All right I am Flint Dibble and, welcome back
to archaeology with Flint Dibble. I have been asked by many people who, I can't see you in
the crowd, but I know you're there somewhere, to give a breakdown of my time on Joe Rogan
talking with Graham Hancock. I apologize for it taking so long! I was in New Orleans right
afterwards for almost a week, at the Society for American Archaeology (SAA) conference,
presenting some of my research. It went fantastic! The food was great, meeting colleagues
was great etc. And so, let's think about my time, my five minutes of fame I guess it is. On The Joe
Rogan Experience I sat down and talked with Graham Hancock as an archaeologist. I think the first
real archaeologist ever to go on Joe Rogan. And so I do want to thank him for the opportunity to
reach his audience. And the whole goal was to test this lost Ice Age Advanced civilization, whose
influence span the globe, who had agriculture, monumental architecture, arts, engineering and
spread it to others. So tune into that episode for all those details. I have been asked many
times how did it go and I have to say first of all I have gotten such great feedback from
people. I really appreciate my family, my friends, my colleagues. And then hundreds of other people,
maybe thousands who have gotten in touch to say good job. I really, really appreciate it! And I
really appreciate the kind words, and the ability, and opportunity to share what I do, and my
passion for archaeology with so many people out there. Really, seriously. So how did it go
is the question I always get. How did it go? Well let's see, roll the clip. - But can we say
there's no evidence for an advanced civilization in what they have studied? - In what they have
studied, yes, we can say there's no evidence for an advanced civilization. - We heard from Graham
Hancock that there is no evidence for his lost Ice Age civilization. This is one of the memes
that somebody sent me and ding ding ding yeah, I feel pretty good I'm not going to lie. I think
that from the kind of responses I've gotten, I feel really good that I was able to communicate
clearly real archaeology to so many people in an interesting way, and to show why we aren't looking
for this kind of Lost Civilization. Because we're not. I mean to be honest every single time we dig
a trench, every single time we open up a new site, we are looking for any civilization, for any group
of people, for any artifacts. So every single excavation and survey tests this hypothesis. It is
constantly being tested and constantly being shown to have no evidence as we heard from Mr. Hancock.
So okay, I clearly went there very well prepared and I have to thank everybody for uh chipping
in and giving me articles to read PowerPoint slides. In this case Matt Bullinger of Southern
Methodist University shared an ancient corn cob. So this is a maze cob from about 1250 AD. This
is part of the Southern Methodist University archaological research collection. - They were
so little back then. That's how little they were, if you want to hold it you can. Sure yeah, check
it over here. - Be careful with it! - How old is this? - That's from about 800 years ago. - Wow!
- Yeah, and so I want to thank. - Was this a full piece? - Yeah, that's a full cob! - Folks, this is
like a thumb, not even my thumb. It's like one of my smaller fingers. - And just to get a sense...
- Crazy! - Well clearly I went in as prepared as I could and there's a whole lot of stuff. I probably
only shared 20 to 30% of what I went in with what I was able to show was fortunately just how
much evidence we have. We have so much evidence, archaeological evidence all over the globe,
underwater, above water, under the Earth, above on the surface. Everywhere you look there's
archaeological evidence and archaeologists are busy collecting it. We are in the tens of
thousands around the world and so you know I was able to show really clearly how there's
just so much evidence that really disproves this Lost Civilization. Graham claims that it's a
civilization that traveled the Seas. Why don't we have any shipwrecks? I mean we have shipwrecks
from every other period of human prehistory and history and so it's amazing that there be none
people say could it Preserve of course it would Preserve in some locations we have fossils going
back millions of years we have wood going back hundreds of thousands of years I should have put
that slide here I'll show you it later um and I just couldn't share everything though and I want
to say look I showed up with a few dozen stone tools you know these things that some of which my
dad made like this really cool point right here and this Clovis point that James Green cultural
resource management a commercial archaeologist made for me and shipped to Austin I wish I had the
time to share this I I I promise you in the future I'll do a video on stone tools how we can tell
whether a stone tool is made by humans or not I think it's really important and please if you ever
have a stone tool don't cut yourself they're very sharp seriously they are um people do eye surgery
with obsidian and of course you all heard my dad was an archaeologist he named me after this kind
of stone Flint my my brother's name is Chip my name is Flint we're named after these artifacts
he was a crazy dude there's been a lot of comments about him on the internet I have to say I miss him
so much he died in 2018 of cancer suddenly he was a great dad a great archaeologist a great scholar
I try to model everything I do off of him and you know he was an innovator in terms of developing
new technology for example the total station right there wrong way I can't point in the right way uh
I still can't uh he was one of the first people to use that he designed software barcoding and IED to
go after that and do my own thing as well I I've designed touchscreen databases speech recognition
large scale GIS geographical information systems for projects we'll talk about this in some
future videos of how archaeology uses 21st century technology um and at the same time you
know I talked about one of the surveys he did in Egypt and the Sahara Graham saying archaeologists
have not surveyed the Sahara man plentiful surveys of the Sahara have happened and plentiful Stone
Age artifacts have been found from this period why is it we can find you know just the traces of
hunter gatherer encampments and working areas but we can't find a super Advanced Lost Civilization
with monuments and art and agriculture come on man seriously and at the same time we delved a
little bit into could you play this we delved into some underwater archaeology and so I want
to warn everybody that an interview with Jessica Cale we saw a little portion of it on Joe Rogan is
coming up underwater archaeology of the Stone Age hopefully get it out in the next week or two and
show you how we do that how archaeologists like Jessica do that I should say I'm not an underwater
archaeologist and at the same time I showed some Coastal archaeology we actually have a good amount
of coastal evidence from the Ice Age from right near these coasts there is no Boardwalk Empire
clustered up in that mile or two what we have is hunter gatherers engaging with the coast all over
the world every continent in the world except for Antarctica we're not going there okay I left out
so much for example let's talk about Atlantis this is actually some of my own research part of the
reason I was excited to do this is my dad was an Ice Age archaeologist I'm a Greek archaeologist
I read ancient Greek I've done a lot of research on Atlantis because as an archaeologist online
people have asked me about it and I just want to pause for a minute this image is made by my
partner Jonida Martini she is amazing she put this together through Photoshop this is not AI let
me move over a little bit there you go then we're going to see a lot more on about Atlantis on this
channel because I'm writing a book on it right now but so when we think about Atlantis I'll get into
the details in a video next month probably I have a really good video coming out on this on how
it's a philosophical allegory it's not history it's not mythology we can think about Plato and
Socrates and we can also sit here and ground truth it so for example you know in Plato's
dialogue the Timaeus and Critias he describes not just Atlantis he describes Athens and I dig
and work and study material from ancient Athens I am super familiar with the archaeology of age
and Athens and guess what you know I always say work from the known to the unknown we need to look
at Plato's descriptions of Athens because we can fact check him. Like for example he claims that
the Acropolis and Lycabettus were connected at one point we know geologically this cannot be true
he grew up he lived in Athens he taught in Athens he knows the history and archaeology of Athens
why is he getting things wrong about Athens if we can't trust his details about Athens we can't
trust them about Atlantis and then I want to just this is something I left out I'd like to get into
Graham Hancock and magicians of the Gods he claims that there's these hieroglyphic texts from Edfu
this Temple at Edfu that is an Egyptian telling of the Atlantis story okay and we brought it up
roll the clip he brought it up at some point and I said let's talk about it and then he didn't
Temple Horus at Edfu where the Atlantis story is told uh in an ancient Egyptian context is a
good example of that he said let's talk about it but then we never did and there's a good reason
that he did not because this is one of his weakest arguments this actually shows one of the biggest
problems with Graham Hancock and his scholarship if you will how he does research first of all the
Edfu texts were recorded after Plato During the Ptolemaic period a 100 200 years after Plato wrote
down Atlantis big problem if you're trying to say this is the ancient Egyptian legend that tells
about Atlantis right second of all he claims in the book that he's quoting the Edfu text and he
tells these stories we'll look at those quotes in a second but he's not quoting the Edfu text
directly he's quoting a summary of them in a book on Egyptian religion written by Eve Raymond in
1969 big problem now the second big problem some people claim that Graham Hancock cherry-picks
evidence let's look at how he does this and so what he does in chapter nine in magicians of
the Gods is he puts together these quotes and if you track down the footnote these quotes are real
problematic so he puts one sentence from page 113 dot dot dot then the next sentence from page 109
dot dot dot the next sentence from page 127 or in the next big block quote where he tells this story
of a flood he puts a sentence from page 173 next to a sentence from page 324 next to a sentence
from page 190 who does this this is not how you do research you can't Mash together random quotes
from completely different pages and claim that this is the story told on these Edfu texts watch
I could do this to his books right let's see what I can do with some selective dot dot dots taking
sentences out from different page numbers I could say this is all Graham Hancock's words he wrote
Flint had been involved in another project I was a young archaeologist he explains I was looking
for my own project soon afterwards the American archaeologist made a second unsettling Discovery
all was confusion all was Paradox all was mystery the extraordinary story of Atlantis the whole
tale of the Lost Ice Age civilization was not and never under any circumstances could have
been a high civilization at that time because of Hard Evidence which absolutely rules out the
existence of an Atlantis type civilization in the upper Paleolithic these are all Graham Hancock's
words if you take sentences with ellipses dot dot dots from different pages of different chapters
of different books you can create whatever story you want and that's the Fingerprints of the
gods that Graham Hancock often uses I really wanted to talk about this on Joe Rogan and it's
a shame I didn't have a chance to because this is what we call cherry-picking on a blog post that
Graham Hancock wrote he describes himself not as a scholar not as a researcher but as a lawyer
and he admits he's very selective in his evidence because he's trying to convince everybody of
what he says and so it's really important to see how he does this and how this this is not
scholarship and so I just I think I mentioned it before I do want to make sure that we talk
about Atlantis because I have a series of videos coming out on this and a book that I'm working
on so we will get into depth on Atlantis that's the Matrix because of Plato's Cave you know kudos
to Joni for also making that with Greek letters um my research has focused on a wide variety of
topics I've been in archaeologist and historian for several decades my undergrad honors thesis at
the University of Pennsylvania was on Ancient drug and archaeology history and myth so we can expect
some videos on that in the near future and in particular I wrote my honors thesis on Greco
Roman magic spells wormwood, opium, nightshade, henbane. All kinds of crazy stuff it's a lot of
fun to read we'll read some of that okay we'll do some magic spells um and I also excavate all over
the Mediterranean this is me removing the cover slab from a Monumental Roman tomb from Histria and
Romania it's one of my main projects we'll talk a little bit about that and study animals though
right and so I want to tell a story you know I gave this lecture this is one of my first big
public lectures in Athens Greece and I was talking about one of my studies on the island of creed
at Azoria and to get some images for this lecture titled goats and other animals at Azoria I went
to Twitter and I said hey who's got really good goat pictures that I can share with people and
so this is Zeus the goat um shared by my friend Hinrich and so my friend started replying to this
and I got so many Fantastic photos of goats from archaeologists right this is here one in Romania
um here we go one in Italy I like to think of this Goat as a wizard thank you Umberto um and then
pretty quickly this started spreading because there everybody has good goat pictures if you go
around all different kinds of countries goats are everywhere and they're very photogenic and so
Shepherd started sharing goat pictures with me um for example apple and True Grit from C from
California here in the US um or EES wisman so I had animal behavioral scientists send me some of
their fantastic photos and you know look goats are just so cute just look at these little guys I mean
who does not like a really good goat picture and so my point is I might be an archaeologist okay
but I really have one of the best collections of goat pictures in the world okay I don't really
have a point to make on that other than I like to study ancient goats and their bones and stuff
like that and you'll see some of these pictures probably in the future you know because they're
really cool pictures. This is that cyto orya andr it's one of the biggest projects I've been working
on for the last, I don't know what at this point, 12 years something like that. it's a major major
Greek city state uh if you check out some of my videos I give some lectures on it I'll try to
introduce you to this excavation because it's totally fascinating and I have great drone footage
and other other cool evidence from the team if you see what I mean the site was abandoned suddenly
and so the conservators at The Institute for a and prehistory were able to conserve hundreds if not
thousands of different pots and so we really have an unprecedented picture of people living on Crete
at this time around 500 BC it's just you know it's stunning and it's the kind of thing that's real
archaeology that I think we need to be sharing right this is what people need to hear about what
are we do in the 21st century and so you know what I do is I study animal bones I've studied probably
a million of them total different bone fragments 200,000 of them from Azoria probably almost
300,000 at this point and they're really small they're really tough to identify this Coler has a
thousand of them it's a lot of work but you know it's very rewarding because I get to tell these
stories about animals and people in the past and it's very valuable and that's how I was able to
start to talk about domestication and uh topics like that for example all these pollen cores
come from an article that I was an author on um where we presented paleo environmental evidence
from Greece specifically looking at uh different examples of climate change over time in the
peninsula of the pipines and so connecting that to major historical and archaeological changes
in material culture and what people were doing and guess what it turns out that climate change
does have an impact on society and on people and on the food that they raise and all kinds of
stuff it's a topic I'm going to interview Eric Klein uh in the future about his book after 1177
and so it's something I want to talk about because I published a lot on climate change at the end of
the Bronze Age he just finished a really popular book on it and so we'll have a really good
conversation I think um and so you know that is this kind of stuff that I teach all the time
is how do we understand domestication how do we understand the role of animals and plants and
the environment in human cultures in the past and so you know I really want to emphasize the
I was talking about the difference between wild and domesticated wheat and it's about that scar
that you can see kind of on the bottom here and the scar is different in Wild wheat and domestic
wheat because in Wild wheat the seeds fall off they break off immediately it's an Adaptive
function that helps them propagate themselves while in domestic wheat they hang on because they
go with the people harvesting them who then plant it and then that causes this kind of evolution
in these plants I do want to point out though that this is not new evidence this is nothing
that I've discovered this has been known since like the 1970s and 1980s Gordon Hilman and others
have published it it's a really well-documented phenomenon that has been backed up at this point
by hundreds of thousands of plant remains all over the world dozens of species you know it's the
kind of archaeology environmental archaeology 101 that you could learn in an undergrad classroom
and that's what I want to share with you guys that there's so much archaeology out there that unless
you really took a lot of archaeology courses at University it's just you're going to your mind
is going to be blown by all the stuff we can talk about in terms of human culture how they
how plants adapt to us that kind of stuff it's absolutely fascinating and you know what Graham
Hancock and others think that archaeologists try to censor him the problem is whenever we want
to talk about this interesting stuff with the media or a documentary we are the ones who get
split out of context and we're the ones that are censored we cannot get across what we do in
the 21st century and that was one of the reasons I agreed to do this on Joe Rogan was I knew that
it wouldn't be edited so I had the chance to at length share real archaeology with everybody it
was just truly a phenomenal experience to be able to do that and because the goal is I just want to
share the real [ __ ] the real [ __ ] of the past and yes this is the largest ancient piece of [ __
] a coprolite, a fossilized piece of dung it's I think it's 8 centimeters long and so it's the it's
from York from yic it's called the Lloyd's Bank coprolite I'll have an episode on Ancient [ __ ]
because what look I'm here to give you the real shit that's what I'm here to do okay and so I just
want to emphasize one last time just how important it is to understand history and archaeology
everything we do is based on what we're taught which is based on history and experience
every single decision we all make whether it's politicians business people or Educators or
yourself in your daily life I think it's important for people to have access to understanding how
archaeologists and historians do their actual research how do we critically evaluate the past
how do we have the real evidence that we create these narratives from and I think that that's the
kind of information that is really relevant and helpful to everybody out there so that's what I'm
here to do and so just to end I do want to be very clear we are not looking for an advanced lost Ice
age civilization we have so much evidence millions of sites billions of artifacts like I said in
the debate there's 13,000 Paleolithic sites in the Paleolithic radiocarbon database of Europe
alone 13,000 from the end of the ice AG we have so much evidence that nobody knows about and it's
very the preponderance of evidence is overwhelming some people have said the burden of proof was
on Graham Hancock no no I am not a skeptic I am an expert I will always share my proof and my
evidence with you I when I disprove something I'll be presenting evidence as to why that as an expert
I always accept the burden of proof I am here to share it and whether it's Ice Age evidence whether
it's food whether it's Atlantis and I just want to say look some people think that archaeology just
disappears due to time that's not how things work depending on the burial condition materials can
survive for hundreds of thousands Stones going to survive for millions and billions of years these
stone tools will be available I know people think that with time material disappears that's not
true we have many examples of Ice Age Stone Age wooden artifacts usually in water log conditions
like under the sea or in a lake a lagoon etc.. and so these date back hundreds of thousands
of years we have fossils going back Millions maybe billions even how is it that there's an
advanced civilization that's Global and huge and has Monumental stuff and there's nothing give
me a break sorry just give me a break there's a reason we're not looking for it but again if I
found it I'd publish it every single trench we dig every single survey we walk every single time
we look at aerial photography or lar or whatever we are searching and testing the past against
all these hypotheses but the preponderance of evidence suggests there is simply no Advanced Ice
Age civilization I'm sorry to break it to you some people asked for this uh clip this is blown
up good archaeology on YouTube there's other channels too check out real archaeologists those
who share real archaeology I cannot convince you enough the real thing is so much more interesting
than the fake thing similarly with podcast and as I mentioned there I forgot to bring up let's talk
about myths baby I'm going to appear on there in the next week I think about the end of the Bronze
Age and climate change in agriculture and animal husbandry I also wanted to give a shout out to
the delicious Legacy podcast which focuses on food and uh I've done a couple interviews there
you can check them out and then the rest of these are all fantastic please go check out the tales
from Atlantis we all heard from curly um during the debate itself and lastly a big thank you
to everybody who helped me this was a huge huge Monumental undertaking it was it was my strategy
my research but I had a lot of help pointing me to articles videos images etc. And in particular I
got to thank Jonida Martini, my wife, who has done so much work behind the scenes and then my friend
and colleague Dan Fallu, who really helped me research a lot into what Graham has said Matthew B
contributed the corn cob we saw, Jessica Cook Hale and Marijke Stoll we saw as well she had a great
video that we saw and everybody contributed in a big Way by pointing out different aspects that
I should be thinking about different research articles etc. So I cannot thank everybody enough
Archaeology is collaborative we collaborate with each other we collaborate with other scientists
and historians art historians pretty much every single field in the world we collaborate with
whether it's astronomy geology biology whether it's literature languages and the art whether it's
digital techniques or economics Archaeology is the ultimate set of collaboration every single aspect
of human knowledge is useful for understanding the human past and so lastly I just want to say real
Archaeology is hard dirty but fun work there is Yoni and me just absolutely disgustingly dirty
after a day of backfill and excavation at Pompei because you know this is what Archaeology really
is you know I don't know what else to say so uh thank you all uh for tuning in give me a like and
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real archaeology but the more support I get the more of this I can invest time energy maybe buy
some better equipment into making some kick-ass YouTube videos so uh thank you very much rock
on real archaeology and uh yeah peace out!
