JONI LAMB: SO HOW DO YOU FIND
YOUR WAY THROUGH TRAGEDY TO FIND HOPE AGAIN? WELL, DR. LEE WARREN
SHARES THE HEARTBREAKING STORY OF LOSING HIS SON AND HOW GOD
WALKED HIM THROUGH THE PAIN. IF YOU'RE ENJOYING TABLE TALK,
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DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE FACE OF
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS? AND HOW IMPORTANT IS HOPE WHEN WALKING THROUGH
DIFFICULT SEASONS. WELL, TODAY'S GUEST FOUND HIMSELF FACE TO FACE
WITH TRAGEDY AND HEARTBREAK, AND HE'S HERE TO SHARE WHAT HE LEARNED
THROUGH IT. BUT FIRST JOINING ME
AROUND THE TABLE IS APRIL SIMONS,
HOW ARE YOU? I AM DOING GREAT. JONI: YOU'RE USUALLY
THERE ON THE END, YOU START US OFF. APRIL: I START US OFF. JONI: WITH A
LITTLE BIT OF HOPE. APRIL: YEAH. JONI: WITH A
LITTLE BIT OF HOPE. APRIL: I LOVE THAT
THIS IS ABOUT HOPE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE
NEVER KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH. AND THIS IS SUCH
A GREAT STORY. I MEAN, IT'S A SAD STORY, BUT IT ENDS UP
A GREAT STORY, AND PEOPLE NEED
HOPE EVERYWHERE. JONI: WE DO. AND DOROTHY, YOU
KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS THAT HOPE DEFERRED
MAKES THE HEART SICK. DOROTHY: YES. JONI: AND IF
THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TODAY ABOUT IS YOU CANNOT LOSE
YOUR HOPE. NO MATTER WHAT'S
GOING ON, YOU CANNOT LOSE IT, AND YOU'RE GONNA
REALLY BE ENCOURAGED TODAY. SO STAY RIGHT THERE. HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT? DOROTHY: IT'S
SO IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, WE NEVER KNOW WHAT
OTHER PEOPLE'S PAIN IS LIKE, AND WE CAN'T MINIMIZE IT. BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP
GOING NO MATTER WHAT. THE ONLY WAY
TO KEEP GOING IS TO ALLOW AND
SURRENDER TO GOD THAT HE'S GONNA HELP
US GET THROUGH IT. JONI: ANNA KENDALL,
WE ALL HAVE MOMENTS WHERE HOPE WILL TRY TO
BE EXTINGUISHED FROM OUR LIFE. ANNA: ABSOLUTELY. BUT IF WE CAN JUST
KEEP THE HOPE ALIVE, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT
HASN'T SURPRISED GOD. GOD KNEW THIS WAS
GOING TO HAPPEN, AND HE'S HERE WITH US. HE WILL ALWAYS
SEE US THROUGH IT. AND I'M SO HONORED TO
BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY. JONI: WELL, WE'RE
JUST SO HONORED TO ALWAYS HAVE YOU AT THE TABLE
WITH YOUR BEAUTIFUL RED HAIR. SO GORGEOUS AND
ADJUST YOUR TV SETS. CINDY JOHNSTON,
HOW ARE YOU? CINDY JOHNSTON: HI,
I'M DOING GREAT. JONI: HAS THE ENEMY EVER
TRIED TO STEAL YOUR HOPE? CINDY JOHNSTON: OF COURSE. JONI: YEAH. CINDY JOHNSTON: HE HAS TRIED
AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT TIMES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. JONI: YEAH, FOR A MOMENT. CINDY JOHNSTON: BUT WITH
MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD, I KNOW THAT I WILL
ALWAYS HAVE HOPE IF I JUST PUT
MY EYES ON HIM. JONI: YEAH. THAT REMINDS ME
OF THAT SONG, CINDY MURDOCK,TURN
YOUR EYES UPON JESUS. CINDY: OH, YES. ♪ LOOK FULL IN HIS
WONDERFUL FACE ♪ ♪ AND THE THINGS
OF EARTH ♪ ♪ WILL GO STRANGELY DIM ♪ IN THE LIGHT OF HIS
GLORY AND GRACE ♪ JONI: THAT WAS A
FREE LITTLE SONG. DOROTHY: AMEN. JONI: IT'S SO TRUE
THOUGH, ISN'T IT? CINDY: OH, MY
GOODNESS, YES. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE
CONTINUE WITHOUT HOPE FOR TOO LONG, WE GET INTO SO MUCH DESPAIR AND THEN WE START MAKING
ALMOST INSANE DECISIONS ABOUT OUR LIFE
BECAUSE IT'S A HOPE, WE FEEL THAT HOPELESSNESS. BUT THANK GOD IF WE CAN
TURN OUR EYES ON JESUS AND ALLOW HIM TO
BRING THAT HOPE BACK, HE WILL. JONI: YEAH, WE CAN'T
STAY THERE. WE CAN'T GET STUCK. SOME OF YOU
TODAY ARE STUCK. STAY RIGHT THERE, DO NOT CHANGE
THAT CHANNEL. YOU GOT TO LISTEN TO THIS. WELL, OUR GUEST TODAY
IS A NEUROSURGEON AND A FORMER
COMBAT SURGEON WHO SERVED IN IRAQ, AND HE'S TO SHARE ABOUT HIS
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH TRAUMA AND THE IMPORTANCE
OF HOPE. PLEASE WELCOME
DR. LEE WARREN. ♪♪♪ JONI: GOD BLESS YOU. DR. LEE: THANK YOU. CINDY: WELCOME. DR. LEE: THANK
YOU, LADIES. JONI: WE HAVE A REAL BRAIN
SURGEON AT THE TABLE. DR. LEE: WE DO. CINDY: LOVE IT. JONI: WE WANT YOU TO
EXAMINE ALL OF OUR BRAINS. DR. LEE: AM I THE FIRST
BRAIN SURGEON ON THIS SHOW? JONI: YEAH, YOU'RE THE
FIRST BRAIN SURGEON. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS
FORMER COMBAT SURGEON, DR. LEE WAS NO STRANGER
TO DEALING WITH TRAUMA, BUT NOTHING COULD PREPARE
HIM FOR THE TRAGEDY THAT WOULD SHAKE
HIM TO THE CORE. A MYSTERIOUS MURDER
THAT CLAIMED THE LIFE OF HIS 19-YEAR-OLD SON AND LEFT HIM
WITH NO ANSWERS. AND I DO WANT TO
GET INTO THAT. OF COURSE, YOU'VE
WRITTEN THE BOOK, HOPE IS THE FIRST DOSE. NOW THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR
SAYING A TREATMENT PLAN FOR RECOVERING
FROM TRAUMA, TRAGEDY AND OTHER
MASSIVE THINGS. SO TELL US ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED TO YOU IN IRAQ. WHAT DID YOU DO IN IRAQ? DR. LEE: SO I WAS DEPLOYED
IN 2005 TO A TENT HOSPITAL IN THE COMBAT. THE HEAVIEST COMBAT
AREA OF THE IRAQ, BALAD AIR BASE, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE SUNNI TRIANGLE. AND I PERFORMED 200
BRAIN SURGERIES IN THAT TENT ENVIRONMENT AND SURVIVED OVER A
HUNDRED MORTAR ATTACKS. JONI: 200 BRAIN SURGERIES. ANNA: IN THE
MIDDLE OF THAT. JONI: AND A HUNDRED
MORTAR ATTACKS. AND WHAT KIND OF INJURY? OBVIOUSLY, TRAUMA
TO THE HEAD. DR. LEE: A LOT OF
PENETRATING BRAIN INJURY. AT THAT TIME,
THEY WERE USING A LOT OF THE IED'S
AND ROADSIDE BOMBS. AND SO WE TOOK CARE OF
IRAQI CIVILIANS, INCLUDING BABIES AND
INJURED BYSTANDERS AND SURGEONS AND ENEMIES
AND FORCES AND COALITION TROOPS AND
AMERICAN SOLDIERS. SO EVERYBODY. JONI: SO YOU CAME BACK
FROM THAT DEPLOYMENT. DR. LEE: I DID. JONI: BUT WHILE
YOU WERE GONE, YOU ACTUALLY WENT
THROUGH A DIVORCE AND THAT HAPPENS A LOT OF
TIMES WITH OUR SOLDIERS AND JUST REALLY PRAY FOR
OUR SOLDIERS AND FAMILIES. BUT YOU WENT NOT ONLY
THROUGH THE TRAUMA OF WHAT YOU SAW IN THE WAR, BUT GOING THROUGH A
DIVORCE PERSONALLY, AND YOU CAME BACK
TRAUMATIZED. BUT BEING A DOCTOR, THEY'RE SOMETIMES
THE WORSE PATIENT. YOU SAID YOU
LOCKED IT ALL AWAY IN A TRUNK.
TELL US ABOUT HOW
YOU KIND OF COMPARTMENTALIZED THAT
TRAUMA. DR. LEE: YOU KNOW,
IT WAS INTERESTING. SO I HAD ALL THIS GOING
ON IN MY PERSONAL LIFE. AND I WAS GOING, COMING
HOME FROM THE WAR, AND I PUT ALL MY UNIFORMS
AND MEMORABILIA AND BULLET FRAGMENTS THAT I HAD TAKEN
OUT OF PEOPLE'S BRAINS IN THIS TRUNK THAT
I BROUGHT HOME AND PUT IN THE GARAGE. AND FOR FIVE YEARS, NEVER TALKED
ABOUT THAT STUFF, NEVER OPENED IT UP. KIND OF FOUNDED OUR
PRIVATE PRACTICE. JONI: YOU'VE REMARRIED. DR. LEE: REMARRIED. LISA WHO IS HERE WITH
US TODAY. JONI: WHO IS HERE
IN THE STUDIO TODAY. DR. LEE: AND WE PUT
OUR LIVES TOGETHER AND BLENDED OUR FAMILIES, AND I DID ALL THIS WORK AND I WAS JUST MOVING
FORWARD WITH MY LIFE. AND ABOUT FIVE YEARS
AFTER I GOT HOME, I HAD A MASSIVE EVENT
THAT REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE PTSD OF ALL OF THOSE MEMORIES THAT I HAD STUFFED
INTO THAT METAPHORICAL AND PHYSICAL TRUNK, CAME OUT OF ME IN THE FORM OF NIGHTMARES
AND FLASHBACKS AND TERROR. JONI: AND SO THERE ARE
PEOPLE WATCHING RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'VE DONE
THE SAME THING. YOU'VE PACKED, WHATEVER
TRAUMA IT WAS, IT WAS YEARS AGO AND YOU'VE JUST
COMPARTMENTALIZED AND PACKED IT OVER HERE. BUT AT SOME POINT, THAT HAS TO COME UP. THE LIGHT HAS
TO SHINE ON IT. AND THAT'S REALLY
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BE HEALED. WHETHER IT'S GETTING
CHRISTIAN COUNSELING OR HAVING AN
ENCOUNTER WITH GOD. OBVIOUSLY, READING
THE WORD OF GOD. ALL THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN HELP BECAUSE THE BIBLE
TALKS A LOT ABOUT THIS. AND SO FOR YOU, WHAT HAPPENED
TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE GOT AN ISSUE. I GOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, AND I'VE GOT TO
GET SOME HELP. DR. LEE: SO REALLY
IT WAS LISA. SHE SAID -- JONI: YOUR WIFE. DR. LEE: SHE'S MY WIFE. SHE SAID YOU ARE
DEALING WITH THE FACT THAT YOU SUPPRESSED
ALL THIS TRAUMA AND YOU NEED TO UNPACK IT. WHETHER THAT'S TALKING
TO A THERAPIST, SHE SUGGESTED THAT
I WRITE AND JOURNAL. AND I DIDN'T LISTEN
TO HER, OF COURSE. JONI: YOU HEAR THE DOCTOR
OVER HERE, DON'T YOU? DR. LEE: I DIDN'T
LISTEN TO HER. JONI: HE DID NOT LISTEN. DR. LEE: SO SEVERAL
MONTHS WENT BY OF THIS, AND IT WAS GETTING WORSE
INSTEAD OF BETTER. AND I BUMPED INTO A
FRIEND AT THE HOSPITAL WHO IS A PSYCHIATRIST, AND I DID THE
FAMOUS THING. HEY, I'VE GOT THIS FRIEND WHO IS DEALING WITH... [ LAUGHTER ] DR. LEE: HE SAID, WELL,
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOUR FRIEND'S
WIFE IS RIGHT. YOU NEED TO WRITE
ABOUT THIS STUFF. AND SO THAT BECAME
MY FIRST BOOK, NO PLACE TO HIDE. I WROTE ABOUT WHAT
WAS HAPPENING AND UNPACKED IT. JONI: DID IT HELP
YOU TO WRITE IT DOWN TO BRING LIGHT,
SHED LIGHT ON IT? DR. LEE: IT DID. AND THE MOST INTERESTING
THING I THINK THE LESSON THAT I LEARNED THAT CAME YEARS LATER,
TO BE REALLY HELPFUL, IS I FOUND THAT SHARING
SOMETHING THAT I'D BEEN THROUGH WITH OTHER PEOPLE, TURNED OUT TO BE REALLY
HELPFUL TO THEM, AND THEN THAT WAS IN TURN
SORT OF MORE HELPFUL TO ME TO FIND OUT THAT
IT'S REALLY TRUE WHAT THE SCRIPTURE
SAYS ABOUT BEARING EACH OTHER'S BURDENS. AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED
TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING AND HIDE IT. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO USE
IT TO HELP OTHERS, AND THEN THAT
WILL HELP US HEAL. JONI: SO NOW I REALLY
WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY, THE DIFFERENT WAYS
THAT PEOPLE PROCESS TRAUMA YOU TALK ABOUT
IN THE BOOK. AND IT'S SO INTERESTING. Y'ALL ARE GONNA SEE
YOURSELF IN ONE OF THESE. SO GET READY FOR THIS. BECAUSE WE'VE ALL HAD
MOMENTS OF TRAUMA WHERE WE WENT THROUGH
SOMETHING TRAUMATIC. I KNOW ALL OF
Y'ALL'S STORIES. AND SO THERE ARE
DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE PROCESS. AND SO THE FIRST WAY IS? DR. LEE: WELL, THE FIRST
THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IS THERE'S A
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHOSE LIFE SEEMS LIKE
THEY'RE PRETTY SOLID. WE KNOW WHAT WE BELIEVE. YOU KNOW, WE GO TO CHURCH. WE HAVE FAITH, WE HAVE OUR FAMILIES
PUT TOGETHER. AND THEN SOMETHING
HAPPENS, AND IT CHALLENGES WHAT
WE THOUGHT WE KNEW ABOUT OUR OWN LIFE, AND IT WIPES US OUT. AND SO THESE
PEOPLE IN THE BOOK I CALL CRASHERS. THEY SEEM OKAY, AND THEN
THE FIRST TIME THEY HAVE A MAJOR LIFE CHALLENGE, THEY SORT OF CRASH. AND NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE THAT
RECOVER FROM THEIR CANCER, AND THEY STILL AREN'T
EVER OKAY AGAIN. AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW THAT 30
YEARS LATER YOU SAY, HEY, HOW'S IT DOING? JONI: THEY'RE STILL
TALKING ABOUT IT. DR. LEE: RIGHT,
REMEMBER THAT THING THAT HAPPENED 30 YEARS AGO, I'M STILL DEALING
WITH THAT. AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ULTIMATELY SOMETIMES
NUMB THEMSELVES WITH ALCOHOL OR
SOMETHING ELSE, OR SOME WAY TO STOP
THINKING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF
HEALING FROM IT. JONI: SO THOSE
ARE THE CRASHERS. DR. LEE: THOSE
ARE THE CRASHERS. JONI: THEY AT ONE
TIME WERE HERE, THEY HAD THIS
BELIEF SYSTEM AND THEN THE
TRAUMA HAPPENED, THE DISAPPOINTMENT
HAPPENED, AND THEY CRASHED. AND JUST CAN'T -- ANNA: DON'T RECOVER. JONI: RECOVER FROM IT, THEN THE SECOND KIND? DR. LEE: THE
SECOND GROUP, AND THE ONES THAT
I DON'T UNDERSTAND ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT I CALL UNTOUCHABLES. THEY SEEM -- JONI: THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE Y'ALL. DR. LEE: RIGHT? WE WANT TO BE
UNTOUCHABLE, BUT MOST OF US AREN'T,
UNFORTUNATELY. WE HAVE A SET OF THINGS THAT WE THINK WE BELIEVE AND MASSIVE LIFE
TRAUMA HAPPENS, AND IT TURNS OUT WE REALLY
DO BELIEVE THOSE THINGS. AND THAT THEY REALLY
DO HOLD US UP WHEN LIFE SEEMS TO
FALL APART. JONI: WELL, THEY STAND EVEN IN THE FACE OF TRAUMA. THEY KEEP STANDING ON
THE ROCK CHRIST JESUS. ANNA: THEY GO
THROUGH GRIEF, BUT IT DOESN'T -- DR. LEE: OF
COURSE THEY DO. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THEY DON'T STOP, IT'S NOT THAT
THEY DON'T HURT, IT'S THAT THEY KNOW
WHERE TO PUT THEIR HURT. ANNA: YES. DR. LEE: AND THEY
GOT SOMEBODY TO HELP THEM CARRY IT. AND THEY HOLD ON TO IT, AND THEY NEVER WAVER. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT GROUP. JONI: I WOULD
SAY THAT GROUP IF YOU WERE TO POLL THEM, THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE
REALLY SOLID IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. THEY HAVE A KNOWLEDGE
OF THE WORD OF GOD. THEY HAVE A PRAYER LIFE AND A RELATIONSHIP, A VERY PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. NOT TO SAY THE
OTHERS DON'T, BUT I'M SAYING TO ME, YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO
HAVE THAT FOUNDATION TO BE ABLE TO
BE UNTOUCHABLE. DR. LEE: THAT'S RIGHT. JONI: JOB WAS UNTOUCHABLE. DR. LEE: HE WAS AND THAT'S A PERFECT
EXAMPLE OF THIS. YOU CAN GO THROUGH
IMMENSE SUFFERING AND NOT LOSE YOUR HOPE. AND THEN THERE'S
ANOTHER GROUP. THEY'RE SUPER
SURPRISING TO ME. I HAD A PATIENT
NAMED JOEY, I WRITE ABOUT IN THE BOOK,
WHO HIS DAD LEFT
WHEN HE WAS BORN. HIS MOM DIED AROUND
THE TIME HE WAS BORN. HE ENDED UP IN DRUGS. HE ENDED UP GETTING
ARRESTED BY THE DEA FOR RUNNING A METH LAB AND GOT HIT IN THE
HEAD BY AN OFFICER AS HE WAS ARRESTED. AND THAT'S WHEN I MET HIM WAS OPERATING ON HIM, BECAUSE HE HAD A
SKULL FRACTURE. AND WHILE I WAS
FIXING THAT, I NOTICED SOMETHING
ABOUT HIS BRAIN THAT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT. AND A BIOPSY I DID
IT TURNED OUT HE HAD BRAIN CANCER. AND SO HERE'S THIS
DOWN AND OUT GUY, WHO HAD NO FAITH, NO HOPE. JONI: I MEAN, CAN ANYTHING
ELSE BAD HAPPEN TO THIS GUY? DR. LEE: THAT'S BASICALLY
HOW HE REACTED. I SAID, JOEY, YOU HAVE
BRAIN CANCER. AND HE SAID, OF
COURSE, I DO. WHY WOULDN'T I? EVERYTHING ELSE IN MY
LIFE HAS BEEN TERRIBLE. BUT DURING THE YEAR WHERE
HIS CANCER WAS RAGING AND HE WAS DYING, HE MET A CHAPLAIN WHO SHOWED HIM
ABOUT JESUS. HE FOUND SOMEBODY
WHO LOVED HIM. HIS GRANDMOTHER
STRENGTHENED HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. HIS SISTER CAME BACK INTO
HIS LIFE MORE STRONGLY. AND HE CAME ALIVE WHILE HE WAS DYING. AND SHORTLY
BEFORE HE DIED, HE TOLD ME AND LISA, BECAUSE SHE WORKED IN
OUR PRACTICE AND RAN OUR PRACTICE FOR YEARS, HE SAID THIS HAS BEEN THE
BEST YEAR OF MY LIFE. APRIL: WOW. DR. LEE: WHILE
HE WAS DYING. SO HE HAD THE OPPOSITE OF
WHAT THE CRASHERS HAVE, WHERE ADVERSITY
BROUGHT HIM ALIVE. JONI: WHAT IS THAT GROUP CALLED? DR. LEE: I CALL THEM CLIMBERS. JONI: CLIMBERS. DR. LEE: THEY CLIMB OUT OF THE HOLE. JONI: THEY'RE AT BOTTOM. DR. LEE: RIGHT. JONI: AND THEY CLIMB TO THE TOP. THE THING ABOUT THAT, HE HAD HIS BEST YEAR
AND HIS WORSE YEAR. DR. LEE: AT THE SAME TIME. JONI: AT THE SAME TIME. DR. LEE: AND SO THEN
MOST OF US I THINK, WHAT LISA AND I FOUND
OURSELVES TO BE, WE CALL OURSELVES SORT OF THESE DIPPERS. WHERE WE HAVE WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW, AND LIFE HITS US HARD, AND WE BEGIN TO FALL AND DESPAIR, BUT OUR BELIEF SYSTEM HOLDS US UP. WE DON'T CRASH ALL THE WAY BECAUSE WHAT WE
THOUGHT WE BELIEVED TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE. GOD SAYS HE'S CLOSE
TO THE BROKENHEARTED, AND THEN YOU FIND
YOURSELF BROKENHEARTED, AND IT TURNS
OUT TO BE TRUE, HE'S THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, YOU START SEEING OTHER
PROMISES COME TRUE. LIKE ROMANS 8:28
CAN BECOME TRUE. LIKE GOD'S GONNA WORK
SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF THIS. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO
SORT OF ZOOM YOUR BRAIN TO WHERE YOU CAN ACCEPT TWO
THINGS THAT JESUS SAID, THAT BOTH ARE TRUE AT
THE SAME TIME. JOHN 16:33 HE SAYS, THE WORLD IS GONNA
BE HARD FOR YOU. AND JOHN 10:10, HE SAID, I CAME HERE THAT YOU CAN
HAVE ABUNDANCE IN YOUR LIFE. JONI: YEAH. DR. LEE: AND YOU CAN
HAVE BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, YOU LOSE A CHILD, LIKE IT'S NOT GOOD. BUT GOD CAN SHOW YOU HOW HE CAN TURN YOUR LIFE
INTO SOMETHING THAT HAS MEANING AND PURPOSE. AND YOU CAN END UP
TEN YEARS LATER -- ANNA: TAKE THE TRAUMA -- DR. LEE: ALIVE AGAIN. ANNA: SOMETHING
GOOD COMES OF IT. DR. LEE: THAT'S RIGHT. JONI: LET'S TALK
ABOUT THOSE AGAIN. SO THE DIPPER,
Y'ALL GET THAT. HERE'S THE DIPPER. JUST GOES, SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY'RE UP HERE, SOMETHING HAPPENS, AND THEN COME BACK UP. DR. LEE: THAT'S RIGHT. JONI: THE CRASHER IS JUST -- DR. LEE: NEVER COME BACK. JONI: NEVER COME BACK. THE UNTOUCHABLE IS LIKE. DR. LEE: THAT'S RIGHT. JONI: AND THEN -- DR. LEE: CLIMBER. DOROTHY: CLIMBER. JONI: THE CLIMBER IS ALREADY DOWN HERE, AND GOD IN HIS GRACE AND MERCY, REACHES DOWN AND THEY FIND THAT HOPE THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS LOOKED FOR AND THEY JUST START
GOING UP, UP, UP, UP. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW
WHICH ONE OF THOSE YOU ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU'VE SUFFERED, BUT I THINK THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO, AND I'M GONNA
DO RIGHT NOW IS JUST LEAD YOU IN
A SINNER'S PRAYER. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA
MAKE IT THROUGH ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR CREATOR. AND HE WANTS THAT
MORE THAN ANYTHING AND THAT'S WHY
HE SENT HIS SON TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR MY
SINS AND FOR YOUR SINS. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST SAY, JESUS, COME INTO MY
HEART RIGHT NOW. I NEED YOU. FORGIVE ME, WASH ME CLEAN. FILL ME WITH
YOUR HOLY SPIRIT IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN, AND EVERYTHING
WILL CHANGE. AND I ALWAYS TALK
ABOUT MY GRANDPA, TOLD THE STORY
A HUNDRED TIMES. HE DIDN'T KNOW
HOW TO PRAY. LIKE HE DIDN'T
GROW UP IN CHURCH, HE CUSSED EVERY
OTHER WORD. AND ON A MONDAY MORNING, HE KNELT DOWN WHERE
HE WAS WORKING AND JUST SAID, GOD,
IF YOU'RE THERE, I NEED YOU. AND GOD ENVELOPED
HIS LIFE, CHANGED HIS LIFE, THE COURSE OF OUR FAMILY. HE WANTS TO DO
THAT FOR EVERYONE. IS THAT THE FIRST
IMPORTANT STEP? DR. LEE: ABSOLUTELY. YOU FIND YOUR HOPE
IN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, IN A DIAGNOSIS
THAT NEVER CHANGES, WE HAVE ETERNAL SECURITY. AND WE HAVE SOMETHING
TO LIVE FOR BEYOND WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR
PHYSICAL BODIES. JONI: OKAY, WELL, I'M GONNA
LET THE LADIES SAY SOMETHING. BUT I WANTED TO GET
YOUR WHOLE STORY IN. BUT YOU WENT THROUGH ALL
THE TRAUMA OF IRAQ, AND ALL THAT YOU
SAW AND EXPERIENCED, YOU WORK THROUGH THAT. YOU KNOW, OPENED
THAT, WHAT WAS IT? DR. LEE: THE TRUNK. JONI: THE TRUNK. YOU OPENED THE TRUNK, PULL ALL THAT OUT, EXPOSE IT TO THE LIGHT. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU GET A CALL. DR. LEE: UH-HUH. JONI: TELL US ABOUT THAT DAY. DR. LEE: TUESDAY NIGHT
IN AUGUST OF 2013, THE PHONE RANG AND
IT WAS MY EX-WIFE. AND TOLD US THAT MITCHELL
HAD BEEN STABBED TO DEATH, AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES
WERE REAL MURKY. WE STILL DON'T
KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. HIM AND HIS BEST FRIEND WERE BOTH STABBED TO
DEATH, 19 YEARS OLD. AND WE WERE AN HOUR LATER STANDING OUTSIDE
ON THE STREET, OUTSIDE OF THIS HOUSE WHERE THE TWO BOYS WERE AND WATCHED THEM
ROLL OUR SON'S BODY INTO THE AMBULANCE. WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE
OF THIS MOMENT THAT FELT LIKE A CREATION
STORY HAPPENING, EXCEPT IT WAS ONE YOU
WOULD NEVER WANT. LIKE A NEW REALITY
FOR YOUR FAMILY WAS BEING BIRTHED
OUT OF THIS TRAUMA. AND IT WAS, AFTER A CAREER
OF SERVING PEOPLE IN THEIR WORSE MOMENTS, AND THINKING I KNEW
HOW TO HELP PEOPLE, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY WORDS
TO HELP MYSELF OR MY FAMILY PROCESS THAT. JONI: OKAY, SO OF
THE FOUR GROUPS, WHICH WERE YOU
AT THAT MOMENT? DR. LEE: WELL, AT THE MOMENT
I THOUGHT I WAS A CRASHER. AND IT FELT LIKE WE WERE
NEVER GONNA BE OKAY AGAIN. AND I THINK
TIME SHOWS YOU, AND GRACE SHOWS YOU, OVER TIME THAT SOME OF THE
PLACES THAT YOU THOUGHT YOUR FOOT WOULD LAND, IT REALLY DID LAND THERE. AND IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE AND
CRUMBLE AND YOU DIDN'T FALL. AND SO WE FOUND OURSELVES WITH A FOUNDATION THAT FELT LIKE WE COULD
POTENTIALLY CLIMB BACK UP AGAIN TO SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE
NORMAL, HOPEFUL, MAYBE EVEN HAPPY LIFE AGAIN. JONI: YOU HAD AN EVENT THAT TOOK PLACE WHEN
YOU BURIED MITCHELL. WHAT WAS THAT? DR. LEE: SO THE DAY THAT
WE BURIED OUR SON, OUR FIRST GRANDDAUGHTER
SCARLET WAS BORN IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. JONI: THINK ABOUT
HER NAME, Y'ALL. SCARLET. ALMOST REPRESENTIVE
OF RED, THE BLOOD OF JESUS. DR. LEE: SO IT WAS
THIS CRAZY TIME WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO
BE IN SAN ANTONIO WITH KATIE, OUR OLDEST DAUGHTER AND
NATE, HAVING ALL THIS JOY AND ALL THIS HAPPINESS, BUT WE WEREN'T. WE WERE IN ALABAMA
AT A FUNERAL. AND SHE WAS THERE DELIVERING
SCARLET WITHOUT US. AND SO THERE WAS ALL THIS JOY AND SADNESS AND
GRIEF AND HAPPINESS, ALL MIXED UP AT ONCE. AND I THINK GOD
GAVE US THAT SO THAT WE WOULDN'T
SEE MITCH'S DEATH AS THE ONLY THING THAT
COULD DEFINE OUR LIFE. BECAUSE WE HAD THIS
TANGIBLE LITTLE PERSON THAT WAS COMING INTO THE
WORLD AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO IT WAS,
IT WAS THIS, FELT LIKE AN
ALTERED REALITY WHERE THE WORSE THING
THAT COULD HAPPEN AND THE BEST THING
THAT COULD HAPPEN ARE HAPPENING AT
THE SAME TIME. AND THEY WERE
BOTH EQUALLY TRUE. JONI: AND, OF COURSE,
YOU HAVE TO TELL WHAT HAPPENED THE NIGHT
BEFORE MITCHELL PASSED. BECAUSE THIS WAS WHAT
I CALL A GOD WINK. DR. LEE: ABSOLUTELY. SO WE WERE IN THE MIDST
OF A 21 DAYS OF PRAYER THAT WE DID TWICE A
YEAR WITH OUR CHURCH FAMILY IN ALABAMA, THE CHURCH OF THE
HIGHLANDS. AND THE DAY BEFORE
MITCH DIED, WE HAD, I RECEIVED A
PHONE CALL FROM HIM. AND HE SAID -- JONI: AND YOU
WERE ACTUALLY IN THE HOSPITAL
DOING SURGERY. DR. LEE: I WAS IN
THE HOSPITAL IN BETWEEN SURGERIES. AND MY PHONE RANG. AND MOST OF THE TIME, I WOULD HAVE LET THAT
GO TO VOICEMAIL, BECAUSE I WAS BUSY. AND I SAW MITCH'S NAME, AND I ANSWERED THE CALL. AND HE SAID, HEY, DAD, I
WANT TO MOVE BACK HOME. AND I WANT TO GO
BACK TO SCHOOL. AND I WANT TO GET
BACK WITH Y'ALL, AND BACK IN CHURCH, AND LIFE WAS COMING
BACK TOGETHER. AND WE WERE SO OVERJOYED BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN
PRAYING FOR HIM SO MUCH. AND WE HAD BEEN KIND OF
ESTRANGED FOR A WHILE. HE'D BEEN, YOU KNOW,
A 19-YEAR-OLD KID. AND WE WERE SO HAPPY. AND THE MORNING
THAT HE DIED, THE LAST THING HE HEARD
ME SAY WAS I LOVE HIM, AND THE LAST THING
I HEARD HIM SAY WAS HE LOVED ME. AND THE NEXT MORNING, THE YOUTH MINISTER LED
THE PRAYER SERVICE, AND IT WAS ALL
ABOUT THE KIDS. AND WE WERE PRAYING
FOR OUR CHILDREN, WE FELT LIKE GOD WAS
DOING THIS BIG THING AND THEN THAT
NIGHT HE DIED. JONI: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE
MITCH WAS TELLING YOU, I'M COMING HOME. AND YOU THOUGHT HE
WAS COMING HOME TO THE PHYSICAL HOME. DR. LEE: I DID. JONI: BUT HE ACTUALLY WENT
HOME TO HIS HEAVENLY HOME. BECAUSE THERE WAS A
WORK THAT WAS GOING ON IN HIS HEART THAT GOD WAS DOING. AND THAT COULD BE
AN ENCOURAGEMENT FOR PEOPLE
WATCHING RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BELIEVING
FOR THOSE CHILDREN. DON'T YOU LOVE THAT? CINDY JOHNSTON:
I DO LOVE THAT. BUT I LOVE THAT YOU, THOSE MOMENTS I'M
SURE IN PRAYER, THEN THIS DEVASTATING NEWS
COMES, WAS SO DIFFICULT. BUT YET YOU STOOD AND DECIDED TO JUST
LISTEN AND DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO WITH THE LORD. AND I KNOW THAT
TOOK TIME. DID YOU ASK QUESTIONS? LIKE I COULD ONLY
IMAGINE FOR MYSELF THAT I WOULD BE ANGRY. DR. LEE: ABSOLUTELY. CINDY JOHNSTON:
LIKE GOD WHY? DR. LEE: ABSOLUTELY. CINDY JOHNSTON: HOW DID
YOU GET THROUGH THAT? DR. LEE: YOU KNOW, A
CHAPLAIN FRIEND OF MINE, I CALL HIM PASTOR
JOHN IN THE BOOK, REALLY IS THE ONE THAT STARTED HELPING
ME THINK ABOUT THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. BECAUSE HE WARNED
ME OF THE DANGER OF LETTING THIS TRAUMA
BECAME AN IDOL, WHICH SOUNDED
STRANGE AT THE TIME. BUT HE MADE ME REALIZE IF THERE'S SOMETHING
IN YOUR LIFE THAT HAS MORE POWER
THAN GOD DOES, OR IS BIGGER THAN GOD IS SO THAT YOU CAN'T SEE GOD OR THE POTENTIAL OF GOD
HEALING YOU AGAIN, THAT'S AN IDOL FOR YOU. IF IT'S BIGGER
THAN GOD IS, THEN IT'S NOT AN IDOL. AND WE ALWAYS THINK
ABOUT IDOLS AS MONEY, AND POWER AND
ALL THOSE THINGS. IDOL CAN BE YOUR TRAUMA AND YOUR PAIN AS WELL. JONI: RIGHT. DR. LEE: AND SO JOHN SAID, WHEN YOU'RE READY, YOU NEED TO GO
TO LAMENTATIONS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE BOOK OF LAMENTATIONS. THAT SOUNDS CRAZY BECAUSE IT'S A
TERRIBLE BOOK. IT'S A TERRIBLE STORY. JONI: LOTS OF LAMENTING
IN LAMENTATIONS. DR. LEE: RIGHT. BUT THERE'S SO
MUCH HOPE THERE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS
THE FIRST TWO CHAPTERS OF LAMENTATIONS ARE
MISERABLE, RIGHT? EVERYBODY IS DYING AND THE COUNTRY
HAS BEEN PILLAGED. AND THE KING HAS
BEEN DRAGGED OFF AND EVERYTHING
IS HORRIBLE. AND RIGHT IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE PROBLEM, HE SAYS, I'VE
GIVEN UP HOPE. BUT IN THIS I'M
GONNA TAKE HOPE. THE STEADFAST LOVE OF
THE LORD NEVER CEASES. HE CHANGES HIS MIND, IN
REALTIME HE CHANGES HIS TIME. NOT AFTER HE WAITED FOR
THE PROBLEM TO GO AWAY, THERE'S TWO MORE CHAPTERS
OF LAMENTATIONS AFTER THAT WHERE THINGS ARE
STILL MISERABLE. NOW THAT'S THE
LESSON FOR US. IS WE SAY WE CHANGE
OUR MIND FIRST AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE
GONNA TRUST WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT. JONI: SO GOOD. DR. LEE: WE TAKE HOPE, AND THEN WE CAN
START HEALING. THAT'S WHY HOPE
IS THE FIRST WORD. JONI: YOU KNOW, APRIL, DR. WARREN TALKS ABOUT
A STUDY THAT WAS DONE
ON THE BRAIN. WHEN SOMEONE IS
THINKING OF TRAUMA, TERRIBLE THINGS
THAT HAVE HAPPENED, VERSUS GOOD THINGS,
THINKING ON GOOD THINGS AND THE WAY THE
BRAIN LIGHTS UP AND HOW -- I KNOW WORDS
ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU. APRIL: WORDS
ARE EVERYTHING. WORDS FRAME OUR WORLD. THE WORDS WE SPEAK BECOME THE HOUSE
THAT WE LIVE IN. AND, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE
ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING, TOO. AND JUST, YOU KNOW,
I'VE SEEN IT IN PEOPLE. I'VE SEEN IT
IN MY OWN LIFE. WE MIGHT BE GOING
THROUGH A BAD TIME, BUT IF WE CAN GET OUR
WORDS WORKING FOR US, INSTEAD OF AGAINST US,
THAT'S EVERYTHING. JONI: YOU'VE HAD TO
WALK THAT OUT YOURSELF. APRIL: YEAH. JONI: BECAUSE YOU COULD
HAVE STAYED BACK HERE. APRIL: YOU KNOW, YOU CAN
STAY IN THE TRAUMA, BUT YOU ARE NOT
YOUR TRAUMA. YOU ARE NOT YOUR
DIFFICULTY. TRAUMA IS NOT
YOUR DESTINATION. WE CAN GET BEYOND IT. I THINK ABOUT A LADY
THAT JUST E-MAILED ME. HER DAUGHTER PASSED AWAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW,
BUT I KNOW RIGHT NOW AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR SOME
PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING, SHE IS VERY MAD AT GOD. SHE'S NOT ABLE TO
GET BEYOND THAT. WHY WOULD A LOVING GOD
TAKE AWAY MY DAUGHTER? WHY WOULD A LOVING GOD CAUSE ME, IT WAS
HER ONLY DAUGHTER. AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S JUST
STUCK IN THAT PLACE. AND HOW COULD YOU
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE STUCK AND
BEING MAD AT GOD? DR. LEE: RIGHT, I THINK, FIRST
OF ALL, I THINK IT'S OKAY. THE BIBLE GIVES US
LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE SHAKING
THEIR FIST AT GOD. ONE OF THE PROPHET SAID, GOD, I QUESTION
YOUR JUSTICE. LIKE I'M QUESTIONING YOU. AND SO IT'S OKAY TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. IT'S OKAY TO HAVE
THOSE EMOTIONS. IT'S OKAY TO FEEL
THOSE FEELINGS. GOD CAN HANDLE THAT. BUT THE TRUTH IS WE START TO SEE THAT GOD IS NOT
CAUSING THESE THINGS. GOD'S NOT HAPPY
ABOUT THESE THINGS. GOD'S BROKENHEARTED. HE WEEPS WITH
US IN OUR PAIN. BUT THANK GOD HE
COMES ALONGSIDE US AND GIVES US SOME PLACE
TO HOLD OUR PAIN. AND SOME WAY TO TURN OUR
EYES FROM THE PROBLEM TO THE ONE THAT
GIVES US HOPE THAT THERE'S A
BETTER OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE FOR US, RIGHT? SO WE START
MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHY I SAY IN THE BOOK,
HOPE IS A VERB. IT'S AN ACTION WHERE WE
CHOOSE TO REMEMBER THAT HE'S DONE THESE GOOD
THINGS IN THE PAST, THIS IS NOT THE
FIRST HARD SITUATION WE'VE BEEN THROUGH. WE SEE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
HAVE GONE THROUGH HARD THINGS AND MADE IT. AND WE MOVE TOWARDS THAT
PROMISE OF SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT'S GONNA
LOOK DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES NOW. JONI: AND THAT SCRIPTURE,
YOU KNOW, IN THE BIBLE, THERE'S A SCRIPTURE
THAT SAYS CAST ALL OF YOUR
CARE UPON HIM BECAUSE HE CARES FOR YOU. AND, CINDY, THERE'S
SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSFERRING THAT CARE, THAT
WORRY, THAT FEAR. IT ABSOLUTELY
WILL DESTROY US. BUT THE BIBLE
SAYS TO CAST IT, AND SAY, GOD, I CAN'T
CARRY THIS ANYMORE. AND I'M GONNA GIVE
THIS TO YOU TODAY. HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT? CINDY: IT'S SO IMPORTANT. BECAUSE THAT WEIGHT, GOD
NEVER INTENDED FOR US TO CARRY THAT WEIGHT OURSELF. AND JESUS SAID I CAME THAT I WOULD
GIVE YOU LIFE. AND HE SAYS
CAST IT ON ME, LIKE YOU SAID. AND I KNOW IN
MY OWN LIFE, WHEN I'VE HAD TRAUMA, WHEN I'VE HAD HORRIBLE
THINGS HAPPEN, SOMEHOW BEING ABLE
TO CAST IT ON HIM, I FEEL LIGHTER
AND I FEEL HOPE, AND I FEEL LIKE
I CAN MAKE IT. JONI: DOROTHY? DOROTHY: YES, YOU KNOW,
WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, MY STEPFATHER
WAS MURDERED. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY
WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHO DID IT? WHO DID IT? AND I FOUND MYSELF THAT THE PAIN WAS
STILL THE SAME. HOW IMPORTANT
ARE THE DETAILS OR DID IT, WAS IT HARDER
FOR YOU THAT YOU DIDN'T FIND OUT THE DETAILS
OF WHAT HAPPENED? HOW DID YOU MANAGE THAT? DR. LEE: I'M SORRY
THAT HAPPENED TO YOU. JONI: BECAUSE YOU
COULD OBSESS ON THAT, COULDN'T YOU? DR. LEE: WE COULD HAVE. AND IT BECAME A REAL
BRANCH POINT FOR US. LISA AND I TALKED
ABOUT IT A LOT. WE WERE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE WOULD NEVER
HAVE ANSWERS. LIKE THEY CLEANED
THE CRIME SCENE, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY, UNLESS SOME UNKNOWN
THIRD PERSON OUT THERE CAME FORWARD AND CONFESSED
TO THIS THING. WE WERE NOT GOING TO
KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. AND SO WE HAD
THIS SITUATION WHERE GOD SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT THIS HAPPENED. JONI: AND TRUST ME. DR. LEE: AND TRUST ME THAT
I CAN MAKE SOMETHING COME OUT OF IT THAT WILL STILL BE GOOD
FOR YOU IN YOUR LIFE. AND SO I THINK
THE ANSWER IS, YOU CAN GET FOCUSED, IT GOES BACK TO THAT
IDOLATRY ISSUE. YOU CAN GET FOCUSED ON
WHY DID THIS HAPPEN, GOD? WHAT HAPPENED? I DEMAND YOU TO TELL
ME WHAT HAPPENED. AND AS JI PACKER SAID,
IF YOU ASK WHY, YOU USUALLY DON'T
GET AN ANSWER. BUT IF YOU ASK WHAT NOW? YOU'LL ALWAYS GET AN ANSWER. AND GOD WILL
ALWAYS BE FAITHFUL TO HEAL YOU IN THAT
WHAT NOW PLACE AND THAT'S
WHERE WE LANDED. IS WE GOT TO ANSWER
THE WHAT NOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T
KNOW THE WHY. JONI: WELL, WE'RE
OUT OF TIME. BUT, ANNA, GOD CAN TAKE THOSE PAINFUL MOMENTS AND USE THOSE TO
HELP OTHER PEOPLE. THAT'S WHEN HEALING
CAN REALLY HAPPEN. ANNA: THAT IS RIGHT. HE CAN TAKE THOSE,
THOSE TRAGEDIES AND TURN THEM
INTO TRIUMPH. AND YOU MOVE ON WITH HIM. AND I THINK HOPE IS A
LOT OF LIKE LOVE. IT'S REALLY A CHOICE. IT'S A DECISION. IT'S NOT JUST AN
OVERWHELMING FEELING, THAT CAN COME OR GO. BUT WHEN YOU
HAVE THAT HOPE, OR YOU HAVE LOVE, YOU CHOOSE IT, AND THEN YOU GO AFTER IT. AND GOD PUTS
EVERYTHING TOGETHER. JONI: WE ARE OUT OF
TIME. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE
FACING TODAY, GOD HAS NOT ABANDONED YOU. AND WHILE YOU MAY
NEVER KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE WHY QUESTION, THERE ARE A LOT OF US WE HAVE
QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED
IN OUR LIFE. BUT YOU CAN FIND HOPE AND YOU CAN FIND THE
STRENGTH TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IF YOU'RE
WATCHING TODAY, YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH
A DIFFICULT SEASON, OR THE EFFECTS
OF PAST TRAUMA, THAT'S WHY THAT TOLL-FREE
NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN. WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO CALL. WE HAVE AMAZING
PRAYER PARTNERS THAT ARE STANDING BY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE
US ANY INFORMATION. WE'RE NOT ASKING
YOU FOR ANYTHING. WE WANT TO BE A
BLESSING TO YOU AND PRAY WITH YOU. I WANT TO THANK DR. LEE FOR SHARING A
STORY WITH US. BE SURE TO PICK UP A COPY OF HIS BOOK. IT'S CALLEDHOPE
IS THE FIRST DOSE. THIS IS A BRAIN SURGEON. YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN TO
THE DOCTOR TODAY WHO LOVES JESUS. IT'S AVAILABLE NOW. AND FOR MORE, YOU
CAN VISIT HIM ONLINE AT WLEEWARRENMD.COM. AND IF TODAY'S TABLE TALK
HAS TOUCHED YOUR LIFE, PLEASE LET US KNOW BY LEAVING US A COMMENT ON FACEBOOK, X,
INSTAGRAM OR YOUTUBE. WE ALWAYS LOVE HEARING HOW GOD IS MOVING
IN YOUR LIFE. IF YOU PRAYED
THAT PRAYER, IF YOU INVITED JESUS
INTO YOUR HEART, YOU SAY, JESUS,
I NEED YOU. CALL THAT NUMBER
ON THE SCREEN. AND WE'D LOVE TO
SEND YOU A FREE BOOK ENTITLED NOW WHAT? GOD HAS PURPOSE
FOR YOU. YOU'VE BEEN STUCK, BUT YOU'RE
COMING OUT OF IT. YOU ARE COMING OUT
OF IT. AND WE'RE GONNA
STAND WITH YOU AND BELIEVE GOD
FOR THE BEST TO COME IN YOUR LIFE. THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR WATCHING TODAY. THANK YOU, LADIES. THANK YOU, DR.
LEE WARREN. WE'LL BE PRAYING
FOR YOU. DR. LEE: THANK
YOU SO MUCH. JONI: ALL RIGHT, WE'LL
SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BYE-BYE FOR TODAY. ♪♪♪
