Porsche 935: Moby and the Warhorse Gang - Part 1

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] if you didn't come to the race prepared to run 24 hours you know certainly with all the built-in safety margins and stuff like that there wasn't any sense to come to the race at all aggregate you used to have to try and just turn it in a little bit quicker and get on the power quickly so that you didn't have that understeer you've got the front end turned in quickly and then get on the power quickly and sort of try and hold it on the throttle through the corner and if you over did it you put on a bit more opposite lock the engine was very similar to a 911 turbo engine but a lot of the hardware was different but the concept was very very similar for all the years we raced we had a ton of volunteers and then we had some full-time mechanics that they worked with and so the full-time mechanics would tell them what to do each night and the thing was there was only three or four full-time mechanics [Music] the car goes by and bob turns to me and says who's that poor bastard that already lost a cylinder i put my hand on my shoulder and on his shoulder and i said bob that poor bastard is you when you assemble the engine the rule of thumb is you don't want all the gaps lined up you want them to be rotated like 120 degrees around on the piston that was the ride of a lifetime riding without a seat we're sitting wrapped around the roll cage is probably what the astronauts feel like on those sleds because he'd come down out of there and run with back onto the drag strip you know that nice big sweeper and anticipate the boost and goose it and it was the best of times it was the worst of time but the worst times were nowhere near as as bad as the best of times were good yeah this is the first time i've really invested in a car like this so whose place is this this is bruce canepa what's he into porsches yeah all kinds yep wow see what you mean this is like this is like porsche heaven look at that hey bob hey bruce how's it going here clark good job how are you this is bruce campus bob kelly bob how's it going i finally bought a 911. oh good clark hooked me up but mine's just 911. mine's mine's a like a street car this has got to be like the grandfather of mine huh this is cool it's just a night 11. yeah suggested 911. sure mine doesn't have this mine doesn't have this what does this you guys give him a brief history of this thing and i'm going to take a look at it i haven't seen this story in here so we'll let the historian do it i'm new to this so just just give me what i need to know this is pretty cool though well we ran this car in 80 and won the hemsa championship with it and uh rented in europe and a bunch of races over there and uh won quite a few of the races we ran it in what's the biggest win this car ever had uh probably sebring it's probably the biggest win so what do you do now you're going to leave in the shop you're going to take it out and race it again no we've uh we've just completed entirely restoring this car mechanically and cosmetically and we put it back the way it was at le mans and we're going to take it to the monterey historic races because porsche is the featured car and john fitzpatrick's going to actually drive this car we still have the 935 that i raced in imsa so i'll drive my old car and john will drive this car and bruce we're going to have some fun are you going to drive the 917 are you going yeah we're gonna do that too we uh uh we just got this car you know first of the year and we totally restored it and um this should be pure excitement this car yeah these are great you guys maybe want to go drive i got to get out of here i'll go play with my car bruce nice to see you just be careful good luck nice man all right take care bruce nice to see you nice to meet you guys good to see you thank you guys bruce still here clark take care may i help you hi it's bob kelly i'm here to see the video with bruce thanks yeah it's me bob kelly again still trying to learn a little about porsche's racing history so i'm at bruce and stephanie anderson's place hi i'm bob when i saw bruce over at that race shop he said i should come over and watch this new video he's got he's back in his office yeah buddy's on the telephone isn't he always on the phone that's his life uh the videos about the porsche 935 and also about the guys at a shop that bruce was co-owner of that got involved in racing 935s oh now get this how does bruce earn his living these days he's an auto rider an auto rider who writes only about porsches how do i get that job sorry tom ask me that again oh one thing i did make bruce promise to answer all the dumb questions i could come up with i'd say just put the new trailing arms on see how it does right right [Music] hey i better get going here right okay bye bob good to see you again nice place for a race team reunion huh boy i'll say hey is that a bugatti royale keep watching two of them amazing huh listen you better sit over there if you don't want to catch this cold or flu or whatever i've got yeah thanks so what you get a new voice out of this my wife says i should get a job in radio here take the remote control you're going to need it for the volume once in a while and just ask questions whenever it's right anyway welcome to the garrett's enterprises first annual semi-annual quadrennial so santa claus has a younger brother a long-time crew member civil engineer i think uh marty marty did you ever get the bill settled at the hotel in painted post okay i just just wanted i was worried about that painted post at watkins glen in upstate new york i give you the man it's all yours bob well it's absolutely fantastic to be here tonight and i hope everybody else is having as good a time as i am and talk about getting knocked over when i see guys like case near up and fitzpatrick here all the way from from the uk he gets a long distance award by the way and it's it's unbelievable is he going to get to stand up oh you know he he's next don't he's not getting off the hook don't worry fitz is john fitzpatrick the driver right we all survived it a lot of our marriages didn't but that's right that's racing you know winning is everything so but it was a a great time and and i mean i can't thank every any of you too much for all that you did for me and uh i hope that uh what you got out of it was as was as enjoyable as my my time i don't want to yak on and on and on so i'm going to let john get up and say a few words and then after john speaks anybody that's got a story whatever they want to say come on up here let's just let's just lay it on the line and go for it john i wasn't expecting to have to say anything so uh i have to get my thoughts together but uh when i got the invite for this i mean it there really wasn't a second thought it was just uh you know how can i get over there and uh sandra was the same unfortunately she it turned out she couldn't come because the the boys were home from school this weekend so she couldn't leave them but uh 1980 was was just our it was our best was my best year ever in motor racing and the thing was it was it was really sort of the end of an era almost and it changed because it was although it was really serious and there was money involved it was still a really amateur effort and by amateur i don't mean second rate but what i mean is there were people who gave their time because they just live loved to be there and there i was in the car and i was relying on all these guys who actually just loved to be there and the fact that was even better because you know when a guy's paid to come come it's just a job but a lot of the guys were there just because they love to be there and [Music] as bob said there are so many good times so many races you can't it's difficult to pick pick them out and actually tom and i were talking earlier there was we had sacks who were the sp were sponsoring the car and there was the the young german guy who alex hasn't claimed from los angeles and we used to really wind him up because he he had an argentinian passport didn't he and now it was argentina wasn't it was it brazilian yeah we used to say uh why you got an argentinian passport alex and he said oh my my father was argentinian argentinian what the hell was he or brazilian you know what what did he do in the water it's a boy he wasn't the interval he was a gaucho on the pampers in snow so was this a good turnout for you guys yeah well of the team it was one notable exception being dick barber his wife had pneumonia ouch his wife so how long has it been since you guys have seen each other 15 years some of them where's where's bruce canelo i want to thank you for bringing this baby here tonight because i think what ron's talking about this bond that we all had with this racing this is what did it and to hear that distinctive sound of 935 coming in is dynamite and that's canopa's other 935 we'll see more of it later but the car we're going to see here in a second it's the kind of great grandfather to the whole 935 line [Music] yeah i hope it stays dry you know that uh i don't think they have any rain tires for the car but uh how long's it been since you ran on turbo porsche well let's see uh well about 11 years 12 years most likely no i drove a 956 in england uh just a little testing nothing uh you know no racetrack time just a little a little bit around silverstone are you excited or are you oh yeah i'm intimidated at all no i'm not intimidated i don't think they're going to let us do anything that's going to would cause you to be intimidated but no i i don't i i've never felt intimidated about the cars the cars never i've always felt i could handle a car sometimes you wonder you know you're especially when you get thrown in with a bunch of people you don't really know whether you're going to you know cut the mustard as far as speed is concerned and stuff like that but i finally found out that it doesn't really make any difference because some places i was slower than other times i'd be faster and so if my main forte was that i was always consistent i could pretty well predict you know i was going to be around the same time every lap you know it wasn't one really fast one some slow ones and that kind of stuff so no i'm not intimidated bob was good especially for a businessman a mechanical engineer turned businessman actually besides owning garrett's and enterprises along with my brother and me he had an electronics company he was partner in seemed like an awful lot of his sales trips would end up in stuttgart germany for some strange reason this 935 here should be the one that broke our string of sebring wins 78 79 and 80. so this is a vintage race no more like an exhibition it's called the rolex legends 24 minutes versus the 24 hours of the main event i started to say the car bob's in one of the martini cars is the forefather of the whole 935 line guy's going to talk about it here in a second kevin jeannette he looks after it at his shop down at west palm with a few nice cars in it huh a few is this some kind of museum just part of the oh the red coupe there 73 rsr the parent of there that's the same car bob's driving gunner that's the name of the place they do race cars restorations and everything [Music] a car nuts dream huh first class shop dedicated people wow that's a pretty one that's quite a history too but first the owner of this little treasure chest he's going to talk about the martini car the older car this is really what 935s began life as this is the 911 rsr turbo to most people they just know it is the martini turbo or the baby this is one of the cars they first designated as the baby because of the 2.1 liter engine this car actually is the very first production 911 ever to see a turbocharger they got the idea because of the turbocharged 917s and they said because of the rules let's go ahead and build a 911 and see how fast it'll go they put one gigantic turbo on the back of this little baby motor it didn't make quick horsepower but it did make a lot of horsepower when the boost came on when you come to the power plant in the 2.1 liter motor you come to the technology of porsche it's always learning from day to day most racing porsches are racing excuse me turbocharged cars of today have all got an inner core but you can see in the early stages of the porsche i don't know who had the idea but they put the intercooler right on top of the turbocharger now as we all know these turbochargers will get white hot when they run a lot of boost so what they discovered was basically putting the intercooler on top of the turbocharger wasn't the best idea going in the later cars you'll notice that the turbo charger intercoolers are up inside the quarter windows or in different areas of the motor bay not actually on top of the turbo charger this car is original it was first a 911 rsr from 1973 where it did win approximately three races in the 1973 season for porsche in martini trim but not this trim when they bolted the turbocharger on this car the car was just not adequate enough in downforce to carry the power so within the rules they started developing what we called the factory tricks they raised the back window which made the rear wing arrow more aerodynamic because of the way the roof structure was the wing wouldn't get the air so they lifted this and then they bolted this pool table on back here and that gave the car great stability at high speed some people think that it gave the car a little bit of a push factor because there was too much rear down force but they made up with that by adding front air dams and tires and lowering the car in different items like this it has the splitter which makes up the difference in the handling they in the later years actually in 73 when they developed this the fuel cell of this vehicle was in the front what they did with the other three rsr turbos was they moved the fuel inside the rear cockpit probably for balance of the vehicle this car when it was converted to the wide body was entered in only one race and in that race it had a dnf basically at that point they had developed the 74 model which were the other three of the four martini rsrs built and those are the cars that went on to race at watkins glen and all the races in europe including le mans where they had a great showing the best thing about this martini porsche we purchased this car from vasik pollock the great porsche dealer and racer in california he was fortunate to have gotten three of these martini porsches and he told them all we were able to pick up one but of the three cars this is the original one the paint you see on this car is exactly the way the paint was left the last time it was raced the insides everything about this car is original and you can see the attention to detail here porsche wasn't into detail at least from the paint standpoint they painted the car and used the theory to 190 who's going to see it but what's so special about this car it shows the workmanship to what these guys did to make these cars go fast they didn't care about a stripe lining up or a rivet head showing they cared about what mechanically was right and they never let that be a second part of the car the mechanics on any racing porsche were always second to none sometimes the paint and detail had a little less to offer but no one ever saw it because they were so fast who could see this stuff on a racetrack nice job mr jeannette yeah well it looks like this is over with how much horsepower would the martini car have around 450 and that's in about 1800 pounds like kevin said it's a 190 mile per hour car do they ever get him up to speed in the event for a few laps bob said it made him feel like a kid again it was fantastic it was really fantastic and the thing is that you know it was it just was fun pouring down into that number one turn you know full blast as fast you can go down straight away right on down it was great more legend stuff but next another significant 935 this one coming up to normal 77 except we've taken the two coils and the ignition boxes out so we can use them on the on the dyno did he say dino he did this is where jerry woods he was the team's engine man this is where he works his magic these days and the car's fairly standard well except that when peter gregg won the imsa championship in 78 he drove this car he's also the one he put on its top at sebring that year bob's helping get the car's engine ready for a run on jerry's dyno and it goes back in the car for a day at sears point raceway well that sounds good the only thing i do for exercise now is bending around inside and outside of cars getting back there is david morris he owned the car while this was being filmed why'd they pull the engine rebuilt it in fact believe it or not we used it for one of the 911 engine overhaul classes that jerry and i teach there's some shots of that in here too but the dyno is a great place to check an engine out see what kind of power it's got and that's it in there i guess uh-huh what is it exactly the car is a 77 and it's got the 2.8 liter engine of that year single turbo as you can see remember the size of that turbo unit by the way in a minute here they'll use the starter to circulate the oil make sure everything's lubricated okay we've got oil pressure up we've got ignition we think we have fuel but we'll disconnect one of the fuel lines and check that and i think it's ready to ready to go what's that big post hand throttle [Music] [Applause] the smoke's okay huh just oil from the assembly burn it off they don't seem to mind running the engine in breaking it in we're running for about a half an hour or so just to get some load behind the rings and get them scuffed into position try and take some power runs basically to see if the fuel settings are right for the injection that's not too lean boost levels are correct [Music] there's a fairly light load reading this is 2600 rpm 53 horsepower so if you can break in procedure we're not not putting much load on the motor at this point so load tries to slow the engine down it's like a car going up a hill load would be the hill how well it gets up the hill is an indication of the power it has [Music] now he's starting to put more load on one thing we didn't see was jerry changing the oil after the engine warmed up in fact he goes in and out of the dyno cell a lot checking things over the whole process can take you know five or six hours [Music] i want to take a look at this firefoot looks good looks good nice color so in uh in the old days where would you actually redline these things we would run them to 8 000 rpm in sprint races and 75 7600 in endurance races for vintage racing where would you conservatively redline that's the owner's discretion [Music] so two questions what's that probe or whatever it is in the exhaust pipe and am i right the boost is at almost 1.5 bar yes on the boost and the thing in the exhaust is an exhaust gas analyzer gives an indication of the fuel air mixture man something's hot down there part of the exhaust system wow that's wild [Music] what was the little pipe sticking out on the other side of the main exhaust pipe the wastegate tailpipe spec on it was uh 630 horsepower at 8 000 i'm just uh analyzing data see where we stand we're looking here at the corrected horsepower and the corrected torque peak torque is somewhere less than 5400 was the rpm i started and the corrected horsepower is still beyond the 7500 rpm it was making 567 horsepower right there so good data that made me breathe a little easier why is that remember i said in one of our 911 engine overhaul classes we use this engine yeah well actually i'm just stalling till the video the class gets here because of the heat that we see with the 935s in the top ring the 935 in principle is a 911 engine turbocharged yeah it's very similar to a turbocharged 911. you know a lot of the hardware was different but the basic concepts very very similar the main major difference that allowed it to have more power it had a mechanical fuel injection system on the later years versus the streetcar engine that had uh smog constraints and uh cis style fuel injection when the 935s also had huge oil coolers to put up with the heat generated whereas the oil coolers were pretty small in the 930. when we assembled the engine the the rule of thumb is you don't want all the gaps lined up you want them to be rotated like 120 degrees around on the piston probably the one thing that we did differently in the in the 1980 era we built some 3 2 liter motors versus the rest of the teams a lot of them were working with 3 liter motors and they were working with 3-liter motors for better fuel economy but i have the approach of making a lower compression 3.2 liter motor and driving it with a lower rpm range and kind of relying on the extra torque in order to do that i had to get the pistons made differently i couldn't order them from the porsche factory we had to go right to the manufacturer and get them from mali it worked out quite well obviously when we ran the first iteration we won the race of sebring necklace hills don't tend to gall and one of the things you get too much oil a lot of people in my my belief put too much oil all over the rings the pistons and you start them up and they just the oil goes onto the spark plugs and tends to load up the spark plugs and smoke and the rings don't always get a good initial bed in the number we used to hear was 800 horsepower we never dyno we never had a dyno the dyno engines that big so we never saw those numbers but uh more practical number of a 7 10 720 something like that in reality in our era i mean there were times when a lot of the other teams were doing things i'm sure like turning the boost up and you saw the results of turbochargers prematurely failing and things of that nature and they were probably running 1.71.8 bar boost and i'm sure it was possible but not for any time long period of time a little sealant just around i use it just around the outside of the cylinder the heat that the motors generated created a lot more wear on the valve guide specifically exhaust valve guides that was if we had to pick one thing that was a failure mode it was that it wasn't not a failure but a high wear air wear mode whereas you know so by the time we finish a 24 hour race it's the same as driving from san francisco to new york in 24 hours and you don't do that without wearing something out and i think the guides took the the biggest abuse you know we used the crank cases the motors for hours you know three or four rebuilds maybe even a couple seasons crankshafts with glass crankshafts rods were never any problem the heads and the cylinders would usually last a couple of rebuilds and then they required replacement the ring lamps would wear out on the pistons and rebuilds were typically we were going to say 20 hours between rebuilds obviously we did a 24-hour race as the rebuild was more than 24 hours but a lot of times they were right on the ragged edge uh you wouldn't have gone to afterwards and used it again as a test motor for instance it was done so we have the cylinder sheet metal in place and it's important to do that really at this stage because later in the process and i've done it you go along you get the cylinder heads you get the cam housings on and all of a sudden you you got to the fact that the sheet metal won't go around won't easily go around where you the turn tubes are [Music] everything okay put it in the car now is that worth the price of admission boy i'll say all right what's that more speed there the 935 zoner is david morse oh yeah okay [Music] so [Music] dave morris is going to take some easy laps make sure nothing falls off the car [Music] business hasn't let him do any driving for a while [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] by the way the wheel diameter is there there's 16s on the front and 16s on the rear rears really should be 19s like we used to run but you can't get race tires for them anymore so [Music] [Music] okay let me look at the water oil level checking the levels here about 0.9 bar so far okay boosts at 0.9 okay things look good [Music] so what are they testing for here well this isn't really a test day like say an indycar team would do more like a shakedown run speaking of tests are there any road test numbers on a 935 uh yeah i should have that maybe right over here in my desk uh here we go let's see now okay first these are on a 2.8 single turbo just like this one here but on a 76 not a 77. uh 0 to 60 in 3.3 seconds zero to 106.1 0 to 150 and 11. man those are quick [Music] quarter mile and 8.9 seconds at 133 miles an hour an estimated 1.4 g's in cornering breaking from 60 and 92 feet this is from the january 1977 issue of road and track the portion of the testing themselves oh the german magazine automotive and sport tested the 79 kramer k3 that won in france but with the 3.2 engine let's see to save the clutch they did a rolling start then added on a calculated amount they have it at three seconds flat zero to sixty zero to a hundred and five point eight and a one twenty and eight point one but then listen to this last set of numbers these are also from the factory but therefore the last 935 porsche ran as their own team car in 78 zero to sixty two in this case two point eight seconds and zero to one twenty five in looks like eight flat and that was geared for le mans evidently man these things are really fast [Music] so pop and bang on the d cell isn't it what'd he say it's backfiring on deceleration when he's breaking for corners [Music] you also hear it stumble a little like under lighter acceleration that's a characteristic of the fuel injection on these the mid-range of those cars is their fat a little bit blubber and sputter what it is is the fuel getting into the exhaust and kind of popping and cracking and burning in the exhaust once he gets on the gas the thing is cleans out and cooks well it's um you know you heard all the backfire and all that yeah it's real boggy from like say 4 000 up to 5500 just but yeah it feels like plugs fouled or something but okay maybe i don't know is it too rich maybe it may be too rich what what boost level are you at 1.2 1.2 yeah okay i mean i'll try leaning it out yes i could be too acting blubbery in the mid-range so lean it out a little and see if we can make some corrections there's a little uh vernier screw in the pump that we adjust we always refer to the number of clicks that we i changed at three clicks so by the way what's that car obscured by the mirror there you'll see in a minute there's all kinds of good cars around one of dave morse's sons has taken that one out sounds a little better [Music] that's better but still you know not quite got away okay well it sounds better going in here anyway but it's still a 1.2 bar okay what's the problem let's turn it off it's um it just kind of bogs you know like four thousand five thousand rpms oh look at the tailpipe maybe we'll try and lean it out just a couple more okay this car is so much fun to drive i thought that one was so much fun well the thing about the 35 is the sound is so much better yeah you know when we first came out with 962 or the 956s with those pipes on opposite sides of the car it was like what sort of they go they'd go out of the pit lane at le mans you'd go what in the world is that you know the 35s down the mill sign would just sing you know just a better much better note so what happens now right here should be jerry showing a friend of his the instrument panel what was your question ben what do these lights do yeah the orange light is a low fuel light usually it means you have about one or two gallons of fuel left uh one or two la one lap maybe depending on the length of the track the red light is the alternator light if the generator starts working the uh green light is low oil pressure and the yellow light indicates that the fan's not the engine's air cooled so if the fan stops you need to know that you're going to have an overheating problem yellow light's an indicator that the fan is not working properly of course the various gauges is the one on the left is the oil temperature the one in the middle here is fuel pressure this is the tachometer that's obvious the 0 to 10 gauge is oil pressure and 0 to 10 that's in bars and bars is a german equivalent to saying how many atmospheres there's about 14.5 psi per bar this is a an led indicator of boost and that was something that was under development and the boost gauge that works more regularly is this one here the analog one with the needle and then down below we have this knob is the uh the boost control it pneumatically steers how much boost the end the turbo is making the engine and then of course we have a fire extinguisher knob if we pull it it sets off an in-car fire extinguisher on the far right is a main power cut off switch then down here on the left side of the string we'll have the normal ignition key we have a uh it looks like an emergency flasher switch really what that does is switches to a reserve fuel tank so if we're getting start to verbal and run out of fuel we can just hit this button and it gives us a reserve so we can drive back to the pits and get refueled and then headlights so that's the instruments there's that it is a 959 isn't it yep school guys are back in the classroom and that should still be dave's son chris in there wow is that the car we saw in the pits yep dave is 956. okay at this point young morris is out of the 959 and into the 935 poor guy this car sounds so foreign compared to a 35 when you get two of them going down and they start to get out of phase when you get that feeding signal that was an awesome sound too 935's he means yeah they're talking about the gearbox you heard morris having trouble shifting it is better sometimes if you double clutch you can make it go in sometimes you can't um but it doesn't act like it's the clutch though no no you know like i tried the last slip just as a cooldown lamp shifting in like four or five and it goes right in with no problem okay so it seems like when it's really stressed you know when you need it most it won't that's when it when it's having it yeah well at least you know the problem with these things is they love you they give you sort of a false sense of security because they they handle as well you know they just go whereas 9 35 gives you all the morning in the world you know something's gonna happen okay [Music] yeah when you were going around there it was pop-popping a lot more crackling your basic 1970s aerodynamic package that motor is a lot stronger oh yeah oh yeah you notice a difference oh that's a lot stronger yeah uh-huh yeah are you dumb today or what's your it would be nice if you took the 35 out again and we'd yeah okay maybe lean it out a couple more clicks okay yeah chris said it's just still dead yeah okay i mean i know that's not my empowerment and i'd like you to try it at uh like 1.4 bar okay so let's see what it does last lap seems like he's pushing it a little [Music] harder [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] this car goes in first so and is the mid-range better better okay yeah yeah well we're back down the mixture where it used to be okay the brake's still mushy yeah okay they work those pedals just way down we weren't doing any lap timing basically you know dave hasn't driven now for about a year and a half you know he's an active businessman and you know he needs to get the rust out and we needed to make sure that the motor was running right i mean we did the dyno work and most of the time know there's not a problem but you do see that we did change the mixture some since uh we had it on the dyno we could actually go forward to lean it out when we first went out the car was a little bit rich and it would pop and bang on the downshifts you get a lot of fuel on overrun that gets into the exhaust and you know we can look at the tailpipe color it's kind of a an antique way of telling mixture but it works and so we made some adjustments there and the car performed well the balance of the car was real good we have to uh do some work with the brakes uh we're getting some air in the brakes we have to change the brake fluid it's old you know the car's been in storage now for about two years so uh this was a shakedown and it went real well for us the soft underbelly of the 935. by the way do you know why they're called 935s probably not the whole story well the first street version turbo is called the 930 and this is one here so that's the first part of 935 then the five on the end comes from the classic raced in group five group five was part of something called the world championship of makes see porsche when they heard the group 5 was going to be production-based cars they designed the 930 with the new rules in mind okay first year for the 935 anyway because group 5 was a silhouette type formula meaning the shape of the body had to be somewhat like the production car that meant that parts of the 935 like the roof windshield and doors had to be like the production 930 but then on stuff like the fenders you could do pretty well what you wanted like take springs for instance they put titanium coil springs on all four corners instead of torsion bars why the change easier to adjust and lighter than the engine it was pretty free too though if you change the displacement that would affect what weight you had to run okay now this right here is the coming out party for the new season and the new cars that's the original 935 you're looking at what's this place vaisakh it's porsche's research and development center for two years we prepared this new championship the silhouette championship and i consider that with the new um car formula 5 and the formula 6 we can have a good result and we hope to be successful in the 76 championships he's going to be one of the two primary 935 drivers this first season along with jackie i think you're right in all my career i have driven for all the big manufacturer the big names of course the only one that was missing there's a porsche name that's don't know and i think for me it's really here i hope not the last step but it's really something great and for me it's a real pleasure and now this is the first ever race for a porsche 935 so where's this mugello in italy like it says this is the first of the two italian six hours and make a mental note of the car's headlights here okay now what's the 935's main competition uh in group five mainly bmw like their 3 liter csl the mostly black cars you're seeing [Music] so we're seeing the different diameter wheels now right the fronts are 16 the rears are 19. how wide are they 11s and 15s you know this is probably the first ever pit stop for a porsche 935 back to the wheel see the rule said you had to use a wheel and tire combination that didn't exceed 16 inches in width and porsche felt that 16 inches didn't give them enough tire on the ground at least in the rear so by going to a 19 inch diameter wheel that makes the tires circumference grow and that means its footprint gets longer while it's still just as wide oh there's some group 4 934s in here too in fact some people converted their 934s into 935s so this means the 935 won its first time out they sure did [Music] well stock headlights right at the first race this one's another six hour by the way rulemakers argued with porsche that the slope knows didn't conform with the stock appearing front end rule so they had to revert to this but after some more debate the csi changed its mind and they went back to the more aerodynamic front so it was stock for how many races two this one and the next one at silverstone [Music] and there's another rule problem with this race they decided the shape of the engine cover isn't legal supposed to be able to take one off the race car and fit a stock one back on a one-off production turbo trouble is the 935's original intercooler sticks out too far for that to happen by the way that's a monsieur we'll talk about those little devils later on the porsche does win here by a huge number of laps but the factory decides to change its air-to-air intercooler to a smaller one that's water cooled it's less efficient though like the 934 has but then that means adding radiators and all the required plumbing it's a major annoyance especially when they're only given a month or so to re-engineer the whole thing at least they're allowed to run one more time with the original setup was that john fitzpatrick one of the enemy at this point especially after see there on the left the 935 fried its clutch at the start it got going but not very far we can't push it through the pits we look at it see production headlights again [Music] they had the engine out changed the clutch and popped it back in in an hour and 40 minutes but ended up 10th so fitz won this time yes he did [Applause] so this is the intercooler changeover back in visec they put the water radiators in the openings and the fenders there the fenders uh and the rest of the body for that matter what are they made out of well they start with a basic 911 steel body and then all the all the more or less replaceable parts are either a fiberglass or a polyurethane foam material okay back from surgery and back to its original nose but there hasn't been enough time to get everything right the engine starts having problems they keep it going for quite a while but it doesn't finish now where does the mall i never know how to pronounce it where does it play in all of this well it's coming up right after zelfig here where the car again has a problem which means bmw gets the points again [Music] but as far as le mans goes well it's run by the french so it's always a little different sometimes a lot different it's coming up here in a minute it's not part of the makes championship either but since it's the 800 pound gorilla of endurance racing the factory sends down the 935 plus two of these open cockpit cars here they're 936s that's as in group six my friend dave morris from the day at sears point he's got one of these actually two [Music] in the northeast of france le mans is the mecca of auto racing here for the 44th time the 24 hours of le mans is to be run on the eight and one half mile high speed track with its engine killing mulsanne straight away first on the schedule of the drivers is relaxation the tennis game is fought out by ralph stomelin and team manager manfred yanka manfred shorty fills in as ball boy the countdown for the race begins on friday [Music] are among the most exciting at le mans the stands are already packed as the drivers take their starting position the porsche 935 with stomalan and shorty the highly thought of alpine renault the bmw turbo the porsche 936 with yost and bart and for the first time american stock cars are going to race here only three minutes to start [Music] and now the battle of men and machines begins in front the martini porsche and renault behind them the 53 others 55 cars altogether make the lama start [Music] french spectators particularly appreciate the renault taking the early lead after him jackie ix and reinhold but only 20 minutes into the race jackie x takes the lead searing heat affects drivers and machines outside temperature reaches more than 95 degrees inside the cars it goes to more than 120 degrees [Music] early in the race the stock cars begin to tire the first american car has to give up [Music] on the straight away the porsche 935 rolls at 208 208.66 miles per hour in the porsche pit everyone concentrates on the race including martini team sponsor count russie and his wife [Music] at nightfall a special atmosphere settles over le mans the unrelenting speed in the dark is fascinating and for some very tiring the martini porsches are still in good form stomalin and shorty are in third place [Music] hicks and fun lenape still leave the world ski champion of lichtenstein honey vensel cleans the helmet of her fellow countryman manfred shorty meanwhile he is enjoying a massage racing today is a tough sport sunday morning at 11 things suddenly come to a head for porsche the exhaust brakes on the leading 936 and loss of fuel pressure in the now fourth place 935 on top of that a brush with the barrier causes a torn fender [Music] now the competition begins to catch up lap after lap [Music] finally both cars are back in the race and in spite of the pit stop hicks and his martini porsche still hold the lead finally at 4 p.m the checkered flag falls first x from lenovo in front of the untiring mirage stomal and shorty still make fourth place the factory was okay with that they did win their class but third behind the two 936s now that's what the factory would have really liked [Music] so now we're back in the makes championship bmw and porsche are virtually tied for the lead with only two more races but this one's on our side of the pond for a change see the second 935 there factory's worried about the championship right so they pull the prototype out of the closet give it a little last-minute preparation and all of a sudden two factory racers who's driving the second car oh it's tomlin and surety [Music] talk to me about engines a little bit here all 935s have turbocharged flat sixes right and some are single turbos some are twin turbo right again and how big are they originally they were 2.8 liters but they had 3.0s three twos even two sixes and these here are two eights well they're two eighths but they're turbocharged and according to the rulebook that makes them equivalent to being a four leader some sort of multiplication right see whenever turbocharged engines or supercharged engines when they compete with normally aspirated engines some sort of multiplier is applied to make things more even in this case it's 1.4 so you multiply the engine size 2.85 liters times 1.4 and you get just under 4 liters that's right at the top of the 3500 to 4000 cc range in the regulation now later on in msa they use slightly different multipliers and what kind of horsepower are we talking these cars at normal boost right around 600. now that's with a single turbo two plugs per cylinder fuel injection of course they got more powerful as the years went on [Music] looks like the second car paid off now one two three stomlin and surety first in the prototype but converted 934 was second and then xmas had brake problems came in third but finally no engine [Music] problems [Music] the birthday boy yep you know it's tragic but ralph won't be around to see many more birthdays after this one what happened he was killed in california at riverside in 1983 far as i know the only driver killed in a 935 what a driver he was though one of the quickest very intense very dedicated but here we are at the last race of the season all the factory bigwigs are hoping hoping the manfred shorty can do a handstand on a tire they're hoping that going again with two cars will get in the championship oh there was norbert singer there bob back up the tape a little sure here we tried [Music] the eexes porsche's top brass yeah that singer head engineer on the 935 and a whole lot of other porsche race cars now did you see that white car the kramer team from germany they upgraded an older car into their own 935 that one yeah we'll see more on the cravers [Music] these first year 935s how much do they weigh actually that's part of the formula in group five a four liter car four liter equivalent remember has to weigh at least 970 kilograms right around 2 140 pounds and in fact they had to add ballast to the 935s to get them up now if singer if he decided to go bigger on the engine or just stay at the 930 stock displacement of three liters for that matter they would have pushed it over 4000 cc's and put it in another weight class and that would have complicated the tire situation tires remember the maximum of the wheel and tire combination we talked about the width i mean not the diameter now if porsche had gone with a bigger engine they still would have had to run that same 16 inch width of tire so a little less power a little less weight suddenly things are a little easier on your rear tires sounds good now there's somebody that could have used more tire [Music] as for transmissions they only had four speeds right yep the production 930 turbo had a four-speed so that's what the race cars had to happen [Music] so they won it storybook ending the 935s finish 1-2 and the 1976 world makes championship goes to porsche i'm pretty sure that man how about sharing the champagne [Music] is [Music] season number two they go back to le mans of course they take the 936s again which by the way have smaller engines than the 935 but way a lot less and they take this one 935. there's ralph now how about this this is the car that won that year in 936 jurgen barth is showing us the mozan which we'll talk about a little very little traffic right now but in the race overtaking is very dangerous 340 kilometers full gas you know fortunately or unfortunately the malzahan has changed now not as fast anymore the corner coming up is the slowest corner in le mans downshifting to 60 kilometers [Music] how long is that straight a little over three and a half miles okay the factory had a couple of new drivers and one of the 936s hurley haywood there getting his seat fitted and in the 935 they went with manfred shirty and mr stomlin but within the mirror it's so different to see this one it's far away from your eyes on the street that used to be a tradition here at le mans getting the cars to and from tech inspection the 935 looks a little different here 77. yeah the body is changed a little there's a new tail section and it's hard to see but they've added a second rear window on top of the stock one there's a couple of inches separating the two why same reason they raised it on the rsr turbo better airflow to the rear wing but the rule said you got to keep the stock window so they just added on a kind of false roof and window back there unless they go to bigger brakes kind of running boards to try to get a little ground effects out of the deal the adjustable sway bar is now the front uh a rule change let him move the firewall in toward the driver by 20 centimeters about 7 inches and that gave him enough space for a larger water air type of intercooler maybe best of all two turbo chargers mainly for better throttle response by cutting down the single turbo's lag time but with the other engine changes the horsepower goes up to about 6 30. [Music] wow right to the wall [Music] hey wasn't that red car on 935 good call that was one of the loose cars one of the independent teams over there along with kramer and yost they were real active with 935s so another change for 77 was the factory start selling customer cars to private teams copies of the 76 car 76 car the private teams don't get the new 77 stuff not really at least body wise how many 935s do they end up selling 40 something in all 13 in 1977 those were single turbos then 15 through 78 with the twin turbo engine [Music] then seven more for 79 adding in some of the tweaks from the 935-78 then the last 935s from the factory were a few made for 1980. some of those were sold as parts or as tub chassis units what'd they cost well let's see in 79 i think i remember them selling for 120 000. was there much profit in it no they didn't sell them so much for making money is to have a number of porsches out there competing for championships and it worked in this year here 77 porsche had nine wins in the nine races of the makes championship i guess it did work actually it worked almost too well porsche starts getting criticized in the german press because after bmw pretty well pulled out of the makes championship everybody was saying that porsche was having it easy and they were so just to prove a point they built one special 935 to run in the smaller class in germany where bmw and the others still worth series it had a tiny engine a 1.4 liter single turbo with a five-speed gearbox by the way it was the first 935 built with a subframe of aluminum which helped it weigh only about 1600 pounds you know some people call the early small engine rsr turbos baby this is the real baby total history is two races first one it didn't finish it only had three months to engineer and build it but it won its second race by half a lap pretty well shut the critics up later on a driver from sweden built a similar car called the l-1 mainly for the same german races but without too much luck the engine broke and i think it's a road which broke but it was really very very sudden where did it happen it happened coming back to indianapolis i was on fifth gear at six six thousand six thousand five hundred about so what'd he say broke connecting rod so it's now one nine thirty six and 1 9 35 that's right and the last 9 36 hung on to win it while our boys are in trouble [Music] he's saying something like it felt like the exhaust broke the motor had no more power so i drive slowly back to the pits then it became apparent that something was wrong with the cylinder but exactly what we don't know then moss the interviewer says manfred you're now out of the game are you going to drive in another car now and surety says i don't think so we now have two of the factory cars out so six drivers in one car is too many [Music] so the factory 935 didn't finish but a private 935 did win group five so except here porsches did pretty well in 1977 like i said in the makes championship nine for nine when the factory didn't win a privateer did some of the competition the 320 bmw and a capri with a familiar sponsor these are from a german race from 78 or 79. what about over here in the us and imsa what year did the 935 start running here well this interscope car right here is what ran during 1977. it's called a 934 and a half because it has wider rear wheels and fenders basically most of the back end of a 935 plus it had the 935 type mechanical injection so it had over 500 horsepower and it was lighter too but the first of the breed to come over here were these the 934 a year earlier they ran the scca's trans am series i guess that's a trans am car when they originally came over as 934s on guys had the first car i believe at brainerd and they started to pour rain in the race this was before i was driving as a crew guy and he went flying by rolling up the electric windows and it was just leading the race it was amazing electric windows my kind of race car yeah no air conditioning though now this is bob garretson with a couple of guys that know all about those first years this is up top of the goodyear tower 95 daytona i think on bob's left is vasek [ __ ] the porsche dealer and long time race team honcho unfortunately he passed away in 97. and there on the right that's joe hopping he's the man responsible for bringing both the 934 and 935 to the u.s it was porsche's racing boss in the u.s back then porsche came with the 930 ford turbo and since the development in the imsa racing got stronger and stronger the competition got tougher i decided we should have the turbos and the imsa series because it was a hard time to get imsa commit to letting turbos run in the series because there were no turbos around but eventually i could convince them because i said well the 934s we bring them sdrb and salt with power windows power sunroof radios and the whole accessory added to them which of course is not the way you go racing but makes the car heavy and all that so eventually imsa said okay you can run the turbos 934s in the next season so i ordered 10 turbos from porsche assuming that i could sell some of them raise some of on our own and i go to germany to wiser testing the 934 turbos with holbert and peter great and while we were testing it was in november he called me on the phone he said there's an urgent call for you there was john bishop telling me that he changed his mind and turbos would not be eligible for the coming season so i said well there's no need to discuss it in length on the phone i'd be back in the states very soon and we sit down and discuss it and i had a long meeting with john and john told me that yes you cannot run the turf within our service i said well you said yes and i'm sitting here with 10 turbos so well i had to find alternatives because my management told me i ordered these 10 cars quite a bit money involved and of course we normally paid those cars after we sold them and here of course i couldn't sell the car which you couldn't raise so i called a couple of friends one of them of course was wash eggplant i said watch it look we got these cars and you got to you got to help me somehow [Music] to utilize these cars and i watch x as well where can we run them i say well i have to find a place for them i don't know yet so i went to scca the trans m series was faltering was almost dead i went to scca and i said look i have a proposal if you let us on the turbo portions in your series i guarantee you 10 cars to participate in your series plus we let you have the super reserves and you have a very good championship and well in the meantime it was already almost january and the season was coming up the scca season and so i called washing i said wash it you probably can't run the cars and you're going to get three cars [Music] yeah watch it said three i said well that's a minimum for a big dealer like you anyway also herman miller for audigaton and al halbert now comes the first race speedway and we had the cars we didn't have much time so the cars came by airplane we talked them to the to the to the racetrack and uh washak got hurley haywood and george falmer to drive al horbert was driving his hermann miller was david one and then invited a whole bunch of carreras i paid him to come to front and sam look we got bob hakested and we ourselves had the two shirakos uh for transam and so we we come we had our 10 cars there and uh of course watch x cars came in one two and we run the ransom series and we also won the championship the car came on the truck two cars just came we take the we take the paper from shipping paper from window down clean the car change the gear do nothing do nothing just just little adjustment and we we do other adjustment lately but just detail little filing but when but the car came from factory it was ready to race and and that's proof many times and that was also this time we just cleaned them and and we was first and second uh early early and george foreman and and we must and let's go on and on and we'll we was a whole season and then we won championship for porsche but in imsa no 9 35 yet we're getting close like with the 934 and a half but next is where we well garrettson enterprises i mean we jump in with both feet [Music] it started in 1977 we were i went to laguna seca to watch the imsa race and ran into a friend of mine by the name of dick barber who had just bought a brand new nine thirty four and a half they called it in those days and uh was ronnie had one guy working with him and they sort of were also rams and stuff like that so and so next thing i went to sears point he was up there and the car was there and he was there but they never saw the racetrack with problems and stuff like that so i jokingly said i said dick i said you know what you really ought to do is let me prepare your race car for you so a few weeks later he called me up and said i want to take you up on the offer so you know we had people jerry woods and stuff were working at the shop and porsche club guys who had worked on the same principle with walt moss on the 914 program started coming around and wanted to get involved and then it just grew from there then next year was one car two cars three cars four cars so imsa finally relented in 1978. relented is a good way to put it and of course the next step now was at 9 35. i was then talking to bishop the following season well yeah we we're going to bring some cars in but it has to be at 9 35 rather than 934 is that what's the difference there's not much difference just 934 935 you know no power no power no power windows no that was going back and forth and didn't know so unfortunately i was actually pretty close with less grapeling mid ohio i said less you got to run a special race and with porsche 935s and all the exotic cars we said it's a good idea when when do we do it i said well he organized the race then and there were a lot of these type of cars exotic cars and in the meantime we had jim busby with a with a 935 and washer got of course palmer back again we got jackie x we brought him over and we got a lot of talented drivers and suddenly bishop realized the 935 is not such a bad idea either and also the camel people the sponsors suddenly got really interested to see that ways in middle high was so good porsche did a lot of promotion there were a lot of sponsors and well finally bishop then agreed to let the 935s on so now we started a whole new era starts our new era too five years wandering around racing 935s this is our first 935. this car parts of it anyway is the one i end up calling warhorse goes on to have quite a history with us how'd you do there daytona not bad for our first 935 effort got a second blew some rear tires which tore up the bodywork there what happened was the rear springs were too soft and we got too much negative camber you know squatting on the banking and the inside edges of the tires got hot the whole daytona gang [Music] 54 minutes now this is seabring our oldest film and we run the daytona car again and a second car i was joking when i asked dick barber whether we could prepare a second car because i'd like to drive some races we'd only done one race with him and uh but we were successful we did we'd come in second at daytona i said and he said yeah if you can get it ready we'll run two cars hey gentlemen one thing that we want to do this weekend is win under any circumstances so having two cars we're going to have one of our cars be a rabbit we want to go absolutely full speed and draw the other cars out and force them to break yeah when i start the race i go so fast as possible very high refs a very high boost and i think it's no problem to beat the bmw and to push him so hard as possible that bmw will break down and then we take the lead maybe we take the lead immediately and then i think it is no no much problem and then we we slow down but in the in the beginning we go so fast as possible that way charles you guys keep us in sight and uh that's where the rabbit will be right there at the end hopefully are you ordering us to take it easy no i want you to keep us inside because we don't want any cars to really uh so is this the rabbit car or the other one that's brian redmond there so this is the take it easy car redmond's in with bob garretson and charlie mendes charlie happens to be the promoter of the race whoa that's just a little pit stop practice how'd you guys end up in qualifying dick and the european guy's second bob bryant and charlie fifth okay david hobbs had the pull but he doesn't stay there long stanley took over the lead and set fastest lap [Music] now you were on the crew here weren't you right on number nine that car right there the take it easy car so the team's got two cars and and what six drivers yeah well this is a 12-hour race don't forget this way dick barber he's the finance guy behind all this and bob garrett see with six drivers dick and bob could justify driving even though they weren't as quick as say ralph stomel in there of course hardly anybody else was either oh and here's one reason you want more than one car the rabbit's in trouble it's out of the race in a little bit here now it's all up to the ninth time [Music] i'm getting an excellent report for the s's car 59. peter gregg has flipped and that's the car that dave morse had in sears oh yeah but how'd you end up with drivers like manford shirty and ralph stomblin anyway well the factory scaled back it's racing for 1978 but they already had their drivers under contract guys like ralph and jackie eakes so what they did they loaned them out to the private team in all we had something like 40 drivers in their 935s why so many for one thing some of them paid i think it was around twenty five thousand dollars for a le mans ride or they brought a sponsor with them you see budweiser bp gas remember twenty years ago with hardly any tv sponsorship wasn't anything like it is today and then guys like stomlin surety johnny rutherford rick mears they were all paid basically by the factory through volkswagen of america redmond brian redmond he was paid that way too i remember the first race that you and i raced together we also won and that was the sea breeze and that was that was your first race back after your big accident wasn't it yes the sebring 1978. and you had a lot of apprehensions i remember about that i'd had a a very bad accident in may of 1976 when the new canaan car they changed the rules for formula 5000 which was an open-wheel single-seater with a five-meter chevy and they said you've got to put bodywork on and when we came to the first race with this new bodywork on uh the car was very good it was quick it was prepared by chaparral cars and i came in the pits after about 15 or 20 laps into the practice period jim hall said how's the cast it's great i said you want to do anything i said yeah let's take a quarter of an inch off the front wing which he did and i went out on the next lap at the top of the 170 mile an hour main street it was up hill the car took off and went 30 feet in there turned upside down came down broke my neck shoulder breast bone and ribs my bruising of the brain which my wife said i've never recovered from are you still doing it all well absolutely i mean this is now here we are you know 15 16 years later and when i was recovering i i thought i've got to race i'm going to aim for the sebring 12 hours in march of 1978 and so i started walking first of all and then trotting and then running and i asked joe hopping who was the great fuhrer porsche i said joe can you find a car for sebring you know not something that's a winning car but something to drive around yes brian yes and he said i have a good car second car with dick barber with bob garrison and with charlie mendes and he said charlie mendes is the racetrack promoter and hasn't done much racing and i don't think you don't know well i i've already raised the race for about five or six years i'd quit yeah my first race back as well in the league now in the best car number nine with a one lap lead over second place 13 a three lap lead over third place 95 you're leading yep right here there's still an hour and a half to go we're starting to worry because the third place car early haywood and bob hagstad i think it was they're really flying they passed shaw and spalding for second shortly after [Music] this [Music] garrettson's getting the honors of doing the last laps charlie mendes kept the turtle car in front really this was a tribute to our more inexperienced drivers not trying to drive over their heads oh that's marge green she was an important part of the team for quite a while so we cruised around and what happens we won so that was a very fond memory for me so we're all there and and the interviews come you know the guy who with the microphone comes up and says okay he says bob he says how was it out there and i said oh it's great yeah he says well how long have you been racing and i said well this is my first race and he gas look on his face and off to the next person he didn't want to talk anymore after that cute but clear something up for me here you guys race primarily in the u.s and imsa which is now professional sports car racing right this one here at laguna is imsa international motorsports association but emsa had a finger in le mans and then there's the world championship of makes that's run primarily in europe but kind of shared a couple of himself events over here in america right right the u.s events being the daytona 24 and watkins glen but le mans the big one our first time at the big event we get stuck way out back of everything we're the new kids on the block so things are pretty crude like that's brian redmond there best place he could find for a nap still it was a huge deal for us oh next year don't let the non-french music fool you [Music] in the weeds at le mans the first year we were up on the hill up in the hill between the two trees and the mud and the other stuff and you i was you had the audacity to wreck the car at 4 30 in the morning and wake me up from my nice sleep i was having in the pit where the the fellows with the rsr had laughed it was about four o'clock in the morning i've been driving for two hours and i had about three laps to go i think before it was time to come in and i had been racing all my two hours stint back and forth back and forth with this other car another 935 and so i figured well i got him this time down the straightaway and i passed him and went into the turn and i think the tires were getting tired and you know i mean i was tired and started to lose the rear end you know just a twitch of the wheel would have would have saved it but i mean i you know didn't cross up but you know something like i don't know what i did but it was over corrected and the car started to go back the other direction and i knew i couldn't catch it if i did catch it it was going to be violent anyway so but it was in a slow turn it wasn't wasn't spinning or anything like that it was just a very very slow thing and i was scrubbing lots of speed off as it was going around as it turned out it hit the wall the outside of the track going parallel to the wall only backwards and then when it hit the wall it caught and started flipping and stuff like that and i said i counted i think about seven times i can remember going i'm wondering when it was going to stop and it finally did it stopped on all four wheels and sitting crosswise on the track and couldn't get out of the car couldn't get the doors open never thought the windshield was not in there and could have climbed right out the windshield but you know trying to figure out how to get the doors on how to get out of the thing and finally those marshals came and just bent the window net out of the way and climbed out through the window they brought the wreck in and we were of course had done very well in the race we were fifth overall first in msu class et cetera but they brought all the debris in and i had pieces of doors and there wasn't a whole lot left to the whole car but those french people were going crazy and i spent about half hour with a big black ink pen writing bob garretts and little pieces of 9 35 so both brian redmond and bob garretson had major accidents and not much comparison actually this one was hard on the car but bob was real lucky and only got bumps and bruises anyway the car looks about dead right well it's not dead yet as we'll see we went over there with high hopes and we had quite a quite an entertaining sponsor especially for ralph racing is a tough sport we were doing pretty well before the accident which puts steve earle and bob aiken out of the race too steve earl's the guy that has the monterey historics so who all was in the other car dick barber brian redman brian ran about a dozen races for us over the years and a guy named john paul senior yeah kind of went off the deep end a few years after this but he was a good driver he and his son john paul jr who's still racing they ended up building some of the best 935s ever so as brian carlton said the redmond barber john paul car came in fifth won the imsa class though and here we go the factory's le mans car for 78 the legendary moby dick moby dick norbert singer himself called it that you'll see why in a minute it's over from the factory museum for some of the 50th anniversary events of all the 935s ever made this is the most famous the factory's most radical extension of the original 911 it's a lot different from the 77 carb the fronts all aluminum subframe like the baby the year before brake diameter is now up to 13 inches and the front tracks wider see the steering wheel first 935 with right hand drive and those radiators there front one's intercooler back one's oil another of those infamous double rear windows more space frame and also first upside down transaxle in a 935 why'd they do that everything's lower which meant the axles the half shafts would be at too much of an angle off horizontal those donuts can only take so much angle mismatch coolant like the rsr turbo you saw earlier this car is pretty well unrestored the engine jerry will talk about it the twin turbos the original moby dick car which was done by the factory specifically for le mans had a completely different motor it had actually a water cooled head motor on it four valve per cylinder and it wasn't related to anything else that we saw here it was a purpose-built uh car and it made quite a bit more horsepower than we had with our air cooled engine interesting that the engine was finished before the chassis was even started and now you begin to see why it's the moby dick imagine it in all white a lot lower than the earlier ones norbert singer re-examined an earlier rule change that allowed you to modify a car's floor and side panel so there'd be more clearance that was for the fat exhaust pipes of turbocharged front engine cars like the bmw 320 but singer interpreted this as a way to raise his car's floor while lowering the body ended up being about three inches lower than the 77 car rear wings way out back so what was it doing in the bay area what do you mean was it's here now for the monterey historics these pictures were shot just a little while ago the roll cage it makes up for the strength loss during the side panel and floor modifications the right hand drive did jerry woods mention a horsepower number no but that would depend on if you wanted the old numbers or the new numbers what's that mean for years it was 750 but these days porsche is saying 845. 8.45 at 8 200. i don't know the boost level on that with torque at 615 and then adding displacement it's a 3.2 liter means more weight so it weighs around 2260 but still this is the car we talked about before doing zero to 60 in 2.8 seconds zero to 62 i should say i remember now how about top speed on the mulsanne now this was in a practice session it was clocked at 366 kilometers per hour in miles that's a big 227 and it did 222 in the race but it was using a lot of fuel to do it only finished eighth mainly because of an oil leak when it first appeared though at silverstone it certainly caused some consternation and then it went out and won by seven laps by the way that notch in the body at the door that wasn't supposed to be there they thought the design had been approved in its original form with the sides as one uniform shaped front to back with some big nacka ducks for cooling but they had to change to this but the whole thing turned out to be pretty darn effective anyway i think we've got to get on toward the end of 78. how'd you do in the imsa championship not that well we didn't run all the events only eight races total one of them was this trans am here recognize her yeah who is that janet guthrie all right ran at indianapolis first woman the guy talking to her was gary evans more or less our team manager there for a while very stylish yeah but unfortunately the texaco deal was only for this one race so how'd janet do not bad got a fourth what made porsche stop racing the 935 the moby dick at least partly because the martini sponsorship was going away but also because at this point there were quite a few 935s around so porsha was mainly racing against its own customers in makes at least so they retired moby dick after four races and one win at silverstone it kind of lived on though because people like yost were able to copy the car so moby dick clones were built a few turns out singer had planned to run an advanced mobi car with ground effects the next season but it never happened who drove the car let's see stomaland and surety at le mans geeks and mosque at the silverstone win did they ever sell just the engine no never did anyway that's what we did in our first year peter gregg there on the left was the 78 imsa champ at least partially with that 935 that dave morse was driving at sears point greg was the man to beat in those days in imsa and in trans am oh nice one when did you get this card i got this car in 79. you debuted at sears point at sears point yeah we had we had run at daytona in the 934 and a half and we'd finished third and uh i had spoke with porsha about um buying parts to update the 9 34 and a half and at that point they convinced me that that wasn't in my best interest it wasn't feasible nor cost effective and that they would build me a new car and i went to germany and met with porsche and they sold us a car but anyway it was uh it was the last or the second of the last 935 ever built from the factory i think it was the last car were built from the factory i believe yes this is the car that was at the reunion and yes bruce has been known to grow a beard or two over the years it was interesting because the porsche factory had committed to building a certain limited number of 935s for imsa and they made an accommodation to build one more for us so porsche felt that you know we would drive the car quick enough and and make a good enough showing that they thought it was worthwhile for them to build another car for us at the time i was racing it we we went through this car and stiffened up the tub somewhat and we changed we changed all the connections well we changed the the the roll bar at terms that we tied it into the body and made the body stiffer and then we uh we changed all the ends on the on the roll bar to make it so that it was it secured better just basically stiffened up the car and then when we got done doing all that work rather than just leaving it aluminum i didn't want to maintain it because in the aluminum you're always cleaning it so i just took and had it anodized black but uh but when we restored the car you know as we raced this card got updated when i restored it i put it almost all back to the original work okay we did leave the suspension upgrades because they're all porsche and it's all stock except the car sits lower but and but we put it back to the water cooled motor we went we we put all the stock body work back on i thought it was a lot prettier and it was what it was when i got it so we put all the original body parts back on i never threw any of them away i kept them so so we put the car mostly back to original we kept some of the upgrades but it's mostly the way it was when the factory built it down it's a 9 34 and a half that's the single turbo what's the difference between driving it and driving this a lot first of all it's i think it's 150 less horsepower than this car i think i think the 934 and a half for about 650 horsepower so it has considerably less power it has a lot more lag because it's a single turbo so you you have to spool up and and wait a lot longer to get up speed where the twin turbo car this is a bigger engine and with the twin turbo car you stand on the gas and it's it's pretty responsive it has a lot of torque beyond that everything's different about it it doesn't have near as big a tires on it and didn't have the the brakes that this car has it didn't have the aerodynamics that this car had with the body work it it looked more like a normal turbo porsche um the 34 versus the 34 and a half the 34 was like a real streak like a real street car yeah it uh and a 34.5 seemed like a huge leap from the 34. yeah and then you get to this car and it's the same league it's a world again yeah it was just for me it was like uh a sprint car on pavement because i was not uncomfortable with the car driving it sideways i wasn't uncomfortable with it being loose in fact it was a huge improvement over being in a dirt car it had a windshield that had brakes it had things we didn't have before so did you ever race one of these in the rain yeah yeah we ran the i ran the lumberman's with uh with uh john pierre i'm ready in the momo car and uh yeah i had about three hours in the rain that was when the interscope i guess they turned theirs into a sprint car remember i think they tore off all four corners yeah actually danny and i got together on the straightaway at ohio during that race and uh we saw a cloud of water which was a car i went out on one side of the car and danny went the other side we came back together after we got around the car and ended up both bumping we didn't didn't affect us we both kept going but uh but it was uh exciting for a minute at least so this is a factory well near factory car from 79 but 79 was an interesting year for us too for le mans we took a bunch of 9 35s over and our drivers everybody from a certain celebrity to the local dentist i read everything i could get my hands on and i i saw that i asked barbara on that friday if uh there was a video or what no no video the first time you got to get in the car is when you get out of the pits uh at le mans i said okay great you know never driven a turbo race car before i own a turbo street car but i don't own a turbo race car i said god oh a street car you know okay so anyway so then i go ahead and i read and read i noticed that barbara bondurant had raced with uh andretti at uh uh at uh le mans and uh so forth and so i figured well okay here we go again so i called bond your aunt and i say well my name is eddie bate okay i said well you know i said i hear that you know i read that that you had raised at le mans and so forth and diverse i read also that you know you had been with the barber team etc and uh i said would i could i pay you could i come up there and and pay you to teach me anything you can possibly teach me so that i can be able to run le mans properly and he said oh you have to pay me he said just come up and take me to dinner he said and i'll tell you everything that i can tell you he said to me when you're in the middle of night there's going to be some thule fog down the mulsane and man you know you're not going to be able to see the trap so briggs honey briggs cutting him told me he said that what you do is of those trees lining the mulching so you just look up in the air and put the car in the middle of the road and just keep on going and everything will work out fine so i did drive one stint from 1 15 to or 1 30 to 4 15 in the morning and man the lightning is going on down at the end of the mulsane and the fog is laying over the track and i've got my thumbs locked into the steering wheel and i'm saying dear mother mary if i'm going to get killed this is it okay but i can't get out of this race car i love it here okay edrid drove at le mans with us in 79 when the great dick barber team went there with four cars so we always figure things will get better and better because the first year we went with two cars we had one [ __ ] box hotel with one bathroom so the next year we go and we got four cars so we upgraded two bathrooms and we used to tell dick finally everybody will get a shower when we come here with 12 cars so it almost worked out that way but speaking of the most on and everything remember this car the one bob garrettson crashed the one you said wasn't dead yet right we pulled everything out of it we could the engine and transaxle pieces bought a new chassis this bodywork here and a lot of other parts from porsche ended up with a low mileage 79 spec 935 fresh for the 79 le mans did it right at the shop a lot of it by the volunteer guys for all the years we raced we had a ton of volunteers and then we had some full-time mechanics that they worked with and so the full-time mechanics would tell them what to do each night and the thing was there was only three or four full-time mechanics guys would come at six o'clock at night from their jobs you know and sometimes we would have dinner brought in sometimes we go out and have a hamburger or something like that but we usually work from 6 to 11 tuesday and thursday night and they just came dove in got their jobs done and that was it i think one of the best compliments we ever got paid we were at a race at riverside and peter gregg who was probably the most well-known porsche driver ever had a little problem i guess you might say with his pit crew and he in fact i think that was the race where he punched his crew chief and knocked him back over the wall and he came over to bob and he asked bob how much are you paying these guys like he was going to hire our pit crew and and he asked bob well how much do you pay these guys and bob's as well gee that guy and that guy and that guy those are the three full-time employees and the other three all right we're all volunteers we don't get paid anything and that peter gregg that did not compute his mouth his mouth fell down to the ground he would turn around walked away shaking his head he could not believe that here was was 15 guys that were out working our butts up beating his crew who was a bunch of paid professional guys there's a bunch of amateurs out there doing it and we're doing it better than his people are well and the thing is you didn't have to worry about stuff like that at the glen when paul newman drove with us and paul would come out to the wall and i'd be running the board and then watch and stumbling is just getting quicker and quicker finally he parks it after the first practice session or first qualifying and we're on the pole and paul is asking me to look at the times and he said well where are my times wearing his and i said hey you don't go quicker you won't get in the car barbara's faster than you are said to him at the time he says you know there's that guy and that guy and myself where the where are the the salaried employees the rest of these guys they come here for fun they don't get paid for anything they have one reward winning and they'll be the first guy to say to me get that movie started hell out of there put a shoe in that car and so he said and that's when he took up the challenge and he sat with stomlin and talked see ralph telling him and you see him shifting and turning the boost an old milk carton in there and strapped paul in we got himself to give permission for a one lap ride and ralph talked to him the whole way around there and next time in the car paul was on i think three three and a half seconds faster just that's how quick and steady he is but he was not going to be left out of the car because he was too slow he learned his lines quicker i always felt that the car was pretty good and the driver needed work uh it was a hard car to drive to its potential wasn't it yeah and uh i don't know that i was good enough i mean i ran the car twice really once at uh at le mans and the other time at watkins we finished second in both races stalin did most of the setups for the cars it was a quick car it was very good to us and we've had every possibility of winning that race i think he should have won them all the year that when paul newman went with his uh no doubt most of you have heard about that where we were the bad guys and the good guys and uh maybe we were trying to race and paul was such a big celebrity over there that you couldn't get near the race car if dick would come in and they would look at our blackboard and that was where we would list what happens driver change brake pads tires whatever and they would say they live on the mall so they will all show up in the pit lane the car comes in and you can't work the team was great and the car was great and the racing was wonderful and uh and exhilarating uh but i just i couldn't handle the crowds i couldn't handle the photographers and it uh it just ruined everything for me i mean i mean i couldn't get from the you know from the the camper to the car didn't even get in the car and at night it's pretty hard if you got about 4 000 flash balls going off in your eyes to go out and start driving i mean i thought they were certainly less than curtis yes if we hadn't had mustache there with his big rope we would have never gotten yeah and it's dangerous as well and then we had his big bad problem with that we seized up a lug nut on the front left front and i had to tear the whole front corner off so we're frantically doing this in the pits took us about 18 minutes which was considered like record time and we had standing ovation from the three million people who were there when we pulled out of the pits again now before that we had been cited by the automobile club doula west for being bad guys because as we get ready to go over the wall and you've got a 19-inch tire here under your wheel and a gun and then you jump over there and kind of whip that airline and that got rid of a lot of people so that you could kind of get in there and greg would uh pick him up on his arm and throw him in the interscope pit down about two down from us and those guys thought this was wonderful hey these guys are giving greg a hard time let's kick his ass you know so these photographers didn't like it automobile club dilla west kind of wrote us up and 10 000 frank fine or for unsportsmanlike condict or something and then when we pulled off this deal and get replaced the front corner of the car and got back in the race and we finished second we went from the bottom of the pile to being the good guys and we had brought paul newman to france everybody thought that was cool and joanne was there and daughter was there riding horses and all this kind of stuff so we all had a wonderful time wonderful but not a win except for imsa class we won that again but at least it was a 9 35 this one that did win overall klaus ludwig drove plus two americans two of the whittington brothers they had their own the whittingtons this is they had their own 935 but this one was faster so they bought it just before the race and it was a tough race for them too is that a model uh-huh quartzo's done a bunch of 935s anyway the reason we thought we could win was there's a toothed belt that drives a fuel injection pump and there's broke out on the course don whittington was driving and he managed to get the alternator belt to run the injection pump use duct tape and who knows what else took an hour and a half to get back to the pits but because of our problems of course the uh the whittingtons were supposed to have been involved in drug trafficking back then but it's still the greatest single achievement of a 935 to me winning le mans overall in 79 and you remember the car that was made into a 935 and 78 yeah it was white that car is the forefather to this car team the kramers they call it a k3 now this one's the original k3 the best of the three 935s the kramers had there in 79. you know even though you guys didn't win this whole thing's pretty amazing winning sebring second at le mans with paul newman for pete's sake can you tell which driver makes his living racing yeah where's his uh budweiser now your lodging wasn't too great right what was that expression brian carlton used hey some of the places weren't bad like malachor here in 79 we liked it enough to stay again the next year yeah not bad for a little porsche repair shop how did that happen just kind of grew catalog sales helped we helped friends with their race cars like testing dwight mitchell's 914 for rigidity in 1972. this is at the hewlett packard plant where i just happened to work at the time built this autocross car did a bunch of autocrossing over the years did a 914 engine for a [ __ ] too and the newman drager team did engines for their off-road cars and that led to pike's peak in 75 and 76. in 76 some young desert driver type named rick mears drove the car that's him there doing some secret tire tweak and the tweak paid off because 1976 was the year rick one pike's peak i remember when we were running off-road you had never had any road racing experience and we got we convinced you and doc sauer i think to get into a super b and that's what got you interested in open wheel cars and the road yeah really you know when we got into the super v and into the pavement running i enjoyed it a lot and it was a lot easier on the body than the off-road in the desert but uh you know but your mother's still doing it oh yeah yeah he's still doing it and having a ball with it and doing it well but but i just i enjoy doing a lot of different things you know and get an opportunity to run on different types of cars different types of tracks anytime an opportunity come by i would take it because it helps the learning curve sure besides enjoy it maybe it's going to help someplace else sure absolutely i mean every time you get into a car you learn something you didn't know about yeah and that's the name of the game you know and there's no no substitute for seat time no matter what it is you're driving that's the truth okay so then after pike's peak and off-road came working on walt moss's 914-6 what was another local guy that's him talking with that paul guy the 914-6 ran in imsa's gtu class now you as in under two and a half leaders walt won eight races in 77 ended up being gtu champion that year plus our man jerry woods 77 was the year jerry got him some mechanic of the year and the year dick barber's 9 34 and a half came into our lives toward the end of the season so the gang at garrettson's we're already semi-established it did get pretty incredible after that though when i was going to college in road and track and sports cars illustrated which was the predecessor of car and driver i read about this race that's 24 hours in france and i said oh geez i'm going to have to save my money you know and go to france and spectate at this race had no idea that from 1977 to 1981 i'd get there four times some dummy would pay my way over there pay for my stay over there and i'd be right down in the pits working on one of these race cars [Music] as far as the rest of 79 it didn't start very well at daytona both cars dnf that was the only time that happened by the way this car the boost gauge was reading low you want to avoid that and the other one we had an intercooler water leak oh jerry built an engine for bruce canapa he and his teammates came in third there but then besides the uh the msa class win at le mans we won sebring again in fact if it wasn't for certain guys named redmond and mendez coming in second we just swept the top three positions we'd obviously taught him too much the year before but i guess first third and fourth ain't too shabby after 12 hours you guys like that sebring track huh we do but we needed to like a few other tracks like the year before we just couldn't justify from a financial standpoint running more than eight races and once again it was mr peter gregg winning the imsa championship in 1979 his last good year in 1980 though things were very different but listen we're about halfway through so how about we take a break uh hey eject that tape would you great i could use a break you

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