buddy we are now live we got one crazy crazy show for you guys today this is some amazing stuff you know the last few shows we've had youtubers on and and the reason why you have youtubers on is because you know the technical reasons I'm just learning how to do all this interview stuff from a technical standpoint as long as well as talking but I think after the last episode where we had up to four people chatting at once I think we have graduated so I wanted to reach out to somebody that I know personally that has some of the most craziest stories some Hollywood level stuff and he's willing to share it with you guys this is insanely rare to have somebody that has this experience and his ability to share it and hang out with us today so I just want to make sure before we get started that the audio levels are good please let me know in the chat Gavin is saying ten by ten which is pretty good awesome okay folks so we're ready to go I'm gonna bring in Raymond Boulanger right now Raymond you're live how's it going I'm fine hi everybody well well thanks for thanks for letting letting us a chat today and and bringing everybody in to you know hang out with us while we're stuck at home so you're stuck at home just like everybody else yeah well might as well enjoy it up but you got a lot of experience probably being isolated and stuff like that right off the bat any tips any tips to keep your mind go and you know people are stuck at home probably the first time they've been stuck at home what would you say to people right off the bat how do you keep your brain healthy when you're forced to hang out by yourself it's very simple you got to do it one day at a time don't worry about yesterday forget about it don't worry about the future yes get through the day today that's how I got through incarceration four long years several times seventy-five days in the mall at the time and stretch that's what you're really isolated so this to me is a bigger vigil and I think the best explanation that you could give to people with Hadfield put a video out on CBC News and he was spent a long time in isolation in the space station so you know that's pretty good advice when he gets and I would pretty well repeat the same thing you know just take care of yourself take care of your family reach out to those ones and be responsible you know it's not the younger people that are in danger it's the older people and this particular virus apparently it can be carried around for some time without people knowing it but to continue it you got to stay home so yeah you actually you know you got it you really got to discipline yourself and stay home there's always so it's just absolutely insane so your your story your life story of aviation career is your normal day is if somebody's biggest moment a lot of times and just the mole we've known each other for about almost a year now and it's just I remember when he first came to the hey I first came to the airport we were in Montreal working on DT D in fact right off the bat you were helping with DT D before I even heard of it so I'm gonna throw a picture up on the screen right now so if you're looking at screen there's a Pierre Benoit Jean and yourself there in the middle so you you knew both DT D you were there helping to save it before I even heard about it all right let's just start there a bit how did you hear about that airplane did you see that airplane for the last 27 years sitting there what was your thoughts on that airplane well I saw the aircraft shortly I remember that's over 30 years ago me the same in there and it flew in our solar power and they parked it there and I didn't I said okay I understood it was some Greek that we're gonna restore it all but just neglected it it said their part then over the years before I was incarcerated I used to see all the time because I used to park my airplane at see my sister 185 and I see it all the time and I'd always drive up and say what a shame what are they gonna do to this thing you know and then over the years it deteriorated and deteriorated and deteriorated to the point you know was ridiculous when I got out in 2013 I was back there and I saw it again it had really reached an advanced stage and then one day I went lying there was some fellas there ready to move it around and I went in and I started to help him you know clear the brushes the trees and everything sunk in the mud and the poor thing was in you could never believe the thing could fly again when you look at I mean you remember what you first saw it was far gone I mean but anyway we got involved in I love it I got the people organized that he had the fortitude to organize a group and get the planes everything's gone and all that but they were going to get this thing restored and then I couldn't get the financing here in Quebec you couldn't get enough people here that's why the first gang failed you know and they failed with the the were also had a I think was a Lockheed 18 that was dropped in a bush 100 miles north to chat reveal and sack they were four years they got a bunch of people in they got money and everything and as far as I know that airplane they pulled it out of the swamp and it's still sitting on the side of a lake up there hundred miles north of ship would have to be to know with a helicopter so that's the group I was interested in the first place so all right but you got a lot of experience with dc-3s you know a lot of fans here on plane sabers are huge dc-3 fans you want us go through your dc-3 experience before we get into the crazy stuff yeah well I got checked out on the dc-3 in I believe it was the summer of 1970 I'm not quite sure it could have been 69 or 70 by a fellow who's now dead do it with his English Dutch Sean Berger he flew for Canadian Marconi and they had their dc-3 equipped to do instrument calibration for runways and stuff like that using you know I guess testing in Rome our company and our navigation stuck and he checked me out on the dc-3 I mean I started flying dc-3 is right at the center I got worked up north one summer is flying dc-3 I flew a whole summer up on the gym is bathing and then I bought and sold DC trees all the time through 71 72 and including the the James Bay project in summer 71 so I had personally imported with my friend Frank and David we brought in about a dozen DC trees at that time I bought some in the States I bought this one from Fred W Smith he won AOH became eh I don't know where it is now but yeah I bought several DC trees here and they all got soul and worked on this James Bay project then I got a contract in South America I trained a bunch of pilots in Columbia on DC series for a couple of months and then I had contracts I used to go to Barbados from 75 76 77 and I flew a dc-3 8 poppadom 8p - do in for a tropic air I trained a bunch of their pilots on it and then I used to fly it all between the islands you and charters the regular static I'll put them on all the Caribbean islands you know from Barbados to Grenada Trinidad Tobago martini Guadeloupe used to do the occasional cigarette and Brazil run down to Guyana for the Playtex company we take down cigarettes and bring back pieces of his ears and fly peak and they would fly the ball from play they would put them in the Air France boring 747 and fly them back to play Playtex company in France so yeah MDC trees are there like flew them in North Africa so in places in the jack Tony O'Dowd said he flew with you at air clips oh yeah he flew with me there cuz I'm sorry also I think you would be I don't know I can't remember if III would be on the dc-3 at tropic air but I think Tony O'Dowd left her and he got a job at nor there at one point I'm not sure him and another fella them through a tropic area I'll try to remember his name too but I have an Irish guy that flew with me on the converse Bernie Wilkie he texted me yesterday and then I made him aware that the city he married a group from Irish International Airlines back there then Mia he quit the flying business and he move over to Ireland now he's a jewelry spin for all these years like a on the four fillets so I got a picture you send me a picture of an air clip so convair radial engine on is that a 440 and that's a 440 we had two of them they were ex Iberia emissions from Spain I was eight Papa bun and a Papa son ap - AP fu in an AP s you end both boys we good okay so let's just do a little bit before we get into crazy stuff cuz I want to know a bit beforehand so you're flying dc-3s and they're in the early 70s you are flying Connie's doing were you doing spraying with the carnies yeah we were doing blood work spray I we got the contract modern air spray a fellow from here some Hungarian guy had a company called modern air sprayed he had 3d series in 1978 and Quebec government got a little tired of volume era kids come up here and do it all to spray so they wanted a Quebec company so they put this guy in with DC trees and the Quebec government they called me up I was on holidays at my hotel down the coast there and they called me up three weeks before the spray blocks open no Manuel had been approved I'd be finished and nobody had been trained so she Slovenian who was the head of Quebec certain since Nelly a at the time called me up and said rage you think you could come and help us out here I said what's the score he says well yeah it's okay she need you right now I said how fast he says well if you can call me since I'll fly down with a 619 commander to pick you up no he says I said okay so I barely had time to pack my bag and I would I went I went up to review and sure enough within three weeks I finished the manual and I trained a whole bunch of guys there's a guy out there who might be watching this his name is Peter black who became eventually chief pilot for first air and I chained I checked him out right seat on the dc-3 he fluid me for a while and he flew with another guy I checked out called Richard know Brazil and I don't know when these guys disappeared too but I checked out the whole letici trees and we flew them that summer but the company was a wreck so the year after that they brought in male Crisler because he gave the contract to Conner fair and Connor fair bought these super counties from Christopher Flying Service I would have Grable or I think is in Wyoming Thermopolis long ago me so male came down in the summer of 79 with the carnies and he ran one off the runway in their Christian car engine so the pieces they could he landed a pair even hydraulic failure but load on it and it went off the end of the west end of the runway before I got there and I got there a couple of weeks after that they were just burying it so a man can't he checked me out on the Connie and I from one season with him and the next year I was the one I got checked out as the chick that she's checked pilot on the carnies so I traded all the other guys on the carnie keep her knee a bunch other fellas I chained him on to fly those two airplanes and I flew them for about four years and then shortly after I have been told about it I think that was in 84 yeah they go from you to John Travolta that's pretty cool just in its own self yeah John came up and spent three weeks up here flying around you know and then he he loved the airplane and Doug I think it was Doug guff a guy who replaced me on the carnies when I left because I went back to contracted Southern I couldn't go back in 84 season I was contracts with overlapping so who's the choice between one attain the most and one that was the most fun but at the time I took the one to pay the most I could have done another season on the carny but they retired them after that season and then he had only the TC sixes and the DC Forest which were a much less interesting airplane to fly uh you're telling me a story puts a carnie where he actually did a no engine Landon yeah that was his job and he pit wins yeah Transport Canada inspector and he was the one used to give the flight cast so and I checked out after they'll check me out I checked out John and he picked because he hadn't thrown for some time he had flown from TransCanada Airlines back in the 50s and to Connie's for their but he was now Transport Canada and I give him his check out and he checked out me and I keep earning the owners of con fair and one day we were out on our check ride and we couldn't get the nose wheel gear to go down for it and it was coming down as you know the good the gear goes down and goes forward and the thing was hanging you know at about a 30-degree angle back so we couldn't land of it that way and no amount of hand pumping was gonna do the trick so we decided we called up baguette ville and they sprayed the runway with fog and I lined it up on final and I had Charlotte he's standing behind me he Bernie in the right seat pumping the hydraulic and here was a guy who used to fly on Argus's for the Canadian Forces and cameras name was Daniel called Daniel I think right so I told fold i briefed by cool and I said look on short final and about a hundred feet I'm gonna call for all engines shut and I'm because I don't want to take a chance to hit any of the propellers and I didn't know if the doors here would collapse or not so I landed it and get that really don't side and just roll the sucker on and pumped and as the aircraft slowed down those who went slightly past the vertical and they hit hell so we stopped right there on the runway real fast ran up there and see a shut off the star valve to cut off the hydraulics to the nose wheel and everything looked fine so we called up and I flew it to Quebec City with the nose wheel down and into the hangar at Quebec City this any any and they fixed it and the next morning I threw it back to get my spray so that was a big miss event so I think we're probably the only ones that ever landed with an engine shut oh that's amazing we had youtuber Warren brown on the other day and his he only have shut down one engine it was a seven five seven and crews I couldn't even imagine shuttin all four engines now and to save this is the best part of the whole story folks to save the engines like that is a pure from a business and management and a maintenance point of view my hero move is so good yeah well that's our livelihood you know we just started the season we couldn't afford to lose another airplane like that you know so we opted it and of course I was fine with the boss and the boss said please let's try not break me here Frances don't worry about it we didn't put a scratch on it but you gotta understand those colonies were absolutely the most beautiful flying airplanes ever they were absolutely meant to fly there they were beautiful the handle maneuvered very well it was like a big finder you know just don't really have here a little store but she sure could move her ass around let me tell you so what other aircraft just before we get to something the border DC force D Phi D c4 is in Canada yeah I know I'm not in Canada they had DC force at Conair all I managed to do was get a couple fights in them like that you know other guys were doing checkouts I wanted to evaluate airplane and I was never that impressed with the dc4 I thought it was a bit of a pig you know and when it's loaded you know it doesn't perform too well especially in the augment but and I threw a couple of trips with them in South America and that was it didn't like them they barely get the bugger off the runway with a big low so they upgraded no the dc4 was ok but you couldn't know this could if you loaded it you had to be you couldn't fly it over gross not like some airplane that's very interesting because I asked that question all the time the dc4 dc-6 I know you have our dc-6 experience to dc-6 what's your thoughts on that aircraft for for loading my very well Mina my first dc-6 flight I got checked out in South Florida dc-6 by some guys that were ex Eastern Airlines guys you know they had retired and a bunch of guys that were from Vietnam War era and they were sort of hanging around in the Everglades and there was not too much to do you don't smoke and don't and stuff like that dopers marijuana was the big thing in those days so I got a call I was around oh just before Christmas in 73 I did that and then I would go every couple of months fly down to the Guajira in Columbia and load 35,000 pounds apart and the dc-6 and with the two engines on the right side still running just shut down the left ones where they loaded it off and he left a few go there and be a good way to fly back 25 mm I used to get data hundred fifty grand us plates John yeah it was kind of fun you see folks see how quickly that turns we're talking about you know blood burns spraying saving you know saving the forest saving engines everything's going good and then 35,000 pounds apart there DC six out of Florida with X eastern airline out of Columbia to slower yet oh my god okay so let's just okay let's jump into i'ma show a picture of your book you got your book out here the pilot mercenary in French the the mercenary pilot very iconic picture of you winking and we'll get to that later because that's that's towards I guess the end before DT D so how does a pilot from Quebec end up in Columbia what kind of steps took place for you to make that jump well I actually I ended up in Coney in 73 but I wouldn't did that the first time I did a trip with the dc-6 and that was kind of fun so a lot of my friends from Florida were flying in there and be throughout the 70s and 80s up until about 85 it was all pot at the time we had a lot of guys in South Florida c-46s I knew a whole bunch of guys I did a couple of flights for them to see 46 I don't have Norman Kaye down down the Colombian back alone apart from fellas that was a pretty good run and I love to see 46 or that great big noisy piece but it sure could do job you know and it could handle the hard running is really well much better than a dc-3 there's no comparison whatsoever and you could load it pretty good then you'd still be at a reasonably good way I I don't think we ever really went over an old with the things I would want to lose an engine out of 46 hundred degrees outside you know would be an overload by a couple of thousand pounds I don't think I'd be going too far but we pretty well flew them around the load five or six trips I did where that was fine but most of the dc-3 trips I did were inside the Columbia down into the jungle to pick up stuff to bring him up to a rallying point because when they bring stuff in you know it comes to 300 here 100 there 200 there and so forth and so forth so they gather it all up and when it's ready I would go so all those legs did all that so again this is guys he's speaking very quickly so you got it really digest what ray is saying here he was flying kay if you guys heard of the fire festival which was that big festival that they were supposed to have him in the Caribbean and it all fell apart and you're gonna do that this island called Norman Kaye and they were talking about it being the drugs my god this is the honey that Ray was pulling out of with curtiss c-46 --is get it like just let that sink in for a sec phone is absolutely crazy and then your seal of endorsement on the c-46 is very nice the c-46 is flying today to see 46 to 2 flights today of course with food nothing too crazy but a lot of airplanes grounded all around the world c-46 still going so let's keep on going with this story you're running dc-3s milk runs so you actually it's like a freight system how did that how did the system in Columbia work for you're basically running logistics nothing yeah you're running logistics like you're saying there's there's different airports to pickups and you have to get to a main hub you know if you use the airports you should lose use the term lightly because he's talking airports let's just say they were like strips act on other jungler nor on Amazon River when they clear enough off the end of the beach so you wouldn't snag it wingtips and bushes but they meet to learn waters were lower and then San was tight and they had the big tires on the dc-3 in the 46 I did one trip with this 46 like that you know and only sank about six inches in the butt so we couldn't load we had to cut the road down by about a thousand pounds so we could get it out of there but it worked you know but the dc-3 was better for that but what most of the trips were you know fairly functional you know you usually get three five 3,500 feet four thousand feet if you were lucky but for closing was probably the top generally we're operating under twenty five hundred foot strips which means you didn't have a lot of leeway so they sort of had to cut everything down both hands is a run away so that you came off the runway you weren't gonna run into anything anytime soon so you had pretty well if you just come straight out on runway heading you can get your speed and climb out you know so that was all to me but airplanes did the job how how is it how did how did the pay work where you're you're getting paid cash how did you store the cash like if you're getting paid cash and you're out flying did you always keep it with you but that's kind of dangerous no no oh they Jerry yet they would we would arrange for the crews were paid to me and the copilot and the bad guys but the captain is were the ones that were responsible for the Kunz all right so you got paid separately and much different I mean the guys like you know I'd give a co-pilot you get fifty thousand dollars you ask for a nice work the copilot and fifty thousand for the guys in the back and the captain would get talked about that it was considerably more be deposited in an account or in escrow somewhere safe before you do the flight and you would have to wait two or three weeks after you finished for the revenue to start coming in they generally they could pay you off once in two or three long payments depending on the amount of money involved was easy we stole that I had people could stash the stuff in Panama pretty quick you know interesting so you you're actually taking a risk with the aircraft and payment so yeah so the captains were home like you said to co-pilot and guys in the back getting cash money for a trip but you're actually part of an organization yeah that's that's really that's really cool so what what aircraft how did you get the aircraft like these aircraft where did they come from well you know usually they would they would make arrangements for people they knew like I've asked any that where this continent this particular congregating from that ran that and a lot of people that ran their companies like every see created companies like that I won't really mention their names because some of them are still operating they had caravels and all bunch of stuff like that and they DC's airplanes out to the drug guys so back in the old days we would leave Cali or Bogota with an airplane we planted aguar here and they'd already have people up here and it would paint another registration on the airplane right there they'd load it and gas it we go fly come back to the desert they paint its original registration back on it and state it back to where it came from but that problematic after a few years and we just Trudy their place up one way broke them off abandoned in Mexico or dumped them in the sea after you know we do will old drop them on the boats and then go like go a couple hundred miles either way with a boat with pre-positioned waiting for us and just barely thing in the water and you know you a ditch aircraft in the water yeah sure we just barely landed what type aircraft oh I've done that well I've done that with that dc-3 was and I put several Cessnas in one was involuntary and because the engine blew I just brought the load up here off the coast of the British Virgin Islands off Tortola and as I came back they just came apart boom like that so I mean he called back when the guys were the boat and I said don't move stay there so I limped back over there the boat was only 150 miles to go as opposed to 800 miles South America I wasn't gonna go over there we're just on dimension so I went belly right next to the boat got out and thinks oh that is so crazy oh my god like a perfectly good dc-3 and just put her in the water now you will notice that a lot of people ask me and I seen that videos about that wheel stick it out of his ass e46 to stop Norman Kaye that airplane belonged Andrew Barnes from Miami he's a young man actually was British he got his own company Mary though a lady whose husband whose father had some kind of innovation went up and he for my name to the owner money he bought that c-46 to fly Freight South Florida and he pulled around he did a lot of potholes because he and you taking it over to the woman cave he's working car dealers later so when he brought this thing over it sat there for a couple days and Carlos on one of his two assistants because all come on up and he wanted to see them say it's right I think I've been working with the graders on the run and stuff like that left a great big bump Santa the end of it so Andy Barnes even this damn thing and he took off to show Carlos it could fly they would have a circus with it and on one line looking back and he didn't notice the dirt Hill and so one hears hit the dirt being gear right off so and he took a fool around says whoops we couldn't get the hydraulics he couldn't get the other one up sign they better not land on the runway where that's gonna be one hell missed so the building is just a little more sure and something left we will still stick it down and at least it and they sort of skidded and ended up flipping over we got just funny so you can go in here today we can still see that big it's like and well that's Andy burns his airplane yeah I was oh my lord that is amazing that is probably one of the most iconic pictures that people send me is that c-46 in the water oh now y'all know where it came from see folks this is Webb's that's why I'm so excited like this is stuff the fact that Ray's talking to us and being so open and amazing like this is this is so so crazy so ray go through some aircraft like I'll just name random Eric laughs like Hercules did you fly the Herc yep what kind of stuff did you fly the hurt with when we fly in it yeah which where did you fly and what was in the back I was flying it mostly in Africa and all kinds of different stuff in there and I can't very to contractors but they were all like they say cover companies front companies and they were all basically CIA operated and operated through the United Nations and a couple other that's a mysterious entities from Belgium who I contracted with so I would get a lot of flights with that we had United Nations stuff no food medicine blankets all that different kind of stuff and then we would sometimes switch Carlos along the way we can cover with a load of things in the air like blankets medicine and all that we landed some remote strip we already had the coordinates and I would go all the blankets and it would come a team of mercenaries fully equipped armed to the teeth you know you call special squads you know special units special forces and we take them to predestined destiny and drop them off come back pick up the blankets take them it's all kinds of heck you can't you like that go around and we were competing with the Russians who had moved in there there are issues yeah the Antonov is in the air coming out of your Yi an-12 26s yeah you should know 76 is the peak jets and they used to fly 60 tons in those things that material inside the hole but the Russians had their little business you could hide almost 15 tons of crap in the floor those aircraft and it wouldn't even notice it on takeoff so they were doing all their smuggling and all the Russian guys were making their money that way they were bringing in whiskey and all kinds of stuff for smuggling the stuff out they never flew without putting something in the floor that was they were making their money and they were flying in routes on you see I knew she was which could carry twice whether her could carry and they would cut everybody's prices so now that's why you see all over there that was nothing but the illusions flying around they Russia's a pretty well taking over Africa now that is crazy so what was your thoughts on the hurt as an operating aircraft oh it's an agony Fannin's airplane it's a truck you know it's like a deep blue those are on steroids I think it's just it's a great airplane but the only ones you got to really be careful because you have structural problems with them you know spark racking and stuff like that I believe there's long vacations several where they've lost a wing in flight things like you know so you always had that in back of your mind in Angola Mozambique in those areas Nakano our concern wasn't really the structure in the airplane was not getting a missile up your ass you know means the time I was here they lost seven minutes got shot down Oh back I Hercules it used to be registered here in Canada under CM TSX and worked on the James big contract and I didn't it up over and then Golan I believe it got shot down in April of 89 I think something was this hanger this hanger that I'm in was DSX hanger for echo Bay oh yeah small world will be mines after James Bay and from a new baby mines it went over there and it went to tricep fatigue or Africa or a couple of those companies and when it got whacked it was a Filipino guy fight it I used to have two beers with this guy yeah I'm trying to remember his name's Morales something I can't remember clocking in the guy about five foot four you know for the pisses vinegar but it's a pretty good pilot but he took a lot of risks and he didn't get the idea because in order to to avoid missiles you have to stay high because the stickers are they were using had been supplied by the CIA to the Taliban and they made their way through to the Russians and the rest of that crap and ended up being supplied to the communist people or the communist rebels in Angola so they ended up with CIA weapon shoot that airplanes crewed by CIA people it was just funny ridiculous but you had to 70,000 feet you know on that 200 mile run because if you got below that the missile could reach it so that was a feat and this I ran out of fuel see you see them coming up Peter pouring and you drop and the trick was to to spiral when you got over the area we're supposed to land you came in and you spiraled down really tight that you could miss I couldn't log on it would still fire missiles at you but they couldn't log on because you're in a tight turn and this I can't during that time so you see him coming they go she's smoking right by it Oh My lordy that is so crazy so you mentioned the CIA let's touch on that how in the heck does the CIA fit into there you're working with the CIA then you stop working for the CIA like where's that where's that mix yeah it doesn't work that way you don't you're not CIA that's the madness and those are the guys in rank all those guys the suits but 90% of the people that do the dirty work Gianni or non-americans your contractors they work outside it's called black operas all the dirty [ __ ] and the dirty work and all that crap gets done like the Latin contra thing we did for the Contras that was an eagle for United States to participate in any action according to overthrow a democratically elected government so as I said this is a Nicaraguan were democratically elected communists that didn't suit the bill with Regan so they made a little deal in the backdoor you know to support the rebels and armed demand financing I mean Israel working with them and they had a bunch of people working with them but they've always used contractors like us anonymous so you couldn't identify yourself as a man trapped in any airplane to go fly it you just warned your flight suit underneath your underwear but you weren't enough to carry any papers died in for my identify so if you got whacked didn't want it cool leading back to him but eventually need to when Sawyer the Cooper got shot down by that sandanista guy on the border Nicaragua with the c-123 me and they admit the papers on board the Roadmaster in the back went out the back door especially because he was hooked up test at a time he went out there and he got captured by the Sandinistas so that blew it right out there so right away Americans are supplying this trying to overthrow us and Regan said right away it's to make new ones are trying to move the coke into into the United States did all that and what's his game at all it was the CIA everybody wants to learn about dad you could all look up movie kill the messenger the story of Gary war that was the guy that exposed that crap yeah I mean it's quite true he was the guy that exposed the guy went bad see you took a picture you put a camera in the back of the thing to fit your table and then twin Ricans broke loose Regan let the cat out the back that's when the whole thing with this guy rocks some God or instant yeah well general his name was Richard Secord John Poindexter was a u.s. Navy full Admiral got named Oliver North was a roomie Colonel got nailed and was a bunch of guys and these guys are all working in an office in the basement in the White House he already guys giving all the orders and the George Bush became president was the boss that leads to my son even Tennessee I ate the time with a fella called Felix Rodriguez but you know there always been CIA's been mixed up in trouble and in crisis in China no they always been running dope their dopes a lucrative business Royal Navy was built on opium you know the tea trade with children it's all paid for in opium the British Empress doctors he got rich on opium trade you know whose go back to history the opium wars and you'll find out because the British control all that if you're in Burma a mother area it once feeding the opium into China and he'd made a human leg you got young stay or didn't know you know you have to pay us in silver instead of yeah anyway that worked out so well done running for the the government with Nicky on starting business it's been done in all the time same thing in Afghanistan the hell do you think when the Taliban had the place became you know opium you all to be had for 10 years and then the Raja was like got kicked out any Americans came back in and whoops within months of the production they're up there supplying the only person in the world's opium again you think you're gonna let go of business like that oh my lord okay so what did you know Barry seal fairly well so if people if you're just joining us this is just not so I don't even want to start but the movie American made starring Tom Cruise with Barry seal let's just tap on that did you know Barry seal how was the movie how accurate was that movie you know the rumors ridiculous to begin with totally ridiculous nothing to do with reality started with Barry Cruz and Todd Zeile and Todd Barry seal big different tonkoon's is what five seven maybe hundred fifty pounds all dressed even with his high heels on Barry seal is like six foot one you know 285 285 pounds big difference big chubby guy a head like a buffalo pardon no pun intended here but quite different like now I knew Barry quite well I didn't have a mess a friend because he spent a lot of time in Florida but I ran into him several times in padua and several times in Florida in Miami we as most of his fire supposed to hang around at most in didn't bars on Northwest 36th Street you know your Carosi corner and me which I'm sure so these guys who get there and he was there a lot and they did a big mouth merry drank a lot and when he drank it all when he got into his cups there he'd be talking about this that it's still in the beans on everything but he actually got caught in Florida dealing quality I don't know if you remember those things they were like buzz feedback from the 60s 70s I used to call him Luigi Collins when Eric and he was selling that so he got busted by the DEA for that and he was only going to get like a five or six year sentence but he rolled over right away so he said to the DEA hey I'm flying flights for Escobar this we rolled over for that Oh big mistake so he got pursued fun he ended up a halfway house in that homes and that's where he got whacked no but I would tell you some stories there but I wouldn't give that away because I'm certain you're gonna get some comebacks cuz I know whack I'm sure he wasn't economies but so okay that is this crazy okay that is this crazy what was poeple like what was he like is the things that have been shown about him are they accurate what's your thoughts no they're not accurate at all they're not accurate at all of course he was ruthless he had to be to survive yeah but that's the way it is that's war and it's not really any difference you know I mean I I didn't differentiate between who's paying me and whatnot you know and you don't get into the moral questions because you're bombing people it doesn't matter who's paying for you if it's a CIA spy in you or if it's the drugs people that are paying you it's the same day a bunch of criminals so you know more legally speaking we don't give it that no there's no morals of that so but Pablo was a fairly calm fella very organized never raised his voice very calm but he was a strategic planner and he was the one that sort of planned all the stuff together and he worked well with his cousin his cousin was the guy who was out doing all the work in the field Pablo was mostly public relations yet all the roots and I was like that so the brother was the one that controlled much of the finance Roberto he was still alive and by the way my film crew had two hours interview with him recently you know that was the rain machine he was very nice about it but yeah Pablo was pretty good but until he made the mistake you're going into politics and you had too much money too much money too much money you know and he came from nothing and when you get that much money you start to misuse the power that that kind of money gives you that's what he did far too much and they started alienate all kinds of people and if you didn't agree with him well you sort of disappeared you know our God disappeared and when he went to run for Congress that didn't work they Matthew Mellie there and then he went after a couple of people candidate presidential candidates whacked was Popeye that shot the guy gallon and then he had the Honourable year the Justice Minister whacked two because the one spoke out against him and brought out the picture showing who had been convicted of drug trafficking before he went into Congress and that sort of his congressional career so he went after him backed him and then was a guy that oh yeah like expect that or stupid or was a big news for me and he wanted to write bad stuff about Carlos and they whacked him too you know so people were saying hey wait a minute you know just don't gotta back off here and then he he got into this war about the extradition thing he wanted the Colombian government to maintain policy where they would not extradite Colombian citizens into the United States no matter what anyone on that point after the two years of heavy duty violence in the streets isn't even a lot of [ __ ] bombs and people getting killed cop getting killed he had a price on his head anybody back up got a billion patient which was about 2,000 bucks at the time and that wasn't very good public relations and it's not good for the business and I was working in County at that time people in Cali are definitely different people all together they're like the bankers she types you know Executive times I supposed trap and the general lowlife petty crooks are all together so they got a little bit of a turf war damn it his real fight was not a war between Cali and II it was a war between Pablo and one of the or my previous or my brothers who ran the county cartel whom I worked for I would I worked for them before I met ya they were much more organized that say they were very well organized they ran really like a business like a corporation yeah everything was standardized and everything was they did a really good job but Pablo just go for it no he was the one that really started cocaine about 85 or 86 and it started all the marijuana got forgotten and everybody was going into the coal business said where are the roots you know so people would pony back with him they would give him his bare loads I need make sure it got to Miami or Los Angeles or New York and he would cover and he would charge him like 20 or 25 percent of their stuff and but he would deliver their goods but he also guaranteed if there was a loss he would pay the cost of it so that's why I got everybody to piggyback for his loads and that's how he really built up a lot of money he was flying other people she get five or six other guys who put stuff on him no and they ate 25 to 30% of their stuff the pattern Oh My lordy I just it's hard to process everybody that's watching right now it's just trying to process everything like this right now it says absolutely mind-bending so you mentioned that c-123 crashed the provider was that at the end of American made did I think that was that what their did they were showing the provider going down you remember seeing that see they showed that they probably because Barry shield wasn't involved with that that was a Cooper and sort of refine it and that 123 I had seen it because I've been up in Miami drop and I rolled off with the King here and I stopped over by hit the hangar parked on the ramp and three days later was down in Nicaragua got shot down on orbit so we do you see I err because it was parked on the southern air transport ramp no and when he went down there they didn't take the documentation and the paperwork out of there and that's how they found out that the southern air transport was behind the ship where they started appearing there and then this guy Yugi has infused his name was he was from he trying to think when the Sandinistas captured him well he spilled the beans on everybody can't reach over so the thing blew sky high that was Operation but I wonder the c-123 you saw in the movie was certainly not that one because it got whacked and shot down I believe it ended up as a restaurant somewhere what's left of it somewhere in Honduras think of Roatan I'm not sure anyone I'll check it out but it's down there somewhere they took the rest of the fuselage because they found the rest of it in the bush but I am Not sure with that it was not the same airplane another that do you have much experience find the provider no I hated it nope didn't like it at all yeah it's not yeah didn't perform that well when it load on it yeah yeah the jet engines never worked I wonder why they didn't take the damn things off because it was just extra weight for nothing that's a mistake the damn things off no but can we just drag for nothing because he never used him but no it wasn't it was a it wasn't a good airplane easy to load I guess is probably probably the one good part yeah I'll give you an example I felt the client it felt like flying a c40 fix that to us he 26:26 wait you know like you're trying to win the whale you know there's not a nice place I wasn't here friend it was my final load on it um now we'll tell me about this Corsair story that I just this alone what that how did you end up in that in that cockpit of a Corsair well I ended up going down for a scuba diving holiday row ten in Guatemala off the coast of Honduras and they ended up traveling Shiprock Tamala and we saw him saying sitting outside a hangar we do an air force back in the football Wars where they fought between quantum all and Horner's he had these four named ordinate lasted we're actually of course Aryan that have shetan down a Mustang when Stein had Mustangs and once I had the Corsairs and after that that word that was just a part the damn things here and sort of bend them and there were various stages of disrepair but there was proposed five or six of them were in good song so I made a deal what it may in South Florida just in the friend of mine and we got together got some money and we went paid I think I think we paid three thousand bucks for it we cranked it up change my own okay at all okey the futures you know cranked it up and I said okay this can't be much more difficult to fly than an honor or something like that so I give this thing up and take it off and I run it up and down around me a couple of times it feels pretty good you know holding this the tail wheel down once you get it up past 40 knots or so you can stick stick forward in there you got a lot of control you can see what you're going cuz generally you can't see nothing no big nose oh you're gonna look out the side with the canopy open anyway I got it in here I said okay this is flying pretty nice I've got the gear feeding up and it just shoved the throttle like forward okay I've heard about torque you know I'm not roll and almost upside down I wrote about a hundred twenty degrees to the right you know Olivia [ __ ] out of myself before I remember to push the stick forward and then I managed to roll it back around the first hour and a half of flight there it took me to get my bum on squeeze because my I scared the crap out of no but I got it wrong with it yeah Levin we sold it and I went back months later and got another one but I didn't do the same thing at takeoff and real careful but it's a two-man airplane love the course it's absolutely fun to fly my yeah it's ended up in Texas I actually wanted the Mustangs that's what I was after but they everybody had dibs on those you couldn't get near them oh my lord okay like that is just problem my god even just trying to think of like those are those are two three million dollar airplanes right now there's a beautiful deer get Mikey he and I used to go see it all the time you don't watch it fly every summer I go up there since I got a deal but I think was not this last summer the one before you're pranking on landing I think you had a bit of a problem when he ningen me ran off the runway landing so there's about a million and a half dollars I've got pictures off I'm sorry it broke my heart just to see it like that that's my daughter's plane but I don't know when he's done with him tell us you're telling me that wait for your settlement from insurance or what they're gonna do but they're playing women there's no doubt about it because maybe a meaning large damage of course here you know the airplane it's a four million dollar airplane it's better than that gee it's beautiful and he's got several other stuff over there he sold out with him he's so dirty King so there okay so let's go through just list them all the airplane types that you could come up with what airplane types have you remembered flying start and we I started on a g3 in 1964 I stolen April 6 1965 sorry I sold it on rocky 3 and Wabash Luther land I was set so low by a nice instructor fella called Roy McIntosh she's an engineer with diamond ore and he ran the Flying Club there and I flew around there where he Canuck friend Wayne tuck and then I call my dad and his friends had an arrow club arrow club but emotionally we had Cessna 172 in 1960 we had a four-day ercoupe not en w no NW that was tux anyway a feat cannot so that was a nice little flight airplane stick your Noma side by side now I thought that was pretty neat new airplane I think your dad has one of those does he love leave America and wait and then I went up you know did the whole gamut assassins and beach crafts and all that stuff and then through the bush you know Norsemen beaver otter twin beach they donít win beach time hundred hours on beaches no need to reach 18 had a cup of myself I tuned him to 88 teams one I bought in Harrisburg Pennsylvania in the summer of 1970 and it was had 800 hours on it since new brand new was an executive h18 and they've had their the picture windows in his head aren't ia Nephi's but fuel-injected and I come back with the spare parts and the spare engine Dallas Airmotive created and I cannot that $49,500 didn't even have a thousand I was on it here for about two meters in Montreal when they were building the James Bay thing and we did have companies that were building the roads and bridges up here and when you sit down to the company that did all the survey for the road so I kept both beaches and then I got another one from the mayor of Philadelphia saying this reason Frank Rizzo or Rizzuto or something whatever its name was but he had beautiful beach 18 another 1964 age and that was the November to 69 Virgin Mary and I brought her up here and she became Romeo Quebec delta r QT the other one Levante one one five one sierra and that became FTV here so i have no idea where they are most beaches now they were here they were just beautiful hurricanes to fly this thing could go forever nice and quiet you know I had 318 gallons of fuel in it beautiful airplanes and you know there's the usual cabinet a couple of airplanes that don't like the f27 never might actually not the f27 the Fairchild 227 I did my last check right at Noir here on one of those at Allegheny in Pittsburgh - the fax Mac software machine right beside the simulator lost control there a single engine failure after takeoff from Tom's controller whack oh that was pretty funny but that and then the Boeing's that went through the caramels the Boeing's in South America the 727 the 707 I got checked out on the dc-8 in norther as a flight engineer from there for many years even the ECA and then I went over to Holland and I ended up great seat on the dc-8 for a company flying from Houston to confession so I did that contract for four months and I logged about 600 hours a time there on the right seat and then they put me in the left seat and I did about another 300 hours in the back seat on a 62 series outside loved the airplanes and I used to go and I'll break that out of 6,000 foot gone so what about what about the small jets did you do any runs with Learjet certainly yeah I did you said you are running out of Colombia to Mexico with an air jet from Venezuela actually weather here when they practice 200 stuff in the floor you know the next he comes to find the thing down but that was easy that was easy work he's all paid for him the people were in on it so the Mexicans would fly it down to about a cable in Venezuela and their crew would get out my guys would pick it up they've written back on ego which is an International Airport of a hundred miles from your table and they take all the seats in the four out and they pack 200 kilos in the floor you know all flat stuff and then he closed it all up and I fly up chimeric I believe in the morning and I'd kick up the other game in the other Mexican fly all the way back to Mexico with him and that was it man and get take the plane and deliver their plane and get out take the plane to Mexico no but the rest of the fight once with a saber line or 65 which was kind of nice I checked myself out on it and Calvin me and another guy we'd never thrown a thing the Americans brought it in they sold it duck I say president they parked it there so they called us up we said you you can you slide a segment I said you can you open the door I said if you can open the door we can fly it things well we checked ourselves out on the same frequency five three yards of twine around cavity but it very nice surprise very easy yeah beautiful airplane that sucker could go to 45,000 feet without batting an eyelid oh and there's still my great Jim hey you don't even well there's new stuff coming out yeah there's still my favorites if I was sleeping the private jet I'd spend half a million u.s. and I could get a saber 65 some things were great but a lot of guys were doing drug runs with him from Mexico the Mexicans but I only did one with the saber Rider and they left they had me leave it there I was trying to disappoint it because I was hoping to get a few more trips sir is this safe it's smoke right the hell out of there me you know they think I'm like a bat out of hell and they even the phone you didn't have to step climbing you could go straight up to 45,000 feet I miss sucking rock or rock on at 0.85 the caboose blade was fast the airplane so you mentioned some airplanes last flight can you just run through quickly what were some airplanes that you were the last person to fly meaning that they were scrapped or abandoned after all the caramel corn beers Caravelle DC Six's DC trees a couple of times Cessna Titan for one several King years left him in the desert yeah I actually did some test line with the 727-100 series and but I got caught up here before I actually could do a flight with the thing but I did the test likes this he was practically dropping out the back don't you know in the air still they were going out in the back and that didn't work too well does the airplane didn't fly too well on 200 knots with Kira and the door open and it was just no way to get it sufficiently stable you know at 200 feet it's not exactly your it's that's not exactly what it's designed for well they use it other drug lord he disappeared his name was you'll see his face in that new narcho series Mexico narcos fixer the guy caught Amado Carrillo Fuentes they used to call him the king of the sky that's the guy and he was working with people in Cali used to fly it up to the desert at 20 tons at the time in the airplane and he did dog no-self on a dozen flights but they would move him in that period and I remember one occasion they had landed the 727 in the desert the army was there waiting and loading it but the DEA was flying around at 15,000 feet with a citation you know taking pictures of all this [ __ ] and then he came down Laura said no no no this is what's going on and the Mexican said no no we got them the truth they're caramel jets but the guys had left two caramels about 200 miles farther away with four or 500 kilos in each one empty and they seized those ones they said we thought that we got the DC VA we said no no no that's not the airplane we're looking at it's the Boeing it's abhorrent they said no no I'm Mexican so why don't we got worried and they film it you could see it on infrared the last trips they get and these deeds were airplanes were from the safety company economy frequency capable me and his face we fixed we don't know what happened to him we did the fear but the four surgeons that did his face stuff like that name we discovered the pick'm a couple of months later they found them in barrels all chopped up in pieces and pickle you know in acid so that's what happened when he did the surgery on that sucker so nobody really knows if they changed his face and he disappeared and killed them because if we'd only killed them because they they found the remains of the foreigner surgeons and we never anybody nobody ever heard it how do you French is after that he sort of vanished but he yet means when he was - she didn't Mexico about 20 times at the time and he was working and not the Guzman it started as a chapel whose men henchmen you know and he built up and he pretty well took over from Chapel so you mentioned flying in New Mexico I'm gonna show the one picture here and this is the middle screen is it an arrow command turbo commander yeah that was a commander yeah that was a commitment one time commander 1000 now link and what happened why is it on a road why is it off the road mile and a deer and then he went to turn around no I don't know why I needed if you need to turn around but he went off to the left with the site and he went to turn around and he dumped the nosewheel over the side it was about an 8 inch deep 10 inch drop the pavement and the nosewheel dropped over there and of course the nosewheel on the commander is the worst part of it they're always breaking I hated the damn airplane seas are useless because it knows the slightest thing it back it's gone I've been I've lost in New Zealand I didn't used to use airplanes at one point I said no no no I've come up to use a strip and there's a god damn commander sitting on the strip because the guy ripped off the nosewheel so he's blocked up the room stripped and also and we don't have any machinery to move it off of there I had one guys come in with a farmer one day with a team of oxen the Pollard anything off the runway so I could use the run over there get this thing off in a runway so didn't everything to push away things about 10 or 15 guys trying to push this thing go the horse that knows we were stuck in the ground and everything and ripped off but Nick mind got some kind of skin under your nose and they got a couple of peat oxen and ropes in everything all the damn thing off there but yeah that's what he did that time he came to pick us up we had flown an economy of up there we had six tons in it and they unloaded it and left the fuel truck you see there was the Mexicans that came after police oh so yeah let me show this picture here this is a this is a convair 580 what is that that is that a convert 580 yeah so is this the same day yeah so you land with the convair and you show up and this guy's 10 50 minutes behind us we were that way we were our job was to ban in the airplane here that's your plane wasn't coming back that was kind of yeah last trip that was its last trip got abandoned the cops seized it I don't know where it is it ended up in Mexico somewhere if you whatever there actually you see what they brought the fuel truck in they filled it up if you put gas in root down him on today so I heard I don't know what went after that but our job was to fly it in and get the hell out of there we were supposed to get back in the commander and fly back to Kelly but we didn't because the guy ripped off the nosewheel so I ended up seven hour drive down to one today and then then the next day I got down to Veracruz took the paint back take the flight back to Cancun and stayed at home for a month and a half now how do you how do you transfer the cash to the border or is it all done through hangouts no the cash stays mostly done through accountants you don't see that occasionally some of the Mexican flights when when we did fly back with King airs they would occasionally bag give you pallets of money to fly back that happened once or twice yeah that happened a couple of times well no I remember the kinker I had 30 or 40 million dollars in cash in the qinger on pallets all packed they tack it you don't seal it you know Stella Fame started it see like plastic ceiling take you sucked the air out the bag vacuum seal it was called and then they used to weigh the money they got to the point with much of it flying around and they just waited a million dollars wait so much no because everything was packaged in hundred dollar bills and packaged in ten thousand dollar packages some were a hundred thousand dollars and some were you know that some pallets were a million generally a pallet was a million dollars on oh my god so like even something simple like like going out for supper after an event like this like having like he must just have stacks of hundreds on you like how was that like just paying for things and tipping for hundred-dollar bills or did you keep that on the DL down low we used to do a kind of kind of City stuff like that every now and then I take a holiday I come up here to bunch you all you know sometimes it's summer front one and I'd really sweet four seasons or the sharing Center cost me 50 grand for the month and I always brought a key to will go for the girls you don't have fun I don't do it myself but I would always bring my own go because everybody Thomas complaining all the time this is the neck done of course I could bring pure Peruvian flake and you know got boys after the wild I've got annoying because people just come around yet just for the coke you know and I'm not really I didn't like being I didn't like the attention it got me so I I for going that sort of stuff no those were in the old days we're pretty well you know oh that's good [ __ ] why is that part of it set so there's some lessons I guess some overall lessons is you you you didn't partake any of the crazy stuff like in using you neither's drugs correct like you you just you know there's a job and just got it done kind of thing yeah it's a job that's all you know mister job it's a good-paying job and that's it you know and it's a risk you never really paid much attention to the money it gets to be a point after well you know I've know guys in Columbia they're so paranoid they used to I don't throw any more but the younger guys I knew a lot of guys that were 25 30 years old 15 20 billion dollars easy you know man they would keep the money in their house but then they'd be paranoid you go up to the restaurant for dinner or two drinks and they're always nervous you know it couldn't be an ACCI we're always worried about the money Jesus money you know and actually was travelers Escobar his mother asked her I said Jesus is getting ridiculous we don't to do with the stand money anymore you know so I arranged to have it all paid into our foundation so I got paid into a foundation at one point and a foundation without you know just to do general stuff you know like it make sure kids have breakfast when you go to school in the morning it had books we had offices around where people who were poor could go and get money they lost their jobs or stuff like that you know table set up stuff like that so I said hey I don't need that much so I big I keep about a quarter of what I was making everything you'd ever need and I bought I sometime was paid in real estate and Eagles and ending or jewelry or whatever but the beauty of state I kept I gave to my ex-girlfriend that she sold it all that off one point after I got captured but the money I really never paid much attention to that it became more of a pain in the ass you know once you go million bucks but you really can't eat off one created time you know and I'm not in today I had several houses but you know you kind of feel stupid you know you and your girlfriend and the cat the dog an eighteen room house you know so that you know you know I feel it easy I thought I would I always thought I wanted to live in a castle in Scotland but after I think then these big houses I said I don't like this too big so there's only so much you can do with it oh lordy so how so fear not doing it for the money like you said is is there is there like an obligation at some point to do these trips like for the organisation ever no but when you undertake to do something you have to deliver you know when you do it find it you get the choice you can you can offer no calling it's a one in this trip okay what does it in mom I always got to pick the airplane sometimes they call me up and they have a plane they call me up they had a commander I'd say thank you bye don't want to talk to you and they say can we call you next week I said if you have a King Air 200 call me next week and I says I don't find like I don't right there you know nice airplanes my accent my boss had one yet and the only time I used it was in Colombia when I was to go ride from Cali go pick up a girlfriend and he bagged a or fly up to the coast for you we can go swimmin I used the commander just jumped in there with the girlfriend I'm hidden most for them commander was just fine because you're landing on paper on wheezing no that's a nice faster here playing it's actually makes to handle but yeah but otherwise no oh okay it's been an hour and we have even talked about the big event of the event that changed everything for you because at the end you know you know eventually stuff happens so I'm going to showing a picture on there right now there's a convair 580 it's snowy and yeah it looks like it's the middle of the bush what is happening here can you tell us a story in your own words what actually oh actually it's not in the bush it's actually it's just off to decided to run away with the road yeah the road that leads down to the comes in there so there's a big clearing there and I was up there this September taking pictures and you'll see in the video in there when the documentary comes out on discovery in the fall we took pictures all up there and you can see that the trees have drawn to that Creek axillary and like at 20 odd years the trees growing you know but that was fairly clear at the time and I just parked it off to the side and run away so I wouldn't leave it sitting there in the middle of the runway where it's visible you know but I moved it over there because here playing being white it just in case anybody trying over got see you think so but you had to be really on top of it before you can see it so let's just start from the beginning where where did this convair start out from where were you going and just go through the trip just take us what happened because this story is Legendary's now I got a call in 1992 in in August of 1992 I was working in Europe I was at my office in Belgium because she's my main business at the time was arms-dealing know I was dealing with working with a Belgian company he's selling weapons arms and different stuff and I got a call from somebody in Colombia it said look we got this thing we're working with the challenges in Montreal and we're trying trying for a couple of years to get a load up to the air Pablo tried in 89 once with a dc-3 and the PC treaty can get too far it ended up getting shot up by a Colombian Air Force after takeoff or a test plane empty so I didn't even try that again and babbler wasn't that interested me in there so this was the County people and they contacted somebody there somebody knew me CIA $5 maybe they got my number and they called me up so they gave me another person that knows oh here in Managua says could you [ __ ] airplane out of Colombia to Canada I said yeah but I can't know what's the whole deal he said could you come to much y'all and talk about it I said okay but I said before I go to Montreal Isis you're gonna I'm gonna charge your consulting fee so right away he says well okay what's your what's your fee I said well first of all for me to get on a bank what we're talk to you it's gonna cost you 50,000 bucks that's George Washington's I don't want no one man the funny money when you clean so they said fine so I came over I met up with him and they gave me the score and they were said we had tried to fly it in by the north fly up in antique you know and come in to the top and I said that's totally insane so I said yeah I can do this so I took a couple of their guys in my 185 and I flew them up to check out the runways they had suggested and I nixed that right away and on the way back down I stopped that runway in KC and I had one of the guys with me and I said you see I parked them in us if this is where you're gonna park your truck you're gonna park right here when I arrived at 6 o'clock in the morning I want your truck right there this is x marks the spot not over there not over there I'm going to land this way I'm gonna come this way you're going to be there you're gonna bring me some fuel a couple of generators and pumps and I put some gas in my clean meanwhile you're gonna unload and then I was on the ground 18 minutes I came up with the King here first I get a fight with the King here on August 27th I came straight up from Colombia 500 keys in it 17 Jerry Kansas 20 Jerry 17 gallon jerry cans of fuel plastic ones and we did the fight took nine hours of 50 minutes landed there the guy who was there to stuff gas the plane took the hell out of there landed down the coast ladies first tanker truck he didn't have enough fuel in him so I had wait two hours for nickel film his fuel truck and he filled it up so about 10:30 in the morning I took off again hit straight south headed up towards Bermuda and just east of Bermuda headed south and I was back in Columbia around 7 o'clock that evening so then they set up the deal for the big one and we worked on that for a month or two and I got ready in November actually I was ready to begin e September middle of September to do it but the guys up here same ones that abandoned us at the runway said they're all there's all kinds of people around the runway now you know it's too dangerous so finally we got to the end it was the 19th of November that was it getting home and I told the people I said look just know this week I ain't going meanwhile they had a tall pile so I said okay we'll go so I did the fight and I come up there and sure enough dumb bastards weren't there he left at 7:30 in the morning because he'd been freezing go that's alcohol night and the the one guy decided that they were even if she'll truck everybody left and I got their corner tonight nobody I'm solo and that's where you see the airplane sit-ins you know but then that's not that's not the whole thing what about the flight you got to talk about the flight Oh plate well that was okay as soon as I took off I picked up the airplane around five o'clock in the afternoon and woke up from the company but they had their company pilot and the crew on board and they flew it up to the desert yeah I flew in the back and the guy at dam here crashed in Atlanta I thought he would come up through the wings so I had to go to do structural inspection of the damn airplane after yeah then he got out I remember his name and I said I hope you didn't bust it so anyway it took about two hours to get it all ready and meanwhile I walk up and down runway and check out make sure there's no big homes you know and we piled into the dancing around ten o'clock and evening it over there with four thousand three hundred and forty three kilos two coke and a 45 gallon forty five barrels of fuel you saw there which put me at about seventy thousand pounds seventy two thousand pounds which is pretty Gabby it's about twelve thousand pounds overweight so but it went off pretty good so I just held it on the runway and you suck up every inch of runway in as you come off the end of that runway there cabin the famous which you'll see in the documentary because the gums meant down and film them all there's a big crescent-shaped beach that goes right off the end of the runway so I stayed in ground effect I just put the airplane off clean the gear up really fast accelerate don't dare pull the nose up more than a degree or two because you just wash out and then you get in the ground effect and keep your plane in ground effect can accelerate to about 185 knots before you start pulling back a little bit but then even very chemically nose up and eventually once you get past under than 85 knots she climbs pretty good and it she burns out a fuel pretty fast so the weight goes down quick so and once she get I got her up to 24,000 feet and she's just smoking along but just after takeoff I got a call saying they got indication it was asleep took off out of Panama I think is one of the US Customs Orion's you know for drug interdiction and he had taken off course he had got information that from from from Bogota that the airplane was leaving but he had no idea what was going so he went out he took off on a Panama and I knew my weight so normally I would fly up latitude 60 and so I said okay I would cross right over a minicam Republic and straight up by a Bermuda and then cut in by Yarmouth Nova Scotia paronella st. John River New Brunswick and cut across but that failed my plan here so getting this slick after me I said okay so I went farther east I went down to that at 57 degrees considerably farther east and I flew straight up the middle atlantic and he came out and he got one in about sixty miles he had to go back then they said another jet I would Porto Rico fan he got a winner about 60 miles and he had to go back and they said another one out of Long Island but he didn't get anywhere near me you only got about 200 miles close and he had to go back he got just past me and then he went back along and then they could any therefore his dispatch the two f-18s out of Goose Bay at that time I was flying in at storm when Elvis warmth ass kicked up there and you go by this hanging on like that I don't even try together there shaking itself to pieces and I'm smoking right along he turns and I ain't gonna slow this thing down for nothing and I pulled out of the clouds about 100 miles off the coast of Nova Scotia no one behold there's the two f-18s at about myself in the clock position behind me so and I listened to him cuz I have to scan him said I hear these guys are getting pretty critical on fuel because they left Goose Bay to come out 500 miles Indialantic but they came on afterburner that didn't make sense to me yes these guys are they gonna do patrolling up and down the coast I'm coming towards you no I've come and eat your way boys so they ran out of their fuel and we're laughing so by the time I saw him I'm looking at my watch and taking bets at the carpet how long it's gonna last right away we heard one we're short on fuel and he had been in to Edmonton so the other one was smells like in kilometers away from me and I said okay so he's gonna be next person so I figure I gave another ten minutes and then I started down parallel to the st. John River find northbound he came right inside me right up to die to me and he's flagging me you know telling me that making signals to go down go down without cost so he's flying around me and around me like that up in the pumping down I try to flag me meanwhile I'm going down all the time by the time I got down to 8,000 feet he's following me the Lord he goes faster he's gonna run out of gas sure enough I hear him calling and calling to his body - got you yeah no it wasn't ready yet but eventually he had to peel off and off he went and as soon as he left I was a thousand P so I dropped down at 200 feet right there real quick and through the rest of the way last 600 miles I get on a treetop level 200 feet with the car there and that's pretty much how I got no fuel left guess you know downloadables engines suck up fuel you ought to know that your lecture probably just want five thousand thousand Alberta and discontent two thousand pounds an hour no easy so I got the Casey that was pretty well there on the fumes so you know they said well why didn't you burn the airplane s is burning with what me and I got taken there was nobody there all the tire tracks for the course and all that were there fresh in the snow but everybody thought I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on so if they were there would you have got away with it of course we got away with it no knew where I was that's just costing 40 members okay that I planned my choice it was my choice did you know they were supposed to have explosives and everything they had but they weren't aired you know cuz I would decide depending on and the amount of heat that I got coming up there was no way I was going to run the gauntlet going back south so it was my choice to leave the airplane so they I had that option I could you know if everything went well and I didn't get dejected I would bring the air from the deck but under the circumstances I said no the airplane ain't going anywhere I wouldn't I didn't get to make a choice oh yeah they had it in there I would have taken a truck and that's with my cou right wait my job is done once I deliver goods my job is done no that's up get him to stay there and take care of the rest of the stuff our job we paid for we deliver from A to B and that was it oh my lorry so I'm I'm showing the video here right now and it's kind of like on a loop and it's showing all this stuff how did they find you so you're basically just sitting there with an airplane did you find a cabin or something no oh no around 12:30 I went that second time I went to the village hitchhike and I came back and I knew you I kind of knew he was nobody here so I gotta get out of here so I made a phone call to a company in LAC say yeah in Robert helped to send Ian a stick and I gave him a cockamamie story that I was on my way not terribly ferry flight I had a problem constant speed drive and I had to put down in Casey so could you come and pick me up and flying me and the crew down and watch you all and bring back a team in mechanics I said okay I'll be there in about an hour so I went back with him took a ride and got back to the airport and as I was out on the runway with the old guy who drove me back and my three crewmen were sitting in his truck I was waiting on runway for the Aston and all of a sudden over the top of the trees come the two f-18s and they're smoking right there over treetop level right over there going pretty damn fast and also the guys in the truck panic Mikey Columbia's panic and took off with the guy struck me I didn't know but I couldn't walk the f50 czar mmm you've already spotted the airplane and but then I found that out later and I'll tell you why later on but the three guys my three crewmen took off the old guy stand here looking at me takes off it's 12 kilometers back to the town the little village I mean there's like really just maybe seven or eight Jack's there along the railroad track so he goes and I'm standing there and I couldn't believe it like yeah look at that and I'm standing there with my hands in my pockets scratching my nuts and I'm looking at his five times a coin is to open God and nowhere I said this is impossible I said oh [ __ ] so I headed for the road and started hitchhiking - I got picked up by a stone consolidated truck and the guy said you the pilot I said yep he says well you know there's a police building out now they know that you're here and he said we've been ordered not to provide any assistance I said okay well I'm not gonna stand around here says well I'm going down to the cab it's about 40 kilometers come on I said might as well so I went along with him and that we sitting down here near officer Nicol camp when you guys CMP arrived a couple of hundred about two hours later and they arrived there and the guy walks in the office and I'm on the phone and he says hey yeah I need to use that phone you get off the phone and says I'm wonderful but I'm finish talking to you she has I'm RCMP get off the damn phone I said go [ __ ] yourself I don't care and he said I said yeah I am he says well you're under arrest I said okay here you can add the phone so that was it they were pretty nice about it very nice I was mad fat baby he put me in the pickup truck with one guy and he drove me all the back all the way up back to the airplane while they were getting all her stuff calling it and he said what's in the air versus cocaine he said you know how much I said well I didn't cover it I said but it's there's a lot so drove all the way back up they didn't even cuff me or anything I drove up and I'm sitting in the pickup truck and the qpp who had fall over in the morning they had noticed something and they were trying to claim that they'd saw the airplane at 10 o'clock in the morning so not CMP guy in front of the pickup qpp guy in front and they're both arguing who's the resident said the RCMP selling the qpp guy get the hell out of here I'm already at something I rested in the truck he said the other ones are being rounded up in the bush so he buggered off and that was it and I got under arrest and then the next morning they hauled me into court as you could see that's when I tweaked at it buddy that morning so the famous wink yep Oh My lordy so you're you're just so charismatic and I think that's the whole thing of it is is that everyone's you know everyone's doing the hiding and thing you know why do you want where would you do that I'm gonna shoot me do what I do it's my job I'm a murse yeah if I was a child molester or some crap yeah I be hidin my face no I'm a mercenary okay I do what I get paid to do that's it I don't give a [ __ ] if it's a CIA payin me or if it's a drug cartel who gives a crap you know or anybody else or other intelligence services don't think for a minute that these guys are all clean all governments French the Israelis you name it they all got their secret services of course the CIA's the worst thing a lot KGB pretty well a close second but the most dangerous bunkers on the earth sad you don't want ever mess with those suckers he'll come and kick you out of your grave if they you know but their that's political assassination is just as criminal as what we were doing you know what's good for the goose is good for the game if I can get paid by the US government to do a [ __ ] I can get paid by the cartels me makes no difference and anybody that doesn't agree with that I couldn't give a [ __ ] you know you can take your morals and shove it we can give this how its own court you're caught how does the court what did you get for your time all that fun stuff we didn't get a preliminary I want a trial my boy you know there was no point you're caught red-handed you know just there's no way I'm gonna deny it so it would have been a process of screwing around with lawyers fees for two or two years before even getting sentence so I figured I better get this over with really fast so a guy who we pled guilty right away he gave me 23 years and they gave my crew 20 each and we took our sins right away in 1993 and that's it we went to the pen in March of 93 I have to be in every century started out ourselves and I knew at that time and in the judge imposed a 10-year eligibility date on my sense and my guys which was illegal under the last me a year or so to get that removed and then my guys became expanding so under the 20 years they did five years in eight months and got the mounts and whoa the maybe a citizen I had got the privilege to do all my time the only time I escaped twice they didn't like that again folks he hurt him right like this just keeps on going crazy you escaped twice well twice escaped that's in the halfway house and I was out for a pass and they were you and the place was not livable it was too noisy anyway I'm getting into the details but it wasn't satisfactory and they weren't going to move me to another halfway house they could have move me downtown you know to the YMCA and I would have been right near my dad but no they had to put me on the east end completely stupid too much noise and you're trying to share a room with five or six people and that's rotates all the time it's never the same and after three or four times when the cops turn the lights on the four o'clock in the morning and they'll grab the guy in the bed next to you and he goes like that there goes here you need sleep and the bus parked right out the window so you couldn't really see so I said that's not gonna do five years of this [ __ ] anyone happened so I got off on a four day pass and I just left I stayed here the whole summer of 98 and I managed to wrap up a few things here collect its money and all that and got on a plane in Toronto and back to Mexico went back to Colombia went back to work and then I got captured by the rebels in the 2000 in January 2000 and I'm gonna use my Canadian communication even when I got caught by the rebels well kiddies he had a coffee in my passport so right away he arranged all these sumbitches illegally of large in Canada so they arranged with the Colombian cop said he kidnapped me so when I got released from the rebels on the Wednesday afternoon on the Monday morning I got a mansion Tammy for two days and they came back to the airport Wednesday afternoon my girlfriend and my friend in his way and right away that the gas secret police arrived for trucks and they arrested me and they took me and put me on a military base and they can't be there all afternoon that's and sitting out in the middle of a parade square I don't know why he did that but he put me out there to speak observe the fort was sitting there and my lawyers got on the thing and they said look you got release these people go away no reason for you to hold so they were holding us on the military base to our lawyers couldn't get to us then around seven o'clock they got an order from Bogota to kick us to the hotel so they took us over to the hotel and at four o'clock in the morning they put us in our separate rooms and at four o'clock in the morning that banging on my door and they go yep don't get dressed they called me back to me in a cell and they flew a plane up for Bogota please wait and they wanted to put me in the airplane fly me now I ain't going anywhere they wanted me to sign that paper that respecting my human rights and all that and I stayed silent no can you get my friends said this is a Chinese kidnap you can't touch me you know I treat commandos our guys here would come up with the plane I see what are you gonna do shoot me here see go screw yourself I see my friends come anyone gone my friends and I sign the paper and everybody can come up the lawyers the lawyers were waiting when I got to Bogota but they didn't tell anybody they got me to the secret police headquarters and they drove me in the basement underneath to me in a Cell and they hit me until the Friday morning mine orders had told the lawyers we don't know where he is we don't have him they were going around all the different police agencies trying to figure out who they all had me and nobody would admit to it so you see the law works both ways you know they break the law we break them up we don't give crap no meaning you know and finally they pray be out there with a big sign in the backstage you know and a couple of - guys beside me and the big sign with the the - secret policing and they do all the publicity must have been every journalist in Colombia must have been there so they got pictures and they took me back up to the cell and by the time I got up to the top floor they hit me on TV and I was on them still news in Colombia I was getting kicked out from narcotics activity so they deported me from Colombia they expelled me for five years for illegal activities back in 98 but my employers went right away to the court and assigned to work tell them to release me because they had no evidence and no way you know that was invalid so they were ordered to release me and they didn't they just said we don't have him when the Frog March me on a Saturday morning to the airplane at any RCMP guy shows up put me on the plane to Mexico give me back my passport and they said you're kicked out of the country for that's fine the RCMP guy gets on the airplane and he says I'm the so-and-so and soul from the RCMP I said nice to meet you I said what do you want says well I'm in order to ask courts you back cuz I got called I'm told that skorsky back that you want to I said that's good for you my got my passport tough to anybody I'm getting off to Mexico you knew it so we got to Mexico and then they wouldn't let me off the plane I had to wait on the plane and then you know four inch of fall agents came on they grabbed me on the plane and they took me down Interpol headquarters threw me in the cell and so what o'clock in the morning didn't feed me didn't give me a lenient drink put me back on the plane and one o'clock in the morning and lo and behold the RCMP guy who'd spent the day in Canadian embassy he came back we're going to Toronto her said she all right looks like we are and sure enough got to Toronto and then I got to Toronto and the RCMP squad was waiting there at the airplane and they arrested me stuck me in the pot FPPC twelve flew me up to Montreal so the arrest the cops had grabbed me two o'clock in the afternoon on the Wednesday and the following Saturday morning you live in a clock I was being escorted back to the nuclear penitentiary here in Montreal where they are a symptom they brought me up delegation they took me their headquarters they tried to interrogate me for too long just look at so fellas you're wasting your time you got them Missy oh my and then and then you got back you finished your time yeah well they weren't gonna let me anywhere near the gate that was the second time you know I escaped because I come back to help my dad in 2002 the second time I yep first time he put me back in I did 14 months and then I got out again it set me out on a work project and that was in 2001 and then they weren't going to let me out baby so I knew that was going to be in for a few more years because my my sense where they expired in 2013 normally that - that was it yeah mm anyway yeah but I was I was gonna do my two thirds there was no way they were net me in a minimum or anything that was it cuz you know but anyway they did and they sent me back to the minimum and I'm gonna I did all my stuff here my girlfriend from Colombia came up on the 31st of January 2000 she spent into 2000 one year and she come to visit me at the minimum and I left there on July 7th of 9th 2001 I was out on a Friday pass for work and I have all arranged everything I had a shower and McCartney dressed up in the mountains so my girlfriend was already there my guys taking her up there I got out in at luncheon you know I with the guy who was wasn't watching so I just had my boss picked me up and then I met videos and back until he captured me in 2002 after the rebels they brought me back here again and that was it yeah but that was that yoshi-p bringing me back there minimum after that so I had to do my full of t-shirts Oh My lordy Oh My lordy and oh my god that is just absolutely absolutely crazy did you ever talk to the f-18 pilots that were chasing you well you don't want them as my friend but he wasn't chasing me what are the ones that threw over me on Casey he was the one that told me that we he said ray we didn't see he said we already learned about it after we got back to back and said we smoked over there do anybody 800 kilometres an hour she says we don't sit to talk we don't see nothing so we didn't see you so I became friends with him he started the company after that the top f-18 instructors in the Air Force and then he went to fly in China for 15 years and I got friendly with him because I saw I started a business you know tge upset flying aerobatics and stuff like that and he'd married a Chinese girl from Beijing a nice girl and they bought it brought back here because he's from Boeing 747s in China for some time and when he was back here he started to see the business didn't go off too well I knew they stuck the line and I know but anyway today he's climbing one of those new global Express 7500 sound and he's a he was a teacher and all that but he's doing well and he was called the hammer so people would know him he's one of their topic so I got friendly woman pretty good so we laughed about that so but never see I did see a lady named Jennifer in the chat she was at NORAD when the f-18s got dispatched and she remembers so she was a dispatcher Oh My lordy that is just absolutely nuts how's the battery on your phone doing Oh so the one question I guess everybody's asking because we asked a couple of the youtubers it says 15% now that you mention it I'll give it a little uh that can actually could charge it can do it he can go a lot longer than that no it's okay speaking speaking of dying a lot of these people especially in the movies do not make it they they end up getting whacked or killed or whatever how did you survive like what's what's your idea on how did you survive the craziest flights the the deals that pretty much everything was there was could be a problem why are you still here today well I'm just careful you know I to myself I don't socialize with the people I work for ever I never socialize with these people down there and generally they can reach me but they never know where I am really you know I don't I don't publicize that plus the fact that I did my job I've never done anything that it would I'd be reproached in doing business you don't ask any questions you know you just do what you're supposed to do you don't want to learn the cartel asking questions no because you'll end up bad you'll get disappeared pretty quick but you make sure you don't stick your nose in other people's business you know and you do what you're supposed to do when you know and that's it you play it straight then the rest of the way is like I said you take it one day at a time in jail and you don't mix with people you stay on your own you don't make friends in jail you stick to yourself same thing at the cartel you just deal with the people that you work with and they don't know about your other life for nothing my family knew nothing about it even my girlfriends know what I was doing I used to keep all that part of my life secret you know so I had a legitimate businesses and so forth you know justified by England what I was about but no basically plane trading and buying and selling airplanes and equipment but our main business was supplying arms releases military you know from Belgium that was my main gig one question that kept some popping up here I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it that is did you know who DB cooper was who DB cooper the dude that jumped out of the 77272 couple hundred thousand bucks yeah no I know the story but no that was just a young guy that was back 60s yeah never fun now um Air America did you did you fly with me the air America guys yeah I flew with a lot of guys that used to be Air America because here America involved as I say I got into this business through people who got through four cylinder transport oh and they flew over the hump during the war and then it evolved after nationalist China devolved into civil air transport farm east air transport all these different companies you know that were really CIA fronted companies and but the owner of the business I worked for and I took my commercial license instructor at was one of these pilots he threw there and they flew him and Alma for similar transport Chinese they were both Chinese these guys and he took a liking to me it was my boss when I did my commercial license no I worked at dispatch there I had money but I worked at dispatch I was getting paid a buck an hour dollar an hour yeah and I got a discount on flying so that's how I took my time for my commercial license and they you know what I said I could fly a little differently another than I had I like to fly close to the ground I was you know for some reason they they deduced that I would be useful in their type of fire so they got me my first contract and I got a job flying out of Thailand for he people into Cambodia it's a rice paddies you land on the dykes in the rice paddies the middle of frickin night this you its personnel around them of course I'm bringing out dope you know him big balls of great big balls of stop so they were telling me I asked about that we don't mind your own business your baby flight your plate that's your business what goes in it so that's it so I did that I did about 150 hours doing that with a Helio stallion it's a funny-looking airplane you know had tequila going back this way but if you could fire that it would take off this thing fire that fly on a breath nothing yeah but was a good airplane and that's how I started and then they get you on the road next and they call you up and that's it once you're on the rolodex you call you up and you can take the job or not take so there are a lot of times I turn down things because I was busy doing other stuff and but that's how I stayed on the contract yeah and ended up with T doing the stuff in Panama on the Contra thing and that led to flying in Angola and that led to other contracts but with the Belgians I worked mister we were doing all kinds of stuff outta Belgium because Bellman's one of the number one suppliers of weapons into your own African countries and all that so we were doing a lot of flying in on that so you know I'm used to fly I'm gonna find that that dc-8 and I don't think I ever heard three times in a row to see paint job on it it would keep changing it job they put letters on it sometimes they just painted big black you win you know and that's it he's all that kind of operation so yeah that's fine and then how was that we didn't really touch on how was it like working with the CIA like what was the what was their procedures and we heard about how the cartels were we never really saw the CIA speak the only connect the CIA guy they've always had their representatives in their embassies everywhere they're everywhere so you get a guy in to sue you come and talk to you and yeast CIA you'll know that because he's they have one in every embassy every consulate they're there they're everywhere and they think about operations going on he's the one files reports and all that kind of stuff and now in any come that appeared check it out but that's basically all the contact you have when we were doing the iran-contra thing in Panama the card medicine project yes he was for CIA he was you know he was in command of this they called SOUTHCOM section 16 yeah actually he was the guy that the terminated Che Guevara in Bolivia yeah Felix and Felix retired finished made a lot of money yeah legally t6 is flying down there from transcontinental had a little run you don't have those guys way back him up and every now and M&A fly back up there to get an engine change with just so that there's some work on the TC six I wasn't flying it then but he would always go along you know is take up pot and coke canary to get sell it these contacts there in Detroit so I know where he is today but is crazy so a lot of people are asking about you flying currently do you want to whole story but about your current situation and why you're not flying well I lost my license because of cancer I got my license back a month after I got no I got out in March of 2013 9 in April 2013 I had my your and Transport license back I got all that and I kept it but the the parole board wouldn't allow me to fly for some reason I suspect the RCMP was slightly behind that you know but pretty more easy so I couldn't even find my own 185 that was a real bummer but then I got the cancer diagnosis and while I already can't know that was be treated I've been diagnosed since 2012 but I already had it since 2008 and in 2017 was it 16 either or 16 or 17 anyway the Transport Canada wrote me a letter and said look your blood counts too low and you're anemic and would you please send us back your license so I had to go I drove up the door about an airport Transport Canada and back my license so all I got to the music off so and it after all that after all the countless infractions that you could possibly lineup if it was Transport Canada was fine with you having a license and then you get sick Candace of course I lost my FAA license it took that away that's game game over and I'm not allowed in the states anymore ever and my Colombian license I had you know I used it just but it was based on my Canadian license and I had European license to out of Belgium so I had I know that got suspended so I never went back besides I never went back to apply for him I got my Canadian license back but I lost that year so there's no point you know my blood count is too low now to be able to to officially fly you get to get in the cockpit once in a while you got some friends that take you up I go find my friends you know I got phrases like never lose orders ten years a couple got private jets and I'm gonna bid on those yet but my friend David and I we have a Boeing 737 new generation simulator four o'clock and we just finished up updating it with new software and every day this thing is beautiful it's great it's perfectly sound even got real sound in it and everything so you're sitting in there after ten minutes you're actually saying you're in a point because the visuals are so good now and the performance is so good then you forget you're in this box you know you give me the clothes adorable and you're I start playing tricks on you you know you're flying around and you feel like you're normal you know so it's really fun and then I can do it I can I suppose just anywhere anywhere I want yeah my kids but I can go up to Victoria Airport machine approaches and fly all around Victoria and Vancouver ever look you know actually games so yeah it's been an hour 46 minutes that is amazing I know that this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to stories the personal touches and everything like that the amount aircraft like from Corsairs to Hertz to providers 46 dc-3s two ditching dc-3s in the water man if you're just joining us they're gonna want to rewatch this this is especially if you're stuck at home this is amazing ray I can't thank you enough for agreeing to come on and share your story with all the the plane saver live fans this is just being it's stressful I'm stressed out like just just listening to the story he's just oh lordy such amazing to me is just you know I just didn't I don't see anything extraordinary I just did my job and it was a lot of guys do the same as Pete I'm just a guy doing this job like everybody else find it so it's got good - and bad man you guys got a lot of good fine except that you are you know but he kind of here placing your people flying I find those are real airplanes you couldn't interest me from the love money to get into flying at Boeing jet today and all these automated cockpit thing is it electronic fly-by-wire then it's just not me at all you know I'm so bad that I had the opportunity to fly all those beautiful classic airplanes I had that in my life so on quite content with that you know so I'm comfortably retired you know I'm very happy and I'm glad to share my experiences cuz I got a lot of young pilots that come and talk to me it's tough and if I can tell them something that helps them in their career that's good you know I know but it's not the same the business has changed its changed it's not the same anymore oh the magic yeah and I can't thank you enough for helping during DT D if you guys don't know ray was actually the runner for DT D he anytime we needed parts I'd a McCall you'd show up with a car the parts would be in the trunk it just like old times and yeah you went door-to-door and found us stuff that we needed for the airplane while we're in Montreal so I can't thank you enough for that - it's just been absolutely amazing what a journey folks all my oh man and just the comments like ray when you you can rewatch us on YouTube and you can see the comments that are coming in live and I'm just so proud of everybody how respectful everybody's been in the comments - because me and Ray this is part of your charismatic truth you know stuff like this it's you've gained a lot of people's respect even though what you're doing is was taught to us by Reagan and and Bush Senior as the bad guy but you've really put a lot of people he made a lot of people happy just by entertaining them in this weird time week for the last hour and 45 minutes I totally forgot that there was a virus like this is what it's totally about is just just and I can't thank you enough what we got a lot a little bit Langer a little bit few more minutes what would you want to tell everybody you know what would you want to tell the 832 people that are watching well first of all I want to thank you buddy because the effort you put into dudes face if you're saying that's growing exponentially a lot of people have an interest in aviation like that again today I think it's great and all I say is fly safely folks we're in a crisis situation now in this country it's very serious take it very seriously you know you could be a carrier and not know it and think you're too cool and going around like that but you're actually putting all kinds out of people at risk stay on your steak stay at home stay out of contact stay away for people let's try and get the lid on this damn coronavirus thing because it is deadly and it's going to cause a lot of damage in this country so let's all get together and try and minimize them and I'd like to say all the 800 people that are interested bought my book that will be coming to see the documentary we'll probably see I don't know what the skims are gonna be but there's gonna be a feature film made some guys are already gonna be playing my role and I have some say in that so I'm gonna try and see if that gets done and I'll try and kick up where American made failed and I'm sure what really happened that was just a joke and that was Tom Cruise playing Tom Cruise I like Tom Cruise but the whole story there the American made historical [ __ ] first of all never flew Aerostars I never saw an arrow starring Columbia every wrong airplane to fly drugs with it anybody gets an idea don't touch it in the plane you Oh My lordy I Man Ray I just said this is so amazing so the book it's only in French right now hopefully we can get an English version at some point you can because the celebration only actual the material of the book had approached MacLean hunter and another publishing house in Toronto to see if they want to buy up until the English state and they didn't show any interest so people want the book to be done in English maybe they could write the claim hunter publishing here is some of the publishing houses wrong hey what the [ __ ] man you guys you know take up the dam and to make the book in English because I got you know it's where the books still selling and I spin outs in this 2013 and I get a book report I get a sales report every six months and a check for royalties so no books still going which probably still maybe fifteen or sixteen hundred copies left of the original eighteen thousand published so they're out there and they're you keep Amazon some people are even sending ones that I signed it and they're selling for 200 250 dollars on Amazon with a signature you know I don't approve of that but you know I don't like people trying to profit off stuff that's it but yeah if you want it you know make it known that an email to the publishing houses tell them to contact it is on the place and get the register translate the book in English and you'll have it that is just amazing it's kind of kind of funny now that there's contraband versions of your book that's kind of like full circle but well you know people are always about like at you know everybody's gonna try their angle but like I said just just get out there to do what you gotta do that's all oh oh I think that is perfect timing rate I think we just lost them Oh My lordy yep we just lost them folks look he is frozen let's just cover that up right now hahaha that was perfect timing thank you guys for joining us today an amazing live stream please let me know in the comments if you re watching this it's gonna take once I hit finish it's gonna take a little bit for it to load up all my god I'm so stressed out thank you so much we got bigger better I shouldn't say that we don't got bigger better things nothing bigger than better than ray we got different shows coming up we have amazing guests nothing's top ray but we're gonna try but it won't work but keep on watching thank you guys so much the honesty is just amazing I love you guys all see you very soon bye
