Rap Radar: Mase

year to check out more versatile a parade of podcasts what they got to do be dies easy signup at title comm backslash on-air for your three month complimentary membership you'll get access to over 48 million songs tons of videos exclusive concert live streams are so much more Mia what's that just can't be right title comm backslash on there yeah yeah parade up podcast Elliott Wilson is beat up beat up what you have baby lot of money with the dots DB told me the labels call we're also doing is super early for people watching like I'm doing a morning show as you spend a day grown up to these labels and picking up a big bag you told me what the Oracle like all of a sudden these labels was just blowing up your phone right yeah and it was amazing cuz I I didn't expect that I wasn't doing it for that I was just doing it to light a flame you know I was dressed some things but I knew it would light a flame and help out yeah sometime when somebody just come from left field stir everybody up and send them back to the booth to really wrap nobody that's interesting I feel like people feel like you know do dis do dis records in a sense working this working this space and this year but yeah to me it's to me it's more than just a diss record right no for me it wasn't a diss record it was a response it was just like my stance or where I'm at yeah yeah yeah I mean I wants to sit down with energy and I think what well I can't wait all feels like not only not only did you have issues what cam said though at the end of the day it also makes you have to address legacy right yeah and how is narrative in the narrative of your career how you look at me and how you approach me I want to change the way people approach me that is not the tree you want to fall on you busy on the mic yeah I mean because I've been I've been nice as long as anybody been nice like I grew up listening to nas nas was my biggest inspiration going up you know you know Method Man ll so I'm a mixture of all of that so anything urban and good I'm used to it it's just I look better sometime dressed up and they can use that way can he really go and I was always taught to be more fearful at a quiet one because then why one is the one you need to watch not to allow people yeah and you said you was murdering me and did he make it pretty when I got the bad boy it was puffs I did it make me a clean artist cuz he said I already got black Rob he's got a I already got biggie he's super gutta you know recipes notorious best rapper ever lived and I'll tell you I'll jump out there and tell you I put myself second but I know people will play kids second you know and I got kissing my top five but you know just out of my own personal as being a man ya betta can you explain how you stirred this up on the internet you saw yesterday even Styles put a freestyle out last night and oh and let me forget let me let me come back a little bit SP I think sometimes people get so focused on kids that they forget about like go extend the gentleman that he is like you know he's one of those guys my favorite too you know because he always comes with that same approach he's been the same way for all the years I've known him you know so shout out to LAX shout outs the Rough Riders cuz before I got song with bad boy hello X took me in I was a part of loh I felt like I used to go to Yonkers every day rap with them there's stuff like that and that story hardly ever get told that's how you got some of the early stuff with me and the locks with vacant lot and stuff like that so Saudi and why they embrace you kiss me put clothes on my back and I'm I'm just in a real humble space where you tell the truth and you just honor those who paid the way for you but is it frustrating like when B dot says you're a top five in that and then sometimes cuz you know we'll get to how you pretty much had to carry the label when big packet with my big dot I carried that label while I kept the lights on it was my pen it was my it was my thoughts and puff would go to the parties and puff out all the baddies you know would just leave me in the studio because he trusted me and DDOT indeed shout out the deed I don't think he'd get enough credit so God want me stew that line over me not me you too hard soften it up you to solve harden it up you know he was just always he DDOT was the individuals right Phil Jackson like a lot of times people get puff the credit but DDOT in that studio was the guy in the studio every night he would let he would listen to my records he was going here he's like you think you spit some and here go let me listen to can I live to my last day you know every time I thought I had a hit he'll take me into a room and I hit biggie song and I was like man gotta come up with some again this crazy and then the next night biggie come in 3:00 in the morning and lay hypnotized and I thought I had someone feels so good every time I would come up with something biggie I would do the daytime biggie we had a studio at nighttime and it was just crazy was there a lot of pressure to put the company on your back after big passed away um no not really cuz you know growing up you look for that moment where you get the opportunity numbers calls like sports yeah like you get the opportunity to show like this is my time to show I'm really as good as anybody else at first when I started writing with four puffs it was an experiment because those were most of the songs of UIC's Kuta a lot of the songs that pop put out originally those first three or two singles they were a part of my demo so can't nobody hold me down yeah which we got and I would pick a different beat and then puff would say no don't do this beat because I had can't nobody hold me down to to the arm original bit unaware now yeah yeah the original speed of that you know what I'm saying and then puff will pick a different beat but that was it was pretty much my concept and then you just said you patent a style it didn't it gave puff to freedom to sort of emulate that style little bits draw inspiration from it to come up with his vocal persona because he became an art he became an artist and people sometimes they they they don't give credit where credit is doing I'm okay with that but if you think about how puff sound with um what was the guy he was rapping with you know that's totally different and that guy was dope - yeah but you helped bring the swag out yeah the swag the bad boy but what's crazy is that in 1997 you know bighead life at the depth and puff comes then you come right yeah you think puff was gonna blow up as big as he was um at first I knew puff had the platform and I knew I had the lyrics so you need it both I wouldn't be Who I am without puff and he wouldn't have been who he was without me yeah so it is equal I had the intellectual property which was the raft he had the money in the marketing and we had an amazing marketing team you know shout out everybody Ariston and all those people they love me from the first day they saw me Claude Davis loved me from the first day he saw me he always said he always told me when I would get into Mason better he said nobody want to see Clark camera people want to see Superman they don't want to see Mason about that they want to see me then see murder that's what they want to see yeah whoever Mason Beth is save that for you your normal life because she always is more used to entertainer - yeah the end of the day yeah so I always remember that because when the first day we had the video feels so good and I was on the set by myself Vegas in Vegas and we had already did all this stuff a puff it was so crazy and nobody showed up to my videos so I'm like where's everybody they're like we're gonna we're gonna send the locks to your video Isis and they're like I want more than just the locks but I love the locks and then I see Chris Tucker and we got all these shiny suits we got another silver suits I said I'm not putting that on I already did that with puffs I want to be myself for me more money more problems yeah so I kind of fought that and then when I was in the in the trailer Clyde Davis would say hey remember what I told you nobody want to see Clark Kent put the Superman suit on up with the outfit on he was like he's gonna be shiny not not um cloud Davis but so my house is gonna be shiny so we need to put makeup on your face and all this stuff I was like man he gonna have me out here like Mars day you know I was so first look for your your project yeah but then when I saw it I was like this is gonna be crazy so I think all of those June Ambrose hype Williams Paul I know all those people that played an amazing role in taking me to the level that I've come to so was it you learn to embrace it yeah it was an image I had to learn embrace because even when I did only you and I'm in the studio and I got all my childhood friends they like me you sound like LL you don't sound like big was in a video the video follow you yeah yet on the blue polo with the navy blue Yankee hat but that could but that was literally the first verse you kick for puffs right so he was on like Jackie rapper going home if you want to come if you want was he told me when I get to New York don't talk to anybody just come and be on bad boy but you know we took another mean yeah and I wouldn't speak with Heavy D at uptown mmm god bless his soul you know in leverage and Heavy D said um I'll give you a hundred thousand up front if you grow an afro and be a part of Pete Rock and CL Smooth what's cents how would you be a part of me to the group Wow think though why do you think it went from life after death I didn't go straight to Harlem well why was no way out necessary was it almost because I'll be missing you record took off and then the focus changed like were you ready to up that fast or Puff wanted to experiment and shout out the puffy did an amazing job even to this day I think sometimes I used to get in my feelings about things that puff didn't do or you didn't you know bring to the table for me when it's time to do something for me but I appreciate it when I look at it from a different hindsight I understand that it made me a monster hmm you think you use it as motivation anybody wanted to keep you I think the way process of bills will cause you to be a monster because you got work double hard to get yours yeah but you also managed by Magic Johnson one time didn't puff have to deal with each other not really because I met Magic Johnson and he was trying to get me into the Starbucks deals and things like that it's like that was not right yeah that was on my way accident shut out the magic tool you know I met a lot of amazing people on this journey and still continue I feel like I always meet the best people you think you just attract that yeah I think my energy just attract good and bad just somehow never make it to me I'm always at the right place at the right time and I and I wanted to say that that sound cocky but sometimes I just feel extremely blessed I'm always at the right place at the right time I'm always leaving the wrong places at the right time mmm-hmm you said something yeah like and there's always been something I had I never knew what it was I just it always was instilled in me so you'll see me excellent and then you'll see certain things that happen like was shining them I always think out of it in that car mmm you get what I'm saying so then my exit was a great idea yeah your exit was a huge thing that I think still somewhat defines you and now it's not always in a positive way right because here's a guy who's leaving the game and it's right by the height of it like and I never I never exited to be anything I just wanted to redefine myself and also find myself because I felt like I had a lot of money but I didn't know who I was I didn't know really what I wanted to do but I knew I had to do something other than just hip hop I felt like I had more gifts than just hip hop and I learned that I do have many more gifts other than hip hop I learned by um studying things in a faith and things like that yeah that I'm as gifted if not more at that than hip hop hmm and that was just that was surprising to me the first time I ever went somewhere and did anything within a youth or on or like speaking of families I end up being a all kind of things marriage counselor different things like yeah you say how can this guy who does hip hop have that much depth to him but it was just something that was given to me and now and I refuse to just keep running away from me so why did you think so Oliver was wildly successful I wanted to get your mentality going into making that second album because the second item is a little more darker and you seems like you're wrestling me somebody issue exactly into the face and double up and double up I found myself drifting from my square it wasn't my happy self I wasn't the person that that was like Oh bubbly and all this I was more looking at it like Here I am at war with childhood friends people I grew up with people I looked up to like in a sense I used to like be like Oh jay-z's here you get what I'm saying so even that was kind of difficult for me because when you dish by somebody you looked up to you like I thought this guy was dope but now he's taking shots at you mm-hmm it's a weird space it's like yeah it's like now you're gunning with with people you looked up to it would be like me beefing with nods I got so much from knots I would feel weird you know in a match with Nas mmm because when I first started rapping he inspired me to write you know we used to be on the corner everybody was on Big L I love Big L but nas world more was more my style so even when nos had the waves with the Fate all I did was grow the dog season get the wave so people blow up and try to act like they came up with all this and if you would be surprised to hear you give credit in that sense yeah and and a lot of a lot of my delivery came from Method Man like I usually love it I'd be on the beat the RZA the race hit me with the me yeah like this party bounce I was like you know what if I take that and kind of put bars to it and you know and do some different joints and then I said I got from ll how to make the girl records and things like that so when you looking at me you looking at a mixture of all those things right how did you mean mo pian onyx how did you manage to soldier on during that time because like a 97 bloodshed had passed away like seven days before big had died yeah like how did you you know manage to go through that I mean and at that point it was it was so much going on I think looking back it was too much for where I was in a maturity state it was it was a lot for me there but musically it began to make me grow up as a man mm-hmm just the loss of life or just understanding that you could be here today and be gone tomorrow so whatever you could do today you better do it so that's why I was jumping on every record doing everything and I learned that from Tupac - yeah he just I love that about Park if I could be any type of artist I would want to be like something like that like you're not from the aggression and disrespectful point but we was so passionate about what he believed what he said and I see people like J Cole and people like that it's happenin to that and I think that's commendable big him up now yeah a little issue before yeah you know I like I like they keep it where it is you know and if I'm if I'm wrong as a man then I apologize as a man that's what I try to do I try to apologize public publicly because I disrespecting them publicly I don't think you disrespect people publicly and try to apologize private yeah I remember you saying that so going back to double-up though did you feel like you were starting to lose the love for it while you were recording the album I felt like I wasn't being appreciated and I only like to go and celebrate it so that's why when people be like me snot coming around he's gonna leave again I only like to be where I'm celebrated I'm not celebrated there I'm not going if you don't like the energy yeah okay you see how I came in here yeah I was I was vibrant about this yes sir I could feel you fool with me I fool with you like I knew be that I'm like this is gonna be crazy yeah me with family I'm there with intelligent minds sometime it's hard to be a of intellect with people that if the elevator don't go up to that floor they don't want to go up you know this is an easy conversation I could I could do part three and four with you because I know you get certain things we can have that conversation cuz I could we could bounce ideas you could tell me things that you don't understand you don't agree with no way and I wouldn't take nothing by it because I know you coming from a non-biased place I think it was always I remember being in media at the time when you retired like the first thing was heard that the deficit Park and beginning pacted you and that was part of it like you made you sort of lose your love of this or also just feel like he wasn't necessarily protected or like you know yeah I'm comfortable right I felt like if if this could happen a biggie worse could happen to me is that yeah that's fair to say if that could happen to him then what could happen to me and I noticed that when things did happen I watch everybody operate a little differently and at first I didn't know what was going on I was 1920 I didn't know what's going on but I thought I've kind of figured out what's going on even today I said now I can't put myself in this position yeah did you have the same kind of sentiment when Big L passed exactly now you gotta remember you bringing up some really key things B died you did your homework so you gotta think about it I'm doing I'm doing rap I blow up instantly I got the whole neighborhood looking for me for everything I'm a superstar yeah I'm still a kid I'm still a kid at this point and you got one of your best friends died and and bloodshed you got another friend died over here over something else you got um you got biggie died then you got Big L die is death all around me whether it's childhood whether it's people I used to rap with whether it's mentors and there's no way you can have three to four deaths around you and not change you right like you would have to be really really shallow and really really numb for that not just the changing and people say oh you're scared no I'm not scared that's common sense if if Big L die who's a rapper right biggie dies who's a rapper bloodshed dies who's also a rapper Tupac dodge that's a rapper you don't see any correlation in that right like so at this time that's why you're getting at you you started getting a darker sense for me because I start paying attention to that and I also change my my surroundings like some of the people I let come around me I should have never let be around me mm-hmm yeah I was gonna say like that's what the accusation I think am always puts out that you were caught up in some Street stuff with you hear names like maybe maybe maybe main and pop latias stuff like but then you say that I said lotty was my friend and and per the request of his mom she asked me as a grieving mom don't keep talking about that because it's hard for my son she said it's hard for us on the rest and I can't really go against that request you know but but what I would say in the sense of this is that it wasn't nothing really I had to do with it that's what I would say yeah but I definitely would would like to let a grieving mom have that piece because for 20 years she haven't had that piece um I want to talk about um uh t6 honeycombs yeah Pam mentioned an interview with hands you know relationship and when he passed he mentioned that you guys you did that you didn't go to the funeral I was wondering what was the reason behind that um I didn't go to anybody's for them really that's not something that it's not something that I do like well my understanding of that is kind of different I went to Biggs frontal did you see me out the basement oh yeah I saw the picture you saw the picture that's not something I do well with it and I I have to respect my mental space in my mental capacity and be honest with myself of the way my brain is wired it's not it's not good for me to see stuff like that because I see it so often like growing up just so you have some childhood history of me when I was about 13 or 14 a lot of my friends got killed my mother sent me down to Jacksonville that's what cam was talking about for like six months and it did something to me mentally with it it kind of changed me made me numb where people get this soft like nonchalant persona from when I went to and it took me a while to get over that it took me like probably like three years from that one aspect so when I went to the frontal with big it was like it restarted all of that so then when it came time father frontal or other people I think I went the Big L and they sent me in to a real dark space that's where you got doubled up from so for me I have to respect Who I am as a person in my strengths and my weaknesses and that's not something good for me mentally to take part in so unless it's like a life celebration I could go into that but where's gonna be a lot of grieving and crying that doesn't work well for me so how do I help people that's grieving I try to figure out other ways I can help because that's not what works for me you understand and somebody will say how you not gonna go to your childhood friends you know funeral it's a hard thing to do but if it's gonna send me into a different space then that's not something I should do and then there's other times when I would go to a friend of another aspect of it is this if I go to a friend and it could lead to my frontal role should I go yeah so I want to give you both sides and I just used a psychological excuse also if I'm gonna go to a funeral and I know it's gonna be loaded with people that clearly feel this way mm-hmm why would I be sitting in the audience unprotected in a Marvel people that all feel may share the same view of me that wouldn't be smart would it no do you feel like you see when you got successful you felt like there started to be tension within Harlem and certain people weren't messing with you or you felt I've turned on you I felt like and when I first started it was a surprise nobody expected me to blow it's definitely not that fast yeah nobody helped me so therefore when I blew up everybody would fill away because this is the guy that we didn't help you said big I reached out to cam to be on his record no one ever reached out nobody ever put me on anything so then if you didn't put me on anything and then I skyrocket you know I got a chip on my shoulder so now I'm looking at it like everybody needs me and I still try to help I put five of my friends I gave my friend a deal only I think two maybe three of them were rappers the rest of them was just my friends the guy's sugar J I put him in the group he didn't even rap I just was trying to make a way for everybody from different areas of call him to make some money so I took a guy from uptown I took a guy from the east side I took a guy from st. Nick projects so you know get somewhere 29th Street link was from me a K States was my sister yes who helped what you want got your tape that you love who got you on the puffer yeah huh D was from Dellen off 42nd 41st 40th so in car Dan was from st. wow so so that was my wit his own deal too that was my way to create outlets for every part of Harlem I could think about that was my understanding so if I helped blink he's now responsible to help a K if I help me no me no is now responsible to help 29th Street if I helped huh D huh D is now responsible to help forty or forty first drew Hamilton if I helped loom lune is responsible to help 45th Street and there you go you get so now my help my sister because she's the one that's really started it all she was the one had my tape and gave it the kuda which led to me me and puff which led to all of this Harlem stuff you're getting yeah all right so therefore that was my way to give back to everybody and then when I helped sugar J he was just there right that way what's the relationship like with McGruff these days um I tried I tried to reach out through different people because I don't have a direct line on him but that was also one of my favorite artists growing up he got it I feel like if I could do it all over again that would be one of the guys that I would really really help because he was the guy when he had a deal looked out for me mmm he was the guy that was like it was the biggest murder it was me Big Al and grow Yeah right so you know shut out the gruff and hit me up dear me coming for you did help came by bringing cam to biggie right that's how big he gonna talk damn good I want to entertain me yeah I sent I brought cam the biggies house and and big was in the bed I said big you need to listen to this guy so I really pushing the envelope for cam and that's why you know sometimes I'm I'm more I wouldn't say disappointed but that would be the only word I could think of at this time I think sometimes you just don't go against people who who did something for you at a time when you couldn't do it for yourself yeah and not that he wouldn't have got on and got a deal on his own I'm not taking credit like that I'm just saying but I did do something yeah and then why weren't you cut why weren't you get part of that deal in some sense she said you didn't even get a finder's fee like what was that decision that way was it something which you went on at the time or something like why was I just didn't need it I didn't need it and when I when I asked for you know to be paid for a video at Boston College yeah at that point I needed it so if I'm doing work I need to be paid for my work if I'm gonna be doing free stuff for you it should be okay if I get you a deal if I do songs with you I've run through a whole video with you I'm not even part of the video I read through the video with them for a whole day you know running through train stations and all of this some saying at some point is it should be okay if on this next thing I get me the favor back although take care of you in this one yeah I gave you I gave you the solid on your look yeah yeah and you know I think people looking back we probably all could have done it differently I don't hold him a hundred percent responsible there's certain ways I probably could have handled it because I believe at the time I the guy was at the source at the time it was a big deal in that moment that you didn't do it it was instantly a thing that became this controversial yeah like his people bug out now like watch one of years later is that the source of the thing but at the end of day is a big moment I think today that's still the the issue yeah because like certain things I said even in an interview with Angie there's certain things puff did that that hurt me as a person when you can't say that something hurts you and you don't deal with that hurt always gonna turn you into he's trying to hurt somebody else when really just address it I like that about Drake he's vulnerable in different states that causes him the self reflect huh I had to look and say there's certain things pop did that hurt me as a person so then when we talked me and puff had this this amazing conversation I wish I had that record it when I told her my real heart I told him how I felt when you know I was going through certain things and he was on songs with people that were trying to do stuff to me physically and so you know I got into that with him and let him know how I felt about that he said you never I never knew this so a lot of times it just takes that conversation and then in that conversation he could say okay like there was times when when puff went out and did something with whether it was Dre and Snoop and people would be like nice thing come out like cuz to me that that hurts me yeah you get what I'm saying I got full with Snoop but that that wouldn't have been something at that point for me to do it I used to feel like if I go out there with them I'm disrespecting big and it took me a while to understand no people have moved on and if everybody I had to say if everybody else is okay with this I still have to be true to how I think yeah do you do the other aspect of it I think it was more so I think when when Jimmy jumped in it and you guys said your issues that it almost they felt like you left them and they did like they ended up building diplomats right and became self-sufficient but it's almost like and that's to be commended yeah it was almost like did they feel like you had abandoned them in a sense and that they had to create this on their own and that resemble are you not being there and that's to be commended I think they should only been resentful if they felt if I moved out the way and you got that much success then that was what that was God's plan hmm and that was supposed to happen sometimes people have to move out the way so you could be who you need to be because if I was there who's they say there would be a diplomat who would who's they say everybody wouldn't be on the homeworld like to me when I when I think of cam and I think of Jim and all of them the most impressive thing I ever seen cam do was Dipset you know so I wasn't listening to music but when I went back and listened I was like this song was crazy Juelz was crazy on this you know that he built his powerful me exactly like they said was a powerful movement and they really built a problem exactly but who's this say with mace with all his color and all of his own good vibes you couldn't have gotten Dipset out of that so me leaving should be claping you should be clapping for that because without that who's to say you would have gotten that and then people like Juelz that rose to the forefront yeah amazing lyricist you know but it took me to move for that to happen so I I think that's like a gift and a curse mm-hmm and you have to look at it that way don't really be resentful of that because if he didn't move you wouldn't have had the whole town to do Dipset yeah what do you do what again I applaud what they did with ya I think people want a brother II wonder what you felt yeah when that movement respected I'm a suspect when I first saw it when I first sort of the logo I was impressed I was like oh he gets it you get what I'm saying something that being something that iconic and again bringing Juelz to the forefront yeah well was another genius move because you always recreate yourself with new people and new energy mm-hmm so you know I always knew him and Jim to be together but it was jus else I really stood up yeah yeah ding ding J all right Akane then 40 Cal you know who's after you get one going everybody just everybody just comes you know and I know ain't no age and can't make it a move to Rockefeller and then making that successful that wasn't happy with that but that's not my business okay why wasn't you happy with that always like also to go back though it seems like there's always some type of issue with your name - like and he was the one with children of the corn who helped you guys in the beginning why do you think things have gone not right with him at times and you said a lot of times you also feel like he planted the seed in Cam's mind to beef with you listen that's my that's my ultimate issue with with damn I feel like we had a lot of issues outside of music whether it was different people baby mothers and he said the are eons and all the hair and I don't want to get it like that see that's the past yeah it was it was all the beefs people pretty much had where me could be linked back to some woman but in all a player stuff that people say I shouldn't be saying this let's just move on from it yeah no but just bigger than that yeah but but you so that's why you didn't like that move the rock fell over me but you do respect the diplomat movement being built I came at the forefront 100% why do you think sweetie surprise that he brings up stuff like this and still goes back to the street stuff and like with a current mixtape went back and tapped you like were you surprised that he's still bringing these type of things to the forefront no I think once you once you kind of get away with someone's twice you're gonna do it a third time and we get away with it a third time yeah you gonna do it a fourth time he's anything like you he would wake the Beast up as you said he said the Jeana mixtape oh he didn't walk the beast up you were steep like it he didn't think he was he was gonna wake you didn't think you were gonna respond that way yeah I mean I don't know but I heard him say out of his own mouth he's proud of me he's I'm proud of him responding after but he it took him 15 years that was how much that was how much love I had I have fun you know them saying that I didn't want to go in that space because I know when I go in that space I'm going all the way there so I don't like the go there because when I go there I'm going all the way there and that wasn't a space that I was willing to go to because after you make the record you got to be willing to do all other stuff that goes with the record yeah and and and defend yourself unknown are the other parts and I never wanted to put myself in that position but I I had to think about and say well he's clearly will willing to do something to me so at some point I have to understand yeah that's where me go and be okay with it because I'm gonna defend myself you think the success of diplomats and the power of that is also to a certain extent diminish your legacy a little bit in comparison and that that game gets a lot of props because of five years I think I think of I think of um how can I say it I think cam is dope and his legacy is dope on the level it's on and I think mace is dope and even doper on the on the level I'm on I don't I never saw me and cam on the same level nobody that knows music the same level now if you a street guy you got cam up here right if you're if you're a mainstream guy you got me all the way up here you get what I'm saying like it off your younger Ruffin you may have not admitted you younger rap friend and you never heard me but if you go back and listen to me sweat biggie murder me some freestyle he's made some a sweat biggie biggie told you he listens to mace I think that's a hat off right there yes Eminem told you Mace's is his favorite artist Kanye told you Mase is his favorite artist so you and then you you hear Drake he said well Mase is the original of a lot of the stuff we're doing mm-hmm you don't get you don't touch that many people on those type of levels without being something mm-hmm not saying them you know past anybody and even weekend like I said he's dope on his level for street rat for that he's one he's one of the best mume he built what cultural level he's one of the best but if you say mainstream or or can do it all rappers then that's different you're giving us a lesson I'm trying and I'm trying to appreciate what he does and let people know that don't diminish Who I am of course as me as a person I'm gonna say I'm doper like I would be lying if I said I thought he was doper you know I think if I was a street rapper and I stayed around a bunch of goings I will be even dope as a street rapper I don't think there's nobody because sometimes it's the it's the people you keep around you if I kept a hundred certified Street guys around me and only rapped about Street stuff I think I would be better than most of the guys who rap about Street stuff because this is the energy you keep around you that now plays into your image you don't ever have to catch a body but if everybody around you is known for bodies yeah then people associate you as this top goal you know and and because of I choose to be around people that just have good energy they're not with the smoke you know I'm saying oh no mace walks around with a lot of jury and things like that with no security I'm not I think I'm you know in my own yeah I'm not here with a thousand people I don't feel like I need to anything somebody could do for me I could do for myself but I'm not I hope I never have to do that I'm now on that type of time but I'm not fearful I couldn't be with bad boy in a time where you could lose your life and I'm riding shotgun with the person everybody wants his head and be soft hmm I mean I was here when I survived Tupac I can survive the rappers are today that's what I mess what people don't remember like no we survived Tupac who is there today that we couldn't handle yeah glad I'm sorry I was gonna say amazing you know you mentioned a lot of the ledges when they respect you and you know what you've done to the game but you know for your own perspective what do you think that you brought into the music game that was different I brought so much to the game from look if you just look at people who just started wearing waves just we can go through the list of artists to earrings jerseys um fitted hats right this is this is a lot like I mean slowing up the rap so people can hear it rapping two words at a time it was a lot of things that I brought to the game that people would never give me credit for and i'ma say this because I'm I'm only gonna be myself even when I started rapping on bad boy I saw how my flow changed other great rappers flow not gonna say any name cuz there's a bunch of them that we hold as gods that all adjusted their flow to how I was flowing if you go listen to your greatest five rappers before me as king they were rapping differently you come tell me about their single and their songs after I dropped and you say may even influence them now nobody's gonna go on a radio and say it may seem fluence me but it's like why is that because of the stigma of the retirement and all of a sudden you're a pastor and we don't see that coming like yeah let's go back to like why cuz I remember I remember when you retired the first thing I heard was that you was going back to being kind of anonymous you were gonna go to college I went to college Rock University I got two doctorates but that she was you know gonna go to college and and lay low in that sense and just kind of figure out yeah when I went to college it was crazy because I was trying to sit in class with other kids you already got a job and then public speaking class that was one of the classes I had and the lady said there's a lot of people that can't talk that make a lot of money like rappers and everybody started laughing everybody's looking at me and I'm thinking wait a minute so I said miss why do you think rappers can't talk she said they break their syllables up she you know she told me a lot of things that ago I never thought about and I said that's actually how I speak you know so I took the criticism it was really harsh so then when we was time to do a paper or orientation the first person she called up when it was time to do this was me so I'm up here and I got to talk about I think Martin Luther King and the difference between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X so you have to go in and pick it and I'm looking at this thing and everybody's like what is he gonna say about so I'm breaking it down the way I understand it and she says sit down I said sit down she said sit down this is how you don't speak and from that point on it made me work on how I speak in in public like and from there and taking different classes and people ask me about my change it ended up turning into a church it wasn't letting start no Church I didn't want to start no Church it just grew into that and from from taking those classes and learning how to speak and I had no idea was going in that direction yeah I was just trying to get myself senate as a person we start the same ministries were you still writing raps on the side that's a publishing issue I had things that were already written that I I did let a few people use and tap into and they made a very successful oh you could say yeah you had yeah bless the people you would ghostwriting certainly think faster some lyrics along so what was that transition like for you to become a pastor and like then lead a congregation like do you me the first time you got up and like led a group of people and like what was that transition like for you when I started going when I started going to church I was an assistant of the pastor I wasn't even trying to be a minister and nothing like that my job was to take his robes in all the quiet robes to the cleaners and get them clean Wow when I first start going to church it was all like real old people 60 70 I was the only person in here that was under about probably like 40 or 50 when I started going in I noticed that nobody knew me there so I felt comfortable hmm I was learning from this past he was really good but nobody knew of them and when I would take these things to the cleanest people will look at us and be like why mace carrying his luggage in his in his briefcase and all of these things like that and they make a long story short when I started doing that the more and more I went out with him somebody tipped them off to who I was but that was like nine months to a year later and it was too late I had already learned everything pretty much because I would study on them and take his sermons and rewrite a man and you know create a [Music] study note from from his lessons and I would take his study notes and talk about them to people in school mm-hmm that's kind of other churches started so I used to drive the church van you know the Lord window that you go like this and push out and I remember it was so funny because it was a real old van and one day I was driving it to go pick up this the students from the school and drive them to church and I saw JD and it looked like a car driving with no driver I didn't want JD to see me in his old van and then they make a long story short I told him about it later he said yeah and then when when when the pastor had took me to with him to an evangelistic mean and he said I want you to get up today and tell people what God has done for you I just stood up you know I didn't have at that time I was growing braids nobody saw me but I was growing braids I would look totally different these jeans and Tim's on and this was around the time I took all my jury and I gave it to like different pastors gave the the car I had to one of the pastors wives or something like that because I said if this is real then got to rebuild my life and I ended up with more than I ever had with puff yeah Wow but we got up there to speak and I started saying what God has done for me I could see like it was like hundreds of people that was just coming down to so this even before you got in front of a all yet really no I understood in front of a congregation and said what God did for me and and I always had that draw and I started going around from different cities to speak the youth and tell them how to you know process hip-hop and things like that so it wouldn't have them going to jail for stuff that rappers are not even living mmm I felt like that was my my assignment to do that so even if I go and do some crazy freestyle I still owe it to those kids that's out there to know that don't actually go out and do this right this is entertainment this is not this is not a hundred percent real for nobody and you need to know that because if you put the music out there and somebody start living it then they're gonna get their families is gonna be ruined by not having that supervision so I felt that was my responsibility not going against any rap or anything like that just trying to balance the fill yeah right do you understand why some people might view as a hypocrite I I do without without without conversation with me mmm I 100% agree with that and and understand that when you don't have the conversation yeah right I think if if if Denzel goes to church after he did training day and he speaks about God he's he a hypocrite no I think he's an actor cuz his art right you don't judge paintings you enjoy them alright so what is on the music it's the stigma that you think is real that gives me the stigma of hypocrite but once you know this is not real then he's no longer a hypocrite right so Dinah great I guess some of the verbiage that you said in your book cuz I read it know if you might according to my according and that's a great question I answered that yesterday or Angie I said that if if I if I said I love Sandy say a girl named Sandy from high school and I can never be without her at 18 and then I'm 40 years old and I'm living without Sandy does that make me a hypocrite no it just mean you grew right but you're not applying that same thing to me you're saying because you said this when you were 20 years old you're a hypocrite now at 30 and 40 and not allowing me to grow once you allow a person to grow that could be their truth at that age and you're responsible what I'm trying to say is I'm gonna live my truth whatever that is at whatever age that is so at that point that's what I needed to make the transition so that's that was my mindset that's no longer my mindset my mind said now is that this is an art and if I'm given 12 gifts I'm responsibility to be faithful over all 12 of those gifts yeah yeah it took me a long time because I I held so many ministers at high regard that I allowed their truth to be my truth and that happens a lot of times because you want to show them that you're serious about this so I let their truth be my truth but the more and more I studied I realized that that's not necessarily what I believe that's what he said but that's not what I believe it's almost like Malcolm X when he realized that everybody white wasn't against them right and then it changed him did that make him a hypocrite no he grew and he recognized this struggle is bigger than just a race ting it's a mindset did you struggle with that first time of going back to the music because you know walk about he said he tried to do a cleaner image you felt like you had to was that a struggle in that that was a problem because when I did what I'm doing now is what I was one do then but I took the advice of so many people and I also did not want to disrespect anybody they just spent five years with me as a minister and said okay I trust this guy trust him with my family I trust him with my children so I wanted to do something that I felt like they wouldn't know that I'm respecting them but in in respecting them I didn't respect what I was really supposed to do I was supposed to do this from back then and people would say well how would that transition I feel like I can see it now you remember DMX used to get on stage and he would do all of these crazy songs but then he would pray yeah right and it would be so moving the people because the dopest MCS always had a spiritual sense to him mmm Rakim you know you go down the history of them so people they that argue with that they don't know hip-hop mm-hmm something's always MC what do you think you get that from that's a spiritual turn when you hear Tupac why was he so dope he was mixing lyrics with spirit that's why this opens up his album with the prayer exactly J Cole and some of the dopest in-depth artists have spirituality to it huh I hope that makes them that was hard though the song dude yeah I like I was saying about the DMX thing I was like what would happen if I ever learned how to put it all together cuz right now it's still stuff I got to figure out I mean the only issues that I'm growing in front of the masses yeah even that's always the right thing to do you know I'm saying the child star is the hardest thing is to grow in front of the masses because they know you one way and then you're trying to grow and be who you are now and they're like no I know you as this person you know and not trying to let you evolve but you're not gonna get the best out of a person if you don't let them evolve like the jay-z we know today was not that man yeah watching huh definitely but he's still great yeah and you take a 50 who's sold crack and professed it and then he comes and sell you vitamin water yeah and now we got this amazing TV shower yeah so why let every other rapper all into something totally different is he a hypocrite cuz now he's selling those vitaminwater and he so described be Dutch be that because if you give me the real you know right now no he's not corporate he's gay he's making his money he's evolved he somebody new when it comes to Christianity as a practicing Christian it's just that it's just a conviction that it's something that you just can't like get out of you know or knowing that's true I'm not I'm not trying to get out of it I'm not trying to get out of it I'm saying the message could still be the same the method you go about it is changed like we're not in a CD era yeah we in an mp3 era so to keep living together now yeah we're in a streaming error so to try to do something the way you've done it before it's not the same and I keep getting off my my statement that I'm trying to make I say you remember when DMX used to pray on stage and everybody with Phillips yeah it was the dope wreckage that he made that had you open to that prayer it's true so what if I gave you dope records and then I prayed he'll be totally different because I'm coming from that I'm not trying to turn the whole world Christian I'm trying to do my part I'm trying to make sure that I use my platform to do something good with it and I don't look at it as a weakness because I'm undergirded or my foundation is God I think that's a strong place is it important for you now to do it on your own terms without an affiliation cuz you know like you said sometimes it was hard for you were bad boy because how am I gonna be anti something that I really helped build and you know what time to your careers like it's gonna be with g-unit it's gonna be with good music it's gonna be with MMG you know in this era D feel like it's more important for you to build your foundation on your own sense I think I think it's really important for me to build my own bad boy hmm that's always been a goal of mine right I got ya I wanted it to happen went on Christian in degree and King Combs yeah I once said you want the a in our King Kong received it sense not only like the way you received it he has the right to do what he wants to do and I have the right to do what I wanted to do I think is beyond how I feel about it I think at this point every man has the right to do it the way he wants to do it yeah and I don't feel no way about it so at this point that's what that's one of the things I want to do is build my own bad boy but you had a label situation which are made to pre correct and and the artist window they actually sold records for the record anything I've been a part of has worked that's one thing that is not on my track record and also in me meeting Jermaine Dupri when I met Nellie that's another thing people sometime they don't know about so I think my track record is really cool of with the Nellie connection really I pass Nellie - cool - love mmm because I was excellent music and I still wanted them to go that's why when I came back CUDA made me the president of the company oh yes I was the one record there was crazy like this era was great what was that like for you better like what what was that milkshake so damn big [Laughter] I think the GU experience was really good for me because I had a short period of learning about prodigy rested solo stuff like that and it was it was different but it was it was more like how I started so it was fun because I got to be a nice no pressure and even with 50 I think at that time he was so focused on him again creating an amazing brand he was trying to help everybody I think that eventually warm out a little bit but everybody on that label like receive me like to this day if I see Bank somewhere it's crazy but I'll look at him like I would look like anybody from batboy more Tony yeah yo or because at that time you never forget people who was there for you at a transition you know what I'm saying like they was already running they have no need to to have me on boy with them so I always respected that even when when he felt like he didn't want to do the deal because puff you know hmm one or two million 102 million or something like that and they just took me in I mean everybody yeah yo and buck me and Buck became really cool even last couple a couple months ago I saw bunkies murder what's underrated - yeah yeah a bag of a couple of years that a robber joint and I really enjoyed who could have you listening I still need my money you never say you know that is actually I'll put all the stupid services - oh yeah my attorney of being touch with you and I can't get the payment in 10 years soundtrack as well yeah daddy but you know - it was really it was really fun working with them yeah I mean and even who else home and just shot money is everybody everybody took me in yeah that's why today when I see Travis brother you know it's family man right I feel like I know him because his brother was so cool to me and so good to me you know I'm saying was it frustrating though they have these sort of stopping goals in my cases coming back and then things don't work out and then it seemed like you were away for a couple of years a lot it was a lot of paperwork behind the scene it was a lot of red tape it was a lot of cease and desist to try to get a lot of it was a lot of different things that that people never knew about they just would see me stop and go like I'm like I'm getting like you're unsure I'm sure yeah no I would see certain things and say okay scrap that go back to the drawing board because like I had the pleasure of speaking to Angie I had the pleasure of speaking of flex and I said certain things I wouldn't do because I thought you were so in bed with this person and this artist that every time I try to do something you would try to stop it or wouldn't support it because of your affiliation with this and then he would go no that ain't the case but I'm glad you told me that and I told Angie the same thing once and I said the same thing about clue and you can make all you you get where I'm going with this so it's like every time you try to do something I didn't want to break out of a different city I'm from here so it's not for me to get a jump start from San Diego I love the town you know it was the first place I could put my crunchy toes and I come out with basketball shorts t-shirt right yeah recently you celebrated 20 years of Harlem world what memories do you have we use making that project like in and they do it a classic now maybe the album is a baby we didn't give it to you real time I apologize but yeah it's a classic is a classic know everybody got it wrong with the class isn't classic what I say you got it wrong cuz I don't think in that era we didn't get we didn't make it I didn't give it that classic stamp in real time oh that was you back there name everybody everybody change their mind the top table is if you go back to the source I needed my other mic I needed Martha Mike that thing they gave me for there you go I was really looking forward to that fifth Mike yeah I was really said it with a F - is that you before what was that like sidin you for so you so basically biggie dies laugh at the deficit smash you help huff with no way out that blows up and now it's really finally your turn what was that like putting hollow ball together Harlan well was it was an amazing like creative space and that's how it is for me that's why I'm trying to get away from certain things because when I'm happy and I'm smiling I can make that kind of music you know what I'm saying I could give you what you get now but I could still give you the hits if I'm in a good space when I'm not in a good space that's just how I work hmm if I'm in a good space I could give you that repeatedly every time you know and when I was doing Harlan well I had a different group of people around me I had blinky with me I had trade a go with me you know tone from glasses wanna blow Oh told you you know I had a tone with me tone was my manager at that time I me and kula fell out and things like that so I was just in a space way it was just me DDOT Nassim Stevie J was the hit man Yeah right like to this day I'm still calling DDOT I still look the DDOT and say okay DDOT you tell me about this freestyle I don't judge I don't I don't trust everybody's here yeah cuz everybody hears for different reasons hmm I called DDOT I Spit the verse form over the phone the Oracle joint I think it was that or something else and he was like that's you wrap it I said yeah I'm wrapping so when you produce for me I need those kind of beats and that's kind of why I went over the beats I did mm-hmm because it seemed like producers are not making that kind of music so every time I would get an inbox of beats yeah I would have to go I'm too much dish you know the bounce yeah I have to go in that back he chose blueprint to DJ see right yeah and the UFO to classic break beat yeah and I and a lot of people have their opinions but I don't trust everybody's opinion like you are trust your opinion of course I would trust um VDOT who's out here making sure you got number two of the bad boy topic seasonless biggie would put me number two mmm you want a sound bite there you have it a biggie would put me number two how was it like during that era with you guys um but after I after I left biggie might play kiss a little bit ahead of me but kisses done more and yeah but at that time big you would put so putting you above styles for the record isn't a disc because we all respects nas but we feel you about something when I say kiss I mean kiss and styles mmm I think this is right there is no is you could argue that if you want but I'm gonna let you have that ignorant conversation by yourself yeah because house is right but it's but no disrespect to them it's disrespectful to put a black robbed or Ajit up above you but Charlemagne did that so how much you guys contention is that it's person with you in Charlemagne why why are you in Charlotte why do you have beef with the radio guy like why is there a conflict um because in my in my bad judgment I have times when I'm I'm very human then I have times when I could be very brilliant I think everybody have dumb moments you know I'm saying I believe he gave me donkey other day and it was deserving because I I ran up on him with it with a different intent yeah and I think that that kind of helped him build a the percept he already had a bad perception of me but I think that kind of sealed it for him and sometime you make decisions and and your decisions you don't get to pick your consequence so I'm ok with that yeah is there something you want you feel we one day would be rectified or you just not important to you I don't think if I thought it would help I would apologize but I don't if if it doesn't help then there's no need in doing it right but I'll do it anyway just for the sake of saying I did my part before a peaceful man you've got just some altercation through the years situations but my my my altercations always come as a defense of something I'm never the guy pushing the envelope I'm just always defending myself like if you take this platform Elliott Wilson and you took and you choose the zoom in on little pump and destroy little pumps career with this platform that would be the mint that would be a misappropriation of this it's a platform because you're taking your power and you're using it to bully somebody because you want to every day if I'm on the air every day I could change people's view of you by just constantly going after you is bullying in the highest form you know so people gotta watch how they in society today you can't keep doing that if somebody choose to call you on the carpet on that it may cost you your job you don't get to stay on somebody like that because you got affiliations with people that may not like this person that's not why you is giving this platform mm-hmm use giving this platform to talk about to be fair and even if you don't like me that's cool you have the right to say that was trash I would have the right to say that stretch but to hop on you every chance I get it's not your job right that's not why the sponsors right I wonder hind you is that I was very to say yes that's why I want to go back a little bit with Harlem world yeah let's go sessions 24 hours to live talk about that song yeah like I'm one day I think we need to go through every record has been twenty right when I I got the idea 24 hours to live from Biz Markie hmm Bismarck see Bismarck saw me in front of Mart 125 he said yeah I hear what you're doing and as soon as he came up I went know we all got humor we all can make you cry we want to joke and he was like chill chill for a moment the actual records that you're doing they're dope did cool but I think you need to make a record about if you had 24 hours to live Bismarck yeah frenum are 125 and so our herb is our business not just Hammacher check I hate when people try to pay me homage pay me a check yeah yeah cuz when I did 24 hours to live all I could come up with with 16 bars alright so I was like man how do we make this a dope record then I just I told puff the hook I said puff you should say the hook yeah oh no no no I didn't tell puff puff just Bogart it is was probably gonna be on every record that's hot if it's hot he's on it if it's not y'all go ahead and handle that as long looking at me you get a Grammy for a Grammy nominee Young Pharrell on production - yeah yeah I remember when we met Pharrell everybody was like don't let him in the studio because he was dressed different come in the studio like that studio is pre Kanye he were to kill again [Laughter] doing this studio I said this record is fine Oh baby played the record he's like why you over there lookin at me oh my god and that Jobs came in I don't I'll see you at the hook placement - yeah l came over it was already on it Wow I was like I'm gonna be on this and I might spit a freestyle the Freestyle I did on flex when it was me biggie in the locks about I had a thousand dollar bill and it was Teddy Roosevelt's and puffs heard that he was like whoa then we came back he was like that need to be on the record and that's how we came up with how many gotta die for you hmm and then when I was still little Kim on it and I wrote puffle another version you know right away do you want to feel so good because the Cooley gang sample like know a lot of heat for taking all the records and sampling I mean I know I fought listen can you imagine being in a beat room they plan on a debt and they play Benjamins right hmm and then they play Penniman and then and they play hypnotize why didn't they play and then in it man like I hope that's not my beat I'm not taking that I said I like the first beat he's like um you know public's always you know I know it was oh well Suzy looks always I know you like um that beat that's my beat what about that would be oh that's Biggie's beat you couldn't argue with that that's me but I'm saying that the first beat if biggie got the second one I need the first one you just because it was cool in the game people knew what it was it was just over the top and I was like I didn't think that was what I wanted because remember I went and wrote Mo Money mo problems is my first single hmm so I don't know that yes I'm thinking that's my first single I already got it in and Jadakiss was supposed to be on it hmm it was gonna be me Jadakiss and biggie hmm for my single lead single number one yeah first thing yeah you get what I'm saying so and then I was like you know since biggie dot we gonna use this record now you heard what he said first right since biggie died oh so that decision was made after biggie passed yes so if you notice biggie is not on the same beat we're all hmm well that's Benjamin you mean Benjamin's no okay no more money more problems okay is it the same beat no it's the same butan oh yeah yeah way either way bigger put a verse on it yeah forgive me nothing and and he was supposed to you know supposed to be on the beat and it was gonna be me kiss and biggie then you ended up writing Puffy's part yeah cuz the puff has already got in mind he got it he got another plan yeah but you guys have his Biggie's records all in service too big if it's for big year you have to accept that the other day you not have as your song you I didn't have to but I went along with it I chose to go along with it so how did you make feel so good yours and when did you ever when did you start feeling good about it that I didn't I wrote it to another beat because I didn't like to be that all at first cuz it wasn't finished it just had a minute bent bent in a minute see it doesn't sound like the way you hear yeah before it had the party people in the place to be he jazz it all up but it is just and then it bent bent but when they added a big intro that is that when you felt like all this no I had already had I wrote it to the I wrote it and put it over there and then puff produced it around that mmm was the other day what you going that would total that what you want but remember if you look at you listen to these beats before the record there wouldn't have been the beats that you pick remember you had whoa you had our own if you wanna come jiggy all these crazy [ __ ] and they seemed like whatever was this song get at the maze and I was like and when I'm in my whole career I've never had a Benjamins mmm-hmm so I had to believe that might have been as big as you yeah I always made the beat yeah mmm there's no beat other than I would say tell me what you want in my perspective that was just crazy and you got another MC could of what I like when you heard such a vibrant thing the beat was already crazy right when you heard Busta Rhymes until to put your hands like a suit and my whole career I've never had that so didn't how was I able to do it it had to be the lyrics because that wasn't there me was it your call to have DMX or album twice mm I think that was being I think that was Dee Dee perspective because and why because DMX was so hot in the streets we all knew DMX was gonna be as big as he was yeah cuz I was going up to Yonkers rapping with the LOX every day so we knew DMX was gonna be super super dope so having him having him on the first record once he got on home 24 hours to live it was like he wanted to work he was use a worker you know I'm saying there's some rappers did not workers he was one of the workers like I mean it's all you want to do yeah we only gonna do two he would have done four or five he was ready he yeah you got another one what we use some of your contributions it's an audio or your contribution no way out that maybe some people mean I know give you full credit for when you listen to that arm I think I was as involved as Puff was yeah mmm I mean to all the Li singles but around the world remix yep candle by oh me down yeah all those all the big records were mine know that I mean I wrote yeah so when you look at even even from the aspect of I don't think there's many rappers that could say they were um song write of the year for two years straight for the time I was in hip-hop I was the song write of the year when everybody be in there so I think that equates to something right that's a great contribution in hip-hop what's your process now writing songs do you like pin the pad like how do you process you lately it depends on the beat when it's aggressive I like to go off the top of my head when it's like party or like a girl record I kind of try to write it so like a song like [ __ ] done started something what was the party just off the top the top guys altogether I think we were for that because that was day in Greece Dave Grisha he contributed and sometime it's too many people to name like whenever there's something it's just it's just a lot goes into it sometimes people think just puff or puffing the Hitman no Dame grease was involved Pharrell was involved young Kanye was involved you know he was involved you know jay-z was on the song way she cheat on you yeah she's so moany foe was on that album on I love to be need to be crazy yeah like want to be that classic yeah new edition was a boy MJG swap houses involved there's so many people involved in that it was that was just like it was just great so many people contribute it but in the overshadow me this this footage just online of you at Harlem world embracing a young Calle West what was it about him that you like gravitated to why not when I made Kanye I totally keep rapping because I saw his passion like something something in life yes something in life that people underestimate is a man's will to be great like you could have the talent but that's not necessarily was gonna make it real when I saw Kanye I saw his willing to be great for a long time some people won't be great until they get a watch and a change some people are gonna be great until they get a house and move out the hood very few people want to be great for a long time stay driven and I saw that in him like I think I have that because for us to even be here 22 years later hmm that's it that's a testament in a sense that we on every major platform after 20 years so that's that you shook up the internet you you want a rap battle with 2017 and the judgment of ya audience I always tell people the thing you're actually using against me is more detrimental to everybody else because if you say that's what I'm I am and they can't beat me then what is that a few more coming though oh yeah what you mean a few more what a few more a few more incidents with rappers I think he was just the first one no I'm not I'm not I'm not talking about going after somebody I just I just could sense it I think I think it's a bucket list you know you check off your bucket list there's one down one it's gonna be probably about two more and then my legacy will be Whitney too because you you saw it you said that you was coming out with an album couple years ago called now we even is that still happening always done I could play it for you now is all done is that gonna be the return s to some they lost out I don't know I am I'm looking to see how how I have so much music I think I have like hundreds of songs but not hundreds but at least a hundred songs and sometime the process I think way I think I kind of been overthinking it because sometime when you have so much stuff you don't know which record to go with because everybody because of their that's affiliates they'll be like this like every time I drop something people will be like I like that or I don't like it because they know of so much other stuff that I have yeah so sometime I'm trying to get DDOT and a few people like yourself and people to go through it and be like I like this so I like this verse because Thomas yeah I want I want that hands-down classic but is it hard though because I mean as sharp as you are obviously not in the prime of your career right he said your 20 year veteran you know there's still a age stigma in hip-hop like do you feel like no I don't think that that that goes with me because I've been absent so long so even though it's been 22 years I only really gave us like two or three albums exactly so till a lot of people there people still want to hear me because they didn't get to hear that so I'm just trying to give them the whole campaign and now we even it's like giving them all of the stuff they missed out on and also going to the orphanages and things like that and just doing a whole campaign of touching people musically spiritually all of that helping that's the biggest challenge to combine all those elements of it yeah and not turning it back on to out inside of you come on please having a team that had the capacity to be able to help me do that you get what I'm saying so now I've learned I can't use everybody for everything some people I could use for music then I gotta have another team that help me do the spiritual thing then I gotta have another team that'll help me do the nonprofit stuff like giving out turkeys and things like that and people who want to profit all the time they're not gonna be good for nonprofit so it's like having three teams working at the same time so this whole thing of the times mace comes up shakes up the world and goes away you're not going away this time we're dealing with Mason in 2017 going into 2018 I'm in 2018 my brain is in 20 and hopefully by the time that stop being 2019 this Oracle success give you that extra validation if you needed it to feel like this is the right move for me right now this is for me to reclaim my spot in this music business I'm not I'm not trying to reclaim my spot hmm I'm trying to go for it all mm-hmm Chyna go fill your destiny yeah I'm nice that's exactly what I'm trying to do fulfill my destiny I'm not trying to get 97 I'm trying to get where I supposed to be right now in 2017 when I look at my peers and I see all the great things they have done yeah I don't get jealous I get motivated I feel like I'm supposed to be up there I gotta make a million dollars but I feel like I'm supposed to be at least a hundred million in some way a while up there not down here with the one and two million I don't think I think that's beneath me yeah for everything I know and everything I could do absolutely this thing's like seeing a jay-z still successful all the rappers now like it does I used to be the stigma that older artists couldn't really like compete in the marketplace and it was just a young man's game does that inspire you to see like wow this has grown we've grown up and definitely has and and I've learned and I had a smart conversation with different people that I've said it makes you know you have to go after the younger crowd if you just get your fans you'll do well mm-hmm so I'm I'm no longer trying to run away from my fans to get in who are fans yeah I'm just trying to be Who I am and whoever like that the next to it connects doesn't connect to it I feel good but you got any final words man I feel good I bet this bag baby feeling so good and I think that's dope because like even when I spoke alone you guys are good you got yeah we we was on the phone we've been on the phone a lot especially since this whole thing that happened with me and I'm Kim I just just understanding that I have a multi responsibility I have to be dope as artists but I also have to give back and I also have to be at these places that are not necessarily a my benefit only so I got to do it all that's why the campaign is now we even I feel like there are some things I could have done better and more people I could have helped so that's what this campaign is about that's why it's called now even after I do this we're even that's why I did Angie first I promised her something a long time ago now me and Angie is even right um we went through the thing with puff now he paid me my money now we're even it's about getting even and a positive if I owe you something it's time to make that right all right you past that boy is just a crazy environment is being on bad boys like planned for armed what's the god name in Indiana Bobby Knight you gonna be good but you may be crazy afterwards I never I've never spoken ignite ever in my whole life yeah I know you said that one time the NFL approached you we speak it about sports to be their chaplain yeah like and even today there's people that reach out to me to be a chaplain even in the NBA because they understand that I understand the pressures of being a young a younger celebrity and also trying to balance doing right or what you think you name it should be so I think a lot of times you get millions of dollars but you don't know how to live that's gonna end up being a problem so a lot of people reach out for me with that I'm just trying to figure out how to put it all together right and you said you need to secure a whole new record contract situation that's currently where you're at right now to get this vision out no no I don't need a deal to do it much no all of the pieces that go into making a dough breaking and getting it out there yeah I mean if I have the the people that the people that the labels pretty much outsource everything to I already know so the sound with a label they would really have to do something that's just astronomical right - you're more determined to do it now that you're independent and have your feet to do it on your way and your turn on my own terms my own time that way if I want to drop the night I could drive tonight I like that feeling of control to be able to do what I see I feel like so long my vision hasn't gotten out there I've supported everybody else's vision Hansen enhance their vision but it's time to do my own and I learned a lot watching you know even jay-z make that decision of who he goes with and who he doesn't go with that was that was the biggest turning point what do you mean what's that like when people go to the next level they normally go to a higher place with a higher circle it's not it's not always with the person you started with hmm to me transitioning out of Rockefeller and that's it yeah sometimes I do new things you need a new circle yeah so I appreciate what everybody has done for me thus far but it's time for me to go to a new space okay well we're gonna be there which you may see so we gotta do this again part two we got go through the wreckage part - we gotta go through Oliver and really dissect it I'm through with it hey I'm ace thank you brother for coming by man peace out Marvel me RSVP mace yeah rap radar podcast yeah be died you yeah that was good

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Length: 95min 48sec (5748 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 26 2017