Populist Revolution - Will It Go Left Or Right? - Candace Owens & Russell Brand

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do you feel ready I always still ready you believe in God I believe in God with a Fenian aren't we no laughing mean like we are supported by invisible forces that always been kind always I was loved that video about your your grandfather there you obviously love him he's maybe was he still the most important male figure in your life yeah yeah he's probably the only important male figure of my life which is a strong statement to make but that's about right do you have good female figures in your life strong women no I try I try to be that you know I come from a very sort of broken crazy family nine of your uncle's have been incarcerated so you come from a family where that crime is part of his story yeah I mean they're not nine of them but for you know five of the nine of them all spend some time in prison and that sort of trickled down and I have cousins that have spent time in prison and it was just a part of my story growing up and it wasn't particularly unique it's so it's a weird thing to say but in the retrospect like that seems normal to me I mean we're gonna go see your uncle in prison okay sure that's what you do first normal right it's not yeah which really lets you know that you can create different simulations and different pockets of society and until you travel outside of it to have a different experience you think it's just the norm when did that happen for you when did your life transition from what was you know you're early determining context what was the thing they should change first for you well I think I was always sort of an alien child like my mother says all the time when I was a kid they were just weirded out by me I never cried they always thought I could like understand them as a baby in the crib hmm which is really bizarre but the earliest thing that I remember was the for my first playdate which was in kindergarten class I was five years old and there was a girl named Lindsay Tullio she was this blonde girl with blue eyes and we became fast friends I don't I think we had reading class together and her mother invited me over for a playdate and I went to her house and I was just shocked that people lived in the way that she lived she lived in the suburb she had a mass house she had this Victorian concept room she had a nanny she had a playroom and I was I just remember being shocked that this was even a part of life because prior to obviously I existed within the realm of my family I lived in a really small apartment me and my two sisters shared a room and a low-income housing building and it just blew my mind so I think when I was a really small kid I was already considering like how is this asking the question at least which is important in order to get the answer how could people be living such different lives mm-hmm and you either take you know two approaches to it you either say I hate rich people because they live that way or I want to become a rich person and learn how to live that way I think I've always been curious about success and wanted to learn how to be successful myself so my path was somewhat natural in that regard I never I never hated rich people it's a very weird thing to me that people demonize the rich do you hate anyone no I think it's a terrible emotion because it it's you harvest it internally so if you hate someone you hate them you're right they're okay they don't they don't feel that so you always be an aspirational even when you a child you who sounds to me from the we've told me already that you sounds like you had an unusual emotional state that you were sort of quite an independent person yes and that you're I mean even watching you I've watched like quite a lot of your videos and interviews you're very powerful person you've got driven aren't you you've got a strong presence yeah and I've always had that like my teachers hated me growing up I was just extremely assertive I think think about the fucker caveman I think that's a very good question I think I like to say that I was self educated because you don't learn anything in school he learned propaganda you learned how to function in society in the way that the government in society wants you to function so I like to think that because I always had to earn my way through life my parents couldn't afford to put me through school my parents stopped paying for anything for me when I turned 14 years old I was kicked out of my house and I was living with a boyfriend for six months and that was one of those kids you know and so I sort of was self-taught I was console pushing back against arbitrary Authority arbitrary Authority mean that because I'm the teacher and I say go left go left well no tell me why I should go left I need to like need a little bit of reasoning behind this I was always a critical thinker my entire life and that's sort of I but I didn't go to I went to university for a couple of years and then dropped out so I think I'm so smart because I didn't go to university see that thing where you said you're autodidact self educated person what was you reading okay so I when I was a small kid I loved books I would get totally lost in novels and it was a lot of fiction novels that I grew up on I was reading books very bizarre I mean to be like a five-year-old reading I mean an eight-year-old reading Nora Roberts and like Dean Koontz and I just I'd love to get wrapped up in fiction novels so that helped obviously in terms of just my vocabulary and ability to communicate I was always reading I was a big reader total dweeb at home I was cool in school Donald's leave at home and I remember racing even when I was in fifth grade to read the Harry Potter books like one of those people that was in line waiting for them she's a disaster now by the way button issue I mean her books are very good politically she's a total disaster she should stick to fiction because she doesn't understand reality no she doesn't she really does and I'm sorry she wonderful world she created though people just get lost inside of but yeah I didn't start reading political movies and you're fine get comfortable we're gonna be in here for I have you in a mega happy I'm wearing already but just down my trousers so yeah I don't know I I didn't start reading I guess nonfiction until I got interested in nonfiction politics and things of that nature and then I started reading Milton Friedman and dr. Thomas Sol oh yeah I haven't understood any of these references like even those fictional ones you're reading when you're a kid now what these Milton these modern recent ones you know Milton Friedman are the economist yeah and dr. Thomas Seoul is also an economist and but he's a piece of black economist which was the most important reading that I could have done because he just completely makes you understand that people are using and manipulating you because of the color of your skin and he just uses fact-based logic and reasons and world history and we'll bring you back word and forward and you know show you basic theses like they make you think that because you're a minority that means that you're behind and that's the history of the world tells us that's not true you know in the Ottoman Empire the Greeks owned the banks that was a Turkish Empire the Greeks owned the banks and we're doing the best in that economy so he just goes through world history and just shows you pretty much all of the fallacies and all of the emotional arguments that are made and basically tells you if you want to get ahead in life and start from nothing you have to abandon these arguments as emotional arguments and understand the facts and how it is that you can start behind and get ahead and that's what I chose to do do you think there are certain philosophical ideas that may have a truth to them when practiced on the level of the individual but when translated to a social scale become more complex and break down a little sure socialism because it's utopian because it takes about individualism itself because like what what when what I feel kind of sees you you're powerful person you're driven you've come from nothing and you've achieved a lot in your life and it feels to me at least to suggest this to you've not directly said this well I'm actually I think you maybe have directly say stuff like well if I can do this you should do it like now but that kind of for me didn't is to deny your unique abilities and your unique qualities even having Drive and the willingness to work hard is in itself an endowment it's right well I don't say you can do what I've done right I don't say that that you're gonna follow everything that I've done I actually hope that my kids never have to live through you know or see the things that I had to see growing up why would I want that I don't think I mean just that I don't want my children to go see their uncle's in prison or to struggle financially and not to be able to afford to go on a school trip I don't think that that's the necessary thing for you to understand how to become successful but what I do demand is that people abandon a victim mentality right I think that that is has become a cancer in our society mentality yes yes give me give us some background on it because some people won't know what you mean it's just the oppression Olympics you know everybody wants to say I deserve more because I'm more press than you okay well you you might say I might say that I'm more pressing you because I'm black right and and you're white so instantly I'm more oppressed and I deserve more my voice should be louder and then we say okay well you're a man I'm a woman so instantly I deserve even more because I'm a woman you're a male and and women are more oppressed which is totally a lie and I should have my voice heard louder and and then you keep going gay straight and they've created all of these little these little pockets and you have to figure out who is the most oppressed person I guess it would be a disabled black female gay person we probably be the most if you want to win the oppression Olympics that's it and everyone should fawn over you and everything you say should count and should matter and it's it's absolute crap the victim mentality is what's stopping most people from getting from point A to point B sure you mean but if I imagine a like a gay disabled then if you are gay disabled a black female female if I imagine that person I don't like in it and I'm sure there's even within that category I'm sure there's lots of lots and lots of variety but when I think of the most powerful people in the world and the people with the most influence not many of them are gay disabled black females and so I feel well I'm not a by the way a kind of like Mowgli I'm just so you know where we're starting from I feel like the difference between MSNBC and you know bribe our IO and Trump and Obama is so small as to be irrelevant right from my political standpoint these are what I will call the system right well I suppose what I'm trying to illustrate Candice is that it's relative that for me none of those people are offering the kind of social change that's required to create the systems that human beings deserve now like so what it seems to me is that you have a tremendous faith in the ability of the individual to create their own destiny and why wouldn't you because but do you think that that's applicable to all individual I I think 100% if there are of course policies in place that are preventing you from doing that there are not in America at this moment in time so they actually were forming our own oppression by buying into the idea of oppression you know one of the things that harmed the black community the most over these last six years has been the welfare state so what's happening in France right now it doesn't work it doesn't giving handouts and creating a giant government and not creating you know incentives for people to work which is what people want to do it's the human spirit that governments don't seem to understand that policies that are socialist don't seem to understand they don't account for the human spirit we want to be valuable we want to create so when you remove all of that you end up with people that are oppressed and with a variety of problems and you can pick a ton of problems within the black community that I'm trying to reverse it all starts with abandoning the victim mentality the government tells me that I should feel bad for myself for being a woman and being black and make me understand that I'm behind in society you know those are the racists don't tell me that I need to feel bad about myself I don't feel that way and they're in sit and they insist that you do so the greatest challenge and also the most fun I think that I have on these college campuses is that you want to see if a black person you want to see who the real racists are tell you tell people that as a black person you don't see yourself as a victim they lose their goddamn minds that's why they hate me read the articles about me they call me a neo-nazi I mean the Guardian write neo-nazi a supporter of white supremacy because I believe that I can do whatever I want in my life because I have confidence what does that tell you that they're rushing to smear me because I believe that black people can do it without government handouts it means that they insist that black people do it with government handouts otherwise they'd say all right she has a perspective I don't make any policies I'm not in the government now I'm not running for office why does it bother them so much right me like I feel you but what what I'm saying is it's like where is gum compassion and love in your philosophy where is the place for that well what do you mean if somebody compassion to me is not telling people that they should be coddled because of the color of their skin I think that that's that sort of that either I don't worry about either and like but this is let me tell you this I thought like say my background doesn't sound nearly as challenging as yours might what you might call from I'm talking prior to celebrity which would be that I'm imagining the only things you'll know about me but like the prior to that I grew up in an ordinary household single-parent family my mum was sick a lot when I was a kid I had sort of intermittent access with my bad you know relatively regular but like that my parents weren't together and then I became a crack and heroin addict when I was in my late teens and and I feel that there are what I want to say like I feel that there were social factors there I think that if I was from a different background had access to different resources that I may have received psychological or spiritual import different points now I'm not complaining about my life I've channeled money and I've got good family and stuff and I'm really really happy but I think to deny social factors in the cultivation of the individual really plays into the hands of the already powerful oh but I don't I actually don't deny those social factors so one of the lp pilatus problem facing the black community is father absence but that's being incentivized by our government so the black a single motherhood rate was 23% in 1960s before welfare programs were implemented today at seventy four percent in the black community that's because they literally will give a black mother more money from the government if the father doesn't live in the home I'm actually really alieve in a two-parent home you can just look at the statistics to see that children are better off when they have two parents but think about what's perpetuated in our media think about radicalize feminism we can do it without men F men we hate men that's why I fight these concepts because what you're talking about is true that's not what people are talking about the political realm they want to get rid of all of that in favor of more government more government more governments it's become increasingly radicalized and it's harming the individual and their chances you know when you come from a two-parent home where single-parent there there are tons of statistics that prove that what you're saying is right but my compassion towards that is when i go and i combat feminism right when i go and i wear him to shirt to the Brett Kavanaugh hearings in the back ol because I don't believe in the me to movement right I think it's been radicalized I think that it's it's it's a harmful feminism I don't even like calling it feminism because it's it's just a means for people to secure power and it's cloaked as feminism and that's that's how I exercise compassion and exercise compassion when I go fight for the first step backs and I understand that many people that are in prison are in prison because they grew up in that environment where they didn't have any parents raising them my mother grew up in group homes and didn't graduate high school she didn't end up in prison but she could have very well could have and so you exercise compassion by having those conversations those aren't the conversations that are being had at the political level I don't think that is exercising compassionate I think that's exercising analysis critical thought and the intellect which I would never challenge you on you're obviously very adept and very strong in each of those areas let me let's go into different territory for a moment am i right in thinking that you suffered from anorexia when you attract younger yes I suffered from anorexia for about four years wow that's pretty serious how do I can't stop eating I was like well what's interesting is that and you're an interesting person I talked to you about this because there is a spiritual component of anorexia when when you were here there is when when when you starve when you starve the body the money that's why people do this these fastings and many religions when you when you starve the body there's almost a mental clarity that takes over and that's what I think becomes addicting for most people like for me was never about weight and for most people it's not about weight it's usually when you learn about anorexia they tell you that it's usually a manifestation people trying to assert control over their lives and that's what it is it's the one thing you can control when you feel like there's chaos is what you put in your mouth and your body so that was for me after going through a unique situation and feeling that my whole life was out of control I just manifest it as an eating disorder and I had it for four years on and off but like you know pretty if you saw pictures I mean I was like thirty pounds skinnier maybe even 40 pounds skinnier than I am now which is insane did you get any help no I helped myself which is crazy right but I mean what was I gonna go talk to I'm a smart person so I think it's it's harder and I don't know this I'm saying this is a thought you know Jordan Peterson Trapattoni from right or wrong he's the one that's got you know the doctor the doctorate for this stuff but I think that it's really hard for people that have a higher IQ to go get help we're not a one-time that I went to therapists those with my parents my parents say they were in a try therapy the woman was just she was just a total moron I mean literally everything that she was trying to say to me and my family wasn't helpful and I think that me feeling like I didn't find someone that was smart in the chair probably sort of turned me off but if I had sat down with dr. Jordan Peterson first I probably would be like yeah therapy's great but no I didn't I I just got better the therapy was ineffective because you've found the therapist intellectually and analytically in it yeah you can't just breathe into I just got better because anorexia that very very serious mental condition I've got friends suffering with that and it's like although I'm a drug addict a recovering drug addict yeah and like my own experience of addiction is is that precisely that it's trying to deal with the deficit wait not and my belief is that it's a spiritual deficit a lack of connection and a dissatisfaction with the material world and inability to allied into systems that seem erroneous duplicitous meaningless and a powerful need for some values some spirit now like when I like I feel that it perhaps is a comparable that the addiction is underscored by I want to say some certain universals whether it's an eating disorder sexual obsession right or you know like obviously drug addiction and and I what I'm curious about is how that would be resolved how that would end where that would like identify the issue what caused my anus order I actually realized that you know went through this experience in high school that was classified as a hate crime what was that it was those racist lands right right well I don't consider them recent they do think that that was part of the reason that they left me racist voicemails and then it became this or but I don't think so that is racist visual racist that's the question can you do something without having to carry a label for the rest of your life can you say something off-putting which I'm sure you've done many times right does that make you a racist that make you a sexist can you do an additive the home without having to carry a label for the rest of your life do some of the six okay okay I hope not actually that that's my point so for the situation there's no forgiveness how we go that's the wrong world that was my problem so they did something it was remarkably stupid we were all so well they left racist voice tell me what they said well I don't think I can say those words on here but you can main word your way for it okay so it like dirty n-word horrible or and feather that dirty n-word put a bullet in the back of your head like martin luther king right terrible stuff I brought a lot about the Americans have rights but why did they do that right nobody cares about the Y they just want a rush and call people racist look I'm still adjusting yeah and here's how I got through my name is worse so this thing gets happens it gets taken out of control gets blown up it's on the front page of a newspaper and suddenly people are discussing you and I I'm a program in high school I'm 17 years old it's not what people want it didn't want that to be you know my high school story especially getting ready to go to school you felt that your personal experience was reappropriation and told back to you that you used as an object in someone else's nary that's exactly correct and and then now terrible racism for you experience there happened from there I'm gonna challenge you on that ready go so you say that's terrible racing that I experienced I say as a white man okay or or a couple of high school kids for there were four kids in that car one of them I knew three had never laid eyes on me and never even seen me they uh this the youngest person in the car was 14 I really label a fourteen-year-old racist for the rest of their life me this is insane but of course it sells newspapers right this terrible thing happened in our town and people suddenly are invested and moms or suburban moms are writing letters to the editor and everyone's like you know in this because nothing happens and now they have something that's happened and the media took what should have been a teaching moment for children okay why did they do it well maybe they had their first beer one guy in the car is upset with me because I stopped hanging out with him was I got my first boyfriend he said we're gonna call her and leave her a voicemail oh and she's black okay you give a a drunk drunk 14 year olds a phone by the way there's no emotional connection nobody ever talks about technology and how easy it is to be mean now right you can't do that to my face they have called me those things to my face no of course not it's hard to be mean in person but leaving a voicemail I'll say anything to this Cup alright this is Russell Brand I'll say anything does go into the Russell Brand okay but this is what I'm saying so people are even consider that we were the first generation that had RAM and I think it's not pronounced Instagram that's a strange Instagram Instagram on a penny-farthing bicycle going past under a person that way we should be on that Instagram I'm with you on the emphasis on the last syllable of Instagram I'm coming with her on that journey now it seems to me that that was a traumatic incident and you're a response to it well I can't hear ya which freak serious also yeah but I think it's admirable that you're willing to be forgiving of the perpetrators of that you know because they admittedly were kids but I don't think that that there's a few things that I think and I also agree with you that the media capitalize on certain types of hysterical like I saw what kind of hits they require to because it says you know I don't think there was a genuine oh no we were actually really shocked that this racism's happen how can we India I don't think that's what the energy but newspapers around on I would agree with you on that as well but but the fact that you're beings forgiving of that incident and willing to let go of that incident doesn't negate for me the fact that the particular language they used may have been Sophie resource I just want to ask you about some things it happened to me the other day I'm like a like there's a English black footballer called Raheem Sterling bloody good footballer actually software in your language and like someone called him either a mang Cu NT or a black C u NT so like he's pissed off about it Raheem Sterling I mean the gut yeah yeah the go yeah the guy lost his job like you know we can discuss that aspect in a minute but like what I was like in Raheem Sterling like instagrammed I instagrammed into the ground instagrammed a post saying like his two stories once about like a black footballer buying his mom a house once about a white footballer buying his mum my house and the one about the white football is like lovely young white footballer buys mum house and the one about the black footballer by his mum houses thrash little bastard nice mum house right so Raheem Sterling brilliantly like sort of selects these two stories about the same subject and notes how one is rendered as a kind of like negatively and one is rendered positively by him sternly says that this is racially motivated now like I don't think I need to be a black person to say yeah that for me aligns with the way that the media functions in perpetuating certain narratives and whilst you say the perpetuation of the victim narrative he's disempowering african-americans or perhaps even black people worldwide I'm not fully sure of how or the breadth of your philosophy I think it is what I want to say myopic to suggest the the powerful cultural narratives and historic oppression don't play a part in people's current economic poverty whilst the way out of that I would accept accept would be in individual culpability an individual will not everyone has that right not everyone has then everyone has that drive that power some people need support now will the role of the state and the veracity of the state intentions are certainly things I question as well do I think that the Democrat Party a super kind wonderful people well we better have a look at the last 20 years how did that work out how was how were African Americans treated under Barack Obama died so you know that we've got the evidence des is in its right neither party works particularly well but for me to deny that there is an impact of social economic and historic conditions on the individual experience of people and that and those conditions are not affected by race for me I don't think that's true well first off I want to go to your two articles because you use the word myopic okay you you use the sample sale a sample of two articles to come up with this great conclusion right is every single I understand that is every single article about a black person buying a house negative or did you find one that wasn't and do a compare of now hold on is every single article of a white person buying a house positive or did you find an article of white person positive and now you've you uses to say that this means that every single white person that an article is written about is true or false I have a problem with this data set and this is what we see over and over again it's the same thing that they do when they extract the sixteen unarmed black men that are shot and killed by police officers every year forget to mention that there's a higher rate for white people you need that same thing that is dent universally see I'm Russell Brown because firstly it was rocking sterling so that counts for all times it by a thousand hold on one saying is is you I'm gonna get Raheem Sterling's number and you can pull him out because he's probably better create a simulation once I sign and now it's universal truth here on the Russell Brand are amazing this is me for a second please what I'm saying is is that whilst of course all of us can construct narratives by selecting information that supports our idea Raheem Sterling didn't do this in a bit on the saturday someone screams racial abuse to him on the next day he goes well look I'm not surprised because you know because I experienced a lot of this treatment at a subtler level in the way that I'm hounded in the press this is his personal experience that Raheem Sterling is recounting and then we look at the rest of the information and say Oh what does it seem to be like for young black men in England is are there any commonalities economically are there any judicial or criminal issues where there's a commonality it's not just that these narratives being cherry pricked there is also the arisen on incarceration of young black men in America for example disproportionately commit crimes in America so are we not supposed to be arrested because but you're doing the same thing there Candice you're extracting that BFA without saying well what are the economic conditions of Lebanon in America but now we're missing this no you're missing this I agree that we have been that we are we are economically depressed as black Americans where I'm talking about what we disagree on is a solution okay well you know I think so we can economically depressed because we bought into the myth that government's gonna fix our problems we have disproportionately been voting for Democrats for the last 60 years okay so all of our problems are because by marrying and Emmas proportionately taketake welfare programs we just report disagree on the motion well well I will work that's right so I guess in this one we're not disagreeing you're saying that I'm ignoring the fact that there been economically depressed and the economical depression then leads to higher crime rates I agree with all of that okay what we disagree on or perhaps what people disagree with me on a lot are the solutions for it okay and I point out the fact of how we got your solution if you don't understand how we got here in terms of buying into the idea that the government was going to fix everything because you think it's all this victim entity it is and they've been able to sell the easiest person to sell social some to is a wealthy person go to Hollywood there they're like the number-one socialist because they feel guilty about socialism no no but it's because about their wealth you you are the perfect stereotype of somebody that I could get to grow government with frost oh look at these poor people look at how well you live look at this podcast studio don't you feel bad as a white straight male that all of this is going on oh of course that's what should I do use your platform to tell people that this is wrong and that you you become the voice that actually allows people to grow government what it does is it creates opportunities for black Americans I want to kneel on an element with me that's your normal argue move normal people oh you can have two I'm actually just having that smile using that let's have some rules you can this right you got me all fired up cuz I'm not like I'm not I'm if anything an anarchist an anarcho-syndicalist that I agree with you yeah decentralized government but I work where I feel you and I are gonna disagree is on the level of extending compassion love give out hugs well what do you mean how would you how would you how would you learn it Elden minute you're the class yeah but like but I also want to ask you likely when you're what is your solution if we both agree that there that's or centrist left and you can't call those people communist you really can't like it like this so there's the difference between them is kind of negligible between the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is negligible in terms of like a holistic global philosophy to inculcate and spread real meaningful change alright so so what but you is a conservative a believer in conservatism what is the solution we want limited government we want free markets and in a society where people we've had that we've go back now oh you maniac first off it is working in America this is why this is the lowest rate ever for black unemployment is right now in a Donald Trump who's allegedly the most racist president if you read The Guardian right like he's so races it's so racist well he sucks at racism because black Americans are doing so much better there's been a 400% increase in black owned businesses because there's opportunities he's he's making sure that there are actually opportunities you really might sort of figure yeah those are figures when people yell when governments go and we found out that the unemployment no they've just welfare for a load of people you know four hundred percent growth in black businesses you know there'll be some state in state sponsored initiative where you can start your own business a some bullshit thing no no that you can't trust them if you don't hey like you know what like if you like did don't believe in the Democrat pie how can you believe in the Republican Party anybody ever heard me say vote Republican I don't know yeah yeah I mean I'm an I'm independent okay so I vote based on the candidate and the only candidate that I believe in is Donald Trump and let me tell you him he's neither Republican or Democrat which was so interesting to watch you on the view let me tell you I'm in a rush I've watched you before I used to watch your YouTube channels before I even was conservative I used to watch all of your thoughts against guys really smart he's really got it you understand the problem with the establishment and but what you didn't realize was that Trump was anti-establishment because and you know why you get fooled by wealth you think wealth automatically makes you establishment doesn't obviously he's not establishment or he wouldn't have the entire mainstream media and two parties that were opposing him he was the antithesis of all of that and he came and he slammed all of it anyone so I'm a trump supporter and if people call that Trump lickin's like you know you're the portion of the Republican Party because he had to run on either one ticket or the other he ran as a Republican but Trump is by no means he calls it the swamp for a reason and do you think that truly that the establishment is opposed to Trump I don't like that that media noise and static and shash I read the stuff about him but he's the President of the United States and what do you really think he would do for vulnerable ordinary people and do you not think that certain like that a commercial and capitalist society does create huge hierarchies and pyramids that lead most people to be not most people as a significant percentage of the population to not have access to sufficient resources and create systems that are unfair it's not because some person is less driven than me I was able to accomplish more and I was rewarded for it that's unfair no that's not unfair as long as we are provided the same opportunities which in America our system is if you work hard and you're willing to work hard you will be rewarded now your system because some people do and by the way capitalism is the only economic model that lifts people out of poverty social some does it it's killed 100 million people that catches him like that after like they bowed out capitalism like just ten years ago capital is about the biggest lump of communism in history like it just was a completely state-sponsored the whole thing's artificially inflate okay system surviving by the merits that it espouses we're talking in 2008 if we're talking about corruption and bail I don't think they should have been bailed out I do I yeah so IIF I agree with ya yeah 100% agree with you that's exactly right cuz that's not true capitalism that wasn't true so what should it happen them they should have let them go under I'm sure the core number and we're always T in the people that paid for that bailout had their houses reclaimed that before had their houses foreclosed right to be angry won't get an argument for me do you think that Donald Trump's gonna address that no a right we're gonna goldman sachs was shutting down banks with we're giving these people their unfortunately he wasn't the president i've seen but he is now and do you think no he's not going to he'd run on that heat but he what he is going to do is maybe philosophies basically in alignment we've thrown or capitalism is what we're talking about and that's something that we i'm fully against you know so but I'm talking about your says an economic model capitalism is the only proven model that lists people out of poverty which is why I agree with that right and but that wrong doesn't do that yes it does that's why that why do you think America is America what made America America what are you talking about when you say America do you think there is one thing called America underneath the flag like we're like UPI a this is America yes is the America of poor you know there's America of rich people there's all sorts of America a source of experience remain in America it is proven that if you make good choices if you stay out of trouble if you don't have children out of wedlock and you have a job you will right there's like moral courage if there is that's it and you'll be successful that's it that's all you have to do but in the interim you're in a part of a school system that sells you a thousand ways that you're being victimized and people as opposed to going to work are wearing pussy hats and protesting a fair and free election I do agree there's aspects of the education system that is usually disempowering anger fair enough like disempowering to ordinary people I think we do disagree on some of the solutions now see imagine this like you when you were like fourteen you've got the anorexia and you don't need you can't get therapeutic help because you're too bloody clever what do we do in the instance of a a young woman or a girl that suffering from anorexia and doesn't have your Drive what happens in this situation this is a person wouldn't you agree that requires help compassion love support and who do you propose should provide to that hopefully her parents wife her parents what do you know the government's gonna just like create programs for anorexic to go to places I mean if an anorexic seeks help you know it seeks therapeutical help and they have to go bad if the government do that's to me it's ridiculous it's so ridiculous it just spent millions on bailing out banks why can't we bail out so men are not bailing on anorexic they say no doubt the banks the government is not God they are not the solution all your problems families the community your friends things of that nature people forgot about that whole thing that happens right we're like where's the girl gonna go does she have parents is there anyone home so before you start worshiping the government to fix it what am I gonna do I don't have any money in my account is there a government program that will fix it what am I gonna do I have anorexia is there a god this is what's wrong with the world people don't remember life before government was big I'm astonished by is your belief that the government is this friendly benevolent machine powering yet you want to grow it you think there's Department walk around with their binders and they'll do inspections seriously you do agree with that I died let's no I think I don't oh you foolish the anorexic programs for government we just create knowledge right from a list we're tasting it from your taxes are going up considerably for my cuddly cozy anorexia program and we need a further 10% for little puddin and pie trike addicts the slow down in the dumps think this individualistic culture is in itself destroying the principles at a spiritual human level of community do you not think when people see this economic inequality this disparity I'm not talking about hate in your little rich friend Lola bill whoever it was you went round a seer nanny and were infuriated by before oh well maybe one day I'll have my own nanny do you not think that economic inequality creates in a human being a sense of injustice of unfairness because people do know war candies 90% of people are rich do you know why they're rich they was born rich I tell you something I think that economic disparity creates that feeling but a fundamental understanding in economics can you know that most people that are rich are born rich it's not like there's a tiny minority of people that are like you that come from a poor background and manage to overcome it and this is what's a problem I've noticed with a lot of great people is they sort believe that their greatness is something that can be replicated and I don't think it can I see so I believe in the individual you don't believe the differences but the primary goal of the individual should be to serve the community I I do not believe that the primary goal you're discounting the human spirit let me ask you know there's not in humanity think of animals in the wild even have to go to humanity we can just think about animals in the wild what is our human instinct okay are you going to make sure that everyone on this block is fed before you feed yourself do you go around and say hey if you at breakfast this morning this morning hey are you gonna make sure you're and if you have and if you have an excess of course you're going to do the humans a human condition in our incentives are going to be wanna help any Balto 1inc says the reaches 15 people on the planet have got as much cumulative wealth as the poorest 5 billion but your that's an excess okay excuse me first and foremost you're talking about literally point zero zero zero zero one percent of the world is what it's about okay and what and what are they preaching what do they want socialism so that nobody else has the opportunity to become what they've become there are the ones that are pushing for are you kidding George Soros doesn't want socialist policies Jeff Bezos the richest man in the world doesn't want socialist policies they want to make sure that no one else has the opportunity to get when they discuss our language menu because what we do here's what my socialism looks like take Jeff Bezos he's wealth from him except for a reasonable stipend for him to live on something like you know and you can have ten million a year or something tax Amazon to the ground so that so the rich people pay for eighty five percent of all the taxes you think they should pay for even more do you think that's that's that's that's back yes that's a fact the top 10% pay for 85% of all the taxes when people say they're gonna raise their taxes more I'm just like how much more should we just say just pay for all the taxes I say I say this that there is no when you you about to use a an example from the natural world and I mean no I was gonna say I'd the instinct and when you're in when you're in the natural world is that you feed your family first you're not the idea that's also create go no longer in the natural world are we we're in a world of sort of accumulation and excess and I don't think it's even working I wonder about so if you know look I'm I want because you could say where do you draw the line cuz I'm look at me I've got money now I'm not poor anymore and I'm not going right I'll just take everything that's you know like the thing that I do agree with when I see you like sort of right wing commentators talk like they talk about people that are in inverted commas from the left and they go well why don't you put some refugees in your house why don't you give up your money and the reason is because people are selfish and in all of us there is a kind of battle between like some of my impulses candies are I just wanna I just want pleasure and fun and I don't care about anything except myself that's in me that's in me and it's strong but I personally think I don't feel good when I live that way there are consequences for me and there are consequences for other others so I kind of want to live within systems that encourage collective and communal values instead of demanding that people give up their Sufis theft but it sounds pretty when you say there's encourage incentives know when the government comes in demand yeah I hear to someone else this enough you keep translating what I'm saying in you're not talking about that you're translating what I'm saying into rhetoric that you can argue with creating straw men of my words as we go so I'm not saying that I'm saying I'm not saying I'm not espousing the values of big government I'm not saying that there's any political party that currently exists that in any way represents my views I'm just asking if in politics both personally and collectively there's room for a little more compassion and love and whilst I agree with your that the that there is something easy to fetishize about individual achievements in your own case or wherever we see greatness we can't take that example of the ability of the individual to overcome adversity to condemn people that haven't been able to but where is there a role then for compassion and kindness I'm not saying there's not a big government and take away their politics so my thing is that the cocoa the conversation could become should be completely separate Americans give 500 billion in charity every single year okay it has been proven that when you lower the tax rate when you when you government stays out of our paycheck we actually give more that we're inclined to if you have more money and you're able to do it of course you want to give and you want to help when the government is saying we're gonna tax your business if you're successful you're gonna get taxed more you know what is the incentive for you to want to jump and build a business if you know that you're gonna be penalized for it you're gonna be penalized for success that's why we believe in limited government I say we obviously I work for an organization Turning Point USA oh yeah well it's all about it's it's a you know winning burning point turning point you're watching in the UK the UK that's what this whole trip is about sounds you're out in a minute you're launching turning point and like turning point is what what are we you want us to turn to we it's conservative principles taught in a school system because the kids are learning this lolly dolly merry-go-round the world's gonna be purple and and we're all gonna have lollipops in the school systems and then possibly from your podcast doesn't haven't watched enough episodes if it's just not it's it's it's the truest the economic model of letting people find success because they're willing to work hard if you don't want to work hard you shouldn't be rewarded I don't believe in that I don't believe well what about the person doesn't have your drive more shrewd economic systems govern the way that we live our lives why is there not room for people to be different why is it that a person you value worth should be distilled into that's called the natural market makes that go away it is problem you can't make that go away no matter what in any time you in the history of the world where there hasn't been some given some take you can't you cannot do you can't make that go away there's no magic wand that you can wave that's going to make human incentives and what happens in humanity go away doesn't matter how rich or out poor society is there's going to be give there's going to be take people are going to create natural markets hey I have 3 apples I'll give you two apples if you give me this I mean that's it just happens this is the way the world works yeah I appreciate that we have certain natural impulses to trade and to cooperate as opposed where you and I are arguing vociferous ly and passionately Candice is on the front of firstly I disagree with you that there are no social and economic factors that contribute for example to the phenomena of poverty and persecution of African Americans or people of like in this country I think the experience of being a Muslim is probably difficult because of the way Islam is reported about you know that doesn't mean that you know like I don't see that there's this thing called terrorism but that in itself is somewhat underwritten by the colonial project it's like you sort of deny that history has happened no I'm not lying words happen I'm just denying that I'm that I live in history I don't live in history I only present this is what people harp on then this is why they want you to focus on this when you're in school look at what happened that's why you're oppressed no it's not black people were actually outpacing white Americans in the 1950s under Jim Crow in terms of economic growth until we implemented the welfare programs we were outpacing them there were businesses because our families were together there was that the divorce race isn't what it was people were married our families were together we had jobs we have starting businesses my grandfather did better than my father did okay my grandfather grew up in a segregated south how did he do that because there there wasn't all of this crazy nonsense he never took welfare there wasn't all this government regulation he started his own business and that is how you create a successful individual my grandfather never ever once considered himself to be a victim he doesn't he doesn't think you play to make them use anecdotal examples of individual that's not what I'm telling you the parent into a system of government I don't think you can realistically argue that the removal of welfare will make people go I'm gonna become a go-getter now because I think there are you cannot say because it's not anecdotal it's it's a fact hüseyin argue it black people were doing better under Jim Crow economically than we're doing today how is that possible explain it to me I want to learn I think the same way that you're saying that people have an automatic impulse to trade I think we also have an automatic impulse to help one another yes and I think that what maybe has happened over the last I don't know hundred years perhaps is part of you know it sort of a post-colonial thing there's been such disparity such bifurcation of worlds that there's an impoverished class that are forgotten and I would say deeply underserved for me I'm not qualified to talk on the issue of race but from for me intuitively a lot of what you say is God I know that some like black people are really offended by and hurt by it and feel that it's a denial why aren't you trying to talk about race because I've have no personal experience of being a black person I'm never no one's ever used the n-word qualify to talk about race I know I'll talk about anything in fact I mean 90% of the things I say I'm just making up as I go along I'm like but my fact is my factories is the same way that I don't know about that what the female experience is this is what I know what it's like to be I do know what it's like to feel oppressed I do know it's like to feel not hurt and dunno it's like to feel vulnerable and I do feel that as a person that can be quite rapacious quite greedy quite individualistic that when I live within systems that encourage those aspects of my nature by saying look you make your own luck in life if you're willing to work hard you can become anything no matter where you're from in a sense my life journey has been that I'm a lonely working-class family in Essex single-parent family and now whoop-dee-doo I'm rich but that has not left me thinking yeah fuck you everyone else so I wanted I want to drive I want to drive this point home because it is you used to be more in on the Hollywood scene in LA but this is why when these leftist politicians want to sell these ideas that are essentially just gonna do to make sure that nobody has an opportunity but everybody's married to the government they turn to Hollywood because it's so easy to make you guys feel guilty I'm not them guys anymore but it's so easy to make people like you you could still say that you're you're in the the sphere of influencers Hollywood influencers you started your career as an actor right I mean so you could still say it's so easy to make them feel guilty because most of them aren't really politically savvy they can't have even this question that we're having you have no idea what's going on but they know that they feel so guilty about being wealthy that I can come to you and I can say to you who feel guilty about really because people make them feel guilty I mean welcome they don't understand economics they don't realize that they provide jobs okay when Kim Kardashian became Kim Kardashian Oh should she feel guilty about that how many people are now employed because of the car - an empire how many people are employed because of Twitter you know because Jack Dorsey created Twitter and they feel guilty about it why do you think you provided opportunities for people I guess yeah I think as human beings we should aspire to greater goals than simply fulfilling a predetermined economic role worshiping continually at the altar of Finance we must do better worship right there we must look for a best solution I don't know if you do you believe in God right and what is a belief in God if it's not essentially the belief that underneath hatred is love and underneath the individual is oneness and that what we do to one another we do to ourselves and vice-versa that we need to create systems that are reflective of our benevolence of our kindness that's all we don't know if you want to be good and you want to be benevolent you can exercise that in your personal lives we you and I are discussing politics well you've done is that you've blended in your mind that politics and goodness and oneness all should go together hell no okay there is no such thing as a good government that's why we want it limited the idea that government is not going to become corrupt when you exercise these these these practices of goodness okay and that's what they do they sell the public we're going to be good for you and we're gonna extract all of your dollars everyone is going to be equal equally poor incredibly naive thing to say and I'm startled that you've said it the reason that they want government to be impeded is because it's easier to make money when this huge deregulation that's why there was the 2008 crash because the previous 20 years they've been loads and loads of deregulation under the Clinton you know life for me you know they all they all end up in the same basket right oh so you're admitting that government is corrupt and yet you think the government is solution to solve crime government about different I'm not talking about likely to talk to you because I actually think that you know because we are seemingly from so far apart there we have an odd unity in that we both agree that government as it currently exists is order I want to say unacceptable ineffective negative malevolent solution kind of government but and you think the solution is to give yet more power to the already powerful I think the government only function is administrate individual national corporation the individual no no I never said give mortgage away the individual more power would you I don't want to give ups I don't want to give up all of my rights to a government that's arbitrary that's going to tell me how to live and tell me what to say defecating was gonna take away your rights how could they but what but what I'm interested in what I'm interested yeah thing you need to call anybody you're enough as you are what I'm interested in is what I believe is the government other sort of bureaucratic arm of corporations transnational corporations and I think like you know look at sort of any government that tried to impose serious restrictions on the way the Amazon trade and the way that Amazon are taxed would suffer we can't do that in this country like when you're gonna win this talk of a sort of a more left-wing government gaining the power the city's flexes its muscles everyone starts to brick it I mean I was like you know shit themselves it's so terrifying right so you know for me like centralized bipartisan democratic governments as they currently exist are meaningless and ineffectual completely agree with you there but my concern is is that we need to find new ways of curbing the power of big business I'm not talking about some lovely bloody florist making their way in life or people that are entrepreneurial that is limited they're not working all right but now that's why we like Trump cuz he's disruptive because he's talking about it we're talking about Google should be broken up it's a monopoly I don't agree with monopolies right Google is a monopoly it's a worldwide monopoly i I have said it vocally a thousand times Google should be broken up Amazon is prompt problematic these are things and issues that Trump is tackling if that's why the establishment found this you don't know even if that Mark Zuckerberg you know testifying these he's starting to attack this because he understands that what you're talking about is real balettan and the right combined right and and that's why I say I'm not a Republican I don't want to be associated with the swamp Republicans or the leftists who pretend that they're you know they care about people but in reality this extracting dollars in power for themselves as they grow government to make sure that just the baroque rats enrich their pockets that's what Trump is disrupting it's hard for people to process that because Trump is wealthy but that is what he's doing I mean if you look at every policy he's made in terms of all the action that he's implemented that is why there is a war on him an all-out war in terms of the media the same is happening in in other countries he sort of populist movements are starting to arise I mean I support them in Italy and in Brazil as well like most people who are wealthy because their vagina that he emerged from belong to a world very well on top of that so I discredit what he done what he's built is that's you really like him most people fail you know because this is this is what I don't like you know people say because you fail no it's a pretty funny he's hilarious I mean the people that can't enjoy Trump I feel bad for them he's poorly hilarious he says things that everybody's thinking and he's calling out people that have been impossibly corrupt for him to say locker up Hillary should be in prison most Americans feel that way what she did to Haiti alone what the Clinton Foundation did to Haiti alone they shall be locked up and no fans of the Clintons I'll tell you that now but he had the balls to say it what politician everybody else is all but it's the Clinton that's the dynasty is the Bush's it's you know we can't say these things Trump just says it they're all corrupt as you like that you like these is sort of a rabble rouser but the thing that I would concern me is that I feel that our social systems will need to look beyond charitable handouts I wonder a world waste of your ideology was realized as I'm starting to understand as I listen to you like the these of the individual on impeded and impaired reaching for Nietzschean glory what happens to people that are not endowed with the facilities to achieve that because some you know that we are existing on a spectrum as you say some people just need a bit of help and a bit of love to tell the truth if I hadn't been helped to get into a treatment center I don't still be on drugs if I didn't have other people helping me to stay clean one day at a time I think I might relapse I'm held invisibly held by relationships of people that are kind and compassionate to me and if it wasn't for the landships does if the government shrinks is that your friends just gone well about the government though although you just said that someone's gonna have to break up these monopolies and I don't know you think it's going to do that goldman sachs that's what this company our country was founded upon you just accidentally call it [Laughter] but like you know Britain was essentially just the sort of a front for the colonizing powers of the East India tea call right honey not leaving I believe in limited government that I believe that government should come because we learned from you know the the nineteen late late 19th century early early 20th century that once if business is run and they'll eventually create monopolies and that's what we're seeing I think happened with Google and the function of the government is to protect us against that so that there's opportunities for the little guy and small businesses to get in and to compete with these bigger companies so I think that can ever work on a global level now with this of the the way that trade operates and with the and with there being such powerful monoliths already in place will those powers ever guild any of their potency what would make Google Amazon the Silicon Valley Giants the the energy giants the forces that we know were behind this of the recent Middle Eastern oil Wars what will make those companies yield to some of their power what would do that what force could oppose that only the people and under what banner do the People unite it's like you try to it feels to me that you're taking away the the capacity for human beings to unite under by then agree with divisive policy of your this gender your that color I think we are one and we should look for ways to find common connections I've got more probably more in common with you even though there's so much different about political and believing in that we're both Malfi individual yeah that's exactly right and I agree with that and I think that that's important discussion to have but when I in terms of how I use my voice and what I'm talking about I'm in the realm of politics and I don't I think that the problem is is that people want to insert compassion in to the political realm too much you know that these just management what is politics is not about helping human beings gain access to resources I really think that what should be the function of a politician what do you think they don't tell me you're the bloody expert means a point or a turning point what should it be right I mean I think it's gotten to the point now that it just becomes about them trying to enrich their own pocket or should it be I think it should be they are there to protect the rights of the people that have already been established you know that they're they're supposed to be representing their kind of people there will be bloody established what about now people that need help making sure that their rights are protected that they're able to create in and that they have opportunities and the idea that you can that they'll still have opportunities if you grow government it has anything about so many like nothing nothing it's killed 100 million people in the last 100 years it's it's it's jarring to me that we have people that are running around saying that it's good again especially in Europe I mean you guys really should understand that ocean doesn't work I mean like really like I'm Spokane that never got like what is it going to take for you how many times do we have to get the phone call in America hey don't you dare you would last the last war you're causing this one because we're like really guys again we're doing it again like no it's different this is different jeremy corbyn's like a Democratic Socialist who says a lot of anti-semitic things you know it's like really how many times do you guys have to what's it gonna take for you guys to learn your lesson I mean that's how I feel at least in America and I love my bricks look we we fight we end the wars together so that means that's why we're doing TP UK because it's like all right it's getting a little crazy again we might have to step in and insert some like normal conservative principles again into the dialogue because we've got it's it's gone crazy the socialist it doesn't work on crazy there's no there is no meaningful socialism any level of power anywhere it's I mean anywhere what's it cloaked in what are you guys anywhere Venezuela what do you always banging on the Swale are you talking about 50 people live there don't you leave to the United States they're all fleets you guys think they've you know nobody knows but over here you guys like me we've all respect to Venezuela and the Venezuelan people I don't think that what the social or the experiments with the socialism in inverted commas in Venezuela I have in any meaningful impact on the American economy or the global economy or global or geopolitical power structures so what I'm interested in is why all this that macron yeah fascist he's at nobilis he's on he's on a fashion he's a globalist okay and and and all these people that stood up and said awful things about Trump are now realizing that everything that he was saying was essentially right you know and his people think about what's going on in France is fascinating the far left and the far right are together rioting in the streets I love that think about that and why because of these things like what was the tipping point they were hiking prices to protect the environment again they they're gonna tell you that they're doing something to protect you but they're extracting finding fun ways to extract dollars now there's no jobs and people are unemployed everyone's on welfare and government programs and on top of that you ask what happens and socialism every single day she's just bizarre to me France has been proliferating a welfare state since the 1970s okay and that's what it is there are people don't work in French they're lazy and that's what happens in a socialist model everyone becomes lazy because you're gonna say if you become rich I'm gonna tax you then why the hell am I gonna work we're all sit back and wait for the government to give us handouts oh wait that can't happen because now there's no one left the tax everybody's equally you guys are right socialism calm down poverty kind peace for socialism if you want equality they will be smart like what look I've been a bit glib in a bit silly several points during this conversation because I find you very charming and interesting to talk to but I must say in all seriousness that you cannot cite any of these countries as examples of socialism or socialism's failures because they because macron is existing work comfortably within the framework of the kind of neo neoliberal failings that are bringing about the current mass discontentment that has brought about you know brexit and trump and i think that neither BRICS it nor Trump will address or aid ordinary people one shot not that I disagree with people who are voting for brick city or for voting for Trump because I agree with them that things weren't going well for ordinary people and I understand their dissatisfaction but why I don't see how the solution to the problems of ordinary people will ever be to give more power to the already powerful I wouldn't confront you hugely over the UNIX government is I don't I think you and I both do not trust government I'm I'm beginning to work out where people from the left and where the right can collaborate collude and agree but obviously the the main problem of me is that I feel that all politics ultimately has to be an expression of human goodness and whilst it is ultimately about pragmatism what is the point in being pragmatic if we are not simultaneously being loving and beautiful what is our aim what is the optimum what are we trying to achieve and surely that must be a fair and just world where the brilliant get to thrive and the vulnerable are loved and taken care of assuming that there are still categories such as the vulnerable and the brilliant totally utopian but it's just not pragmatic that's what people say right create a government for me right now what are you gonna do oh right now no I mean seriously because this is how this is how socialism gets sold because it was ounds good that was socialist socialist pitch that's that's what they do socialist run around saying the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's I just want a world where you know everybody the minimum wage is $30 an hour and I don't know who's gonna pay for it doesn't matter I can't talk practically it's gonna feel good we're gonna just tax the rich and we're gonna take from this person you can only take from the rich for so much essentially you what you have to focus on is creating opportunities for every single person to become a Nazi systemic inequality and a massive philosophical disjunct in the fact that when there was when all these systems these systems that you say gonna take care of us they're gonna create trickle down wealth that when they did ultimately inevitably fail as Karl Marx said they would but when they do fail they are bailed out by the people that's the people ordinary people so why should there even though we have all trust those systems well you keep telling us that we should grow government I'm not telling you to grow that's actually a centralization I do think that we need programs through help people's I help no I don't think me I think we're coming from there well let's do it we're building your community okay but that's your community position that's a conservative position we're saying all of these proven communities might need some assistance right yeah I think you just don't realize that you're a conservative you're identifying the same problems and you're agreeing up a solution I realize but you but you back socialist candidates which makes no sense everything aside like it lineup biggest trouble I go in with saying I don't vote for anyone cuz I think it's all total bullshit any ends of the power ends up in the hands of the same people anyway and it was as if I kicked a football it's a really prime minister Guardian get green house the Guardian run a piece Guardian were probably the worst changed my propaganda yeah they're just literally propaganda I think that but why I would say that the differences between some of these things that we were arguing about the distinctions are negligible I think that what's required is a kind of radicalism radical change but what makes me nervous about some of the stuff you say Candis is it's kind of lack of empathy I can't help but see that teenage girl with anorexia not being treated with love and care and nurture which is what you deserve that make it more likely that people feel loving and compassionate let's roll the family so if we were not about politics and we started talking about any of hosting done raising kids when I was a little compassion industrial post technological capitalist societies the family is no longer an all-powerful unit there is already such massive inequality I'm not I'm not clever enough to argue with you about whether or not big government you know a centralization is as problematic as you say but what I do know is unimpeded capitalist power is the biggest contributor to the problems we have in the world okay and I really know socialism has has killed it's not capitalist not killed 100 man we don't know he was harder he's harder to curate that information we don't know how many people are killed in the various colonial wars that America has been engaged with ever since the Second World War all of those of that is because and and I will agree with you here the idea that you're gonna go and you don't have natural resources because I don't know environment environmentally friendly kids don't want you to do fracking or whatever it is and then you go and you say well here's an oil-rich country and we're gonna go and we're gonna invade we're gonna take things over I I disagree I disagree with all of that so a paean isms gotta be the aim you can't be seriously saying that utopianism should be the aim that should be literally like like that's why whales would be the I really really want go glass can't happen it can't happen human beings are always going to be new generation of since the sense of biblical times and there are always gonna follow the point of the Bible is that we will transcend man will transcend here we can get beyond our primal desires our primal desires that you're trying to turn into systems greed jealousy conservatism no no no it's the opposite I'm saying you have to acknowledge that this exists this is why it's foolish when people don't know they're giving up all of your know then what happens what happened to Venezuela when they gave up all the rights and they saw them this utopian concept that Russell Brand loves and there's gonna be flowers in Venezuela and skittles and we're all going to go to Willy Wonka every day we're yeah cuz what happens oh we found out what happens when you give all your money the government the government keeps it that's like found in Venezuela because you know why because the government is governed by human beings and human beings are greedy so you know if you're terrible human beings that's not all they are when you give that all of your money you're going to see what happens and it's gonna have nice on thermal individuals Candice these untrammeled individuals that have got no regulation well they're gonna be different from the Venezuelan government government where they when their incentives are not to go line their own pockets and government and know that they have term limits and that they literally are there to serve the people okay interested then allow them to do their damn job and look at these companies and say is this now but nah Polly yes it is break up Google well that we agree on that as well as long as it still work because I do need it mostly for my own name now Candace and I just need a search engine called the Russell Brand search engine that would be enough for me I have that you break up that monopoly yeah Candace there's another thing I'm going to ask you that thing you just said mate about like human beings are greedy and cruel and components of humanity yeah you said that that's you that for me when you said that I thought I was very telling I feel that that is ultimately what you believe I don't really know I do think first off what do you think first off human beings do you ask you a question do you think we're more good or more evil good I think human beings are beautiful okay so you think we're born pure and good and wonderful no that was small child listen it's and each human being is good listen culture is definitely factor but this is my point you've asked me a question please allow Albert wads yes sir Sultan it'sin says the line between good and evil runs not through nations religions or Creed's but through every human heart because I know that there is darkness in me I know there is selfishness and greed and and like libido life force not necessarily a bad thing that lasts for example I know all these things exist in me so I need to exist within communities and systems that acknowledge that I am flawed and that I can fail but encourage the better parts of my nature for me that is not a kind of venal economically driven system that rewards a kind of the pursuit of excess we can I don't think we can ever be fulfilled by commodity I don't think we can ever be fulfilled through acquisition I think that our goals must become spiritual I agree with I'm not in favor of creating banal Stalinist massacre factories but I also resent and reject the illusion of a commercial capitalist state where people are being underserved spiritually people are neglected and cut off and people oh oh do you know you we reach for them we've ever been and statistically things are yippee I a well I live in this world and I feel a lot of dissatisfaction a lot of pain I've been rich I've been poor I've been in both of those worlds and I sense that there is a something spiritual that is not being served that is being neglected and I feel a huge part of that is living in a world where the the supreme ideals are economically driven where there is a huge unfairness where we are ignoring the problems of the earth and to hear you talk about sort of fracking and like you know like but simply because it is another way of serving conservative or capitalist goals that concerns me well no I brought it up because you brought up the Middle East and and and the conquests that were going over there because people wanted their resources conservatism used to be about conserve the planet right first and foremost we've owned it I don't think that in America amazing about conserving we've got to look after guys care more about the environment here then in America we have II like obviously the environmentalists but I think probably stronger here I've noticed I'm not saying there's one way you know one is wrong or one is right I'm just making a note here how do you think that all that exists is politics take a yoga class you want some spiritual balance after you go to work you go take a yoga class you have the money to do that to go do you sit and do kumbaya and do all of that sup I like it all family it's not cynical basically I like it I love yoga I love spiritualism I told you I originally found you because you were talking about spiritualism I was like on YouTube and I remember just being very green I would show us never seen that show before but you were talking about spiritual fulfillment and I agree with you on all of those things where we disagree is that youth don't seem to think that both of those can live at the same time like if capitalism existed spiritualism dies no it doesn't you can be spiritually as you can like capitalism you like it a capitalist says I like I like so much I'm gonna open a yoga studio no that is turning everything into a commodity I've seen that the ultimate end of everything is to turn and I'm guilty of this as soon as I do you know I'm the kind of person I make up a beautiful song for my door and I think oh my god I should write a children's book about this and I mean I have that instinct I am an entrepreneurial person I am an individualist but I feel that these impulses in me can better utilized if they are in the service of others so then share it that's what I could do I get spiritual fulfillment when when when black kids from the ghettos and and the hood write to me and say thank you so much finding your perspective has transformed my life right and and they say because I just put out something that I genuine believe in and it's backed in my heart and it's back to my spirit now what fulfills you might be something different but you determining that what people should like and what should dry you know what fulfills and are what should be compassionate that's that those are words that are subjective they're not objective is subjective I think that's true and I think I can understand why young black children would be inspired by a powerful woman like you who communicates brilliantly and is so strong and successful but I would imagine it may be disheartening to hear you disavow the impact of social historical and cultural influences on the plight of individuals and individual families to extract that I think he's cruel but I don't all the time doing it you're condemning people in saying that the individual is in charge of their own destiny you are you are the shadow of that is people that are accessibility to blame yeah I truly believe if people wake up and they understand that they're in control their own destiny that they can they will be in control I think that is a good point I think they also agree that there is the obligation of all of us to care for protect reach out to one another and I feel that I'm concerned by that I'm concerned that you feel that because he's like for me where is the love what do you mean there's there's love in my personal life I don't feel bad for people that are lazy and looking for excuses so if that's how if that feels I think our did to you are lazy okay lazy much rather poor for that success and then you know what when you get to a certain age and you realize you've accomplished nothing or drove heroin goodbye but most people are lazy it's true I'd rather be in bed sleeping sometimes when I got when I do stop because I realized you're different you're different but here's the thing you asked telling you don't have to exercise compassionate understanding our people are lazy because they woke up one day and they're 27 they realize you've accomplished nothing so they turn to videos that tell them that it's not their fault it's somebody else's it's the white man it's the rich man it's the tall man it's the short man right I don't care about it that I am Telling You that personal responsibility is really the key to unlocking life cannot deny right things that happen and did you exercise compassion in those moments there that's why I give to charity right it's not gonna be enough because by what I'm gonna do taking the lazy people in my home I've already got a cat she's pretty fucking lazy because what I'm saying is are you saying to me so I'm saying to you that you are misusing your power that you should be using your power to bring other people up and I feel that to deny that there that there is economic disparity that racial inequality is part of the story that historically there has been a component of the male oppression of the female I agree with that I agree that the world power of the individual we're agreeing everything that you decide I don't deny I acknowledge that there's economic disparity because I tell them every day the reasons why is where I teach them there's economic disparity don't be so foolish to believe it's because your skin is black it's because we are disproportionately taking handouts from the government we are disappearing married to the government and we have bought into our own victim mentality okay because we're taking advice from fucking LeBron James about politics and voting in people that want to do harm to the black community plain and simple most pocky won't even know their own history you sit down and you have black people that are advocating for Planned Parenthood and nobody's talking about the quiet black genocide that's taking place in America right now because our birth rate has completely stagnated and we're the only ones sixty-one percent of all new Bush Latino so when the Democrats say open borders open borders what they're really saying is votes boast because the black people are not gonna be able to see our party much longer so let them know that Planned Parenthood was created by an avowed racist Margaret Sanger who said that her purpose was to exterminate the black race she said black people should be exterminated like weeds most people don't know that and yet they go out and they say conservatives are crazy because they want to defund Planned Parenthood I want defunded because the black the black birthrate has has stagnated okay so I'm actually all about black and power which is why when people actually find me long-form and listen to what I say it clicks and they say oh my god and then they research Margaret Sanger and then they research the black birth rate and they realize that we have literally we are paying politicians taking the to tear apart our families and it makes sure that we don't have a place in America I look I agree with some of the things that you are saying but what I don't understand is how this information can neatly absolve or resolve itself at the point of and that's why Donald Trump's a good thing that's crazy so he's illusion so easy it's so easy that's how I got into this is cuz I because Donald Trump was a thing Donald Trump has done more for the black community then then there's certainly any other predecessor Democrat presidents had done before him you know you have Bill Clinton who was held as a black presidential hero the first black president is what they called Bill Clinton he also locked up more black men than any present in the history of the United States that's a fact he put in place two three strikes laws that's a fact and then you have LBJ hailed as a hero in our textbooks he's the one who implemented the welfare state and he called it the nigger bill you know he literally called the Civil Rights Act the nigger bill my people don't know that now it's all available on the internet so they all they have to do is hear what I say and they'll do that after they watch his podcast I do research and they go why is it why is the education system lying to me why do I think they'll quit is a good person after what he did to Haiti and I don't disagree with you I mean like I think more broadly I can see how you you meet a lot of your goals by condemning apparently left centrist politicians who I remember I've already told you I don't see the distinction between left and right within the limited framework of conventional political dialectic as as meaningful near gone have some stuff to evoke or perhaps perhaps perhaps the problem is actually that you're hungry it was essentially happened he's a hungry person who's coming here who's taking it out on those vulnerable members of society the victims me and the black community and we've ever enough yeah me in the black community we're sick of this now you sound like every leftist politician square I'm empowering for black people all the avenues no no but the goal of your empowerment it ends in a rather unpleasant individualistic message that leaves for heart that doesn't include the possibility that some people's social history and personal history has left them impaired and unable to compete in a system but prizes certain assets certain personal attributes above others no one's like that we need a culture that can accommodate all people because all people exist and all people do have rights and if you like you know whilst I feel you know I can see the logic in you know what you're saying about I'm like you know the patriarchy stuff and all that all you need to do is all we need to do is quickly look at who has the most wealth who has the most power who has the most influence the data is available right like something like that you know when you say if like a like 15 people have got as much wealth as the poorest 5 billion people that's not minor that's a serious systemic problem we could solve us great many problems by simply removing and redistribute in that wealth but even that's not enough under great changing systems more broadly where we do agree hugely is on decentralization and the breakup of monopolies but what I think is the biggest distinction you and I have is your belief that people are governed by selfish as selfish impulses and my belief that people are ultimately good and that we should create systems and communities and values that encourage our virtue rather than assure us Satterly towards either nihilism or selfishness and I think that that's what you all do now I know I'm preventing people from falling into your logic because the easiest people that take advantage of people that believe what you believe because then all they do is it take somebody like George Soros or Jeff Bezos to say this is why they want socialism because it says all of you guys are gonna stay poor but we're gonna sell to that we're gonna fix all of your problems you're gonna give up all of your rights to us and that's what happens that's what happens every single I realize that within an economic system that has limited resources available like everyone can become anyway you think there's finite resources well on a finite planet yes no no but look there like at once certain of people are rich nor anybody else can get rich that's wrong hold on a second then why do you not believe things changing you don't believe that there's a stagnation and stasis in where wealth is accumulated and where wealth is held do you not see that there are dynasties right here you're buying into the myth that because somebody got rich somebody else got poor and that's wrong because somebody got rich most people a person does not mean that a bunch of other people got poor that is a fallacy Jack Dorsey of Twitter got rich all of his employees got poor no they became employees up Twitter Facebook employs a ton of people all around the world because their Facebook now are they all as rich as Mark Zuckerberg no but they were given opportunities to get their foot in the door at a tech company to put Facebook on their resume right so listen here's the there's the world it is limited it's only that big there are people on the world a tiny number of people have got most of the wealth and asset always some of you all trickle down to the others that's but that's the the idea that ID is not one oh you're right these people are keeping that wealth and not letting it trickle down sticking people in prison because they're at least brilliantly economic are you quite RTL from wealthy people take it you see that's that that's your problem theft no competition free markets building a product that's better than space to these no it's not it's not what led to this ocean is now a global ism in which something I am staunchly against and I speak out about all the time I don't agree with globalism globalism is a bunch of elitist finding themselves and saying wait look at how much power we control now they can make sure that we're are the only ones that make well gosh more regulation that's more government no it's not it's the function of government to make sure that that doesn't happen limited government that is literally why we started putting in place these policies in America if the government has now without a government both literally eating food now all over my friend if the government that we currently have are unable to curb or in any way control corporate power how is less government gonna do that more effectively well less government Buster's to fight you monetary front I'm saying limited government so the idea that growing welfare programs and trying to extract wealth from the rich it's just it's not gonna work that's not that doesn't work over time because that if you want to talk about finite resource there's only so much money you can bleed out of rich people and and that's and it never happens that way by the way they take money from the rich and they enrich themselves the government gets bigger the government gets richer and people get poorer that is what the history of the world know because it's true do you know this you know Cuba you you know oh you know what happened this over you and you know what happened in Cuba you know what's happening in Venezuela you know that socially doesn't work and get your your teaching or have your start but you are you're just not calling it socialism that's what you're talking about you systems we can't watch it give what is the new system you're either gonna grow government or you're gonna grow the individual no there's no that's not the only option don't you mean other option well I think decentralized collectivized communities a confederacy of principled cooperating fully autonomous self-governing communities that might require to some degree some ability to tax regulate and control certainly the kind of transnational monoliths that we tax to the government I don't know what a problem but hold on a second you can't like get all like at me because I I'm not able to immediately design a new system not the first time you've had this conversation you're either you you want to play it both ways so you want to say I believe in the community but the community should tax okay so the community should be a government wait a second let's try and see if we can work out together yeah all right because if it's not good we just simply won't you know we're gonna use all of it people need to know we are building a government Inc right just say right say we like take for example now we've had brexit Britain could be an independent unit what if I agree that we decentralized government power because it is meaningless and it doesn't serve ordinary people however what we need people do some people a lot of people it seems do want jobs and do want to be meaningfully pay for those jobs some people I think are not paid enough money police nurses teachers none of these people are paid enough for what they do that's because of the Union that's cause the government oh yeah oh gee unions the government if you're allow us to fire how are you mad teacher are you bringing negative things in you might bring negative energy it's true the government is the reason for that now definitely in this new utopia that we're trying to create it wouldn't your gender religion and race would be irrelevant to you you'd be free to practice whatever that's foolish I already lost government that's insane the government's not anything yet no no this is ridiculous what's ridiculous let me ask you a question actually a very good question already you know it's good year those of you out there those talks to you know okay listen poro can do even the myth of coke that's a loaded question do you believe on multiculturalism do I believe that there are many cultures that they can just exist coexist peacefully I think that there are many cultures yes you think that they can exist I think look we're two people in a room right and it's a problem so of course there's gonna be conflict if people have got different belief systems however because I yo right hold on a minute so you want told the regulation of bloody capitalists but when it comes to what people what book people read when they're praying oh there is a regulation you you can be whatever religion you want to be in America there's a regulation on that but what I'm saying to you is do you believe that that multiple cultures can exist peacefully because that's a that's a that's a huge problem do you believe in secretary I believe that the biggest problem facing Europe right now is the mass migration from countries that do not support the culture of Europe let's talk about some poor alright guys talk about some positive things okay change trying to create a utopia over here in this thing in this new this new Britain that we're trying to create on my a4 pad it doesn't matter what your gender is or how you identify doesn't matter what color you are and it doesn't matter what your religion is you can't but you cannot impose your will on other people you can't go around home you but you should believe this or you shouldn't believe that you got leave people a hell alone right work a component of Sharia law is that people that are non-believers get killed hold on a second I didn't say I didn't say we want Sharia law I'm not bringing in Sharia law that's not we're not having that on the island it sounds terrifying who is this Sharia now what we're gonna do or new Island now is that people can be fully they're fully autonomous they could do it they won now I suppose we are gonna have to have communities now I think it might be hard for human beings to live in communities that are too big I think many of the problems that we're experiencing now is it's hard for us to hold to the number of relationships we see too much variety of life it's confusing for people I think we need to live in smaller communities and within these communities these units these let's call them Soviets people have for their full democracy within it people vote on how they want their resources as happened importantly agree Brazil you vote on like say each community is allocated a budget and the members of that community vote for how to spend that budget okay okay right that's good so far we do need some municipal resources ie roads agree who's these officers firemen lace firemen nurses all of those so that revenue has got to come from somewhere absolutely private business world isn't gas tax I'm comfortable with because it's for municipalities and that's the difference between not theft and something that I get to use if I need it now do it right now are we gonna need some kind of because people are gonna be jealous of this they're gonna want to come and live here with us we're gonna I don't know how we're going to control the what population we have here right it's gonna be gonna need to know right okay we could've else's we can sustain we're not building we're an island thankfully we're surrounded by a moat already look what I'm saying is that there are so many unexplored possibilities and people on both the left and right and of God knows I spoke to enough of them now impede further debate and progressing by insisting that their pre-existing ideology is the only thing that could possibly work as if history were rich enough and long enough that blinking of an eye the expanding of one flower there is humanity were enough to examine all possibilities now me well all that stuff you say is wooly wishy-washy left the claptrap is mere pragmatism the experience of being human is painful enough without us being cruel to one another we need to live in communities that where people are invested and administrative and certainly a democratic level in the way that their resources are spent and the way their communities around the way their schools around the way their hospitals are on full democratization that's what I'm arguing for so everything that you just drew is America the famine is not burning that the founding principles of America is what you just you and that's what conservatives fight for I'm going to again state that you are concerned if you just haven't acknowledged it yet I'm not concerned you are you don't realize it I'm just gonna say that you're an anarchist a new daily military but do you want to break down all power structures and you think with people you just wrote municipalities that's the function of government but ever men should make sure that those programs run efficiently that that we have access said that people are paving roads and that sort of a thing the the infrastructure yeah all that important thing I think might bust up your conservative thing but our priorities are not Commerce our priorities are creating and nourishing the communities that we live in supporting and loving one another from day according to Sofia day to each according to their male commerce that is commerce community it's it's this call it community ISM it's community ISM we make the community the most important thing and the what the community has to do is empower the individual and love the individual and acknowledge that we in our history of colonization and war we have hurt and damaged one another and people are carrying trauma and pain from pre like your anorexia and racial abuses and now they listen for me are prime examples of exactly that and plaudits to you for the way that you have alchemists that into individual potency but i don't think we should be getting off the train too early why set the bar so low for humankind not only are we not victims we can be glorious we are not determined by our lower instincts and the lower aspects of our nature we can continue to grow continue to aspire thing is that when I asked you to draw it out your drawing systems that already exist but Mac secrete anything new and look but we can look back into the history and see how it worked out communism now hold on I'm not drawing things that how does it Mao was hardly dissent rest' was he no serious centralized power and bureaucracy I know but husband raised that otherwise no you're talking about the proletariat versus the rich people yeah but you needed a CEO but you you're why riding on a wave of contemporary populism and this populism could as Steve Bannon says could go either way it could go either way IVA ordinary people go yeah it's really gonna help me to deregulate the already powerful people that are trotting around the globe like ogres or we could through this wave of populism empower community empower ordinary people and we are all ordinary people ultimately in spite of our various individual skills just don't like the word capitalism I don't like that the goals your individual should be the I just and uh should be rewarded this much and you decided that the balance in your life is that you want to instead go and give to the community more that should be allowed but why should you be able to govern how much I give to the community versus how much I get to myself that's wrong that makes you a dictator you decided that you know so well about society that you're gonna tell everybody donate why did you say thank you but I'm saying the big you like the concepts that you're preaching here cuz you don't like to name what you're saying right you don't like to it what I say social no I didn't say that yeah you drew you you're basically telling us in this entire podcast the next minute I'm a communicator both conservative communists yeah these are times when the old divides excuse me and the old polarities are starting to dissolve while we feel like people are becoming more and more opposed to each other I think we're becoming closer and closer to rejecting the systems that oppress us not just economically that's a these are the crumbs I'm talking about spiritually preventing people from realizing their potential so I do believe in the power of previously oppressed people by Finn to like people you know as an individual I wouldn't like to continue to revel in my they said we want to do people do need to progress um but like to deny like something as God historically scarring slavery so why would I be scarred by that well there was some evidence to suggest that there is a hereditary trauma I mean even psychological sounds like it was a leftist professor probably at Cambridge because well the same way that we evolved features we evolved emotionally and something as as recent as that that is so ridiculous everybody that has that everybody feels like everyone has been a slave at some point there was slavery here - so did you feel your slavery pain the other week I'm from Essex slavery that we both experienced follow oh my gosh oh it feels so good to acknowledge finally that we both feel people that might be concerned Candice it's so sad no this this feels good but why why would you I don't think that people should revel in misery but we have to acknowledge pain you have to acknowledge the history has happened what do you think about reparations the pain doesn't exist anymore what do we think about against it you're against reparations but there would be no united kingdom there will be no United States to marry slope I've ever heard in my entire life well where do you think you would sleep in a slide of equality know what it wouldn't it would go into okay but before before we were slaves in Africa we might have everybody has has it in their past so how far back to you on do reparations Roman Empire do you want to go back to that do the Italians or everybody reparations you get what I'm saying it's the slope is so slippery that you can't conquer at one point in society and by the way the best reparations the most roaring lines a system is a line you're currently saying well let's not do any reparation no no I don't believe it's not sure any wealth that's where the lines are currently drawn so you know for me people that talk about reparations they've raised an important point by exposing the fact that these excuse me great countries Valentin I came to the United States of America entirely founded on stolen spoils you talk about taxation of the rich been stealing them what the fuck was slavery what the fuck was colonialism other than stealing on a massive scale you can't have one without the other what I'm saying is that slavery still exists in Africa today so for people to pretend that we were it was stolen from him like we were kings and queens in Africa as a myth no we were slaves you were sold by our own people so who are we mad at the Africans are Ematic the Americans it's a piece of fiction that happened it was very unfortunate okay what happened to bear fruit it is unfortunate or much everywhere there was there's not that long ago no but since the beginning of time there have been slaves so how do you just decide that one black slaves in America are the ones deserve reparations Everett the slope is to us and let me tell you something you know no your challenge back Americans would you rather be in America today do you wish that it never happens a single black American I've met with Toyota they wish they lived in Africa said you wonder why because all the opportunities are in America black Americans today if we banded together would be the the 30 30 I think number six in terms of the economy in the world how do you mean band together like if we said we're gonna Claire own little country black Americans I'll be good yeah we would be would be ranked like that happens if they the way that these are people are talking it just might we have self-segregation happening in America now which is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life I want you to be more optimistic I want you to be more ambitious I feel like they're how old are you if I may ask 29 is that all do young looking to you yeah oh they're young young what happened what happened we've Hold'em let me do this sort of questions that are easy to make clips out of my agenda things we must deal if that is I think I've called you love twice like six see there we go didn't mean to do it I mean love as in affection it's like why can't you say that because do you see why I hate the society we live in it's a joke you hate this is our tea no I mean the exciting find trying to create leftist only you would only elect this would pull that out of a clip and say it's wrong only a leftist gets mad when a man opens the door hey real power though no yeah yeah they do because they're there dressing it up as feminism when in reality they're gaining power but power is control over resources to me they just controlled you saying something here so roasting of course there is when they when they freaked out they tried to to stop Brett Kavanaugh from being nominated to the Supreme Court that was radical feminism he never sexually harass anybody never happened I'm sure different kind many of you a bit have a field day with you because you the things you say like like probably be amazing rape is a thing now so we have to acknowledge it right now listen yes you're scared I'm not from Jenny now you're not scared that I will say for you is a wonderful quality in a human where do you think true power lies within the individual within yourself well that's not true because the what individual on this planet is as powerful as halibut and what are you what's your measure of power ability to get what you want done but what what do you want done that varies from individual to individual so the power rests within the individual but there is a uniform concept of will and the people whose will is most easily exerted there is a there is a hierarchy so I would say and the most powerful people are people that generally born into positions where the power was already have already been accumulate exists all right but it's definitely true though and it's and we're gonna edit this so that your response will be ruffle you've really changed my mind what you said was so insightful and why he's really changed my mind thank you what you said was so insightful and so wise I'm so glad to be here that's the trailer Candis what about this thing here do you think this is a good question Jenny Jenny wrote this question do you think the old Protestant myth that working hard and personal responsibility is deployed to prevent governments and authorities from actually helping well yeah well the idea is that we don't want governments we believe in ourselves on a community level so that that's the that's the goal is to realize that the job of a government wasn't supposed to be to govern every piece of our lives you know the government in many ways is trying to replace God you know at people you do like that idea and I agree with it that statism and post Westphalian treee nationalism simply replaced the notion of a omnipotence diary we stay that's definitely true well according to my little brain all right now what about this thing here one asked about Kenny Wesker that's a very sort of right important celebrity type of thing so what happened there which which breast like he's banging - you know he says I've been used to shame boy I don't I first and foremost I don't I know Kanye didn't write those tweets not how he speaks but Kanye realized very soon and this is the cleanest I could say it because I did make a promise to him that I wouldn't speak about this publicly enough yeah but Kanye realized I think very quickly that there's no such thing as doing politics halfway you are either fully in and you risk everything around you your friends your family your your wherever you are in life your business negotiations like in the way that Trump did or you're out of it and unfortunately and this I guess is public you know Kim always says that she disagrees with Kanye politically and so for him to cause a tremor in his life all around him he has children young you know young children that's a risky deal to make I mean he also has his big adidas deal that's a risky thing to do to go into politics if Ron and Maggie had to talk to trump and the Left controls Hollywood I mean that's just what it is you know that and they all think the same every award show it's not even funny anymore it's just like it's talking about Trump for the next two hours I mean to joke they've ruined comedy and I think that a Kanye guy it was receiving a lot of heat and he respectfully needed to step out of the kitchen I you know I guess I was his entrance into positive politics and I was his entrance out it was you know him tweeting me that caused the entire firestorm and it was him tweeting me that was the same way out but I deeply respect him you mean so you feel yeah I said when people get involved in politics it's it's all-consuming oh it's every layer of your life they they try to find everything you've ever done in your entire life they try to get people to speak out against you the amount of fights I've had with my family because reporters call and say things that I never said hey Candace tells me you're this or that and then your parents obviously think that they're telling the truth and they get all flustered and they are growing that is super proud of you oh hey Robert and granny apple of his eye yeah well I'm his child I'm just he's somebody that started his life on a sharecropping farm and worked his butt off never said he couldn't do something because he was black or he was just advantage because he grew up in a segregated south he just worked hard kept his head down do what he had to do and found success and I I you know I definitely got my motivation in life from his sort of study counseling he's like a no-nonsense he sounds like an incredible man yeah how do you what do you feel like success is gonna look like for you ultimately you know what would it feel like success for you what would make you fulfilled Candace I think first and foremost cracking the black vote showing that we're not a model if that we think differently and that we're starting to listen to the policies not the emotional argument for any group of individuals to be voting in 90 percent margins for one party shows you that and especially when that party has never done anything that has served you shows you that we've made an emotional investment into politics and ultimately harmed our personal lives do you not think it's significant that there are only two parties and neither of those parties meaningfully represent the interests of people that I think historically been oppressed I think represents a whole new how but because he's independent they all hate him everybody hates Trump but that doesn't help my for the American plate a few quid ask these people a in Trump being hated is an independent he doesn't help ordinary people because he's he's he's bringing jobs back to America we were selling our soul overseas and we were they're teaching us to hate being American Australian are actually factories and manufacturing jobs are coming back and but people are really true though as you know how they look you work in politics more Ivy you know it's like a game right you know there's not a lot of truth in that world right neither side well I I'm not that different that none was act well I travel six days a week and I travel to every state of Hawaii absolutely love and comfort in your life who looks after you I can't I can't she's you nothing her name is bear hey bear school bear really you have so much in common well yes but my bear will beat your bear disagree I think so because he's like a madwoman for cats are fast she's laugh to be a lion takes out a wall from the top at the top of the food chain cuz you know what the problem is that that dog is a painting it's important though we should maybe nothing to have a pet just one of these days yeah you're pretty strong when them people are protesting yeah okay you're like I've watched some videos where there's people protest in the back and stuff yeah you hold yourself together well don't you yeah they're totally like insane but then you feel like come why don't why don't you feel like this what I feel like I watch like right-wing people because I'm fascinated and I kind of admire the bravery I've got to say that but do not feel like that you want to receive and give love to people does that not is that sort of high on your agenda no of course it is and I do I receive so much love because once people have this political awakening and they realize that everything that's been sold to them as a lie nothing feels better than self-empowerment actually feeling like you can do it when it comes within you you know heat is a strong emotion but doesn't feel as good as love you know saying every but my life sucks because of all of you doesn't feel as good as I don't do anything sure of course when you mean personal dog you but like but like that is not the clearest and most obvious manifestation manifestation of love like my family do yeah because the most obvious manifestation of love that I can think of is to accept and understand other people that people have had different experiences in life and that of course and I accept that we're always going to have different experiences that's called life you can't create a system where everybody is equal it doesn't exist you've seen my drawing right that's that's utopia nearly there though but yeah I mean I I look for love in my personal life I don't look for love in my in my political life I know that when you why should why should the political will be exempted we are human beings well no only because what I what I am doing is giving them the power to go into their personal lives and and and feel cold my terrible fear candidacy is what you're actually doing is wrangling them into the interests of the corralling them into a position where the most powerful people in the world can continue to benefit from them because whilst I agree that there are bogus or lefty Democrat people that contribute a lot to the debate and I don't support this of the the the the mainstream media and the narratives that they put forward and like the cuff seen you arguing very articulately in brilliantly with people I feel that the most people powerful people in the world will benefit if other if people believe in individual power people do need to collectivize to challenge power it's the only way we can ever change them no I do not come into optimization that's that I believe that's a terrible terrible tribe community is what we're for leaving communities of course but look what collectivism leads to communism so no but it's very important to acknowledge the industry that's your big argument is I don't have to be defined by our history that we can create new futures so collective and community based ideologies need an automatically lead to state communism and the gulag in ten minutes and I thought was going quite well actually Democratic community did okay but you you couldn't you couldn't you know say what the role of government was going to be and I'm telling you look it's it's hard to out with the gun we are not snowflakes okay you and I um ed tell you we're not special snowflakes on that we're not original it's been it's been trying blizzard the storm a Tundra very very wonderful but think you must be a bit more kind people I am compassionate for people that feel working in my face calling me a white supremacist it's not nice to shriek at people I agree with you it's right to find compassion in my belly when I'm being shrieked at and called a white supremacist well what about a guardian on what did I don't get angry what did our Lord to do he fat forgive them they know not what they do forgiveness endless forgiveness endless love I do love if you've been put in a position of power then you have an obligation to be loving that's your first obligation not to be practical but I don't think you've been given enough love having this grand about when your little kid I don't mean now all that crap in the media that's boys I love granny sounds amazing no my grandma who passed this one I mean NOLA Nolan rock sound terrific people yeah they're they're well because I was trying to assert control in my life and and that was the way that I dealt with it but I mean I have what about other people who have gotten a Rex here what do you say to them back up wouldn't say that no I understand it obviously on a more in the same way that you would understand drug addiction on a more a molecular level because you've lived with it alright I would show them that they need to identify what what they're trying to control when I'm talking to drug addicts I say this somewhere in you you do not think that you are beautiful you have been her there is a way out of this pain right through spiritual connection to one another through service through higher ideals to recognize your own beauty and to realize it that's the sort of thing I have to say to him right it's not rocky no charge I'm sure it isn't I wouldn't give that speech they look at you and they'd be like you know their birthday the anorexics I've never known such complexity right yeah it's it's very complex it really is but I have to believe that love is more important than hate that unity into given us you're more powerful than individual it is but it but you you once you once you you have to empower individuals I do not want to be the same person that you are I don't want to be treated like we're the same person I don't want to be the same person any person around me is I don't want to be you know treated as if we're the exact same person you can cookie cut society and say oh this is what Candice likes for breakfast so that must be we're all just gonna have the same cereal for breakfast I don't like that hey we are individuals you should celebrate the individual or individuals should come together to inform a community that takes care of issues about videos I can't take care of themselves that's a good idea now this um would you be willing if over time when human beings come up with better ideas as human beings evolve if better ideas than free market capitalism were to emerge would you be open to those ideas oh I love ideas if there was something exists a possibility a better idea then globalized free-market capitalism it exists in the realm of infinite possibility through which all realized ideas must have surely have traveled there exists now better idea his ideas that are more fair more just they are there waiting to happen these ideas and when they arrive which they will you will be open to them I will be the first person that opens my loving arms and says come here a new idea that's gonna fix everything and then we yeah not 10-15 minutes with my parent and all right we've done as much as we can given the limitations so we're obviously working with him what do you think Candace I think it's been lovely good innit cuz with essentially disagree on almost everything then agree quite strongly on something right well what is is I've just taken a step further like you actually agree with me out absolutely everything that I'm saying you just have it you just have it plugged it in you just haven't plugged it in to realize that it's actually a capitalist not crony capitalism but a capitalist society with free markets that helps the people out of poverty it's one step so for these massive regulation we've seen the results of that and then I took one step when you're here and I'm like Ross come back Ross so hopefully I helped you a little bit see what can you know thank you that was awesome [Music] you [Music]

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Channel: Russell Brand

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Length: 116min 54sec (7014 seconds)

Published: Sat Dec 15 2018

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