Randy Clark Kicks off Season 2! - Green Room S2E01

you would joyously come up to me and say and to tom and say i just want you guys to know that when i taught this week i sold more tapes than you did i sold more than you did [Music] hey everybody it's me will hart back again with season two of the iris global green room i know you guys have a lot of questions you have a lot of concerns about the plants i would like you to know that they died uh over the break and they actually died before the break and they're in a dumpster somewhere but we got these fancy new ones that can't die we had these basically last time and they just died we didn't water them or put light in them by them and the whole photosynthesis thing didn't work but i shouldn't talk about this stuff because i have my friend dr randy clark and i say that truly a friend a father in the faith a mentor someone who the reason i'm here today is because of him and what he's poured into me and sewn into me a great friend of my family um a champion of the faith a king of the faith the father of the toronto revival uh a lot of other accolades smarter than me better looking than me probably has a stronger heart than me right now we are here today season two are you ready for this randy i don't know if you're ready for this well i'm just sitting here amazed and i'm glad you're interviewing me now that you're 38 or 9. 37 37 rather than when you were 17 or 18 or 19 because your respect for me at that stage was quite different from what it is what it is now you were telling me how to do it better and oh god and you know who you really respected and you know you didn't want to be like me and i remember all those things it's just so good to let time be on my side there's a lot i'm just going to give people for those of you who don't know who randy is dr randy i'm going to start in the beginning with dr randy but if i can shift to the more formal yeah informal you mean informal yeah thank you for correcting me that's alright my podcast [Laughter] i know the more uh informal uh randy or you might even get a papa in there every once in a while for those who don't know who randy is he is probably best known uh as the father of the toronto revival and international speaker i uh uh yeah uh prophet he doesn't like that but prophet uh teacher evangelist and uh and and someone that fights for the faith and uh it is such an honor to have you here in our little studio here uh but thank you thank you for coming it's my joy to be with you to see what god's doing with you yeah the miraculous way he's using you uh when i saw you yesterday or the day before you reached up and you grabbed my chinny chin chin it was interesting but it was really wonderful do you like this no well i have to look at you twice to know who you are i'm not used to seeing you with a beard you've seen me in a lot of different phases of my life you've seen me in like the real skinny yeah 17 18 19 year old and you see me like the hey morbidly obese you're about to get diabetes mode and everything in between you've seen me unmarried married missions non-missions i've known you for a long time a long time so can i give people a little bit of a background about how i met and then and then i just want to go from there yeah so um i got saved in 1999 uh captain bob bradbury we could maybe chat about for a second kevin bob bradbury he was doing a meeting in hamilton massachusetts i walked in got radically saved the holy spirit fell on me and immediately i started traveling with him and he began to share with me the stories of yeah how he went to toronto in 1994 or five i believe it was and caught for you in toronto and at the end of the days that he caught for you you laid hands on him and said uh yeah it's time that you now catch the anointing and bob goes out gets started in ministry sells everything gets started in ministry six months later and starts cold calling churches from a phone book ends up in a methodist church fast forward six years ends up in hamilton this team little church hamilton massachusetts i'm there i get radically saved like i said i start traveling with him and within three months of me getting saved i ended up going to a conference with him i believe it was in somewhere in massachusetts uh at bill johnson's brother's church it was the first conference you had ever done with bill outside of i think your church or his church and bob was doing the kids you and bill were doing the they were doing the main the main services and that was where i heard you say i want to introduce to you bill johnson you don't know who he is but you will know him and his anointing will eclipse mine i was there three months after i was saved when you said that and uh and i got and i got invited into this world that's changed my life forever and i was doing the kids meetings with bob and the holy spirit would fall in the kids and then he would bring them into the meeting and and they would begin to minister to the adults that were in there and the first time i met you i don't know if you know this but the first time i met you was in that meeting he walked me up to you and said hey this kid's anointed i want him to walk around with you one night and so for a couple of maybe an hour i just trailed you and not knowing that i think it was probably two years later i packed up my little saturn and uh and drove out to pennsylvania where i started to travel with you full-time as one of your first group of interns yeah yeah and changed my life forever which makes you my spiritual son but you're also my spiritual grandson because bob bradberry was a spiritual son yeah and he was more jealous of doing it the way randy does than i ever was and if you said anything negative about me he was just he was just such a loyal and protective person yeah and as i think about captain bob uh he really did he walked away from like several hundred thousand dollar income a year back in the 90s yeah sold everything as you said but there was a special grace on him for touching kids and teenagers like nobody i've ever seen ever and as his spiritual son that same anointing is on your life like nobody else i know for just the holy spirit fall on kids and teenagers and i know that you must have got the faith forward and annoying for it following him funny thing is he took you to i know your story too you know you flunked spanish twice in high school spanish one three times three times spanish one three times and then you end up being dropped off in uh uh paraguay with nobody that can speak english and he leaves you there yeah and you learned spanish you found that you could learn spanish yeah you did it really well but you have um a lot of good people in your spiritual pedigree from which you have spiritual dna from them which makes you uniquely you yeah i i i don't understand why i've been chosen uh to have the experiences and the opportunity i know that some of it is just being in the right place at the right time some of it is just yeah i think working hard some of it's you didn't see that part of me early on in life that got developed a little bit later uh but some of it's just uh i think the hand of the lord and i don't know why i pinch myself when i get to think that i got to serve i have the privilege and i still do even though i still do have the privilege of serving two of the greatest revivalists on planet earth that have ever walked planet earth and calling them both friend and and and uh and father and that would be you and heidi and roland bob bob is in there as well he's known for those who he bob passed away a few years ago yeah and uh but i get to i don't know anybody else that that has had that opportunity and the weight the weight like that i feel and the responsibility that i feel is immense i wake up scared you know i'm making sure that i handle this well and there's tons of times i haven't and you've seen that you've you've you've mentored me through some of my biggest mistakes you have you really have right i worked on your humility was i full of pride randy tell me can i hear some of your some of your side of my you know i've had 43 i think at least 43 interns that traveled with me for a year and you and and jamie galloway and uh um came from came from reading uh brandon brandon sunburg were amongst the first three and uh uh you guys were with me the very first trip i took interns with me uh when i started this new stage because i had been school field back in missouri where i lived in st louis but anyway i remember the first night that i took you guys with me is the only time i've ever seen the glory cloud which had all this color and radiating lights and and and people and you guys just sought yourself and prostrated yourselves all three of you and it was just an amazingness i thought god you did that the very first night i took these young guys with me so at the very beginning you got to have one of the zenith moments of my whole life of almost 50 years now in ministry so i think that was a a a god thing for for you guys but yeah you're the only one no that when you came a lot of times i'd ask okay what are you for what do you feel like god's wanting you to be and you were the only one who was sure and i remember you came he had a great big black bible it must have been a 15 pounder or something and on the bottom it's got evangelist will heart which that always spoke to me here's somebody even though he's young he really already knows the call on this lie and i think this that was very important for you and as a great blessing because those that weren't quite sure they were at a disadvantage to really be as focused as you were um i know you want to have a lot of things a lot of more important things probably to talk about but i just want to share one thing one of the first trips we went to new york up in upstate new york and you had been given the global camera and one of your responsibilities was to take pictures of of me while i'm ministering and and and you got this amazing word of knowledge about a guy you saw it in a vision who was you know that's like 25 years ago but i still remember it and you saw him as he's exercising tear the muscles in here yeah and you gave all that by vision open vision you saw he was there and he gets healed and it was amazing i said wow i just think man will that's great but also remember not only how you got that great word of knowledge i remember when we got back from that trip and look at all the footage of rolls and rolls and rolls of picture it was maybe five percent of randy clark and 95 of will march this is the best i was uh i don't know see i didn't like i just liked handing the camera i don't remember this randy but i've i've heard you'd share this before it doesn't surprise me yeah yeah but you have laid your life down you've laid your life down in really serious ways and all that childish and when you were a boy and child you thought like a child but you've grown to this beautiful spiritual leader man of god full of faith i remember once i saw you in in you weren't working with me anymore and you were i think maybe had already gone and working as an intern for heidi at the time not in the capacity now but just like an intern for her and i was speaking in india and i i i started talking about you and your bravery your commitment i remember just weeping because i saw you there and i do hold you with that kind of love and respect it's your turn i i i tried to psych myself out not to i can't get emotional on this but whatever i don't care um you mention a lot of things that are that are key key moments in my life i think the cloud i don't really talk about it too much because i come under so much attack now yeah but i won't forget it and i won't those moments and i won't run from those things i think a lot of the spirit-filled movement because those things are so taboo and there's so many voices now that come against that sort of thing those moments are so pivotal in my life uh but the bob moments the the walking with you you know when i'm saved three months the i'll never forget when you first called me to come travel to you those those key mo moments getting in the car driving to virginia from pennsylvania or uh i think it was virginia or west virginia or something where that where that happened feeling the tangible presence of god i have had more encounters in the presence of god because of the platform that that you gave in that open door and i wouldn't be who i am if it wasn't for you and not just that but you believed in me when no one else did i it's i you know i have no education i have no i barely made it through high school you know and you you you open up these doors for me and i tell everybody everybody asked me like oh what was it like being with randy and i tell them all the amazing stories the you know the first stories like you know what did you see and all the miracles i'm so grateful for all those things all the miracles i saw witnessing the thousands and thousands of people get healed but but as i've grown as a father what you gave to me was not just the miracles of the laying out of hands it was a platform and it was i and i think it's the most i think it's the truest mark of humility and apostolic in leadership is is i have this platform and i and i'm and i trust you to carry it well in passing that on and nobody really does that like you and i've been around now for 20 years in in full-time ministry and nobody nobody does that i i don't know any ministers that that that do it like you do everybody you know they might have programs for two three four years and but within a week of traveling with you you would step to the side like a father arms crossed on the side of the stage and you and you'd go give words of knowledge and and and and it forced me to begin to step out into things that i'd never done before yeah and uh and there's no one else like you uh in that as far as that as that goes and i'm here because of it yeah i i remember i think it was in the new york meeting uh rather than the north carolina but in the new york meeting um you were there and i i leaned over and i said hey uh will um i want you to preach next and i which gave you just a matter of a few minutes to to get ready to preach in front of this at this conference yeah and i really never heard you preach and you're going to preach you have you're next up you have a few minutes i think later you said well randy why would you do that to me i wasn't you know and i said well i didn't want you to stress out so long the longer you would have known the more you would have stressed and so this time this way you had less stress always be ready and you got up and did a did a great job really yeah you did a great job yeah okay do you remember what i preached on you told stories you kind of like your spiritual father yeah so bob bob wasn't a preacher so i never got the preaching thing uh well bob he was such a he was such a bad preacher in the sense he didn't have any training he got he was a fisherman rough tough fisherman and he came out got full of power bob to this day he's one of the only people i know any time he would ask the holy spirit to come the manifest presence of god would drop into a room but he was still rough i watched bob grab grab a pastor once lift him up buy his shirt and pin him to a wall like he was he was fully peter like like in your face but bob he couldn't preach that well he couldn't even really talk that way he had a thick accent and he would he would take um messages that his pastor would would would type for him you know you know the pastor i'm talking about i think and he would and i would have to tape them in so my job traveling to bob was get him ready and and i would ask him which message he had maybe five or six that he preached and uh i would tape them into his bible so when he could hold his bible it looked like he was reading from the bible he was really just you know he was really reading the scriptures from from the page and so i didn't learn to preach from bob but i didn't learn how to how to move in the anointing yeah and then from you i learned how to preach how to move in the anointing how to how to how to have a grid for theology right i never valued theology not at all like not an iota like not one bit and i and i and i think even the whole time i was with you i was like whatever you know the first day we landed we laid it in your house do you remember this we we went up into your study and you gave us a reading list we were going to be interns with you for a year and you did a give us a reading list and i'm not i think was 42 or 46 books he had to read anything at least in a year yeah and i was like i barely graduated high school this isn't what i've this isn't what i came here for and i think i only did four of those books in the whole year i think but i but i was amongst friends we i don't none of us really did any of the reading that year but now you know as i've grown and as i've you know spent time working with pastors and leaders around the world i realize and i think i even emailed this to you recently like i screwed up my whole time you didn't i not that you screwed up because you did email me at comment no like i and there's and that's something that you bring not just to what what we have but you bring to the charismatic movement on in a whole and i think it's something you really value and i never had a value for that but but every every day i was with you all this time we were traveling i i saw that you're like hey you have to value this you have to value theology you have to value where people are coming at in their you know in their theology and meet them in their theology and not just you know say it's bad but but see see god in what they're doing and build a bridge to build a bridge come across and experience his presence yeah i'll never used to say you know use this word to a baptist use this word to a pentecostal use and it all means the same thing but you're you're meeting them in their theology and i never i never uh i never cared for any of that but i think it was i don't know a few months ago i the one regret i have in my time of being with you is that i never took that seriously and i had so just to get a time give people a timeline i got saved in 99 i moved to paraguay for about two years so 2000 2001 i came back from from paraguay in 2001 and i was home for about six months maybe eight months and then i got the phone call from you where i spent the next three years traveling with you working with you uh working with global awakening as it was growing as god was just expanding global awakening then at the end of those three years um we left to go be with heidi and roland for three years had a couple of kids there got married with you in your i got music and i got married in your kitchen right do you remember that oh man that was a good day i really enjoyed that day i bet uh then three years in uh three years in mozambique then we came back did like a year of trying to find our own and then we spent another eight the next eight years full-time back at global awakening and at the end of that came back on with iris so i've kind of like hop scotch between two the both of you guys uh hopefully you got the best out of both uh well i'm not done yeah hey i'm looking for a job randy no i'm just kidding i'm just kidding heidi but but one of my biggest regrets is that three years i didn't put a value on theology and learning that from you and uh you would always try to engage with me in these deep discussions and i was like whatever like we got the power like all these you know you know like that that's let the power speak for itself and uh the older i get and the more i'm around a younger generation the more i'm trying to raise up leaders um yeah i wish i wish i had that piece tell me a little bit about that because you've developed uh seminaries can you talk about that for a little bit because i think there's no one in our movement that values in the pentecostal charismatic side that values that like you do well before i do that there's one little thing i want to interject into your storyline there um and you probably already know this so when you came back from paraguay and the six months before i call you to come assist me on one trip kind of test to see if i can i remember that i can stand hanging out with you or not you know because some people can be really be irritating i want to just want to make sure that we could get along and we i really liked you um but the reason why you got that call was bob i didn't know this fill me in oh you didn't know no not at all so we're having this meeting at life center up up in this room and bob was present with my key inner circle of people speaking of my life and bob said to me uh randy i got this young guy his name is will hart and i've taken him paraguay he's been here for two years eighty percent of the people he's laying hands on are getting healed and i've taught him everything i can teach him i can't teach anymore you need to take him under your wing really yeah and i said okay bob i'll give him a call so it was bob's recommendation to open that door for you because i really didn't know you no way yeah so so when i here's just when i told bob that you called me i knew it was going to be hard for him because i was traveling with him full time he was my he was my dad he was my spirit but he wasn't just a spiritual father he was like i was he didn't have any kids so i was his only kid and when i told him that i was leaving him basically yeah to be with you he got very sad like and almost offended but he's the one who recommended i do it i called i ended up calling lance and and saying lance because we we were friends and he was bob's pastor for though i said lance i can't i don't know what to do i'm i'm making bob angry and but i have this opportunity that i feel like is the lord and lance actually sat me through and taught me it was my first like land session where he taught me how to navigate he actually gave me a book about how to navigate having difficult conversations with leaders that i still have to this day and that was the first time that i had us my spiritual father like not come against me please like this isn't a bad thing like we've worked through it but i that was my first step in going i have to make a really difficult decision and it's going to hurt somebody that i love all right but you need to know sometimes you can mistake anger for grief yeah or i said it backwards you can understand you can misinterpret grief for anger yeah bob was working through letting you go but he knew he needed to let you go because he couldn't take you where you needed to go so in the heart of a real father he sacrifices his love of the relationship with you to give you to me because he loves you i believed in you same way yeah when we say you want to go to heidi you need she needs you yeah we bless you it's hard can you talk about that well you are first associate evangelist first one is i'm looking to begin to slow down as i get began to get older to know that all right we have this strong guy that we've been put pouring into for all these years he's strong he's he's got his gifts and he brings something special and and you're you know yes this is so exciting and then and it's it's fine i've already knows it you know what i'm fine with it i i don't begrudge it at all it's yes because i know that heidi needed you even more um but it was like in a way remember the nathan's story to david about this one guy only had one sheep and the other person had a whole bunch of sheep and they took the watching i felt like i feel like all right you're my one sheep and i took you and and that no no bitterness or anger upset i'm not it but it was just there was a sense of loss um but in the whole thing of the kingdom when you're willing to give not knowing what's going to happen the day you were leaving three young men came to harrisburg i think that day as you were leaving they're coming and those three would all end up being associates of our ministry and so god honored it honored it for everybody and every way around and so you know you're always going to be a spiritual son there's always going to be a connection and and um so before i get too emotional i want to go back to the i want to go back to the education side you mentioned can we can we go back to the education side but can we just can i uh that probably i've made a lot of i've made a lot of hard phone calls in my life and and the decision to leave and and i look at it i do look at it and this is very easy for me to look at it that way the decision i made to leave was was the most difficult decision i've ever had to make in ministry and i there are days that i regret it well there are days that i that i that i ask god did i make the right decision and i miss that i miss being around you i miss being around your family josh you know josh was over at my house last night that's your son your oldest son who worked very close like tanya like we've done life together yeah you know and i miss that i really miss it and yeah i when i made that phone call to you and i was in i think i was in indonesia is it okay are you okay talking about this yeah yeah i was and then because i think my perspective is god's gonna teach you in these years while you're away you're gonna he's gonna teach you a lot that's gonna be valuable and so yeah you know and i've experienced the same thing i've experienced my my best and my closest leaving ones that i you know were putting and i think you might know who i'm talking i do and i curled up in the bed and i didn't leave for two days i haven't experienced pain like that and it's not and i love and i love them and i right i'm so grateful and there's other people in this room like we wept together i've never felt a loss like that and that was just on one scale that wasn't even on the skill probably that you were that was just like a friendship slash team team member you know that i was but but i don't even know what that what that looks like i'm so sorry if i ever well i'm in a bad place i mean i need to apologize because i don't feel like that you in in any way or i uh went about it in a a non-honoring way being trying to be careful to you know to honor and do it a in a very good way and i don't want people listening to things hey there's a problem there is no problem no trauma between you and i no problem between heidi and i rolling we love each other sometimes just saying yes to god is not easy yeah and sometimes when we look at it and even in the midst of the the hard times uh it's it's a real school of character of surrender of learning and learning things that god knows i'm going to put something in you're going to learn out of this experience that's going to be beneficial to you down the road and beneficial to maybe to me down the road so if if i was to do it differently then i'm and i'm serious right now like if i was to ever do this differently if we were to do it all over again what would you do differently is there anything or is there anything that i could have done differently i know i'm not i'm i'm honestly because i have a younger generation that watches this that is like yeah i don't even know what they're talking about i have people that have been through maybe pastors that have been through situations with spiritual sons like how can we do this better how can we do this differently okay well i don't mean this facetiously i actually do mean it because it's going to sound a little bit funny i'm ready i need to laugh if i would have known you only read four of those 40-some odd books i would have really got after you and said i would have really tried to will you don't understand you do need to learn you do need to read more you need to you know i really would have tried to um let you know that this has really helped you down the road and so same way with jamie and others they only read four of them okay guys what a disappointment on that yeah so because power anointing presence is extremely important but under understanding how to talk about it and defend it biblically and and and just being able to understand when somebody said they're having a struggle why they're having that struggle so that you know how to build a bridge to them yeah you know right now the most places i'm seeing the greatest hunger and actually being used is amongst the traditional baptist in brazil it happened about four years ago we had a meeting in the largest traditional baptist church like a southern baptist church here cessationist and all heaven broke loose and as a result before we left we had calls from several of the largest baptist churches in the state in the nation of brazil the largest of several states and for the last four years we've won three or four of them a year all of them with several thousand members and they are hungry and they're and they are affecting thousands of other churches between these three churches i'm working with baptist denomination they actually are affecting thousands of other churches throughout all of latin america and and just one of them has like a million and a half people in cell groups every week throughout the nation that's that's related to churches they trained in both spirit and structure wow power of holy spirit and in how to maintain a structure to give pastoral care and discipleship to them and then so that's one group and the other group of uh two years ago for about two years was a reform denomination that is uh cessations meaning they did not believe any of the sign gifts tongues prophecy interpretation tongues miracles or healings those five those five didn't exist anymore and uh they came to me when i was in germany paul martini was with me at the time and said we are the president and vice president of a whole denomination of hundreds of reformed dutch dutch reform type churches and we have been cessation and since reformation and we've we want to change wow i we we want you to come because you understand our theology you know how to talk to us you can build a bridge and we want you to help transition this whole movement to believe in the gifts of for today yeah so so we had traditional baptists the reformed which is the most cessationist of all in the roman catholic church and i just did a big meeting for one of the largest meetings in america for the charismatic catholics by a priest i laid hands on an orlando young guy who was just on fire for god and then one of the leading scholars in the catholic church for the charismatic side she's the editor of a whole commentary on new testament she wrote commentary on hebrews and mark amazing woman she went with me as a part of a big team to brazil a few years ago in less than two weeks so she had to leave a few days early she went from there to a large gathering of roman catholics in europe she's one of the speakers she gets a word of knowledge right before at the very end of her talk now she knows she has no time to even inspect to see if she's right so she just gave it and stepped off the stage and the next speaker up had took time to have to compose himself because her word was for him wow and he got healed wow before he got up there wow and so she since then within a year came back from that trip with us wrote a book on healing through the basically to like the american well just not the americans and many other languages now and in it it has a chapter on the five-step prayer model really that she had learned uh from us and so this young priest was talking about uh father thalin and matthias thalen uh he's really young as a phd and teaches in detroit he came back and you know when i prayed for him he had no manifestations unlike others that was knocked to the floor shook cried laughed all that stuff none of that he just got on his knees held his hand up and i prayed for him he and another guy named patrick layman spirit of god neither had any manifestations but immediately both of those guys got an anointing for healing and this priest now uh teaches at the seminary and takes young catholic seminarians about to be ordained as priests onto the streets of detroit to lay hands on the sick and do street evangelism in prophecy and so some friends of mine in my last church in saint louis who are my worship leaders they heard him at bickle at the one um one thing conference and he had a catholic track and this guy uh was speaking and they're looking at each other and they're saying this sounds like randy and as he keeps speaking he said this is like having a recording of randy because they were my best friends for like 16 years in that church and and finally they said that's even his illustrations and then father uh thalen said i just want to give credit to dr randy clark who's influenced me so much he'd been listening to my tapes so the catholic church so a few weeks ago i met with the bishop of the whole diocese of the catholic church in green bay wisconsin and the soonest we can do it is uh between pentecost between eastern pentecostal 2022 i'll be 70 years old my god in 2022. really yeah and he said i want you to come and i'll i will have all of our priests the whole diocese i think it's 160 some odd priests and i want you to lay hands on them i'm going to have them read there's more yeah and i want you to pray for them activation they need it and then hopefully they want to have try to get all the catechist the people who teach the catechism of the faith to the young ones that's about to be confirmed i want you to teach them i want you to lay hands on those guys because we had talked i said you need to get those guys teaching those young persons that's about to be confirmed to do like truly and others to expect the spirit of god to come yeah to expect to be filled with the holy spirit as they're having hands laid on them and and i said and i need you to expect as you are in an apostolic office you're a bishop in the catholic church that is apostolic so you need that power yeah that when you lay hands to stir up the gifts in in those persons as being confirmed that they really do get stirred up yeah that it becomes realities it's oh i want that so much and so he you know he writes me he's telling me i'm getting ready to do a confirmation i'm going to lay hands on him i'm getting ready to send some people out you know will what's so exciting and that's what i want others to see if we quit building and focusing on our differences and see that what we have in common is more important yeah our love for jesus our dependence on his holy spirit uh are are wanting the father to receive glory uh that the world may know that and and see that we love each other and that there we could be one even as the son the father one that there could be not so much necessarily because i don't have enough faith for that yet a total doctrinal agreement but what i call an ecumenist ecumenism of the holy spirit when as i'm talking to you and you may be presbyterian or baptist or catholic or pentecostal or holiness or whatever as we talk i sense your love for jesus and the reality of his spirit in your life and to me that transcends all the nuances of what we may believe about the second coming or calvinist armenian or or whatever it may be the reality is what makes us a christian isn't our perfect doctrine but our experience of being born again his spirit living in us and some people unlike myself they can't tell you when they were saved bill johnson can't yeah he just always said yes to god right he said i can't tell you the date i remember for me but i used to think if you don't if you don't have that then i question whether or not you're safe i've grown up too you know i've i've learned a lot when i was 18 first started preaching i thought if you don't have that if you don't have the language like if someone doesn't know what it means to be born again then they're not born again and then i pastored another denomination and that wasn't part of their language and i met these people some of them weren't born again right some were just big hypocrites but then there were others that they had a precious relationship with jesus christ but they didn't have my language right but they had the experience and they in the sense of the experience i'm talking about is not necessarily like i did went to a mourner's bench and alder and prayed through but they had an experience of a real living relationship with jesus they loved him and they knew him that was important for me to gain at 20 years old to realize it's you you can have a reality without talking about it in the same way so i found if you will love and honor and try to build a bridge uh rather than being so dogmatic yeah that god will give you favor and not everybody gets to cross over and preach in all these denominations like i've been able yeah able to and part of it is part of it is the education part of its heart attitude and you know uh i would also say that you're hand chosen and i it can i just i want to say a couple things this is sure it's your podcast no no i this is not to flatter you but do you lay in bed at night ever and go i i will go down in the history as one of the most influential voices in christ in christianity in the last i mean years i mean if you think about it if you think about what toronto just toronto alone the impact that that had on reshaping the expression of of faith the pentecostal expression of faith the gifts of the spirit like what you're talking about is is massive but it's only a small percentage of the way that god has used you i mean 1994 first of all you were used in the vineyard in the vineyard movement just that alone people would give their right arm to have walked with john wimber and and that and just that alone you were already a part of that and then at great risk and fear you stepped out in into toronto and got the word from richard test me now test me now test me now god could have chosen anyone anyone and i know that you don't think yourself highly in this manner none of none of none of us do but he did choose you and that's a sovereign thing of course the humility of course you were hungry john you know all who are thirsty then come to me and drink like you were there you were thirsty but but but what toronto what happened in toronto the the millions of people have been touched just by that one outpouring right and weight is it really is millions yeah they're just i'm here this whole thing is here right now be just iris iris global yes it was the hunger of heidi and roland yes it was their humility to go anywhere but when they when the power of god fell on on her in 1995. that that that changed everything and a revival broke out in mozambique and then the thousands and the millions that have been touched just as fruit of that one bill johnson i mean bill i've even heard bill say it i'm where i'm at because of what god did in toronto and so if you just think of the fruit from from that that outpouring that ignited something and bill that jesus called by you know jesus culture bethel music the worship now that's playing around around the world the world is seeded back to to you standing up there in toronto and inviting the holy spirit to come and god could have done it anyway we know that and there and there are other outpourings that are equally important and rodney howard brown as by your own admittance played a huge role in that as well but but that one it all goes back to this one point right now we're about to go to brazil right and and uh dunamis with with teflo hayashi one of the largest movements in all of brazil that carries the word the power the the the prophetic the prayer in a young younger generation they're on over 400 campuses and it's growing we're there's going to be i think over 250 000 packed out into three stadiums across brazil he used to run around and translate for you like and he had other spiritual followers but just that just the seeds that you put inside of him you know just brazil alone nobody was going to brazil they were all divided by their denominations and their apostles and and i and i traveled around with you in brazil i've been in brazil over 55 times i've been 114. my god i've been in brazil over 55 times mostly with you and and you just going around from denomination to denomination going just crying out for unity and a move of the spirit like the way that god hasn't just used you once and i know a hundred stories of people that were used once but but time after time after time after time after time after time do you ever just like honestly do you ever lay down and just go wow this is amazing like for me i go i've done a couple of darren wilson's movies that's about it you know like do you ever lay down and just go i i can't believe at how rich god richly god has used me it's amazing christianity on the planet has been shaped comple we are we are living in a whole different season because of the way that god's used your life i know i i what i do think about is what i've got to see and what i've got to see what i mean by that what i've got to see god do signs and wonders the affecting of the church with the big c uh that what i've got to see what i've got to hear the testimonies and what i've got to experience yeah it that's one of the things i'm always in the evenings and going to sleep it's one of the thing i'm thanking god because i am aware that i've been very um fortunate and there is like you say there is a sovereignty of god a call that when wimber first met me god already knew what he was going to do and john wimber heard god's voice first two times he met audibly which was a rare thing for wimber which i've never heard and he said when i was older one day god was going to send me around the world to pray for pastors and leaders i've been trying to be faithful to that and it's many many years later it's about 35 years after that experience still trying to be faithful trying to as i grow older how to continue to be faithful i keep thinking of the prayer if you'll touch me one more time i prayed if you'll touch me one more time right before i went to see rodney howard brown if you'll touch me one more time i'll go anywhere i'll do anything and how to you know what does that mean god now 35 years or 25 26 years later you know there's a different stage of life different family needs you know different you know i i think about that i i try to try and hear from god but i also feel that in making this transition i also feel that in the midst of all these things it's not it's not done and one of the most important things as my uh board asked me about i don't know now six seven years ago you're doing a lot of things and global really does do a lot of different things global awakening and and i they said we don't we want to keep you focused and that probably is something i need help with this focus but they said what's the most important thing that you're supposed to be doing and i i well i didn't have to think about it just it just came right out of my mouth the most important thing i can do with the rest of my life is invest it into other sons and daughters multiply myself and sons and daughters and and in doing that i literally and seriously uh and very intentionally um this this last two years and i don't want to go forward i'm looking for people not just not to find fit a position but people that i feel they've got the right heart that i can become a for a while a spiritual mentor or father to them to sow into them to find [Music] the to find the ones who will go and carry fire and stand on the platforms and preach to the stadiums and the ones who do that but also the ones who will have the wisdom to know how to run behind the scenes all i mean there's a there's a side of ministry most people don't understand yeah that that if it doesn't work back at the offices it makes it very difficult for what goes on for those out there but also to find um the people who will be the next round of teachers professors at our colleges seminaries our training institute all the different things that we have because i do feel one of the threats to revival is bad theology including cessationism which is in my opinion not biblical and lots of people are influenced in our culture i was telling somebody i tell my son on the way here i said one of the things that bothers me is just how much america is still the la it is the last bastion of cessationist theology is in the united states that you don't see it that strong it's falling apart all over the world in england they said amongst the anglicans we don't have any cessations anymore that's a dead issue we don't even have it all of our pastors none of them believe in cessation now we do have some liberal ones still that's that's another theological issue i don't want to cut you off but just for a younger generation that's watching this that doesn't know what cessationism is it's just the gifts ceased with the apostles that's the book five signed gifts it's not a biblical term but yeah tongues interpretation tongues healing miracles and prophecy or prophecy is reinterpreted as preaching right i i don't want to cut you off but you know i i know there's so many so there's so there's you know i'm and the other thing i'm looking for right now very intentionally finding younger 30s 20s 30s 40s pastors who have the potential to become very successful pastors in the sense of growing strong churches that believe in the gifts of the spirit not afraid of the manifestations of god's presence but will also be sowing into missions planting churches and and developing ministries to the poor that can become uh for the for the first time now in our network we're beginning to get churches of four 500 800 900 000 uh and and and looking for the ones who also can be the ones who can become coaches and work with other pastors if they just they needed someone to help them coach them so i'm looking at a holistic way at the movement so that we have those who will raise up and be good teachers who can spot heresy yeah uh who can who can spot could cause it's just not weird teachings in the charismatic movement that concerned me it's weird teachings in the evangelical right uh and in pentecostalism even where particularly with universalism it's how it's growing and yeah this generation can you talk about that for a second because and i don't i'm not trying to cut you off i really am not but this is something that i wanted to get to anyway there's there's a generation that's watching right there's a generation that has no idea what the toronto revival was right that was 20 years ago 20 26 27 20. i don't know 94. yeah so i mean i've been in ministry yeah 20 years now and for me i just take it for granted but but there's a whole generation that just has been born into the move of the spirit that has continued to grow and there's also a lot of real garbage theology that's come out of this pressing into the presence not going deep in the scripture i'm hearing something you know hell doesn't exist i'm hearing you know there's that huge rise and and a lot of really yes sketchy theology yeah everybody's gonna go to heaven no right no one will have what jesus says so the sins that shall die right no one's gonna have the uh thrown to the lake of fire with second death they just don't believe that everybody is going to uh have eternal life and that's a it's a really uh it's popular because it fits in our culture and what we struggle with is for the first time in our secular society we we had a values clarification that was based upon relativism and there are no absolutes and so one of the worst things is you're a bigot if you disagree with anybody and if you think you're the your ways the right way and but christian faith that's exactly what it does believe that jesus is the way and there is no other way and but but but the culture set up to be open to more toward a universalism everybody gets to go yeah and eventually everybody will be there and uh uh and for the first time in history in the charismatic movement that now is being taught among some charismatic teachers yeah and it's being taught and it's only started in the last 10 years oh yeah so it's something new the whole thing for the church and for the catholic church would begin to come into it though it's never been accepted as the truth uh but there are some that's hopefully called hopefully universalist hopefully everybody can make it uh and that only started since this you know introduced in the 60s but really in the 70s uh or became stronger pentecostals with uh cotton is it pearson um he was a pentecostal um he began to be a universalist rob bell evangelicals they got some of their uh so one in my course at the seminary i have a course called christian eschatology yeah it's eight weeks long first four weeks is traditional study of last things there was what eschatology means the study of the last things and so the first four weeks and it's it's like this would be a 16 weeks put into eight so you don't take two courses because there is a lot of reading first four weeks is traditional eschatology you know what's going to happen right millennium rapture that kind of stuff when you know pre-post uh whatever just traditional and the last four weeks is on personal eschatology where it focuses on for four weeks we study what happens to you from the time you die until after the last judgment what are the different views we that we have two volume thirteen hundred pages book on uh called the redemption of the devil which the guy does not believe in the redemption of the devil but that's part of universalism the devil gets redeemed yeah and it's the most thorough book i've ever read now i read it i put it into 200 a slide presentation 200 slides to reduce they don't have to read 1 300 pages and get to the essence of it right but so you know we look at the traditional view we look at the conditional immortality view and then we look at the universalist view and i i think it's i did it on purpose because i felt like this generation is not grounded well no and this is the best i have been able to find my friend who teaches at st louis university dr michael mccliman who's been to mozambique by the way really i i saw him weeping in the dirt in mozambique and he did a two-hour interview with me and stuff but i've seen him in many places he is pentecostal it's a catholic seminary but he's divinity school but he's pentecostal and he's one of the greatest you know scholars of our time for uh i mean he's just a real brilliant guy yeah and it's a wonderful work but it need it's neces it's needed in his day yeah so i felt like we need a theology upon which the gifts of the spirit solidly set not just like here's traditional theology reformed theology and tacked on to it as the gifts of the spirit yeah more than that we need to to have a radical looking look like look at the roots and developing a theology that just much more let the bible say what it is because it's so strong right if you just take the glasses off to see how strong the emphasis is on the the fulfilling the gospel is done through his power that accompanies the preaching but the sign gifts are the gifts were never meant to prove the doctrine right beside these gifts were given to be an expression of the gospel itself you can't have the full gospel where there is no power come on period it's just it the gospel is for us getting to heaven can be heard but the gospel the kingdom it's not any time that it's presented but there's no presence power and this and the gifts of his holy spirit we're falling short of new testament understanding of the kingdom so gospel the kingdom all of you guys that are listening uh you're getting a summary of how many years you've been in ministry 49 and a third 49 years how many nations i think 54 but a lot of them i've been to yeah 50 20 times 50 times 100 times 54 nations almost 40 years in full-time ministry three doctorates three doctorates a master's and my bachelor's in religious studies and you're an amazing father you're an amazing husband i've seen that i've been in your house yeah one of the things i'm most proud of is all for my kids love me and my wife they do and they love god yeah and they're good people yeah they got good hearts and if you win the world lose your own family yeah you've not been successful i want to give god the credit for that i've cried many a night in hotels lonely yeah uh you don't talk about i know exactly what you're feeling like i'm going to lose my kids because i'm gone so much and praying god just you touch them one touch from you can make up for yeah you know it's a supernatural touch of god can really but i'm just very grateful and to my wife to deanne because she she she basically half of my life their life she raised them like a single mother because i was gone half the time at least but also there's the grace of god that god has been faithful i would pray god i'm giving my life to serve your son and all i ask he said you take care of my kids wow well i i i there isn't much more to say um if you can just listen to the last 20 minutes and just glean that from this podcast i think you would be you would be listening to many many many years of wisdom and a culmination of a worldwide perspective in the advancing the gospel and i agree with everything that you have said i have had i've actually had to disas not disassociate but people that i've been so aligned with for years that have gone off i've had to i've had to say we're going to just disagree on this and uh randy uh we we've gone overtime which is fine for me there is no time limit on this i could sit here with you for days and just share stories and i pray we get to do it another time and just share stories i um i am so grateful for you and your family and your i even named my first son after josh who's sitting there in the corner and then like the the where i'm at in life is is is by a few people the the probably the greatest is is the influence that you've had in my life the platforms that you have given me i i am here because of that and i never deserved any of it but what you saw me and my wife um and and the opportunities that you gave us with with joy at cost of your own ministry the cost of your own time from your from your own family yeah i'm forever grateful for it can i end this with a story you can do whatever you want you can end it with story before you do is there anything you want to share the viewers any way they can connect with you anything any books or well like whatever yeah i will i will concede the end of the podcast to you well several things one if you want to get in touch with us know more about us our web site is globalawakening.com where we have our own bookstore because our books are also available we can get them on kindle or other bookstores or through amazon but it's more of a blessing to us if you buy them through our bookstore the other thing is we have the training lots of training for especially healing deliverance inner healing it's called the christian healing certification program we also have another certification program on prophecy we have training school one or two years third year internship but we also have the global awakening theological seminary and that's a two-year master or a three-year master divinity and then if you already have a master's we have the randy clark scholars which is at a united methodist seminary where we've had around 100 people either in the program or gone through and received their doctor's degree we have about 100 students in our seminary it's totally online it's we wanted to be uh affordable it's about a third of what most seminaries charge half to a third we got great teachers it's amazing i it is i'm very very excited about it i love teaching that it myself i write some of the uh programs and all so that's some ways of getting in touch with us plus we go all over the world we have about i think 14 trips this year we have regional conferences where we teach for three to four days at a time on different things you can get all that information at globalawakening.com and then uh i trying to think of the story i wanted to tell sorry i didn't mean to change it about you i have a ton of great stories about you but i don't know if i can share them here on this podcast yeah it was a i can't think of it now yeah listen when you remember it come back yes we'll share it another time i i love you so much randy i'm so grateful you can come in and hang out with hang out with us oh i know it i love you too here it is i thought of it came back thank you jesus thank you holy spirit the mind of christ thank you lord i'm ready for it okay i would say one of the signs that i am a good spiritual father i didn't think i would be and i was afraid of it i ran from until god really through heidi spoke to me about it but that you would have the courage and the freedom and a sense of security that it won't affect my love for you that you would joyously come up to me and say and to tom and say i just want you guys to know that what i taught this week i sold more tapes than you did i sold more than you did you have to be really secure and you know in your father's love that that won't offend me and it's not going to in any way put you in a bad place and i actually can truly celebrate it well that was a really joyous day i am not being facetious i do want you and all of my spiritual kids to be more come on to sell more i love you randy i love you so much thank you thank you love you too love you okay you live longer you'll get wiser i'm i'm trying to live longer i'm trying to work on my heart this this voluptuous rubenesque body of mine um anyway guys uh yeah thank you for watching uh this has been the greatest podcast i've ever done and you guys got to be a part of it uh like click subscribe share do all the things that a younger generation tells you do on their videos that i don't really know what those things are uh pray for our plants pray for randy and uh listen we do this for free because we love you guys and and irish global loves you we want to see you grow in the lord and grow in your faith and i hope that this podcast is a part of that so share it give it out and we will see you on the next uh iris global green room love you guys thank you randy thank you come on thank you will you're awesome thank you

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Published: Thu Apr 08 2021