MOST of the Police in the U.S. Are RACIST | Portland

okay most of the police in the u.s are racist five four three two one move okay good everybody did it okay cool so here's what we're gonna do this is the game you can move to any line you want anytime you're free to move uh or you're free to stay and i'm going to explore the reasons for why you believe this and how you've come to the conclusion okay so um tell us why you stood on the disagree line i think most is a majority and i think that that is grossly unfair if you're if you're using the term racist in a literal sense if they have hatred you know for for other people because of their skin color um i just i i disagree with that statement i it's hard to find it's hard for me to find a category of people other than objective racist you know the clan you know i guess that would be a category that where most of them are racist in america today okay so tell us why you stood on the agree um i think a lot of cops have good intentions when they join the service um i'm a first responder i'm an emp oh you are good thank you for doing that yeah of course um i see a lot of first responders they have good intentions it's just that the system is broken the system yeah what do you mean by the system uh just the criminal justice system in the united states in general um not having generalized standardized rules laws in the united states okay i'm coming back to you do you agree with what he said are you a first responder too uh no oh okay i'm a zero response you're i'm a zero responder too yeah nice um so i like that by the way i'm just zero so i'm gonna remember that uh so basically i i chose zakiri because of all the videos and users so i don't know a lot about this topic yeah but basically from what i saw yeah is it possible let me think i'm trying to think okay so so you saw a lot of videos of of what bullies killing black people minorities okay just as a point how many black unarmed black men do you think were uh killed by police in say 2020 2019 like if you were to guess maybe more than five five yeah more than five like more than five being like five thousand or five hundred thousand or ten right or five yeah so just two or five people were killed five unarmed black men were killed by police shouldn't that be a reason just to stand on the slightly agree line that's not very many maybe but like i said i don't know a lot about this but let's say it is five yeah would that be a reason to move yeah okay how many unarmed black men do you think were killed by police in 2020 2019 roughly i mean we're not experts i'm not expert um i don't know but um i would say the uh i would say killing is not really the problem here i think it's okay um okay other problems but i have an idea yeah watch this watch this let's say the number were five thousand okay would you be willing to move to the strongly agree maybe if the number were five okay let's say the number were ten thousand would you be willing to move to the strongly agree um the defense they were killed or killed unarmed black men killed by the police if the number were 10 okay if the number was five would you move to the slightly agree and if the number were 50 000 would you move to the strongly agreed i mean more killed mean more racist helps right so then you rationally you shouldn't move yeah so why would it not be the case that rationally you should move if you figure out the number is lower i don't know you're right what do you think what are your thoughts i'm coming back to you next i think it's uh it's numbers so five thousand black men were killed by police i'm just through i'm not saying that's true i'm just oh i know yeah i'm also saying that a five thousand black male men were unarmed and killed what is the number of the unarmed white men there so you have to know that right i think it's it's a statistics game so the statistics say that uh it's you have an 80 chance of being killed as a black male then a white male and that's racism but if statistics say that you know they're close then you mean kill you mean shot by police yeah okay that's what i mean and also i think uh they should be seen from case to case uh oh yeah because uh you can be a white aggressive man and i can be a black chill guy and then also you know it could it depends on the case but i don't think that we can have this as a general statement because i don't think that does justice for anyone so shouldn't you stand on the slightly agree then um if you're talking about portland as in portland cops yeah i think portland cops do you want to move uh no i'm good here okay so how many unarmed black men would it take for you to move to the slightly disagree or or is that even a bad question should i should i have should i have another question is that a bad question i don't think it's a terrible question it's a hypothetical um which is tricky but i understand sure there is an actual number i just want to go back one second too because he answered the question in terms of like the system and i was thinking about racism as the individual like individual police officers um and so that might have affected our responses a bit too oh um you know because it's interesting because you did you did you answered it in terms of the system right yeah yeah and you want to answer in terms of an individual the individual police officer yeah yeah being a racist um and so that that's like i mean i've known police officers i'm sure you've known police officers um it's a very common job um it's becoming less common here in portland and some other cities um for a variety of reasons but um yeah what was the question about well um so how can we figure out if this is true what evidence do we need to figure out if this is true and it could be that it's not fully true like strongly agree or strongly disagree but it could be it's true just in terms of like slightly like what would you need to move you to one line or the other and i'm going to ask them the same thing what piece of evidence or reason would you need to move you yeah um i would say a big discrepancy in in unarmed uh black people being killed by the police versus on our own white people yeah that's what he said too that's what you said too okay so what would that discrepancy look like to move you um very outsized especially we have you also have to take into consideration the crime rates um and where areas are being policed um and so all those play a part yeah it would take a lot of time to look at the data it would take nuance for sure not just you know just going for it and so i just want to make sure so it's not just enough that i give you a number and i'm not saying i have the number i think i have the number but it's not you need something something you would need something else if the numbers are low if the numbers are greatly outsized then i think you could probably make make an assumption um but if the numbers are low you're going to need more data to to back that up okay so is that fair is that yeah i think what we need is research and research and research and we need ratios not just numbers yeah that that's okay that we're all we all agree that there's ratios because you can't just have one number without having a control like a base rate it needs to be a controlled trial are you an engineer i'm not i want to be a doctor but so that's a smart thing to say okay so what do you okay so my first question to you is is that is the metric of police shootings of unarmed black men if we have the ratio to unarmed white men is that sufficient to move if if you had that number would that be sufficient to move you to the slightly agree or the strongly agree uh yes and no give me the no um just that number would not be well that number and the control rate the number of unarmed whites shot by police those two two numbers but at the end of the day chances of you you know facing racism as a black male in the united states is way more than white but from the police yeah probably okay all right but i wanna also say oh yeah um a lot of police officers are not bad people personally i think it's just uh the environment is a toxic environment have you seen that as an emt yes and no what's the yes um just small situations escalating to um more violent ones because people are a certain color well i cannot say that but i can say that a lot of situations could have been de-escalated in other ways for sure yeah for sure i think that um showing power makes people feel um angered in some way let me ask you a question so this keeps coming out i've been going all over the country and i've been doing this we use different questions we can use another question people always say the thing that you said that i genuinely do not understand what they mean what does someone mean when they say the system like i know what you say like that guy over there doesn't like someone of us can go what do what do you mean by the system well i think this answer changes from one person to another person but um you you agree okay i'm i'm coming to you next you agree i think that what i define the system you may not what what i might define as a system yeah what do you define like like can you give an example of a law on the book that is currently discriminatory against i don't know people of a certain skin color like to me that would be a system thing no but i can i can see how some mods can be used against some people of color like crack versus cocaine because that's what i like what um like the penalties for the penalties for crack are harsher for the penalties and for coke white people tend to do coke well i don't know what you're talking about but like that specific thing but what i mean is that um chances if you're getting a higher sentence as a black male are higher than chances of getting that and do you know that for sure how do you know that um i don't have any evidence that supports it but i'm sure there is evidence out there if you were to be shown that that was not true would you be willing to cross a line yes if it's uh reliable credible information from a research institute okay so you for you to go here you would need two things one and i don't wanna put words in your mouth you'd need unknown black men killed by police versus unarmed white men killed by police and you would need um the data of the sentencing data for black versus white yes from credible sources okay now oh you do don't cheat don't cheat i'm not cheating okay now what would you take you to move there the same thing but ah it's a it's a matter of numbers so your numbers are they showing what uh what side are they supporting so you're a data guy you're an evidence guy yeah i would say that i am a data i do research okay you said something about the system you said yes when he nodded his head you're [Laughter] all cheating yeah i told you a simple rule you know to be more complicated than one would think what's the question oh he said the system the definition of so i go around and ask people this question and they always tell me the system i have no idea what people are talking about when they tell me the system like what does that even mean like to me it means a law there's some kind of a law and then he said it depends what the it's an individual thing and he gave me his definition what do you mean when you say oh but you didn't say this isn't he did but when you hear like it's this the system's racist like what does that mean um i think i agree with you it's a little law yeah yeah and neither one you couldn't think of a single law but you said there could be sentencing data but you'd have to see the data but you think the data exists you don't know the data exists okay so did i characterize your position fairly i'm sure it exists the data i'm sure it's up there okay i'm coming back to you i i'd like unless that's your field i'd like to know how you know that okay so for you what would it take for you to move to the strongly disagree um i guess it all gets back to the conversation on the individual versus the systems um and people are looking people are treating racism now more as um that's this is going back to like critical theory and critical ideology um outcomes you know outcomes versus intent and um what exactly that that that how that pertains to to racism for me racism is you know it really needs to be identifiable because i really think it's a huge sin that you shouldn't thrust onto people a group or an individual lightly and so that's why i am much more hesitant to call one person let alone a group of people you know just filling an occupation racist um it would be very hard for me to move to to strongly disagree because although well i could probably move to strongly disagree i suppose if i if i saw maybe more evidence that's what he wants he wants evidence too so here's my question to my final question how confident are you that you're on the right line and a scale from one to ten with one being not confident at all five being medium confident seven being pretty confident ten being absolutely positive two really i wasn't explaining that and it so you're not very confident that you're on the right line but if you were to move to a line that you would make you feel more confident which line would it be natural really so do you want to move to slightly agree you can move okay how confident are you and i just want to give you a reminder given that you don't have the evidence i don't i'm not saying i have the evidence i have no idea how many unarmed white men will kill by police i can't give you that i can give you the first number but um but you're right you do need both numbers and that you don't have the sentencing data how confident are you absent the evidence that you're on the correct line despite not having the evidence that supports it i would say i'm pretty confident i would say i'm a 10 because i think i think that chances are most likely the evidence is going to support that but if you don't have the evidence how could you be a 10 and not a nine um is it easier to get to london by a car or by an airplane uh buy an airplane i don't think you can get there from a car you have evidence oh yeah i can look at a map that's the same thing i can look at the evidence it's the same concept okay so let me ask you a question so i know how to get the evidence is to look in a map name one of the journals that you could look at to see the data the name of the journal i cannot name one but if i do some research i can find a credible journal okay so i how could it be analogous if looking at a map we know that you look at a map to get the answer and if somebody can't name the name of a journal that would have that that means they don't even have a familiarity with the field so i guess i'm like i'm curious as to why you said ten and not nine like if you said nine i would have moved on to him already so i'm i'm stuck at the tab i would say it's it's um a lot of logic and a lot of seeing the uh events that happened in the last two years and uh especially living in portland uh i'm not from portland but i would say that a lot of it is okay is that if i would have guessed if i had money on it i would say that probably evidence is gonna support it okay so i just want to be clear with something i'm still kind of thinking about the 10 thing now i'm i'm off the line moving you i'm thinking only about the 10. yeah so if you're an evidence guy yeah and you gave me a really good example of the kind of evidence you need but yet you don't have that evidence how could you justify your confidence in the tent if you don't have the like if you had the evidence you've done the research and you're like you know look i know this domain of thought i've researched this i'm like okay cool this guy's calibrated but you don't you value evidence in reason and logic but you don't have it and that seems to me that the confidence in the ten is artificially inflated it should be anything except the 10 like even if you said 9.5 yeah well i would say that you know maybe saying 10 is not the right move but i would say it's definitely a high nine um the only thing that is the only thing i don't have is solid evidence which is i'm sure it's really easy to find some sort of evidence credible sources from credible sources i've never done this before all the time i've done this but i am so hesitant when this is over yeah after we put down the cameras to drop my phone and actually look at the evidence with you sounds good how confident on a one to ten of you that you on the correct line um fairly confident but i'm i'm never a 10 in anything unless we're talking about two plus two equals four the sun rises actually that's uh recently that's become somewhat of a controversy two plus two equaling four yes wow well yeah if you really wanna deconstruct it that much um no but i would i would probably be um above a five but okay around a seven i mean it's it's it's a tricky question because i i uh let's say if i i've never rode along with um a police officer let's say i ride along with three police officers i picked three random ones in portland um sure in portland we we ride along all night and they're like making racial comments like um maybe they're not doing something racist they're treating everybody the same but they have some sort of bias maybe they're making racial comments then then you'd be your personal experience would lead you to go to slightly disagree or neutral sure absolutely yeah personal experience matters perspective it does matter i think data takes over as the most important thing when you're when you're making decisions especially on an issue um as charged as that one so you're willing to move to the slightly disagreement sure i'd be willing to move and i'd be willing to move in any direction if i'm presented with more evidence because like him yeah but i i'm not a 10 though i'm i'm i would say i'm more malleable because i i make a conscious decision not to be a 10 unless i i truly know which is i think very few things in life okay i don't mean to pick on you know to i'm just caught up in the ten thing are you gonna give me a doughnut after i'm not gonna give you i'm not a cop but i i'm just caught up in the ten thing so if you're ten that means or you it it seems to me if you're ten that means you'd be unwilling to move but yet you tell me you're willing to move like i just don't get the 10. or am i just am i just picking on you too much no um i'm willing to move that the data says that you know that's not true but i again if i had money i would say that the data would strongly support it okay here's the question but if you're correct me if i'm wrong you said if you had money you'd be willing to bet if you're truly a 10 not only would you be willing to bet you'd be willing to bet with extreme odds yeah okay are you willing to bet with extreme odds yeah you wanna see how much money i have on me you want to have an actual bet no i don't want to have an action okay so then you're not a 10. no but i'm i'm really confident i just i don't want to pay okay so what are you what number are you still at 10. does that make sense to you yeah it makes sense okay all right well good we're finished thanks everybody that's good you're done yep that's it that's it that's it what do you think it was what do you think it was not what i expected but i thought we have a class i'm i skipped class for this but oh yeah this is our project we just went and printed our oh what is your project it's it's scenes this is my scene oh let me see let's see can we oh wow awesome can you want to see we can post it out too it's a small magazine yeah yeah and uh it's about portland homeless situation and you want to help the homeless people no i help them good for you as a first responder yes and no good for you um i volunteer in shelters what do you do there uh whatever they need me to do check in let's let's do this you know you're you know what this is called it's called a weenus we'll bump witnesses i mean that's a nice that's an interesting name it's true you can google it okay do you bring him with you to help at the homeless shelter uh no but i bring some of those guys who are those guys sitting down over there the guy with the backpack do you think he wants to play this game probably not is he too introverted no he probably has a class oh okay well thanks did you guys get something out of that was it fun of course yeah did it help you calibrate your belief it seems like you calibrated your belief better did it help you calibrate your belief uh no because i'm stubborn have you done anything like this in classes before yeah fine institution only in yours i'm afraid to say i used to teach at this fine institution i taught philosophy yeah um well good well thanks everybody i appreciate your time thank you very much probably youtube do you have a channel yeah uh bogosian peterborough b-o-g-h-o-s-s-i-a-n should be the first one that pops up bog oh go back no no go back go back go back oh yeah sounds good peter right yeah yeah you get a great you did a really good job you did a good job seriously do a good job i leave you with one thing think about 10. 10 is hardcore dude that's like faith yes ten ten is if you had said nine that would have ended like ten minutes ago and we would have moved on well i would have tried to get you i wanted to get everybody to move but at some point or at least if not move to to make s to be very confident that the line that they're on is correct held that mike can i ask ahead here wanna you want to do that you want to do with me do you have a phd i have a doctorate uh from this fine institution of all places dr peter you call me you can call in and you gotta put it on me then you can call me peter okay mr peter yep let's play this game okay it's really simple [Laughter] go ahead you know this is cheating okay okay i'll give you five seconds okay that's the question okay let me think one you did what did you think i know where i'm gonna go one two three four five strongly disagree why do you think that peter uh here hold this up a little bit i don't know you're good am i not cheating right yeah please do not no cheating um i don't think that i've looked into this question some and i don't think that the the evidence supports it it depends on what you mean by it but i would certainly be willing to go to disagree and i have the statistics and data that show that there are some instances of racism but it's nowhere near as egregious as it's shown so i the the reason that i'm on most instead of disagree um i mean i strongly disagree because you said because the words that's correct yeah if we change that question to some to um let's say many decently decent amount of cops that's too vague if you want to say some if you change that to some i'll move to i'll i'll move to uh i'll move specific percentage yeah yeah if you would say if yeah 45 i would it depends what mean by racist i would probably stay here if you if you anything over 25 uh if if you said you know 10 of the cops in the united states are racist i'd move but but but but you haven't but you haven't said i've just made the number up so let's say 9.9 percent of the cops in the united states by races where would you go uh 9.9 of the police in the us are racist what do you mean by racist do you mean like hunt down like what do you mean by racist like no i don't mean hunt down black men i mean like uh have have some kind of animus or enmity like don't like black people or like some sort of an um bias against black men no i think it's much smaller than that but but but the data shows that black men incarcerated get roughed up more by the police than white men even by black police officers it's a very interesting unusual so it's so i hear the word system all the time but that would be an example of some kind of a cultural thing so if you tell me that the number is five i'll i'll move to where i'll move to disagree why not slightly um i would need more evidence for that see now you're learning he's already he's already figured out how to do this you guys need a host yeah because i would need i would need i would need more evidence and i would need to disambiguate or really understand what you meant by racist sounds good well i have a classic cat all right thank you thank you thank you how did that good you did well you're natural oh yeah i guess i am you can do that anytime you want you can do that with anything it works with literally literally you can put literally anything you want on there will work yeah do you like chipotle i love chipotle it's one of my favorite restaurants in the world me too yeah i guess i'm glad we're on the same page good let's rub our weenesses awesome thank you thank you appreciate it good so that that's what we do that's great it's kind of fun [Music] [Music] you

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Published: Tue Aug 30 2022