Notorious Ex Gangster 'Juicebomb John' - Your Round Podcast #32 - John Burton

I got two that were there one of the kids who was with us they were Asian kids and he's coming out I was gobsmacked he wasn't it and like to put him in he's got me all right yeah he's gone Sam yeah I said he said my all right I needed I went yeah yeah I said lucky do you want to be mad you know Mommy or Daddy watching me I won't believe you want to be [ __ ] mommy or daddy my daddy my son get over there and suck mommy's [ __ ] because don't get me wrong this foot this whale's full of snakes yeah just full of this full of snakes and you know you grow up with the people who you will trust you'll meet you'll meet acquaintances along the way who just want a little bit of what you're doing do you know what I mean but fully holy totally honestly yeah I don't even know this guy but you sound he's a legend if you've never seen purple lucky I've never seen him I don't [ __ ] he's all right it's all right sucky though are you in jail we're back here at the same time is he local as well look he does put purple and it comes up purple lucky so [ __ ] well known it is it I speak like mine there's about [ __ ] seven foot geez this is about seven foot tall I'm about seven foot wide but [ __ ] tell the largest people that's what Nick's got yeah yeah I was going to say he's always got a plastic bag with him look it's what's he keeping it he's absolutely he's just [ __ ] mantle mate packed lunch because I couldn't understand why all ending providers now we're letting him do that stuff and then it's running Nathan said it's because he's about as [ __ ] huh I I don't know what he's he's never been I've always liked Takis sounds and he's a [ __ ] intelligent fella are you going to tell me he's done a barrister might be an MP or something but he's he's only up in a I don't know whether it's [ __ ] Nigeria or somewhere like that but he is that he's pretty high up like did they bring up the sun's activities or dinners and stuff like I can imagine so what does he do does it like he could find out because a lot of the rugby Lads from down here everyone knows they don't they was he just getting banned out of the spots yeah because he really liked him Wigan for a bit and then sent Elms and Liverpool everybody's still stalk them I'm just so come on some people have that well don't they when you say to us look you like smoking we don't I like smoking touching muscles that's what I used to say to us into we were all big rides in there you know what I mean oh go on just a little one you've got maybe after me that's also you haven't seen me six [ __ ] why did you still drink all right so wait It's A Wig isn't it how long was he in jail for because I've been in and out it's been in a few years honey what does he get arrested for is it just because he squeeze his muscles so if people bring up the place I was eating somewhere else yeah so people bring up the police Jesus what would you do if you're in the gym when someone come up and just started hello you take it back first be polite nicely first oh does it oh yeah exactly what you bunch starts with a few little questions like Dudley balls oh yeah it's got that in it can you just sense them and he's got your legs out there and then it's like doing all the things I've never said some people in jail didn't know that he liked that sort of thing so they're just assume the fellow was interested in their body and stuff like that and he said they'll regret that oh yeah like you get people going in there messing all the time you know like getting the muscles up and all that thinking it's only a laugh and then like overnight you just see a [ __ ] nice yeah because you were massive at the time as well enough since I'm all four was even looking doing the weight and stuff like that but you wouldn't but I was not that much [ __ ] style because what where were you then because you were like anything from 15 16 17 18 it just depends on what you're taking and stuff at the time what time what time in life is this late 90s or early 2000s yeah yeah because it wasn't what's not about steroids and because when we're like we first started going to the gym it was just put whatever you get and it wasn't like that Tech Decker take this and whereas now I feel like we know a little bit more yeah at that time it was more like sustinal and a Deca they were the two that used to go together to make you big and then obviously could hook the hormone come out okay you only need to look at the likes of what's his name Mickey blue eyes maybe he'll rock all right you can see the way the features are changing and stuff yeah because it makes your phones grow obviously yeah so that's what Messi and that used to love so it's for like yeah small people soccer October was it it makes you carry on growing I could do with someone because some of the women who do it at the same they get like bigger Jewels don't they yeah it's good for your body as well because I think but by the time you get to 2021 is it your pituitary glands it stops if that's when it all stops ah right and then obviously you carry on soaking it in your bones your hands all your all your system starts going did you get muscles before you went in jail because I can imagine I don't know if you've seen that film with Will Ferrell you know get hard yeah it gets massive and imagine like if I if I was going to jail I'd be doing Jujitsu I'd be massive before I don't know you're going to jail so yeah you know what's going to happen but until it happens you really don't know people used to say to me so why do you on the juice or something because I couldn't knock on someone's [ __ ] door 10 Stone where can I stand for me money could I I said but while I was on the juice and biggie just [ __ ] go through it would you not have people to do that though as well your words brought you sometimes you still have to still get involved yourself don't you yeah you've got to be you've got that Fox Sports to be intimidated the thing is if you're if you know if you're working with a stand obviously you see someone big you don't know whether they can fight or what but you just thinking [ __ ] that look people like it comes out of your first thing you go is [ __ ] that yeah you know what I mean because you don't really normally just see this size don't you is it hard finding people to work for you like like that because I can imagine a lot of people laughed at but when it actually push comes to Sugar you've got to knock on the door no because you know what you you've got you've got me too you grew up you got to work with and this comes certain parts in life when people take different ways and then after you mated the working in the close by you then you know you work together and do whatever you've got to do well I've seen that all that deadly is debt collect I don't know if you said that no sorry it's been worried and I can't think what is it Sean Sean I well he was saying like that he first went on a job that like uh look at this guy and they said they give him a hide and he wasn't paying and then they gotta for someone bombing him to like to get the money out and he said it was just he said he was somebody he wasn't expecting he said that was how they got it out because he you could batter him all day long he'd just take the hide this but he wouldn't want that photograph get now well in in America that's that's what they do normally in jails in it and the Jail's over there are just sick but yeah sure um I said well it's super swim brothers were my best mates in school right right so we're not sure for years I haven't seen Short for God knows God must be 20 years or something obviously he's doing a job that's absolutely insane but it seems like a decent blog because he looks after people around him doesn't he yeah yeah but that's that's the thing if you've got close people around you then they're the ones you'll always know we're loyal around you as well because don't get me longest foot this whale's full of snakes yeah it is full of snakes and you know you grow up with the people who you will trust you'll meet you'll meet acquaintances along the way who just want a little bit of what you're doing do you know what I mean but fully holy totally honestly yeah they're not there well that's a thing we do in the drugs from different countries but we've talked about this on the way down like if we had to get some jokes from Columbia you're taking a risk with meeting someone over there that you know what I mean like you don't know them you haven't grew up with them these people around here you can tell well they'll be all right it'll be like but when you go to a different country because you set that all up didn't you like how do you get acquaintances like that do you know what it's like it's just not work don't you yeah um you know like when I was doing the ciggies it just fell on my lap I ended up going from someone just staying in the ground it's like doing stuff to taking over the full uh hit on it and I think I was putting in think up the time we're blinking about 400 clones we had to ciggies a day five days a week yeah so the first one we got was in Barnsley and I think by the time I'd finish that up which is about 360 70 grams I [ __ ] had to cancel that in a [ __ ] hotel room on the old took me about [ __ ] nine hours fingers will stink bugs just obviously a good starter getting money machines but then insane places you should go for money machines you have to have ID so all this stuff you just have to get around to get your money machines and then you can you can turn money off the day can't you what do you do with that sort of cash because if you're doing that quite regular like you're gonna end up with like a house full of cash aren't you like do do you just have to start buying cash I said you like that then you could so in my late 90s you have gone by you could spend [ __ ] together an eyelid yeah you're trying to do it now [ __ ] aliens up in jail for money loans even your mortgage you've got approved for funds haven't you where does it come from and I guess that's why it's all come round about isn't it yeah and it's like no I think if you go in the bank or any more than two grams or so I mean yeah your money goes in the bank but then you've got a jobs for fire the only reason it's like why can't I have my money I'll cash and do whatever I [ __ ] want but yeah yeah but this is the way the world is that everything now look our country's built on money you know what I mean a kilo of cocaine is where more in jail than a two-year-old abuse rate child so you look at things like that and you think what's going on in the world but then also comes down to his proceed to crimes being nicked for drugs that comes money and that's that's where we get you look there's police coming in houses now busting houses getting drugs taking drug disease but they're taking babies clothes all named clothes from babies kids adults boxes of shoes Hugo Boss Montclair they take they take everything out there because they think look the first thing you do when you've come from a council estate or you come from somewhere where you've never had money if someone gives you 10 or 20 grands in your hands for doing a job what what's the first thing you want to do with it It's Always by a car isn't it normally and then what what makes you buy a car that makes you look better and new clothes done yeah yeah I've got to say if you want South Africa that's the face it's the first thing guys I'm gonna come out of jail in all five yeah because what I'm writers I had to take a lot while I was in prison um what do you like in England because you've got like variations you've got like porridge the TV show it looks a laugh and then you have like shot calling that where you're like oh you've got to go we do your own race and like you're gonna get chant in the show what is it like in between shock Hall is American in it yeah yeah Vince Vaughn isn't it no I'm not that one that's cell blocker itching whatever it was that's your callers one way that was [ __ ] vinegar tits are you blowing yourself up but you know you can sit there watching cell blockage oh that was dude yeah because he kicked someone's head off things falling they're not saying I'd like to give it a question and an answer don't they go what's your favorite color blue what's your wife's name Sheila what's your job bigger but remember if we called it was no shop call was ladoff um Game of Thrones you see prison now like 20 25 years ago the sentence as you get and now you would never have got 25 years ago and we always said that the prisons are going like American prisons now all the new prisons are built on American prisons right so all you need prison started getting built rounds to basically built the same as the American prisons but if you've noticed sentences are going up all the time I remember when I was like in meetings if if someone got shot you'd be looking at the 12 or 14 you look under 30 35 to 40 now so you can see the difference in it and like you know look at America you could go in as a 40 year old man get lights off now life sentences you've got 150 years you're 40 but you can cope at all in 99 years so that doesn't make sense to me no so you don't put it all in like when you're under 30 yards so it just doesn't make sense you know if you get liked off you get liked off why do you think that is always because people want harsher sentences yeah or yeah it's simple it's simple as that but yeah some depending on the crime I know lifestyle we've all been caught so we're getting 30 35 years for drugs it's never it's never been Airsoft things I'm sure I've read things as well that the longer the sentence the more likely as well when they come up because of you more better than me but part of the environment then it becomes your life especially of a long sentence you're a repeater offender straight away because well you miss the place you don't know the outside the world you've gone in as an 18 year olds and you're coming out as theater you're still in that mentality as an 18 year old because you don't know what you're coming out to whereas when you're a bit older it's it's not too bad like me I'll write I got I ended up with a 12 but I have to do half of that but I still come out after six years and my head was before come on oh but I bet he changes that fast doesn't it inside these days I come back to Liverpool and seeing whole Liverpool are changed in six years was just Madness because there was buildings up everywhere yeah and he used to walk past but he's gone plus I remember that was Flats there although that was stuck in and something else is there now yeah because you're not seeing it every day epic your sentence wasn't done in Liverpool or was it was it Charlie Sheffield miles away mine is mine was I was arrested in Liverpool so I was arrested in Liverpool and their name because I went in in the Qatar uni from the Qatar unit I went to Garth which is a high security cap B and then from there I wanted to go to Lake Havoc yeah yeah so I wanted to go to haverig or in Lindon and then obviously um I found out that there was a ban on me in the Northwest and he wanted me off to the Northwest they just said they had too much influence on their drugs cons and prison officers and then they sent me down to Wolverhampton and I'm from Wolverhampton he said there has only gone to any cat D before sort of somebody now Sudbury was a bit of an older jail that was tuned up and then I told me if I went on a few places and I found Stamford Hill which is probably the best one Kathy in the country I wanted to get in there work out and get out of jail every day and gone to Me meet Me job and so with my pick there but then when I got the the signal on my own for nine months and then I found out then I was on I was on another band in there so he's allowed to pick though some I'm a missed but it's not it's not that you're allowed to pick they just get out your preference they just said to me look you can't go anywhere in the Northwest so it's anywhere a bit over here uh swaps just so the only places for me was press coins um or Stamford sale because you had sprinkle and stuff but I just done my own work and said look I'll go name I'll go and do it in Stamford Zoo right because I thought I'd get there three months I'll be able to work out they'll get a card I'll be able to get me on leaves go back home and stuff like that but it just didn't work out like that it took me nine months to be even before I ended up going in hospital when I was in prison right and while I was in hospital I still had another bottle which is released on sampling license so that's another screw with me and then I had to screw with me and like he's come back in the night time he went look he said they're keeping you in anyway they've got to do scans he went we're quite happy leaving it on you only said to do your own licenses and stuff so I stayed in there for about it's about 15 days um when I come out every day I went uh like when I was well enough for going out to bed and went down dummy licenses the reception downstairs and I went back up and since that finished I went back to prison and they said look you've been in there for two and a half weeks or something you could have gone your oven so you've done your license you won't phone your family he's ever letting you know what's on her name Saturday and then they let me come out then around London and then when I've got back from London there was a big commotion and I was like what's going on there where have you been I went to being in London with me with my kids yeah no we can't allow that no more you can go in and just put me in westfields and Stratford so every town visit every two weeks I have to go to westfields and Stratford and then you try staying in there for eight hours a day it's a bit oh you've had everything else you're fat as [ __ ] you know what I mean and your kids have gone to travel another six hours all what you want to do is get back to your pad in there I can't imagine okay that's funny jokes it goes back to your original question doesn't it is it uh it's it is it scary it can be scary for people who are not are not ready for it yeah lucky just lost like being us be sitting in jail it's like us sitting in apartment I'll just start having a coffin that's all yeah look when the pads get shot at like six or seven o'clock in the night then obviously things change something that's when you start getting into thinking mode over time yeah you know before 2000 you have to piss and [ __ ] in a bucket you know what I mean then obviously after 2000 Toyota started coming in television started coming in so before before 2000 that was hard Joe where there's now people have got I don't know people saying oh you've got PlayStations and they're [ __ ] I've got a PlayStation 2. you can't even buy a [ __ ] game for it now do you know what I mean so this is this is like the people think you've got you know like Freeview we had we when we got our new Tellies are thinking about 213 you know we hooked a bit of aerial up to the metal windows and it gave you the free view but people don't want you to have a free view it's free view for the reason it's [ __ ] free yeah do you know what I mean but then in some of the jails used to only have 10 tillies and then in the private ones you're subscribing all that in them so then everything just got scrapped and you just had your normal channels and then must be an appeal for some people to go to the gym but you know you've got to look at this where you see the people who are out there who haven't got a pot of pissing or know where to live then the the best especially these days yeah and the best place where people go to jail I've had lad stock and bags off at my part at like eight in the morning foreign the little 47 quiz go down to the term get pissed have a little Bonk up with a beard or something like that and then just go in the pub and just pick someone and punch him you get right [ __ ] so that's why they come back and they'll come back and I'll say what the [ __ ] are you doing like one fella Davey massage the other batteries and while he kept him in for so long he's been off the booze and all that and I said sort of watch your face today they're gonna be like to Adrian she's got a piece punch someone I'll come back here could you drink I was gonna say it's a Drug's name there because then like all document isn't that like small gun drugs what you've got to remember like is you've got screws who are basically like the police inside the prison and then you've got cons so it's a cat and mouse games like Tom and Jerry it's for us to get drugs in at the time and for them to try and stop us you know what I mean there's a legendary felony they call them parcel Peter use a screw everywhere he used to go [ __ ] used to find a Parcels anyway but like you see them getting flung in and catapults to get them drawn yeah I was in Walton it won but all sitting in the yard and I've seen this thing coming over and the yard's full and it's just gone right split a lot of that or put on a cape and then about 15 Lads all part of the rounds and and they just walked away it's like a bar of weed so it's nine ounces of Rocky it comes off from my uncle's eyes and it's in the air that's splitting here I don't know it's giving it it gives you the normality start you know one of the animals imagine going into the game into the visit room dogs what happens now I got knocked out by a bottle of Rockies oh or you know you get like like you'd have people going out and coming back in two days later with loads of weed stuck in the rush do not check it where like their ass they can't they can't really not allowed for anything in YouTube or not right it's only yucky tell them the story about Aki as well that could help us on the phone here's the name he was in Walton uh we're on B wing and the showers would all get in refurbished now on the wing so we brought like like a unit like this like a modular unit and put it in the yard and it was like 12 showers in there and like you'd get a lot out you know for your yard and to go and get your showered and stuff and they've only put [ __ ] purple Lucky in there as the shower orderly haven't they so I'm giggling to myself everyone's like walking in and seeing that people know what's going on here I said before lies like you still have a laugh where I can like you'd be touching your muscles or you'd be having like we knew so you'd have a laugh for them but people in Sydney with [ __ ] certifiers on them and then like I could even be someone next to him then it's in the shop for the sofa on the floor and then you'd see the you see the lad look like that and then they look behind you go can you pass me that so please and now we used to have landslides people coming out of the gym we were pretty Big Lots and they were coming in and they were all doing stances and he's like he's just got affected she had muscle exactly he always does but you know years ago he's fighting the life out of everyone he's a very very intelligent guy and you know anything about law he will sell you anything about law he knows law inside out you know what I mean he just likes muscles you know what I mean I thought like you know like when you go to see the cloud man and it's got a box of muscles I thought he was not about them muscles but seriously he just likes muscles that's why I come off the steroids so [ __ ] that years ago when we were kids and there was no mobile phones and stuff and he used to walk up and down like well no County Roads or Vauxhall roads oh you know I think he was there everyone would be terrify because he was like he was huge yeah you know what I mean and and you know because that he's really really is Jack Black and all you'd see in common is like a turkey top of but he'd have a quickie bag he's always carry a white Twitter bag because you never seen him in a photograph without that kind of bugs he's always got he always got it I don't know why can't even have never said turds for staying long enough when he's been prison you don't have to tell you back so bad I started to stay away from a monster but he's just no one it's a myth it's a myth that a lot of people think he's something that he's not in his rumors going around that he's done this he's done that and you know what truthfully honest but I've never known him to do anything yeah other than you know set it as people with big muscles well a lot there would be like uh the center of wigging lots of organ stories because obviously they're a big Lads and he also you're all sitting there come and stand outside there you're gonna stand outside he got asphalts from them all doesn't he yeah so he couldn't be anywhere around them what is this all like the Saint Helens Saint Helens rugby team all the places well because I know he's a big fella but some of these Lads will be used I've seen 10 people kick the [ __ ] out about me right I've seen him just get up and walk away I've seen them be work with bats I've seen them get a lot more High just a sponge he's just he's he's about seven foot tall above seven foot wide that's what he was like when we were kids do you know what I mean now there's a thing I was watching the chase the other week and they come up and what color is is the fruit ackee and I come up paper Lackey you're not well you know what you see you're on there yeah well yeah he's he's legendary like that but you know I I thought he was all right I've always got on one of them know what I mean don't get me wrong I wouldn't want to be twos I would have to say someone who's in that like did they have to share their cell with someone is that some cases you do yeah yeah Jesus Jesus I do not all the time then you know if you die risk you've got to have a pad on you know oh right you know what I mean if you you know if you if you as soon as you go when you get to that with someone I got two that were there one of the kids who's with us they're using kids and he's coming out I was gobsmacked him isn't it and like to put him in he's got me all right yeah he's gone Sam yeah I said he said my all right I need I went yeah yeah I said look who do you want to be mad you know Mommy or Daddy watching me I won't believe you want to be [ __ ] mummy daddy my daddy my son get over here and suck mommy's [ __ ] new kids well you know it's one of you just gotta make it you've just gotta make it good there haven't you you know once that animal goes down and you know what you're getting you've just got to get your notes around so it's like one of my mates I was on the cafe you you know we only got 35 years so I'd started basically the same time as him and then I've got I also been out a few years and I've spoken in in the letter sent him a letter back and you know she can't believe but he said we've got 25 years left [ __ ] out it's a lifestyle yeah you'd be what would you do if if you want to look at that end point it's like nothing else you just can't imagine yeah you know when you then that that thing that you've got 35 years you probably you wouldn't be before you know [ __ ] about anything you're gonna lose something in yourself you've gotta do the sex offenders on that cat here are they the ones there because I know like yeah they wouldn't put VPS with normal prisoners and they kind of happen I think when I went on the cafe uni it goes into a that goes into strange ways I've been locked in the Block in Walton from probably about 15 16 days and I'm supposed to only be there for three days waiting to be potential cafe or not and if I'm not I go back on the wings of potential categy send me to a strange ways so I think by the time the home office and everything made the decision it was like 14 or 15 or 16 days but when you stop in there you can't remember I was in a room probably like this [ __ ] all over the walls toilet like you wouldn't [ __ ] see uh the concrete beds with a little tiny mattress in the middle of January it was [ __ ] freezing in the basement and I couldn't get out I couldn't speak to my family I couldn't speak to my solicitor I couldn't interact with prisoners you know I had to come out for 20 minutes walk on the night time when the jail was shutting up in a cage at the end of the jet at the end of the wing and it was just stuff like that and I ended up um as a night like no Telly winds up radio but I started reading Martina Cole books [ __ ] now let's eat that mate Tina call yeah Martin of course incident she's like a command writer type of thing but deep okay I'm writing and I was like you know when you're doing a picture thinking [ __ ] hell I was reading them and then had me winds up ready to go to winds up every 10 minutes and then he has [ __ ] scabs down he scabs down there you know what wines and the Whoppers and then blue and yellow but not banana suit someone Escape suit where you've got one leg yellow one leg blue and then four because we were just that scared yeah but they both had a kind of kestrel super spin they got drunk from the deer yeah I don't know they got in they were like oh and then like four there may be lying them last but I thought they look like convicts like not trying to take customer but I just thought oh they look like they're they're not in the news at night they're like okay it's like in nightclubs every [ __ ] used to come to me and say everybody tablets what do I look like a [ __ ] drug dealer oh yeah [Laughter] is that a thing where if you're selling dogs you better being someone who sells it for you so you're not the face so like we were from you know who still I don't do it yeah I know who sells them now you always think if I know who sells them and I don't take them you can't be able to get caught yeah it's look when I was what I was 17 18 it was like 87 88. you know you can use it I just started now when I was a kid and you'd go to a nightclub the last 20 minutes you'd be pissed the last 20 minutes to slop the music thumb you're gonna get a [ __ ] ugly bird on the Dance Floor whoever's left somebody play like Celine Dion or something like that so you'll be doing slow ease but then I went to quadrant Park and that was like the first ever Rave I went to me ever in my life and I've just walked in there and I've just gone because I did about it it's about like easy didn't take no because we used to drop a bummer whiz or smoke weeds all the time and he of course into quadrant Park and it was like what the [ __ ] is going on here there was like blog sticks whistles people with the tops off sweating like that and they were like and there's people trying to come in I mate ready if I'm trying to figure out like that [ __ ] off and then next minute we thought like the tablets and we're gonna end the Middle with them yeah absolutely job that looks good from the outside looking in ease look like you've enjoying yourself beware in the in the like in the 80s in the early 90s it started when people started mixing different stuff putting in them you know what I mean to make more uh every every drug tea has got to try and maximize the profits yeah yeah like I got my first tablet in there it was a disc on Brands it's called biscuit [ __ ] our best night to me life ah the [ __ ] ball at the best lighting Lifeboat I wanted to go back the next week for me to go back there the next week I didn't have the money to go back because we were only kids who used to do little rugglies and buy houses away between us yeah do you know what I mean so I ended up getting like 150 tablets me mates went out we sold all the tablets and we had a weekend the 400 just mad party and and we were robbing the cars at the time so we always had like an ash does 16 valve for a golf 16 valve and when you come out of there you'll be coming out of that I was a [ __ ] character I don't like that and then like we asked he was a couple who used to live by us and he was sounds he'd say well if you send in something tonight give me a shout and like bad attitude three when the quads used to finish even like there's no more Almighty when it first started we used to get in the cargo and find this busy and just uh pull up next and give them the things he checked us for an hour and then like the helicopter will come out if sometimes you're getting chased so you go on the party and your lights off and use your handbrake so then you've got no lights or you've got no place lights so they don't know where you are and as they had that time was a light this didn't have heat sensors or nothing like that so is just set we used to go out everywhere and we've been in [ __ ] South Wales and couldn't get home and Rob cars to get on like that we found a bike so we were on that but the tires were busted yeah and I was like well like how do you get a horse up I feel like we're not like so I was like you should even work like I was like like trying to get it out and then police pulled up what you're not doing on that bike he was on the back of us and I went oh we're just out for a bike ride went half on the [ __ ] morning wasn't he like like yeah but then we looked and we wondered why the wheels weren't going wrong when he was a cheering about that fun it's because it was written and I said could you give me the lift into town and we're not insured to have people in the back of one no you should I picked my back of a police guy I was drunk yeah absolutely just for all the messes we just kept the car they got a free land yeah just from there it was like that's where where we started making money we've been out all weekend so it's our our bills what we have to pay and then we had a good few grand left over so it must be a lot as well if you're saying yeah it wasn't it in the 80s come on yeah proper Club oh brilliant like that's the end and all that wonder they were huge back in there yeah yeah it's been corking coming a bit more I think it changed started coming in sort of later later that he's used didn't they yeah do you know what I mean because cocaine I think in the late 70s early 80s was was paced so it was only injectable right and then you had a lot of people you know that's a lot of people in Miami and Florida said they were just dying off it and then it was Escobar that's saying cocaine into powder if you ever watch Escobar you'll see him where the raking the paste with the heat lamps on it dries it out and then we used to put it into a into a Block they'll be a bit harder and toilets wouldn't be trying to because yeah cocaine when it's made it's like a paste in it yeah it's like a page first yeah God's favorite cocoa leaves bleach [ __ ] kerosene paraffin oil patch or whatever they get their hands on so some good stuff in there like like in Korea when he gets to kumri it's been mixed with [ __ ] all sorts hasn't it well like when it gets to our sort of neck there was like Liverpool will be a bit more pure is it and then does it just to know what like we we started mixing years ago and when I was in jail I was doing a welding course in fullwood college in a question or [ __ ] don't be known to anyone else I was making in kilo boxes and what I used to do was get the lads to get me a VW badge or a make badge glue it onto the metal and then when you pressed it you'd have them uwma or your VW patch pressed into the Coke and I used to like to say click nine answers out I put nine ounces in so every three kilo you got an extra kilo and that's how you just maximize your profits again in it so you're taking the weight at the batch or you know the badge all the badges there for us to put our implants in the cocaine uh right you know what I mean so we were making so you'd have like a metal box just the square square box bottom in it sides in it and then you add a plate for the top right and then in the plate you glue a badge underneath it or two PPS we should put at least the loads of stuff in them but when you press that it compacts it it leaves it in a block but it will leave the imprints of the VW or does it but you knew what you were selling then right all right right you know what I mean but then do you ever think about doing your own logo so it was just like likes of that and you know you just start maximizing it then don't you and then and one of you might see him I come out of jail I haven't seen him for a few years and a front baking had me made funny funny [ __ ] that he is I went Where Have You Been he might [ __ ] got 18 months didn't I I went what for he went well I should have been fought a fraud I went why even because they [ __ ] sets the beach out here they cut back two percent [Laughter] [ __ ] [ __ ] arms laughing my ass off but it's two percent so you get cold it's never 100 it's always going to be in in the 70s as well yeah and he has is a two percent yeah because people just you know it's like me giving you a couple Keel oh that's tough nine ounces out of it first thing you're gonna do is go and try and Bash it and get more out of it and you give him a couple of answers then they're going to say and Smash It Off and try and do it lightweight what are you cooking it with the attorney two percent cork in and the other 1980s yeah so yeah so that's how many people take bits out of it and make it and make it right you know what I mean you mix it with benzocaine then obviously it's still numbs you I remember years ago I used to get a baby powder a baby persons and feasins and it was it was in like a wrap and what it was for was to numb the babies um gums you know what they would see them right but if you mix that with small amounts of Charlie you you think you were [ __ ] yeah you saw something Coke these are all the things that used to maximize maximize your money trying to think with the same on older isn't it I've been on all the Big Lots and like different people and that they've been on it and they always say like oh God this is different like the face has gone normal yeah like it's because like where you can tell when it's strong but you can tell you can tell if you can tell Coke because of its if it's bashed then obviously you're not feeling like you are when it's when it's not but because you know what I mean so yeah you know it's how it's how you are with it and you know me and them days I prefer it a little bit bashed because it just sometimes just doesn't make you want to speak to us this is exactly I've been out with people like and everyone's on it apart from me and they're just like that like I said just looking paranoid and they want to get more and all they think about is get more and you're like you're even enjoying this because you don't look like you enjoy playing the [ __ ] fortune you have a beard thinking of the bars friends of Fortunes on on champagne and stuff like that you get it home and you couldn't even get a [ __ ] hours on you know you said maybe two fingers where it's like they said before you have you have a fill and yep the best snake you're like yeah like pills in them days with pills you know I don't know what they're like now because I've [ __ ] never had them but I know this MDMA and stuff like that out there but you know pills in them days where they were brilliant they were the way it goes whereas later on in life like when we started making them we were making Mitsubishis right but we knew what we were putting in them yet you were getting high but it went full mgma and then that's when people started to sort of doing stuff like that and the pills became [ __ ] and I think in 1995 Leo bets died in a S6 I yeah yeah and then the [ __ ] law just totally changed and they started giving heavy sentences and so forth then didn't he without being probably which is probably affected because of the way that that pill was cut which is probably something that was in it you know what everyone else everyone had them apples at the time was right and everyone just went from and all started getting rid of them shooting them stuff like that because no one wanted to buy them yeah and then later on I don't know whether it was the the tablet or it was it was something else but look you've got to look at it this way how many people were dying on ecstasy how many people were dying on I thought oh yeah do you know what I mean so you know we look at it two ways alcohol is probably one of the biggest killers in this country for people to own and it's a drug but it's legal you know what I mean you're going to like California Amsterdam stuff like that you know cannabis is legal it's not legal in this country for a reason because you get caught will you get financed money and what I always say now is in this country now you've got to look at like when whenever I think in the next three or four years we ain't gonna have legal terms of money do you know what I mean you're not going to be able to go in shops with 20 quiz because you go to London now you can't spend cash at hardly anyway so I look at it this way will the country then legalize cannabis because they'll take a hold of it and they'll be able to earn a lot of money on a tax waiters and now they can't yeah you know what I mean England's a big place for drugs and a lot of people want to sell it because it's a quick easy fix and money yeah but it's when the [ __ ] hits the fan and you're sitting inside to in 10 years for some people it might be worth it because they might get out until a few quids for other people it's probably not you know it's it's he walks into the conspiracy he wanted to start the day in the money and then you get nicked and then you get get into conspiracy and you get 10 years yeah that's 10 years then you've got to look at Who's Got a Friend for you while you're in prison but have you got a bed have you got kids you know the other breads went in in jail what's what's going on until I'm outside and that's where people start losing their heads inside start using mobile phones you know what I mean it's like it's like how many people I've seen [ __ ] hit the roof because they think their beds are going out on a Friday and Saturday night when you're stuck in jail mode then after the time you might can be but you you don't see it like that you know what I mean and that's where mobile phones and all that coming yeah yeah we've seen I've seen a lot of people just go through torture thinking about the birds and what I mean I was with it I was really good when I was in the cafe unit to be quite honest with you just to start to get answers and just come home with me like because that might go too much yeah as a couple of months ago the body but the rest of my jail [ __ ] flew through rather than water yeah yeah so so do people get out on top as well though or is it I can imagine in that world it might not be as easy as soon right I've got enough here you know that that's me done because you're either seller or you're a buyer yeah somebody's people yeah you keep buying from me or vice yeah yeah some some people will get in it use the Reds get a few goods out of it a bit yeah and if you could do something right or stay away from it but other people like me I just love the balls I love the buzz of the beginning I was every week yeah I love the buzz of being in parties I love the buzz of being off me ads on tablets and stuff it's exact world as well and then when you're getting paid for it it makes life a lot easier doesn't it yeah if someone gives you 10 grand cash in your hands you but if someone gives you the ground wages in your bank account you'll know every penny that you spend do you know what I mean and that's the difference whether it's when someone gives you lumps of cash you're just like [ __ ] hell millionaire yeah yeah we just you just start going out and being stupid it's ripe though isn't it drugs like it's not to do anymore like on a night out now I reckon labs are 35. that's in 90 round big now I like you got clothes you can't use in a toilet on a night out yeah I just say you like it you just say you need it until you're not getting in there but you know what I used to do I used to buy a little bullet and put me Coke in it you used to twist it and go put it back in your pocket I just look like a little um yeah they even had spoons in a bay for a couple of years ago nobody remember McDonald's wearing them yeah do you have remember McDonald's spoons what like the the ones nobody used to have little tiny spoons you know to stay your tea in but I'm saying all the little black plastic yeah so people attack that's right so like you go with McDonald's silly hours going it's [ __ ] like that you want something sweet ignorance full of food well if in the place trying to stop it as much as because like like moose says like I know who sells it locally and I don't do it it's out of the place not like it wouldn't take CSI mate I need to work out what's going on like this 40 turns to see cars going past like it's not we just remember like if they'll get next yeah no no two ways about it'll get next especially up in Cumbria do you know what I mean it's not like a city center you know what I mean we're Cumbria you know the little farm little farm places yeah well that is yeah but evenly like sports I come it's so easy to get like they're must be an abundance of it because yeah I think it was in lockdown one of our like ladsworth and I said it was easy getting Corky and then toilet bowls yeah do you know I mean that's in lockdown where you don't think the travel and stuff like that you think there must be tons of it everywhere it's like it's just it's floods all over the country yeah you know you I don't go out no more so I don't really see I don't really see it now but from what I hear there's loads of people just say okay they don't drink no that's this new generation don't you don't get us wrong I've I've personally I've tried a couple of things over the years and and have different things and I enjoy especially pills when that recorded me because I've had some of the best nights of my life when I've just had one pill because I'm the massive lightweight but loved up loving life fantastic and then client promotions if this kills me yeah talk to a family sitting outside of McDonald's but even that aside even though it's a good laugh we've always had a good time just on alcohol but that's enough we have a good laugh we don't get aggressive you know we enjoy but even now they don't they don't even dream they're just it is just purely just just off the heads doesn't it become dead unsociable I think they start like oh I don't like this I'm going alone yeah because when you're young it's like you know there's a talk and you're chatting you're having a laugh yeah but as you're getting older in life you're not doing them things that you were doing when you were young yeah you know what I mean so it's a case of you know [ __ ] elephants I'll probably be stuck in the bloody wall or something I just it's not for me as well why would you why would you spend your money you if you were going to do it you do it on a night out you do it in a beef Roar whatever local night or whatever it is but you're out if you're just sitting watching a film at orb or a movie or something like that I don't see that that's where you get that [ __ ] you'll probably find that like two people two people who are married or living together they're the ones that's probably what they might do and they might have a nice in where they'll have a couple of drinks watch your film you know it's not like going into town and going for a rave is it yeah you know we've done all that you know what I mean it's about now you're going up in life yeah like I'm 52 now you know you know what I mean I don't wanna to Wanna Be Strong call because I want to be doing [ __ ] hard remember I've done enough to last me a lifetime yeah when I've been sat there with 10 pound loads talking about well it's it's it's it's what it isn't it yeah you know what I mean it's it's it's not taboo anymore when you want to be when you want to be one of them boys and Club I had [ __ ] people over there left [ __ ] sense and all the time I thought I was [ __ ] King to the [ __ ] kids just a [ __ ] stupid thing to do but you know what I enjoyed it was life you've got some experiences do you think that'll be able to go straight is coming out of jail like ah you've done all like tons of cocaine coming into the Liverpool okay I think what it's called now okay it's just one that's the one I uh do you think do you know what case this case this is probably just earmarked all the time and he's been in I think he's been in prison probably since 1995 right the way through Annie so he hasn't had I don't think he's had much Samos I think it started probably 95 and then 2 000 he was away or whatever it was but then he turned his turn there they got embroiled in another weed deal in Jersey I think a [ __ ] profile I got set up or got another 14 years on top of that and then he gets them with a pocket on top of that you know they just didn't want to let him out you know he's he's what you call he's what people would look up to want to be a drug dealer that always look up to someone like Curtis do you know what I mean but you know okay this now it's probably got he's probably never going to be able to move properly you know he's going to have one phone he's going to have a car registered to them or you know car prosecution orders and I will just make life difficult do they do that after your release as well yes yeah conditions yeah this party release so as a clown prosecution all the funny face sentence whether it's only sort of have one phone like it was restricted from coming back to Liverpool right so it took me two years to come back to Liverpool and fully be able to get back to Liverpool all night I don't live there no more now but you know that's how long it took me I know people now who can't speak to the brothers or can't speak to the family members because of drugs and at the end of the day that there's people going back away for it and you know I hope it doesn't happen to Curtis you know what I mean because I think they think the fella needs a break but it's just who he Associates himself with where he goes and who's going to be watching them you know if someone's watching him that it's got it in for them then you know yeah they'll try and put them back away yeah do you have a cross path with each of us so like just so you and curse were dealing out of Liverpool whatever do you ever like oh well that's he's sorry you know what went he was dealing I was only a kid he's probably about four or five years older than me curious so he was um you do sort of dealing with the kids I only ever seen them in like the buzz club and stuff like that when we were young and then after that here to sort of think he was living abroad most of the time together and that's how we sort of walked on the first try right and then obviously we got him again honey have you ever read that part of the wars where they pull games and no often see he was the one who cast them all up so my neighbor Betty and all that English there was people liking Gold Digger and what I'm wearing them in I've seen that oh yeah yeah tried to get the money for the lead the scrap metal and it was a scrap metal Pig black grass wasn't it some more ladies it was that there was a fella and they're called Paul Grimes he's down as a super glass now but what we pulled now there's a son got addicted to everyone and think he had an overdose on his eyes and he just totally saying the other way then and just flopped on them all layers yeah another poo was horrendous you know because it only rarely come into the Liverpool in the early 80s properly and then where we left all my mates it was a lot of my mates who were living on our state all hooked on smart but he seem to go from good people into bags of Bones and then just didn't robberies and stuff like that a lot of house speakers started getting done because people needed that next fix yeah and that next fixture is going out getting a bag of Bobby I suppose we don't see that as much everyone's still still out there but it's not as big as it was in the 80s everyone's destroyed it's destroyed loads of parts of Liverpool and loads of people in it it's weird why people didn't try isn't it you know like you see people on cork you're like that looks like a good time without pills and that you see people on heroin on a mountain bike trying to make a sauce to be one of the best drugs to Euphoria the reckon it is it's just yeah what about um I think uh Marvin Herbert because you know what you know Marvin so how do you know Marvin so me and Marvel have lent up through through what was being zero and I've got a lot of time he's a [ __ ] proper nice gentlemen good fella and I've taken our mates he's been through the mouth I wouldn't want to cross him no you know what and you're probably in them say she probably wouldn't but you know now he's just he's just a proper nice gentleman yeah and you know what I'm trying to help him do a few little bits and I'll always help him because he's spot on because he was was he like a bit of an enforcer for a group but I still flying yeah because he's been shot in the face the legs he's been he's I think he's had a few of him like did you ever worry about like that like you know what he was one of them you knew in this life you would either go into jail getting the kill or getting shot or you know you were awful ain't you because there is a chance like you like people sought out meetings and did you ever think in the back of your mind like just say you were gone I don't know Columbia or somewhere and Europe to meet up about did you ever think about God it could be my last trip so I think a few times yeah you've been stuck in in places in in Spain or turkey stuff like that and you're thinking what the [ __ ] am I doing here and then you're thinking you'll always think the waste because you're walking into something that you haven't got a clue what's influence here do you know what I mean but it's how you are and how you are with the people and then if you've got a good relationship going with that then obviously you know everything's pretty safe and look if you're doing work for them and they're getting paid you're getting your money everyone's happy it's not going to be a problem it's when stuff goes missing or stuff doesn't get paid for that's when it becomes a problem how often did that happen so if you had like so many deliveries there was there many times like oh one's been bought one percent of the bigger you go the bigger your fall is right you know what I mean so if you're if you're look if you've started off everyone starts off selling little bits when you're young and then it's how you put this as a person then other people see you doing well and you you can you can hold your own and do it then they'll start giving you big of it and then if you've gone from that into dancing keys so excuse me he's like normally messages but if you see if you get like likes of that look if they start getting a ton of Weeds on then that's on a weed that pays out a million quit fall in Spain they've got 1.2 million when it used to come back here if that goes you're laughing Millions then obviously you're dancing in a different world aren't you we see them people like bring it on planes that I don't know that can go through that stress because you just be thinking every time a police looked at you something like you're just paranoid that's that's the thing that's the thing of how you are I [ __ ] be upset in a car with 150 Grands and the boot went up being pulled obviously you know when I've been past speed I've been I've had tablets in the car when police are being pulled it's how you are with the police now if you're gonna [ __ ] yourself in the car the first thing you're going to do is bring everything on top for yourself no you've got to keep that calm about you if they don't know what's in your car and they're not stopping you for a search you know what I mean you know it's how it is you know it's like now if you've got blue lights come on behind you still always have a little Json you won't you always have [ __ ] have I got anything in this car you know what I'm saying obviously yeah yeah it's in your brain but it's actually got done Spain I think if I had that in the car began like nine mile an hour I remember one time I was driving up him by Sir Charles and the copper was I would have gone in all these speed and gone yeah I think I got to turn two and 43 but he pulled me over and I knew it weren't going to be stop saying stuff like that he just said that you know you're a speeding I went look I apologize you know I'm just I'm starting to get on even so obviously said you're only three miles an hour over just watch your speed and get going but then if I'd have got off and saw Chase possibilities either got connected or stayed there and blended it you know what I mean you stay down and blends you've got what's happening there get it it's got to try and thingy your [ __ ] ass is switching but you've got to try and be like please know when you when you're doing something I know what I mean you've got that look of [ __ ] Horror in your face when you pull it up you're sweating you can't talk your mouth drives a [ __ ] [ __ ] and you just like and then just say why can you get off the car and we'll save the car but if he Blends it you've just that's what you gotta do when I got caught on my four months and I seen them pull up behind I thought I'm on my phone so I went like that as if I was just still leaning against the window so when he's popping the Windows like mine look down like oh hi everyone's gone do you think I think you've just been on the floor like that I was like oh okay now something for you wasn't it because I mean I don't know what I was thinking he was going you're on camera we can go back and rewatch the camera or you can do it and I was like yeah sorry sorry yeah there's a police Camera Action as well yeah the camera the boom and that and the the big volume thing in there took us in the can the policeman was lovely because he's on telly yeah yeah and then like during the interview and then they're going oh is that a company can I was like well no it's an Astra for about 40 years ago and he was like laughing at that and he was dead polite the place was it no it was there 1.4 okay and now I just ran up and said you're not putting that on telly because if you wrinkle they've got to blow your face out on it had the producer guy Rings up saying John it's hilarious can we put it on it's like I want that one telling you nothing but it's gone I work and stuff like that what would this benefit me and he's like kept ringing up program right it was supposed to be called Liverpool grafters and it was about like people who have gone after the news changed along the way like had my kids in that program who were telling me telling the impact that I'd on them when I when I was in jail you know what I mean it was powerful stuff for them yeah I think it was about three or four months before the program come out Skyfall me up and said look we're going to be changing the name and calling it Liverpool narcos and I've just said well have you got down on that because just get my kids out of episode three and get me out of episode one I said episode two and finally you know what I mean and I remember I remember the um the trailers that I was sitting in my bedroom and just been watching that but it was half time everything were getting B2 nil I thought you know what I'll have a cup of tea and a sandwich while I'm waiting for it to come back on and you know when you you air something now when when I was getting filmed just as it got 11 bro just as they started to film two kids went past on motorbikes with helmets off and I started to giggle and we looked at the camera and went welcome to Liverpool and then I'm sitting in my bedroom bad day and it was a full Inc a full English fixtures were on at four o'clock because they were all up all the games the F1 was on and I think every channel was sort of playing that I've been sitting there in a bit welcome to Liverpool I went I went okay now just got those shock of me life and then next minute my phone was just going mental and it was like oh loads of me mate some people just saying [ __ ] I've Just Seen London yeah Skype Cinema I've just seen you on F1 I've just seen on the footy Channel and well okay you know but just because I said that when just because then Lance went past on the motorbike I started giggling I would say around well welcome to Liverpool especially and then it was just one of them it just went from there then but if the kids have stayed in it it's been a [ __ ] powerful watch because it just showed the impact it has on them yeah we answered it and I said well I get along because I had written rights to one because I've been and what I couldn't and then once they come back to me since he said the changes to Liverpool now because I just went there I said to take the kids out of the way you've changed Direction yeah I think you've got it like glorifying itself and go down the wrong routes like you're doing something but no you know I mean you look what I have done at the inside I was the only one who had looked at the ends what I've been doing and stuff like that right do you know what I mean but you know to me you know narcos's proper narcos and it's you know escobars and yeah Cali cartels and stuff like that they're not hospitalums uh that shouldn't have been in their costume but you know what they changed the name for for people to sort of get attracted to it yeah do you know what I mean marketing isn't it yeah yeah yeah yeah trying to trigger people yeah that's what they've done it for that's when they're always trying to get like uh that perception isn't it like the underworld you see with some podcasts and I don't it's like wouldn't want to know what you do now it's just about like yeah that's like me I won't go I won't go on loads of podcasts I thought I don't want to go on logs them because I don't want to glorify myself as a gangster or anything like that I'm someone who is trapped in a world they went a lot of money lost it all and then just started coming out and just getting the [ __ ] together you know my life's more about helping people get into a different life where when I first come out five six years ago and I started doing this there were many people like me doing it and what you're seeing now is loads of different people who jumped on the bandwagon are doing it a lot of them do good A lot of them are not interested in a lot of them are just there today money you get what they can out of it yeah where you've gotta you've got to put your stats right that you're putting people out there to work and that's what it's all about so I've got some great companies on board now although you enjoy the time before you said you know some of the cracks you know I wouldn't change myself is is is is is this what you're doing now just as rewarding yeah it's more rewarding yeah because like so I've I I put I'd done something the other day where we got five Lads and we got them all into full-time work but what the employer didn't realize is that we haven't just got them five changed because they've got a wives and girlfriends but they've also got kids somewhere we worked it out it was 24 people's lives that have been changed just by you giving five jobs out yeah people don't see it like that like I've got a lot to come out of jail every day now and go to work and go back to jail they go home every month for two or three days or four days on a home leave you know for people who've got money that's all right but for people who haven't seen have been working then they can actually go out with their families and buy stuff for the kids buy a meal for the misses give them some money you know for me that means a lot because I've seen a lot of people go out with nothing and being in a cat D is you know it's about rehabilitating people and getting them out of work and for me that's where I find the more people you put into work while they're in prison towards the end of the sentence is giving them a little bit more chance at life to stop with your friends and when they get out yeah because that's the r part the easy part to do in your jail and coming out it's it's what you've got to do when you're out you meet the wrong people who who you're working for hands and before long you just you're just bang in the middle of it again aren't you yeah that's the thing if you're on the door getting 60 pound a week or if you don't get 10 grand to drive this somewhere else it's all selling drugs only mates and give a [ __ ] [Laughter] so when I was 16 you know the flat like by quadrant Park I was 16 obviously it was a I'm full at home so I didn't sort of see eye to eye with my dad at the time which comes out the police at the old sport I went and got a flat I got a flat when I was 16 and just cracked on my own so I had no choice other two get out and earn some money yeah and our jobs I had jobs along the way and stuff like that I was taught having job said and doing little bits on the side was always what would be all right and then the more money it ended the bigger I went to office yeah yeah thing with the job center that I worked there for a small period of time ago yeah quite quick but people were coming in like overalls from the [ __ ] job center still have to go in on Monday afternoon he still looking like got [ __ ] signed forms but yeah I'm like a Friday no it was uh but people were coming like overalls on that you like it is this like are you going to try and hide that you're not working like I've got I've got to make this quickly yeah maybe I'll work still like I never expensioned anyone but I used to think play the game a little bit or take them overalls off or stuff like that and because we had a camera outside you get more if you're an alcoholic don't you yeah and you'd have people putting cans on the road obviously I was like [ __ ] it I'll like you can see it on the camera and the gold to sign on years ago you'd have to leave your [ __ ] guy around the corner wouldn't you you don't want me to see it now you pulling up in a video yeah I remember all that look in years I used to pay for your events and stuff like that yeah so you get all the events and stuff paid for get them both 30 quids or 40 quids a week or something like that and then obviously go and buy yourself four tablets enjoy it but it is that's probably a different says you're saying about that and don't get me wrong there's got to be some incentive for people to go out and work and whatever else but the almost they incentivize it disincentivize it and you know more people will be labeled like you said and and you've said Johnny to turn up that quick 10 grand because you're not even getting the 50 60 quid anymore where you can have a you know you can have a couple of drinks in the house of a weekend you're literally potless you've got nothing so what else what else are you gonna do it's it's that's that's the way it was for us it was just going in what you can get out yeah get the night out and just see what you could get over the weekends and then just go from there and then just obviously the bigger you grow and the more people you've got to sell them for you than stuff like that and different sort of categories of drug sort of cigarettes or whatever he was doing at the time then that's the world you're living in it we would talk about that on the way down where I mean I've always had this sort of sort of fantasy it's a probably about bad choice of words in my own Edmond I've been on my ass you know times past and probably you know I'm talking about 10 15 years or whatever to go on it I always thought I'm considered if you had nothing to lose you know then I didn't have a kid or a wife why don't you like to say just get four four against at least you're strong it may be take item get a butt like you said you know the guy over the road still in a bit of pot go over there put The Frighteners up in ask him where he gets it off move on to the next brecky's legs and just carry on so you should do that right because it just makes logical sense to me you think well if I know he's doing it the tax man in um sorry Brian yeah he's changed his life but that's what he was he was he was going to attack some people right Steve and friends the devil that's what he used to do he used to go I don't think he does the same effect [Laughter] would you have to have I suppose you know it's a laugh but to do that if you don't have to have a screw loose because you're getting that far you'd have to be willing yeah Rob someone then obviously they're going to come back at you yeah and you know there's people who are mental cases but you know they're still all are beatings or ridings or getting shots after Robin for robbing drugs off people you can't be talk like you is saying that it's all right having them hard men but if you if you do that and get found out the consequences are a bit worse what Stephen French looks like rocking Adam Brian Brian's what's 24 Stone it was like a big maclati expert years ago as well do you know what I mean yeah yeah so he was saying he was on that he was on not a lot and um then he went the tax man yeah Brian was just he was just an animal when he was a big lump and he just used to vote on Robin Robin and Saxon people you always get that like when we were going up as kids there was a few people around by areas that used to go down just taking people off or gone with a gun or a knife and just rubbing the weeds or the money off them and stuff like that that's what's what happens in it it's counting the place can you not like the drug dealer cats probably nowadays a lot of I've seen a lot of them do you know I've seen I've seen like stuff in the in the paper that goes out where they said look I have the Cannabis farming in the back of my house and he'd come in and rob me and you know he couldn't say like years ago to just get away with it it'd be good to ask I was just gonna ask did anyone try and do that to you tax you no no you'd always hear people someone's followed it or someone's done this but I couldn't give a [ __ ] whether they've done this or done that that never happened to me so no but to be honest it's it's local people in the Army who were game as [ __ ] yeah do you know what I mean sorry you know someone's going to rob you then if you know the eye Liverpool's a place where you get fans out that's easy and all I mean you know I was one of them persons who and go around course and [ __ ] have it do you know what I mean a lot of my stuff I don't know how to turn do you know what I mean like I was supplying different areas yeah you [ __ ] and you don't you don't really you know comes back to biking on the ass don't it so I always kept my stuff out of town when I was later on in life and you get more money for it I've got people in Wales or you know people in town south or up north or some places like that you get more money for your bits than you would in Liverpool come through Liverpool Dock and stuff like is it just that you should say years old Liverpool's the epicenter of the drugs yeah it has a port yeah so what I mean and obviously from that port a lot of drugs starts are coming into Liverpool and then Liverpool just started getting known for having families who are dealing with stuff like that and just you know it takes a bit of a Brin though because that was so big I think it's like being a project manager isn't it really because you've got to deal with people buying it over there you've got the bork guys there you've got a pickle you tell me anywhere you go in this world you're always bump into the sculpture anywhere you go you'll always bump into the skulls always on all that is that everywhere one of my image from London you guys use your [ __ ] like water use and say what do you mean you're getting [ __ ] everywhere you said any [ __ ] word you're all [ __ ] there you Scouts [ __ ] it must be the most common nickname as well in the world because anyone who is a sculptor you're talking skulls from someone in someone's Village or town and they're all they're all given the nickname when a scouse lives in the ability or in your area everyone thinks he's a Madman as well yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know what it could be the most similarious person in the world and say I'm a [ __ ] madman and then that's it Scouts is Superman everyone's like because everybody yeah yeah everyone's got links to Liverpool and then if someone wants drugs they can [ __ ] go but nowadays like you know you get you're getting people sending text messages around like 20 bags of cushion three bags for two bags of Charlie for 50 Quid or I'm thinking [ __ ] hella mindset you wouldn't have even dream it sounds an attacks like that yeah there's groups like HBO as it says end to end encryption that is [ __ ] end-to-ends encryption is it foreign it's like people on Facebook they're selling Digi boxes on Facebook selling Pages don't they you know the IP TV you're like oh yeah you know that's illegal don't you you're just putting on there I'm doing an illegal things just [ __ ] put that that's what people do to to make money from people sell clothes and stuff on it but I watched that house of Gucci have you ever watched it no so what's that out to Gucci and you know all the fake stuff that was going around years ago they was playing it because they weren't asked because their brand was getting out all over the world and if someone who lived in your street was high-end with a nice Beauty bag you wanted them but if you couldn't afford them you'd buy the fake one but then a lot of people didn't realize you were buying the fake one and go buy real ones as well so they're trades went up as well it's genius market like China happy to China a few times and I'll tell you what the [ __ ] copy anything over there and I mean bind to bang to the name because you accept your bird's name if you want it in Chinese right now yeah got [ __ ] chicken Charmaine or something in it it's an impressive place I've watched the fella an artist I've ten canvases and is it like a Monet is it a sunflower or something like that I've watched them starts on the same one right the way through and you know if you go back like three four five hours later you want to see what he's done so then until then pitches me to just just bang to the nail with proper oil painting and that's what that's how the builds over there the bill to to do stuff like that because it's not the same as our other countries yeah where you always look around yourself yeah I used to get toilets and sinks and all that supplies and sensor overbought I used to get filled William by [ __ ] nose up so but you'd send them over and then I've been over there and I've watched I've watched so I used to go to the factories I'm watching sinks and soil that's getting made from cloud getting fired and stuff like that yeah and then you know where you have like Amazon Shacks in blue to say to you what names his old knife and the [ __ ] put it on for you some every uh like bug boots stuff like that yeah you know we were buying Ugg boots straight from the factory that made them out the back door is it as easy as that would Customs or is it like looking for a needle in it here is that for them to be honest that in in the 90s and uh like uh early 2000s when you were doing like alcohol or fake fake stuff and things like that they were getting in all the time yeah and then you start to get an x-ray machines and started open and stuff and I started getting onto China and then they would even weigh in What cities were weighing in a container right you know what I mean so when them container claims pick them up it also weighs them as well so they would say and wait that thing always a full container of cigarettes I think when I got nicked with ours we got 20 26 wagons we're about 30 to 32 000 sleeves and and we have four containers with 90 000 in each I think it's probably about over a million quids worth of I mean a million quid a million sleeves of cigarettes so they were like two hundreds so you you just amount the amount how much that was up for any any stuff like that that has in three piece Suites boilers a fridge insulation it reels a cotton we're all fake inside so there was loads of different ways of getting them in the country through small day yeah you know what I mean so what can I remember having a uni in a noseley and a couple of weeks before I bought a big container the toys and it only had them about 10 they sold a lot of them and then they had a container full of ciggies coming on three piece Suites and stuff and while I'm in there doing doing me working there I had like leather three piece Suites everywhere [ __ ] all the plug comments and they've got a warrant to say it's the premises and I'm a what for because the police don't deal with cities hmrc and he went here for toys there's no toys in the ear maintenance you can see what's in there in the warehouse he was going oh what are these I said they're just I said there's all the paperwork for them I bought them it was gone you know to me I was just I had a blender and a blender there were sounds he went look and eat cheese for sale and I went and all these or go to a shop except for pop in in a few weeks I said they've only come in I said you know we'll always keep them aside he went look Charlie to body we just got sold he was loads of toys isn't he like that that's all right mate they'll give you the information you need then he's like [ __ ] gold but add them in Spain you know what I mean like years ago you could pay the police in Spain to [ __ ] do and give you an escorts yeah yeah but it's like the business have you ever seen the business yeah so it's it's a film with it yeah yeah yeah but it's probably one of the best goals films of that battle you know because that's exactly what it was like right you know what I mean so everyone in Spain later cocaine they didn't want you bringing cocaine but they went asked about weeds because you could get in a boat and drive across some Morocco and come straight back without a ton of weeds in the in a rip you know what I mean if you wanted to put a son in it as a possibility you might be [ __ ] drowning so just do after something that's easy you know yeah but we won't really ask about weeds a lot of countries are not asked about weeds but you look at it now the weed now from when it was when I was a kid you know the green we used to get was sensimilia you know what I've pipped some stuff in you know that was the green we had but we used to smoke Rocky but now there's that many different strands and different strains and different strengths of it a lot of it just knocks you [ __ ] sideways no we don't we don't smoke weed and stuff and then you go and like going in a cafe cafe sorts used to sit outside the grasshopper in Amsterdam and you see all the young kids or people coming over getting stoned and then you'd be sitting outside just chilling because we were there you were living there or you were living rounds about and then you know because as soon as people walk out of their places and the fresh air hits them you see them go you see the colors are straight and I don't know I think you're certain place just got green don't they look like white and then you're like [ __ ] I was going to be sick and then that's it isn't it yeah one of the following sounds and hamsters and we found two the small people to uh we used to call them and um I got them on the Charlie singer we are the lollipop kids outside one of the bars but you know things like that we used to do is just it was just funny yeah yeah you know it's just part of like you and your mates sitting there off your [ __ ] heads laughing your [ __ ] heads off all the time that's what we do isn't it it's not some people shouldn't drink are depressive where's weeds it does make people paranoid it's a depression a life like speeds of stimulants or it's you know weeds are depressant yeah but for us for some people it works in different ways and the different strengths yeah you know what I mean when I was little I used to just sit and think everyone was just LSD so much magic mushrooms were [ __ ] up to this world when we were kids and he's always you go out now and again and now for some elasticity like you'd make it in tea and stuff in Amsterdam and you'd be walking around but okay I've heard some horror stories but if you just you see after you there's times where people in the in the coffee shops will tell you what is going to be strong and what's not yeah the piece of people you listen to I remember being over here and we we certainly about small people one of my mates got married and we um we talked we we took them out for the drink but we've got a a small person dressed as a Smurf you come blue but is that on and everything and you're always supposed to happen for two hours we picked them up at six o'clock he left us at our four in the morning he didn't even [ __ ] charge us he said that stuff he would snort on coke he was on Gary's he was just flying through the floor in nightclubs but it was just one of the funniest things like people trying to get on you know flying on the Gale skate six seconds but he was just a [ __ ] proper funny person yeah you know what I mean so it slaps like that you have when you go out doing stuff like that yeah where nowadays it's not really like what it used to be like years ago because you do something now everyone's got a phone now so no one's pretentious you know it's called sweet person no one knows they're doing it but next minute if there's a fight that's on social media the two people are getting it yeah you know and that's just because my mate was having a fight with Damon I typed in look this is again on Johnny yet I've sent a video to them he sent it to someone else and before you know what it's it's just that we were yeah no that's that's the way the whales are the minutes of [ __ ] nightmare much only for young man I would like to go open this no I wouldn't I've said that all these times what are you doing here you know I'd say to be 16 in in this day and age me I think we were lucky Our Generation probably one of the last ones as mobiles are coming out yeah I think with the orange Motorola used to call them I remember I remember we robbed the golf I must tell anywhere from case the Chinese fellas gets on me but I remember I'm on a golf in a and that's one of the boxes in with the phone on and we come out to quadron Park one like me and we might be getting and the phone starts ringing so I I answered there you [ __ ] play my [ __ ] [ __ ] oh what link my [ __ ] ER said to me may put that out of the window he puts it open like where the quads was used to go over there and but they come back over and break so we was just doing that you could hear him screaming down and fall and that was the very first time we sort of got to use and then you add your bricks like that and then obviously you started getting smaller and smaller than smaller and then the 8210s come out you're not here's and they were the ones that everyone was crafting on yeah but then he sends them text messages and all that stuff isn't it collected awesome Machines man uh you always see them when they're getting cozy like I don't think I'd have that digital Trill do you know what I mean like you'd just be everything yeah you think about it like a lot of a lot of young Lads now the The Walker now like 10 pound phones throw away phones but they've got an iPhone in the back and it tells you okay there's nothing you know me if you're in the hospital I watched I watched the video not long ago about the fellow who travels all around Britain for seven days he took his SIM cards out of the phones turned them off see if anyone could track it he might travel in seven days he plugged them into the Google analytica thing and basically told them every single place he'd been even getting out and walked to a from a train station to a bus and just told them everything yeah yeah and if police get all to your phone or use your watch and all that who's been doing amazers yeah yeah and that's all they got him wasn't it yeah people living and you know when you're in that game or you're having fights with someone or you're having threats with people or someone's gonna do this or someone's gonna do that then the next thing is someone's putting money on your head aren't they it didn't look like a murder today the guy who done it like assured you obviously and he's running gear and stuff like that so you know what it's amazing it just doesn't look like a murder it could be someone just walks up to you it's just it could be the normalest person in the world but you're called You're a cold [ __ ] killer that will just come out and and shoot at someone what was that obviously was that like just two rival gangs or just two yeah you know what Massey used to have all the doors in Manchester years ago didn't he yeah obviously as you get older there's younger kids who are coming through or just you know the way you see it now they'll just [ __ ] shoot yeah yeah you know when you when you've been in the game for years growing up when you get to see an older age you don't really want to be still in it because you've still got the younger ones who are coming to you racks yeah yeah and then it's always one of them younger ones that probably could put you to keep or something like that because there was well liked was nipomas in that area like that I know people who know him in there he was one of them he's always helped the community and stuff like that but no matter they get a lovely blowhole you're not even in that game then sometimes it's it's one of them it'll come to the end you have the New England's up there years ago Dominic and yeah well Damien was a Damian the brother he got I think he got killed in a motorbike he's about when I was his aiming and then you had Desi he was a completely not a barn pot he got killed by the crackhead and then you had Dominic who I think you've been seeing the shows on it it's just all kinds of doing what's going on but you know David they were the family years ago there was loads of family years ago that you know a lot of them just to just fall around the game's empty I was gonna say age like you said 17 year old 18 year old trying to prove themselves yeah we all do is just sort of like got the family and I don't really want to be in it but sort of got a foot in it but they're always going to get ironed out aren't they in the end 100 and that's that's what being in that game's about you know there's three ways you'll have a go and then you'll have a you'll do you'll you'll go to jail no matter what you know what I mean if you're big enough and you're selling it off drugs but you're doing it from in front of people and you'll get next and you'll go to jail you know what I mean the only way you won't go to jail is he ends up dead or you [ __ ] be an informant do you know what I mean and that that basically is what will happen because everyone now who's involved in drugs who not top level ascends on stuff in and things like that it's the ones the dealers they're all the ones that are getting it yeah and then you see like now look the building more bigger jails no I can't say now Jail's probably one of the biggest businesses in the country it's like that in America isn't it that's become a business that's why there are so many people on their side cheaply but don't they sell the football today and you've got you've got to look at America's penal system can ask a lot of people taking a lot of time in there you know what I mean you know and that's the way our prisons are going to go well I watched one of them document he's a guy it was a guy getting stabbed two people holding him down the guy holding his legs was only in there because he forged a check but he had to do it otherwise he gets stabbed you know amazing so he's gone from like doing different different world I'm American jail so like to like here and then you've got the likes of Brazilian jails you've got a Thailand jails Billy Morgan spoke to Billy yeah yeah Billy's boss brilliant fella yeah you know he's been through the mill as well Billy have you watched this film yeah it's a great film yeah I just then countries like Houston been to China I feel like if I was doing that world I wouldn't want to go anywhere where you see like some of them jails I know I was aren't great but I mean they're competing but that's the way ours are compared to things you know we've got like 30 people in jail so I believe too but I believe the prison's over there [ __ ] lenses away that's what's that's what I want to be probably one of the biggest things over there England fans yes there'll be one another drink of course [Laughter] we would probably do it'd be like yeah that's a country where you can basically snug your girlfriends in the street yeah that's what I mean so you know it's it's a different Lord and you know the next the next six weeks over there are going to be really really interesting but I don't think you'll see anything do you know no they'll be on best behavior their police and everything to be honest even even people getting nicked and arrested and stuff like that I don't think you want to see it because I don't think people are going to let out to say it's a country where you can't drink yeah you know you tell me I'm an English supporters over there are not going to be drinking it's what we do we go we go to World Cups and we get pissed and we get loud we have fights I went to the 2006 World Cup me Whitney led me laughing from me nine at the time so I think he's on he's on 15 games right through to the semis quarters final uh Italy we've done like the way around Germany we had a screen but everywhere you went there was just crowds and crowds and scouters and they'd walk past that bargaining no they're not just everywhere you know what I mean and it's it's what it is and then you next minute you're having a bed you're with them you're having a laugh with them towards the end of the night someone gets said so on next minute there's [ __ ] Miami it's just it's just Madness it's like when you're older with your bird isn't it you see a group of lads turn up in the hotel you're like oh yes yeah because I don't know about terrorists then like I said I'm doing my hotel for a week because it's a [ __ ] night well it is not isn't it like yeah it's great isn't it you know full of Bloods and girls wouldn't you over there I'm going back to the hotel where he was staying I could buy some lovely Bears he was beautiful her name goes back to the hotel and then on the big bloody Telly I've just look at you that's a [ __ ] big porn up here I mean Italian I'm like to come back to this but that's what it was like it's just rocket Mania Tenerife like they were the places at the time where he English are always the most friendliest out of all in the East right now you think the most obviously a [ __ ] nightmare as well when they've had a dream but they're always the most polite art and stuff like that but he always uh see Google I'd be like oh [ __ ] it it's like I see I see a difference from town so to up north oh I mean yeah up up north I found that people are more friendly and sort of we're down south you know I thought I found that the north but when when you look at two ways down south the the plane three times as much house rental we were paying down there you have to have good jobs or wait 17 jobs anyway and it was all about people just can't stop being cheating and wait wait oh no what's the same if you go like if you come out of the door you look to say hello don't you you sent Ellington in the north could do that like in London on the tram I pick rocket like [ __ ] Jeffrey dammers yeah but like but you know like who's this yeah [Laughter] yeah North's definitely more friends I'll tell you what I remember was in the cuts in the cutter unit me and I've only been in there a few days and um he wants and still coming in as part and you won't say yeah I like the sentence and that happens and then he started to show me pictures of a seven dead with a gunshot wound with no with the air and I was gone yeah so I couldn't a body up I went I said nobody said if it was I'd do it like a chicken on the joints and then you [ __ ] and I didn't know that did that was [ __ ] shot it was like stopped yeah I'm just passing him going okay I don't want anybody he was [ __ ] sad he was a [ __ ] proper prop of good funny lad and you know just like the the images you showed me like I was just like the [ __ ] going on here you know what I mean you didn't feel like you're trying to show him like what your neck for and then he's pulling like parts of body he's not going on yeah size two that's my [ __ ] you know and then it was a he was like a there was a little Israeli guy in there and then from London I was in there with sitting there having a piece of toast and you can't move off the unit you've got to stay here on that Wing you're staying there and then he's come out of his uh he's come out chest up like a mummy you know with toilet roll wrapped away her arms and with a little period of eyes and he and but imagine he's had the big beard as well I might see me make one what the [ __ ] is this one to you in here yeah I don't think he realized how [ __ ] quit toilet paper went on fire he went bastards one of the lads on there is [ __ ] kind of a big boiling water the flask all over him he got recommended and got up 10 months early for that I don't know it's just like right now in in there it's just you know like when I first went on there it goes into into the unit her name I remember the screws saying to me look at this [ __ ] lunatics in here they're doing 20 30 40 years one thing twice about stabbing it in the neck and stuff like that and then you have to go in like in the block for observation for five to seven days he was a nice kid though it was all like like they're all [ __ ] handfuls or anything then obviously when we were in there I think there's only 17 there was some then did nectar load to Salford large you know for all the robberies and stuff right and then next minute was just [ __ ] shocker yeah that's what the no-ns are doing wasn't it a lot of armed robberies yeah yeah I think Young Desi though I think he was in for the Grafton right I didn't know what I mean but they were their kids then so they were like big dead big Day in the United kids it was two twins two nice kids to be honest lucky meet some characters in jail you will rarely meet some funny some of the funniest characters in jail it's just be grinding fly on the wall to see those sort of things are happening that's why it's so popular like prison dramas and things because people are fascinated like but if you know a couple of years ago it was all about drugs drugs prison prison prison now if you go on like Netflix and stuff it's all about [ __ ] serial killers in it yeah so they keep changing the genres all the time and like I was like that chairman Jeff Jeff diameter yeah yeah where for me [ __ ] all that and his dad once that's why he became like that you were picking [ __ ] animals up off the road and then cut them up that's like me saying to me sunny I've got a kilo a cold here come and show you how to do this at least one again I'll be a [ __ ] drug dealer get a bottle of acid in his bedroom do you need like that's a red flag isn't it you know someone says I don't know like dear people do it or not like that but there was like Bud stains on the bed I don't know if this is real or else but you just think oh that's a bit off isn't it I think he was drugging people inside yeah that's not for me probably no Lads I would end up drugging yeah and being like it's be feeling a bit woozy yeah like we get the [ __ ] out my house it's like you see some of them now like serial killers that just stop you can just like that Society though as well isn't it you were talking about like older people get up with these different games and like that I suppose the criminal world I'm guessing years ago probably a bit more gentlemanly and it was you've had your time move onwards now like you say you get a kid who's in his team so stab someone shoot some more but you've got like some Mexican Columbiana live yeah you know what I mean it's in different different worlds it's a different ways to do but it's easy to work it's more extreme in a way it is because WhatsApp gives you all the videos of what's Happening all over the world with stuff [Music] you know we didn't have a lot of kids but now the kids these days have got it all and everyone watches them all yeah you know what I mean some sick horrible videos go out there and I'm thinking why would you [ __ ] want to send lots of people yeah they used to argue about if you could play on Grand Theft Auto when we were kids I know what to say they've got Jeffrey Dahmer on TV that's when he was 13. and I've walked in his bedroom he's playing and I went the back the taxi was shaking and I went what are you doing name on top just picked a plus to cheat up on my [ __ ] house [ __ ] take a team I thought I was okay to spend hours thrown around town picking up and picking them up City yeah I think it cost you a [ __ ] 40 yeah not on the game uh listen nice to be uh are we like yeah no that's great you're like Tuesday yeah just sit there just be normal about life yeah do you know what I mean [Music]

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Length: 99min 31sec (5971 seconds)

Published: Fri Dec 09 2022