Mysteries and Symbolism of Isis, Ancient Egyptian Goddess - Secret Teachings

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Chris shared and how you doing Chris doing great Jason looking forward to this one exactly this is going to be a fun one we're talking about a ISIS Virgin of the world it is chapter 8 chapter 8 Roman numeral eight in the big book of secret teachings Manley P halls classic work and we're going to get into the symbolism of Isis alchemical and hermetic symbolism of Isis a little bit about her story and more fun stuff we of course are here each Sunday talking about the ancient wisdom psychology occult subject matter ancient mysteries and technologies etc etc etc we encourage you to send your questions or your comments in and you can reach us at info at cosmic guy org check us out at cosmic guy org or at Chris's website Chris Sheridan comm I'm the author of if you can worry you can meditate Chris is the author of spirit in the sky and like I said we're here each week we appreciate your support also on anchor fm you can go to anchor FM / cosmic I and you can support you can support the podcast and the new video cast of this that we're doing no let me call it a vlog what are the kids calling it these days video podcast I don't know I guess what have you it is it actually nice to do this one with the video because much of this chapter is dedicated to an exposition of the psychic Isis which is a particulars of Isis which was found in si Easton Egypt and there's a beautiful nap image a nap was the artist who did all the wonderful illustrations and situations the color ones and was that we're gonna jump right into Isis Virgin of the world but so I want to read the quote at the beginning of this chapter because I think it really sets it up well it is especially fitting that a study of hermetic symbolism should begin with a discussion of the symbols and attributes of the sayyida crisis this is the ISIS of space famous for the inscription concerning her which appeared on the front of her temple in that city and reads as follows I Isis and all that has been the is or shall be no mortal man hath ever me unveiled have every man veiled so this is the Virgin Isis the ISIS of the world another symbolism of that would be by the great mother grandmother archetype mother nature the womb of creation as it were all right so when we understand that we can kind of see where we're headed speaking a little bit more about Isis the virgin of the world also say east as I said is a city in Egypt aware where this where the statue was found this actually comes this inscription in the statute were seen and commented on by Plutarch was a Greek writer late first century early second century Greek writer of course biographer and an essayist in ancient Greece so we know much of this information comes from from the Greeks this of course is a time when there's a lot of there's a lot of cultural sort of borrowing and a lot of intermingling obviously in Egypt and Greece the time of Alexandria and so forth so Greek culture is infused into Egypt and Egyptian culture is fused into the Greek culture alright so what is this available statue of Isis the veil as we said is a simple and say this but the veil is a symbol of the mysteries symbol of virginity that's where they get we're getting mainly all settled virgin of the world so essentially the symbolism that's at work is very similar to the idea of the Virgin Mary and they're they're definitely connected symbolically all right so and with remember that you know this Isis is very much linked to the Hermetic tradition and symbolism it's also that sealed nature of the mysteries veil that keeps the profane from the sacred that's a great point and it's that idea - not so much that it's a secret that's that's being purposefully kept from anyone but although that was the case in some cases with the information but it's it's a secret that can only be known internally and I'm only through a certain attitude and a certain type of um sure say esoteric work that occurs within one that allows that time fault would you agree that I like definitely yeah well the the true the true veil is is the one that we have we have our own blinders we have our own shield that keeps us from truth and that's generally our own ignorance or our own stubbornness or our reliance on ego and material matters that becomes our own barrier not that something's being kept from us we're kind of keeping ourselves from this not because we're not prepared so really I think the veil is is our own ignorance that is keeping us from seeing the truth definitely and that's I'm jumping out of myself a little bit but that is one of the that ignorance and that sort of egotism in and that kind of sort of symbolism goes along with Isis brother Seth and that is one of his his certain attributes and I think the story that we'll get into burial you'll see how that works into it so let me assure or another Manley Hall quotes he's speaking on Isis here and this kind of is a nice summary of this this whole this whole symbolic nature of Isis he says this Egyptian deity under many names appears as the principle of natural fecundity for kin GD being the generative quality of the earth among nearly all the religions of the ancient world she was known as the goddess with ten thousand appellations that's names and was metamorphosed metamorphose - my same aaron exciti more first by christianity into virgin into the virgin mary for isis although she gave birth to all living things chief among them the son still remained a virgin according to the legend it very accounts so what you're saying here is a symbol of of really the matrix upon which all life comes from its its nature more than nature though it's the principle of growth it's the principle of life that's being spoken up here so in in essence what I think we're looking at here like I said earlier is a symbol of the Great Mother symbol of the Great Mother was no you know disconnect between the idea of the Great Mother and the idea of our sort of modern name of Mother Nature which we call you know earth and nature and this place we inhabit but it's referring to really the idea that goes beyond that sort of invisible it does refer to the earth itself but it's these sort of invisible energy or they archetypal energy which allows materiality to exist right it's not just the life right and living things because she has dominion over minerals as well as plants and and an animal's process it's the the functioning aspect of life-giving where is the life object or you know living creature would be the manifestation of that but yeah very good point it's not just the earthly things it's that which gives birth to the earthly things and I think the matrix is really such a great you know this because it's you know mater you know material it comes from the mother etymology as well yeah exactly and I think we as modern people of obviously have lashed a lot of films think about the movie The Matrix and maybe that's the first thing that pops into our mind when we hear the word matrix but matrix really just means a sort of foundation upon which something comes this comes out of our pond which something can be built and essentially I mean that's the symbolism of the matrix itself some sort of in the movie or a reality is sort of superimposed on the real reality that existed there okay take a look here real quick and see where to go next with this challenge with this with this particular section it's very short it's a very short chapter but it's just packed with explanations of symbolism and alchemy and hermetic symbolism and so forth so I just wanted to make sure we're on track I can getting into all the areas I want I wanted to cover that we wanted to go over okay so what I will do actually is I'll I'll hand this over to you because I feel like I'm monopolizing this but on 122 we're a Pelias does is that description so Pelias I wrote a book here's that he was a Roman who wrote a book who I actually was a Roman who was initiated into the mysteries of Isis he wrote a mythological tale which was basically his story but in a sort of allegorical form of his journey to to finding this wisdom in the Temple of Isis which he eventually found it's called the Golden Ass and an excellent commentary analysis of that is a marie-louise von Franz s analysis she does a union interpretation of that and I highly recommend it but the golden assets called by Julius a pul II I us very briefly this is the story of Isis where she comes from where she was going and it was just just to give it context when we talk about so the story is Isis is the daughter of gab and Newt Jeff is the earth and that's a masculine symbol and Newt is the sky which is the feminine symbol and that's very interesting because Egypt is one of the very few cultures that has that most cultures have that reverse the sky God is normally male the earth is normally female why the Egyptians do that we do not know that it's very interesting so she is the daughter before there's four children of this Union Isis and Osiris who is her brother and later becomes her husband they become the king and queen of Egypt and set enough this are the other siblings and they're sort of the dark shadow figures and this in this quarter nity a quaternary system and so basically what happens is Cyrus is the king and he is going around he's a good king and he's he's going around and sharing wisdom and understanding in addition Isis excuse me in addition Osiris is recognized as the legitimate son of Roth who is actually the father son God Amun rah one of the old gods he's considered the the certain legitimate sign in some cases in later times he's actually considered the same as or even greater than himself so it just depends on what a period of of Egyptian is you're over Egyptian history lasts a long time these stories morph and change so we're giving one account in one particular period of time but this is kind of the one that that her medicine and modern people look back on and use the sort of an exemplary story so Isis and Osiris are Kingdom Queen when Osiris is away and doing business out in the kingdom and sharing wisdom and and saw the problems Isis's guarding the kingdom and making decisions and she's a jester lore as well it becomes jealousy between her sister NEFAs Nephthys memphis and Seth and of course Osiris and Isis and Seth ends up wanting to overthrow his his his brother Osiris so he devises this means whereby he's going trap him makes this chest or a Sepulcher or a coffin that's very beautiful and then he offers it to anyone whom it can could fit in so we can fit inside of it perfectly and he's built it exactly to the specifications of Osiris so he basically tricks Osiris into getting into it him and his minions seal it up covered with lead throw it into the Nile and it flows out into an area called Biblos which is which is where the the reeds were and there was a kingdom there this is actually where papyrus comes from so Isis goes out and she's mourning the loss of Osiris she hears that he has been trapped and he's gone she looks around all over for him finally finds him and he blows he has actually his his coffin has a tree has grown around it and the king of Babel is has cut it down and used it as a pillar in the palace Isis gets more or less a job as a is it nanny with the queen of Byblos and is looking after her child and she she as a she turns into a sparrow and flies around morning and morning this pillar at a certain point she's actually doing [ __ ] interesting she's taking the son of the Queen there and putting him into fire and trying to make him immortal the Queen comes in one day and sees Isis doing this and things she's trying to kill her child so Isis is basically kicked out but she makes a deal that she can take the the pillar which her husband Osiris is in and they offer a to her give it to her she takes it cuts it open Osiris is in there dead Isis actually has sex with his body and conceives Horus and then she she leaves the I think she leaves the body in the she leaves the body Seth gets a hold of the body cuts it into 14 pieces and scatters it all over Egypt at that point it goes on much longer and it's much more detailed but that's essentially the gist of the story there's a great amount of symbolism in all that both astrological and house for theological it has to do with the Sun and and so on but we will not get into that right at the moment but we'll kind of jump more into some of the symbolism of the actual image of Isis and what that means I wanted to let you take that so I just wanted to contextualize that that's the basic story and please take oh well sure that's a it's a good telling of the Isis Osiris myth that we're all familiar with in some level but that kind of gets a little more detailed and I like this kind of gathering all the pieces together this kind of reintegration of these broken pieces that are near and dear to our soul and we've talked about that about depth psychology and certainly a union standpoint that these pieces need to be brought back together so we can become whole because they're all aspects of ourselves and Osiris is also sometimes depicted as Co the lower half of his body mummified or it's wrapped that he kind of had literally has one foot in the grave which kind of puts him in the underworld in a lot of ways so here is this father God who is also distanced whether it's a sky god underworld God seemingly far away and it doesn't seem to get past this virgin layer because with Isis and the Virgin Mary you know there's this sense of purity that that purification has taken place and it can't be defiled because it's as you mentioned earlier although it may spend time in the material physical world that Isis and you know other deities are not corruptible they're not going to be taken in or defiled or however you want to say it with the mortal things then that we can so become so defiled so there's this purity and I'll chemically it's the primal material this you know first substance that really can't be corrupted in any way but as far as the symbolism goes now the veil is something that gets is one of the most common imagery associated with Isis and that it can't be revealed but an interesting take on the word to veil or to reveal actually means to Reve ale because we know as we go through life it's like an onion layer you peel one layer back and go wow I'm glad I learned this enough crack this egg and have uncovered this mystery and now I know that way there's something behind it and it's reminds me of a a great quote by Richard Feynman the physicist very very interesting should look him up or follow some quotes because of the way he talks about science and learning and wisdom and what can be known and how you can know things and some of the dangers of being oh I know this and I'm an authority on that but it one of the quotes and I'm kind of paraphrasing he says that with every great scientific discovery comes an even deeper mystery so to reveal almost means to Reeve ale so you really can't get can't get through it and what's behind it is truth and maybe we can never get to ultimate truth the unknowable all that is but we can get closer to it and what we can do is get further away from the untruths that we have that are bombarding us all the time in this material plane but and as far as the additional symbolism she has earrings one is the earth one is the moon and she you know sort of this celestial aspect there's a darkness to her talking about chem the darkness of Egypt when the flood plains are inundated by the the Nile we have this darkness but that's what we're life comes through and speaking of speaking of that really quickly just dinner up real quick Kem they're one of the animal obstacles sort of explanations of the lord alcaman I was related to that word Kem that was the ancient word Kem Kem a Kemah comment sometimes it's known as that's the word for ancient Egypt in the ancient Egyptian language which doesn't mean black or land of black earth or something along these lines it it's related to that imagery well yeah and the blackness is you know the shadow that's what is maybe unknowable or unseen or invisible this the darkness of the mystery or even you know occult are things that are you know it's it's occluded it's it's covered up and there's this you're discovering and that's what we get through I thought one of the interesting symbols that she holds in her hand is it's called a system it's like a noisemaker a little more elaborate than a baby rattle but it has like symbol or you know castanets sized a little chime so in the shaking of it you there's a rhythmic because it bangs against the the size of this like little baby tennis racket but there's also a tone more of a kind of like a musical tone and and what's behind that the meaning of the symbolism is that the movement of life has a procession of the planets and the equinoxes and everything is ongoing life goes on and the birth mother knows this you really can't stop so this constant noise making is to rouse us from you know falling asleep in the material world are becoming you know asleep in the sense that you're not aware you're not present you're not in tune with with what's going on and we can we can't become set in our ways or sedentary even just emotionally or psychologically so this and it also renowned yeah the drum that Shiva has and she was for arms is a I figure by the name escapes me right now but the the India and East Indian drum that has a clackers on both side and that's the heartbeat the pulse of the cosmos you know that it is a living breathing thing so there's kind of an interesting there there's a sound element because Isis he think you know that the veiling and that's that's certainly part of it but there's also this this sound that keeps us going in her other hand she holds essentially a scales and balance between the moon and the Sun between heaven and earth the visible and invisible truth and not truth weighing that out so the blind justice figured that the Greeks you know later I guess I probably derived it from its let me jump in real quick I could that system I wanted to go back to that a little bit I find that really interesting too is noting how pointed out that it's in the that the tone that it made was that was the the F it's far I found I found that interesting like that's the specific the specifics you know note that it played was that was was an F and that has to do with the harmony of the universe I guess or something in terms of the symbolism there did you did you see that where you pointed that out I did and that's that kind of leads to the next really you know aspect of of Isis because in the musical scale you know it's a dough Raimi ah it's the fourth tone in this scale and this number four comes up quite a bit with Isis because for being the material world there's even a kind of an empty picture frame that's depicted in one of her hands that need the four elements from which you know everything emanates so this this number four comes up a lot it's really encoded she's also one of one four four siblings as well which is an interesting an interesting symbolic touches in addition well there's like it's really rich in symbolism and we could dedicate you know hours to just just some of the very encoded symbols but there are symbols of life whether it's you know wheat there's some snakes there is the harvest like a some grapes and and so she's the you know earth goddess and we're talking about the nile bringing life to the giza plateau and that area all over Egypt that growth comes out this life and there's an interesting combination of humidity because this water element comes again you know water you can think of the moon or it's more of a feminine symbol a symbolic aspect but it also needs the fire from the Sun to purify it and to channel it into what it needs to be otherwise you just kind of have this dense moisture but very much a water watering aspect to this to the symbolism yeah though I found that really interesting and the next chapter is actually is actually all about the Sun so they they definitely work together the next chapter in sacred teachings all about the the Sun the Sun Mount Sun God architect getting back to that sort of water symbolism I wanted to add something to that [Music] quite interesting it is this oh so they had this idea that Isis is the watery element of life and then that combined with the Sun or combined with heat is what materiality sort of sort of comes comes out of and that's and I'll come idea that is actually one of the symbols of that is isn't Sarah David which is the the two triangles one facing upward one facing downward and those two interlocking symbols being fire and water and then the union of those the other thing that's interesting about that is so Isis later becomes sort of associated with the Virgin Mary which is talked about very early on Mary the word Mary is associated with the word Mar which is the Latin word for sea under while every symbol and even and that connects actually there's a connection in Africa in religion between the Virgin Mary and different different aspects of her and and Yoruba deities such as Yaya is associated with the Virgin Mary so there's you know many many cultures have this association with this great mother being associated or symbolizing water now why is that you know water there's there's two possibilities for that one is that water represents the unconscious and we're talking about consciousness coming up out of this sort of chaos or undifferentiated sort of you know cosmic soup or something and then the other one has a more sort of biological explanation of you know life developing for example out of water out of the ocean which is one of the evolutionary theories ice I could refer to one or the other or it could refer to both of them and even more and that's the beauty as simple as nuts you know really just to take a quick side note I talked about this a little bit earlier not with you but I was thinking about this yet I did the difference between a sign and a symbol and manly halls talked about that before a sign is something that refers to something specific it's a symbol like a stop sign it means stop in your car you know that it's not a symbol a symbol is something that this is open it has open interpretation it may have you know one or five or ten different sort of accepted meanings but it can't be pinned down it's bigger than a sign and it's and it's open to to interpretation and it refers to something that's mysterious that's the thing we have to remember about the difference we're gonna sign in a symbol and this is where people get caught up in thinking I'm gonna crack the code like The Da Vinci Code and I'm gonna figure out what this symbol means and while you can find out what symbols meant at different times and in different places you will never exhaust that symbols meaning and that's one of them the sort of underlying things in Jung's idea about an archetype is something invisible and very powerful and something that you cannot really pin down and that's why a lot of people have trouble with with union psychology because it it can be very ambiguous but that's the nature of the mysteries they are ambiguous gotta work that mattress is universal you know that it this time or this culture or this region it's either you're right at I mean it's very much an archetypal assume you know symbols are archetypal that they they can't be here you said they can't be pinned down but they they're eternal and they're internal and it's up to us to unpack the symbolism and really what it what it means and you know in talking about this this water thing again and what what Isis also represents is the balance so we have the scales but it's balancing between the water and the heat or the Sun or the light darkness and light and we even see this in this image from the secret teachings Isis yeah I need I'm sure there is that that image right there and or you can you know maybe cut it in later but go ahead so she's flanked by those those pillars yeah and that could be relating to the two pillars of masonry there's a dark and a light one Boaz and black walk in is that yucky Hakim okay yeah so and then she stands in the middle so with the scales with the pillars with the Sun and the moon she's more than just you know the earth like a static thing it's really this what comes out of this this harmony between these dynamic opposites so you can also think of yin and yang that in in that using that model she would be the harmony between the two down perhaps not just a [ __ ] and you know feminine she really encapsulate s-- both of them weighs them and balances them harmony and in the Sun I think and I think that's why it's a great point and placing her between those two pillars shows that equilibrating effect that she has she is neither one nor the other though she has a feminine symbolism namely she's really beyond beyond the masculine or beyond the feminine and those two forces interacting and and she becomes something quite different as the equilibrating force between the two of them and and when you look at that I mean you you see the you know the interplay of of those positive and negative energies that's what allows materiality to exist and of course then you know she is that she is that force she's the force behind this this material world and and looking at it that way then it becomes something really quite quite mysterious and I know that pillar symbol isn't very interesting very interesting thanks for bringing that up it's it also reminds reminds will enough of the the pillars on the tree of life the Kabbalistic tree of life she'd she what she would be the middle pillar there was there's a pillar on the right and a pillar on the left I mean and and then there's a middle pillar and and one is you know there's a severity and then there's a pillar of my pillar of mercy and in the middle is the sort of equilibrium the pillar mildness and it's that's sort of a cool reinforced equilibrating my sentiment correctly see this is what happens when you go to public school you know and though I do do have a graduate degree at the public school so at any rate she is the divorce between those two forces that allows the materiality to exist and I find that quite okay so let us go to the last portion of this that I wanted to talk about and this is kind of a free-form line because we actually didn't even talk about this so the great mother archetype the the sort of mother nature the fountain of life symbolism motherhood and nurturing life generativity and so on are all sort of wrapped up in this is a symbolism this Virgin Mary symbolism you know sort of pagan nature goddesses series and so forth are all wrapped up in the same kind of symbolism but here's another interesting so the flipside of this would be Isis's sister know--this or let's look at some like what be known as the the devouring mother the dark the dark mother symbolized in in mythology made by Kali there's other dark dark mother figures devouring mothers destroyers and this is an archetype that's interesting because it really like I said it's the it's the flip side of this its destructive but it's the you know it's the counterbalance to to life I mean death goes hand in hand with life obviously interestingly enough though in psychology this this devouring mother symbolism is associated things like oedipal complex other complexes and so on if you know anything about those whereby the male or female son or daughter of that's overbearing cannot pull away from that mothering sort of influence and that's where the sort of the the the I'm gonna say this the dark the dark side of it comes out when when and when consciousness isn't allowed to develop out of that the individual process cannot unfold with that that kind of smothering mothering energy mostly it manifests in men but the the dark mother can also manifests and females in different ways as well but let's talk a little bit about the death devouring mother archetype yes yes well even the creatures of nature it's a kind of a brutal planet that we live on I mean we kind of have to kill each other in order to survive or at least we have to kill plants and animals as far as humans animals are always either killing each other or trying to evade capture and consumption it is just the cycle of life it just happens to be how this earth plane and the world we live in is created or how it evolved and but it's it's an undeniable and you can't really separate it out you can't just put on you know half a blinder and look at the I was the creator and nurturer and getting birth to all living things and it's wonderful it really there is that that other side the two sides to it so it's the destruction is really transformation and I think that's what this is really getting at this dynamic so you have the system making this noise and it's it's constantly moving it moves forward new life Springs forth it grows and matures regenerates that it's you know this generative aspect and then there's this dying and then recycling or rebirth or reincarnation or even if it's just the next generation a tree that goes dormant in the fall and in the winter then springs forth again now there's new buds new life new leaves and and fruit that come forth so it's really transformation of all things and also like we were talking about you know moisture and heat you know Sun and Moon having an earth visible invisible this harmonizing factor it's also the life and death that you know in a way she holds both in both so in that darker in that darker aspect kind of getting back to that psychological part of it I think those maybe some of those death has effects from death and resurrection and the death and rebirth of sort of symbolism but then you have this sort of the devouring mother as well which is something that we see as I said psychologically speaking it might be connected to something like which figures like for example in Hansel and Gretel the witch that's inside of the gingerbread house or some of these kinds of figures the the wicked Queens in the fairy tales wicked stepmothers and fairy tales and things like that and those are some of the darker more sort of non constructive dark sides of the of the mother we'd say and psychologically then they kind of play themselves out in Our Lives holding us back because that nurturing is fantastic it's a beautiful thing but at some point the mother aspect the nurturing aspect has to kick the baby bird out of the nest or it will never learn to fly and so that's where that dark mother that devouring mother comes in and in our own lives you know we can see it was some of these this overprotecting overprotective parenting and so on that goes on today where kids are not allowed to go out and and make the mistakes that they need to make rough house play learn the limits of things and so on but they become smothered by this devouring mother energy that Wow it's its intentions are good it plays out in a super negative way that actually inhibits growth it inhibits the growth us the devouring of the children and that's that's an that's and that's another that's another dark and kind of interesting aspect it was something to look out that's the flipside of the positive sort of motif of death and rebirth or the the Congress of that and life-giving and generative qualities of the Great Mother this would be the psychological devouring month there in that set that's that that's one of the dark aspects psychologically as far as human beings go even like a mother complex where you become so attached to the mother whether it's you know the physical you know human mother or if it's the collective or anything that has that that mother or you know if you're so connected with your school or anything that kind of gives you a platform to to the point to a fault to where you're not growing as an individual you know it can be very safe I guess if you stay either at home or whether it's your job or even in academia people can can really disappear and never really become who they are because it's sort of lost in and this this you know complex of what you know maybe does provide nurture and sustain sustainability but if that is so dependent if we're so dependent upon that then they're just you're just always looking for you know feed me you know feed the baby bird back to the the pillars that you were talking about Isis sitting between those two pillars if you look at one of the pillars being sort of like nurturing on one side and then it's sort of so there I want to say severity but we're at the correction on the other side they deserve setting boundaries and limits and so on on the other and then she kind of sits between the two she's the equilibrium between those between those two but you're right I mean I said like that baby bird analogy it's like Fionna you're sitting there with your mouth up and feed me feed me feed me and there's no mother bird to do that then you know you're gonna starve so you kind of learn how to get out of that now and fend for yourself right right right and you know just again we're talking about symbolism even if we talk about something that's very gender oriented you know these these are aspects these are traits and archetypes and they can exist whether it's a you know a boy or a girl or anything like that and it really transcends that so we're not really getting into a binary gender thing well but I mean biologically speaking though and this is where we get into a lot of these gender issues is that there there is biology and there's hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary development into male and female and we can ask questions of that and we can ask questions of what does it mean to be a patriarchal society or a matriarchal society but some of these things are rooted in in biological and evolutionary structures within within the genetic coding in us as well oh I mean we can't forget that you don't I mean in the larger discussion and I'm not trying to yeah to dismantle the those those gender questions but it is important to also look at somehow how these archetypal images connect to those those biological and kind of the historical trajectory of society as well right so sure well it's how the things got named in the first place because you know how we at least as ancients and primitives you know that's how we learn was through looking at each other ourselves the world around us nature what nature was doing and we were very clear I mean just look at what talking about birds just look at birds I mean a female and a male bird it's pretty dramatic he can really see this so yes definitely differences in yes they are grounded in biological genders but as but as we're working with symbols they can also go beyond that as we exactly limited by that exactly great point and that's that I just wanted a little bit in there that you know like we said you cannot put clear boundaries around around symbolism and though the ancients you know use some of these physical representations to to certain ideas they did go well beyond that as well all right with that actually I think we should probably wrap it up because I noticed we were about 10 or 11 minutes into this and we've got it probably 40 million I do want to thank everybody for joining us today we are going to get more into this symbolism we covered today Isis and we looked at manly halls chapter is chapter eight of the secret teachings Isis the virgin in the world fantastic read please read it when you get a chance I do support us if you can anchor dot F M / causing the guy and you can we could really use your financial support but also follow us if you're on iTunes or whatever service you're using to listen to us on the podcast follow us there and like us and if you get a chance do check out to 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Published: Wed Jul 03 2019