Phillip Asks to Be Shocked by an Electric Dog Collar During Banning Debate | This Morning

the collars work electric shock collars worn around the dog's neck and deliver an electric shock by a remote control or automatic trigger for example if a dog were to bark they're not available in pet shops only online and they can send between a hundred to six thousand volts into a dog's neck your standard plug socket in the UK supplies 230 volts so Aaron it would start with you first of all you say that this is quite simply you've been training dogs for 10 11 years this is barbaric I do I think they're primitive I don't think they are unsophisticated I don't think we need to use them any longer I think we've got far better methods to be able to train dogs even for chasing things like cattle and livestock and I don't believe we need to continue using something like this at all James you have used them so many times over first of all if you're talking about electric shock it's important if somebody's in to meets an electric shock I only have my own image of what I consider that to be whereas when you actually feel a quality remote training collar you're using yes you use the electronic circuit but an electric shock is not what you will you've got one yeah yeah yeah so you can you can feel it and see well yeah okay so if you hold that one so this has got a sliding scale so you adjust it depending on the size of the dog or that's so if I bring this one up and I'll ask Philip to tell me when he can feel anything it's been one day it's gonna happen and dogs don't get wanna go there tingle in my pound okay so a tingle in your palm that's 15 out of 100 oh yeah collar so if you were a dog what you would be looking to do is give the dog as Aaron just said they're the control the predictability and the controllability of the stimulation and what's required is not really even that a frightened dog theoretically I've electrocuted you Philip well that's what people use the word electrical layer is thinner sorry than a dogs so your dermal layer your epidermis is thicker than a dog's yeah so how you can you can't even compare what you're feeling to what you put on a dog equally depending on when you're using it if a dog is under stress or is heightened to my working cocker will chase through things and everything else he loves finding sense his adrenaline is so high that in order to be able to get any response from that you'd have to have it a lot higher than that wake it up okay okay so that's now that's a put that what's that up to 24 and that goes up to 100 yeah it's beginning to get slightly uncomfortable yeah I'm gonna have to let go because or timeout okay yeah that now that is beginning to make my is that 3036 yeah I mean it's not it's not hurting me but it is moving my dog how I mean how how can a dog understand this so they're mean it's got to hurt it's got to feel wrong for them not to want to do it again surely that's the whole it depends on the circumstances that you're talking about only to be completely honest if you're talking about wanting to develop a deliberate negative association life start wearing is is this the Scott one that people would talk about and if we're going to say that it's legally justifiable to kill a dog you can shoot it you know if it's chasing livestock because you're acting the interests of all animals concern and that's ethical ethically okay that's legally okay but if we're saying that to deliver a fraction of a second startled to that dog as it does that so that it forms the Association performing this behavior results in that negative consequence I won't do it does it work was it quick yes it's credibly quick it's incredibly quickly must be done under professional supervision you need high quality equipment taught by somebody with a high level of knowledge and understanding of behavior of dogs of training so a dog will learn if it is attacking livestock that's you know I'll hang on a second I'm not gonna do this you won't have to keep doing it keep doing it keep doing because the dog will learn if it's worked if you've used that at a level that's going to punish that behavior so positive punishment is adding something to decrease the behavior they're adding this to be able to decrease a behavior you can keep a dog on lead you can teach a really reliable recall you can definitely build prey drive through the humans you can do scent work you can do lots and lots of wonderful things with dogs to be able to chase and hurt but is that gonna take a really long time so you do you think really this is just for people a bit lazy and what I don't think people that are lazy I think a lot of it is for people that don't necessarily understand how to use it I'm not saying that Jamie isn't one of those peanut but Jamie and I are both in a lot of agreement that he says that these would need to be licensed where the dog training industry isn't licensed it's not regulated and right now these are available to Jo public and Angela can whack them up to a hundred if it hasn't worked the first time there was a definite need for some form of restriction banned whales are said to be banned in Scotland and and so should they be banned here 100% Philip they're not set to land in Scotland Scotland is looking to introduce legislation restrictive legislation they've got it right what Scotland is looking to do is right same as Belgium a you know Netherlands is basically introduced restrictive legislation there's never been a criminal conviction the cruelty the law exists 2006 and Welfare Act it exists to cover unnecessary suffering there's never been one the RSPCA duel over a hundred or hundred and fifty thousand investigations that lead to prosecution's as well there's never been one turn out one hundred oh really okay it's an Android 33 don't turn it up then no take them 200 okay that's really quite uncomfortable is that 72 okay what was that 83 can I just make a point would you now say that you were afraid of the sofa or the afraid of do are you genuine genuinely would you say that you're afraid of me have you developed a superstitious association this is so important Holly let go that no let's say that that was a sheep would you go after it again if that were the consequence for going after it would you go after it you're not harmed you're not compare the human brain and I think you can understand that it's a waste of trained animals and this far more that you can do to be able to help them in that circumstance and quite honestly the problem is is that if you're only using this for sheep whirring you're not looking at very much indeed thank you you're right yes I good you

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Length: 6min 24sec (384 seconds)

Published: Wed May 02 2018