Rep. Porter Questions McKinsey's Global Managing Partner

mr sternfelds to be clear is your position that manufacture that that mckinsey is your position that mckinsey working for both the fda and opioid manufacturers at the same time um did not create a conflict of interest is that your position that is my that is my position to be clear okay i appreciate your clarity um let's look at what mckinsey employees told pharmaceutical companies mckinsey consultants bragged to opioid maker purdue pharma that their fda work quote improved purdue's ability to influence the regulatory environment that's a mckinsey statement quote mckenzie's fda work improve will improve purdue's ability to influence the regulatory environment mckinsey worked for purdue at the same time it was working for the fda mr sternville's should mackenzie have disclosed to the fda that it was helping opioid manufacturers influence drug safety regulations uh i'll start with with um with your direct question which is we don't do our work at the fda at the same time working with pharmaceutical companies including opioids as a conflict because the topics were different okay what i know you say that that um you worked on i read the your testimony and all of the information here you worked on broad systemic issues is your claim but are you suggesting that working on things like the design on organizational structure staffing resource allocation building the bones of a drug safety system doesn't affect how those regulations actually get enforced against an entity like purdue i mean if if your work for fda was so important didn't it have some influence on what they actually did in the world with regard to drug manufacturers no it didn't congresswoman um it may be so you charged the government to not do important work i didn't say that the work wasn't important i said that it didn't actually influence their decision with respect to pharmaceutical companies or aids in particular it may be worth for the the committee understanding in a bit more detail what actually we did with the fda this is the kind of work that mckinsey and company performed for the fda it was implementing technology solutions so that we could have repeatable process it was taking paper out of processes that had too much paper it was putting in visibility and performance management as to where people were allocated so that fda employees could actually be more productive to act to help save taxpayer money these are the kind of aspects we didn't design the processes we didn't actually set policy we made some of these core processes more efficient and effective to make the fda more efficient in effect well mr stern fellows is shouldn't the fda have been allowed to make its own decision about whether or not your company's work for purdue did or did not create a conflict why should you and your company be the decision maker here who made you conflict of interest czar for the united states government or not the conflict of interest are okay so let me ask you did you disclose to the fda your mckinsey's work at the same time did you disclose to the fda that mckinsey was working at the same time it was working for the fda that it was working for purdue did you disclose that to the fda we made clear in multiple instances that the individuals involved had experience in both pharmaceuticals and opioids claiming my time mr sternfeld they didn't have experience they were the identical humans working for both at the same time did you tell the fda did you make these disclosures and then allow the government to decide if there was a conflict of interest when we assessed the work pro the work request from the fda we brought professionals our legal team our dedicated government team to understand first is there a conflict of interest um we verified that the work was different we're claiming my time mr sternfelds that is you putting yourself as the czar of conflicts look your scheme worked really well for mckinsey mckinsey got contracts purdue got rich and america got addicted since 2008 mckinsey earned 140 million dollars in contracts from the fda and you did not ever disclose your work for purdue you did not disclose your conflicts of interest so my question for you is since you didn't disclose the conflicts of interest will you return the 140 million dollars to the fda i'll point you to the fda statement as recently as yesterday where they highlight that our work was not related to opioids of the pharmaceutical industry whatsoever the gentlelady's time has expired i now recognize the gentleman from kentucky mr comer he's recognized for 5

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Published: Wed Apr 27 2022