Part 1: Is Christianity the White Man's Religion?

[Music] will resonate and be spoken about for years to come and with technology as it is today it will not only impact black America but this is a debate a conversation and event that I believe will have ramifications throughout the African community around the world the event of course is called is Christianity the white man's religion this is a myth that has floated around African American and African communities and other communities of color for hundreds of years and that's why the subtitle of this debate is debated answered and settled once and for all so you are definitely in the place to be today I want to thank the distinguished pastor Eric Mason for allowing us to hold this event and his wonderful church epiphany Fellowship I want to thank the members of epiphany for all of their great volunteer work most notably Katrina Williams who helped put this together I want to thank all of the members of the King movement all of the pastor's all of the Christians who have come from far and wide to support this event I also want to thank members of the African village who have come out today I want to thank members of the Shrine of Ma'at who have come out today if we have I know we're supposed to have if any of the brothers and sisters from the Hebrew Israelite community any Muslim and sisters or any other members of the court unquote conscious community who have come out today we thank you for coming out we know that many of you started in the church and for whatever reason many of them legitimate you became discouraged with the church and with Christianity and so we thank you for coming back into the church and I do believe I can say this on behalf of pastor Eric Mason welcome home if only for a day we love you we're excited to have you here and we are excited to be in your presence today so thank you for coming I am Chris Broussard I'm the founder and president of the King movement which worked with the Epiphany fellowship to put this event together King is an acronym that stands for knowledge inspiration and nurture through God and King is a national christian men's movement that is built to strengthen and empower men to become all the guys created us to be husbands fathers leaders citizens and role models because we know if we do just that just that that we will strengthen our families our communities black America and America as a whole so without further ado let me introduce today's moderator I mentioned him before he's an absolute champion of the faith he's the author of four books most notably woke church which I would encourage you to go out and get if you haven't already bought it it's a great read you won't be disappointed he is the pastor here at epiphany Fellowship and without further ado welcome dr. Eric Mason good afternoon everybody y'all can do better than that good afternoon good afternoon good afternoon and we are so glad that everyone was able to make it and be here we are officially sold out so there are no more tickets for today so if you got any friends text messaging you there's only space for the overflow in the basement where we'll have it'll be very very nice environment as well but it's video streamed there directly and so that's what's happening on that in a lot of people have been asking us is this stream no it's not streamed but we will be um putting this on youtube right after this on Kings page and epiphany fellowships page so that people can watch this or repeat across the world so many people from across the world we've got responses from Africa England UK all over the world for people wanting to know whether or not this extreme and so we want you to know that this will be put out here at their time so I want to first welcome to the stage a brother that is not of course a stranger to the conscious community answer many african-americans in the world who has been putting in a lot of work communicating his philosophy in the world his name is brother Jabari OSes a and he has studied ancient Africa for over 30 years focusing primarily on ancient comedic Egyptian history and spirituality I only said a Gyptian cuz that you know kinetic tradition is what they want us to make sure we emphasize as a name brother Oh Sasha has led annual study tours to Egypt since 2002 in particular in a with African Genesis Institute more than 3,000 people seeking to uncover the wisdom and accomplishments of ancient africans have taken these epic journeys he has also led monthly tours of the world-renowned Egyptian collections of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Brooklyn New York at the Brooklyn Museum the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and apology and the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago and the Museum of Fine Arts brother Oh Susie has obtained a Bachelor of Science degree in Human Services and africana studies from Cornell University and and his Masters of Science degree from the Metropolitan College of New York in 1998 and he was initiated into the chromatic order of the son of tah-tah if I'm saying it right pitar what time amen thank you for that but stop by chief priest Haru UNK rah semana all right we want to acknowledge you brother if you stand so we can acknowledge you brother we want to acknowledge you and he is also the author of seven little white lies the conspiracy to destroy the self-image let's give him no matter what side of the fence you on let us give us a unifying admiration for him coming here and being with us today brother oh sorry absolutely next we have another brother that's of course not a stranger to us here either we have our brother here brother mohair Bantu doctor mohair Bantu is here with us today and he goes by several titles but of course that's one of his main titles and he is also here from he's assistant professor at that of church history and black church studies and fuller in Houston Texas he is also a hos MA and PhD in Semitic and Egyptian languages from Catholic University of America and indeed from gordon-conwell that's my doctoral alma mater from cume the same actual campus I went to and also a THM from Princeton Theological Seminary and a BA in theology from Wheaton he put his primary disciplines include early Christianity in Africa and in Asia urban ministry and african-american theology he has two forthcoming books one called a multitude of all peoples engaging ancient Christianity global a Christianity's global identity and that will become through InterVarsity press and and and his last book is also a gospel now make sure that I know how to say this correctly hymen Oh hymen Oh a a constructive theology and critical reflection of Africa of African and diaphoretic Christianity so let's give our brother here mohair bantu a big round of applause although I'm Christian I'm impartial here I'm just the moderator somebody's a moderator and so as a moderator my job it should just facilitate both points of views and their ability to communicate their point of views in order to keep our time very very concise my brothers there will be a timer up there for each one of you those clocks will drop down the first clock is the 20 minute clock which is your presentation time the 10 minute clock is the the rebuttal time for each one of you and so this is the way it's going to go through each section as we work through each one of the section the first one is going to be it's Christianity the white man's religion under that section we will have 20 minutes for that brother Jabari is going to present for his 20 minutes and then after that dr. Bantu is going to do his 20 minutes then after that a brother Jabari is going to do the 10 minute response to that then there will be another 10 minute response to brother Jabari presentation by dr. Bantu and then in between each one we'll have five minute breaks somebody say breaks there we go so without any further ado um we are going to go ahead and get this started and that starts now with brother Jabari first I have to go off and say that wherever dr. Mason got his black medallion he took me back do you see what he's wearing around his neck I had one of those in the in the late 80s Early 90s anymore that's a brother from us so I wanna just thank him for being so gracious and allowing us to be here to have an important conversation I must say thank you to our dear brother chris broussard where is brother Chris there you go we have to say thank you for all of his work putting yeah I must have been on the phone with him about six hours this week so I know that he spent a lot of time making sure this event came together and I want to give him honor before that and before I speak I would usually ask for an elder to give me permission to speak and I am absolutely honored to have my elder the person that I have studied for over 20 years with baba Haru long cross Ahmad Zapata may I speak dois Joc so we have very little time so I'm gonna move very quickly let me just first start by saying that I have no enmity whatsoever for people who are in the Abrahamic traditions I have no problem with our people who are Christians Hebrews or Jews and Muslims I am here because you are my family there may be things that we disagree on important topics that we must address but I am here because I see you and I hope you see me I am you and you are me so sometimes when we have debates sometimes we get into these these moves where we're almost gang banging in the conscious community gang banging in the church gang banging in the Kemetic temple we're not going to do that today I spent so much time so much time researching my my of my dear brother dr. van to and and research and I keep telling dr. Mason you know I'm the guy guys get in what you write I'm gonna get in with you right but the reality is I say that with humor and in love because as I research these brothers as I research chris broussard these are moral good brothers these are not people that I cannot work with because I carry an ankh my family is Christian my mother my father my sisters and so I want to begin by saying that you are I am you and you are me now having said that let me say that I'm also a priest a high priest in fact of my aunt and that does mean that I am obligated to tell you the truth now sometimes when I tell the truth people get bruised I want to say if they offset that is not my intention to harm anyone and if I tell the truth and you are bruised the only thing that I will ask is that you really ate your connection to the truth that is what I intend to bring here to you today so let's go first of all let's just recognize that 8 and 10 African Americans are Christian 8 in 10 how in the world could I have animosity for you when you are US but I want to say to you that perhaps one of the reasons why we are here is because there was something we needed to do something we needed to get in order to go where we needed to go and I'm gonna argue to you today brothers and sisters mothers and fathers that that time is over I have respect and admiration for ancestors like Frederick Douglass Harriet Tubman and that Turner Christians who fought for our liberation they are my ancestors as well as they are yours but I must also say that I I'm always thinking about an African proverb that says after you use a boat to cross a river you don't waste it upon your back to climb a hill it is time for us to reevaluate those things that we have been given and take a very cold clear-eyed view of the things that we do because those people who sought to subjugate us those people who sought to destroy us gave it to us that is as plain as I can make it I want us to understand and think about how this this image of asked you might know her as Isis who knows Isis let's see by show of hands and who was calling her austere all set I want us to find out how this image of us suckling her son Haru became this that's what we must study and understand I know that some of you were saying that's not who I see when I pray I get that but I want you to understand that the institutions that you are part of want you to see this image there's a reason there is a reason we're gonna go further into it anyone know what this image is this is elmina slave dungeon sometimes called slave castle it is certainly not a castle to the Africans who are enslaved there and I want you to understand that as I took my third journey there with my queen who was sitting here Anika dr. Anika Daniel self are they in for kamma odd I must pay homage and give honor to the person that guides me and keeps me upright as we went there I was once again told about the the painful experience of our ancestors our direct ancestors experienced in for example the slave dungeon where women would be packed there in a rule that is about half the size of this three to five hundred women packed there for as many as three months menstruating using the bathroom crying bleeding and eating all in the same space in fact recent excavations have actually shown us that about four feet of the floor at least we thought it was the floor was actually the refuse and the human remains and the bones and the skin and the tears of our ancestors in that space and in fact if you look at this courtyard here well you'll see this elevated area that's where the enslaver would stand to look at the women as they were trotted out to decide who he would rape and if that woman said that she would not allow herself to be defiled they would tie her leg to a chain a ball and chain and allow her to stay in the Sun until she changed her mind or perished and then you see the wasting cell that is there the cell that they would take rebellious Africans and place in with no food and no water and allow them to die and then when they died they'd bring their bodies out into the courtyard and leave them for everyone to see and just a few feet away there's this what is that that's the church you have to ask yourself if our ancestors were praying and then Slayers were praying the divine force could have only answered some of those prayers whose prayers did they answer this is a painful reality but it is the reality you should understand that after saying that Africans had no souls and would not be baptized as if we had a choice in the matter then there were forced baptisms where we actually see beginning would father bottle almost say les Casas who talks about the enslavement of Native Americans saying that actually Africans should be enslaved because we have no souls and this begins the enslavement of Africans and then we know I'm going through this very quickly I have eleven minutes left then you know that the papal bulls the actual documents had come from the church actually say that we will not only allow enslavement of our sisters but coordinate the enslavement of our ancestors and then eventually those Christians decide that they should force us to be actual Christians take a look at this it actually says and this comes from Spanish friar Juan Marquez in his book Elba Bernardo Cristiano by the way virtually everything I say will be cited I may not mention the citation but please look at the screen he says oh who can be so blind as not to see the great mercies God has bestowed upon unlearned Negros through slavery bringing them into the power of Christian lords who have given them light the light of the gospel these traditions were forced upon us these traditions were given to us by Europeans who sought to destroy us if you want to know more about this this is an excellent book that I'd suggest by Katherine gerbner Christian slavery you need to take take a look at this book one of the reasons why we disagree very often is because people are not doing their own research and it's of critical importance for us to do that and so when I went to El Mina of course I was in Donna right you know that I mean is in Donna right of course if a great tragedy had happened to your ancestors you would figure you would know where it took place right why is it we don't know that well when I wasn't done I saw the largest images of what I will call the Tom who or the white Jesus they didn't just steal us they remained on the continent-continent seething division discontent and disunity these are the images that I see large images of a white marry a white Jesus look at this statue here gigantic and I know that some of you are saying yeah that's West Africa you know we don't do that right here's Abyssinian Baptist Church and mother Bethel AME just a few miles from here the Christian Church has been the greatest purveyor of white supremacist thought someone say ouch if it hurts it's true it's true and I know that some will actually say well Jabari we know the enslavement story we know that our ancestors who were West Africans actually were not Christians until our enslavement however they will say and I'm sure my dear brother will say this by the way I'm gonna show you why you shouldn't I'm warning him but just take a look at this story here they're gonna talk about Nubia they're gonna talk about Ethiopia and say well these were early Christian communities but then those communities become Christian in a bloodless costless manner that's the story they do not want you to know take a listen of course the sound is enough what I want to say is while this is a brother that I respect and love that doesn't mean that he's not above being chastised for things that he said so I want you to hear him say properly that there are early Christian communities but then also say something very interesting about the Kemetic tradition and Kemetic people listen the Latin speaking West in North Africa like where gustin's Italian from and then Egypt which was mostly Greek speaking but then you got two more and these are independent African kingdoms and these are black kingdoms right Egyptians in North Africans they wouldn't blend they was you know like they are now they brown right it likes can do you know and so but but they wouldn't black you know and black was always trying to be was black like they wouldn't plan you know they they draw paintings and so they talk about black people as if they're not black right it's in the evidence in the primary text we don't have to go to say then the Egyptians was black to feel proud of African history you know why because we got to other proud kingdoms that we can say was definitely black and we why don't we look at them I understand why more of us don't say what about Nubia you know that was a black ancient African kingdom just as old as Egypt they built more pyramids than the Egyptians or I should say more of them survived to the president in Egypt Egypt did let's talk about Nubia or cush and then of course we got Aksum another black sub-saharan African Kingdom here's we're gonna stop that there for the sake of time I want you to recognize that those are the two nations that people always mention well Christianity is very old I remember when I was younger people would hand me copies of the Kebra Nagast this is the black Bible they would say and I knew my Rastafarian brothers would also talk about Selassie I and about the traditions that come out of Ethiopia and the traditions that come out of Nubia but how did they become Christian nations there's the part that people don't tell you well you have to take the journeys and learn the story you're seeing here an image of my queen and I journeying to Ethiopia magnificent place but one with a difficult history in some instances we can't just insert Ethiopia in insert Nubia and then correct the reality that Christianity has been damaging to our people destructive of our nation destructive of our history why I'd say that we are in the midst of the greatest example of identity theft you should know that this is how Ethiopia becomes Christian it originally followed ancient African traditions until a man who was actually taken his captive named Bishop fermentis actually who was a serial Greek became the tutor of the King son and he actually now think about this he's working with a child a child well I would actually say to you think of it this way would you want dear Christian brothers and sisters for you to send someone to school your child to school and they return and say they're not the same spiritual tradition as you how comfortable would you be with that well that is in fact what fermentis did and that boy would then convert to Christianity and become the king of Ethiopia Zemus is Lamas please say Zama with me you have to study this Zhanna then goes here the coins he goes and prevents Ethiopians from erecting their stelae which is something they did according to their traditions that seemed to be quite close to the Kemetic Nubian traditions by the way and then he does something very interesting our dear brother dr. van to gives you a Ethiopian Nubia right but what he's not telling you is that this eat this converted Ethiopian King then goes to Nubia and destroys its cities kills its priests that's how Nubia falls this transition to Christianity was not bloodless they didn't just say hey Christianity works let's do it here's an image that is supposed to be that was recently drawn up of taharka supposed to be one of the last kings of Nubia a proud African well those things that he wrought were destroyed by Azana both Ethiopia and Nubia fell because of what took place the work of a Greek Syrian man that's what happens he becomes the Bishop of Ethiopia let's move quickly there's no I'm going to get through all of this this is a beautiful image right of a Native American man right well if we don't understand history correctly this will actually seem like it makes sense we know that groups of people move you would never think to see Donald Trump as a Native American but some people would like you to believe that when dr. pan to says that the Egyptians aren't black that's what he's doing really quickly he's focusing on this period this is the 3rd and 4th century CE II of the Common Era instead of focusing on the three millennia that preceded it 3,000 years you can't say that the Egyptians aren't black after the sin after the Persian the Syrians the Greeks the Romans and then in there someplace the Arab invasion of 637 C II and then say they not black if you do that I want to say you're doing this unintentionally you're doing the service of our oppressors these are the images you should see here is king Narmer the founder of Kemet you can find a documentary on Kevin every day of the week but you will never see an image of the man that put it together his nose is wider than anyone in this room his lips are thicker than anyone in this room this is the man that puts chemic together and then it falls apart and then this man brings it back together and then it falls apart and this man and then this man these are Africans if you just focus on the Coptic period that's like you saying that Donald Trump is a Cherokee that's the problem we have here and I also need for you to see this man as my time is running out this man wrote the world's oldest complete book is Amos potaka taps a portal tap with me these are the Africans that are being hidden and finally very quickly I want you to understand that Christianity in those regions which was forced upon those people then seeks to destroy the ancient African traditions take a look at this temple which is which was named feel a safety lay with me or pillocks a pillock with mila it is here where we see Constantine do his dangerous work saying that if you actually practice the pagan traditions you will do so under the pain of death this temple is then closed and we see the last inscription in the ancient African language and then we see something curious desecration of this temple do you see that with a Coptic cross and we actually see that these places were defiled can you see how us is carved out here chiseled out this is what those Christians look at how they destroyed her face family that is the tradition that we have been placed in I wish I had a whole hour to talk to you about this I do not we'll come back on on the rebuttal but I want you to understand that there's a story that you ain't been told i'ma leave you with this image here this is a great temple called the temple of Luxor beautiful temple in petrus yet and in that temple you'll actually see that the Christians that made it their church plastered over and painted images of themselves and in this instance our dear brother dr. banjo is correct those ain't Africans those are the Tom will the Europeans that inhabit that space and defiled your ancient traditions thank you now we will have dr. bull headband to to present for his 20 minutes and then after that we will have a rebuttal by brother Jabari Oh sighs eh so first of all I want to again also thank the King movement brother Chris I want to thank dr. Mason epiphany fellowship and also want to thank my dear brother brother Jabari and the shrine amat everybody is so great to be here I echo everything that my brother said for cordiality and a common shared experience and a common humanity that we share and also a desire to engage in civil inter-religious dialogue and so uh so I'm very excited to do that and I'm gonna I'm gonna run through the presentation in an hour I'll address some of the things that brother Jabari brought up some of the excellent points in brother Jabari brought up in the rebuttal but first I want to I want to give my answer to the first question of is this rot the white man's religion and I'm gonna explain a little bit about some of these terms that we're using but everybody say basalt thank you this rot is an ancient Ethiopian word that means the gospel that's or it means good news right and so I will be using the word basalt frequently in replacement of the word Christianity simply to exemplify one of the points that I'm gonna make is which is that Biss rod has within itself the ability to translate itself into various languages and adapted adapt it's timeless Universal message into different cultural milieu and symbols and contexts like manner I'm gonna be using the word Nasser ah we everybody say Nasser Ali when I say Nasser Ali this is an ancient Ethiopian word that would translate to technically it means Nazarenes but in the context that it was used in ancient Ethiopia and maybe what we now call Christians and in the same way when I say now is Rahway I mean Christians and when I say this rod I mean Christianity also I want to do a little bit more definition what do I mean when I say right right I mean I'll by weaving a little bit of rebuttals into this into this conversation as well because one is one central point that I'll be sharing with brother Jabari is that the vast majority of what he just shared which is very true ugly history in the white man's Christianity is not something that I am here to defend today I do not defend that I do not I do not claim that that is not my religion that is not my belief system the Bible that I believe is the inspired Word of God says that if you see your brother sister in need and do not have pity on them the love of God is not in you the Bible also says in Isaiah that those who oppress the poor God does not hear their prayers so what brother Jabari showed me what I also visited el mine and what we all are very well familiar with a Europeanized Christianity that has and still does oppress our community is not something that I claim or am a part of and therefore I'm not here to defend today so we don't need to even talk about that what I am here to defend today is what I'm defining as bisfrog based on various biblical citations so this is the parameters I'm drawing around what I what I understand to be the community of basalt the message of this rock that our Lord Yeshua of Nazareth preached 2,000 years ago and that is that the creator of everything God you know Chandi you know Zarathustra whatever word your culture uses to call the one the great creator of all things who is perfect and who is taught has existed from time immemorial that Creator who is Father Son and Holy Spirit made humanity each and every one of us in His image and despite humanity's rebellion against his rule and incapacity to live in complete harmony with his perfect will makes available to all humanity salvation from eternal separation from him only by grace through faith in the incarnation of the Messiah Jesus fully God and fully human who's at the perfect life died on a cross becoming the object of divine wrath for human sin and rose from the dead so that all who trust in him can by the power of the Holy Spirit live fully as witnesses to his kingdom which will be fully realized at his glorious return that's what I believe that's what I will die for that is the belief system that governs my entire existence and that is what I'm defending and so just so I we're clear on what this Rogers what do we mean by white people when we say that rot is the white man's religion what I am here to argue is that what I just explained to you which really comes from God's Word doesn't come from me that that is not the result of the white man that is not a message that is not a belief system that originated with the white man but what do we when we say white man well but specifically what I'm answering the question of what do we as in we today mean when we say white man when we're talking about the first century when Miss rot first came to its fruition in the person and work of Jesus Christ and so I'm answering the question of what do we mean by what do we today mean when we say white people back then and what I'm what I would argue that what we mean and what I mean by that is first of all I mean citizens of the Roman Empire and or Europe this is the predecessor of what would later become known as whiteness the Western world I also mean people who are of light or or medium or olive skin tone can potentially be considered white depending on who they are and and also how they stand into this third category which is people who deeply embrace and promote Romana toss the idea of making Rome great again the idea of Roman Rome is a great Empire if you buy into this particularly Empire you can be a part of this of this white to use it and impute it into that context i D ideation and so what I'm arguing is that according to that definition of whiteness right according to the ancient context of being citizens of the Roman Empire who can by virtue of their skin tone identify with and participate in this identity and people who embrace it and promote its its imperial agenda that identity is not where rock came from at all second point first first and I want to make that I want to make that point through four simple points first of all is that the doctrine of white supremacy does not come from dis rot right there isn't evil called white supremacy that we are still languishing under even today and not just in America but all over the world and it's been around for quite some time but it did not originate with this rot it did not come from the Bible but it came from Romagna sauce itself it comes from the Roman Empire and I'll show you that this is a mosaic from North Africa that actually shows an indigenous North African person who has a black Ethiopian slave who is helping him or being forced to serve him in his hunting this is from this is from the town of hippo radius in modern-day Algeria but this is just an example some primary examples of showing the early racist attitudes that Romans had towards people with dark skin towards black people this is from Plato one of the founding thinkers that really undergirds Western society and whiteness so right in the middle of everything that governs our legal economic social political cultural society that is the Western world that is whiteness that is Europe and the Americas Plato one of the fact one of its founding thinkers you see right here in his Gorgas where he says but i believe that nature itself reveals that it is a just thing for the better man and the more capable man to have a greater share than the worst man and the less capable man and this is just one example I could show you 100 more in Aristotle and Socrates and Plato and all these other classical authors right this is their belief that they were better than everyone else and that anybody that was lesser than them should be their servant and one of the various types of people that they saw as less than them was black people and we see that right here in Juvenal who's the early the late antique Roman historian and-and-and and satirical writer who said let the straight legged man laugh at the club-footed man the white man at the Ethiopian and Ethiopian in the Greek language just means black right because the modern nation that we now know as Ethiopia didn't call itself that until much much later it was hobby shot and it was also centered in Axum and the name Ethiopia though the word Ethiopia is a Greek word it's not an African word it's not an it's not an Ethiopian word and it just means black it means literally burnt faced one so right here we see that it was part of Roman attitudes to think that blackness was akin to being handicapped or was akin to being lesser than and we see right here that what do we do with lesser people in the Roman Empire we dominate them so again this is before Yeshua took on flesh and preached the gospel the wrought this was part of Roman society already before abyss rock even came around and even Malcolm X was aware of this in his autobiography Malcolm X was aware of the fact that that white supremacist expressions of Christianity which I'm here today clearly to say is not Christianity and the Bible is clear about that that is not Christianity but power Comex was even clear about that that was not the origin of Christianity what later become became this oppressive expression of it in his autobiography he says you can go right back to the very beginning of Christianity Catholicism the genesis of Christianity as we know it to be presently constituted with its hierarchy was conceived in Africa by those whom the Christian Church calls the Desert Fathers the Christian Church returned under the banner of the cross conquering killing exploiting pillaging raping bullying beating and teaching white supremacy and so again those folks that came back and built El Mina and Kate coasts and dozens of slave castles in the name of Christianity we're not Christians I'm just coming out and just gonna say that these were not Christians these were not followers of Yeshua of Nazareth right but even Malcolm X understood that there's a distinction between that and that which had developed for a thousand years leading up to Cape coasts and what was originated of primarily in Africa with African theologians so the second point I want to make is that this rot actually emerged among a marginalized people group of color brown skin Aramaic speaking Palestinian Jews were the first people God Himself took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ and he preached his Biss right to a bunch of other brown skin Aramaic speaking people who themselves were colonized by the Roman Empire who were in the midst of wars with the Roman Empire and they fought against him this was a part of Titus's Arch where it shows how the Roman emperor Titus conquered Israel and Palestine and carried off much of their sacred objects back to Rome and this is a quote from Cicero again a foundational Roman thinker who also displays Roman negative racist attitudes towards Jewish people and Middle Eastern people which was one of their colonized regions he says then - there are those unhappy revenue farmers and what misery to me were the miseries of those to whom I own so much had handed them over as slaves to Jews and Syrians themselves peoples born to be slaves so this rot emerged within a racist anti black ethnocentric Roman Empire but it emerged in a among a colonized brown-skinned Aramaic speaking people who themselves were colonized by that same Roman Empire third point I want to make is that as as a nas Rahui somebody again please say now sir are we as a nasrallah myself III believe in I believe in the basura I'm a follower of Yeshua and part of what we believe as na zdrowie is that there is a difference between what we call these days contextualization and syncretism or extraction ISM what I mean by extraction ISM is the idea that your religious beliefs is at odds with your cultural identity this is this is how this is how Christianity was introduced to so many black and brown people around the world that our version of Christianity is the only right one white folks saying that and your culture is antithetical to this religion and therefore if you want to be a part of our religion you have to start looking acting talking like us right which again is not true this rock but that is what we call extraction as a venue on the other hand you have syncretism the idea that your religious beliefs are completely harmonious with your cultural ancestral beliefs and that there is no difference and you can do both of them fully but as Nasser ah we we believe that what the Bible teaches us is to avoid either one of those extremes because the Bible's tells us that God's image is on each and every one of us and God is working and speaking even in the religious practices of people before they come to fully know him in the person of Jesus Christ by grace through faith so there are elements in every culture in every religion that harmonized with the truth and with God's truth as communicated in the Bible and when and where that happens we embrace those things and we use them to communicate the best ride where they are harmonious where they are in contradiction we reject them the Holy Spirit and the watch calls us out of our people and yet at the same time it makes us better versions of our people and we can use our very culture and our ID our symbols and our traditions to amplify the bus ride that's what we call contextualization and the Bible itself implores us to do that that was a very that was a crucial part of God's salvation plan to be made to fruition in Jesus Christ from the very beginning when he called Abraham to be the father of a great nation but he said through you all nations will be blessed and so if there were ever if there was ever a people group that we were gonna say this rot it belongs to them it would have been the Jewish people because all the first Nasrallah in the New Testament were Jewish from Palestine and yet the New Testament itself takes great pain to communicate to the Jew Jewish people this ain't just for y'all my salvation plan was not just for y'all and I'm that's not a new thing I've been telling y'all that since Abraham I've been telling you all that since Isaiah told you that it's too small thing for you to be my servant in fact I will call you be a light to the nation's my salvation plan will reach to the ends of the earth and it's for all people right and so we see that come to fruition in the New Testament but especially in acts 10 Peter gets a vision from from the Holy Spirit saying kill and eat and he says I won't touch anything that's unclean and God says Peter don't call anything unclean what I've called clean and this is again what white supremacist Christianity has failed to understand right that and so right there we see that it is not just for Jewish people but again you know nasrallah and misrata these things are much more kind of closer in practice and in ideology you talk about the Passover and communion and all of these different traditions that are in Basalt they are much more connected to Judaism so again if anybody was ever gonna think oh this religion is only for these people which was a very normal way to think in the ancient world that this religion is for this country or this tribe or this city and everybody has their local deities and their local religions but so it would have been a natural thing to think that oh this new thing called rot or call the WHO and Gallion or called the way that's for Jewish people and the New Testament itself says no this is for everybody and not only is it for everybody acts 10 but acts 15 at the council Jerusalem there was a question of well if non-jewish people are going to be part of this do they have to be circumcised ie do they have to be like us do they have to act Jewish do they have to act like the brown skin Aramaic colonized people who were the first na zdrowie and the answer was no it says it seems good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place further burdens upon you and so you can become a nasrallah as you are because it's not about your practices it's not about your traditions it's not about your clothes it's about putting faith in the risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that's what makes you a nasrallah right it's not about particular tradition so not only are all people accepted but they can be as they are and again the Bible itself implores us to contextualize the the Hebrew names for God Elohim Yahweh these are not originally Hebrew names these actually came from Canaanite deities that Moses and jet-like he was introduced to through midnight his father-in-law Jethro so even the Old Testament takes the sacred names from other cultures pagan cultures and say that person that you Canaanites call L or yah that's actually the name that we that's the name of the God who created everything and that's the name we're gonna use in the New Testament John calls Yeshua the logos again a platonic term that had no one that no no residence for the Jewish people that were mainly the majority that Nasrallah but he says that thing that Plato and other folks that you guys the Hellenes call the logos that's who Jesus is that's who Yeshua is using your cultural symbols to interpret the same timeless Universal rot and that is how fish that is how Christianity is meant to spread last point I'm gonna make is that this rod first entered Africa and Asia freely and developed without and often in spite of Roman and European involvement from the very beginning in acts 2 it showed that that God in His Providence chose a people group the Hebrews who themselves were of every color in every hue and were scattered through the Diaspora in in as the word says in every nation on the earth Persians Arabs Libyans Egyptians Romans Cappadocia --nz all people were gathered to Pentecost and when the Holy Spirit fell and were sent out from there the message of this rock continued to spread throughout the entire known world and and and basalt grew with Jewish communities originally in these different places but then the message went out into their non-jewish neighbors into these various empires and again this was when it was free of colonialism this is at a time when the Roman Empire was killing Christians how would we say that Christianity came from the Roman Empire when they were massacring their own citizens who believed in this thing were throwing them in Coliseum's to the Lions because they didn't want to pray to Jupiter and Pluto and and all of these other Greek and Roman and Latin gods that everybody was being forced to pray to this was in the Roman Empire this is what we now call Europe now on the flip from the very beginning in the first few centuries Christianity was also in Persia in the Persian Empire and the interesting thing is that at that time Christianity the Biss rod was actually more dangerous and volatile in what we now call Europe that was a recruit that was were not Robert were being Christian we were being killed left and right but in the Persian Empire the nasrallah or as they were called in Persia Nasri a in Syriac who spoke Persian and Syriac as well this is what we now call Iraq Iran in Afghanistan the rot was growing freely in this particular context and in fact it was actually safer to be a nas Rahui in Iraq and Iran in Afghanistan than it was in what we now call Italy Greece and Spain that was where it was dangerous to be a Nasrallah in the roman empire that was where they were against the bisfrog persian empire was like yeah it's fine it's cool you know we're so a streon and there's hindus and buddhists here so you guys yeah you you nasrallah you can do your thing too and in fact there were even people who left the roman empire and went into the persian empire and they were actually called christians but the indigenous persian Nozawa who themselves were much closer actually to the Semitic Aramaic speaking language and culture of Yeshua they weren't even called Christians they didn't even know what a Christian was until Roman people showed up and said hi We're Cristian hey we're Christians and the indigenous persons were like well we're Nazarenes I don't know what a Christian is let's talk about it oh we believe in the right okay yeah we're the same I mean we're different but again that that in and of itself proves that that rot came into the entire world the known world at that time before it became before it became co-opted or attempted to be co-opted by the Roman Empire in the fourth century it and then from the Persian Empire spread into different areas Armenia is actually the first Christian nation King to adopt a is the third was heard the gospel the bish rot from an indigenous Armenian name Gregory the illuminator and actually embraced this rot as the national religion of our media in the year 301 over ten years before Constantine ever thought about becoming a Christian which he wasn't by the way but our meaning of first Christian nation also Persian Nasrallah we also spread into India and you had expressions of Christianity like this cross with a dove on it sitting on top of a lotus flower a very example of that contextualization I was talking about because lotus flowers in Buddhism symbolized new life and also it's on the three levels of the universe but it has the cross on top showing the supremacy of Christ you have a Chinese tailor that talks about Christianity coming into China in the 600's and it was actually known as the Persian religion in China and it talks about Christianity it calls it the Jing Chou somebody say Jing Chou again they didn't know what they didn't know what Christianity was they black they followed the luminous way the Jing Chou and so this and then you see here an Egyptian ankh representing an in a Christian Coptic monastery representing the the true life through the cross and so again this is just some examples to show that rot was global from the very beginning and it came into all these places not only without European involvement but also sometimes in spite of European oppression who were trying to stamp out the best rot thank you I want to thank our dear brother for his spirit in you rejoined her it's it's good when you're able to debate someone who has done some work and so that's why there was no way that I would have missed this because I will tell you that the scholarship of the brother on the other side is something that I respect it makes this so much more interesting to be able to have some conversations with someone who has studied something now let me say this to you having said that how dare you use introduced and the message spread as euphemisms for the destruction of world African civilization you can't just use those words and make it sound like it happened in a bloodless manner notice that our dear brother did not respond to the destruction of these temples to the fact that his honor goes into a very nation that he's crediting as a great nation and destroys it in order to make it Christian he needs to answer this that's the way that white people talk about it the message spread no you killed some black folk you defiled their temples that's what you did I will not allow you - right away the destruction of my ancestors and his we can't do that and let's go further when we say the message spread we're gonna talk about this more in the next round might even give you a peek of it in this round when we say the message spread and that there's contextualization let's understand that for the most part all of those members of this tradition are using the same book the book that has the same laws the book that has the same cultural norms and mores the book that has written out your African woman who relegates her as a second-class human I'm gonna show it to you know some of you were like that can't be listen when I have this conversation with my own mother who I love dearly she says oh we don't read those parts and I know many of you probably don't either and you know why you don't because you're good people I'm not questioning who you are but I am questioning what you do so that is why we have to talk very clearly about these issues once more I'm gonna show it again and hope that our dear brother responds to it I want you to see the desecration of the temples you can't simply say that the message spread how does it spread does this mean that people who you purport to pray to people who you purport to love people who you purport to honor are either killed defiled or made less than than human less than relevant just think of it for a second here if you say that they willingly gave in to Christianity you're saying something else you are saying that they're indigenous African traditions traditions that they practiced traditions that they held dear traditions that were copied that's in the next round traditions that were copied weren't good enough for them they had their own traditions they didn't just say I'm not doing nothing maybe I'm a just way across it didn't work that way they were forced if you defile a temple that has been in existence for three thousand years you are doing ISFET sin even if you don't practice the tradition if someone came up in here and turned this to a Kemetic shrine and you know that this is your kinetic brother talking to you not someone distant who sees you as inhuman human that would like to subjugate you you would raise hell on Sunday if you came back and I said well we did something with Pastor Mason he's not here anymore the message spread we can't use those euphemisms for the destruction of African civilization and as long as we do we are doing dishonor to our ancestors do you not see the Coptic cross carved into the temple afila explained it why is it that these things are carved after a Roman Emperor says that no one can practice these traditions anymore why does that happen and let's be clear the Ethiopian church this is something I didn't tell you before remember we talked about our friend from anteus the Siro the Greek that actually brings Christianity to Ethiopia well how does he do that he actually calls to the Coptic Church in Egypt the folks doing this to your sacred spaces to send reinforcements it's your rub you could call it biz write whatever you want this is this is this is wrong doing this you know very well that when people want to destroy you they don't send in themselves they send those people that look like you that's what happened so let's follow Rome to Egypt Egypt to Ethiopia Ethiopia to Nubia that's how this happens Rome is still in control it's easier to control the people when you have their souls this is the very reason why we see these Roman emperors decide by the way he also does something that I think is is is intellectually and scholarly it's classically sloppy he says well why would the Roman Church kill Christians and then project Christianity well what he's done once again is he's showing you the image of Donald Trump as a Cherokee you have to understand that it is true that the Roman Empire actually sacrificed Christians that's a fact it wasn't as many as we often hear because I think now that we dummest an analysis that might have been magnified but nonetheless people were killed and some of those people were Africans but guess what he did then he said you know what this empty this Empire is far-flung and everyone has different traditions and doing different things what's the best way for me to remain in control he coops Christianity before that Christianity was a small thing it is Constantine and Theodosius I hope you don't talk about that the adoshem decree if not if you don't I will just understand that those Emperor's are the ones that spread this tradition and sometimes they do with black gloves on yes what I call the sellouts the black gloves but it's still Rome if you say it spreads to India spreads to these places what are you saying that the people the traditions that those peoples followed were less than Christian that is what you're saying they were less than Christianity if you're driving a Toyota and I pull up in a Benz and you take the Benz you have said that the Benz is better than a Toyota right let's make it plain well if you say that the tradition spreads and people take it you are saying in fact that those people did not value their traditions that is not true and this is why these this define one takes place look at them Parv out the image of Aust and then steal her for their own this is a vile act that occurred look this is a little dark here can you see how they actually chiseled out her face as she suckled several the Christians did this those Christians who were actually created by Rome who then create the Ethiopian Christian reality that doubles back to destroy Nubia Rome couldn't destroy Nubia on its own that's a long story that I don't have time to tell you so they sent in reinforcements they use black gloves he has to talk about the defilement if he doesn't you allowing him to talk about the the murder of your ancestors and just sneeze at it I won't let him do that and I hope you won't either Christian or Kemetic Hebrew or Baptists I don't care what you call yourself if you're an African you should be upset about this I'm calling you African card is it okay for our ancestors to be defiled and destroyed is it okay for their traditions to be stolen he has to answer this thank you all right all right thank you brother Jabari I'm loving this conversation thank you brother um I think I did answer it actually even in a more powerful way than you have because I'm in agreement with you actually that what has happened to our ancestors in the name of a false Christianity I not only denounced it earlier but I even actually invoked the name of God against it I'm saying that actually not only is it just wrong on a moral ground it is wrong from divine perspective that what happened and what is happening to our ancestors in the false name of Christianity is sin in the eyes of God and so it is evil and wrong so in agreement with you there and I think I actually even said it stronger so a few points just you know to go back and address some of the points that you brought up which are great I I have to disagree with you and I would like to point you actually to some very important get is Aksumite contemporary evidence and sources which is another thing I would actually challenge you to bring some sources for a lot of things that you're saying because they I didn't hear any and it was what they were wholly lacking and so again when when you talk about you know when you talk about frumenty 'us you know and you and you intimate that there's an inappropriate relationship going on there and you're assuming that frumenty is tutored is king is Ana who was the Aksumite king of Ethiopia or Aksum as it was called in the fourth century when you're insinuating that there's an appropriate things there again no sources and also when you are repeating a false narrative that this was actually a child raising a king or this was a slave raising a child King actually again the thing I want to point you to is literally an article by geta to Haile who himself as an Ethiopian AVO Ethiopian scholar and he has a journal in an elective bullion bowl ndiana where in the article is called a homily attributed to st. fermentis and in this article he actually notes that the that actually is the common narrative that you've just regurgitated for us that frumenty us who was a Syrian not a Greek but he was from tyre that's not in Greece but that's what we now call Lebanon so who was a Syrian bishop who was himself a slave so notice the reversal actually there that that this rod actually comes into each Ethiopia by a slave we talk about Christianity coming to us as slaves but actually Christianity entered into Aksum by a Syrian slave who is himself a slave in the imperial court but in getting shoe highly his article he actually translates a homily that's written India is that has an anonymous author but it's attributed to ferment yes and in it it actually demonstrates evidence that asana was not a child when he was being discipled and and the the rock was shared with him by ferment is but actually he was already an adult and so that that's a piece of evidence that you might want to look at that would clarify that so this is an adult African King asana who hears the gospel who hears the bish rot from ferment seus a Syrian missionary who is a slave in his court and he freely chooses to embrace this rock that's another point that we have to be sure not to muddle now to your point it is it is absolutely true that Egyptian Nasser are we Christians acted violently towards traditional religious practitioners in Egypt who practice Kemetic religion that is absolutely true it's also true that that happened in the reverse that Egyptian traditional practitioners of religion and I'm gonna show you this in the next section also acted violently towards nasrallah so from the time of the beginning of the rot in commit in Egypt or kami and Coptic then there was inter-religious violence going both ways there were nasrallah we killing and and and desecrating temples then I'm gonna actually show you I'll be upfront and show you some evidence of and I'm also gonna show you some evidence of that happening in the opposite so this there was inter-religious violence going on and by the way that wasn't new because ancient Egypt and cush and Persia and Arabia all went to war with each other and killed each other so violence is not something that is unique to two viscera and even two kingdoms that claim to be nasrallah but the point is the other thing I want to clarify again is that you made it you also made another error when you said that is Ana destroy an ancient African kingdom he did not destroy it actually if you read the the to stay 'la India is that are attributed to him that are that were found in Axum that are both in the fourth century it actually says that he conquered them he went to war with them and he conquered them but even in the get is text itself which I would encourage you to read it actually says that then he then allowed them to remain and live in their own lands so he did not destroy a kingdom by any means and you have you got to read that say this off that's not for me but we can I can I continue that link after we're done now the other thing though is that and this is not an endorsement of Nasrallah violence by any means right I would I would condemn as Zhanna or any king using this right to do violence against someone else right but the thing is is that the point that we're the question that we were asked today is is bish wrought a white man's religion and the claims that have been made is that Christianity came to black people through colonialism and slavery and that's and and the very fact regardless of the fact that I denounced what does Ana did going to organs people and then allowing them to live in their own lands but even though I denounce that it doesn't change the fact that he himself and Aksumite African King freely chose to embrace this rock and not only him but all of the different he again all of the evidence that comes out of Aksum and of Egypt at that time is Christian in nature these are people who are choosing to do this and so this is not something that came from the Roman Empire so that point discounts the claim that it came from the Roman Empire Aksum was an independent nation and they had a slave from Syria that they heard the best route from and then he chose to embrace it what he did after that engaging in warfare which is wrong does not change the fact that he himself freely chose to embrace this and he it was not from the Roman Empire second point that that also was missed is that and also flat-out incorrect thing that was said but but but definitely mingled with some truth you made the claim that win from NTS went back up to Egypt that he made a connection with Athanasius who was the Bishop of the Egyptian Church at that time and then he went back and he was ordained as the first bishop yes very true and very you also that there was an alliance between Ethiopia and Egypt at the beginning of the rot in Ethiopia in Axum but that is true well you said that was not true though is that because there was an alliance between Aksum and Egypt that that then therefore is an indicator of a connection to Rome and it is actually the exact opposite because but I don't I don't know if you're aware of this but the thing about it is that and I agree with you also and you said Constantine tried to appropriate the rot and turn it into an agent of Roman supremacy I agree with you and that's why I denounce it and say that's a corruption and not the true teachings of Yeshua but the other thing that happened after and actually the sources that that indicate this our Roux finances church history Athanasius his own letter apologia ad Constantine them we're at the nation's himself and then also the two sailor that are written in get is that are from the fourth century so these are four primary sources I just indicated to you that you can corroborate what I'm saying that what happened actually after frumenty has went back to Egypt and what was going on in the Roman Empire actually was that the Roman Empire was under heretical leadership there was a group called Aryans that believed that Jesus was not God but that he was a created being this was a belief system that was rejected by Nasser are we all over the world not just in the Roman Empire not just because the Nicene Creed told them to another thing brother that you did not speak to was what I pointed out is that there was Christianity in Persia and then from Persia it spread into India into China freely and completely without any influence from the Roman Empire so again that point right there and I just showed you some also there I showed you some evidence of Christianity's of this rock that grew in China India Persia they didn't even know what the Nicene Creed was they didn't even know who they didn't know anything about all of the stuff that was going on in Rome this came in freely now the point you did make about that is that again this rot coming into these contexts and people walking away from their ancestral religion and joining becoming another always an indicator of devaluing who they are in their identity again you're missing something I said in my introduction which is that the Trott itself encourages and teaches us to both value our ancestry value our culture and also reject it at the same time there's broken things in all of our cultures there's sin in the black church there's sin in the kinetic movement there's sin in Hebrew Israelite movement their sin in the Catholic there is no group religion people group in this planet that is immune to misogyny homophobia violence warfare all of us are prone to these things right and so what happened is I'm showing you they're embracing Buddhist imagery they're embracing Hindu imagery in various places they're embracing Egyptian imagery so they're not totally walking away from their culture and on top of that the Roman Empire persecuted them for doing that because they said you're not like us you're not a white Roman Christian you can't do that and they said guess what we don't care we're gonna do it anyway and during this time with at the nations ordained from mencius Roman Empire was under Arian leadership Constantia the son of Constantine even Constantine himself embraced the Arian heresy and guess what they sent after nations into exile he was living in exile in Egypt kicked out of his own seed is that a picture of an Egyptian people who are in league with Rome they have tension and what happened at the introduction of Christianity Ethiopia Egyptians who were being marginalized by the Roman Empire because they were standing up for orthodoxy saying Jesus is God rejecting the white man's heresy that Jesus created created being from mencius and at the nation's and Aksum created an African Alliance where they embrace their own Orthodox theology and rejected Roman theology all at the same time

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