PERCUSSION REVOLVER Q&A TALK

hi guys it's Blackie for shamans Forge woods crafts and this is a trying something new this is a question and answer video it may be a little long and if it is I apologize but quite a few people have asked questions and this is January 2018 and mrs. Blackie who likes to go through and read some of y'all's comments and stuff suggested that I do this and that answer some of these questions that I may have missed and all the questions that I get so she's gone through and compiled 20 questions I haven't seen these questions yet she wrote them down for me but I haven't you know read over them yet and hopefully this'll answer some of your questions if you have additional questions please leave them in the comments below and when I get a Neff of them I'll do another one of these videos but this this one is going to be focusing on percussion revolvers okay now let me put my eyes on cuz lucky it's going blind in his old age actually I can see fine out to a thousand yards I just can't see two feet in front of my nose that's all so they're winning okay question number one why can't you use smokeless in a percussion revolver it has to do a pressure black powder burns think of it like a cannon fuse modern smokeless powder actually combust think of it like a firecracker bang it produces the pressure very very quickly and therefore the pressure spike goes up too fast for a percussion revolver cylinder to handle it and it will stretch and break literally because as I've said many times steel is more elastic than rubber when you fire it it actually swells just to grind if you got a million frames per minute camera you can actually watch the bullet going down the barrel so with black powder it burns slowly and as the adds the charge is ignited back here at the back and begins to burn X amount of pressure is generated the ball and the powder in front of it is pushed forward and it begins its path down the barrel as it does that powder continues to burn and combust thus when it gets then the barrelling comes out sometimes you have unburnt grams and you'll see flashes if you put a big sheet of a white sheet or something out in front of you a lot of times you'll find unburned grains of powder actually blowing out the muzzle with smokeless powder it's a sudden whoosh and that powder is combusted in extremely small amount of time and the pressure is too great the ball becomes a blockage Plus smokeless powder is so much more powerful in generating these pressures and because of that a very tiny amount of smokeless would equal the pressure of a large charge so to speak of black powder and I know what you're thinking no well I'll put just any bitty bitty bit Oh No the threshold between good and bang is razor razor it's not worth the risk just use what the gun was designed for smokeless powder does not work in black powder revolver yes technically black powder substitute is actually a smokeless powder but it's been chemically engineered chemically engineered to do the job and be at the right pressure curve so stick with black powder or the listed black powder substitutes okay what black powder Evolver would you like to add to your collection I would like to add a pocket Navy a63 pocket Navy and I would also like to add a 49 pocket model with the loading lever I have not spent a lot of time with a 31 caliber I think they're very interesting and they're one of the largest selling guns of Colt of course for the day and even Elmer Keith spoke about carrying a little 31 for use on a trapline it did the job that we think of a 22 revolver today that's what the 31 job was and so I'm you know I've never got into it I always went with a 36 or the 44 I've shot a few of them I've shot the pocket Navy and I probably have shot a baby but I would like to get into trying that out so those are the two I'd like to add to my collection do I like Remington better or cold and which model I'm a Colt man use them predominately the short Remington that you see is my first Remington I did have a Spiller a burr in the past so I'm a cold man most of my tips and tricks are based on Colt because I've spent so much time with a colt sorry guys I was worried that the wind was getting up across the microphone it would make it hard to hear so I had to put something up there to muffle the wind for me now back to Colter Remington I like the Colt and I have my most experienced with it and I tend to when I think about or daydream about a new and it's usually a colt however Remington's are very very good especially these modern ones that are out now and I would recommend to someone first starting out to start out with a Remington because it's more like a modern revolver and if you have any experience shooting modern revolvers it'll be easier to adapt due to the fixed rear side the solid frame and etc I hope that answers your question do you hunt with your cap and ball revolver and if so what game yes I've hunted many many times small game mostly rabbits squirrels that type thing yes you can take a squirrel with a 36 you can also do with the 44 if you bark them but that's a whole nother episode it's one of my favorite things to do in January when I was a teenager was Walt edge of the farm fields early early morning on very cold mornings with the cap-and-ball revolver looking for bunnies it can be used very effectively for small game it can also be used very effectively for medium game within the confines but yeah it is a viable hunting tool what do you think of the LeMat revolver for those not familiar with the LeMat is a nine shot cylinder with a 20 gauge shotgun in the middle of it I've shot one fairly extensively that was a close friend of mine Lin bass captain bass and it's a big bulky very interesting revolver it's hard to find a holster it's gonna fit it it's so wide and so big but for a course a re-enactor it'd be a very good gun to have as far as a shooting gun I really like a Colt better but that 20 gauge shotgun barrel loaded with birdshot makes a very effective snake gun typically that's what they were used for it's been my experience the sights are very small on them so you need good eyesight to shoot one well that's you know my little two cents port and the loading levers on alamat are kind of an awkward design and many of the originals were broken off so that's something to bear in mind when you get it I'm sure the modern ones have improved upon that problem but it's that's a weak link in that loading system of that is the way the loading lever attaches to the body of the gun do you like the 36 of the 44 better that's a toughy for the most part most of my experience has been with the 44 I'm an American we like the bigger the better and most of my initial woods running with the guns I was using it as a sidearm in deep woods against you know rabid dogs things like that where I needed a sidearm so I wanted the big hit of the 44 and it was much easier to load snake shot in it for use against you know Rattlers and stuff in years since then I have come to really like the 36 if you laid both of them on the table which one would I pick if it was a economic question I would pick the 36 he uses less powder so your powder goes farther you can make more bullets out of a pound of powder so your powder your money goes farther if it was a this is the only thing you can have it be a 44 because I've got so much experience with it and it is so versatile so which one would I recommend to somebody starting out probably the 44 like I said that Remington start with the 44 and then go to the 36 I know that's gonna make a lot of the 51 Navy guys upset but the 51 Navy is easier to shoot and it's more accurate in some ways it's more inherently accurate in some ways but if you're gonna have to come up against something dog size or bigger where you're gonna have to make a stopping shot I recommend the 44 will you show how to fan a six-gun nope okay that's too short and answer if there's enough interest I will do a video on fast and fancy shooting but the fact of the matter is fading a six-gun was designed for ultra close a couple of feet it was for bringing the gun of holding the trigger back and slapping the hammer to fire as fast as possible the only thing in the real world that that's gonna be absolutely necessary for is if you've got some big animal like a bear or something charged in this is all you got and you've got it empty as many shots as you can into it at point-blank range that would be the only time it's very hard on the gun it's easy it's very easy to break the gun doing that and I do not recommend it did I practice it when I was a young man yeah I was into John Wayne westerns and all that stuff as a cowboy guy coming up and I tried all that stuff and got fairly proficient in it but I do not recommend except in that now I will be happy to demonstrate the idea but I do not recommend it if enough people asked sure I'll show you how to do the fan on one but I don't recommend it guys what is your favorite revolver the 6s revolver to me is the 50 180 okay what is your favorite revolver I would say that my favorite revolver is the 51 Navy as far as the romance especially a squareback trigger guard the 1860 army in it or running neck-and-neck my 61 Navy I've got here first one I've ever had I love it I think it's fantastic it's like you blended the two of them together but I think the 51 Navy is if you know I think the classic nostalgia of it the looks the lines the way it shoots the way it feels I like the 51 Navy as far as being my favorite now I know I just told you 44 and etc they do make the 51 Navy today in 44 I have never had one I'm too much of a traditionalist but yeah oh and back to that earlier question about adding a gun what I would like to add to my collection and I thought really hard about this is I would like to have a five and a half inch barrel sheriff's Model 51 Navy with a square back trigger guard I think that would be just yeah I may have to put one of them together okay why do black powder revolvers shoot high okay black powder revolvers shoot high because of the way the sighting system is and you got to remember these were created to be a military weapon so the idea is as you fire the ball is rising and then dropping it gets more of a arc so you have a more effective long range where the ball doesn't hit the ground if you make it shoot dead-on at 25 yards out of the box the ball will probably hit the ground at 50 or 750 or 67 yards I'm guessing guys but that arc would make it hit the ground then we want that art to be able to be engaged on a man target out to 100 yards so therefore the ball would actually hit the ground at like 150 yards C so that arc it gave you much longer effective range by just pointing at it don't even look at the sights at zero - so many yards and actually aiming and backing out it got further and that was the military application now in my earlier videos I show how to cut the notch put bars and bring it down to where I can use it for point-blank and still have range ability for the gun and I recommend anybody that hasn't seen that go back and look at those earlier videos of mine about sighting one in and how to adjust the sights and it gives it much more effective range I don't see why the manufacturers don't do that today especially since the guns are designed and used so much today in Cowboy Action Shooting which is close range work why they just don't go ahead and deepen that notch and do what I've been doing to bring the gun into point aim at like 25 yards or something like that for most of that shooting okay what is a good trigger pull wait okay that's a toughy experience you can use a much lighter trigger pool for target work you want a light trigger pull for every day in and out you don't if you're in the northern climates where you gonna be wearing a lot of gloves and things a heavy pull is actually better because you're less likely to accidentally discharge the gun so having said that I would say that for general uses somewhere between three to four pounds would be a good average weight for a gun that's set up strictly as a target gun and I mean strictly guys around two pounds because you would align the sights and just touch the trigger for it to go and if you're gonna be on horseback or you're gonna be up north and the heavy cold all the time where you're probably gonna be wearing gloves six pounds because you can actually lay your finger on the trigger and actually have to make the conscious effort to pull the trigger it won't move without help but that's a situational thing as I said I'd say about three to four pounds somewhere along in there have you used a remington carbine i've shot one several times for those of you not familiar it's the remington action with a very long barrel and then a stock it was an attempt by remington right after the Civil War at the end of the Civil War to try to get into the carbine mindset no it did not work that well and historic time periods the problem with it is when you bring the gun up on the shoulder right here and it's the same distance as the attachable shoulder stock was on the coats when you pull the trigger the flash that comes out around the cylinder has a tendency to slap you in the face because it's right here and so that wow you can't put your hand up in front of it because you're baring your wrist should there be a chain fire you could hit so you got to hold it back here like this and I've heard many people say you need a beard to shoot it because it slaps your face with hot gas every time you see and this is true even of the cartridge version and the judge carbine of modern time you know the judge pistols they've got a deflector on them for that to throw that flash forward so it's a very interesting gun if you're not too white a face so you can get in there kind of behind it the ones that I've shot I could feel a little bit of but it was not painful I didn't get any particles or anything but you're getting your face awful close to this percussion system and upon firing that cap remember exploding those particles got to go somewhere so definitely wear eye protection if you see one the one I shot was accurate out to 25 yards and would be very easy to hunt with it for small game but bear that in mind before you plunk down $500 for this thing that there's a reason that these were not successful in history for the beginner what gun and why I think I've said that earlier in this video I would recommend the 58 Remington in 44 because of its versatility with kinds of loads because of its its similarity to the modern revolvers and therefore it's easier to you know kind of transition the easy quick drop in and out cylinder and it's very easy to clean and less cap jams and listening like I've showed my videos how to make a cold less likely to jam the remington normally out of the box is less likely to jam than a coke will a gun go off as in fire if it's dropped okay if the hammer is down on an empty cylinder and it is a course on cat instruct it will not go off if drop if the hammer is down on a loaded cylinder with a cap under it and you've got like on half [ __ ] or just got the hammer down and it's dropped and hit yes it will fire if it's down on an empty and you drop it and for some strange reason like right there it hits Murphy's Law that percussion cap yes it could go off so dropping a six-gun is never a good idea it is about the equivalent of lightning strike but it can happen so yeah the exposed primer on that if it be just look that something hit at that exact angle in that very small quarter-inch wide window to hit and make it go bang but yes it could that's the reason the Colts had safety notches for hammer down between two cylinders in modern cowboy action they're always taught to load five hammer down on an empty that is safer as I pointed out in videos and discussed it if you've got the hammer down on the safety notches and you've modified the safety notch like I told you so it'll hold it on a Remington or your own the Pens on a Colt and it's all the way down it's exactly the same amount of force to [ __ ] the hammer and rotate the cylinder to a live one that would be if it was down on an empty and you slap the hammer and it caught the cylinder so keeping the gun in a holster with some sort of leather thong holding the hammer down is very conducive for safety also the getting in the habit of when you grab a hold of gun putting your thumb against the back of the hammer as you pull it out is a good safety practice to do and then you kind of that's kind of like your thumb safety you disengage the safety when you [ __ ] it but that thumb and I've trained myself to do it years ago when I grabbed the gun the first thing I immediately my thumb goes to the back of that hammer holding the hammer in place so as I come out if anything bumps that my thumb is like holding tension gets that hammer and it's only when the hammer transitions over not [ __ ] it but it's there for don't go I hope that's not getting too far off the topic for you guys do you only do black-powder begun guns do you only do black powder guns because you're a convicted felon no I am NOT a convicted felon I haven't been arrested I got into black powder guns simply for the history and the nostalgia of it and found that I really enjoyed them in learning them etc but no I'm not a convicted felon that's not the reason I have other guns and if you look back in my videos you see me with a single shot shotgun a liver action Henry of 38 and a few others I owned several guns so it's this is just a passion and a hobby of mine but thanks for the question what natural lubes can you make okay I'm always talking about using natural lubes Crisco is a Lube that you can buy at the grocery store and can be used in the guns the disadvantage to Crisco is when it gets really hot it likes to liquefy therefore you know in the middle of summer in the past we have made lubricants and you want it a little more waxy than liquid than creamy and so we have taken and added perf and wax Crisco this was very easy to do we've also added beeswax to Crisco several friends of mine had really good results where they went and got a toilet seal it's the seal that goes between the sewer pipe and the bottom of the toilet wax seal they've taken that and outside in some sort of disposable container there's something you got a garage sale they're gonna be used for food they've slowly heated it up till it liquefied and then they've added in olive oil to make it a little more creamy and that's a ratio there that I'm not exactly sure I haven't made it probably in 25 years guys but it would make a creamy tight and wants a creamy kind like butter it needs to be about the consistency of butter that you can bear down with your finger and easily mash it and get something to come off and yet would remain stable and warm conditions so that wax seal will remain stable it's just a little too waxy not liquidy and by adding the olive oil to it you get something that's good for the barrel it's a natural Lube it lubricates and yet holds so what I would recommend you do is get some olive oil warm it up and then take hunks of the toilet seal and sit in it and let it melt now don't bring it to a boil of course just warm it up real warm maybe is use a heat thermometer or something get it up like 150 180 something like that and then just take you know pretty good size hunk of that see like a quarter of the seal down how much old Mike whew this is going require experimentation on your part bring the olive oil till it's warm really warm not boiling take say a two inch wide piece of that toilet seal and put into a bottle of the olive oil let that dissolve stir it up set it off the heat let it cool test it once it is had time to completely cool to room temperature see how the texture is it should be kind of like butter okay it should remain solid at room temperature and it really should remain solid at about up to 100 degrees and yet be kind of suit I'm saying much like it's much easier just to go by board butter and things like that better lubes that are made for black powder I'm sure if you do a search on YouTube you're gonna find guys giving you exact measurements wish I could help you better than that guys have you ever used a star double action revolver and what do you think the star double action revolver was a very interesting gun but it was not that successful the double action got out of time pretty easily and that's the reason the military asked him to give you to do away with the double action keep the gun but turn it into a single action I have fired a star single action and I liked it but I have never fired the double action so I can't talk to that but I know Mike Belleview on his channel has stated that his double action stayed out of time and he rarely shot it because of that but the single action star he had worked well so that's bad I like to you guys why do Colt revolvers have pictures on the cylinders that was a way to identify a cult when Colt had created the 51 Navy it was very revolutionary Willis fact that when Koch created the Patterson it was such a revolution that he knew somebody was going to copy and all you got to do is just get a Patterson take it apart and measure it and make your own if you had a machinist that could do it the problem with it was how do you make sure that this is mine the time and effort and money it took to create that engraving on a big cylinder that you could then take the revolver cylinder and put up against it and under very high pressure roll them together which the drum that had the picture on it was so hard compared to the cylinder of the revolver it actually cut in as it did it making an impression this would drive up the price of the gun so much that someone trying to just make a quick buck and make a copy of the colt was not going to invest that kind of time and money paying that engraver to make such a device would just [ __ ] it and so that was one way colt was trying to keep counterfeits and fakes from coming to the market because you could instantly tell a colt because it had that role engraved cylinder the pocket revolvers and the small ones had a stagecoach holdup scene the dragoons had a Calvary an Indian fighting scene in the 1860 army the 61 Navy and the 1851 Navy all had the Texas Navy engaging the Mexican Navy that's the old Texas Republic and that's how the 51 got the name the Navy the Navy caliber because colt was trying to get sales from the Republic of Texas it wasn't part of the United States yet and so he put that scene on there to kind of honor of this battle that they had had that had won national acclaim and - as time went by it became synonymous with what Koch called the belt revolver so you had the pocket size that had the stagecoach you had the belt gun that was the 51 61 and 60 are me and then you had the Dragoon size which is the big militaries and they had the rolled engrave the fighting the Comanche Indians from Calvary so that's what that was that was a proof of concept it was like your Nike symbol or your your Google image or whatever it was a way of making the public being able to identify their guns on sight and know this ain't a fake this is original this is an actual coat hope that helps will you be doing any shooting videos yes I plan on real soon in fact this spring I'm going to be bringing out the revolvers and shooting them across chronographs and discussing speed I'm going to be doing a revolver this weekend excuse me doing a video this weekend on how to proper stance for accurate shooting so yes they will be quite a few shooting videos coming up can a black powder revolver be used to hunt big game yes but now here's the per visit from historic time we know of guys on the Great Plains shooting Buffalo with dragoons and walkers mostly dragons because there weren't that many Walker and claiming that it a range of just a couple of feet because they're running on a horseback right beside the Buffalo shooting into the ball penetrating almost all the way through or the conical bullet penetrating almost all the way through the chest cavity of a running Buffalo well that's like that thick so yes can't begin to be used I know of it being used on white-tailed deer on wild hog and boar I have personally shot a cow bull that had to be put down with one because that's what I had on hand and it was one of the things you got to do it now and it was very effective if the bullet is placed properly it can be as effective as any other handgun you got to be close when you're talking about hunting big game with the cat ball revolver automatically just forget about the 36 and the 31 I really would consider the 1860 army in the 58 Remington kind of light for this it can be done the Cato of shamah bullet which is taking the Elmer Keith idea of what a 45 slug and he's made one to go into a cap and ball revolver and it has all the benefits of the the Keith type design in a cap of all conical would be my first choice it would definitely be a conical for the penetration and I would stick to either the Ruger old army or the a of the dragoons and Walker for hunting something like that it would be out of a stand and it would be at bow hunting range 10 15 20 yards guys very very close yeah that's awful closing that's a challenge but if you're wanting a handgun at 100 yards use a modern handgun with a scope on it if you want the challenge we're you can get it in deer standing he's gonna be right there yeah it's possible it can be done the bullet can do the damage so yeah it can be done it just requires a little special preparation in it so it's kind of like hunting with a bow and arrow I mean you've got to take on the challenge practice good enough and get your placement and you can harvest game cleanly and effectively and the last question for number 20 when buying a used cab all revolve or what should you avoid okay what are you looking for you if I go into a pawn shop or whatever and there's a capital ball revolver laying there that I might be interested in what I'm looking for is one is it beat up there are a lot of Civil War reenactors that never fire these guns with actual bullets in it it's strictly a you know blank shootin noisemaker so look at the back of the cylinder and look like it's been beat up with a hammer this typically means that there's problems with the internals again back the Fanning you see a lot of the reenactments when they're trying to make as much smoke and look at it as impressive as possible and they're fanning it at the bad guys and the hammer gets a little out of time and they're just banging away and it pains the back of the head of the cylinder that would be an indicator [ __ ] the gun very slowly see if it comes up and locks up true [ __ ] the gun very fast and hard see if the gun locks up true pull the cylinder hard to the rear holding the gun and see what the cylinder gap is if there's a great big cylinder gap there I mean like you can put a dime in there pass on it especially on a brass frame it means is it stretched it no good take the barrel off and look down the barrel is the rifling fairly deep and clear if the rifling looks like a somebody's gone through with a sledgehammer forget it if the rifling is extremely light and shallow it looks like it disappears in places forget it many of these guns that were created in the 60s and 70s were made for the Civil War Reenactment market and we're little more than noise makers and accuracy is very very if not him difficult if not impossible with them because that rifling just doesn't grip the ball it was just barely there in modern times ones had been made in the last 10 years ago on for cowboy action you've got a much higher quality steel you got a much better heat treat you got much better rifling and forcing cones and muzzles and trued out and you don't have all those variables that we talked about and in my thing so that would be what I would do in a used per customer revolver is I would check the timing overall condition is there a big cylinder gap pull the barrel off look down and see what the rifling looks like look at the muzzle save it beat up or Dean with this thing you've been dropped a bunch time there's a big ding that's gonna cause all kinds of accuracy problems and that's about it that I can tell you over this well that's 20 questions I hope you enjoyed this guy's if you don't like it I probably won't do another one if you did like it give me a thumbs up or say yeah I keep doing them and if you have any additional questions or comments please leave them in the box below and if I get enough of and enough response to this I'll do another question and answer the future date I'm Blackie for Simon storage woods crafts wishing you safe journeys have a great day guys [Applause] [Applause]

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Length: 41min 1sec (2461 seconds)

Published: Sat Jan 27 2018