Past Life Memories, Yesterday's Children and Reincarnation | An Interview with with Jenny Cockell

[Music] Jenny you're one of these people who can remember previous lies we've written three books in your first book yesterday's children you describe how you researched the memories of your previous lives you you visited Ireland and you actually in the end managed to meet the children who were the children in your previous life tell us how did these memories emerge how did this develop there are quite a lot of recorded cases of children who remember past lives and I was one of these children who remembered past lies quite a few of them and you tend to remember a fragments of detail in exactly the same way if you look over your own present life you tend to remember fragments so it would be incidents things that happened places family members things that you did with family members particularly I remembered malahide in Ireland and I remember being a mother of eight children and I indicated the what the village looked like I drew maps when I was very small and the first time I managed to get hold of an atlas I I thought well I've got to know where it is because but obviously I would have known where I lived so I looked at the atlas in the only place that seemed to resonate with me was malahide and it did repeat and I was quite sure it with malahide so I was drawing maps of the village of malahide in Ireland and there were eight children and a number of quite a number of little incidences and things family things like I remember stuffing the mattress we had the mattress had to be restocked each year because we used chaff which was left over from the harvest so it it became very compressed and hard at the end of the Asia had to redo it and I remember one year putting too much in and we couldn't get it back through the door and we will ended up in it fits of laughter because we would overdone thee that chap in the mattress so is that kind of thing just soso small incidents I also remembered Japan a life in Japan and there were other odd memories sometimes I didn't I wasn't it wasn't easy to actually piece the memories together so I'd have isolated things like I had a great fear when I was a small child of being hit by a truck I'll be walking on the pavement and I'm really quite fearful I've been hit by a truck I remembered injuries which suggested that I had actually been hit by a truck and I wasn't able to do very much during childhood but I did reinforce the memories by revisiting them talking about them thinking about them when did you first remember having memories from the past life I always knew that there were memories from a past life but I didn't really talk about them until I went to Sunday School and I was rising four so in three really and we were talking in Sunday school about life and death and things and what happened after your life and I was very confused I didn't know why they weren't talking about what happened before this life and I broke my mouth about it I never sitting on the stool in the kitchen talking to her while she was washing up and she seemed a bit surprised and then said oh it's a it's a belief it's called reincarnation and I thought why is it a belief and I went through quite a few years where I didn't understand why why other people didn't talk about it and then when I realized that though they weren't going to I thought people were in denial I honestly thought that everybody surely could remember their other lives at least one or two of them and I think it took me a long time to realize actually people were being honest with me they weren't remembering I'm then I wasn't really able to do what I wanted to do as a child which was visit the places and particularly to visit Ireland and find out what had happened to the children there it wasn't until I was an adult and then I started having children in this life and it I realized I had to suppress a lot of it just to cope with living there here and now but it got to the point where I really couldn't it was starting to bother me a great deal on it knew I'd have to do with something coincidentally at that time I came across somebody who did regression hypnosis I tried that and it it kind of helped but it also made it much harder because the memories I had then came sharply into focus and I realized how much I've been suppressing them and how I just couldn't anymore so I had to start the research and I I did it started off with a weekend trip to malahide I'm busy to the place and it was really quite strange because when you move away from somewhere and then you go back the things you notice are the changes you know what's been altered I go around a closet all if they've moved the there used to be a builder's yard there and there's a shop there now and I go down to the charity and I think concrete now used to be wood and I was able to find my way around without any problem but it was it was the differences and in me the lane itself when I started to go down was I'd always drawn exactly where the house was on which particular road and it was the road out turn swords I knew it was on me left-hand side it's the first house and I really couldn't find very much that everything was so in ruins and they built extra houses which was confusing but I knew at least I was right I had found the right place so at most the research was when I came back and then started to write to people and I've managed to find a neighbor who remembered the family and was able to give me the surname which I hadn't been out remember I got my name as Mary but I had had difficulty remembering the surname at this stage were you already aware that you were mother and they had several children yeah well I I knew where it was because as I said I'd found it as a child I knew where and the same with the Japanese memory I knew where it was I knew it was at the North extreme of the South Island so I always knew the location but yes it was continues memory although there were gaps it was continuous memory so I knew when I had a rough time scale it's annoying that a lot of past life memory is very subjective so you remember how you feel you remember smells and textures and emotions you don't remember your telephone number or anything useful I have anybody who says that they do then they're they're probably not actually remembering a advancement you it because I suppose it's because of the transition because you're you've got a memory that passes from one life to another the things that you can might consider important now through that transition transition stage may not be important so it does tend to be very much a feeling and with what you see what you touch textures of clothing as I said smells that sort of thing and events so is how you feel about an event so the children in Ireland I'd remember something like Frank as I found out there but the youngest boy used to fidget with the bottom of his clothing all the time it was react slightly annoying but he used to just his fingers underneath the edge of the clothing but he I think he's a nervous quite quiet but a quiet boy so Coast analysis yes I remember I always have remembered what was your motivation to start this research it was partly I needed to find the children I needed to find out what had happened to them but also when you're growing up and people keep saying to you oh well it's not real and you know it is yes I needed to find proof not to prove to anybody else although that has been what do they it's turned into but actually to have the evidence to have a look I told you this is this is my memory this is real not you know I went public with the story because it was cathartic to do so it made me feel easier about the subject but also I realized other people be in the same boat and I thought it would be helpful if I shared my story they might have it a little easier than I did as I grew up because I had so much rejection from people who just wouldn't accept you you know they just wouldn't believe what I was saying and it was quite hard one of the things that did teach me there is tolerance of views so that if I wanted people to accept my point of view at all or even listen to me then I have got to be willing to accept that there may be other ways of looking at things how did your parents react to your memories my mother was fairly good I think I think she found it quite hard but I think she would probably reasonably open-minded about it and as the evidence unfolded of course and she grown up with me drawing all these maps and being quite obsessed with malahide so when it all started to unfold it made perfect sense to her that it should do so I think my father found it harder but he did read the book of inched he knew it was since he's he was severely dyslexic he was the only book he'd ever read in his life so that was that was quite a nice but he actually read it that was quite nice was it difficult to research all these things in the 1970s it was quite hard because there was no nothing that we didn't have fur the Internet yeah so it was all done with big withyou I had to go to Rickles offices and write to people and go to places and yeah it was it was quite a lot of hard work and I said well order the fast rise to be honest researching so yes he was quite also and you've been to Ireland twice quite a number of times yes I've actually lost count yes quite a number of times sometimes just in day trips amazing going a commuter-type date return to Ireland so yes quite a few times and back to malahide normally quite a few times the first visit was probably the most the first one was because I went on my own and it was just we kinda way it was it was probably the most helpful in a way because everything and then I remembered unfolded in front of me as I said I walked around in the streets I knew which way to turn I knew which way to go at one point halfway up Church Street I went to turn left into a shortcut I realized that there was a house in there there wasn't a shortcut it was quite a lot later I found out that there had been a shortcut there and I was told what the trip was about it was to Mary's sister was which is probably why I kept thinking about that particular road and passing me the church in that road was the trip to visit the sister so things unfold it was quite interesting when I've actually found the family as well that they would stop one one of them would start talking about something that happened and that's it yeah and I'd finish the story or the other way round I'd start talking about something and then they'd finish the story and so it was quite like this which is nice confirmation you went to Ireland and you try to trace the family what happened through the children they were had they all been put into orphanages I the Father wasn't able to look after them he wasn't capable he had a drink problem and other things so they'd taken all the children the girls and boys were separated the oldest boy was left with his father because he was old enough to to work more or less in those days I mean I really would consider would consider him still their child but he was old enough to work and they didn't see each other for the girls didn't see the boys for just that they didn't see them again until I came onto the scene the boys then got separated through different things happening in their life and they didn't meet up until a few years before I started to research so the family was fragmented and in your previous life you died quite young yes yes 37 I think yes yes so far so fairly young and in just after childbirth the eighth child it's just Elizabeth which is funny because that's the same name I gave my dog when I was a child that's that that yeah it was I remembered the hospital room I remember dying I remembered it was it had electricity which I wasn't used to us we didn't have electricity at home so it had leaked corridors and it was quite strange I've managed to go back to the hospital room and the first thing I thought always got to Windows I remembered one and I walked back to where the bed was and there was a pier between the windows that stuck out so where I was in the bed in the room I could only see the one window and I could still see it still it's a one story up and so I actually managed to locate the room slightly strange very strange going back in there again and remembering and the emotions of this oh the whole thing is something people don't tell you the roller coaster ride the emotional upheaval is quite phenomenal a lot of people research children remember past lives but the children themselves don't often get a say about how it feels and it is really quite double-edged in a way it's fantastic if you're able to solve the life but in some part of you some part of you is still in the past and then all of a sudden you meet everybody and everything catches up and because you remember the children you remember the family as it was the moment you died and then you you get you know okay they've grown up and you meet them but then part in some part of the unconscious hasn't quite caught up and until you meet the people again and it's it's really quite quite disturbing it takes quite a while to regain equilibrium after that kind of experience worth doing definitely worth doing but quite unbalancing I think that's what makes these stories convincing there are emotions there there is life there yes the whole thing is about emotion if it was just straightforward facts most the children probably wouldn't even bother I think but it's it's the the fact that you have an emotional tie to the past that is the motivation to do anything more about it and then finding out what happened do you think these memories have influenced your life now I think at times they have swamped my life now know that each time I've managed to resolve a past life something else has happened and I started to remember another one that was buried a little deeper or a little deeper and it's only recently that I've stopped researching or in the last few years because I've managed to find and resolve there's so many of the past lies tell us about your search for the children and eventually meeting them but just wrote off because they had gone to different orphanages I wrote to all of the orphanages in Dublin for a start because I hadn't realized some of the boys had actually been sent to Dublin to start off with and then were sent to cork because they run away from home and they thought if they were caught they but they couldn't run away from him but a lot of the orphanages because the change in policy a lot of the orphanages had closed down and children would move more frequently put into care instead in fostering and then adoption but there was a realized priest actually who helped me and he said this this was a problem that and he's his orphanage was just closing but he managed to find the baptism records for some of the children in the malahide Catholic Church and that gave me different names and definite dates of birth my Vain's was slightly uncertain to them then I quite how I was going to do it so I just put an advert into a newspaper and somebody replied and gave me the contact details for one of the brothers then I phoned I really don't like telephones it's not my ideal way of communicating with people but I I phoned and it wasn't easy I mean what you say I've rehearsed and rehearse for years what I might say and it still you get caught out because it's a it's a phone I much prefer a letter you can kind of take a time over for a letter and make sure it says exactly what you want to say but no it wasn't but I did manage to in during the conversation what was given the contact details for the older brother as well because it's the second brother and I don't offend and I was so bothered that it took me a few weeks to do anything at all I mean while I had watched a documentary about past life memory and so it will maybe somebody involved with the team I had a researcher kind of between me and the older brother to cushion things a little bit so I managed to contact a researcher and they were willing the lady would hit the BBC to interview Sonny the oldest member of the family and myself separately before we met so that I mean it turned out that the programme they were doing it wasn't even dropped from the program actually that was a blessing because it's a lot of pressure at that stage in the relationship when we hadn't even met so when we did meet up we had these 9 pages of information that I had gave him about his childhood and my memories and his memories and there were nine pages of things that matched loads and loads and loads of details that match right down to little things like you know were there any pets and I said well there was and I described this dog and I see it wasn't mine it belongs to the children and ensure in our same description of the dog and any other animals around or just just the donkey so and the stuffing of the mattress lots and lots of us I'm just a separate diff events that match now then it was a matter of driving up there and a meeting which went remarkably well he was very accepting how old was even at the time now I think you're about 72 and I was about 40 I suppose no less than that but not much 30-something ah I didn't mention reincarnation I didn't think it was a good idea from the start I did mention that I had some memories I used the expression that I remember thinking dreams because I thought it was easy in fact most of the memories weren't in dreams they were just ordinary members there's only the death that I remembered in dreams but it was just too easy just to make it easier and slowly I knew we went to this it's a few times I went up a couple times in day trips as well and over time eventually he mentioned reincarnation and I said well actually that is how I see it how do you feel about it you seem quite happy then I he actually encouraged me to turn my notes into a book so I was quite happy that because I wasn't sure about any kind of publicity I really didn't know whether this was a good thing I didn't care particularly for myself but for the family though this is going to be a good thing and slowly slowly we managed to trace his brothers and sisters while I was working on the book and then eventually I got accepted by a publisher I am dyslexic as well as my father so it took me a lot of writing to try to get the thing in shape so that it was okay I had spent a few years doing a spell that got their determination and it was the first meeting of all of the survivors was due to the book and the publishers arranged it and we managed to find the last few people and get everyone together which was quite something so then I met up with everybody around the table and I was still thinking I don't turned out with the weather they quite realize that I look good as reincarnation as I still hadn't mentioned it to all of them and then Sonny brought it up and he said well what do you think and it turned out that everybody accepted that I did have these memories one or two of them thought that perhaps I had some kind of psychic connection with their mother others were quite happy to see it as reincarnation and I wasn't going to argue it's back to my tolerance of different views it's not up to me to tell somebody how to look at something just say well this is it is what's happened this is what I think it is and make your own mind up let's see it's a really the only fair way of doing it and particularly with the children because like I cared about them when you set with them together and what did you feel were you aware that they were your children it's the first thing that strikes you whenever I've done this a couple of times now when you meet people from a previous life is that you're very aware that you're not quite who you were they are you know who they are you know how you feel but you're presenting in a different body you're aware that they can't see you as the person you were and in any case in some ways you're slightly different because you've got the add-on from genetics with each life so that the person inside is the same the person inside feels the same but you don't look the same you don't necessarily have the same mannerisms except that I did have quite a lot of the same mannerisms but I would say I probably very nervous I didn't want to upset them I was delighted absolutely brilliant to find them but at the same time very nervous are very protective particularly as we were meeting and documentary was being made at the same time and I was thinking have I done the right thing his you know is this the way to get the meeting our first meeting whether with the making it a very public event but I found out later actually they were they're all very pleased with it would you have recognized them physically not so much personality absolutely they were very much the same personalities that I'd remembered the one who was always miss cheevus was still mischievous the one who's very quiet and nervous was still very quiet and withdrawn and watched other people and what let them talk sunny he was always absolutely direct and straightforward still was so yes yes the personality is very much so how did they accept you what was there they all did have a slightly different take Christine actually went to his priest and he's pretty said well we don't generally believe in reincarnation but you obviously this this there's something going on there and he was Christian was quite happy to accept that that's what it was I had been his mother the the two girls were much that they did couldn't quite accept it as that but they thought that perhaps I was I just had access to their mother's memories yeah it's a they were actually very good I felt connected at the same time this just is one step away because of the time lag and because of the the the change in life so I did manage to maintain a relationship with them for the rest of their lives which was I was very lucky I mean I think that's extremely fortunate to be able to have done that and then you you lose and again but at least this time around I knew what had happened to them I'd had that chance and it wasn't it wasn't like leaving children behind it was a much more natural process and some of you and some of the other lines had been slightly easier when I researched in Japan that it was it was harder to find the information for the exact person how did you know that you had to look to Japan I always is another it's another memory I'd always known from childhood it one that I did use hypnosis for at all but I'd always known roughly where it was and I used to draw pictures and the same Atlas I knew it was that the north of the South Island on the edge and there's a peninsula I couldn't find detailed maps of Japan and I'm not quite sure what triggered the research I think I eventually managed to find a map a more detailed map and exactly where I was looking there was a peninsula that all we're getting somewhere this is good and and I started trying to remember how that research started alpha I think I just get obsessed and just keep going I did manage to get a trip to Japan and had a look around in the area it wasn't terribly successful it was with a Japanese film company but it did I didn't really have the time to sort of stop think and relax and think about where I was so when I got back I learnt to write in Japanese it's for myself to write in Japanese so that I could write letters of inquiry I couldn't write in Japanese now but at the time I just concentrated and produced some letters of inquiry and found out what I could about the area found out when different breaches with bills I remembered that was a boat trip and falling off the boat in a boat trip then eventually I managed to get contact with a lady a Japanese lady who followed up and she actually visited the area and it turned out that the people who was family it was had been interviewed not been in my presence when the the the the Japanese company were there but the the key point for them that made it made them aware that - the others actually knew what I was talking about was I had drawn pictures of the where the house was the exact location that it was hanging on the edge of the cliff and then this Japanese lady who was helping me and said surely you don't you don't mean right on the ocean I think yeah it was right on the edge of the cliff and a little veranda and you could look out and down the cliff and the CEO was fantastic when she gave all the details she said what are we paying I'll ask them I don't think he can have been there some people and they just said well how did you know about our house it had been demolished years earlier with the family it had been in the family for a long time they'd used the house as in the summer but so it was I was able to also get lots of details to match like I remember when I first started to learn to read and write when I was in Japan and it was it coincided with the major eye restoration where girls were given an education for the first time in that life in that life yes so lots of it was and so we're talking about the towards the end of the eighteen hundred's so 1860s into the early 1870s so it's a short very short life and do you have a sense of the circumstances what happens yes it was it was before marry there's a life just before me yeah most of it again is I'm when I was a child I used to remember standing on the veranda when I was child in this life I used to remember standing on the veranda in in Japan I'm just watching the sea it's absolutely mesmerizing was what I went there the sea turns around a lot there is not not a gentle sea and it's just just looking at it in this not quite wanting to go to the very edge of the veranda not quite trusting the rail and I remember doing odd jobs around the house I know that being made to do some of the cleaning which I'm not unusual about me and expect the children to do some work but there are odd trips and I do remember the trip on the boat which was the the end of that life and terrible things of guilts about the whole thing which is and because I suppose it was to do with the mindset that I've been taken to meet someone too for a marriage and didn't manage to fulfill my father's wishes that I should be married so it was guilt that I didn't manage to survive boat sank you wrote on your book I was actually a collision and I fell off I think several people fell in the water and I had not known to swim so it's just all those silly silly things but I was unable to find complete records of the person so it was only odd things that I was able to confirm - on that one on the last life I've managed to research she was the woman I've been working on most recently and haven't been affirmation publish yet where was that Gateshead I was I as a child I had always remembered I always had this fear of being hit by a truck certainly around the age of five or six I was very bothered I was a very careful Road crosser and there are other bits that didn't altogether gel they hadn't added them all up there's a house that I'd mentioned to people for years I was looking for this house I said I'm sure I'll get to this house on time it turned out it was the house in Gateshead that I'd remembered so what motivated me in the end is as I resolved each life as I said another one would become more prominent allow that to catch resolve that as well but this particular one if I remember the injury I all my life had remembered the injury I my legs were crushed the part of its legs were crushed and then I didn't remember what happened next when was that in 1945 so it was as a six-year-old in between the life as mayor in the life as now I he knows he did actually help on that it helped me remember some of the bits I hadn't remembered so I got things like the road name under hypnosis I gave a couple of letters that were in the road now the double-l under me and it turned out that it was Elliott so I got the I remember where the school was so eventually on that sorry I think I took a long time researching that when I was really bothered I didn't want to research it well the mother was still alive I thought that was a horrible thing to go back to a mother and say I remember being the child who I just thought it wasn't and so I did I put it off for years but eventually managed to do it and eventually found a family member and I'm still in contact it's it's worked out fine a lot easier than it had been in the past because I think I'm much more relaxed about it and I was able to talk more easily about it and what was their reaction um great I mean I provided the evidence I had we talked about a few details others heard that's one way to go there once were little sod bits where I realized some of my mannerisms from there well one of when I started getting a few white hairs one of the things I used to say to people oh yes I'm going blonde and when I was talking to this surviving relative and we're talking about hair color and I saw yes he had dark hair he said well yes I so did I but I'm going blonde now I know oh okay yeah it's nice and pieces that seem to transfer over but yeah I think over time I eat has got easier I've been more relaxed about it I like I'm mostly I think you're supposed to get your past minds I think is first of you to forget and live this life and it's taken me this long to be able to resolve enough of my past lives that I can now feel I can live in the present it's about time how many of them do you remember that's quite difficult was often you remember fragments and you can't always piece them together one of the nice I remembered as a child was also as a child who was in French child and who was and where I understand sold into service you put put to work as a child as servant and in a house and I can remember fragments of that but we'll be unsure about the exact location we deep cover bits of that with the hypnosis neither oh oh this is the same one but I don't really rely on hypnosis a lot for the details so I would say that was probably not I wouldn't be able to resolve them laughing it was quite a long time ago and then there are just loads and there's a bit another one that I am always remembered from charge was as a hunter a Neolithic hunter well that was an awful long time I guess I loved that when I was a child remembering that it was the freedom a male hunting was a so you know there was some very good memories with that so there are a lot and probably at least a dozen say different different memories from different times do you think there is a development of your personality throughout these lives there is a consistency to the core personality I've been very interested in this because I've been drawing quite a lot of family research and looking at genetic links and how much genetics affect your personality so you can find relatives with some similar characteristics well obviously the person who goes from life to life has nothing to do with genetics it's a different part of you but I think the person is the person on the inside looking out who doesn't seem to change very much or changes but with slow evolution in the same way that you change from childhood to adulthood there is still you're still partly the child you were even in Toronto for this quite a bit of the part of the childhood that you were there and a life to life there is that core personality that goes from one to the next so there a very gradual change in that but the the amount of overlay that the inherited body brings and I mean if you simplest turns if you have a particular hormone imbalance it will change the way you behave hormones are physical they're part of the body so you'd expect that to be extra to the the core personality it's an interesting idea to try and find out exactly how much of the real you is the you that gets transferred I think it's probably the amount that is brought by DNA is probably more considerable and I would like to think but I think there's probably quite a lot that is doing that the jacket that you put on with each life the physical body has physical effects on the way that you present as a person the experiences you have in one life will shape your personality it's an add-on you the experiences is you've always had will shape the way that you interact with others same the amount of tolerance you might have you might bring anger from one life to another and find that you don't understand I have an emotion that you just don't understand that you might have just brought with you so yes life to life each life is going to affect you every bit as much as things that have happened in your current life as you're saying quite rightly but most people wouldn't be aware and I think you're back to were had said earlier I don't think that you are supposed to remember past lives I don't think you're necessarily supposed to be aware of what has shaped you and made you the person you are now why not it's it's an off I think it's an awful lot to carry with you through it so it depends on what's happened I really think there are things that sometimes you will be better shutting out and moving away from they'll still be the your reactions will still be there in the unconscious but I think there are for example there I think there are some forms of therapy where digging up what has happened in this life before you are prepared to look at it can be counterproductive I am I think that given time you will cope with the things that you need to cope with at the pace as long as you do cope with them when they come up at the pace that you can manage but if you are born with a great deal of I mean it's some other things that happen to people you you just wouldn't want to have to cope with little ones I have to remember I don't think it would be easy to to live a life uncluttered some people say if you don't remember so what is the point before they you don't need to make remember that it's it's part of your evolution anywhere it will still affect you whether you remember it or not it will still temper your character and I think they there is an evolution that get the work there is the obvious equation there is a physical evolution that creatures evolve they change but I think there is also an evolution of the soul that you move on and you change and you develop so that they would go hand in hand and it would affect societies more than even just the individual level I think that's this is this is a good thing because societies move forward with what I see is the change of the soul the evolution of the soul so you never doubted your memories no no I'm no not really no I think there's a certain determination there that III wasn't going to even as a child except when other people started to tell me that's not real no actually it is so no how difficult is it to prove that your memories are accurate when it comes to proving you had previous knows you're not going to get the kind of evidence that some people feel is necessary you're not going to get your National Insurance number you're not going to get your telephone number you don't going to remember things like that all you've got is your memories of events the way you feel places or details things that have happened and it's the amassing those memories so it's not one person's men with a past life it's not even dozens there are hundreds and hundreds and probably thousands of people well there are thousands of people who have remembered past lives for being researched so really it is best to research children who remember because they are nearer the source there are they're most likely to remember enough detail to actually follow up and find her I passed my family which is what you need to do you need to then compare the memories with the memories of the past life family as well and make sure and it's best if they're not publicly known facts so that their things are only that family knew and in the end you're not going to convince people who do not wish to be convinced that's fine everybody is allowed it is quite valid for people to have a different point of view as long as when they're analyzing something they actually use the the facts in front of them if you take a set of facts and you have one person who has one opinion on those facts and another person has a different opinion that's fine as long as the facts are right to start off it so we're probably there the researchers are probably doing as much as they possibly can do to evidence past slides but you're never going to convince everybody because people have different opinions and people sometimes find the whole thing so uncomfortable that even if you could tag a person somehow and then the tag appears in the next life and some sort of I don't know assuming that you're some kind of electromagnetic energy perhaps that passes from one last on if there was some way of marking it even if that kind of evidence was available you still wouldn't convince everybody so all you can do in anything like this is say well this is what happens this is what happened to me expressional later on sable make your own mind up this is presumably why you're writing your books yeah it's that the reason the reason I wrote the books weren't actually to produce evidence as much as to externalize to haven't make it cathartic they'd get it out of my system but also to share so that initially and certainly it was to share so other people going through the same experience can be validated in their own experience can see some of the methods you might use if you're self researching and perhaps have the confidence I've quite a few people who have actually managed to trace their families ID aren't sure if they want to approach or how to approach so I get people and coming for advice which is fine that's that's what it's about it's about helping people with their their own process their own research with a bit just a bit of advice here and there anyway do you think these lights are heading towards a certain point it may be a long way off there we may have at the beginning of the universe we may have been part of us full of well we will have been the big bang everything started what became consciousness would have been there and possibly the whole experience of consciousness ends when everything ends so yes we've we may be heading there but it may be a lot further away than we might imagine do you think there's a goal in that development um the goal might simply be or be as simple as experiencing an understanding which that could be enough I don't have all the answers we're we're still on the journey and we have a long way to go but there are lots of it it does get you the exciting so thinking all the different possibilities or where it's going and what watch conclusion where we will be eventually but really interesting to the thing that we might connect better with each other you know that's a that's an unconscious level but maybe we already do and don't don't know do you think that society is more accepting of the idea of reincarnation now I've seen a huge change from when I first started and it was considered odd very very odd now I think you know lots of people see it is that's what happens it's quite normal there have been some lovely cases that have been well documented where parents have heard their children talking about past lives so then they think all are capable will research this will ask the right questions and see what happens we'll put possibilities and see which one they go for and and they're actually doing it quite well without having to you think twice market they just seem to be know now how to help research travel which that's that's really a lot further on from where I started there's a lot better so there is progress yes like any progress getting there thank you very much Jenny for your time and for your very interesting experiences thank you [Music] you

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Length: 48min 21sec (2901 seconds)

Published: Wed Oct 04 2017