REAL Armstrong Foil Clinic

so hey thanks a lot for coming guys and I'm stoked to be here it's been awesome Matt's showing us around the spit or the island or what have you guys cool yeah and it's been yeah we've had a great time yesterday we had a good session down on the point every morning out here a couple of kite sessions out the back so now it's a good spot and hope you guys are enjoying it I think the easiest way to talk about is I'm just gonna put a kit together and go through each of the parts and explain them as we go and why we do it the way we do it should I talk a little bit about the brain first yeah just do a brand overview like you know when I first you know Armstrong is just coming the states in the last you know few months Kevin's been riding it for what a year or so two and a half years and he's like newsy you got to ride this stuff knows he got ride this note hey you gotta write this stuff and I was like I know Kevin it looks good tell me more tell me more and then we got on board this the spring and you know now that I'm riding the equipment it's like blown away it's like I use this stuff all the time it's sick anyone that we're putting on is like whoa okay that's pretty crazy so it's new to us but obviously foiling is not new to you so a little history about yourself and the brand and how you got here yeah so well I grew up sailing around the world with my family so I come from a boatbuilding background and when you're in the ocean you really rely on your gear so I'm quite particular about gear that lasts and does the job it's supposed to do and then we got into foiling I guess six years ago just as a sport to do through kiting initially and a bit of tow foiling and everything we rode broke pretty much I'm kind of a thresher on gear I like to go hard and just everything was just flying apart and luckily at the time ozone had moved to Raglan and Robby Whittle who's the head kite designer was living in Raglan and we kind of hooked up his mates and we just started rumbling away with stuff and I was fixing all the rigs we were using cuz I was building boards at the time as well and we just but we fixed the rigs and like let's make some wings and the wings worked great and so okay let's sit down and actually make a rig that doesn't fall apart there's where we started nice and I think you know five years later we're just about there right yeah only took five years to get there right pretty much yeah no that's pretty awesome and so you know with your equipment I know you've called it future-proof you know and it's like you know so what does that mean future-proof like yes so the reason why we've chosen the materials we've chosen and the shapes and the design is so that when someone buys a kit the system isn't going to change because it's gonna last and it's going to fit all of the wings that we come out with in the future and that's kind of part of investing in the brand so in you know two or three years time like three years ago when our first production item well this particular system came out those guys who bought our first rigs all the new wings right now we're bringing out will fit on their system and away they go right that's the biggest fear you know a lot of people I mean we've seen we've seen just in our experience with the kite we've been kite falling for maybe five or six years it's like every year different stuffs coming out and the Brent you know it's not compatible with the last year stuff so it's like you kind of have to buy a new foil all the time and which a lot of times the price levels are lower but you're spending way more because you keep replacing a complete foil yeah you know whereas yours it seems like the mass and if you slosh is if that's it like you know it's not changing you know it's gonna last so we can stop pulling looking all the gear in a minute but yeah so each part we've worked really hard so that the material for each part is the best material for that job that it does so it's gonna last it's gonna perform at its best and yeah you can you buy it you invest in a kit and you start with one of the wings and if you want to get into flat water stuff or you want to into bigger waves you just get another wing it's gonna fit and it's gonna last zero corrosion or wet stuff so it's just that putting a kit deal it out so I stick one you are a little all the kits off I see they come in bags and all that hoo-ha that's one of the things too it's like this kit bag is insane it has like your instructions right on the inside like how he you know first time I open this plastic zippers like you know just basic stuff like this thing's been rotting in the back of my car all summer I use it every day everything has a cover you know like it's just an reason so it's not just designed to pack in a box and ship it's designed for you to put your put your stuff in and travel with you know so because that I do a lot of that so I want to bag that the whole kit is designed that you can check it just as it comes so yeah and I mean I've got like three wings of mine it's like it's awesome man yeah and we've got the bigger bag for if you get the biggest wing with multiple wings then yeah we've got bigger bags whatever so the first thing is our t-nut system and the hardware this is all proprietary titanium and the fittings we are using three one six owl stainless and the screws now the reason we do that is throughout the whole kit with the t30 torx that's the same tool for everything the reason we use that are the materials that way around is that the titanium and a large diameter with a thread in it is really really solid and the stainless and the screw when it beads into that thread it's things a little softer so when that thread beads in it's just like a perfect connection no grease no corrosion all good but you don't actually really want to use titanium screws because the screws need to have a bit of give because they got loading and all that sort of stuff and the stainless has good whereas titanium and a small diameter like a screw can snap mmm and if you start going up to bigger diameters and you've got to make everything bigger that's why we've stuck with the m6 and we've redesigned even our screws we've got a little shank a three mil shank right so all our screw is a proprietary we've redesigned the screws bruiser you'd have like a stamp in there it's like dude you got like stamp your logo in the screws crazy because we've redesigned the screw right so we use that the small screw with a beefed up head yeah so that's the screw in the t-nuts there titanium as well so these things obviously gone in this and there's tracks of the board we have got a total mass for the windsurf guys or the Tuttle SAP die hats which you know it seems like models kind of like at first it was like there with the foil like sir piling but then it fades away because you want to be able move your master I'm like I kind of move the mask quite a bit you know depending on the type of session and you know it's like you know how the total seemed kind of limiting yeah I mean the total definitely has its place the one set of guys are sticking to it and that's because there's so many boards when surfboards worth title right and you can make if you really know what you're doing you can make a board slightly lighter with a total right but it's having having the adjustment is massive essentially different writer sizes and different wings yeah when you turn that when you get into understanding what it doesn't it's pretty easy we've got on our boards - left and plus left early so I'll hold that up so the camera guys can see it at the back but basically the further back on the board you put it less lift so if the waves get a bit bigger we're finding you might want to move you know two or three centimetres back on the mass when the waves get bigger and you don't pop the wing out so much and then obviously if you want more pump or more lift you move it forward so that's that's the reason for the tracks and it's a bit of simplicity as well being out of you know take the thing on and off turtles are tricky to get all the screws to line up all the time but one so if guys love it so yeah so next fit I saw on our instructions we've got a list of the order of putting stuff together so mast one-piece carbon mast with a plate top the reason we've got this kind of fitting I'll talk about this a bit more with the fuse is that if you look at boat design mmm every driveshaft on every container ship effectively is this sort of shape you've got a bracket coming off the boat with basically that holding the drive shaft on a ship so that's been tested and proven for quite a long time and so when we looked at the design of the whole system we looked a lot of boat design and we just thought okay that works let's look at adapting that to a system for the connection point to make it really solid so that's that's the mast they're all tapered so stiffer and grunt at the top because that's where you need it to be really locked in because that's your control over the wing and then it tapers down because you want your to turn you want the least fun down here yeah you obviously want it to still be solid enough so there's a balance there is there flex for the whole thing I mean is there step through the whole thing flex or what's the it is stiff but it does have Rick the Flex and that's the material so what goes on inside our mast is pretty high-tech in terms of the layout we've got basically a quad see section of 45 degree carbon running the length of the mast and we can go through that and the website it's kind of technical but what it delivers is a consistent reactive flex that it's a bit a surfboard when it's a really nice surfboard you lean into your bottom turn it gives you back a consistent pop to get to the top 10 it's kind of the same with a foil mast it it'll flip any muscle flex but if you have the right layout it'll come back to that center spot you know where it's always flex is one way but then it comes back strap is also going both sides so like I'm gonna mass is gonna kind of do this right or just kind of feel I mean if you the best thing for aluminum to really feel is grab a paddle and go for a paddle with the aluminium paddle or a carbon paddle and it's like is there a difference well I'll leave that up to you guys this step here flex here so right yeah go exactly so I've been with the washers if you get them all in the board the whole idea is you can slip them on to the end we do have these in a hole and the washer is bi-directional so you can spin it around if you want to gain an extra 20 ml travel forward and backward so that's the gist of it so if you slip them on sideways and they'll just spin around there's a little lug in the washer that locks it in there so that's all positioned and then you can adjust your mass to wherever you want it let's just throw it in the middle for now then we'll do it up we do provide a couple of tools when when you get your kit so you get a hand tool like the normal screwdriver type tool we also provide a bit that you can put in a drill for making it quicker or your ratchet screwdriver or however you want to do it I mean you whine these things up where are you recommending as different boards like you know for your average rider if you have like a number spot like hate start with your mass you know in the center you know get a lot of that question a ton is like where do I place the mass in the tracks like you know for your boards do you have like hey you know like start at number 3 or 4 something like that and in tune from there what do you recommend in people yeah so generally you'd start in the middle and if you are finding it's popping out of the water too much or a bucking then you'd move it back a bit yeah if you're finding it you want to get more pumping your your your a bit better skill that the sport or more advanced and you'd move it forward so generally the rule of thumb is if you're starting out put it at the back that gives you the least lift and there's a bit more forgiving the board in front of you when you want to get max performance out of the rig move it all the way forward that's pretty much it cool that and the middle and go down there see what I'm changing I'm like changing it like a centimeter at a time like yeah well like what you know like half a centimeter son remember it really you definitely can notice a difference here is in one centimeter increments and one centimeter will make a difference it sits here because it does a couple of things mostly it sets your foot position on the board hmm so we'll talk about the tail pitch angle in a minute because that is a slightly different thing but it relates right okay so mix there's a fuselage so we've got a bunch of different lengths of fuselage generally people are using the 60 or the 70 the 60 is for guys who are looking to get more reactive turns in their rig the 70 is more for getting into it or for again Stephanie this is a 60 where you also have a 50 coming out which arm is just being released at the moment and that's for the guys that really want to rip tunes or not things it's it's super reactive it just basically it's a leverage point so when you got the wind the tails closer there's less there you go bond there's less which resistance from the tail for the turn so the fuselage talking about the materials again the core is and just let me know if it's all getting a bit too boring guys but anyway I can talk about this all day the core is titanium and that's inside solid carbon tube and then I fitted hex fitting at the front now the reason we've used the titanium rod that goes all the way to the front is that the threads like we said before zero corrosion right and it's just the fit between the three one six hour screws and the titanium is just basically a perfect fit with the threads and the whole concept with this design is that it's not going to fall apart so all the wings are coming in the future will fit and it will last so you can really put it together so instead of buying a whole nother foil in a year or twos time you just need to buy some bits and pieces yes I put my foil together and like last time I took apart was in June yes like two months together yeah and I just took it apart last week the screws were still tight and but they you know like they I didn't tighten them at all all summer they're still like locked in there tight but I could easily you know with the hand driver like pop them off no problem yeah and that's the stainless into the typewriter just was like I couldn't believe like I didn't mess with the screws all summer one they were solid but they also came apart no problem like that's like any other oil on the market would have been seized together yeah well it's just the engineering I mean the stainless into the titanium just like hisses even if I take mine apart after one session the screws click when you undo them it's almost like you're tighter than right yeah like the other part there definitely right there's solid in there they just beat it in and I like anything like if you do you know three to screw or break a screw or whatever these are really easy to replace and you can drill it out and pop it out it's really hard to mess up the titanium threads like right that's you know straighter yeah it's it's hey anything you can break something but it's very hard harder to do than pretty much anything yes so yeah in terms of lining this up it is a really snug fitting and it's designed to be snug obviously because you want this rig to be solid so to line up your fuselage and your screw holes you just pop your tool in here and just wiggle it so that the skirts are all straight because I get a bit of leverage point but between the mast and the fuse then you pop your screws and just a little side note I'm just going to recap really briefly they come shipped with one screw in the front and that's to prevent damage and shipping and so you bang it in and you pull this one screw out and you put it in your mouth so that's that's the reason why they come with a screw and the fuse then which accompany all screws in there the next step on the instruction lists and it you don't have to put it together in this order necessarily but it just makes it easier so there's a bus motels tractor thing on the board first put the fuselage in and then you can put your front move on and then taking it off again it's the same thing in Reverse because much easier to get the wing off when the fuse is still in here right on and off so bring in here and some of them can be a little more snug than others just due to temperature variations and things that so it is a generally a reasonably snug fit so same again if the screw holes aren't perfectly lining up you just get your tool in there I kind of Jack that insert of a fuselage or anything no because there's you've got five mil of carbon right before you get to the titanium through it so the carbon it's got a tolerance on the screw so that's all good then you whack your screws in there it's any other questions while we're putting screws in looking good there to keep assembling pit crew sure we'll do whites and we'd always seen a couple of spare screws as well with the kit just because nothing worse than losing a screw and hanging out again in the water so then what you'll see on all of our instructions is that once you've got that this far assembled you check the thing on the side so and this on this table it might be a little tricky matter if you just hold that so it's sitting on the ground you've got it on the side then you get your tail bits so we'll talk about those next so we can if we can pass some stuff around than a minute so it makes it also nice actually we can all the wash that thing around while we're then you guys can have a look at that so that's a fuse all the wings come with covers the mask comes with cover tail when comes to cover so it's like you know like yeah when you get the kit it's like fully complete with all this stuff you need and the covers are also designed to have on while you well I always check mine on the roof of my car if I'm I like to leave my whole rig set up I don't pull it apart I just check the ball on the roof of the car foil up and the covers are designed to be on foil while you're driving so that's I'll talk about it in the end so with the tail wing we've got a couple of different angles I'm just going to go through really quickly putting it on and then I can talk about the different churches and why and what sort of stuff so when the rigs on its side you get your screws and one of the things that made a comment of is we do have two different length screws so we do have two different length screws we use in the tail you can actually use that or the 22 front or back it doesn't really matter yeah I invited Doug army on the review online immediately call it called me and said hey mate you can use the 20 in either but I was like there one there's a 20 yeah 22 l so we do we do with space and you can use either but to fill the thread in the tail wing it's 20 because the tail wing when the section is thicker at the front than the back so you know it's up to you really but when it's on its side the screws go on and they don't fall out that's why we say do it that way then a trim fairing this thing is also titanium I'll pass one of these around so this is zero corrosion and it sets the pitch on the tail wing which trims your foot position relative to the mast and we'll talk about what you know the why we do what that does be you lied in a sec we'll just check this thing on so when it's on its side you can squeeze out of all access all the bits and it's just a little bit easier I mean you I've seen plenty of people do it you know up this way around which you can do but the screw it's just a bit trickier so yeah that's the rig together I guess let's start talking about the pitch on the tail wing sing as we've got the tail in here so a wing it pretty much any wing depending on its exact shape generates lift at all the way up to negative two degrees so at negative two degrees my plus and minus a little bit most wings are neutrally lifting so when you're in a plane and you're flying along when you start you know basically you going from one destination to the other and you get to the top and you start gliding basically down to the next spot because they're saving fuel you're the plane pitches forward and they throttle off the engines and everything kind of goes quiet and what you'll find is they've dropped the the front of the plane will actually be pointing down up a little bit and the wings will be at about zero and you're just kind of gliding so with the tail wing that's generating force that way so the section on the tail is is upside down relative to a front wing and that's counteracting the drag on the rig so I mean I'll go a little bit into this I might just get boring for some but basically when your your standing way up here this is the fundamental difference between a plane and a foil so you're standing way up here whereas on a plane the wing dihedral coming out and the mass is below the wing so there's that's the biggest difference so you're standing way up here and you're moving along and there is drag you know on this on the rig no matter how fast the foil you've got so the tail wing with a stabilizer is basically counteracting the force of the drag which pushes the front of the board down so the tail wing is pushing down which keeps your level now there's another sort of side effect that that has so the more downforce the tail has the more stable the rig feels because it wants to go straighter because there's more drag back here but the slower it makes it feel so when you're beginning you want plenty drag back here because it makes it more directionally stable especially in there you're and that's what misses most people up when they're on up on the oil so more tail pitch slower more stable now what it also does is a couple other things going on take a breather you're doing well so what it also does is it moves you move you forward relative to the mass because more tail perch more down pressure so more left so that's moving you forward on the board so for a beginner that's the ideal setup all good and you'll end up putting the mast at the back of the board when you start progressing you want to go to a zero or what we have a plus one and this rig at the moment so when you're when you're more advanced you don't need all of that drag from the tail to keep the rig straight you actually want to loosen the board up and do your turns and stuff so you'll end up moving the mast forward less tail pitch and what that does that puts your foot behind the mast so you've then got more leverage from your foot to the mast because you've got to leave a point here and you can throw the thing around so if you watch Kai for example when he's pretty much in all those videos his foot will be a decent amount behind the mast because he's got a small tail that's trimmed really flat that's pretty much the tail trim any questions on that yep yeah a little bit there is a couple of rigs where it's a single wing like a flying wing type arrangement that's got tons of dihedral and it does have that particular one that's that people are using at the moment has quite a it's got a small it is actually almost a tail a little attachment that's on part of the wing hear that flex up the other way that is doing that same job the pluses and the minuses maybe maybe there's a place for it and it might be quite a loose fun feeling thing probably making it harder than it needs to be in a lot of ways I mean foiling has been around for a long time it just hasn't been very easy to do so all of the advances really in the last five years is about making it more accessible for people to do it to grow the sport and get out there and enjoy what we love to do and getting out on the water and have fun yeah maybe there's a place for it we'll see time will tell oh no yeah absolutely it seems like with your setup it's only you only like I've used all the different wings you've got and I'm still using just the one telling saying you know like zero degree shame they came with like what's the you know how do you pull that off of one wing in it and I don't have to move the mass like twenty-four hundred twelve hundred like I'm massed at the same spot same telling same sham like and it feels totally balanced particularly going to that huge twenty four hundred like most of those big wings I've just gotten off won't get to the wings in a minute but like how do you do that with just same the same twit telling maybe you're just quite good yeah everyone this room will tell you that's not the truth I mean the balance I'm really lucky to work with Rob Whittle so Robbie grew up flying hand gliders with his dad in England basically since he was a nipper running around you know squawking in the grass right and his dad was like and as all their mates were super super keen hang glider pilots and Rob ended up becoming world champion hang glider pilot not surprisingly and designing hang gliders for forever and then got into paragliding and set up ozone with the guys and now kite design all that stuff so he's spent his life developing sport wings right so he knows a thing or two about what makes wings work right so we sat down and said okay let's make a system that is not going to break and that is easy and fun to ride so all of the little features that combine make it as stable as we can and and for sure there's going to be improvements in the future mostly in the wings and other setups but the pitch that you set it on that the shape of the section of the front wing relative to the back wing and the distances and all that stuff there's really small differences make quite a big difference to that so it's yeah I know you need to talk to rob a bit more on that one you did a better job with there with water flow he's kind of the brains behind that in a lot of ways you know I'm kind of like let's really be particular about the materials and make something that's gonna last in terms of the foil sections and the balance I don't know he seems I mean quite wise and wing wise they've they've won plenty of gongs with their you know paragliders and Hangul I mean your paragliding world champion hang gliding world champion right you know I think he knows what he's doing so when it comes what makes a wing balanced yeah you need to talk to him true what you're saying about stability too I mean this is like you know one of the main things I noticed going to this rig you know and I'm riding the 1200 most of the time it's just crazy stable I'm kiting it I'm surfing it and it's like so much more stable particularly through like you know whitewater like we were going through that section to know the sandbar was just like you know any other foil like you would have just done you like ejected where's that thing like yeah you feel it but it just go through it feels like shock absorbers yeah and that is Rob section so the section that we're using took in the front wing is a section that Rob developed we developed at Akira but it was based on a section that had developed from you know the hang glider and paragliding and kiting days and then we modified it with some hydrofoil ideas and and tested like a ton of testing over quite a long period of time and then came to that section so that's pretty much so the section is a few if you cut that wing that way or the or the organic shape of the section of the wing so when you come to the left and a wing basically the lift is defined by the area multiplied by the coefficient of lift which is effectively the section of the wing and the velocity squared so those are the those are the factors that are involved in the lift characteristics of a wing velocity so basically both three squared means that velocity is probably the biggest determining factor of what size when you want to use so if you're in a bigger way if you need to use away from all the wings small the way of way by going and they're quite big steps between them right and then the area well that's you can you know define there and then the coefficient of lift which is the shape of the wing right so got it and that's right when you get into the science I know you guys are doing this when you get into the science that there's books and numbers and I leave that to him cool like it should we talked about the other wing range yeah let's go over the wings yeah switch that's really cool so what we've put on here is the 1200 this is what Matt generally will be surfing on the swing on the 72 mast is pretty much set up as the surf rig that's that's what we targeted that out and it does that job interestingly enough like I made the 800 ring so that's our our current smaller wing as a kite wing and the guys love towing this actually up to about 10 or 15 foot because it's just super reactive and has stability also with a really big speed range and that's Rob section again but this particular wing now the kite guys seem to be loving it I love it and I'm like I find this one a little bit slowed myself a kite sometimes but everyone's going I want to ride this because they just want to cruise and a lot of I guess that's because a lot of the foiling from you know the last few years has come from a race background brush is very different concept you want to be going fast at all costs whereas this thing is all about it's a carving freeride 1200 the CF 1200 sounds having free ride this fling series and it's about a real surf feeling no it's trying to give you a sip feeling on a foil so maybe yeah it's like for the car any whales man like you know for kite foiling it's super easy whose kite foil this setup anyone yeah yeah I mean it's like just super super easy yeah so it kind of feels like a sip what I need so can you come back to the 800 per second yeah what's up with the shape man it looks so different like this is totally different than that yeah so the big anhedral inflikted tips here is all about that's against stability right so this is like a fender and it's the same with the big tips on the tail this tail is all about stability and making it as fun and easy as possible because let's try and grow in the sport right so this wing we were doing a different job so we wanted it to work as a kite wing but also in waves and be looser rail-to-rail so this gives you a slightly more locking feeling on a kite you really feel that it's like so solid yeah you know when you let go the kite then you want that stability because when you're not holding a kite surf falling it's a little bit harder than quite falling as we all know this thing on the other hand was more thrown at the kite and you know more advanced surfer guys and bigger waves so we wanted it to be out of rock rail-to-rail faster and more easily and we've got this massive anhedral curve in the middle because it does two things it first of all when you hit a turbulent bit of whitewater and the whole wing is not hitting that same bit of turbulence at the same variable so you might have an air bubble here but down here it's a different bit of turbulence so you don't get a full drop out on the whole wing you're only getting different levels of turbulence evens out that flow Plus that curve combined with your section give you more lift for the area so it gives it a lower speed range that it will fly in yeah I just know even in choppy conditions like super choppy conditions like this thing just like motors through it you know you're just like hammering through and why and that's why the guys like tow surfing it because they know if they go into some boils or some air bubbles from the wave in front you're not going to drop out and eat with a 24 yeah yeah that's a good thing cool yeah Chris some of the of running some pretty big waves on that wing then we've got our 1600 which is on this route we feel like that definitely doesn't pump as well as a 1200 for sure so that one was never intended as a pumping wing and actually the anhedral curve does help a little with but with that but it's also just the area I mean 800 square cm you've got to be a pretty small light guy to pump along that size I mean there are people that can do it but it ain't me and it ain't most people so that that's for hiding or away with more energy yeah I feel like if these other Wings pump fine I've seen a few wings that have like winglets are now coming up what's the point of that is there a reason to do that or it does a very similar job to this yes yeah I think it's just why I personally think that's harder to make all right I'm consistently and it's easy curbs are more expensive to design but they're I think they look prettier and they're nicer to manufacture if you have angles it starts getting tricky to get all your finishing but is there like a benefit to having the wing come up versus down or very sometimes very similar thing right yeah if you want to get into the technicalities of it you could probably talk to a buffin but really it's pretty much the same yourself for the video because yeah so for me for kiting I actually like the 800 because it's faster and it's still got plenty of bottom end I mean the 1200 is fun if it's super light wind so for example out here the other day it was I don't know eight miles an hour and I'm whatever it was super light we went out for a quick session and we actually took a 1600 out because it was so light but generally if there's enough winds it to you know be a little bit powered up like at the point yesterday we were on the 800 there you know cuz you just got more speed around you got a bit more top end yeah that's a bit looser you know so like most of time you see people where I'd through whitewater you're constantly moving adjusting these guys I mean they're you know advanced surf kite Foilers but they were just like cooking right through the whitewater like no no I think I hate pretty well a couple good job with that tail yeah oh yeah well when you say that for the under wing you get your free lightweight right you'll bring jeez I've seen people pump or all of these wings and plenty of other wings as well let a lot of people can't pump so I don't know if there's an actual weight range it comes down to skill and skill and weight but yeah it's kind of like once you start getting over 150 pounds then you need bigger wings you know generally for further pomp got 16 yeah so just the wing range so 800 1200 1600 this wing generally is what people will be getting into the surf on on a SUP to star worth or small waves on a small board I'm getting into it and this section it is actually the same section as this it's just beefed up a lot thicker which is all about stability at low speeds so it does generate more drag but it actually makes the thing not take off so fast on a way if limits at speed and gives it more bottom in lift so you get on the foil on a small wave at low speed again all about making it as easy as possible and growing the sport Plus this one has it that same massive anhedral curve which again just makes it more stable at low speed so you got heaps of your stability this way this tip drag back here is what makes it more stable so it's not designed this is not designed to be the fastest wing in the world it's designed to make it easier and grow the sport notice to like you know I learned a pump on the 1600 and you get it towards the surface and you hear it kind of gurgle and it's most times once the oil like anyone's boiled you hear the thing gargle like it's gonna hit the air and you're going down we're just saying gargles and it pops right down below the water surface and you stay I was like okay I just got lucky on that one until it happened consistently it was like man this thing is doing its job yeah and that's that's that section combined with that merica it is slower but it's also like really easy and balanced you know again a lot of bigger wings that I've used was we're just like you know that's the 70 fuse on this I then I can see but that's so the 1600 kids is coming with the 70 is the only kid that's coming with a 70 centimeter fuselage you know so when you drop on that wing back there that's giving you a lot more stability but it's it's making your turning radius larger right yeah and you can actually mix any of the kits out right so the parts all modular you could you can order this wing with a short fuse a large or a lot of mass or whatever I mean right you know so dad your kids as you designed them that you know really the only difference was the 1600 comes with a 70 fuselage and the 800 comes with the 85 cent of your mass and the purpose of that is that a lot of times - 800 you're kiting or yeah telling with it yeah - on a wing for under in that in that wing is there foam in the wing yeah yeah so the wings do have foam core for sure or else they would weigh an absolute ton so the lamp we've got a bunch of different things going on inside the layout but we have stringers in there and we've got foam and you know how to insert the ends PVC and all sorts of stuff if I can talk about it laughs uh but if you want to hear about that you're like having folks wing helps you stay up it does give you way more pedal when you're lying on a board pedaling around like even changing up to one wing size to another having maybe half a liter more volume in a wing just gives you more pedal power on your board yeah exactly exactly so you can generally use less leaders and the more like it's so funny like this 311 I turn up to Hawaii on a photo shoot a few months ago with this board which is why I use this to kite on and I'm not gonna be out of paddle us in lying down I'm not gonna pretend I'm that good but it's the same 25 litres 311 by 19 and the guys surfing the North Shore of why we're like yeah I love the board it's just too big and you're writing 19 leader boards but then write two or three leaders on their wings so they're up to 20 to 23 leaders and that's what they serve 24 litre surfboards right but they're a little bit better than me no yeah there you go so yeah then we've got moving up the wing range yeah with some of these wings - Austin is like you know like the 1624 like you put it in the water and the it just sits there it doesn't like swing underneath there's no kind of weight to it to drop it down so like actually get the wing underwater you kind of move it forward and push down to like get the wing to go down like it doesn't just like you know like a lot of the heavier like aluminum setups like you they just drop like an ax you know straight down where is this one actually it actually floats as opposed yeah yeah so just sits on the side which is nice for kiting and stuff because you can just turn the boy like strapless you turn the board on the side put your feet on it so it's a little more natural like a surfboard you know and then the 24-hundred we made as you know the easiest you know thing we could make to get to basically greater mark and get people real low speed to go I use this in waves up to about shoulder high because I can pump this thing around and get like just plenty laps you know so and then down wounding it does make it a lot it's just super stable and easier that's right it's so wide like that was I took it on surf and I'm gonna thank Ryan - it was like holy like I couldn't believe how compared with this thing you know that you could actually that had speed and that you know something you're not hold it on top of that and they'll be at a see back there so that's the 1200 underneath and the 2400 on top so that thing's massive and it's what it still goes I mean it's definitely not great but it's also like you know I saw you ripped the thing around I'm just not used to it you know it's like compared to the 1200 like that turns real quick and sporty but it's so stable and balanced like it seems like the wingspan gives you a lot more balance from side to side this thing's got just under a meter of wingspan so pretty much a meter so it's it's about stability trying to make it as easy as possible grow the sport because that's good for us it grows a sport and it's good for everyone having more fun so it's up of the stripes there's like shark repellent or something yeah so the strike actually there's a really funny story with the stripes I was coming back from a trip to a production facility you know and through an airport and I met this really cool girl who was moving to New Zealand to do an art major and she was doing a master's and out at Auckland uni and she was from Columbia and we got talking I ended up helping her find her the place she was trying to stay because she was kind of first time and all the stuff like that and she was ended up she's she was actually quite a famous tambien artist and I was wanted to do some sort of stripe pattern because of the there is science with the shark repellent song stripes and so I gave her an outline of the foils and said draw me up something and she drew up this tape and pattern so that's all came from looks good so it is shark repellent but also just because it looks cool too yeah that's right yeah so there there is science behind the the white stripes apparently the sharks can't quite tell how many objects it is whether it's one thing or a school of fish right so and that definitely is science where sharks will swim away from stripe stuff and right when we started this you know there were a couple of hits on foils so I was like okay well let's have a play with that idea and then I made this girl and she drew that and we're like yeah rob was like that's cool we're gonna put that on everything I'm like nice so now it's on our boards and the whole lot cool that's those wings any other questions to start with then we can get into some other stuff maybe or it's all about the boards how can we adjust the tail pitch sure so we have we have at the moment on the market we have three tail pitch angles which is adjusted by this titanium trim fearing that we put on when we set the tail so we have a minus two which is the most pitch the most lift and the most stable but also more drag and slower so then we have the zero which is generally what will ship with and that's all round will work great for most people like that was saying that's all he's been using the plus one neutralizes the lift and drag the tail is giving so it's a little bit faster less lift and more reactive and it moves your foot back on the board so that you have more leverage from your foot to the mass which means you can throw the turns a bit harder so potentially more pump power but more turning power mostly and also less because you've got less lift from the tail is Drive from the tail less inertia to pop the wing out when you're taking a drop and getting a speed spike that's sort of seen in eyes like you know it start getting a little steeper you're like oh yeah the negative one yeah telling and you're not gonna get launched out yeah like you saw me do a few times tonight on takeoff it's right so I'm taking drops is taking drops is hard on a foil so yeah differently less tail user love it I find that the longer fuse gives you more pump for sure but you sacrifice the turn radius you know yeah so it depends what you're doing if I'm down wounding I for sure go for the 70s because you just down morning you've got to connect the bumps you know it's all about staying up on the wing if I'm in the surf I'll always surf for 60 because if I don't make it back out for a second or third wave I'm not to phase like impale back out so it just depends what your session what your what your yeah yeah fifteenth of shortest that's generally only like carding or real rippers on small boards well it will ever use that pretty much so I know a little bigger mass but for for surfing people if I do cool so um I think the 72 mass which is this one we designed as a surf mast for people getting going if you're starting out you can go to the 64 sure that's possibly a better place to start I don't really like riding the really short masts because you just don't have a lot of leeway for pop and the wing but if you're in a really shallow water spot or really you know school type level then definitely the shore masters good yeah and we have I mean we've got a the 60 we've just actually run out of stock but we are going to do a holding you back to 60s 72 is our main surf mast 85 is the main kite mass but you can do either on both and then we've got 95 so we're gonna make a new 100 that's going to be our new long mast but we actually have we've got a hundred and ten but we just never really sold many of those because the only people really using a hundred and ten masts were the kite race guys and our gear isn't really riskier so we're changing 110 to a hundred which is kind of the high performance like guys and the big wave toe guys want to want that mast the most people are riding kiting the eighty-five you know just so you can bury the wing a little further from the surface and you don't pop out like inadvertently you know it gives you way more leeway in your turns to not popular when you can crank the thing over hop in that being said around here all summer long I've been kiting in surfing the 72 works awesome you know if it gets real heavy chop I just got to make sure that I'm you know paying attention and not so you don't pop out you know but like for traveling this winter if I'm going to really choppy places that I know and be cutting it's definitely nice to bury the wing underneath the surface chop so yeah we can go over the board over the boards real quick yeah good yes a couple of parts of the question how thick is the show have you broken through from eating grief or anything and will it soak water if you do notice other wings probably get cracks and I made soaked up if you I mean this our particular lay up we've got the the whole foam core wrapped with multiple layers it's actually 1.8 million it's pressed but it's about 20 layers around the leading edge and it gets you know really well compressed but they all wrap around so there isn't actually a seam at the front edge of the the fibers the fibers run all the way around so you can whack into a reef Kevin will attest he's at the reef pretty hard if you do like a head of reef and put a hole in your wing just like a surfboard fix it you know you don't want holes in your wing yeah but a lot of the wings that we've seen split are not wrapped with 20 layers we're on the leading edge so I mean not like you know that I think that's one of the main differences is like you know I mean you're they're putting a ton of you know technology into making sure it's built right so yeah you know anything if you smashed a super heart of the reef is gonna you know like you it's gonna break this is just a lot less susceptible to that type of stuff I mean I dropped mine out of the car hit the bottom a ton of times out here I've hit some definitely hard objects and you know very little very little damage to it you know we've we've got a year warranty so if you did get a deal and somehow you know we'll just replace it anyway on a wing so yeah going into the boards this is our range 311 for five for 11 and we've got the subsist ones of 511 so what I pedal if I'm supp foiling or for the wings the handheld wings that's kind of the right length we've got six six that we're doing and they're all about to come we'll be releasing those pretty soon but at the moment yeah these are on the market and that's been liking them they've all got foot strap inserts we've got our new foot straps I'm really loving these so these are like a memory foam EBA there's a webbing inside and same again we've got foot straps are crazy comfortable t30 torx screws so it's the same we've we've made our own screw we've made our own titanium washer so zero corrosion is the same tall as the foil and we've just try to keep it really light and simple so we've made them pretty and simple as light as possible and so you can lie on them because I've got team writers in Hawaii that ride with straps I don't even know how they get there feeding them when they pop up but they do and I knew they'd busting little aerials and stuff I mean if it's the style I don't know but it's pretty cool yeah I think it's pretty cool hey there so I mean this foot strap like you know the thing just fully flattens out and it's like the you know even the the little washers are designed so it's like then you know the screws not gonna bite your or anything but they're really soft and cushy and they're adjustable through just changing one you know they're just saying you know a bunch of different holes in there's three holes front back which give us six sizes so that's the whole thing we also have this adjustable tail pads so the tail pads actually on the carbon plate on these boards you can get the normal kick pad and just stick it onto the board and all this one but I'm sure look the carbon plate yeah we'll just grab that one up and have a look that'll be easier to see without the foot strap [Applause] so the whole idea with this adjustable carbon plate it's the same screws that you might put your foot strap in with but if you're not using your foot strap it means that you can put the wedge exactly where you want it and because idea came about because I was watching a bunch of you know some of the good guys riding around with like normal surf tail pads on boards but their foot wasn't on the wedge I'm like and foiling foot position is everything we especially you're taking off and so let's make something where you can put the wedge where it needs to be so when you take off you put your foot there you feel it okay I'm in the right place so different wing different you might move your mouse on the board whatever so you can chew now and set it up so you know your foot is there that's it and you can move that forward and backward with the screws also like the foot wedge is just in the center so when you're you know these boards are a lot shorter and a regular kick tails like twice the size of that and a lot of times just eats your knees like you know because your knees are hitting that goal when you're pedaling around paddling and these like having no wedge on the side it's kind of nice because your knees aren't getting shaped up by the by the kick tail and then now let's tell us a little about the construction of these things in the board design I mean these are pretty wild like there's like a huge deck on them and like yeah yeah so for the deck construction wise we've got a PVC sandwich so you can actually see the PVC I decided to make the bigs clear so we could you know say it is what it is so there's PVC sandwich under the PVC we've got a couple of carbon strips that are over our carbon stringers so we've got a carbon sandwich stringer so I said jewel carbon stringer system which connects right from the back of the box is all the way to your front foot and the reason for that is that a you want the thing to be stuffed there because your levering the foil off that point but also we saw plenty of boards breaking so we've got a dual carbon PVC sandwich stringer all the way through then a whole bunch of construction going back here in the boxes I can talk about in a minute and then the whole board underneath the PVC is wrapped with a which is a really tough cloth and you can see that in the bottom through here the boxes we kept the boxes I mean you can't go better see it we can pass a board around but basically the box is kept with a carbon and Negro carbon sandwich over the box all the way to the slot and that's routed out so these are future boxes and we use the futures because to 70ml which is longer than a standard box so you get more travel but a lot of people are putting futures boxes in like a normal surfboard construction where you sand off the the fiber around the edge of the box and they got a little plastic fan it flange we actually grind that off before we put it on the board so that we kept that fiber all the way to here which is because I've seen so many boards rough out of boards from all sorts of brands so you can actually see the carbon a sandwich over the boxes here you can you guys can pass that thing around have a look so then what's up with the rail shape man the rail shape well is a few things going on there first of all we've looked at a lot of different shapes and generally the chines really help with with pop and the water off the water and for me a concave is all about popping off the water and especially if you've got a bit of speed on and you're up and you skip down it just skips off the water way nicer and we took the concave into the rails as well so that you can hold the board when you're duck diving and stuff so when we had the big China on the rails and we just had it straight it was really hard to hold the board when you're a duck diving or maneuvering in the surf so we put this big concave in here so this part of the rail is like a surfboard so you can grab it basically and in the concave helps it skip off the water too really well for you know having used a bunch of different boards like these things paddle really well for percise you know there's a lot of glide - there's a lot of you know that they're definitely like they come unstuck super easily you know so I definitely like that and then you know when you're getting worked there's you can actually put your hands around the rail so definitely not ready mind if I'm playing crazy man it's like that well that's the stiffness so you got the joke that dual carbon stringer because there's a bunch I mean I can guess you know we're probably gonna do a full tech release on that but we're just not ready to now cuz we don't want to leave now so what we're doing in there but there's there's a lot going on it's there it's actually engineered it's not we haven't just gone at least just put a surfboard box and bored we're trying to engineer everything like I said before so that it lasts and work for people God's there so let's just get into what's coming up next we real quick bore bags you actually make a board bag that works well it's just it's just a board bag that works for foil boards so portable bag yeah all the board's come with bags as well they've got a slot for the young master so that's about it it's a bag yeah today but it works it's nice yeah well and the reason why they're this color is just to reflect the Sun so it's the same with all the bags for all the wings I know gray is a little bit boring and Robbie was always on at me or like we should make them blue and we should make the black and all that stuff and I'm like well they're all about the bag is about when it's on your car in the Sun the stripes actually really help to that the white stopping them cooking the Sun right so carbon can cook so yeah when it's not you know in the water put your bags on and they won't cook cool what's now certain what's next well tell us so we have a new wing we're just putting out so this is going to be HS 1550 which is the 1600 we've had out for a long time so this is effectively if you're wanting a wing that's gives you more pump and is faster it'll do that job we're gonna having a whole HS wing range that's a high speed wind range we've got an HS 6 to 5 and H is 1050 and HS 15 15 its first time we've put that out and that doesn't even know that yet I get work toys but there you go we're putting putting out here we were supposed to be releasing that actually at the Orlando surf expired this week but that's been can because the hurricane durian so yeah here it is so yeah HS 1550 this one met helping us with the name a little bit actually we were playing around with what we're going to call it but that's what it's come down to 1550 square cm and it's got a bit more dihedral and the other wings it's a little finer for its area let me hold up 1600 so you can come yeah you can compare it to the 1600s so the 1600 still has a place it's it's more stable at lower speed more forgiving but for the guys that want a bit more performance there's another wing range and in bang that that's the that's the kind of difference between those ones there so they have a similar feel in some respects but this is just faster a bit more pump and more reactive on the turn significantly more reactive and faster actually so Joey you surf this tonight right you surfer so tell us what what was the what's the Joey's been using the 1200 all summer is reppin he's connecting waves boiling better than all of us so he tried out the 1550 tonight yeah it's really nice swing super stable I think it would be a nice swing for people who were just burning out pumping for the first time kind of toll buggers and I go to because I can turn it and also pump it but for people were just starting to connect their first waves at 1550 okay awesome nice yeah and definitely you know and you know the white market I think this the swings really gonna like be super fun away carbona boat yeah yeah that's kind of the probably the big market just cuz it has ten fifty actually is what you're going to end up meeting so the ten fifty is basically smaller and faster than the 1200 because what we're finding the 1200 is great for guys my size I'm pretty much 200 pounds these days so Brian Finch for example history your life unfortunately it's true no but I Brian Finch he's under 150 pounds so for the world guy he was waiting for 1850 because the 1200 he's found is great he loves a super stable but when the waves got a bit more juice he wants something faster more reactive so that's what that h is 1050 is going to do Krauss nd HS series will be available with this wing is going to be available the next week or so we're basically put the HS six to five a week or so after that but ages 6 through 5 and HS 1050 gonna be on pre-order pretty much when we put this out this so in the next seven days there's gonna be an e G as well no no HS 1550 yeah so we are gonna have more wings as well in the future but we're not putting that right now because you're not ready to go but we're working on a bunch of other stuff too we are gonna have an HS tail as well so a smaller tail wing that goes with those HS the HS 1050 and the HS 65 it's a little flatter and and smaller mostly so there's no reactive more active and looser yeah which you know the guys has been doing it for a year or so you know and I ripping around want that this tail generally is still good for most people in their first year the same with the 1600 for the first year most people it's plenty they don't need to be going faster but after a year when you got your handle on it and yep you're a good sir for a good Carter you want to be gone a bit faster yeah I'm taking off pretty stupid and getting the you know bottom trim pretty quick on that tail it feels just once then our me go back to the 1050 like okay curious how it will fit in comparison to the eight and the 12 with both pumping and turning radius is it like the same shape or is it a whole new design it's definitely pretty size you can see how wings are pretty closely related in shape so it'll have a little bit less pump than the 1200 but it'll be way faster and way more reactive in the turn so it's it's about I mean it's about speed and an energy in a turn that wing really I think a big thing for like the general market beginners in the near medias is what's your one board quiver for kite boarding and and serve boiling tents the thanks the four five yeah that's the four five really with the board and foil I'm saying you're in about one foil one mass one board and you're gonna travel around the world with two kites bill cert foil and kite the board what's your what's yours right here for five and 1272 mass that's it I mean I always travel with 85 mass because I just like yesterday in the surf for example it was you know there was the odd overhead wave and like light wind and a little bit funky on the surface so the 85 was just way more forgiving and when you could do it on the 72 for sure but 85 is just more fun for me so I'd never would not travel without 95 but that's me you know yeah that'll do it for sure now what do you talk like tow surfing with are you on the 95 cheer moved in 95 if we're towing yeah I mean you can tow the 85 fine as well are you connecting you can tell you need them don't worry but generally 95 is is more forget because when you're towing you're normally talking about bigger waves so you're going faster you've got bigger chop you just you just got more time to react before popping the wing so just let's wipeouts on the longer mass but you know it's interesting some guys I know Chris British loves the 85 because you're a bit close through the wing and it's it's a bit more reactive in the surf feel so it depends on rider preference really cool who else any other questions beer and pizza becomes a question brands come out with a small amount of wings and they have like three two maybe three types of kites and then I start to expand their range and then it starts to get a little money yeah trying to sell for sure ocular kite this company because now there's so many options at your heart yeah it's confusing because what you get so now if you're adding the 1550 and you're adding the 1050 yeah like how do you sell that is it's really easy to tell somebody what yeah what the 800 perfect yeah now you're like okay but you've got the 1200 and the 1050 you're like oh they're so okay for each other how do I know the difference so you got we've got the cf1 range which is the carving freeride so the 800 1200 1624 liner so that's carving freeride it's about accessibility making it easy making it fun and there's definitely performance there but it isn't the highest performing you know wing range so the HS 6 2 5 8 is 10 15 ATS 1550 is more about if you want more like performance so you're not going to be selling that to your first time or for even first-year Foilers that's people who have been foiling for probably around a year and are competent and they want something that can rip on the 1200 or so if they want one wing to do all that stuff and it's probably the 1200 if they want a few wings or they're a smaller guy and then it'll be the 1050 one wing the 1200 is by far like better than the 800 because it'll surf better than the hundred and you can still cut it you can cut it high speed you can kinda at low speeds once you become a proficient Euler now you want to go fast and you want to be able to carry a wing that can beckon your go edge to edge really easily the 800 is that wing so now you're saying the 10 hundred is more of like or the 1050 is more like the 1200 just on steroids pretty much basically the 1050 is going to be more for the surf guys who are smaller and want a faster more reactive wing yeah because the 1200 it is great for what it is but it's too stable for those guys that really want to like crack ears off the lip you know that's what we're talking about like really hard snaps and like aggressive I kind of steeper yeah like wave hits and you're gonna want something a little smaller but the 800 just not enough so the 10 second honours not really a surf wing that's your time no it's yeah I'm not what up soon plenty people pedal it and you run but it doesn't really pump so the 1050 will have that that pump crossover that the 800 doesn't have today hundreds more Toa kite and you know the 1050 will have that it's more of a surf the surf waingaya yeah okay for high performance high speed that's so that's why HS is the high speed so that's we're trying to say okay if you're if you're here to advance advance wings ring so yes yeah yeah cool awesome any other questions all right a little foil marker going what's the next iteration Wow who knows but you know the next I think I think the wake markets really gonna grow what's gonna happen next and foiling generally I think people are just gonna start getting really good you know and doing some really cool stuff I mean who knows you could I don't know there are west coast surfers that think a hope that it's all going to by a horrible sound did you kind of see it as something that came up really big and and you saw like a lot of like old-timey Tigers that were like ah I think so cool have you ever tried it and I was a young kid like never tried any why would I ever want to do them like I'm in so hardcore into freestyle yeah that kind of thing and now boiling is gone to the point where everybody's doing it and it'd be it's like it's almost like if you don't know how to foil like now you're the coop yeah well if you look at tonight's session for example so we hit a quick session down on the point arm down the peninsula sand I at what's that's great we're tonight we're asking is great yes so that spotlight honestly on any other gear well you would just be driving home and during you yeah it was like my big this thing like a little boys out and then much bigger into the beach and we were have an epic session like it just allows you to go to the beach and know you're gonna get a session so to me there's no it's not gonna get smaller and then you got you know in Hawaii all the good guys are doing it you know and some of them some of them are hiding but they're all doing it don't worry about that so yeah I mean like this summer is a good example like my friends that are hardcore surfers they surfed two times this summer and you know I think I took 150 foil sessions this summer you know so I mean it's a pretty big difference you know like if you want to get in the water and have fun like you know it just opens the door you know that nehi nehi way side ways we get a lot you know it's been I think you've got so many other avenues you got guys jumping off docks pumping around I got a girl that we sponsor in New Zealand that she can't she can't see if he's never surfed yeah never can she jumps off the dock and pumps around in circles and loves her and she cuz she's a fitness freak she likes running she's alright yeah cardio yeah and jump off the dock and do that for ten minutes right somebody ripping like a huge jaws wave as dungeons in South Africa in Swedish yeah that's the I got her wing on vengeance yeah there's another question back there someone hasn't had one well good bear bait a statement I think it does the same thing for kiting than just free surfing mia me and my crowd the other day was what 13 14 miles an hour manhunt of our life all right right it's just the this fly out here the other night when it was super light and glassy yeah okay that was fun yeah I feel like it's one of the most greatest inventions for accessibility is ever for surfing in general and that's the thing and it's not you like you know Mike Murphy and has made and been in the the edge here and then led bolted that onto a board and they but they were foiling for a long time on tiny wings and big waves going really fast because I want to get above the chopper jaws and stuff but it was super hard to do and those guys are animals like no one's gonna argue lids and those guys are super animals and super good and they were doing it but it was just too hard for everyone and I saw their gear and that slick razor-sharp wings and boots and heavy and all that stuff but they're they're a different level so what has happened you know with the whole reinvention especially again it came through kiting a lot with all the materials and stuff was let's make let's make it easier to do and that's generally what's happened and it the easier it's become the more people get into it and then now it's gone the other way at people are getting good okay now got faster nor less so it's like this a balance but yeah yeah well thank you army thanks coming from New Zealand are yeah thank you guys cool where's the beer

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Published: Tue Sep 10 2019