Pastor David Rosales / History of the Jesus Movement

with Ryan Reese from Southern California this is live with Ryan Reese post your questions using the hashtag live Brian Reese on his Instagram Twitter or Facebook we have a great show I have one of my good friends David Rosales in studio from Calvary Chapel Chino Valley I'm good good to be that's as corporate as it gets so I want to get you on the show because your og original guy from the Calvary Chapel movement one of the yeah one of the first guys that actually launched out from from Chuck Smith that actually created the movement of all the different churches that are now worldwide and it was birth during the hippie movement mhm and your testimony I mean I've known you how long were you a kid when I met you yeah yeah knowing you and your family forever and then we got Ari and we went to Israel and we ended up on a plane together mm-hm and after I got saved I told you my story but I just want to say out of the gates that God's use you and several other of the original Calvary guys in my life that have that have come alongside me to encourage me in a very I mean I came from the world and I wasn't dropped into the church and I didn't feel like I fit in anywhere but I think because you guys were you guys came from and this is why I relate to you guys so much as you guys came from a radical you guys got saved radically at a radical time in history with the whole hippie movement stuff that was going on that you guys understood where I was coming from and it felt like the other like the other coverage chapel pastors during that time like the different generations they didn't come they came from a different era of the calvary chapel movement so i think that's why you guys you knew me you saw me and and I felt like we related in many in many ways and just by taking chances on me I mean gosh you guys took chances and utility' chances you know and I just want to I just want to thank you for that of course know you do you weren't as different as you may have been feeling you know as we were sharing a little bit earlier the Calvary Chapel movement was was birthed from a radical time in American history you know and so the things that you did yeah there was a notch up or maybe several notches above the things that the average hippie was doing at that time you were more radical in many ways but we saw the Lord do some fantastic things and some very radical people so know when you got saved your dad and I had spoken more than once and your mom and spoken to Maria and had mentioned to us you know keep trying prayer you know which we did over the years you know and when we think of you we would pray for you and so for me when you got saved I was just like I know your dad was so blessed you know and we were blessed along with him but your radical lifestyle and all of that yeah that was kind of like something we came from you know because the hippy movement when you when you put it in context the hippie the hippie movement was extremely radical at a time when when things were I guess that old saying the first cut cut is the deepest when they when the hippies rebelled against the conservative establishment it was huge I mean if you had here your hair for example you wouldn't have here like that because guys would would cut your hair off of you they would actually take you and physically no way yeah is that crazy yeah they would do that and you know there were artists at that time that that today we look at his being kind of like jokes almost certain comedic in some ways like Sonny and Cher but Sonny you know Sonny Bono sang a song called laugh at me that was on the radio because he had walked out of a restaurant and he had hair and his hair wasn't even that long right it was it wasn't even at his his his shoulders and people were laughing at him so he actually wrote a song that becomes somewhat of a hit became a hit in the alley Southern California market and it was called laugh at me and he says then I'll pray for you you know because they were laughing at the way he looked his wife's share saying songs about people laughing at him and and so that was just real common mm-hmm and so when I started growing my hair and a lot of the kids were doing it already I was later into the scene than they my dance my way I was my dad told me I you know you grow your hair you're out of my house yeah it was real radical so okay so let's talk about this what was that before we get into your whole story what was happening during this time like there was there was a revolution happening in America right the freedom the free love which was just free sex yeah there was the drug movement which was the LSD and the marijuana at that time I think you guys had some pills around but it's more of that whole like psychedelic movement I mean what else did we what we at war we're at war and then what else was going on during that we you know during racism happening racism always was yeah racism but here in Southern California it wasn't as pronounced it wasn't spoken about as much yeah we'd read about it in the South where churches got bombed and babies got killed but here in Southern California our racism was more masked it was more like now you know that's someplace else yeah but I never spoke to an african-american until I was on a bus on my way to Fort Ord you know I was 20 years old I had was spoken to a black person in my life you know and so no it was it was there but it wasn't as a parent it wasn't as real it's been said that the southern racism was genuine and real because at least the those who were racists would speak to the blacks and say I hate you it was the northern racism that was more dangerous you know Martin Luther King said that he'd never encountered anything as racist as Detroit and that's the North because he says because people would say because people will say we love the black man when in fact they hated him and just masked it with pretend love see so that was real during that day so there were something many things that changed I mean it starting real early and moving very quickly to kind of what led to the Jesus Movement as I see it and remember it is you actually I think much of the movement that led to to the hippies and things was really founded in music it really was music what was so what was the mind state like where were the kids at in their head what were they so attracted to what were they trying to accomplish what was missing what created this this movement what were the lyrics what were they searching for I'd say that the same thing every generation looks for love love and we were looking for a relationship we were looking for for real something that's that's that's not phony we used to call it plastic we were looking for something that was real something authentic yeah the church at that time yeah what were they doing well the church at that time looked at the hippies as a threat and looked at the hippies as being just worthless even Chuck Smith himself would say that and he did yeah now that the hippies were just lazy and they ought to get jobs and it was really K Smith who would sit there and watch the hippie kids walk past or the beach kids at Huntington by the pier and she would be there on Main Street and she would see the hippie kids walked by and she she would cry well Chuck would say those kids are dirty how to take a bath cut the hair you know put on some shoes it was Kate Chuck would say this it was Kate who would cry for him and it was Kate's tears and her prayers that actually made Chuck begin to think something's got to be done for these kids in the church at that time now like electric guitars and all that that was like from the devil right drums it was called voodoo music voodoo musi with an electric guitars and drop the drums because they say yes they said the drums were jungle beat and it would drive you into an emotional frenzy oh boy so they banned oh I mean we rented a church that would not allow us and this is we're talking about the 80s yeah we we were not allowed to bring drums or guitars into the sanctuary we could have it in the fellowship hall but you couldn't have them in the sanctuary so how they were seeing like hymns done like like well the answer what was the a word it was a seventh-day Adventist Church this is back in 70s actually but yeah but we we we brought in the guitars and things and all eventually but no they said that that was dishonouring to God and that was a typical that was not unusual yeah so that's so now you have all these kids that are there listening to rock music I mean I just saw I've watched several I've always been attracted to men been into like the psychedelic music from that era ever since like high school I got into it and been ever since so I always watch the old like the Grateful Dead documentary on on Netflix they did an incredible document it's like like 10 films of how that whole thing birthed the Wallace sound all that then the Jimmy Hendrix the doors and they did one on Woodstock recently which is incredible but um you have all these kids that are that are into this music and stuff and so they're they're so far from church the church is against them they're against the church and that's kind of where you were at in your life at that point so what um as you grew up during this era how did you even find God or get introduced to this being caught up in all this noise yeah I was raised my mom was was 19 just a month short of 21 she had me she already had my brother when she was 18 and so mama would play music in the house constantly I grew up with all the old rock all of it because my mom was a kid you know so I grew up and I still remember the original cuts of Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis and you name it I remember it because that was my mom and my mom was a dancer my mom loved to dance and all and so I grew up in the environment of music yeah and all of that so that always had kind of like a draw to me so I was liked it but the church you know I was raised in the Catholic Church and the church didn't allow any modern music for any sort you know so it was boring free the homilies or the preaching was boring to me none of that connected so like for the listeners that are listening that are that are they're Catholic what's what's what was the difference that you see now between the Catholicism back then to a relationship with God now well there's a huge difference and I'll give you a quick example okay cuz really quick as I into a lot of Catholics and they don't they don't never heard they've heard of the Holy Spirit but they never knew about the connection you don't know how that operates yeah I was I was raised in the Catholic Church I was baptized when I was a few months old I received my mic they call it the Sacrament of Penance and Communion and Confirmation so I there's seven seven sacraments sacraments in the Catholic Church I received four of them and so that was all your basic stuff so I was raised being khattak you the Catechism I knew the basic I still do Murray my wife and I were just talking last night we were watching a show and and they had a Catholic theme in the background and I turned her and I said oh and I explained something to her about and she says oh yeah I remember we were both raised in a Catholic Church so what's the difference well when my friend I have a friend who started going to church to Calvary Chapel he wanted to argue with me about God so I went to a priest my parish priest and I sat down had a meeting with them and I said listen I've got a Protestant telling me about God telling me about Jesus and and and being saved and all and I want some answers I want to be able to debate him I said because I'm a Catholic I said and I and I think the Catholic Church is the true church and everything I've been taught I believe but I don't have any answers for him and I'll never forget this Ryan he leans back and he kind of folds his arms and he says well I tried Eastern religion I tried various other things he said I came back to the Catholic Church and so will you that was his answer and so when I walked out of that room and I was a dumb kid I was 19 but when I walked out into that room I said to myself he didn't know he didn't know what the truth is yeah and and that was so I mean he had no passion he had no sense he had no answers he had nothing and so I can't speak for the average Catholic but I can speak for myself I can say that when I went to church there was no gospel I could say that I sat next to people that had no love I can say that I took an oath when I was 8 years old in church the priest had to stand up and say if you don't want to drink and never will drink you know stand up and I'll pray for you and I was a little boy that I stood up because I wanted to live for God and I stood up and the priest kept on looking trying to talk me out of standing up because I was so little but I'll tell Ryan the first beer I ever had in my life was in the Catholic Church and I was 8 years old we broke into a refrigerator and we stole a beer they were going to have for their fiesta for their festival yeah so the same church that was telling us take an oath not drink sold us the beer within two or three months after that right now so I saw that I saw those things you know you're eight years old you're not stupid I mean yeah yes and I began to see the Catholic people I knew who would would say Catholic things but God things I'm blessed by God but their lives didn't line up with what a good life was and that was my early upbringing so by the time I was 15 that's when I started i'll qahal in drugs when I got into that age I I just stepped away from any of the faith that I used to have yeah cuz it wasn't adding up and that's the thing with that when I go to these high schools I'm always constantly and wherever our tour in the world I'm always cutting through religion and relationship because when most people think about God or Jesus or Christianity or any kind of religion they think of like all these rules and regulations and that's you know when you're a Catholic and you know you're they go out and live like hell all week and then they just go and confess and go right back to that old life there's no transformation mm-hmm and I tell these kids I'm like guys this is about a relationship you know it's not about a bunch of rules and regulations but when you invite Jesus Christ in your life the difference between relationship is God sends the power from heaven the Holy Spirit he fills you and then the Bible says that he makes these all the old things in your life pass away and everything become brand-new outwardly you're still the same you don't change outside God doesn't work inside of you and because you have the power the Holy Spirit inside of you things start changing and you start sinning a lot less and God starts cleaning up your life but you're still the Ryan Reese are still the David Rosales you're still into the same things music and art and you know sports or whatever it is that stuff doesn't change but it's more of like the inward work and and it's not a bunch of rules and regulations because I think that's the biggest turnoff even from just from religion to the common folks is data they don't want a lease to be like when I gave my life to God if you would have said Ryan you need to stop watching porn you to stop smoking cigarettes you need to stop you know all these things in my life I would have been like you I can't do it but the work are the Holy Spirit I stopped cussing immediately you know for the most part then the porn went away like I got to a place in my life where I was just like okay dude I don't want to be a poser I don't want to be like a double-minded man I don't want to watch porn and go to church back and forth so the Holy spirt Holy Spirit to get on my life after six months and then it's the cigarette stopped after like a year you know I'm saying it was a process but it's not a bunch of like okay you need to stop everything right now mmm it was just more like fall in love with Jesus and let him do that that's the difference between goals and regulations religion and a relationship well you know when I when I've taught at the church about marriage and the question I've said you know why don't I commit adultery because I have plenty I've had in the past plenty of opportunity why don't I it says because the Bible says thou shalt not commit adultery the reason I don't commit adultery is simple when I'm in love with my wife yes and I'm in love with my wife that keeps me from doing the things that I've been forbidden to do in the first place and I really believe that what you just said is right on because yeah there are some things the word says do not do this and and because you may not understand it you obey it because it said not to your bed but over time you come to realize that these things that were given for a blessing and not a curse and you begin to realize wow God said don't do that because it would hurt me I didn't know it at that time because I longed to do that because I found pleasure in it but I've discovered that by not doing that my life is better and and that's how it is is ya obedience is out of love it always has been and as a Christian when I got saved I knew a lot of the stuff might my my vocabulary was horrible III one of my coaches said that I was the quickest runner in high school in our high school because I was on the track I was a quickest runner in high school but had the filthiest mouth he'd ever heard you know and when I got saved I actually invented word combinations just to blow his mind I actually did I really did that so when I got saved one of my friends bill told me this he said Dave he says I know you're saved and he said how would you know something like how do you know yeah he says you don't cuss him you don't cuss anymore you don't cuss anymore and he was right I hadn't even thought about it because the Lord had given me a new language and those were the things that I did they went away but like you said there are other things that are like besetting sins habits things that you've done I've never really thought about yeah you know over time you start saying I don't feel good when I do this and then you discover well that's because it's wrong to do because you don't know the whole Bible the day you get saved you just know that you're safe and that's where the word comes in that's where the cleansing the washing of the word comes in that's where you get convicted cos God says not to do this and then you say God are you sure and because of course he is you just not wanted to give it up but over time you start realizing his word is sure and it does change lives and I want to be an example and people do look at me as a model I've given my tests and that's kind of how it works you know and I did the same kind of thing I think it's just basically what we do yeah 100% with that with that okay so I forgot we were where we were going before we got into Hennessy okay so well that was for basically the difference between religion and relationship so now you as you've grown up as a Catholic how do you find how did you end up finding God because you just your friends talking to you about yeah about Christianity yeah and you're talking to the priest yeah and then the priest basically he's like he doesn't have a clue because he obviously doesn't have a relationship with God so what was the next step - well my friend began to invite me to go to Calvary Chapel and I had been going around with the young lady at that time that I was I felt that I was in love with Marie has since convinced me I wasn't but you know at that time my I was pretty sure I was and I was a I was a rotten person you know it's a good in relationship at all it's all about me and what I wanted and stuff and so I wasn't good a good person so I I hurt her and I felt bad about it for the first time I really felt bad about hurting another person and so I said something's wrong with me I've got to change something and I started doing kind of crazy things the pattern started erupting because when I was 18 I had oh yeah 18 I had broken up with a girl and I went in burglarized a jewelry store I got arrested for doing that well after I broke up with this girl I started doing the same wild kinds of things they stopped eating started just you know downing drugs they dropped like 30 pounds in a month because I stopped eating and I was already skinny I was already skinny I what was going on what were the drugs you were doing were you like uppers or down no I hated uppers because I couldn't sleep I like to sleep I hated him you know but I smoked a lot of pot drank a lot of beer and said I dropped magic mushroom things like that just those kinds of things that were because remember at that time right this will kind of blow some of your audience who's more conversant in this but acid at that time was $10 a hit ten bucks ten dollars a yeah yeah and you could buy you could buy a can you could buy a lid you know I don't know what it's called today is it on paper or liquid how are you guys it would be both you know we've had pills you know sometimes they would and they'd give us an aspirin that was soaked in I mean there are different ways that you could get it that's crazy yeah and we'd smoke a lot of pot and so I started moving into Reds little Reds you know Seconal Lilly f40 I'll speak to the older audience right now they were there Downers Taylor Downers so I started doing those kinds of things but I started doing a lot of drinking and smoking pot that began to be what I liked it was easier to do it is you know you could get it a lot easier and that's what I was in I couldn't afford ten dollars for a tab of acid you know so ten dollars back then would have been like how much I don't know what it goes for now that's ten bucks at that time I don't know but ten bucks is a lot of money back then it was you know it that's probably a hundred bucks or more that's crazy I was like you can buy a half gallon of wine for a dollar 69 I know that because I did it every crazy that's how I started my Friday nights with a half gallon of wine and a quart of beer that's how I started and then it just rolled for the rest that's what we did okay so I got invited by a friend of mine to go to Calvary Chapel and that's when I told him listen you know he because he'd been asking me and I said I don't want to go to your church how'd he get you there well insistent he just continued to ask and so I was in a garage across the street from my house smoking pot drinking beer and he came and picked me up and I went to church the first time I went to Calvary Chapel I went in barefooted you know a little high you know alcohol on my breath and I expected to get kicked out because at the Catholic Church you couldn't even walk in barefooted I mean there's no way yeah I'd have been escorted out there there were it was a place that sat to 300 people receipt taken at that time was the little chapel okay so this is this is in the summer of 1970 okay so it was the little chapel there every seat was taken the aisles were filled with kids even around the platform and I remember walking in and sitting in the very back as we were a little late everybody would come early and I was sitting in the back and as I was sitting back there they started to have music again I love music and they began to sing a song that I that that used to be a big hit in the early 60s called someone really loves you guess who I still remember the song so they're just plain like secular music about what this is what they did they said somebody really loved you guess who and then he goes on open up your heart and listen Inez he says that someone is Jesus so they seem to secure song yeah but the other Jesus to it and I and I kick back a night at school and I said man I've never been around a song that talks about Jesus says a song that I like and that's what introduced me but I've shared this really quickly I've shared this is my first experience at a Calvary Chapel and I tell pastors we need this in our churches yeah the very first thing that I felt in that room that I did not know what it was Ryan and I'd gone to church on and off all my life I didn't know what it was until I got saved and then I said so it was love it wasn't the worlds of we were hippies remember all the world needs is love yeah love is all we need but I never had felt it and when I walked in there and I sat in there I sense something different about these people I was accepted I didn't feel I had to be the most radical or entertaining or whatever I just was there and i sat there basking in something I didn't know what it was until three months later when I got saved and that's when the light went off and said what you were because I went to the Hollywood Palladium that's how I got saved there was a they just called Maranatha concert 4000 kids at the Palais Oh the holiday lady a lady yeah and they had this big oh there were about 4,000 kids sitting on the carpet yeah and Arthur blessed gave a message you remember Arthur carried the cross got carried across yeah Arthur gave a message and he said if you need Jesus stand to your feet and by that time I knew I needed Jesus I'd heard the gospel they'd been singing music and about him and I remember sitting there with all these hippies there were thousands hippies sitting there and I remember sitting there saying God I need you I know I need you and and and this is something the spirit said he said I said I'm uncomfortable and I heard the voice of the Lord in my heart say why and then I confessed and I said because I'm not like these people and the voice said what is different and my heart and I said I'm not a Christian that's the first time I ever admitted even to myself yeah that I wasn't a Christian I heard his voice why I said I'm not a Christian and then when Arthur blessed got up and shared he said if you need Christ and your feet I prayed again and I said God I said I need you I know I do but I'm shy I can't stand in front of anybody yeah but if somebody stood with me I would and Arthur blessed said and this God is my word Arthur blessed said perhaps you're afraid to stand by yourself but if someone stood with you would you and my friend George tapped me on the shoulder and said I'll stand with you no music and we just would sing or have them sing to us then Lonnie would come out and he'd open up his Bible and he'd stand there holding it and no notes or anything he'd just kind of quote from it and talk and then give an invitation and that's that was our general thing it was pretty basic just everybody very much like ours is right now we had this and we had that but yeah that was that's what we did you know wasn't a formal letter there were a bunch of people getting saved oh man all the time all the time every invitation kids were getting up and just flooding yeah so as more like people would get saved and then they'd invite their friends oh yeah oh yeah so it was like that kind of effect where a lot of people did it that doesn't happen these days people bring in their their phones they're not bringing Jesus to the people Ryan and you are but they're not there they're bringing their church to the people they're bringing their activities to the people who bring in the political persuasion to the people but not bringing Jesus to the people the people didn't come to politics they didn't come for just the prophecy they came for Jesus and that's what the key is as long as he saw he said if I be lifted up I will draw all minute to myself oh yes that's the key yep keep in the center of everything and that's the Jesus Movement all about Jesus everything Jesus music Jesus people you know Jesus the Jesus Movement it was Jesus it's that's we didn't get caught up with the calvary chapel movement yeah it was that Jesus move yes and Jesus before Calvary Chapel all right well when we come back from the break I want to talk more about this Jesus people movement listeners if you guys want to get all the past radio shows go to the App the whosoever's app download and we have like three years or more of past shows on every subject possible on there too if you want a book kill the noise tour in the high schools you could get all the information there we basically travel all around the world we go into the public school system junior High's high schools we've done some universities and colleges as well and we bring the gospel message we work with the Bible clubs that's our inroads to the schools through the Bible clubs so we could talk about whatever we want the LGBT they have their about they have their clubs the Satanist have their clubs the Christians have their clubs it's legal for all of us in the United States to have Bible clubs so if you don't have one in your church I would suggest start one because literally you 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the Gideons book a life product giveaways and free food how can you partner with us join our monthly Giving Program give a one-time donation or purchase our products john 3:16 says God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life I love what Jesus says the harvest is ripe the workers are feeling more alive with Ryan Ray's coming 180 days five sixty four sixty one seventy three or post your questions using the hashtag live Brian Reese on his Instagram Twitter or Facebook I think I speak for the entire administration when I say [Music] you now back to live with Ryan Ruiz right before the break you were talking about how a lot of churches are coming up with these programs for people and all this stuff and I think we need to just get back to the roots of Jesus and the attraction of the message is that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of the world and everyone knows even the schools I go to even back when you're you know in the seventies or whatever that were dirty sinners everyone's a sinner that is the attraction I think a lot of churches and people try to come up with like these um motivational messages that doesn't have anything about the cross anything about sins and these programs but the attraction and the power is that Jesus died on the cross for our sins this is what we need amen people get scared like oh you know I don't know if I'm gonna comb sinners or I don't want to talk about the blood on the cross that was shed that is the good news and if we could just get back to Jesus and that's I'm a cross guy you know I'm not like a amazing Bible teacher or anything but I am a cross guy and this when I go into schools as I'm preach and I tell them your guys are a bunch of dirty sinners and this is why Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins and they're like I want that you know and then the icing on top is the eternal life you get to live forever I mean that is the good news and what you guys were doing back in the hippie movement I mean I want you to talk more about this you were you were at Calvary Chapel when it first started or this was about 1970 you're in a chapel which only hold like 300 people yours three you said that they had rock and roll music for that time which was insane because that stuff was literally from the devil the Voodoo drums and the guitars and then yet Lonnie frisbee speaking so tell me let's let's talk about what was happening during this time because there was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit during this time so what from your perspective what were you seeing that was happening back then to where maybe the difference to where we're at now you know I think that with the preaching of the cross and what you're saying right now right now with the preaching of the cross and and the honest statement that we're lost and we are sinners and by nature were evil that wasn't hidden that wasn't something that was not politically correct that's what the church was supposed to be seen at that time so for me you know there is a natural offense as an offense that you take because the the preaching of the Cross is offensive it there's a certain cutting to it and and so but on the on the on the other hand I mean it's the only way you can be healed I mean a surgeon's scalpel is intended to cut but it removes from you that which is killing you so you can't expect to not experience a little pain when something evil is removed and I think when the when the cross is preached and we see ourselves for who we are and what we've done in our responsibility for the death of Christ when we actually see that through the conviction of the Holy Spirit it supposed to produce humility in you and and because I'm I am wrong you know we in the Catholic Church we would hit our chests at a certain point in the mass and we'd say Mia culpa mea culpa mea Maxima culpa in the Latin my fault my fault my most grievous fault that's what we were taught we were taught to remember that we were the ones Jesus died for so within the Catholic Church and that is something I still treasure and remember because there was a miracle but it was something I did see so when we got saved we nobody was was was hiding the fact I mean your friends will tell you what you are my friends were getting safe so my friends would say you're a doper man you're a drunk man you're rebellious you're a thief you're a liar yeah you know and they were right who is just gonna argue with a friend who knows I want to add something and I think it's also in the delivery the way we give it because if you're if you're telling someone because that the repentance of the Cross and that were sinners you see like when I say I'm loving lis to people I'm like dude you guys are all dirty sinners like me and that's what the good news is that he done the cross that's you can't and it's the delivery and because you love people it's wrong and you're telling a dude you're screwed up and I'm telling you because I love you because there's a way out of this amen you know Paul made the statement he said to HAP I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth you know and and yet he also said to the Ephesians we speak the truth in love in love and so that's the key you know so yeah your friends can be real with you because they're your friends that's what makes you friends right yeah so you know they love you at least the way friends love one another and all so that's what they were doing to me they would say you know Dave you know you you need God and me I'd rebel against it but that was the heart of it that was the heart of the Jesus Movement so we were not invited to church you know we were invited to come with them but it wasn't come to my church yeah it was coming and and here a man who told me all that I've ever done can this be Messiah like the woman at the well so they say come in here and that's what got me to go I thought I'd get him off my back if I showed up once I expected to get kicked out because I was barefoot in a little higher yeah the opposite was true I was welcomed in because sinners have a tendency of you know K with other sinners especially when they're freshly saved now Who am I to judge you man we both need the same God yeah and that was the attitude within the Jesus Movement that was prevalent so so Chuck Smith during that time he was doing like the Sunday mornings you guys had like these uh these young meetings on Monday nights with Lonnie frisbee and he he was like the Evangelist back then during that time for the hippies think he's a hippie that got saved that was reaching the hippies which was awesome because it was like the same tribe he identified with them they identified with them yeah and then there was a work of the Holy Spirit that was happening back then I mean there was a middle of a revival now did this revival because when you look at revival like oh yeah the revive they were in the middle of a revival but there's like birth pains to the revival how was that word it started like on the school campuses start in the streets and then the church started feeling and then did you see the presence of God increase with the signs and wonders and everything that were happening I mean all of that was natural it was it was that was very natural for us I mean you read your Bible and the Bible says these things take place and therefore they must you know if you believe the Bible you know well though the Bible says that God loves me he must have God the Bible says Jesus died for me he must have if Jesus says you can come to me and be saved that's true and that was how we looked at it you know our faith was innocent and fresh yeah and so why wouldn't I believe what the Bible said there wasn't this huge atheistic movement against the truth of scripture yeah I didn't grow up in a time when the Bible was mocked I didn't grow up in a time when when people would parade against it or it was forbidden in schools we didn't grow up in that in that era Ryan we were given permission to be believers and expected to be it's been said that the 50s the in the 50s Decatur the 50s more people went to hell than any other time in the history of the United States and possibly there can be some truth to that because they were overall good people you know stores were closed on Sundays people I grew up in this way there were no stores open on Sundays you stayed home you ate Sunday dinner you ate it after going to church that was very normal see so art the norm that we grew up with there were no swear words they were you didn't see anything on TV that was wrong I mean Ricky Ricardo and Lucy you know on the I Love Lucy they didn't even sleep in the same bed and yet they had little Ricky and we we know we could figure out how that happened because they didn't even sleep in the same bed I mean it was an entirely different time think about it was it was an entirely different types and say entirely I was sharing just last night that even in the 60s how Elvis Presley they would not show him on TV on The Ed Sullivan Show other than a waste no way because he is the shake right you know they told the Rolling Stone so you can't sing let's spend the night together they had to sing let's spend some time together all my doors could not sing you know he got mad I saw the video because he said he did what he wasn't supposed to do and he got Ben that was my generation Wow so because of that crazy because of that there were people like you and me who were growing up saying that's just not real that's not what's really going on yeah that wasn't authentic yeah it was it was a real sugar coated yeah and so we rebelled against the hypocrisy yeah you know in my school in my school are our school president Bob Vieira his name was and in my senior year stood up and he said Sierra high school which is where I went to in Whittier Sierra High School is the number one drug school with drug problems in the Whittier Union High School District and we started cheering all of us who used to do the drugs and they weren't that many but we started going yeah we're number one that was our attitude we were rebels about and we really were todays rebel that we have has a different feel to them today it's easier to be an Tifa it's easier to be angry shut up you can't we weren't quite like that we were we were mellow hippies were more mellow you'd say I don't believe this and I'd look at you and I'd say well health care yeah I don't care because we were apathetic in some things the thing that mattered was getting along it did whatever you do as long as it doesn't harm anybody else is cool just keep it to yourself and don't push your stuff on me that's how we were so we were looking I think as a generation it's been said we were a generation lost in space we were we were a group of people and it was huge that had an undercurrent of rejecting things as they are and we knew we needed something better well that's where Jesus came in right because we were looking for the true hippie you know and he he he wore sandals he had long hair he had a beard that's true he was the true hippie and so we discovered his message of love and it was a love of Christ but it was also a message of holiness and you don't need the dope anymore and you don't need the promiscuity anymore you don't need any of that those things were temporary and they destroy which you need is purity and that message started seeping into us and we saw the reason for many of my friends and I did and that's how that happened and so we said you know what I need I need to celebrate who God is and when it comes to the Holy Spirit and Chuck Chuck taught us and Lonny would do the same you know what just expect God to move Chuck Chuck Todd is especially it came to be true in my pastoral ministry where he where who would teach us and he did any example he said you know God can do anything anything that is within his will he does we just need to trust him to do things that are abundantly above all you could ask or even think and he taught us that and and that's the heart of the Calvary movement to this day we knew that when we took a drug forty minutes from now or so we're gonna start coming on we used to call it coming on I don't know what they call it now in in 40 minutes we're gonna come on to the drug where if I drop acid within 40 minutes I've digested it and I'm gonna start to loosen 18 if I I'm drinking it's gonna take a few beers but eventually I'm going to get yeah like it was just a cause and effect yeah so when I got saved I thought well if I take a drug and I get high and it was just real practical I thought if I ask God to move and answer a prayer he will why wouldn't he yeah so it was really an innocence that felt like faith yeah I think that's what we got to get back to yes yeah when I when I got saved I had that III had that childlike faith it still and like when I got saved I just remembered opening the Bible and I was just like okay the Bible says this so that could happen mm-hmm and then I just started rasz I read and I just be like oh cool so God Jesus prayed for these guys that they got healed I'm like cool so like God when I pray for people like I'm expecting people to get healed and I know obviously it's all according to his will you know as it is on earth as it is in heaven so it's whatever he wants to do but I I'm like okay you could cast demons out of people you could pray for people to see you know people to be healed of whatever's going on so that's how I've just kind of read that face value and as I started reading about the disciples and and you know Paul on these guys I was just like dude like what I see I want to live and I think that's I don't think I know that's where the relationship with God is so exciting because that's the difference again between religion and relationship when you actually read the Bible and you don't look at like a bunch of rules or regulations but it's more like you get inspired you're like I want to live this radical life and it's a journey and it's exciting and when God starts moving in your life you know like once you starts moving things around and doing things and answering prayers and you just want more and more and more it's like you've just become like you just want more of his presence and his relationship and and as you read the Bible it's his words any speaks to you and you just grow in and I would never turn back there's just no turning back for me a man now so I think that's what happened in the movement is you guys just started reading the Bible for face value and just expecting and and that was the birth of the movement today you know one of the things that I believe very strongly is that the the they say the historians who Chronicle things like this say that the Jesus Movement as it was lasted until around 1976 maybe 77 at the latest and they say when did it start I started really xt6 probably 60 well Chuck took over Costa Mesa around 65 or so Santa Ana Costa Mesa convert out but the hippies began to show up around 67 68 and that's when they started trickling in tensho by 1970 it was starting to really explodes yeah yeah at that time and then around 76 some church historians say that the that the movement had hit its peak and began well I'll tell you what I think happened there's a couple of things one is Pentecostal excess you know calvary chapels are we are charismatic churches we believe in the power though only swear it that God does healings and he moods gives prophecies and we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit we believe that but what happened is TBN and other stations began especially TBN began to broadcast right around that time and they were bringing in these excessive Pentecostals were saying nonsensical things I have to be real about that that's what they were doing they were bringing in nonsense they brought in the the false teachers the ones who are hyper Pentecostal and it's so instead of preaching the gospel yeah they began to give testimony of how how they have you know floated off of platforms and stuff like that yeah could you've seen in your lifetime where they started saying you know you know gold dust falling from the ground that all started in in the mid 70s and so that was one of the things where the excesses and getting away from the word and only going to testimony you know oh god this and then making outlandish claims about how important do you are and and all of that you know you never get sick and you're always going to be prosperous and all of that it'll created yeah and so the world that was really impressing you have to think of it like this right if you go back and I know you love music you go back and look at the music from the late 60s was Botox 69 70 yeah into the early 70s and you had secular artists who were singing Christian songs even songs that weren't Christian but sounded like it's true you know and true and people were coming out you know singing songs about Jesus or you had the Pointer Sisters and others who were actual classical you know gospel types that was real big and you can see a lot of songs with God in them a lot of them but then what happened is the XS came in and before you know what people are saying I don't want any part of that yeah this guys are weird yeah the second thing that I think brought a quenching to the movement was when politics began to infiltrate the church Jerry Falwell with his organization the silent majority began to want to capitalize on the movement oh yeah yeah and brought in the conservative because Christians are concerned right brought in that wing of the party for the republic's and began to push a lot of you guys have a voice you're the majority yes to speak out and what happened is many began to forget that the answer isn't a Republican or Democrat or independent president the answers Christ yes and the Jesus Movement began to be stifled because we thought we could vote righteousness in and we could begin to show our strength and who we are and we gave in to the the pride of this world you know I'll Satan Satan tried to offer that to Jesus he says all you need to do is bow down to me and I'll give you everything it's mine to give and the church began to and I'm not accusing Jerry of that Jerry was a godly man but I think that his voice was one that people began to twist away from the preaching of the gospel and remember the Jesus Movement was a was a hippie movement that was pure it really was that's what revival is it was very very pure but Jerry came from a Baptist background as a denominational Church it's what we didn't want part of we didn't want that we wanted the freedom of God under the Bible and things like that before you know it were being drawn in to a denominational way of doing church again and and it started quenching the Holy Spirit and even to this day we have people who are better at preaching Trump than they are Christ and that I think is a real problem because people will point at the the message and they don't see Jesus in it anymore and that Ryan that and I think what has happened is a lot of the young people who have growing up in that environment and they're saying there's got to be something tangible and real and so you and others like you but you especially trying to be honest with you you'll step into that and to that void and you say this is you're lonely you're hurt you depressed because you have God see that was the Jesus Movement that's how it worked it still does yeah yeah so okay so from that point that when did the church start expanding because you when do you start a church like how because you got everyone was in Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa right yeah yeah and then when did that from the beginning like then within a year or two there were guys like Mackintosh who stepped out you know others like him evangelist teacher yeah he would drive from Orange County to San Diego and he did that like for a year and he had a Bible study going because people needed that and so that it's like that and there were other fledgling churches that began to your dad in the mid 70s he had his church and we had a handful I mean there weren't that many because it was organic it wasn't something that chucks that we need we need to multiply to happen it was organic you know now I live in you know West Covina and I can't be driving to Orange County every week do we need something like that here that's how that was yeah you know they went to Rio Grande they they went to Redlands and with Don McClure another so there were guys who were saying we need this where we're at and it was very very organic that's how that worked so now you're in a Capra Chapel Chino Valley what um what's God doing with you now so we have like five minutes left what's so what's what's going on your headweight what are you what are you praying for what do you want to see happen well I'm getting to the age where I have to be to think that there may be somebody who's gonna step in and take over and move on you know I told Pastor Chuck one day I said you know Chuck you've taught me a lot of good things but one thing you never taught me was how to step out of ministry he never did you know he was preparing his message that he was still going to give when he died I know he was busy at he kept his hand to that plow and he kept on but I told him I said you've taught me a lot of good things but you never taught me how to step out and when to do that yeah and so I'm in that process right now of asking the Lord at what point do you have me stepping out of my pastoral role so I can continue with the counsel duties that I have in the Calvary Chapel council yeah because I want to be free to go and minister to other pastors and yeah you have a lot of ways like that for younger guys too lot of experience that I'd like to share with young guys and stuff definitely so that's that's kind of where I'm at right now right I'm thinking what what is the Lord's timeline on me who would be the person that could step in my pulpit one day take over the church and move it on into the future until Christ comes that's one thing a second thing is we're spending time right now developing our men's ministry because I really believe that the church needs male leadership you know and there's so much confusion right now concerning the role of women in the church and all of that I'm concentrating on men's ministry we're going to have immense campus minutes we're gonna quit calling it we're calling it a campus retreat and you're gonna have it in November the first in a second you know Tony Clark's going to be the West Bentley it's going to be there a guy named rocky Seto is going to be there I'm going to teach on a Friday so it's a Friday and a Saturday so we're trying to reach them in and and and develop male leadership because I believe that the feminist movement to be honest with you as emasculated a lot of men they're afraid to lead they're afraid they don't know how to you know and and I think that we've got a lot of women who think they're pastors today who are not the Bible doesn't teach that a woman can be but they're arguing that they can because I think that's a fruit of feminism right now we can do anything a man can do yeah that kind of thing and they're getting away from the Bible so I'm concentrating right now on on racing up men leaders I'm mentoring young men every two weeks after our final service on Sunday a meeting with a group of 20 to 30 guys or more for an hour and a half answering questions and ministering to them to mentor them for the future we're just keeping busy you know just trying to reach out continuing to reach out that's amazing you know there's a there's a statistic from Barna Barna Group he said that we're living in the fatherless generation yes just in California 50% of the students and schools come from broken homes 50% yes and their father is like well if they're coming from a broken home let's just face the facts the father is somewhere or the mother somewhere my majority is the father's leaving and then the moms working full-time to provide for the families right so the kids just kidding it has no one to mentor he's just getting raised off social media in the streets and and the neighborhood basically it's right so the men have to we have to step it up and show what it means to lead because again you have this whole feminist movement everything else that's going on in social media just completely derail een what a man is supposed to do yeah men don't know what to do they don't know I've told my church I can't teach you macho 101 classes yeah you got to learn from Scripture and you need to have examples and if you don't have a dad at home that can be that example you're you're really up yeah you're gonna have a difficulty you've really been making men like sissies it's pretty interesting yeah well thank you for being on the show it was awesome see we'll do it again I'd love to talk about some other awesome things that are happening all right listeners tune in get the whosoever's app download it everything's for free our high schools are on there are two or dates right now we're going to Colombia Chile where else where oh I sling I come to you know how long it took me to get in contact with Iceland you know because basically every Church I have a couple minutes left every church on Iceland is government so when you're born you're just identified into a church and the government pays for the churches so they got these amazing churches but literally people are just going to be coming pre because it's a good-paying job mm-hmm so there's like god is dead there it's the most godless country in the world so I finally made contact with the church that actually believes in Genesis and revelations and we are proc we're in the process of going there to do some serious help 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