Patreon EXCLUSIVE | Narrative Nancy | The Joe Budden Podcast

the thoughts views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose Willet is hosts are for entertainment purposes only I repeat it is not serious it is not real no one is exposing revealing indicting or telling you anything about themselves also we do not encourage you to try this at home we are trained professionals who do not have your best interest at heart or our own enjoy the show [ __ ] I'm here you don't start on n on me I'm not St narrative don't try it that is so don't try to put that on me K ask a question me yeah nobody else for me yeah all right why can't she start a narrative on you oh oh you you got narratives for everybody [ __ ] why they can't start one on your ass you do a lot of hater block I I was like he going to go grab them glasses say anything times like this no hate no hate I promise no hate we discuss it I just want to know I'm very curious we can discuss it she can start a narrative on me okay I'm cool then I want to hear you each of you here can start a narrative on me you dismiss it though he talking to mic oh we on we live oh man I a know nothing listen each of you can start a narrative on me patronies if I've repres presenting myself in a way that seems like I have an issue with that then that's my bad and I will do better with that I love narratives I was going say I don't think you have an issue with narratives that's not true AB not only do I love narratives don't step on me I'm going thr toss it to y'all in a minute not only do I love narratives I feel like they are premium fuel for podcast they are that is true so I take it back okay let me paraphrase mhm petronis and Mel and BMWs when I start narra and is is can get somebody to smoke too when I start narratives I sit home I open the middle draw in my dresser I bypass the double x polos for the double x Nordstrom te's cuz I've gained some weight and they are more comfortable for me at home I sit crisscross applesauce in the bed with the TV on a fish tank as the Apple TV screen saver and I use all of my brain power to come up with lies about the cast I sit there and fight narrative blocks sometimes like damn I can't think of lies to put on these [ __ ] Now riters Blan I fight applesauce is crazy I fight I sit like that serious fo my bad do that she said sometimes sometimes I walk downstairs to the refrigerator in the midst of narrative block with the t-shirt on with the 20 the pool win the pool sleep hanging I don't need to know that part but the sleep out no undies yeah not a tidy Whitey Insight win [ __ ] win the this [ __ ] is hey [ __ ] that 11 the visual it's crazy sometimes I walk downstairs don't judge all the lights out in the crib to sleep out you know I mean that is sick and I open up the refrigerator door and I pull out the little thin slices of cheese that I got from the market to make a little bootleg Char cerie I didn't close the salami thing right so it's hard and it's hard definition I'm eating rotten shakery trying to fight the Nar block what I'm saying is I really go through lengths and hurdles to come up with organic natural and funny lies and narratives on you guys create your narrative oh don't piggy back off off mine I got a good one brewing in the P don't come to me now and try to add a n don't try to reverse my narrative come up with your own narrative my narrative is spicy Mel was born while ish was sick and now he's back and it was no spicy Mel that way that's the end of my narrative and it's a good one that's going to have the talk spaces riled up I'll be in there I I be in there now that's going to get them they they fall for this [ __ ] y do you really think M like no comment you guys I cannot say they asked you that they ask questions sometimes no they ain't ask me nothing about yall to I'm talking [ __ ] right now but they they have asked questions they're invested in the pond like I mean they as leared hey what do you think about and they're Savvy right so they like hey Mel's performance in 663 versus her performance in 659 what did you think about how she handled this versus did like they do that they do the they they they get into it with us really with all of us I know yeah they do so and I appreciate that dog I was I was at the gas station WWA of course at the gas station this n the key to wah about to [ __ ] I you know I'm getting so I'm walking in and somebody just stopped yo and was like yo is pretty pretty ass girl yo can I take a picture she was like over there about past Parks I'm like so after you took the picture what happened so she walked walked up to the car she walked to you or you walked over to her I walked up to her I bet you Gentle Stone Cold gentleman Ral Tre but u n i just just when you see people that take that much interest in the and they'll start arguing with me about the topics that's when I know like they're invested y that's [ __ ] up yo yo that's [ __ ] up yo y my man like my friend told me the other day that I was shooting that mail I'm like fam no I'm not the [ __ ] had the [ __ ] on his TV when I walked in his house I told y'all [ __ ] had the [ __ ] on his TV put it on I'm like bro no I'm not I'm not shooting that M I'm like yo we had a disagreement that don't mean I'm shooting at her I wasn't you know personally speaking to her that's the other thing that they they be so invested that they really be thinking we got beef up here yeah they think that we'd be dead serious about certain sh they think that we misogynists that don't like women that only want to [ __ ] one that's just you yeah that's you that that applies to you you want to put me in you can no they I you looked at me I was looking at I was looking at M I was trying to be funny and look at Mel because Mel said that we don't like women we just like [ __ ] women I me that's true a lot of money D got him there you go not you not you guys personally I'm getting my a lot of men don't like women they just like [ __ ] them it's not Shanti yo Shanti don't start the truth all right okay I'm back okay a lot a lot of men don't see value in women outside of sex you want pause you want to take a break yeah you don't want to miss this combo you want to eat we will take a brief commercial break and we will be right back don't touch that down we're back not only are we back from the break but we can't come back with that talk we was just having off of that talk that was right there true so yeah we can't do that uh which one you want to tackle first this one since we're here having it ish why do you disagree with Mel and shant's ass assertion that there are men out there like that and I don't want to put him in the same box R beef with you is that you were saying that to us it seemed like Shany is just saying that those men exist I feel like the majority of men are like that really oh I tried to shoot her some I tried to be the B bonds man seriously you you believe that I I'm going to submit to the to to the premise that there are some men that may hate women I never met I don't think it has anything to do with hating women I think men are just a lot more Primal and they don't see value in women outside of sex let me ask you um I do disagree your trauma's leaking out word yo I do disagree I think that um often times in today Society um women wom tend to lead more with sexuality and sensuality and I think that when you lead with that then somebody's going to look at you as such there's a discussion to be had right and I think that when you most men when you meet a woman like if I was single I met you it's a physical attraction it's a sexual attraction uncle is so no I'm serious along lines of getting to know you the dude still wants to hit it but now you have to whether by phone by text by hanging out show him other things that you possess outside of your physical attributes and I think that often times especially when you when you [ __ ] a dude too fast he don't get to know that you mad cool that you smart that you ambitious that you got a good sense of humor or you got intellect you looking forward to doing X Y and Z because he already got to the Pinnacle before you even showed him your whole you get what I'm saying why look so fed up I'm sorry what the you disagree with that you a man you disagree what I'm saying you disagree with I'm saying I was just trying to make jokes in my head oh no like I was trying to correct jokes to I saying muffin man get [ __ ] and be kind to my friend too [ __ ] muffin my friend I'm not doing that I could take it I'm not even I'm not even doing that I'm just saying like so I don't think that necessarily dudes um don't see past y'all sexuality I just think that sometimes that's when it's all that's presented that's all they get I will say there is a discussion to be had and maybe not today but um there there is definitely a bigger picture in society I feel like the sexual Liberation movement the way it affected men and women um pornography social media these are accumulation of things that have led people um from quote unquote back in I I feel like it's a it's ACC cumulation of things that have led people to disregard degrade not appreciate sex marriage relationships in a way that we used to sure she cooking um there is something to be said about the way that men treat sex and the way that I'm coming with it up the Dome clear out clear out big shant big behind the plants now [ __ ] I'm I never looked at this angle I'm I'm listening I'm listening I mean there there's like I said the way men view sex in the what is the pot you're cooking you're cooking you're cooking you're cooking I've never seen a muffin reversal like this this is crazy flip mov listen I I I'm not going to drag it out sexual Liberation I'm not going to drag it out too far I will just say adaptation is part of human nature women have adapted to the way that men treat us and the way that men look at us and the way that the world is because at the end of the day men are the leaders of society this is not a question men are the leaders of society you hear that big do hey salute that she's not finished salute to that one oh she's not finished so women will fall in line okay we know what men want therefore we're going to cater to that if men only want sex and that's the only way that you feel like you can attract the relationship out of them don't you think the world is going to adjust to that why do you think that they put naked girls to sell beer on commercials why do you think that they put girls in bikinis next to cars I Parks our beer guy oh I don't know cuz what goes better than beer and naked women no I'm I'm agree women go I don't disagree with one thing she beer naked women like T do so it's beer but I feel like where people [ __ ] up you know is women think that they could sell their sex for a man's emotional labor and that's quite the opposite ding ding ding but there's also a flip side to this ding ding ding there's also a flip side to this when when we say that there's men out there that do not like women that may in fact hate women and only look at them as valuable for their own sexual gratification there is in fact a significant population of men who are extremely angry with women who feel entitled to women and they also don't feel like they're receiving what what they are owed and what they are due what they are owed exactly owed is this is the word can I ask a question I I want you to keep going my question is quick what's the percentage and I'm not I'm I receive what you're saying those men exist what are you using As the metric how did you find out who how are you identifying the men to to come up with the percentage M I'm there's no way that I could give you a percentage because no I said there's no way that I can give you a percentage because that depending on who you pull it's always going to be a different percentage then how can we hold on but the reality of the situation is is that when women come together and we have these discussions no matter where we have these discussions they are shared stories um you think that I I'm listening to you they are shared stories and it doesn't even matter that was like cap FL no no no no no no no it doesn't even matter the age because me and Shanti we are we are she's 20 years younger than me but we understand each other because we probably experience the same things women in my age group younger than me around her age we all have the same experiences because it has sometimes it has nothing to do with sex sometimes when you're a woman you are presenting as I am somebody looking for partnership or companionship or a mate or whatever so you're not necessarily leading with sex you're leading with your you know know physically you're attractive but like you're leading with your personality and your characteristics and you're actually genuinely trying to get to know somebody I am telling you from the perspective of somebody who has been out with people and they bring with them that sense of entitlement that sense of Rage that's simmering under the surface that's anger with this sense of like what is owed and not being given to them and they direct it to every single woman they come into contact with and I have witnessed this I've experienced it I've seen it my girlfriends have said the same thing even women that I don't know and it's just a conversation that kind of comes up cool there wait before I I I feel like there's something to be said about the fact that a lot a lot of men think that they are old sex I believe that I think and I've I've I have personally experienced that a lot I I promise you I'm I'm with y'all okay I'm not this is not I'm not we not even playing tug of war I want you to be though as open as you are saying yo it's women that I don't know different age groups different ethn ethnicities all different walks of life and they are sharing the same experiences when we sit around and say yo this is Barber Shop talk with dudes that I don't know I never met this man might be 60 this man might be 20 and this is the general consensus amongst men you always give push back I was going to say the exact same thing we are however many men and and weekly we have shared stories never from that do we pull make a a a general conclusion about the majority of women because we have those shared stories I think you I think you guys and every time we bring it up what you say is and I quote we are not a monolith and we receive that when you say it mhm so I think is is valid in saying why is that not present on the side we are not a monolith but at the same time biology is real the things that men are geared towards and the things that women are geared towards are completely different women are geared towards nurturing family taking care of a home men are geared towards sex they're geared towards reprodution that's wrong I just read article I just read an article that hunter gatherer model is is false and women were Hunters as often as as men were back in let me ask you to now the stone ages and you work at night life yeah I do do you think the women that you work around on a day-to-day basis are looking to nurture some men and looking to raise a family or we just had Mo sitting here a minute ago and she said women are focused on what they can get from the manh that's what she said I think she said that in in regards to a scenario that had been presented we were talking about side chicks and we were talking she said she did she don't think women care about any of that but she was talking about a specific group she was talking about side chick she was talking about side chicks and their incentive you can't she said that we presented Mo we presented the room with do you think people care about do you think side chicks care about um being a side chick being a side chick as long as they're getting time and Dick Mo said I don't think they care about nothing but the bread except what they can get so my question to Shanti is and she works in night life which is a small demo but she also said that women by Nature by logically want to be nurturers and caretakers are you denying biology that men and women are different and we have different goals innately I'm going tell you I think that in your adaptation and evolution thing that you said I think that women have adapted and women have evolved to become something that is not that's against their nature so now you answered your own question so today's women don't necessarily care about having a family and raring raring children they care about the bag that's why we see so many that's why we see so many 40 year old women 50 year old women that discount family for work it's not that they don't care it's about survival I think that's a poor choice of word don't say discount that is an assumption you should never ever don't use that word don't use that word use another word hey all I say is keep the keep the sentiment change the word I have female friends change the word just change the word find a different word use it bad I didn't say NE way say it in a negative way at all I didn't disrespect women this is this the weaponization what I'm saying is I have a million a lot of female friends that have consciously disregarded a family life for their careers exactly consciously disregarded it went against their nature so what I'm saying is in that going an adaptation that's an ad Evolution so now this is where we are in today's women women the women of yest whether we got there through adaptation whether we got there through Evolution the women of today and the women of 30 and 40 years ago are different women biologically and you don't not biologically that's evolution is biological I I feel like it was a conscious decision what it's still whether why do women become attached after they have sex here's every woman don't become attached after why do women release oxytocin in their brain when they have sex with a man it's because our biology is different you know when men release that hormon when they bond with their children not when they have sex with a woman not when they years with a woman not when they walked down the aisle women do I want why it's because our brains are different no but also in addition to this men's lives have not generally changed for women decade upon DEC year by year by year things have evolved for us in a way that you guys have not had to experience that's not true no you are wrong you're saying that to black men no she wrong Mel's wrong I want us to understand that in these conversations we have to be open to everybody's experience the same way we are just saying that women have been forced I'm agreeing with you Society has forced women to evolve and adapt through a bunch of different um circumstances that have taken place whether single parent households whether um a higher cost of living all of these things have forced women to adapt and evolve we are all agreeing with that y'all have to now open your minds up to see that Society has done the same thing for men y'all call [ __ ] the new [ __ ] oh yeah that's an evolution and an adaptation M it's like a okay stop you said men haven't had to adapt or evolve no no no no no no no I was no go ah now hold on one second here you got to chill out for a second because I was about to ask you a question okay I'm not about to Stomp all over hold on I'm not about to Stomp all over what you're saying I'm about to ask you a question about what you just said about men being the new [ __ ] how is what is what process in evolution is that for y' and this is what not y'all I don't know what why what why was that a a was it a conscious choice to become betas or to become less manly or whatever the case is what is you know there's actually what is that response found it is back on the table what that what is that a respon what's that a respon have a point point I'm not allowing you to do that to me today what I'm telling you is that over through the course of history men and women have both evolved we are all six seven men in here that have agreed with you that Evolution and adaptation have taken place I want you to agree with us that that has been the same for men not what caused it cuz again it could be a a a ple it's a bunch of things that could have caused it that's not the relevant piece here the relevant piece here that a change has occurred in men and and women you're Focus true when you give your example you gave a a negative I gave one that all of us could agree with one second you gave a negative quote unquote example of Fe of women ad of women adapting to certain circumstances about everchanging Society hold on one just hold on one second no cuz you lying I didn't do that what was negative what was the negative stop what was the negative example that I gave single family single single woman household having a raised kids that's all I'm saying a higher cost of standard of living in the country that's not negative M okay real inflation is a real thing no I'm I'm not saying that that's not where I'm going with this you're weaponizing the woman [ __ ] go I'm not how is she weaponizing woman said she said he gave a negative example of female I want okay all right so then let me give the alternative to what it is that you are giving an example of the alternative is when it comes to women who are you say are disregarding and discounting the choice to have families and children these are women who are now in the first really the first time in history able to in their professional lives be on par and on level with their male counterparts be the CEOs and the heads of and Titans of Industries and CEOs and Fortune 500 companies this is important this is the first time this is the first time in history in which this was an opportunity given to women and there's some women that feel like this is the choice that I would like to make where Society has always dictated A Woman's Worth is directly correlated to her creating progeny this is where other where women say nope I am not that woman I'm making my own personal individual choice to pursue my career goals because that is the human being that I am and I'm not going to cow toow to society's patriarch standards of what is my worth in this life again I feel like had nothing to do with our conversation it actually did it really did no the conversation was um um Ashanti said that women have a biological want to nurture and caretake and I said that women of today have evolved and adapted a lot of them beyond that and that's the only reason I bought up the career versus family thing that's the only reason I brought that up to address her point which is a conscious and deliberate Choice like you just said to forego the family life for the career life I will say it's a conscious choice but I will I will say it's also not an easy choice for a lot of women it's also not an easy choice for a lot of women I agree with you to have to be independent and to have to you know Drive I mean like it's not I don't mean it in a sense of like women are like oh my God I have to to go out in the field and make money but I will say if you if you gave a lot of women the choice of family and children and the quote unquote soft life versus The Grind culture a lot of women would choose to be mothers a lot of women would choose and there's a lot that will choose today that'll choose the other side though there's a lot that will choose the other side but that's not men running around screaming soft life we not doing that I'm agreeing with you I'm not I here's the thing I don't think I don't think up until a certain point nobody gave a [ __ ] what a woman actually thought or felt there was no no one cared everyone just made the assumption that women are supposed to be mothers be wives create progyny that's it so everything else that you do is extra it's whipped cream and cherries on top of the [ __ ] cake I agree with that corre but the fact is is that women now are able to be vocal about what their choices are what their individual choices are and that's why I always say that that phrase that you guys make fun of that we are not a monolith because there actually are women out there that are like I never wanted kids it's not foregoing I truly never wanted or there's women who can't have them and they're like you know what these are the cards that I was dealt so let me do something else with my life you know what I'm saying so it's just like to try to make a statistic out of which women were forced to adapt because of changing circumstances versus the women that are like those circumstances never really actually applied to me I'm just moving and shaking as I want to do it's almost impossible to do so agreed the same way you can't make a statistic on how many men hate women and that's why I didn't even try but you said you said yo there's a you said there's a large percentage of men that is what you said and I said give us a percentage there's no way and why I told you the reasons why there's no possible way that I'd be able to give a number ifge listen I I am strictly basing that off the fact that Melissa Ford has lived in multiple places who has a global community of friends all over the world and when I speak to these women of different races of different ages of different nationalities of different cultures we we all a a significant portion of us have come to the same conclusions and that is all that I am basing it off of I cannot speak for all of womenkind and I cannot base these judgment just one second let me just wrap this up I cannot base all of what I am saying and place this at the feet of every single man nor will I ever want to do so but the fact of the matter is is that this is something that a lot of women encounter let me just ask one question when she's done go ahe go ahead with all that you just said how can you still say that's a large percentage of men because of every man you come across proes to you that your only value is whether or not he can [ __ ] masturbate inside of you then yeah you're going to come to that conclusion that men don't see you as anything other than a sexual object and to add to that I'm glad that you said that that is exactly what you're doing you are putting it at the foot of men's doors when you conclude from your large pop that you can't quite quantify how you there don't SC your face when you conclude that and say it to men yeah you saying stop stop wait no stop you went on that whole long monologue when you do all of that and then say to men in real life hey mad of y'all [ __ ] only want to [ __ ] us no you are putting it at the foot putting it right at our doorstep no hold on one second dropping the baby the no no no hold on one sec okay I like your analogy but no but no not in this not in this case I have no choice but to do that because of where I am constantly I come every week to a workplace that is male dominated so I am talking to you guys and for the most part what we hope to get from conversations like this is we hope to reach a middle ground and some kind of like you know sense of agreement of yeah we're hey we're all [ __ ] up men women hold on hold on just one second we're all super [ __ ] up you know we all have our flaws and and whatever the case is but when we remember when we had that whole conversation about sexual assault and [ __ ] like that I'm going to I'm going to no just wait just wait I have a point I have a point sexual I don't know if I was here I might not you weren't here for that you weren't here for that I wasn't no you weren't here for that you weren't here from that what does that culminate down to sexual assault no no no I'm not I'm not going I'm I'm just I'm moving I'm moving away from this but this there was a point that I made one specific point point I said every woman knows a woman who's been sexually assaulted but no man knows a rapist and the reality of the situation is is that when I bring these subjects up it's not to say that every man is guilty of the crime in which I'm talking about but a lot of times men will not kind of how should I phrase it acknowledge acknowledge the bad behavior of their counterparts in order to kind of understand you know like um not understand but like just Comm not commiserate that's a wrong that's the wrong word but I'll find another word for it later but also just kind of like understand to identify with I thank you very much identify with what women are talking about when I say I'm not laying it down at your feet but it doesn't it doesn't do anything to you for you to acknowledge that there is a point being made and that there actually are men like the ones that we are describing true that was our very first resp response to hey most men only want to [ __ ] us and don't like us what most of us said at the top of that was hey we're not negating that we know that those men exist but what real life men in your face that y'all work with and hang out with are saying to you is hey dog some of that is a slap in the face to black men that's that's working with you and never tried to [ __ ] nobody but are you making a black man thing Ain even black I feel like this is just a men thing why are men nice to you they feel like they could [ __ ] you or they already did all I can't well all right no but no no here here wait wait cuz let me finish y'all interrupting me how do y'all make that point sitting with men that see value in your' outside of your vagin that was going to be my question I was just going to say m you sit with one two but but I literally just said that I literally just said that you can agree with me that I am right in right to the point where I'm talking about counterparts of yours but not laying it directly at your feet accusing you of the same thing there no debate of [ __ ] exist course we we started he started with saying we know to speak like that our point is y'all need to speak like that again the same way we just agree I agree with everything you said sitting on this C far except for one thing what didn't you agree with um the [ __ ] about the [ __ ] I didn't agree with that I've agreed with you this far and I've been open to receiving it but hold on and the other thing that you just said right now is that I'm sitting around and routinely sit around men who are not trying to [ __ ] me that we work together Etc and that you have you know respect for me but any time I have ever brought up my interaction with other men you guys have looked at me with the come on Mel you don't see you you don't get that he wasn't that his intention was just da d d da and this that the other you guys have made me feel like on more than one occasion I can't even count how many times that the my perception of the way that I've interacted with a man that I was a fool because his intention towards me was basically just just wanted to [ __ ] you so I had said whatever I had to say I did whatever I had to do because that was the ultimate and only goal that is that is the way that you guys have made me feel about some of the stories that I've presented to you and I walk away from that feeling like complete and total [ __ ] to be honest with you because what that also says to me is that I lack discernment in how to choose the men that I deal with and I choose men that don't are that are not capable of seeing my worth however you can see my worth you can see my worth you can see my worth you can see my worth you can see my worth and without a desire to [ __ ] me time out and and what I started off with to you was wow once a man in search of the [ __ ] starts to talk to you starts to laugh with you starts to learn from you and starts to interact with you on a wider scale he now sees way more value in you than just the physical things that you presented upon your Inception okay I said that yes so when I meet you in Target I'm trying to [ __ ] you when I meet you in church I'm try F when I meet you in the school anywhere I'm trying to [ __ ] you I don't know anything else about you than how you look now it's up to the woman now to present herself in another way that is more it's the same thing when a [ __ ] you might have liked a [ __ ] and he talked his way out the [ __ ] that's a fact a lot of he talked his way out the [ __ ] it's the same thing in Reverse I wanted to [ __ ] you but now I don't only want to [ __ ] you I like talking to you I want to call you and tell you how my boss pissed me off today I want to tell you about what happened and and everything that's going on in my world I want to talk to you and let you know more about me invest so then can I so then stay right there stay right stay right there don't use terms on listen let me tell you something one second here second no no no no no stay right there and number two you how I'm still getting it he all that and I'm still m theck one second you stay right there no no we not but stay right there me first I'm just going to say narrative that's your pitbull that is how you act oh oh I'm so glad ish is back he loves he your king corso yes thank you stop calling me another man's dog m i i i don't mean it like that I don't mean it like that but you not you understand what I you narrative cuz he agrees with do I get to reply to this no no anyways mute up for a second okay so here we are so going back to going back to what you're saying how the initial desire is to [ __ ] you but then as time goes on he starts to learn so he starts to place a lot more value into this human being I'm just going to go back to one particular situation and then I'm going to get the [ __ ] off of it when I talked about the guy that I was dating I knew it CU London how about your mom because it is in that is a perfect example no you're not going to Wi why let her don't interrupt women warm God open the B literally literak open let me tell let I am going to lace all y'all's drinks with [ __ ] Edibles y'all need to chill the [ __ ] out that's my B got some over there Bakery for you Bakery for you those words heavily landed on me and I feel I feel attacked as a nug user I can't even take a drink now I can't even pick up cups I can't even pick up cups about lacing my drink okay wow wow yeah I feel some type take it some type I'm with [ __ ] I'm joking I'm joking I'm joking oh no oh it's weed this what I do oh no a fun time around daddies you have more a reason to be incoherent around beautiful women prepping her don't talk to her talk to me your co-host open the bakery man open the [ __ ] baky I'm your co-host not that cute guest talk to me okay Shanti I'm going to give you the condensed version of this okay so um I thought you was just your clothing huh no she bought the she bought that was three subjects ago it was the same subject but three subjects ago I've been FL multiple layers okay this is tiu right now who is better huh men or women this is such an off the pill podcast like we all have ADHD go Ahad cubles okay so in that particular situation Shanti I'd met somebody um basically like in March of a year doesn't matter and he lived in um lived in London we traveled a lot to see each other we woke every single day multiple times a day FaceTime the whole dine etc etc etc um everything was going great then my mom was diagnosed with cancer and slowly but surely I got gas lit on the way out the door and we had been dating for several months this was not based on sex this was based on a whole lot of other things there was a lot of sharing and that sort of thing so in your example of where a man can be physically attracted to you and want to [ __ ] you but then as time goes on you learn about that person you develop feelings for that person you want to share with that person you want to call them and they're the first person you want to tell about your day etc etc that is exactly the same scenario that I was in and when I came here and I talked about that to you guys you all basically made me feel like I was completely disillusioned to think that this guy had any level of interest in me past wanting to [ __ ] me no that wasn't what happen no that's exactly I promise you she felt finish please that's how she felt I don't want Mel to interrupt me please finish that's how she felt though that was her takeway yeah I can't I can't argue that arguable I can't argue that please finish go ahead finish that's not what we were saying well I mean are you done no let it finish no I'm asking I I want ice to go first I'm going give I'm No Love finish I just asked her what she done she said yeah [ __ ] no that's she said know I mean no it's it's fine I was going to say something else but it doesn't matter from what I remember in that situation we wasn't saying that he just wanted to [ __ ] you we were saying that he had other women still one that was one and that's one piece the other one was maybe it was too heavy for him thank you that was the most important piece Mel was dating the man for seven months Mel lived in La my man lived in London that is the 8 hour time difference Mel said that they traveled frequently but they spoke often mhm I've been a [ __ ] that had 10 women in my state at one time so what I'm telling Mel is your mother is passing away and that might have been too much for him at that time to take on with a woman that he had only been dealing with for 7 months that was one I never dis I never said he only lik you to [ __ ] you that's not true no all I never said that I said that that particular scenario because you said that when that came up he said I'm going be be here for you I'm going be here for you be here and he slowly started to slip out of the picture that's how you described it right and I said Mel that might have been too much for him in a seven Monon relationship now if it would have been a three-year relationship foure relationship I have no choice even if I don't want to deal with that I got to I got to we invested at this point Shanti let me ask you a question after listening to what we just said and let no no hold on just one second then you can go back to what you were saying I I really just actually want to hear her perspective on this question after hearing what we just said put yourself in the same situation dating somebody for like seven months and this is you're really only talking to this person and they've indicated that they only have interest in you whether or not he was lying but here that's another dig at me for me not being able to process auh not being a level to process somebody being honest with me hold on just wait one so I am I am diverting from the question not attack at you don't I'm I'm di I'm diverting I'm diverting seems a little it seems a little victim blamey though who the victim who's the victim and what do we no one's a [ __ ] victim I'm saying it's very it's very much like you should have so hold on so hold on [ __ ] that have lied one of the things that I asked that everybody [ __ ] li listen to me one of the things one of one of the things that I said to them when I presented this scenario was was it too much for me to want for him to be honest and say honestly Mel I dig you the seven months has been great this might be a little too heavy for me I I don't really want this level of responsibility and they were literally like why the [ __ ] would he be honest with you about that during the time that during the time that you time going going you expect some in that scenario like just putting myself in your shoes I feel like it's going to hurt now or it's going to hurt later if you can't deal with it just hurt me now that's how I that's exactly how I felt please [ __ ] off please walk out the door but thank you for your honesty I appreciate that now rather than Gaslight me and make me feel like your words are ech are are echoing like an empty sentiment please don't lie to me while I'm already going through a situation of of a high level of mental anguish don't add to my pain being deceitful you know what I'm say I don't think anybody here disagree with you I said that it's easier for the [ __ ] that lives in London and you live in LA to ghost you than to have that hard ass conversation that's a fact it is easier but it's also cowardly it's cowardly note the two things ghting is cowardly but [ __ ] do it but but none of y'all said that said that you didn't that's not true in theory we all say I can't speak for nobody else I'm speak for me it it was not said for me to have walked out the door feeling the way that I felt speak how you felt what I can say arue in a way where both sides get the argument out look I I can say this I can say that dog the what we discussed was really the two things one that [ __ ] he live in London Mel lives in La this is man talk now the same way y'all wanted us to receive woman talk that [ __ ] got [ __ ] and that's what we were yes if he could [ __ ] male for he can [ __ ] bad [ __ ] in London let's talk like [ __ ] now you 8 hours away you you mad hours away from this [ __ ] on a plane he cute enough fly enough swaave enough to [ __ ] you he can [ __ ] other [ __ ] in London man is there ever is there ever a scenario in this with with these parameters no [ __ ] that is there ever a scenario Within These parameters where the [ __ ] is not interested in [ __ ] anybody else let y'all tell it no the [ __ ] is wrong with you guys a point in time in which you just want to dick down one [ __ ] vagina the [ __ ] [ __ ] is with what the [ __ ] is wrong with you fu is wrong yo n n no you split up you do an opposite get away just I like what you got to regroup that was okay so pause I'm going to [ __ ] say something I need to say something need to say something Y where are you two going talk to Shanti that was crazy the walk off right there out here full circle back I want to hear it I want to hear it I want to hear it I want to hear it guess what guess what holy [ __ ] what I don't know won't [ __ ] hurt me if you're [ __ ] a [ __ ] in London [ __ ] her but when I'm calling you to tell you I'm crying cuz my mother is dying please be there for me oh that's how you found that London sleeper oh [ __ ] is that too much to [ __ ] ask for is it it's not it could be it could be could be it really could be in seven month it really could be I'm not saying that he wasn't cowardly or whatever cuz he was it is cowardly but it could to answer your question that could be s months some people don't deal with grief and stuff like that you don't know at all some people can't deal with their own grief I'm going take on somebody else's grief and [ __ ] that's corny that is corny but corny [ __ ] exist yes they do commercial that's commercial we'll be back we'll be back that's [ __ ] these London [ __ ] wait I didn't hear that part I he that part yo what the London [ __ ] did you been in londono yo what Swifty did like why you got it out for the loning at all you a even answer she TI silent little soccer [ __ ] look no more that talk to a soccer player before that's where the money at introduce me to one I got Joe I'm sure you know a couple introduce me to one the soccer players yeah is that how you think what is that what you think I would do with my platonic female friends is pass them off to these thirsty uh [ __ ] wanting scavengers that don't see the value in women what do you do with your female friends then value them yes I value you every Monday thanks Joe the [ __ ] is you talking about friends to the end you [ __ ] me all right is everybody cool of course M I had to Sage the room on a break who W today boys or girls yo why can't we ever find a topic where we're aligned in the genders like we do it's not coners it's not a conversation we just agree I just don't like they be talking us like we intels like we part of them [ __ ] and that's where that gets annoying that it does where do you think incel culture stemmed from that's your Generation Well actually I don't know I read I read a I was you know browsing my timeline and a men's health article popped up and I'm a man and I like to maintain my health so I I read into it and in the vein of hot girl summer apparently they have de deed it small penis fall excuse me they declared it what small penis fall oh we out with the sleepout wait oh we getting the stale salami I mean walking in the fridge on sleep on S on S so for all the little Peter readers copyright is uh you know it's your time to shine I guess you know why not some seg way par or not way to get to sh get over there crazy what's up you good I'm just listening trying to take it all in y yo no no pause no pause you good over there shant you over there dreaming about Heath roll no I'm really enjoying this actually are you having a good time that means a lot gck that means a lot to me she be a heat thr she be the [ __ ] with the shops yeah she want to shop at the the airport a that means a lot to me that you're having a good time thanks for having me thanks for coming how you feeling man you good oh I'm great you open the bakery on these [ __ ] but then muffin man came in and kicked the door but Mel stood up strong man Mel went to some debate class at recently learned how to hand learned how to handle men differently it's healthy debate you know when I was on the debate team in college they really taught me how to argue because they would like force us to argue against our own beliefs and that's how you become a good like argumentative person you can argue for [ __ ] you don't even agree with Shanti if you had to guess who else here was on the debate team in college Joe go to college College try don't tell the young people about [ __ ] that they wasn't around for y'all telling the kid that Daddy beat on Mama again she wasn't there I could have went to college I went to St John's I can lie 17 deg yeah the [ __ ] is you talking about I got my majors and some [ __ ] my Majors oh he he had dual concentration my master I got my M and some [ __ ] oh man I don't know your little College talk dual concent that was funny back on his dick h no M for sure went to college no shade to anybody else here H you said what I said no [ __ ] to anybody else here but want to come damn she that's it that's it only person uh oh look look captain of the debate team captain of the debate team I I did I went to University but captain of the debate team demonstrate that hey that is hate that's hate man' what go ahead how is that hate say that get out stop trying to back out Michael how how how what you what he asked you he didn't ask me anything yes he did yes he did ask again hear you you said you know Mel went to college what what what gave that away yeah what's the definitive thing that she that I went to college with other women and I know how women who went to college speak how many years you went to college so Colley about her colleges was different though when she went so she is a bachelor bachelor in science oh congratulations salute get that biology biology that's fire you just premat I was like scars my [ __ ] amazing I didn't give a [ __ ] I love her confidence she's H she say with confidence and you out here you and you making it happen salute college women are uniting but my man went to college he was the captain of a [ __ ] debate team [ __ ] you talking about [ __ ] was him [ __ ] he [ __ ] hold on hold on he did [ __ ] seminars in the Dr [ __ ] he didn't they don't speak no English [ __ ] and they understood what he said [ __ ] yeah and he did more and he did more college and he did more College than Mel oh man okay and I went to college and I shook my ass like salute for real I'm going go to college what college went to college ain't the wor Atlanta the kind of college I to [ __ ] pay for all right where you grow up uh Jersey oh big Jersey big Jersey South Jersey and then I went to school in Philly Philly that's not really Jersey South Jersey yeah it's okay yeah it's all right for you what brought you back around though how'd you get back around though I love it here that girl's good that girl's good it's a lovable Place lovable place no honestly I will say there's no place like New York any any City I've ever been to any place in the world I've ever been to I feel like New York it lights a fire under your ass and it gives you that grind and hustle culture and I I honestly love it like I talk mad [ __ ] about New York but honestly I [ __ ] love it here it's very true th% would you ever leave yeah I mean I was in Florida for a while I tried to I tried out Atlanta but again my heart is here kicked you out of booby trap hey yo outside why yall keep saying that they kicked you out ofbody can't handle it down there New York T is not a Miami T mov loves me I love mov trap outside of it's the it's the question while I was on live I said um which city has the most expensive women um and one of my friends that's what you asked that yeah asked my man and one of my friends on live sent me she said well she thinks it's LA and I disagreed that's said New York women are expensive ish said it's New York and DC so I pose the question to you guys as well which city had where the women is most expensive oh I have no idea but I'm open to receive Knowledge from y'all SS I'm open to whatever y'all say don't ask me just cuz when you start asking me question make me break [ __ ] down you make me sound crazy I just you know what I'm saying [ __ ] decipher in your brain however you decipher it don't start asking me break that down what do you mean expensive in what category we talking about if a [ __ ] spending money who cost more well you can't ask me cuz not like that not no Pros you know talking about like Miami wasn't on that list earthy I don't know he said DC he said DC and DC get mad at DC but shout out DC now will take a nice date with some crystals nice walk on the prom Moon out par they talk to the moon and some grass there you I got that grass get the electrons yeah di ni got answers to this question Cory might be the authority on the uh expensive women nobody got no answers I don't know I said New York the most expens I support you in your choice I said New York yes New York I mean Houston is salute to hon are we just talking in the us or we talking about around the world stop heyo pick up that International [ __ ] you talking about we talking about the US girl around the world what you going to say Brazil is it the the Dubai salute I'm not going to say nothing bad yo wait what' you say wor about talking about the United States United States what do you think in the United States I the most expensive girls I would say like maybe between Miami and New York I'm saying Miami nah the think the Miami is expensive expensive all yeah salute the women dress yeah that's I'm it's probably like San Francisco or some [ __ ] what is well what is the caliber like to take them out or like their maintenance or to keep them all of that La could be included in that category La I think all them Facebook and Google Google dudes are probably spending buku cash over there in the valley true Silicon Valley it's some different [ __ ] going on you got to think of course of living you know for you if you're with a girl you're supporting her lifestyle maintaining her paying for her [ __ ] Keratin treatments and nails and [ __ ] like shit's expensive in La you know full sets are not $50 no more you Fells agree like if you with a girl those are the things you're doing right I hate this [ __ ] yo the way [ __ ] I can still see you I can see you too through your glass through the side of your glasses [ __ ] I can see y'all feel her fellas oh that's my [ __ ] I [ __ ] with him the hood the glass the whole what is so [ __ ] funny everybody doesn't believe in those everybody doesn't sharing those beliefs that if you hey Mom pay your rent [ __ ] you make it get a call no [ __ ] and be happy no I didn't mean to say the b word sorry man I just do that to B did I cat you so you want to [ __ ] me in my house where I pay the rent no I I'm no yes yes why not yes hold up why not I'll pay your rent I'm saying you can pay your rent knock your slippers off of your crib not me I'm not not you specifically yeah [ __ ] knock legitimately die laugh [ __ ] you talking about you you can tell the [ __ ] y'all be around ain't no you can tell the [ __ ] they be around why that's funny what what's funny what's wrong yeah come on please you want to [ __ ] you in my house where I pay all the bills in yes yes this [ __ ] sounds like slavery watch your mouth [ __ ] [ __ ] ancestors are still here [ __ ] chill wrong with this [ __ ] yo [ __ ] you talk is thoughts is thoughts [ __ ] is is is is cracking is cracked muffins and [ __ ] made her own thing big is [ __ ] they talking about stop yes yeah you can get popped in your your crib where you pay your bills no thank you so like if a [ __ ] ain't pay your bills you pop it in my side not in the house Mel can you talk our young sister out of that trainer thought no I oh now you agree with that I didn't say anything about that I did not say anything I'm not no I will not talk out of it ridiculous to me there why are you so repulsed by that it's so [ __ ] ridiculous to me I busted my ass all month I didn't know if I was going to pay this [ __ ] rent and you bring your stank ass over here to walk on my clean floors with your dirty shoes on and you expect me to suck your dick too that sounds crazy why why get somebody else to do it somebody will happily do it not mean but we we you still not telling us why that's so crazy it's her personal choice said it's crazy no that's your choice but you're saying it sounds crazy I'm saying what makes that so crazy that's all yeah listen every everybody has their own personal belief shout out the b the [ __ ] that get half had that half s through yeah you around some thorough [ __ ] around here all right got listen I'm going to keep it real there's some [ __ ] out here who you know oh [ __ ] who have the game who has the uh who have the game and the patience to knock a girl slippers off in her crib with her paying her rent and giving him money for a per DM and paying her own car and up getting some out the fridge and getting some out the fridge and she going to cook for him when he come inside the crib hey I want Spar [ __ ] it's going be there too it's some nice Scotch let me ask you a question the [ __ ] hold no I had to ask something to hold on [ __ ] that's your peoples [ __ ] you talk all Monday [ __ ] chill out let me ask you a question the [ __ ] that is so quick to pay the rent and do everything for you right what is the connection that you guys have on a mental level conversation wise a man's job is to protect and provide if you're not pro having a conversation with get the [ __ ] away from me I don't even want to have a conversation exactly we know we know we know we got them we know but we don't really know him really no conversation go Jo guys here hold on check your C Hey listen to each their own there are women that love 5050 there are women that love taking care of themselves don't [ __ ] I'm not [ __ ] a [ __ ] in my house that I pay the bills and you're contributing [ __ ] nothing no I'm not okay will you [ __ ] him in his house while you pay the bills at yours no I'm not that horny this is what I will say to you Miss Shanti oh man for the women out there that agree with what you're saying and would like to live that life in the future can you share with our viewing audience how you go about getting said man to behave in this manner you don't get a man to do anything a man does what he wants to do a man does what he wants to do and any man that wants me is going to make me happy so you're attracting one type of man no yes you have as long as he wants to get whatever he want he has to spend do what's right while paying your bills and taking care of you making sure all your needs baby you you want to know when my grandmother started working when my grandfather died you want to know when my mother started working when my father died shout out to them shout out to Grandma we're all married we all got the same last name in my house just say something about know evolving and and changing and stuff didn't we just like open a conversation with that oh so you just parting you don't really mean that in your real life listen before we take not at all I'm just saying me personally the way I grew up and the things that I saw you know our dads took care of our moms that's what I believe in my older brother takes care of his wife they have a lot of convers not not I'm do do you not your parents are you single I am right now salute to your family I think that you know shout out to Grandma and them I think they put a lot of work in you the [ __ ] that do this for you and I asked you this earlier just now what is the like what is your mental connection with them you don't really care about a mental connection not at all that you're wrong it's it's not that it's not that I don't care at all you know what is the the problem with a lot of people they don't grow in love they fall in love anything that falls breaks you're supposed to grow in love with a person how do you grow in love you show somebody that you care about them you take care of them you nurture them a lot of a lot of [ __ ] you water each other a lot of [ __ ] that I know that spend money right on women if they that don't connect with that water song is [ __ ] the community up a lot of [ __ ] that spend money on women that they that they don't connect with mentally or they don't [ __ ] with they just I actually haven't even heard that song you're talking about the song with the girl that we they not in the house they're not in the house no more than like 2 hours they come water don't got no electrolytes in they come and get what they got to get and they out know what I'm saying I was waiting for someone to that you know what I'm talking about though sh this opens up the conversation traditional masculinity though rest in peace chins stack let's be my [ __ ] I'm listening I feel like this just opens up the conversation to traditional masculinity and traditional femininity I like men that are traditionally masculine cuz I Fu about talking [ __ ] don't talk to me pay these bills come in here if you want some [ __ ] [ __ ] I'mma get are you going to cook a meal for him yeah he's paying the B salute I'm a cook a meal [ __ ] which is patriarchy which is the [ __ ] that patriarchy I never said I didn't I love the patriarchy I don't want to work I don't have to ask you how you I don't want to tell you how my day is I love the patri oh [ __ ] I the [ __ ] fought to work not me every girl that comes here says that AB who fought to work not me salute I [ __ ] with you I [ __ ] with it I just hear lot listen I'm Cuban though listen I will say it's my culture my my culture is very uh maist as people say but I will say one thing about Cuban men they're really [ __ ] men I see it in my brothers I saw it in my father I saw it in my grandfather they took care of home I see it in my mother I saw it in my grandmother my sister-in-law everybody in my family they they do their part as a man and as a woman and that's how I was raised and that's what I believe ask a question are you willing to put up with some cheating and some [ __ ] on the side as long as he taking care of home our Granny's did I'm asking you yes it depends oh that's my [ __ ] talking [ __ ] she don't give a [ __ ] about conversation [ __ ] I don't [ __ ] how your day was [ __ ] pay these bills depends on what depends on the circumstance you know did you cheat on me with my cousin or did you cheat on me with some random [ __ ] random [ __ ] did you [ __ ] her in our house or did you get a hotel in your house he did what he wanted to do cuz he's paying the bills no but respect in a relationship so you're down with like new age patriarchy that has to be respect a relationship I'm not condoning cheating do not call me on that I'm not condoning that so you patrio if you get married to somebody your vows are to be loyal you know but I don't expect anybody to be perfect cuz we all humans and we make mistakes yeah lust what you call a savannah feel you better open your [ __ ] mouth you sitting here I want you to lend some your wi young Queen is saying come on Savannah family listen I was I was also raised that family is more important than pride and anything else that's a fact so youx [ __ ] wa wait wa wait wa let me finish you don't break up your family and that again goes down to the respect did you [ __ ] the neighbor or did you [ __ ] some [ __ ] while you were on a work trip you don't break up your family that that was instilled in me I I I agree with that part so the answer to my question is yes you will put up with the cheating and the [ __ ] as long as he's handling business I don't know I haven't been there yet ask me when I experience it maybe I will maybe I won't you never got cheated on sis and not in a marriage I haven't been married oh but you marriage is different than a relationship so much different marriage is an institution you bow before God like it's so much more serious you bow before the state for my bad sorry God is not there but yeah I understand what you're saying what are you guys not religious we are I'm just oh you are you full of them oh jeez I'm not I'm not religious why you looking around like that she got nervous [ __ ] her whole world got smaller she's fire she started looking around that [ __ ] is not religious she looked at she looked at PX first the wife y'all didn't get married in a church oh [ __ ] oh she the church no he's like no is anybody going to repace fider or I said get mared to church neither to oh that's it oh yeah uh speaking of marriage I did have a question that I wanted to present to you guys plus one at a wedding is this can this be a casual thing or is it more often than not considered a intimate thing uh tell me more what do you mean the visitor meaning the the to Beed you gave me an invite uhhuh I now am inviting a platonic friend or a ex or somebody that I [ __ ] once I'm just inviting somebody as a companion but what what signal I will say as the person who had a wedding I only gave plus ones to people who we knew were kind of in relationships of some level of seriousness cuz that [ __ ] can get expensive if you have a big wedding and you got you just bringing some random hes through here for my nice ass [ __ ] no absolutely not that random hoes through here for my nice ass [ __ ] would you bring somebody that you have absolutely no romantic interest in currently as a wedd as a wedding a wedding as done and had a ball I've done it before I had ball I I would I've done it before I had a ball absolutely me too I've definitely dusted an X off and said put on a [ __ ] suit you're coming with me [ __ ] mhm but you did that did both you didn't have any expectations of anything happening afterwards no but did both of y'all view that as just like a casual yes mhm yep yeah let's eat this rubber chicken dinner and and have a good time dog you want to go to this wedding with me like like that interesting okay yeah I've done it yeah I'm not doing that we can both come up we can both come up real Qui I just knew that I had to again as a traditional I wouldn't do that I wouldn't either I knew that as a traditional thing to parks's point I had to give a big enough tip tip to cover me and the young lady in in the wedding gift you know what I'm saying like I don't want it to be a a negative on my man so when I went to the wedding I just knew I had to overg give to cover the me and shorty but that's the case regardless with the plus one yeah yeah exactly so again but to Park's Point like yo my this [ __ ] is expensive if everybody bring in casual plus ones that I'm paying for I want to make sure I reimburse the whoever the host is of the wedding for for the the me bringing a plus one all right I'm fine with being wrong on that yeah that's that's it could be lit it can be lit no I'm I know it can be lit yeah I know it can be lit I would be worried about that about her thoughts once she left that wedding with yeah giv sending the wrong message a wedding a wedding is intimate absolutely even if you there with somebody casual when they throw the bouquet you going to be standing on the side eating cheit with your home girl dapping up up I've when the best man or the Bri's maid is up there giving that warming speech of oh they met on alone on a Sunday you want to look to the side and be like doing that us and and shorty is in her head marriages marriage and weddings and rings and all that [ __ ] have been pitched through women it's a women thing they mark it to the women for this so for me to bring a woman I would be concerned with whatever she's thinking when we leave here I've taken friends what if she like me a little bit and I shut it down one night I've taken friends that I've had sex with before or what if she like me and she don't know if how I'm feeling her which way and now I take her to a w and she like oh this [ __ ] might really think you know what I'm saying might really think it's something here would you do that as like a first as a first outing in courtship hell no hell no no I think I think y'all giving women a little bit not enough credit could be I'm just saying I wouldn't do it would you do would you do kind of rhetorical question for me me would you do a strip club as a first outing in courtship with a woman yes yes I've done that I have done it but I have also um offered it or proposed it and women said no on the first date because it so you'll take somebody to the strip club but you won't take them to a wedding based on the implications a lot of times when you take a woman to a strip club it it it screams and yells out sex sex sex sex sex okay but for that to be a thing it does take some action by me if she left that strip club and had all the thoughts in the world about her and I sexually if I just stayed a course then nothing is happening the same as the same is not true in the wedding if I stay the course and introduce no conversation of romantic cont uh uh romantic content or interest right she could still create her little Merry gound without me and that affect her behavior with with ased pertains to me she woman here who's done exactly that and literally did not come up with that scario my head but okay y'all back me up cuz I don't have them they might not agree with you [ __ ] you I legit just said hi woman here she did exact scenario has been presented and I didn't come up with any story book if the woman likes you and wants to have sex with you you could take her to go get ice cream if that's what she is leaning toward her mentals are going to be the same I don't think the setting changes that the marriage I mean the wedding the strip club or a date to the I mean a walk around a mall if that's what yeah it's always kind of the woman's decision like a wedding is very different from all that saying I feel like a wedding Cinderella kind of com but a girl want she going to what what what what message you think the wedding SS you always go with that I'm on M Assad what what there's a lot of room I like you and I want to bring you around my close friends and family what if you don't could that now cause a problem with your friendship yeah and that's why I wouldn't take a woman to a away that I'm not I just feel like sends like a like a if that's not your intention don't send that message correct same so that's what I'm saying yeah yeah she's agreeing with us she agree with okay okay you got it do you see a lot of dates at strip clubs as a bartender I mean of course I see them I see couples but not like a lot first you you don't see like the obvious first date yeah no you wouldn't know if they was on first date or no sure you [ __ ] BR [ __ ] ain't bringing their girl to Shanty bar but here's the thing but wait I think culturally it's different because I think like say give ex as an example Atlanta that might actually it's such a culture that it's just like it's a legit option as a first date and you don't read a whole bunch of [ __ ] into it New York so yeah I mean just saying I used exam Atlant I I feel like I don't know are we going to a strip club or a gentleman's club like it's so like there's context here right that too what's the difference I mean like you know gentlem you know the promise I ain't trying to be funny so okay let's take Atlanta uh for example a lore magic those kind of clubs where like it's so embedded in Atlanta culture people go there after weddings people go there after their graduation people go there on a Sunday afternoon to get chicken wings after church it's not deep you know and if they want to throw a little money they throw a little money gentlemen's clubs you know they're much more intimate it's more about like the back rooms privacy intimacy like you I feel like if especially if it's a first date you wouldn't take a girl there because to the gentleman's club no because even even if they're not [ __ ] in the gentleman's clubs which some of them do most of them don't I'm not going to say all of them are like that it still paints like a very like Narrative of like you're trying to get we're going to get [ __ ] tonight The Vibes are a little freakier yeah it's a little freakier versus like I don't know I feel like it's not that freaky to just see a girl like shake her ass it's more freaky to have her like rubbing on both of you oh and whispering in your ear oh that's what that's what what that that's an amazing Story I mean have you been to a gentleman's club with your girlfriend do you count uh what's that wax [ __ ] the city do you count that's a gentleman's club actually Rick's cab Sapphire not is that Sapp me did you guys go into the back room who me no there skinny girls in there I mean ain't no reason to go to the back room you would have it would have been much more sensual and like passionate though there's nothing passionate about seeing a girl shake her ass can't be that way because she's skinny I mean just cuz you're not attracted to her doesn't mean your girlfriend isn't but either way but there's back rooms in strip clubs yo you know I just learned that the the mermaids got a background I had no idea N I told you the story about and the fell in loveing mermaid I know but I thought that was like old cuz they redid mermaids I thought that was an old school story no no that was that was new that was from that night that you went I don't know also as a person that has worked in both strip clubs and gentleman's clubs the dynamic are different with the couples in either Club tell us more at the gentleman's club [ __ ] is swinging um not all the time there's always you know people are so different there's always swingers you know like there are people like that but there are also people that just want to I guess maybe spice up their relationship so to say or like maybe the woman is a little bit more Curious or maybe it's his birthday it's so many different scenarios but I will say the interactions are so much more different like in a strip club if I'm working in a lore and you're there with your girlfriend I don't even have to talk to you you know I'm just dancing it's not it's not like that a gentleman's club me I mean me personally I like to be more like catering towards the woman to make her feel comfortable smart any smart dancer going to takey and throw it at you cuz you feel comfortable and she so I mean it's about both of you cuz you came in as a couple but also you never want to make the woman feel uncomfortable in that scenario but I will say like when you're doing a dance for a couple it is more intimate it's more touching it's more you're in each other's faces it's not you're over there shaking your ass and I'm here throwing money at you like you make more money in which Gentleman's Club versus a strip strip club I like both for different reasons okay I'm not going to I'm not a gentleman this is for the dogs ain't no gentlemen to me I come out my house at midnight I like I mean let me stop I'm talking [ __ ] they're both good in their own way I'm talking [ __ ] right now you know what you know what it be great you need to bring [ __ ] Auntie Mel out one night at the just just a strip club you need to bring bring Auntie Mel out show a good time one night I'm down yeah she was are fun you want give us some money give who some money Mel a bonus a strip Cod bonus yeah throw it I mean make it rain on y means you heard that last part I did not yes you did you talked about we talked about on the phone we I didn't hear it I saw the comments and I didn't know what they were referring to but then you went so then I saw the comments I didn't know what they was talking about I watch ask for bonus you seen it right bonus and don't want to down her BMW money it's fine it's fine anuel so 's baby mama jene L hey now we getting somewhere now we get tell us about her we we got to play one of her songs so she's she's a little she got music too yeah hell you got your ear to the streets she's uh she um she's an artist in the she makes like demo regon music but you know she's nice so I don't know when her and anel broke up but they had a baby last year allegedly she is pregnant with 69 baby now and they are in the nudes in Dr because he broke into a studio session that she was at tekashi tekashi did and you know set it off inside the studio session cuz his baby mom was in there recording music without him I guess he thought something was going on with the producer the engineer or whatever see now you have had a contact I keep seeing the story online and I'm like well why is he running in the studio W with [ __ ] to beat somebody up in the studio but okay this makes sense now mhm see I thought that arrest might have been fake F some [ __ ] I mean and in the video um you know they're hopping over the fence of the studio they're breaking in they're chasing the [ __ ] out there's no footage of what happened inside the studio but my guess is they probably beat that [ __ ] up or who whatever like and now you're going to jail and now you know they locked them up for that yeah I don't want to go to jail out the country never and you and your friends are the reason for the fall of tekashi what do you mean I standing that tekashi's man the little white boy Steve 123 or whatever his name is uh he's the dude that was setting up the features and bringing a lot of money to tekashi so their relationship they must have had it fallen out so now this dude Steve 123 whatever his name is is doing interviews and he's saying he's just kicking tekashi backing saying oh that's white gu that they video the white guy yes he I never knew the nature of their relationship he's saying yo tekashi broke he been broke I was sending money his way and all he do is call and borrow Monies to go and buy birkens to make his his exes mad that solves the Birkin mystery maybe nobody cared about that but me well that doesn't seem like efficient usage of your money yeah I wanted to know if some of these artist onen he bought her a Richard Millie a G wagon he bought her a couple birkens paid for her surgeries bought her a banging house he was busting it up on that little Dominican [ __ ] so if you out here giving your y away after I spent the half a million I'm have some problems in your studio session too [ __ ] bring muscle muscle Rick and them up in there to listen listening to you and and and how you speak though uh it brings me back to something I say something I say here all the time which is I feel bad for the young 21 22 23 24 year old nothing about you sounds like a 24y old one of them yeah and I was at nothing about how just how you speak and how you don't sound like you would [ __ ] a 20 or someone in your age bracket yeah do you have an age PR do you have an age preference uh yes older than me like well I mean you're you're and this is you know compliment you're you're young so what is older than you um what's your minimum yeah at least 30 at least but I my I don't have a type I don't like to say I have a type but I prefer to date men over 40 she went from 30 to over 40 prefer I prefer men over 40 minimum 30 I don't go for anybody under 30 so you don't feel bad for the young [ __ ] in their plight out here these days no because there's plenty of young [ __ ] that don't [ __ ] them go [ __ ] them but y'all are the young but y'all are the Young and if y'all won't [ __ ] him I mean my friends will I won't all right all right my home girls [ __ ] y'all it's cool I'm I'm done I'm I'm tapped I don't have anything think about that that's hard yo you 24 you up and coming you think you just got your degree you're an accountant Good Luck Good Luck you think you're [ __ ] the strip club bartender you comeing there bragging y'all make 75 [ __ ] there's nothing wrong look Papa this is 75 papa there's nothing wrong with young men especially that are in the process of getting their life on track more power to you that's what you're supposed to do is get your life on track man or woman but I'm just saying me personally I like a man who's established already I like a man who could teach me something been around the block a couple times I did it so let me tell you how to do it so you don't [ __ ] up I feel like a a man my age he hasn't done it yet he don't know what he's talking about he's got to do it also is in your scenario there is his female counterpart of course there is that you know there is that he's female account Department okay that wants to build with the accountant she's a nurse you know yeah there's there's um a lot of women that they don't care we just saw a nurse earlier I don't think she's [ __ ] the accountant either she's special though she's special okay let me use another profession teacher H third grade teacher and accountant I know a lot of teachers that [ __ ] with some big dogs girl you're not helping me right we teachers we're not all a monist your ass out of here you know what what's that what's that tongue action you just have right there Alexis called you out on that [ __ ] I saw it it y yeah see I mean why do young women like older men because they're experience why do older men like younger women they're impressionable it's problematic the last why do older men like younger women cuz yall are impressionable yeah why you looking at me I was just waiting for a response I I'm listening okay she she said the thing she said the sentence she finished I I heard her no response no thoughts should should I have thoughts on that just wondering no okay why would I know okay I'm lost what are you what are you implying she just imply I was just the young Queen said it was a mad vague sentence what type of reply is she looking for from the vague sentence that's been said around the block a million times not my first time hearing it like that's what I'm lost about I didn't know if you had a take on it I don't [ __ ] young girls so I don't I don't have a take on that what's young you you and younger a couple years older than you and younger yeah so why would I I don't know I don't know I I I never really I [ __ ] young girls back in the day cuz they were a fun time hey them [ __ ] a had no schedule no job no parents no home they was broken down not not heal stand no standards they they was [ __ ] 10 other [ __ ] and me was like that's why I did it like is that what you wanted me to say I retired from such a lifestyle because it it didn't feed me it wasn't holistic and it wasn't a part of my Ministry and you eventually get too old to chase these little young girls around as they just you ain't really got the win mhm wind or wind wind the wind to chase them around no I do not or to keep up or yeah the other wind yeah they yeah it's different oh see cuz I'm walking down the stairs on sleep that's how you talk that's how you talk to me I walk to the bathroom pop one of them boys come back out like T like Dallas we them boys yeah hanging hanging from the ceiling fan hanging from the ceiling fan [ __ ] we watch how you talk to me you stupid yo hold up that was the other thing about [ __ ] the young girl a that no problem go ahead and get on top all right Daddy hey see the older [ __ ] want to negotiate with you want to negotiate yeah I was on top last time oh it's your turn now girl girl not these young [ __ ] now these young they hop up [Applause] there hey the young [ __ ] are still getting up there reverse cowgir turn around how about y'all so you agree that young girl is going to give you the ride of your life he he asked you a question though oh my God wait what he said what was the question directed towards me he tapped you and and literally what about huh what the [ __ ] you yeah you want you want to turn the mic on and talk about libraries and picnics huh huh how about that how about talk about what to do with the Press of getting on top when you tie and off a full stomach or with a hangover huh you know anything about that old Mama huh since you want to present questions to me let's talk about it what's up okay old are lazy [ __ ] too though wait what you say old man are lazy [ __ ] too though oh no I'm agree we know I'm saying that's that's when we bring the young style you know pay the bills I got the bills [ __ ] is we talking and I said women ask more of men there you go that is a terrible example I don't know of what we ex what we ask of men yo she said sex is more for men though don't you think Shanti sh you trying to turn us up you trolling you even though this your first you more for men I'm not saying women don't en I'm saying it's more for men like patriarchy for real for real whoa whoa whoa okay so based on what you just said about sex being more for men than it is for women what do you think that the average woman's primary goal is when having sex and we're taking you know creating progeny and having children getting pregnant off the table it we're just talking about sexual enjoyment here average woman what are her needs and goals what it what's going on in her in her head I mean obviously her own pleasure but I feel like please a lot of times oh I feel like obviously like her own pleasure is important and like to any woman that has sex like you're doing it for you but I also feel like you're doing it to make your man happy as a job or Duty not a duty that I feel like that makes it seem like a chore it's not a chore but I feel like if you know if I if I [ __ ] him good he's going to be so happy today like I feel like that's a woman's mentality so so that is of Paramount importance versus her own sexual gratification they're both important I feel like they're equally important yeah I want to have sex with my man but I also know having sex with today is going to make him so happy he's going to be go to work tomorrow ecstatic like I guess that a human thing so in what way does that make sex just like really like an activity just for like for men hey oh no because I feel like um men and women act like different if they don't have sex like I feel like women they're okay if they don't have sex I feel like men they just wanted more they really believe that men are like cavemen who just cannot F the world that's what that's all I'm hearing wait wait hold on hear that's why I'm asking these questions because I am going to beg to differ there have been time there there's been a lot of time in my life in which I was ravenous yes you know what I'm saying where I was just I blinded by desire where I I used to I used to be ravenous but dog we know every no no all J every girl I've ever dated like was in a serious relationship with they all wanted to [ __ ] more than me they all had a higher sex drive than me on dogs so I don't look at it like yo women are women really feel like they doing [ __ ] a favor by [ __ ] them and they really feel like because I'm [ __ ] you I'm doing you a solid now you need to do me a solid back and how many and the fellas pay my bills and and look to the fellas how many of y'all have known when your girl tripping she just needs some act right because she's tripping and you know exactly what it is it's women it's women that be tweaking because they not getting [ __ ] after a certain amount of time but the scenar the scenario just you just presented kind of flies in the face of what I just said there's women I agree with you yeah so like if I'm ravenous and I want to get off and I want to [ __ ] and I want you're not doing it for me you're doing it for you but not only that but there's no expectation of you also paying my bills after that no I said not you I said that the general thing is that women are [ __ ] for us for the man like I'm doing you a solid and and for but the women who are ravenous for sex and desire it a lot that's something different these are two different groups of women that you're talking about okay just wanted to differentiate between yes like yo a lot of times wom there's definitely women that weaponize sex women say yo I'm not [ __ ] him if I'm going 50 on my bills I might as well get a roommate I'm not [ __ ] him never disagree with that she said something similar she said yo I'm not [ __ ] a dude in my house she said and not in his house either oh she did say that yeah but all her views respectfully just sound like they come from the young woman that hasn't fallen in love yet that's true I was engaged baby what are you talking about women always that means absolutely nothing why do women always do that I was going I guess the I guess the assumption is the assumption is that if you have become engaged to somebody betro to somebody that you are in love with them that's the Assumption okay but let me advance that I was ready to life most of the women that say that don't be next to their husband or fiance true were you in love with talking abolutely you talking about some old [ __ ] way back wearing the G his KN that don't speak to let me ask you a question if the dude that you was um madly in love with that I don't want to talk about him okay all right okay got it salute I was in love with the guy that I was it's a different scenario cuz my question was if you're in love with somebody right and now God forbid you in love with them you madly in love with them and God forbid something happens to them to the point where they can't provide for you financially what happens to that love oh I'm out I'm joking do you know that um actually there's there was a case study about how women who um about married couples like when the woman gets sick the man tends to step out or divorce versus when the man gets sick the woman stays with him like it's more likely for the man to step out on their marriage when their when their lady gets sicker can't do her wely duties stats don't come into play now when are we talking about any specific things I'm talking about the person that said yo if a man can't provide financially for me then I'm not [ __ ] him so if you are mad and I don't want to bring your situation cuz you said it it's off limits but I so I generalized it and said that if the man that the woman is madly in love with and that a lot of that love is predicated on him providing Financial stability if he comes into a place where he can no longer provide that stability what is the outcome it doesn't mean you don't love them it just means I did not say that at all I said do she stay no gotcha so you could leave somebody over finances that you are quot quote madly in love with love is conditional though I know and that mean you ain't in love love is conditional when you're in love it ain't when you say your vows those are conditions no they're not that's a words that somebody told me to speak that's some [ __ ] it's like reciting a rap [ __ ] up [ __ ] don't believe that don't believe in vows cuz cuz one of those vows is richer or poorer that's one of those vows so if you really took those vows to heart when he po fres muffins Muffin Man fresh muffins yeah you were saying sorry um I was just saying like when the conditions of your relationship change the Love Changes if you're with a woman and she no longer has sex with you you're going to be upset right if you're with a woman that used to cook for you every day and she no longer cooks for you you're going to be upset right if you're with a man that was providing for you and he no longer provides for you you're going to be upset so don't bring the vows into this when you just use that as a justification cuz if those vows are meaningful and if those vows you meant them you said them in a church you said before under the eyes of God then you lying to God when you saying if the conditions change them out no because again every every relationship is transactional whether people want to admit it or not you do something for me and I do something for you you stop holding up your end of the bargain well that's not what the [ __ ] I signed up for why do you think people even get divorced and fall out of love it's cuz the conditions of their relationship change or the two people change they might have adapted and evolved in two separate different different directions yeah of course people could grow apart or you know maybe couples that are married for many years now children are in the play there's many reasons that people break up but at the end of the day it comes down to what our conditions changed you're no longer doing something I'm no longer doing something we're no longer seeing eye to eye because our minds are not meeting so with that being said so with that being said why make those vows and then say till death do us part or say because everybody enters into a union like that hope no no I'm going to what she said religious under the eyes of God in the church now with those factors why do you say for rich but I I think I think it's all I think it's all true like some people get married and they're not getting married in the most traditional sense they're not in a church and they're not in front of speaking solely to what she said I'm only talking about what she said said not work on their relationships and marriage though yes you can I'm I'm you said in a church religious under the eyes of God I'm stick I'm solely staying here for rich or for poor sickness and in health till death do us part now you're contradicting that by saying if you can't hold up your end of the bargain I'm out how am I contradicting that when I'm saying that you can work on that if and if you don't work on that and if you refuse to work on that then yeah sometimes you have to step away what if he can't this we Joe said tragically something happens I'm sorry tragically something happens and that person can no longer do that he was an athlete pulling in x amount of millions of dollars a year has an accident cuts his leg off ctions are not the rule I can't say what a person would do in that situation I have never been in that situ I don't know I don't know what the right answer is have you I mean have you guys ever been with somebody that tragically their life has changed forever what would you do I've been with people that me leaving them tragically changed their life not I haven't no I can't say that I I mean seriously and and let me tell you something when I was I'm sorry let me just make this point when I was was in high school I had a teacher who her husband you know he he was in a very very tragic accident and he was bedbound he's quadriplegic and she took care of him and she stayed with him she was by his side and you know the just the pain of of even dealing with that you know it's like she's like you know this is my husband and I love him but I just never really thought that this is what my life would be and that pain is valid you know MH I don't think he would have stayed if the shoe was on the foot there's a see spec we don't know no because there's speculative that's why I said I think there's a man his wife got burnt up she was a top Doge model I don't know saw and she got burnt up her face she had third degree burns all over her whole body he had to literally pick her up and care for her her face was burnt beyond recognition and he stayed I saw that mhm CL it up him no of course I'm just saying so it's not a man woman thing you get what I'm saying it's not a it's a person thing what can you deal with what are your limits I mean it's like and also I don't want to paint people that cannot deal with those things as bad people that's true we are lucky enough to never be in those situations I agree with that that is true try the grace of God yes that's true I I I don't look at it as a bad thing too I'm just saying but no I just throw it up like when you start talking about the vows you know what I'm saying and how valid and important the vows are I mean yeah but we're looking at it like surf level you know like those things are vain like when you get down to the nitty-gritty of like a marriage in real life you know in sickness and in health these things that you cannot control because life is just so crazy it's like I I feel like these things there's no right or wrong answer it's like staying or going or divorcing or holding through it it's just it's so personal like there is no right answer so then it sound like you saying what flip said them vows of [ __ ] I don't think they're [ __ ] though okay come on man you pick you got to pick and get poison listen pick but two things can be true at once though they can their vows cannot be [ __ ] young lady I know it's passionate for you but you have to relax a little bit let let me just say something and I do respect what you're saying I think that um if we look into you have one way of thinking and salute um if you look into the you say your family's Cuban yes if you look into the Cuban people they have a certain way they live their lifestyle I think it's amazing and you said that in my family I watch this and that this is how I feel so uh your standpoint may not resonate with others that don't think the same as you but [ __ ] them vows [ __ ] them to you and to you too and to you and to you too and to you too cuz like you said you said changes a lot of times in marriages how we find out that something went wrong in the marriage cuz the pattern gets different we like we you we become so accustomed to something and something changes then you might look into it like why are you not doing this anymore [ __ ] why are you going over there now and bought a new cologne that you haven't wore in 5 years you now wearing cologne she bought yeah but if she bought it what if she didn't buy whatever all that funny fancy word [ __ ] what I'm saying is that are we forgetting that [ __ ] slavery was in the Constitution you bring about slavery okay youy things change sometimes I'm trying to tell you your niece Sister Mary Clarence listen what I'm trying to say your don't even she watch she she watch your video not even no she she has that's an insult to her she has her own mind she has her own and I consider that a compliment but that is an insult to her and having her own Concepts and thought Jesus Christ stop stop she right that's an insult to her I do agree I'm just saying like change like you said things change let's move forward a lot of us are married and we go through through issues and it takes a lot to stay in the marriage and to dedicate that to a person dedicate that time and love to a person all right I want to say something though there are there are a lot of couples yes that I personally know that have divorce because one of the other could could not pull you know uh produce you know like either the one was infertile the other one was sterile and I feel like those things you know they matter like in a relationship if you know you want children and you and your partner just can't do it and that is like your personal goal in life is it wrong to step out on that marriage would you get aate I think that um you could serious yes you can adopt you could do different things I mean I've never been in circumstance so I can't say how I would feel like from a personal perspective but there are alternatives that are available for that I can't say what I would do though cuz you can adopt you can have surrogate you can do a bunch of other [ __ ] I know I know couples that you know like they were in love and because of that they split up because maybe my life's goal is to be a mother and you can't or you know vice versa whatever the case I feel like certain things they're not wrong certain things are so are so personal to a person that in a marriage yeah you guys are supposed to merge your lives but at the same time you're still individual people things matter to you things matter to me maybe sometimes we're not going to go go that course together like true I think if a person considers himself to be religious then and they did these things under the eyes of God as they say then you you either should have known that beforehand or you have to stick that out like I talk to my moms all the time about that and she tells me with in their religion you don't get divorced the only time you can get divorced and it is acceptable Through the Bible is if one person steps out on the other y'all could have any other issues you were married in the eyes of God till death do you part you made those vows and you have to adhere to those vows so if that person is religious then no none of that matters that's why I asked you the question black and white I'm just certain people carry these religion and these traditions and certain people don't and here we're on the [Music] jbp

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