Porsche's Hybrid Tiger, the Tiger P | Cursed by Design

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It has become a running joke that German  tanks were prone to mechanical failures.   This certainly has some truth to it with one  prime example being the final drives on early   Panthers being exceptionally fragile. However one  vehicle and its variants have become the primary   target of many of these jokes largely due to  its rivalry with the famous Henschel Tiger.   Our focus today is on the lesser known German  Heavy known as the Porsche Tiger or Tiger(P).   Often we have heard the story of this tank  and its unreliable electric transmission which   caused it to easily catch fire. What if I told  you that neither of those issues were actually   true? The tank certainly wasn't perfect but  stay tuned to learn the real story behind   this heavy tank and how it failed for different  reasons than you may have previously believed. As I mentioned in the intro, tanks and  other armored vehicles are often prone to   breakdowns as well as being fairly supply heavy to  operate. 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I can wholeheartedly say that they  blew me away and that I enjoyed all the meals   I selected. I even had several friends try Factor  as well and they agreed that they were both easy   and delicious. So try Factor for yourself using  the code POGCOAMAR50 for 50% off your first box   using the link on screen and in the description.  Thanks again to them for both the delicious food   and for supporting my content now let's get  back to what you clicked on this video for. Living in the shadow of its cousin the Henschel  Tiger, the Porsche Tiger is often dismissed as   little more than a failed rival of the more  iconic design. This in many ways is true with   Porsche being contracted to create a 25 to 30  ton tank design several years after Henschel   had already been hard at work on vehicles like  the Durchbruchswagen. However, the competition   between the two firms was hardly one sided and the  Tiger we know today did not win by a landslide.  Although it would not be born for another  several years, the Porsche Tiger’s conception   can be traced back to late 1939. At that time  the requirements were a vehicle in the 25 to 30   ton weight class fitting a 7.5cm Kw.K. L/24  or a larger 10.5cm cannon if possible. From   the very start Porsche’s tank was to be different  with him deciding a mechanical transmission would   not be enough for such a heavy beast and instead  electric generators and hydraulic drives would be   necessary. This would result in the first ancestor  to the Porsche Tiger, known as the Type 100,   with a sketch completed on the 9th of December  1939. This vehicle would be 8 meters long,   3 meters wide, with a height of 2.25 meters.  Over the course of development this tank,   like many German vehicles, would be referred to  by a variety of names. Most recognizable to the   casual viewer would probably be “VK 30.01(P)”  with the 30 referring to its weight which   unsurprisingly was around 15 tons under the  vehicle's actual weight. The tank would ride   atop Porsche's take on the torsion bar system  which unlike other German designs used bogey   pairs mounted externally rather than internal  ones like those found on the Panther or Tiger.  By early 1941 contracts were awarded for  production of three test vehicles with   Krupp to provide hulls, Steyr to provide  engines, and Siemens-Schueckert to provide   the electrical components. It was also around  this point that the armament was increased to   the 8.8cm Kw.K L/56 making the Porsche design the  first to utilize this armament. On a side-note,   it is often said that the invasion of the Soviet  Union was what drove the Germans to move to the   more powerful 88mm to deal with T-34s and KVs.  In reality the capabilities of that armament were   already clear and the need for more powerful  cannons had been shown during the invasion   of France with vehicles like the Char B1 and  Matildas. Even for the Tiger program itself   the “T-34 shock” did play a role in increasing  the development and production speed of the   vehicles but these designs predated the invasion. Back to the VK 30.01 (P), it was powered by twin   V-10 gasoline engines. With this the tank had  a total of 420 horsepower which would power the   electric generators. These in turn would provide  power to the drive sprockets. Unfortunately   nothing regarding the testing for the Type 100  seems to have survived outside of some photos   showing it during testing with a simulated turret  weight. The hull itself was built with soft steel   as by this point the orders for 30.01 armor plates  were canceled in favor of armored hulls for the   new VK 45.01 (P). This new design designated as  the Type 101 by Porsche was essentially the same   as the previous with only a few changes. The  biggest alteration from the previous design   was the major increase in armor thickness with  the front now boasting 100mms and the sides and   rear being 80mms thick. The engines were the  second major change remaining as dual V-10   gasoline engines but now upgraded to output 310  horsepower a piece for a total of 620 horsepower.   These would still provide their power for electric  generators but the drive sprocket was moved from   the front to the rear freeing up space in the  drivers compartment. The turret would remain the   same as the previous design although alongside  the development of the hull it would receive   improvements. Around this time it was also decided  to use this same turret for Henschel’s VK 45.01 as   many of you likely already figured out. This would  also mark the point when the name “Tiger '' would   begin to be attached to the vehicle with the  previous design being referred to as “Leopard”.  1 month after the invasion of the Soviet Union on  July 22nd 1941 Porsche would submit a contract to   Krupp for 100 VK 45.01(P) hulls and 100 turrets.  Usually in articles or videos about the Porsche   Tiger this is the portion where the story of  Porsche being so confident in his design that   he ordered these only to have his tank fail  during trials. This certainly has some merit   as Hitler had only ordered 6 prototypes  of the Porsche and Henschel designs. This   story overlooks the fact that in the same month  Henschel would also receive a contract from the   German Armored Vehicle design office for 100 VK  45.01(H) hulls. Considering Hitler and Porsche   were close friends combined with the fact that  Porsche had fairly quickly developed a vehicle   which Henschel had spent years working on it’s  understandable why he and others may have had   more confidence in the Porsche design. That being  said it’s clear from surviving documents that the   army was not as enthused by the Porsche  vehicles compared to their Fuhrer. With   this additional context the extremely rushed  nature of both Tigers seems to have led both   designs to be fast tracked into production  before either had finished their first vehicle.  Earlier I mentioned that Porsche had his sights  set on not just electrical generators to drive   the tanks but also hydraulics. This would be seen  in the next alteration to the VK 45.01(P) with   Porsche informing Krupp that 50 of the 100 total  hulls that had been ordered were to be configured   for this system. This design was designated  Type 102 and externally differed very little   from its electric sibling. Interestingly these  two similar yet distinctly different vehicles   are strikingly similar to the American heavy tank  program being worked on during this period which   would become the M6 as we have discussed in a  previous video. This idea for the Porsche Tiger   would turn out to be a fool's errand though with  only one of these ever being tested in the hull.  Other short lived ideas for the vehicle  included emergency hatches in the vehicles   sides which were removed due to the fact  that they weakened the armor. There was   also a concept to mount a 105mm cannon into a  larger turret but this would only see limited   development never leaving the drawing board. The first 4 hulls would be finished by December   1941, with a total of 64 hulls completed  by July of 42. Despite the fairly large   number of hulls available the first complete  tank would not be ready until April with only   10 completed by October 1942. These production  issues were largely attributed to issues with   the engines. The first Type 101 engine had been  finished quickly and was delivered in December   of 41 but equally as quickly showed a flaw in  the design. Foaming was found within the engine   oil which caused bearings to fail. This issue  was quickly resolved and the next engine proved   this as it ran without any foaming. Despite  this the engine would continue to have issues   due to cooling and rapid wear, unsurprising  for a new design, but still a major issue   for the production of the tank. A similarly  concerning issue would be discovered during   testing of the armored hulls when a 7.5cm FK 16  field gun punched clean through the 100mm upper   plate. This flaw was more easily resolved with  a decision to face harden future frontal plates.  A demonstration of the two Tigers for Hitler  would finally take place on his birthday,   April 20th 1942, with both the Porsche and  Henschel designs being delivered two days   prior. According to Henschel's chief designer  Erwin Aders upon arrival at the rail depot near   Hitlers headquarters the Porsche design struggled  to traverse under its own power and after the   Henschel team left with their tank the steam  crane used to unload the tanks was restarted   and repositioned the tank. It’s not clear exactly  what caused this issue in turning but when we   consider that the tracks were eventually widened  from 500mms to 600mms it may be related to that.  Despite this reported failure during delivery  it seems that when the vehicles were actually   shown to Hitler the Porsche stole the show.  According to Dr Aders the majority of the   demonstration time was dedicated to the Krupp  designed turret and Porsche tank with only a few   minutes for the Henschel design. Obviously  this is coming from a fairly biased source   so may not be entirely accurate but considering  the other factors we already discussed it seems   likely that the higher ups were leaning  towards the Porsche design at that point.  Unfortunately for Porsche this early success would  begin to crumble as the aforementioned engine   issues continued to cripple production. During  testing in June an engine lasted only 50 hours   before insufficient cooling caused a breakdown.  One thing that the tank did not have issues with,   despite it being a running joke nowadays,  were the electric transmissions. These seem   to have functioned largely without issue  with no spontaneous fires or breakdowns.   In fact it reportedly worked better than the  mechanical transmission of their rivals Tiger.   This same system would be used on the later  Maus super heavy tank and featured desirable   characteristics for a tank such as good torque. Both the Henschel and Porsche Tigers would be   accepted for service on August 15th, 1942 with  the Porsche design receiving the designation   Panzerkampfwagen VI (P). Though still unfinished  it was requested by Hitler that the initial batch   of Porsche Tigers would be sent to Rommel in  North Africa as their air cooled engines in   his mind were better for that environment. As  we know this would never actually come to pass,   but interestingly Tiger 131 which did reach  North Africa bore a turret originally built   for a Porsche Tiger. Production of both vehicles  would continue simultaneously for several months   until a pause was placed on the Porsche  vehicles in October 1942. With Henschel   now having surpassed the production numbers of  Porsche by nearly double, a decision needed to be   made. The continued production of two essentially  identical vehicles was a drain on resources that   could not be afforded and so a final test was set  for November 8th 1942. For the final time Tiger   (H) and Tiger (P) would face off in the arena  with only one emerging as the victor. This time,   however, Porsche’s creation would not be looked  upon as favorably. Both vehicles had faults and it   can be argued that mechanically the Henschel and  Porsche designs were similarly flawed. Regardless   of this the decision was soon made on November  22nd to stop production of Porsche Tigers and   instead 90 of the total 100 hulls that had been  ordered were to be instead used for what would   eventually become the Ferdinand. The turrets  which had been ordered were to be converted to   hydraulic traverse and used for Henschel Tiger  production. Though the story of the Ferdinand   deserves a video of its own this is not quite the  end for Porsche’s heavy tank. A single example of   the Porsche Tiger would see combat on the  eastern front alongside its tank destroyer   brethren. Being refitted with two Maybach engines  instead of the Type 101 it also received an extra   100mm plate on its front and wider tracks like the  Ferdinands or as they were now known the Elefants.   Configured as a command tank and slathered  in a fresh coat of Zimmerit it would act as   the command vehicle for the 653rd Tank Destroyer  battalion. It would also be accompanied by three   Bergepanzer VI built on the Porsche chassis.  This would be a short lived service with the   tank being reported in the unit on July 18th  1944 and then only 4 days later on the 22nd it   was gone. Whether it was lost in combat or simply  broke down and was abandoned is impossible to say.   The Porsche Tiger in its original configuration  sadly has not survived to this day with only a   few Ferdinands surviving. You may also run  into this vehicle, known as the Rammtiger,   which 3 hulls were reportedly set aside to be  built on. I will likely cover these in the future   when I find more info but one common misconception  I can clear up now is their intended use. These   were not to be used to ram enemy tanks rather they  would be used as essentially armored demolition   vehicles to knock down buildings. One supposed  photo of this vehicle has been circulated online   but to me it appears to be clever photoshop. Though the story of the Porsche Tiger is not one   of a perfect vehicle more capable than its rival  it is far from the flawed failure so many make   it out to be. Had events changed even slightly  there is a strong chance the Porsche design could   have been chosen over the Henschel. According to  one book by Thomas Jentz and Hilary Doyle they   posit that had the Porsche design not experienced  engine issues, the VK36.01 hull not been as easily   modified to accept the Krupp turret, or several  other circumstances been altered the Tiger tank   we see in our history books would have been far  different. Though as we see from later information   gathered from Armaments Minister Albert Speer it  most likely would also not have been the Porsche   Tiger in the configurations we discussed today.  The electrical propulsion seems to have worked   well even surpassing the mechanical transmission  of the Tiger (H) but with that came a higher cost   with it requiring copper. Speer states that much  of the reason behind the rejection of electrical   propulsion was due to already high demands for  copper for U-Boats and other programs. This is   only one of several issues he had with the vehicle  claiming it to be quote “unusable”. Realistically   the Tiger we know of today was almost certainly  the correct choice out of the two vehicles and I   don’t want your takeaway from this video to  be that the Porsche Tiger was an amazingly   flawless machine. I merely want to show that  there was far more to this story than what you   have likely heard from other online sources.  The reality of the Tiger program was that it   was an extremely rushed and massively flawed  mess with both designs featuring mechanical   issues. It would also mark a shift in German tank  design towards heavier and heavier vehicles which   would become one of many factors that led to  Speer's view of the war as lost by mid 1943.  So what do you think of the story of Porsche’s  tiger? Was it a good design ahead of its time   or simply another rushed German project doomed  for failure. Let me know your thoughts in the   comments below. I want to give one last thanks to  Factor for sponsoring this video and a reminder to   check them out using that link in the description  for 50% off your first box. Thanks as always to   my youtube members as well for their support of  my content which is greatly appreciated. If you   enjoyed this video first off click the subscribe  and like buttons but also consider checking out   one of the videos on your screen which YouTube  thinks you’ll enjoy. I hope to see you there.
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Length: 18min 20sec (1100 seconds)
Published: Thu Mar 16 2023
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