Pastor Benny Ho - Mentoring Made Simple (Part 1)

everyone thank you for us appreciate diversity he's gone what a beautiful somebody and then they all who is faithful but I think it's what well how's everybody thank you very much well thank you for the privilege of coming to share with you today about one of my favorite topics preparing the next generation so I want to share my personal journey with you so which is empowered me let me pray father thank you that there are so many that come before us they've really showed us what it means to live a life of faithfulness before you and today our modeling we are where we are today and none of us came here on our own steam but there's so many who have helped us so many were guided us and so many were mentored us to bring us to where we all are today and so I invite you about Jesus to come and impart to us a mentoring spirit not thank you that you are the master mentor and to your life you have raised men who who have caused your church to explode all over the world and Lord Jesus I pray today that you at ninety seven strengthen means and we deliver your word clarity with simplicity but also authority and so as to know how to come be our teacher as we journey true stay in Jesus name everybody say Amen I show you my personal journey why I became so convicted that I think mentoring is the way to go I love teaching it many of you know that I believe I caught your teacher about your price but I also honestly tell you there is no greater joy for me than to be able to take a young man take a young lady and you Paulie unwind it to them and then you watch them blossom that to me brings the greatest joy how they're coming to this conviction is because some time in 1991 I was doing my own personal type personal reading before the Lord and I read a passage in 2nd Timothy chapter 4 verse 6 to 8 which you'll find in your notes this is one of Paul's last letters that were written from prison so he was really nearly the end of a very fruitful ministry and then he wrote this was in 2nd Timothy 4 verse 64 I'm already pulled out like a drink offering and the time has come for my departure I have fought the good fight I have finished the race and I've kept the faith now that is in store for me the crown of righteousness which the Lord the righteous judge will award to me on a day but not only to me but also to all her longed for his appearing those beautiful words in them when Paul says I'm already poured out like a drink offering and the time has come for my departure I fought the good fight had kept the faith finish the race and now he's ready to go and meet his maker and remember that morning reading this verse this verse and I asked myself why is it that the Apostle Paul is so sure that he has really finished his race he has fortified you you know they kept the faith and then he has done what he needed to do why is he so confident that he is now ready to go and stand before his maker and ask myself that morning you know am I ready to do that am I ready to say that I have I'm ready go and meet God now how many people to ask you today how many of you say you are ready you've done everything you you believe I'll try to do your bit go and meet God any of you ready no clapping that's exactly how I view it and that morning and honestly are the same I am not sure I'm not sure I did not say that and then I thought why is it that the Apostle Paul is social and those were and then the God spoke to me it's one of those rare moments where I hear a voice outside of myself some people call it the audible voice of God and obviously each other I don't have that very often I think in my whole the 40 years as a Christian only twice and this is one of those instances I had a voice outside of myself and I remember the Holy Spirit say when he looked behind him just those few words look behind him and instantly I realized why Paul was able to say that because at that point in his ministry if I were to look behind him you know what he read what he would have seen he would have seen Timothy he was in Philemon he would have seen Titus who has seen a whole string of people who are carrying the thought after him that's why he said I have done what I needed to do I kept my faith and run my race and I'm ready to go and meet my maker and at that point I asked I said what about me at that point when I look behind me I see nobody there's a little bitty following behind because at that point I was actually I didn't run ministers preaching going from church to church James the cans I was just doing an itinerant what no my ministry is very interesting very exciting preaching of judges conferences the conferences and loss of with but no death now I always say but their ministry and their point was six feet wide six inch deep there's a lot of width but not much death and it was glamorous but it lacks long-term impact and I remember saying a lot at that point lord if this is really your speaking to me then let me know this is what you want me to into to begin to produce and reproduce the Timothy's and find him into the practices then God would you help me this is I'm not good then I said not let me let me kind of you let me know whether this is from you or not and here's what's going to happen I said God I'm not going to approach anyone but if this is from you you send them to me an interesting lead over the next three three months as whenever I go to preach after the session some young fellow will come up to me and say have any can you help me in this season of my life and as a result of that there were a group of chav young people they were gathered together from different churches and we form our first mentoring group and I never forget that was the starting point and it started me on this adventure of mentoring this adventure disciple-making and ever since then Italian honestly I didn't think that this ministry of growing another person that's how I came into this and I tell you out of the original group of job that they met together several has gone on to become pastors and today in ministry or many others are just faithfully serving the Lord in leadership positions in different different churches and a debt is the impact of mentoring and disciple baking and I became convinced this is what we need in the body of Christ what do you think I think that's critical Dawson Hoffman or the founder to navigate this once made his statement he said it take 20 minutes to a couple of hours to leave a soul to Christ but it takes six months to a couple of years to bring someone to spiritual maturity that's true it's very easy just lead someone to Christ but it takes time to actually bring them to spiritual maturity and this ongoing process of bringing someone to spirituality is what we call the sacristy of injury if you like so I'm going to talk to you a little bit about this after that I'm going to you plenty of time just ask anything you want because in the short time that we have can't cover everything but you can ask anything you want and then we go from there you said okay alright so if you ask me what is mentoring I'll put it this way then paint a picture for you imagine if you can't I got a gold break and a leg break okay then I take these two pieces of wood or bricks and I wrap them together over platonic right and after a while and a cursory glance nothing has changed a gold brick is still go break a leg break is still essentially a library but if you look carefully on the gold print there'll be a little bit of leg on a leg break a little bit ago that in essence is what mentoring is all about it's taking two persons and then you wrap them together over a period of time and after a while a little bit of me rubs off on you right a little bit of you who are up off of me the Bible puts it this way in proverbs 27:17 as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another so in a mansion relationship this has been happening it's two persons being wrapped together over a period of time and after the law we've not sought of each other you've looked at some of the churches today where there's mentoring going on you notice there's a rubbing off between the pastor and his disassociation order and after a while sometimes they sound like each other sometimes even preach each other so they even look at each other because there's a lot of time spent together I think for example I always think of you if you guys come to my mind when I think about this you think about you look at the guys at cabinet right it fits exactly and I have no time maybe I can almost predict what you're gonna do Nate no come on they tell you a joke laughter they tell the don't and it going to the 10th position it's it's the ended and some even exactly so like them you'll be the cornerstone pass a young champion he's got a right-hand man now I think it's a big leap young preachers exactly like think it's crazy so close your eyes you imagine the same thing so that's the power of disciplining two people together Robin team and the vessel rubbing off it's amazing so I'm gonna give you now to working definition see where it is we just working definitions of what mentoring is one is Stanley in Clinton as a beautiful definition it goes like this and I'd like you to underline the key words that you find there okay okay let's meet this together to me mentoring is the relation experience in which one man or one person empowers another by sharing god-given resources now put up for me one of the key words in that's right is a relational experience okay that's what mentoring is a relation experience here what else empowers there must be empowering that goes on so it's a result of me spending time with you you so anytime we mean we both walk away feeling stronger if you more empowered okay what else sharing right sharing what god-given resources so that's what it's all about then I give you another one in a kind of rope so that I can have a picture by shabbily this all together mentoring is an intentional relationship where a mentor identifies and facilitates the work of God in the life of a mentee to the end of growing him or her in spirituality character attitudes and skills now put us on the QSF intentional okay I believe that for really good mentoring relationships to happen it's got to be intentional metric doesn't just happen by chance later I'll show you some things that have us to clarify this but I think for the four metric to be Eddie's best it has to be intentional I'm committed to you you are committed to me that will make it work what else you see them that's right our role is to identify and to facilitate the work of God now I don't believe that it is the job of the menthol to go and work in a life of the mentally but it is is our job is actually to discern what is God doing in our Middle East life okay and then we facilitated we identify it sometimes God is working in people's life and they don't even know it it takes another person we perspective to look in and say hey do you know God is doing this in your life they're going to stop and they don't understand and sometimes they get totally disillusioned with it but actually God is working and it's our job as mentors to identify and then to facilitate the work of God there is another so I'm you know you and I are not the magic workers it's God who is doing the work in there is that ok with you and once you realize this thing takes the burden off ourselves I'm not trying to do anything do it to another person but I'm there to observe what is God doing in your life ok so we are identified first in welcome what else do you see growing ok in the edges were growing another person in those different areas spirituality in character in excuse as well as in skills so that is our role as mentors okay now not gonna paint your picture biblically know how the Apostle Paul does it so we go to 1st Thessalonians Testament 1 verse 4 the verse 6 so elitism for we know brothers loved by God that he has chosen you because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also the power with the holy spirit and with deep conviction do you know how we lived among you for your city and you became imitators of us and of the Lord it's - severe suffering you welcomed the message with a joy given by the Holy Spirit and so you became a model to all the believers in Macedonia and ok and here the Apostle Paul outlines how the gospel first came to the church in Thessalonica and you know this what he says here the gospel came to the Thessalonians in three ways number one in words okay in word lets Proclamation evangelism came in the gospel need to be proclaimed now this is where the gospel need to come to us in words have brought understanding they notice what he says here our gospel came to you not simply with words between sin he did come to them it was right how can be here and then someone preaches so the gospel came to the Thessalonians to the proclamation of the gospel - true of the words right here's number two it also came to them in science okay nobody were number two in science that's powering venge ilysm okay this is where the encounters can be Paul sees the gospel came to you with power the Holy Spirit bringing the commissioned so the Thessalonians were not just convinced in your head they were converted in the house okay there's power evangelism okay no this one how was it our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power with the Holy Spirit and with deep convictions so that's power invention is a proclamation power and then here's the third one it comes to you also with deeds there's presents evangelism then Paul goes on to say you know how we lift among you for your sake so poverty not just preach the gospel and then show some signs and wonders and then he walks off no he stayed on with them for what is so that he made disciple thing so that he may mentor them okay and he first has alluded to a yeah there half of the Apostle Paul this is the heart of rhetoric listen to what it says here we love you so much that we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well because you have become so dear to us can you hear the defection of the Apostle Paul these words I love this this verse you know we love you so much that we were do you like that to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives and smell because it becomes so dear to us so really mentoring is all about that relational experience of someone loving another person living out of that up he says how did that love he journeys with a person why because they are so dear to him that is beautiful and the way that Paul did this was as a gentle mother and encouraging father amongst them the methodology he used but the metaphor he paid for us is there of a gentle my dad in an encouraging father take a look at chapter 2 verse 7 first let's not in 2:7 as apostles of Christ Paul says we could have been a bludgeon to you but we were gentle among you like a mother caring for us for her little children so this is fearing of it there are times when inventory we had to be like a mother nurturing you know caring loving but there are also times when first Estonian 111 the job talks about being like a father okay so to be stronger so take a look at this one for you know who that we dealt with each of you as a father use or children encouraging comforting and urging or exalting you to live lives worthy of God who calls you into his kingdom and glory so this part is where the metaphor changes from a mother to her father a mother is caring loving but the father exhausts us challenges pushed us in the right direction live lives they are worthy of his kingdom glory are you getting the picture presence evangelism staying there being like a mother being like a father in nurturing someone to us majority what is the end result of this visual factory power kasi for us he first has loaded one verse six and seven kiss enemies up you became imitators of us and of the Lord and in spite of severe suffering you welcomed the message with a joy given by the Holy Spirit and so you became a model for all the believers in Macedonia and okay so you notice something after the series of spending time with them like a mother like a father in the end what happened from imitators they became models then right from imitators became owners from being men top they became mentors to others so listen carefully to me that's the end goal of every mentoring relationship I believe that's the end goal of every mentoring relationship our ultimate goal is not just to produce another disciple ultimate goal is not just to produce another mentee but our goal is to produce another mentor our goal is not just to produce another disciple our goal is to produce another disciple maker and then it can be passed on is that okay so you bear this in mind as you begin your just to mentor others our goal is ultimately to mentor those who could in turn meet others and then the ball will be possible it's true transition because okay you will be so fun hey everybody all right okay so Sneha just capture this no now we get out in a practical thing sir okay how do I some practical things about pitching first of all let me debunk a Miss about my breakfast sometimes you went wrong ideas about me get rid of something the first one is this I can only have one mentor in my life that is not true the truth is I think we have multiple mentors in our life hope you agree I think we have multiple personally are very privileged to have different ones come along in different seasons of my life I was blessed to have dr. John Kellogg from price for the nation coming he is the one who taught me and imparted to me and love for preaching and teaching I used to work in an organization where he he was part of and they would invite him to come to Asia to teach in this open was a master illustration he is a master at telling stories and my job carry his back and so I just can't reach man in nothing to follow him around it serve him but through the time of just watching him preach and teach and develop a desire to be a teacher the world and true him I learned how to to preach and actually I didn't actually taught me in the beginning but I would just watched him and I'd learned so much and then they they keep our costs on common ethics of preaching and then discovered EHT I'm forming all the principles already without even realizing it because he was modeling it for me so I was messing up dr. Talbot on came at a point in my life and then a we're at the fella who is after today's doing touching me dr. Torres past on a banana third cake and he was the one who gave me a hot over we should just bible college teacher ecology come home he says and here's the one who first taught me the concept of unreached people's I am so indebted to him for being an apostolic father into my life then I had a guy cut like him that cable oh he passed away a few years ago as well he's an American guy who came to the Singapore I'll tell you a story later on and here's the one who gave me a passion for basic de cycling he taught me that the only way to do responsible event in the zone is when you lead someone to Christ and then you give him the basics of the Christian faith and he taught me well in that area so today whichever church I mean which other church are pastoring I always make sure that the basics of the Christian faith is being given to other comforts and your conference because he gave me that so glad he's on the navigate the city taught me that and the every child came along later on my journey and here's the one who taught me how to make tall passes how to deal with in a life issues etc and thank God for for me cos because they make a difference in your life general studies have actually shown that most leaders have about six to eight mentors in an iframe and they will cover different seasons and then they will come and they'll go some of them last longer some of them are just shot them but generally speaking most leaders have about six to eight Mentors now reflect on your journey is that true can you think of a few there's something to think about but mostly this seems six to eight okay so that's one number two second mean is this men cos must be handy 60 years old not true even though there are certain experiences that comes in age that's true however I think it is possible there someone younger than others the Mentors depending on the mentoring issues what the vegie issues are for example if I'm the what if I want to learn about social media I'm not going to go to lv4 what I want you to look for a gangbang somewhere in those who is who is well-versed in social media is actual and they can give us we can teach us things that we don't nothing about the Bellini is to be have a lot teachers as much as we can think that they have so the weakness we have a lot to teach us as well the creativity their ability to think outside the box the innovation that can come from there I love gelling with younger people because they taught me a lot see and so it depends if I if I want to be mentored in worship I could actually find younger worship leader and that person can be taught me why not there are new practices coming up in the whole school we may not even realize see so there are many things we can learn even from younger people so all depends on the mentoring issue okay what is it that you want to learn from if I want to learn how to raise great children I better go find a home and of course right so it all depends not necessarily versus 60 years old okay since his mid number treat my mentor is always right not true i SAT with different people I find that make us need not be perfect men fast don't need to have all the answers all of the time some of the luminaries of the Christian faith a great powerful man of God they also have clay feet and we need to recognize them Martin Luther the great founder Reformation we here saw him he was depression fraud he had he had bad temper so John Wesley never had a really good marriage some party struck over some of these things but they are living their regional Christian faith but yet God used them so I think mentors need not be always right you agree to give room for this Kista before the mentoring relationship must be lifelong not quite actually well there's some mentoring relationships last a long time but there are also those who not only for season so they can come and they can go different seasons got sent different people into our life so they know all that's another lifetime now some last very long I have some relationships that last very long we may not even see each other all the time but the moment we meet up we can pick up where we left off that's because the relationship is already there okay number five mentoring is all about accountability now I know I like to use this with accountability but the key focus I found in mentoring it's not just accountability personal reasons but accountability we think of things like checking controlling inspecting but I think mentoring is more about supporting encouraging empowering say and although the element of accountability definitely have to come in the main post role is primarily there of helping to develop the potential that is in the battery rather than to just look at all the problems in his life see a counselor would look at the problems but a mentor would look at a potential and how desires help the other person to develop and sell to the fullest potential are you with me on this yeah so mentoring is a slightly different focus so we need to differentiate between the role of the mentor and that of the job supervisor if you got a job supervisor you must always look at all the problems and correct them you know toe the line when it comes to certain things postures for example here's a staff team right so he plays a double role in that sense first we talk to them but at the same time it's also job supervisor so as a job supervisor I need to tell you how the game do it properly but as a mentor I want to help you develop your fullest potential see so we differentiate the growth of the row between the two rows okay so this just helped us to understand it I find it as a mentor by the key question I want to ask is what are your priorities other things that you want to grow in and then how can I help you so those are good questions okay here's number six sometimes before the met Tori will happen naturally you will just happen well I found that managing relationships at your past always cover the element of intentionality you've got to be intentional now magic can happen from a distance through modeling that's true you watch other people and then you learn and you grow yourself through to watching that's possible but mentioned at its best is always intentional if you want to help people develop their fullest potential you cannot do it without intentionality modeling yes but not mentoring ad space developing people to their fullest potential I got to get to know you I got to know I got to know what makes you think I got to know what are your copying your give things a destiny and then I can help you develop your fullest potential how do you do that we're not spending time together it has to be intentional okay later on I'll draw your spectrum and then you'll be able to see this okay are you with me so far okay number seven sometimes people say everyone should be a mentor yes I know everyone should be a mentor when I respond to that would be yes I know the sense that everyone can mentor to an extent you can always bring people to where you are but not everyone should everyone can but not everyone should let me explain to you the reason why you see we all know that there are different seasons life undergoing today at different seasons in life the first season in some season people are struggling you agree yes season saying I'm not doing well with her we can't even keep our head above water sinking we're struggling then they are seasons when we are not struggling but we are just surviving they're surviving there is just manage to keep your head above water okay not much to give away but to ask surviving and then there are some seasons when we are stabilizing now you are stable that means I'm above water and I have some spare okay that's good you're in a stable season of your life then there are some seasons when we are actually succeeding you're actually doing well right so yeah at this stage you have plenty of spare you're doing well okay then there are some seasons when you reach a place of significance what a significance means it means that you come to this place where you are where the ministry is no longer what you do the ministry is who you are you reach a place of personhood okay when you reach this place the ministry is no longer what you do the ministry is who you are okay for example if I want to ask you think leadership who comes your way thanks leadership who comes to your mind very go ahead Oh what would you think vinegar okay his manager - who else lky okay why not why not why sometimes you think of people like John picture all right I think of people like Bill Hybels these are the leadership gurus of our time know what why do they come to your mind is because leadership is no longer what they do leadership is who they are they are mr. leadership if I further ask you to think evangelism who comes there man Hritik rahim right everybody think like that why because it's leadership is no longer what they do is who they are it's a very personification to this chip then you reach a place of significance usually there's about 60 years old then you reach their place of significance okay so even different seasons of life this what happened in seasons when you're struggling and surviving if you do any mentoring at all it should be incidental that means oh because there's nobody else are you know it comes along your path you should not be looking intentionally trying to mentor people because in this is an you should be mentored more like being a mentor agree now there are some seasons you are stabilizing they're succeeding then we should do mentoring intentionally you should look for people because we are in the season where we could do that look for people that you can pawn your life you do okay but we have reached a place of significance then we should do mentoring in conventionally that means by this stage right you would have been dead and dead and you went out of your life the mentor outdoor experience you agree then you should do it if anything you should give all of yourself to this you got at this stage in life for yourself the next generation that's what we should be looking for so different seasons that you decide if you no this is true up to a certain extent no when you become a leader in the church that's a different story okay you reached a point of no return and you become a leader in the chest like you are a cell either like it or not there are seasons when even as a cell to be that I've got to difficult times in my life am i right but even in those season you still have to reach out you still have because that's your role is it so you're gonna keep that in mind so that you have perspective but in the early stages of growing up I would encourage all the new believers don't need to rush into this you should be been taught rather than trying to paint artists take time to grow and then when you reach seasons when you're grown you become more stable and succeeding then I think you should in one page the inventory artists is that okay so do can should everyone be aware top yes I know we everyone can mentor but not everyone should mentor so depending on the seasons of your life so that's how I would see this okay nobody another common means that people think teaching and mentoring is the same thing I think I think of it this way thank you I think teaching may be a part of mentoring but mentoring is not all about teaching in the course of mentoring and joining people you won't actually have to teach but teaching is my mention is not all about teaching okay I give you a little chart in your notes they just help us contrast two contrasting teaching versus mentoring teaching is very classroom style like what we're doing here today is teaching and trying to teach you what I understand about matching right so it's classroom stuff but battery is coaching okay it's more coming alongside you and helping you and really continue teaching is of course teaching base but mentoring is modeling phase so you're gonna watch me and then you that way teaching is very one way where didactic are one way but men coloring is two ways in the matrix situation let's say I take Fuji aside and then we had intervention relationship here I'll be talking to him he'll be talking back to me it's two ways but it teaching is one way I know you take notes and somebody say you know it's like I transfer everything in my head - you're not paper weed none of it actually going to go this you re it can be it can be very you know just one way in terms of retention rate is a lot of 1c so in teaching is very mysterious and I got a set of activation trying to transfer to you but in mentoring is very person-centered I never go to a mentoring session are millisecond notes I go there just one thing to scratch where you are itching I'm trying to find out where are you in your journey how can I help you along so rather than do a whole set of stuff to pass on to you I would rather sit with you and scratch on your team so it's not material centered by this person Center in teaching it can be Academy by a mentoring it smaller a transition in teaching is can be theoretical but in mentoring is very experiential what is passive right now you're quite passive right are you engaged I hope you are but it can be passive but if mentoring is very practical engage fully teaching is lower retention mentoring is much higher retention if at the end of this session if you can remember 10% of what I said I've done a great job really but if mentoring that you should remember what you say for a long time because it's very up close and personal okay teaching is cognitive in a sense it educates your mind but mentoring is very effective it affects of values effexor hot so if you look at the two which do you think is more powerful making many times a whole lot more powerful in teaching but we still need teaching the other same Jesus still give is someone on the mouth even though he's spent time with each other so there is a need for teaching so that we can have knowledge but we also need mentoring so that the knowledge can drop in a hot from the heat today is that ok so we just get there those perspectives are in place okay out at this point everybody all right yes yes teaching is imparting knowledge but mentor is actually changing values in the end mentoring is meant to change the values so if there's not value change that took place a means of mentoring is hasn't fully achieved its own purpose okay yeah okay so far okay now I moved you to the next thing we look at different types of ventas all right let's take a look at one of the most helpful things almost half full books are brand of NJ is a book written by Stanley in Clinton is a netbook I think that price printed a is a fact that the making of a man of God oh no that book is entitled connecting connecting if you if you got a chance can pick up a book but it was helpful thing in that book is a spectrum that alters gave us and he talked about how many toes are different kinds of menthols he broke it up into three major categories if I can quickly joy for you here the first category he calls it intensive when tossed okay the second category is called vocational plaintiffs then the third one is passive lintels under each category he has three different persons the first guy and then intensive he has the first guy he's called a decide plan okay the focus of the disciple is on all the basics of the Christian faith now he's the guy who comes in at the time when you first come to Christ make it lays for you all the basics of the Christian faith so that's the disciple and the second guy is called a spiritual director he calls them actually call it a spiritual kind but now this new agent or that I change it an octave so it's Richard director okay so his role is actually to focus on insights he's the person that you will go to if you need wisdom in a cross flow of your life you don't know whether to go that all right and then you go and seek the counsel of someone like that you can talk to someone and is he give you a perspective it gives you insight help you to make critical decisions of your life okay then the third guy is called the coach now his focus is more on skills say for example I want to grow in the area of prayer that I need to go look for someone who is a powerful prayer warrior maybe are good a Viking person or something that I and say would you mentor me in this area and then she will impart to you most skills okay Ivana grow in it worship we're going to form good worship leader and then the person calls me in how to deliver she pattern it's all focus on skills that make sense okay and we have the next guy under the occasional mentor we have a guy called the teacher you know in a way I'm playing a role of a teacher man talk to you today that okay so the focus of the teacher is more on knowledge in the next guy in occasional side is also comes hey the counselor know a counselor is someone that you would go to when you need advice so he focus on them the counselor he said occasional men talk okay not intensive mental maybe have one more guy and then occasional sigh and he is called a sponsor the sponsor is someone who focus on your development now a sponsor is someone who who comes into open doors for you he recognizes it you are say for example if if someone comes to me and I know that person has a give of teaching for example then the next time someone invite me to go and teach and I find out I cannot do it I can fulfil that appointment what I can do is can I recommend you so and so because I believe he is give up teaching so what am i doing I am open a door for him to enter into his destiny how many of you agree we need sponsors in our life none of us get to where we are on our own Steve you know somebody open doors for us somebody give us an exam he said John Maxwell see if you see a top this on top of a table you know that he's got some help getting there because this cannot climb mahogany muscle if that evil see all of us get to where we are today not by chance because somebody give us an example we all have sponsors in a ministry okay no this guy's all intensive is guys occasional they become to the passive Mentors now we impassive mentors because in another Pesavento there are three one is present what is past and one is contemporary okay no contemporary model you have a historical model or a past guy and then the guy in here divine contact now let me explain to you who put these guys up the contemporary model is someone who is still alive okay say for example you look at say you look at right up on K and then you say wow that's how I should preach you know that's that's who I want to become that's what I wanna be when I grow up and then what was he doing you are learning from him true model II know if they are passive we call it passive when does why because they are not trying to mentor you you know I have monkey man that's right i banking on you person huh and he start trying to mentor you but you are watching him from the distance and then you're learning and as a result you grow he so he's a contemporary when Todd from a distance basically mentoring you and we have passed past means they are dating God okay say for example and Sophia will read the books of aw Tozer guess what my total is to mentoring you to his writing city that doesn't know you of course not but he's passively been touring you to his writing so he said he's a historical went on then you have divine contact if I context are people who God allow you to your path the cross sovereignty for example prophet come to town lay hands on you and call for something and that change and shape your life said okay so he's a divine contact apostolic person coming and just begin to speak a preacher into your life and after that your life changed so he is God's sovereign divine contact for you now he need not always be so dramatic even someone who is in your cell group that you are placing in a leadership group and in that leadership group you affect one another those are divine thanks that God is given to you again then you watch each other you grow together the thirdly become divine context for you does that make sense okay so this guy's our vocational we call him occasional we got it pass it because they're not trying to mentor you but you are just modeling now these are occasional mentors teachers counselors and sponsors down kitchner because it's not every day the guy in a class like this right if not then your professional student so it's just Oh Krishna okay not every day you go and see a counselor right not in your seriously trouble every day see culture and it's not every day we didn't open door so these are occasional they come and they go that's okay but intensive mentors are different because they need to give you any time to put in the basics need time to get inside and skills they said you come intensive now in the light of this whole spectrum of mentors can I ask you do you have mentors in your life how many of you have mentors in your life that actually everybody have a look is it true everybody have been taught but the problem is is the church is not lacking of love this but we are lacking in one particular category which chemically do the addition out of all these the hardest funny or the intensive Mentos that's what we need to restore it to the church we need to restore intensive mental we have no lack of teachers plenty no leg of people willing to do some sleep no think of people when to open those for you what we're really lacking is here thanks you've met our second let me ask you one more question all the water intensive mentors which one do you think is the hardest to fight the disciple the speech a director or a coach okay let's do a survey here how many of you think the disciple er is a hardest fight okay how many of you find spiritual time frigate directors have to find more hands now how many think coach is satified okay Paulo number in this room might respond to you would be dis no I think your answer is a reflection of what you need what do you think because all of you are lead this year because I really this year you all are looking for splitted I like this because that's what that's what you're really looking for unique perspective wisdom you know and things like that's what you're looking for it's a reflection of really our deeper at this point if you go down the line in your hostel I think many of them was give you different answers so you know it all depends on where young Issa but having said that now first of all everybody cleared this and I think once you see in this totality you'll find that every one of us have already been recipients of mentoring but it's just that we are linking this and we the church is lacking this if we need to restore this now out of this tree even though most of you would think that you're looking for speech at a dozen coaches but can ice put a spotlight this morning this morning before we treat we finish this to a session can I put a spotlight on this first guy because I think he's the most important person in this whole exercise and I want to bring you back to the basics I think that this cycler is one of the most important person in the home and following spectrum the reason is simply because if this guy don't do his job the recipe we'll have a hard time doing ours can I say it again if this guy don't do this job the rest of us who have a hard time doing ours you can you can teach all you want but if the guy is not properly deciphered and he don't have the basics in place nothing is going to teach how many people have said to thousands of servants and hundreds of seminars and they still no life changed completely agree it's because we are we fundamentally we gotta come back to this and so I want to take a few moments this money just talked to us about this we need to restore this that's the number one priority is that okay I wanna bring a focus now on the dis cyclop okay here's my experience and it come to this area there are two key assumptions I make and think that in your notes can do join me in reading the first one two key assumptions the moment is this we cannot effectively mentor those who are not properly deciphered because change comes from the binding relationship with Christ rather than the disciple how many of you agree you know I have found it we cannot effectively meant all the key words effectively I know we can mentor anybody but we cannot effectively mentor them if they are not properly deciphered if there are if they are properly designed but then there is a good chance they got matching over let me let me show you what I mean by this okay it's actually all based on +5 John 15:5 the scripture says Jesus said I am the vine and you are the branches if you abide with me what remains in you you will bear forth much fruit all right and this rule Remini okay so well jesus said I'm the vine in the other branches and you can bear fruit as a result mentorian focus on food Mary okay all these guys here they are trying to bear fruit in your life speak into your life so that you can bear fruit but how many of you know there are clients on but the truth is people don't change because the men don't tell them to change people change because the vent was able to point things out for them but they had to go back to the vine which is their power for change you see what is the power the change is not because they thought tell me the change I can eat eat but it's because he goes back to the vine that's why he find the power to change so can you imagine if this part is disconnected okay me if this part is disconnected and you can tell him all you want and if you will say things like you know brother since you become a Christian ready you shouldn't be beating up your wife is it yes as I know so I say I'll try they can try it thank your film thank you come by with me and you talk to even get anything yes my cell try so you try you fail you try you fail you try and you feel after a while it is Christianity doesn't work it doesn't work but actually the real problem is not trying to bear fruit real problem is here he's disconnected from the fine nothing happens I am the vine you are the branches unless and when you abide in me and my world leads in you then you can perform much room so the action is actually not here the action is here the action is in their body now whose job is it to ensure their this is happening whose job is then he said decide mr. this what he comes easy to do to make sure that you have a personal relationship because you know how to talk to God and you know how to read the Bible for yourself right those are all the basics of the Christian faith navigate the south but it's so important you don't have that you can try all you want to do all the rest and you will have a hard time doing it if we don't if this kind of do his job guess what what happened you can teach all you want do you are not see life change if this guy is not doing his job you have a lot of counseling to do a lot of counseling to do because he thought things would not be happening no and this guy will do is chop the rest of us have a hard time doing ours so I want to challenge you go back to this the starting point of a venturi culture is here get the basics in place are you ok alright here's the second assumption is a very important one er shall we leave this one those who have not been to the process of being disciple will have difficulties taking others to it what do you think it's not that no one I think another percentage of the basics but if I haven't beat that process myself you have a hard time thinking others actually ok let me let me put it this way you know what let this I discovered this because when I was in the army it is untrue when I was in the army the last six months of Miami state and national service was I became a swimming instructor ok I know you look at me cannot believe very straight the last six months I will make me a severe instructor the reason is simply because I have a you know their lives because I and some of they say they say that okay make us mean stuff so that's what happened so I teach swimming at the Senate approval in the army use even a poor data and then so that what happened was nearing the end of my ass about our integrity then suddenly the can one of the army officer realized something oh my god this is there's this group of amphibious vehicle driver service the HIV and TB SPG cos they tried that anger they can go on then and then after that going to author a fever speaker let me say oh we forgotten all these some of these drivers that don't know how to swim you know so they going to water they might drown it's a lot so this it I think you better get them at least qualify them know at least make sure they know how to flow you know something else that idea and say okay how do we make sure that we pass is a very simple you take them to the swimming pool another simple you got this high platform and then you gotta jump off the platform say it same okay here's how we're doing just get them because they're about to finishes off just a few more weeks before the energy so to say okay what we do is we make them go up to the top of the platform and then they just jump into the pool and once the junkie actress or push them up and then the strongest of the struggle past edge of the pool they pass notice that everything about we let bets versus net help you know I said listen okay that's what we do we can jump down and then float stronger so I got cuts 8b pasa so that's that's what I have to do it's my job to make sure they all do that you can imagine all these primary six educate that for lessons about the outcome and figures because I will be that goes all over and then you look at me are so small hiccup let me see you make us jump we wait for you outside the town the officer officer came and said you don't jump i confine you for three weeks everybody jump so they are they you be surprised at this big slice note that to all over I went there the jungles like mom's like this but they are you jump so in the end the audience they all jump transpose a bar structure servers at the touch of class everybody possibly I like my swimming experience so much I decided I'll take a break you know so with the treatments that is actually enough becoming as professional swimming instructor as seriously I did it for about years old and so I as a professional assume inside that I ever ties you know in the newspapers to get students okay so all these students were signing up in fact my wife is one of my students so I get all these professional students now let me ask you if I were to trade my professional students how to swim what I do this way of course not you know of course not so how do I teach them and teach them systematically this is how many pool this is how you keep this is how you get your head up for breath and then this how you do it all together and then when the street the out they look like frogs I get this Angry guys asleep fast on there although my thoughts it's truth right now then when I were to ask my army boys and then I asked the professional if I asked my professional students to teach their children how to swim do you think they came why because they've been through a process if I ask this guy's to teach their children how to swim the only way to go hard you step into the deep end right same thing see it so much my point my point is this is all about process at the end a sea so I give you a little chart there right and the Charlie you see compares these two approaches right one is the sink or stream approach in this the other one is show-and-tell approach okay so when we look at the tool you'll find that this this one is not repeatable the stream are seeing approaches not repeatable but show-and-tell is repeatable this was very hot but the show-and-tell approaches systematic this one cannot be passed on the other one can be possible because you got a point so this is what I found I found one reason why we cannot preserve our others in a chess sub-grants it's because we do not have a culture of systematically and proactively bringing our people to a process or basically cycling and I became convinced that we really need to bring this guy back in let him do his job he said okay we desperately to do this and if he do his job well the rest of us were easier trust doing our job is that understandable I became very convinced of this and that's why we develop and write materials just to help people to go through the basics of the Christian faith the navigators have done that for years they've done a great job but now we need to come back to it again okay just like let it sink oh I don't it's writing me talk about empowering which I will okay which other doing it but this is so important we get this right then we can talk about injury I think this is a good point to pause dream a little bit can I just play with you if we take a break here I'd like to hear from you after mom Joey played say Lord Jesus I thank you that this morning we can look at this very important subject of mentoring god it is a desire about the church to just raise generations of the generations of men a woman who will pursue you so I pray that as it occurs back to basics that you speak to us and you clarify within our hearts these things that we need to deal with and so we commit ourselves afresh to you in this area in Jesus name Amen

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Length: 64min 46sec (3886 seconds)

Published: Tue Oct 30 2018