Mollie was 14 years-old when she gave birth to her first son

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<font color="#E5E5E5">hi I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Jenny Brockie</font> tonight on<font color="#E5E5E5"> insight teen parents how old</font> were you<font color="#CCCCCC"> when you found out you were</font> pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was around</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about 13 and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 11</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">months one of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> comments I had was I</font> bet<font color="#E5E5E5"> you she would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be having another</font> child<font color="#E5E5E5"> if there was an</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> center</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> link on</font> offer<font color="#E5E5E5"> which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is just absolute</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> crap even</font> to my face<font color="#E5E5E5"> saying things to my face</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font> you're a slut you're<font color="#CCCCCC"> a disgusting whore</font> hope your baby dies<font color="#CCCCCC"> MA and then she's</font> like<font color="#E5E5E5"> don't tell me you're pregnant</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> even had<font color="#E5E5E5"> to see we thought that I hope</font> she fell down<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stairs and has a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">miscarriage</font> [Music] ever since I fell pregnant with<font color="#E5E5E5"> Theodore</font> I knew I was pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> everything from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that literally just changed I feel like</font> whenever I say my age it's like<font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font> like oh my gosh but<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's so different to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">me because I feel a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> older than my</font> actual<font color="#E5E5E5"> a I guess I'm so focused on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">trying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be mature</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and act</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> older that I</font> don't I<font color="#E5E5E5"> feel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like I'm not a teenager</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the way</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I get a few dirty book here and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">there but and a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> few people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mumbling</font> under<font color="#E5E5E5"> their breath but I've never had</font> like confrontation<font color="#CCCCCC"> where someone would</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">come up to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> me and say</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you're disgusting</font> it doesn't really faze me really<font color="#E5E5E5"> as I</font> say<font color="#CCCCCC"> judgemental</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> are unhappy</font> people<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I'm so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> focused on Theodore</font> that the hate<font color="#E5E5E5"> doesn't matter</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really oh I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">feel like everyone so looking at me as</font> if<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm not as equipped to do the job as</font> everyone else<font color="#CCCCCC"> now you've made the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">number-9</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we're doing what everyone else</font> is doing we're just a<font color="#E5E5E5"> family were just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a normal</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">family</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the exception that I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 16</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> Molly's 15 and we have a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">one-year-old and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> another one on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the way</font> [Music] [Laughter] welcome<font color="#E5E5E5"> everyone tonight</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Molly how old</font> were you when<font color="#CCCCCC"> you found out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you were</font> pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was around</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thirteen and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">eleven</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> months roughly were you at school</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't I had dropped out about six</font> months prior<font color="#E5E5E5"> why did you drop out of</font> school<font color="#E5E5E5"> I had a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> limp</font> I had a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> family issues so at home</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">me and my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mum</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> used to bite heads a lot</font> she is a single<font color="#CCCCCC"> mum</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so I'm I sort of</font> took<font color="#CCCCCC"> advantage of that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being a teenager</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I ran away to Oscars house in</font> Melbourne and how did you<font color="#E5E5E5"> two</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know one</font> another our mutual friend yeah meet your friends <font color="#CCCCCC">so you ran away</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when you were what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 13 or</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> would have been 12 I seen 12</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> ran<font color="#CCCCCC"> away from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> home</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at 12 and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you left</font> school yeah at that<font color="#E5E5E5"> time I would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font> just about gone into you right yeah<font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> long</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> out of primary school yeah how</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">did you find out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you were pregnant</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just had an instinct it's so weird</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">explain it's just like I knew I was</font> pregnant I had<font color="#CCCCCC"> all the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> symptoms</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> how did</font> you react when you<font color="#E5E5E5"> found out it was sort</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of a relief because I knew finally what</font> my body was<font color="#CCCCCC"> doing oh really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah</font> to be<font color="#CCCCCC"> pregnant at 13 that I really liked</font> a relief to find out<font color="#E5E5E5"> officially that I</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> pregnant because for a couple of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">weeks I knew that I was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pregnant that I</font> think we were too<font color="#CCCCCC"> afraid to get the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> test</font> done and how did you react Oscar<font color="#CCCCCC"> I guess</font> I was sort<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pulling my hair</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> out of it</font> I was I was<font color="#CCCCCC"> pretty pretty scared to be</font> honest it<font color="#E5E5E5"> was something that I guess</font> sounds<font color="#E5E5E5"> weird to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> say that something that</font> I felt<font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I wanted</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do what at that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">age you wanted to be a parent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> um no not</font> not particularly<font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that age but it was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">something that I I sort of felt like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">would probably come to me an earlier age</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just because just because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">mischief I was getting up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to really what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about you Molly I was it something you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">wanted</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> something that was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I idealistic I</font> guess I never wanted to be a teen parent <font color="#E5E5E5">and you know get put into that category</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but I knew</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that when I knew I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> pregnant that<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was like what I wanted</font> to do how long<font color="#CCCCCC"> had you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> both been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> having</font> sex<font color="#CCCCCC"> probably for about six months</font> yeah probably<font color="#CCCCCC"> bit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> over six</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> months yeah</font> did your<font color="#CCCCCC"> parents know that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you were</font> having sex<font color="#E5E5E5"> after a little while they did</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">know after a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> little while because you</font> were<font color="#E5E5E5"> living with your</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> parents yeah yeah</font> they weren't really happy<font color="#CCCCCC"> but the venue</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they sort of I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> guess had a feeling that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was going on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so how did your parents</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">react Molly you were raised by a single</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">mum you had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a show that my father isn't</font> in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> picture but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my mum was she's very</font> overprotective so she was screaming at me<font color="#CCCCCC"> and you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> telling me to get an</font> abortion<font color="#CCCCCC"> which was never much worse I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">never wanted</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that she wanted you</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> do that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah she felt like it was</font> best<font color="#E5E5E5"> for me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and I sort of understand</font> from her perspective<font color="#E5E5E5"> because you know</font> she's a single mom she's got four kids <font color="#CCCCCC">and so I can understand where she can't</font> came from but she<font color="#CCCCCC"> never really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">understood my point of view</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font> your family<font color="#CCCCCC"> after her dad died - my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dad</font> had a reaction<font color="#CCCCCC"> that was calm but at the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">same time he did sort of try</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and not</font> just<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the direction of terminating</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> pregnancy<font color="#E5E5E5"> just because at the time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font> felt<font color="#E5E5E5"> like that would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> probably</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be best</font> for us<font color="#CCCCCC"> and how did you both react to</font> that we had each other which was<font color="#E5E5E5"> ways</font> that I felt like we knew<font color="#E5E5E5"> what we wanted</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but we were too</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> afraid to say it I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mean</font> when you're that age<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">feel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like you have a choice in much</font> things<font color="#E5E5E5"> I mean you don't but we knew such</font> a<font color="#CCCCCC"> life-changing thing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that we thought</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was our decision and not everybody</font> else's<font color="#E5E5E5"> had you been using contraception</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I had been for about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a few</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> months before</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I got pregnant but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> stopped that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> decided to<font color="#E5E5E5"> change over to a different</font> birth control<font color="#CCCCCC"> and during that time</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">period I fell pregnant</font> did you<font color="#E5E5E5"> think you might get pregnant</font> during that time when we always thought you know it'll<font color="#CCCCCC"> never</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> happen to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> us and</font> it's such an unlikely chance of us getting pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> or me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> getting pregnant</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">why did you think that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm not sure I</font> just<font color="#E5E5E5"> my reason really I guess we were</font> just sorta wanted<font color="#CCCCCC"> to give up that</font> thought in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> back of our heads</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font> you know we thought it wasn't probably <font color="#E5E5E5">ideal to us for us what about you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> evany</font> you were 15<font color="#E5E5E5"> and in year 9 when you</font> became pregnant how did you find out<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> I was<font color="#CCCCCC"> loved having</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sex and I just missed</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">my period</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so I kind of knew I mean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font> was nowhere to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seen</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I went and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bought a pregnancy test and took it but</font> I actually didn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> realize that I was</font> pregnant because<font color="#CCCCCC"> it came back negative</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">or what I thought was negative</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and the</font> next morning I checked it and I hadn't waited long enough<font color="#CCCCCC"> road to develop so</font> you'd put<font color="#E5E5E5"> it away so yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd put it</font> away from<font color="#E5E5E5"> when I want to say yeah I was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rough I was close fun</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> gotten away with<font color="#CCCCCC"> it and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then the next</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">morning I'm putting my school uniform on</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> double checked</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> before trying</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> dispose of it without my parents</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">seeing and what was that moment like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> I literally fell to the ground<font color="#CCCCCC"> and then</font> my twin sister comes walking<font color="#E5E5E5"> into our</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">shared bedroom</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and he's like what is</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">going on with you and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was in disbelief</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so who did you tell</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I told my sister immediately</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font> were<font color="#CCCCCC"> very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> close and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> then I didn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really</font> tell anyone<font color="#E5E5E5"> apart</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> from my best friend</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> another girl who I thought was also</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">very supportive but it all did I know</font> that was<font color="#E5E5E5"> just gossip to her and she</font> spread it like wildfire<font color="#E5E5E5"> so went around</font> pretty<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah everyone knew I was in you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">9:00 at a Catholic school</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I was not</font> turning<font color="#CCCCCC"> up to my classes and at a</font> private school<font color="#E5E5E5"> where you're supposed to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be there and every child</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> gets</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> head</font> counted<font color="#E5E5E5"> the principal called me to the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">office and said what is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you doing this</font> is not like you and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I came out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> told my principal before your</font> parents<font color="#CCCCCC"> for for my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> parents and how did</font> the principal<font color="#E5E5E5"> react</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> well being in</font> Catholic school she straight<font color="#CCCCCC"> up said to</font> me you know it's okay but we don't support termination and<font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font> also<font color="#E5E5E5"> don't support sex out of marriage</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so wow</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you are pregnant</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in front of me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">how are you feeling at this point</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm</font> shocked completely shocked by thoughts in the world was ending around<font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what</font> did<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about contraception when</font> you started having some sex wasn't <font color="#E5E5E5">overly discussed in my house my mum</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">didn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really want to think that me and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">my twin sister were doing it so did you</font> know about<font color="#E5E5E5"> contraception yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I mean</font> I did<font color="#CCCCCC"> but we were taught abstinence</font> being at a Catholic school we were<font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font> told not to do it and there was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a little</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bit of discussion around other options</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">if if you really felt the need that you</font> had to have sex<font color="#E5E5E5"> but there</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wasn't a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lot</font> so I just<font color="#E5E5E5"> relied on my boyfriend</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">time because if I had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> told my mother I</font> would have<font color="#E5E5E5"> got punished you say you</font> relied on your boyfriend<font color="#CCCCCC"> was your</font> boyfriend using contraception<font color="#E5E5E5"> and he</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> told me he didn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> think he could</font> have children<font color="#CCCCCC"> so being</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 15 at the time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">took his word and we did use</font> contraception<font color="#E5E5E5"> but it was on and off and</font> there was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot of the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pullout method</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">type of thing think he can to pregnant</font> from<font color="#E5E5E5"> that so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> will you determine not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">terminally lazy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I actually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had a lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people wanting me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> closest people to me<font color="#E5E5E5"> wanting me to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">terminate the pregnancy so there was a</font> lot of pressure<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah absolutely</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there</font> was my mum everyone was telling<font color="#CCCCCC"> me you</font> will not even graduate you<font color="#CCCCCC"> ten you've</font> ruined your life because that's<font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> they<font color="#CCCCCC"> really believed I guess you found a</font> text<font color="#CCCCCC"> that your mum had sent a friend</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> hers about<font color="#E5E5E5"> your pregnancy what did it</font> say<font color="#E5E5E5"> she was hoping</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that God would change</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> situation and I suppose</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that means</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that I had a miscarriage</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sure that I</font> changed my mind<font color="#E5E5E5"> and that I would</font> terminate my pregnancy<font color="#CCCCCC"> she didn't say</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that in spite she said that out of shock</font> and<font color="#CCCCCC"> she said that out of disbelief what</font> was all that likes you<font color="#CCCCCC"> that time it was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">really hard being that young</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in feeling</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that much pressure I was like no way I'm</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">not going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to give everyone what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they</font> want for me where is my choice<font color="#CCCCCC"> for me</font> and<font color="#CCCCCC"> where</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is my choice for my baby</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Katie you were pregnant at 16 what were</font> your circumstances leading up that did you have<font color="#CCCCCC"> a boyfriend no I had</font> been in<font color="#E5E5E5"> previous relationships</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> teenage</font> relationships<font color="#CCCCCC"> but I wasn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at the time I</font> slept with a friend<font color="#E5E5E5"> just a one-off</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that never eventuated</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to anything else</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we actually stopped talking you'd</font> already<font color="#E5E5E5"> left school yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> how did you</font> react when you<font color="#E5E5E5"> found out it was weird I</font> didn't really freak out<font color="#E5E5E5"> but I wasn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like happy about it and more of a numb</font> feeling<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah what about your</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mom oh my</font> god <font color="#CCCCCC">she's red telar and and how did she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">react</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I didn't mean to tell her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we'd</font> been having<font color="#E5E5E5"> an</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> argument that day and it</font> just<font color="#CCCCCC"> sort of slipped out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just to spite</font> her<font color="#E5E5E5"> just to make her angry</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the hell</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">thing to slip out I know I know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but I</font> was<font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I just mad at her and I'm like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">f</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you I'm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pregnant</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and oh my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> god she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">flipped out she was not impressed at all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what did she say what was her immediate</font> reaction<font color="#CCCCCC"> you need to have an abortion</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah and how did</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you react</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to that I</font> told her to<font color="#CCCCCC"> f off</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in rage</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and told her I</font> wasn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do it did your mum</font> change<font color="#CCCCCC"> overtime</font> yeah<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah after a couple of weeks</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she</font> came around to it and I think that <font color="#CCCCCC">grandma excitement started sort of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">kicking in for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> especially</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> when she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">found out that I was having</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a girl</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> that would be the first<font color="#E5E5E5"> girl in our</font> family for<font color="#CCCCCC"> a little</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> while so yeah she</font> became excited<font color="#CCCCCC"> after a few weeks did you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">want to have kids</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no ever</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ever know so</font> you're pregnant at 16 and you never wanted kids<font color="#CCCCCC"> no the thought</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of it just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no</font> what was<font color="#CCCCCC"> it like once</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> other people found</font> out you were pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> horrible really</font> horrible<font color="#E5E5E5"> what happened</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> um god I was</font> tormented<font color="#E5E5E5"> by other people my age how</font> what sort of things<font color="#CCCCCC"> would they do Oh</font> back then<font color="#CCCCCC"> Facebook was starting to</font> become really<font color="#E5E5E5"> popular so I my age group</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people would be bullying me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> online on</font> Facebook<font color="#E5E5E5"> writing stuff about me even</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> my face<font color="#E5E5E5"> saying things to my face</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font> you're a slut<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're a disgusting whore</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hope your baby dies all that sort of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">stuff so how long did that go on for my</font> entire pregnancy and beyond<font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean it</font> still happens now I hear things<font color="#CCCCCC"> from</font> people like<font color="#E5E5E5"> of so-and-so said has that's</font> like<font color="#E5E5E5"> doing these days and how old are</font> you know how long<font color="#CCCCCC"> ago</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was that I'm 24</font> now and this was<font color="#E5E5E5"> this adventure</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of 16</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">why so eight</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> years later yeah from that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">uneducated people I feel like a judgment</font> will come<font color="#CCCCCC"> judgement comes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from do you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">get that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah all the time</font> Latoya you had your first child<font color="#E5E5E5"> at 17</font> what's<font color="#E5E5E5"> a reaction to your head I have</font> pretty good reactions<font color="#CCCCCC"> I thought I'd have</font> to say my<font color="#E5E5E5"> dad was probably the worst but</font> how did<font color="#CCCCCC"> he react</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">well I actually told him on Facebook</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> told<font color="#E5E5E5"> him on Facebook how did you do that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I just messaged</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him and said you're</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be a fault</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> that was it and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> then I got a message</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">back</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> saying ring me right effing now so</font> I did<font color="#CCCCCC"> why did you tell him that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> way why</font> didn't you tell him face to face<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> scared</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what we're scared</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> and probably being punished<font color="#CCCCCC"> how</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> probably would<font color="#E5E5E5"> have got flogged really</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">um yeah my dad is very protective of</font> like the girls in<font color="#E5E5E5"> our family</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I think I probably over thought it and</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> probably would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have been okay but to</font> a<font color="#CCCCCC"> 17 year</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> old what about mum mum was</font> pretty good<font color="#E5E5E5"> she wasn't angry or</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> anything</font> she's kept like<font color="#CCCCCC"> having her forehead so</font> was it a shock to you that you were pregnant <font color="#CCCCCC">I think so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah I will yes because I got</font> told that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I pretty much couldn't have</font> kids so<font color="#CCCCCC"> I don't remember how we come to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was pregnant but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when I did</font> do the<font color="#E5E5E5"> test</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I kind of like look setting</font> was like there's two lines<font color="#E5E5E5"> and he kind</font> of didn't believe me and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I had to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do</font> more<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was more excited than</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">nervous and excited really okay but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> weren't excited Latoya<font color="#E5E5E5"> no it's good</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> didn't want to have kids<font color="#CCCCCC"> until after my</font> 21st<font color="#E5E5E5"> how many kids in your family</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> oldest</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of ten and to what extent did</font> you look<font color="#E5E5E5"> after</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the other nine hurry</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> did a lot like<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the point where when</font> my youngest sister<font color="#CCCCCC"> was a baby I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> about 13 she would sleep with me and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I would get up and feed her</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> changing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nappies or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the mornings I would go</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and get her out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of mums</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> room and help</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Plus feed the tribe breakfast</font> so with that sitting in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> background</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">as your childhood</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what did you think</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> having a baby</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as a teenager I</font> always said<font color="#CCCCCC"> that it had turned me off</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">having</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> kids</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like helping so much of my</font> siblings<font color="#CCCCCC"> and whatnot but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> never<font color="#E5E5E5"> thought that I'd</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be a teen parents</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Nikki you just moved to Australia from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the Philippines when you found out you</font> were pregnant<font color="#E5E5E5"> when you were 17 how did</font> you react<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was so shocked very shocked</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">why were you shocked as I was so scared</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">at dinner how like how to tell my</font> parents yeah how did<font color="#E5E5E5"> you tell your parents I took the</font> test and then I just kept the<font color="#E5E5E5"> test with</font> me for a<font color="#E5E5E5"> few days</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so scared to</font> tell<font color="#CCCCCC"> my mom</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my dad was away at work</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> then my mom was sitting<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the lounge</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I was just like pacing back and</font> forth<font color="#CCCCCC"> like how do I tell her I'll do it</font> tell her and then I brought the test with me and then I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> like ma and then she's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like don't tell me you're pregnant</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nobody yes I am and then I showed her</font> the test<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah nice mom why did you think</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that was the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> question I love</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no I think</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you know you know your child child so</font> well you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> theirs they</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> say mom in so</font> many different<font color="#E5E5E5"> ways</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what they</font> did was away<font color="#CCCCCC"> she said oh yeah she</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just like all the strength came out of</font> everybody<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she just flops next to me</font> and said<font color="#CCCCCC"> ma and so my maternal instinct</font> I guess<font color="#E5E5E5"> I said don't tell me you're</font> pregnant<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then she confirmed that she</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and how did you react I was very</font> angry<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was very shocked</font> I actually resonated with ebony when she said something<font color="#CCCCCC"> about her mom praying</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> God<font color="#CCCCCC"> that she</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> might she would have a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">miscarriage</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was in denial</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I had to say</font> I was praying that<font color="#E5E5E5"> everything is not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">happening that it was the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> post-test and</font> that I even had this silly thought that I hope she fell down<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stairs and have</font> a<font color="#E5E5E5"> miscarriage I was so bad like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> because I was worried<font color="#E5E5E5"> we came from a</font> culture where<font color="#CCCCCC"> reputation is very big</font> like protect your family<font color="#E5E5E5"> name and you</font> just moved to Australia for<font color="#E5E5E5"> a new life</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yeah so that was two weeks I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when</font> we moved<font color="#CCCCCC"> to the Strand two weeks after</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> asked what did you want</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Nicky to do initially</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so I said you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know</font> what I think<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> all the stress of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">moving which is probably just a delay</font> administration so let's go to the<font color="#E5E5E5"> doctor</font> but I know in<font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mind I just didn't want</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to say the word abortion because I came</font> from<font color="#E5E5E5"> a conservative background you know</font> don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> have sex sex is a taboo word don't</font> have sex before marriage<font color="#E5E5E5"> well there's a</font> lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of that here should not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be people</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">from those</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of backgrounds yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">abortion coming up yes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hi</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Justin</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yep so and of course I went to a</font> Catholic<font color="#CCCCCC"> school</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I know that abortion</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we've always been told that abortion is</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> a good days bad it's murder it's a</font> sin but guess when you're in that situation<font color="#E5E5E5"> then</font> everything changes you know your<font color="#E5E5E5"> mind</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">goes black what do i do how do I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> protect</font> my child from people's<font color="#CCCCCC"> judgement</font> so I<font color="#CCCCCC"> ask</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> doctor is there something</font> that you can<font color="#E5E5E5"> give her for the period to</font> come<font color="#E5E5E5"> I still didn't want to say the word</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">abortion so in my mind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pregnancy was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like a disease</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that needed to be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> cured</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so she asked me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if she</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wanted</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to go</font> through<font color="#CCCCCC"> abortion and I think I was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">coming</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of course yes please give</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> her</font> something do something Curie<font color="#CCCCCC"> dishes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">these</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> everything she couldn't even keep</font> her room clean how how is she<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to</font> raise a child on her own in a<font color="#CCCCCC"> new</font> country<font color="#CCCCCC"> Nicki what did you want abortion</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">never really crossed my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mind at first</font> like I really<font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't want to do that but</font> at<font color="#E5E5E5"> that point I really like had no idea</font> what I wanted<font color="#CCCCCC"> to do or like what should</font> I do how did you decide<font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> abortion<font color="#CCCCCC"> I actually did consider it like</font> I was convinced<font color="#CCCCCC"> that if the baby</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't</font> have a heartbeat<font color="#CCCCCC"> during the ultrasound</font> then it's not<font color="#E5E5E5"> alive yet so maybe</font> abortion<font color="#CCCCCC"> would be fine</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what happens</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with the ultrasound</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> baby had a heart</font> risk<font color="#E5E5E5"> mom so the ultrasound was actually</font> to determine what<font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> method the</font> doctor would do<font color="#CCCCCC"> over</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> abortion from my</font> point of view I was so embarrassed to accompany<font color="#E5E5E5"> her</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so we went in there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> then the<font color="#CCCCCC"> trick when they did the</font> ultrasound<font color="#E5E5E5"> so on the monitor we saw the</font> baby and the technician<font color="#E5E5E5"> said to me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">grandma</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there's your grandchild and that</font> really hit<font color="#CCCCCC"> me</font> and there was<font color="#E5E5E5"> heartbeat and right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> down</font> it there I thought there's<font color="#CCCCCC"> no way I'm</font> going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be part of killing this human</font> being there's a human<font color="#E5E5E5"> being in there so</font> we walked out if you hadn't had the ultrasound do you think<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> might have made a different</font> decision um maybe not<font color="#E5E5E5"> because I I just</font> actually agreed to the<font color="#E5E5E5"> abortion just so</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my parents</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would not be</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">disappointed in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> did you want to be a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">mom not at a young age</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no and what</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font> the father was he in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> picture</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ah he's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in the Philippines so not really</font> and how did you react<font color="#CCCCCC"> he was actually</font> pretty excited<font color="#CCCCCC"> I guess about the baby</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but he hasn't been involved since</font> now we're not together anymore<font color="#E5E5E5"> do you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think you'll be involved over</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at the</font> father um we're not<font color="#CCCCCC"> really on good terms</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but if one day my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> daughter would like to</font> get to<font color="#E5E5E5"> know her father then I'd let her</font> get to<font color="#CCCCCC"> know him I still wanted to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a</font> teenager<font color="#E5E5E5"> and you know have fun and I</font> didn't want the pressures of<font color="#E5E5E5"> being a mum</font> at<font color="#E5E5E5"> such a young age</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what were you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">doing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at that time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> partying</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah I feel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like a lot of the time I have to pretend</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be a loving mum and it's not that I</font> don't love him<font color="#E5E5E5"> but at the same time I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">trying to think about my future</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Katie you had your daughter Bella when</font> you were 17<font color="#CCCCCC"> what was the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> first year like</font> for you after<font color="#CCCCCC"> you'd had a hard</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> how I</font> ended up having<font color="#E5E5E5"> a really bad person</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ttle</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> depression</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so we didn't really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bond</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like I thought</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we should have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I</font> guess with<font color="#CCCCCC"> all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the bullying that was</font> going on<font color="#CCCCCC"> I still wanted to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a teenager</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and you know have fun and I didn't want</font> the pressures<font color="#CCCCCC"> of being a mum at such a</font> young age<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I I didn't really spend a</font> lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of time with her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I my mum did my mum</font> helped me<font color="#CCCCCC"> raise her so what were you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">doing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at that time partying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> do that<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I also wanted to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just be a</font> mum and<font color="#CCCCCC"> I kind of got torn between both</font> worlds of being a teenager<font color="#E5E5E5"> and being a</font> mum it didn't really<font color="#E5E5E5"> last</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> long though one</font> day<font color="#CCCCCC"> I woke up and I was like what the</font> hell am i<font color="#E5E5E5"> doing and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I ended</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up getting a</font> lot of<font color="#E5E5E5"> help</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my family</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so during that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">time when you say you were partying I</font> mean how<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of control were you do you</font> think<font color="#E5E5E5"> very out of control in what sort</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of ways what were you doing drinking a</font> lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> drugs yeah not my proudest moment at</font> all definitely<font color="#E5E5E5"> massive massive regret and</font> your mum was looking<font color="#E5E5E5"> after the baby</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">during this time yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it was the best</font> thing<font color="#E5E5E5"> for her obviously</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she wasn't</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">around</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that sort of stuff</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she was being</font> cared for<font color="#CCCCCC"> why do you think he reacted</font> that way I think<font color="#CCCCCC"> I just bought it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> keep<font color="#E5E5E5"> that fun teenage part of me alive</font> because<font color="#E5E5E5"> I never really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> had that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was I was naughty and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mischievous but</font> not to that<font color="#E5E5E5"> extent</font> and it was so much<font color="#CCCCCC"> fun but it was just</font> he became addictive and<font color="#E5E5E5"> how long did it</font> last<font color="#CCCCCC"> a couple</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> months</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you said you had</font> postnatal depression<font color="#CCCCCC"> did you talk to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">anyone about that at the time no your</font> mom I know<font color="#CCCCCC"> I bottled it up why</font> I didn't want people<font color="#CCCCCC"> to think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that I</font> failed because<font color="#CCCCCC"> also set in my ways of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font> I'm going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be a mom I'm going to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> keep</font> the baby<font color="#CCCCCC"> it'll</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be fine</font> and then I was struggling<font color="#E5E5E5"> with the</font> shittest time of the best but she understands my life and how much do you think<font color="#E5E5E5"> you contributed to that and how</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">much do you think it was you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know the</font> circumstances<font color="#CCCCCC"> and external things you</font> know I have to take responsibility<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">my actions</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what the way I've reacted to</font> how I was being treated<font color="#E5E5E5"> was appalling</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">obviously</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I could have chosen not to</font> party and just dealt with<font color="#E5E5E5"> my emotions</font> and still be<font color="#E5E5E5"> here with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 17 hmm yeah but</font> yeah the bullying<font color="#E5E5E5"> and everything</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">definitely contributed to my postnatal</font> depression and my actions after<font color="#E5E5E5"> that but</font> ultimately<font color="#CCCCCC"> it was my choice and how are</font> you managing now perfectly fine yeah <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah life</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is a bit chaotic because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I've</font> got two<font color="#E5E5E5"> kids now I've got Bella and</font> Bentley so<font color="#CCCCCC"> I've definitely</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> come a long</font> way from where I was<font color="#CCCCCC"> I've just completed</font> my nursing my kids go to private school like I'm doing everything<font color="#E5E5E5"> I wanted for</font> them<font color="#E5E5E5"> and were happy Taylor you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were</font> pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> for the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> first time at 16 yeah</font> how did your parents<font color="#E5E5E5"> react my mum told</font> me to have an abortion<font color="#CCCCCC"> because I was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">really sick I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wasn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> eating drinking</font> nothing<font color="#CCCCCC"> so I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ended up going through with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">seen abortions yes I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't happy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I got to pressure and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> anxiety all out</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I didn't cope who made the decision</font> about<font color="#E5E5E5"> what to do do</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hear you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> make that</font> decision between me my<font color="#CCCCCC"> mum and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doctor</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">how did you react</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after you had the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">termination</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> header asked</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was very I</font> depression I end up going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">doctor's and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> saying look I'm not myself</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">can we try and see what's wrong</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I locked</font> myself away from<font color="#E5E5E5"> everyone had you had</font> those problems<font color="#CCCCCC"> before you'd be pregnant</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I had nothing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was fine I was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> everyday</font> like a new teenager and you all of a sudden<font color="#CCCCCC"> after 10 min</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">pregnancy I went yeah really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bad</font> depression<font color="#E5E5E5"> now you became pregnant again</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">after that to a different</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> man how did</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you react when you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> found out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you're</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">pregnant the second time</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was scared</font> but happy and yeah I<font color="#E5E5E5"> was a lot older</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> how</font> much older<font color="#E5E5E5"> so I had my son when I was 19</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">did you want</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to get pregnant that second</font> time no I didn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> want kids</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font> horrified <font color="#E5E5E5">but I was continued us so why did you</font> did you use contraception<font color="#CCCCCC"> yes I was on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the road and I was also</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on the pill</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> my second trial so how did<font color="#CCCCCC"> you react</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then after the baby</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">um I didn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get a bond with him my mom</font> and my dad did because we lived at home <font color="#E5E5E5">with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my parents</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> never had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a bond still</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> this day still trying to gain</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> bond<font color="#E5E5E5"> but mother my dad they begin and</font> he's still<font color="#E5E5E5"> a baby basically hmm and if</font> you had<font color="#E5E5E5"> another child if I had had</font> another child<font color="#CCCCCC"> and how did you react to</font> that pregnancy<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was excited and joyful</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to have a second child very close to my</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">son even though you hadn't bonded with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the son yep</font> other<font color="#E5E5E5"> dads in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the picture um my</font> daughter's father was in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the scenes</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">recently but I've</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just stopped all</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">contacted him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and my son's father has</font> had nothing<font color="#CCCCCC"> to do with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him</font> since I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> 10</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> weeks pregnant with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Sofia you gave birth a year ago when you</font> were 16 a year ago almost of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the day</font> yeah<font color="#E5E5E5"> see how how are you finding</font> Parenthood oh so she's birthday<font color="#E5E5E5"> first</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">birthday tomorrow and I still don't feel</font> that I have bonded<font color="#CCCCCC"> with him I still feel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">there is a connection that's not there</font> and I feel<font color="#E5E5E5"> like a lot of the time I have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to pretend to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a loving mum and it's</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> that I don't love him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I do love him</font> and<font color="#CCCCCC"> I care about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him and I'd do</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> anything</font> for him<font color="#CCCCCC"> but at the same time I'm trying</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> think about my future I'm trying to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about finishing college and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> university and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> getting a degree and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">getting a job for me keeping</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it with my</font> gut instinct<font color="#E5E5E5"> but the only thought that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">kept</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going through my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> head is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no</font> rid of<font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get rid of it get rid of it</font> get rid<font color="#CCCCCC"> of it and I had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to tell myself</font> no your gut instinct is<font color="#E5E5E5"> what you want to</font> do before<font color="#E5E5E5"> you overthink everything</font> but even throughout my whole pregnancy <font color="#E5E5E5">it was constantly the thought of no what</font> if something<font color="#E5E5E5"> went wrong</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what if this</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">thing died like my life could be back</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">normal it would just would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be fine so</font> you wanted it to<font color="#CCCCCC"> not go</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ahead</font> not necessarily I'd given<font color="#E5E5E5"> up so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> much to</font> just be pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> because I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I had</font> depression<font color="#E5E5E5"> really badly</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and it had just</font> gotten better and I knew that terminating would have put me straight <font color="#CCCCCC">back into</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it again</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> fight whilst keeping</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it my anxiety picked up really badly hmm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what sort of support do</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you have for the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">way you feel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being a parent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so in</font> the early days<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was seeing a perinatal</font> psychologist<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I managed to pull off</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the fact</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I had bonded to him</font> without<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually bonding to him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> why</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> why</font> did you<font color="#E5E5E5"> do</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that why did you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> try to pull</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that off</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because I had so many people</font> whilst I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> pregnant tell me that</font> you're<font color="#E5E5E5"> not going to be a good mum you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">don't have what it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> takes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yet you don't</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">have the life experience and if I let</font> them see<font color="#E5E5E5"> that I was failing and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">couldn't bond with my child</font> it would just put fuel to<font color="#E5E5E5"> their fire so</font> were you telling anyone<font color="#E5E5E5"> what was going</font> on<font color="#E5E5E5"> in your head or were you trying to</font> keep up that<font color="#E5E5E5"> front for everybody</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I think</font> it's only<font color="#E5E5E5"> been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> recently that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I've</font> actually properly told people<font color="#E5E5E5"> but people</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">don't believe it they're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going you know</font> you've gotten this far<font color="#CCCCCC"> you've</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bonded you</font> know you can<font color="#E5E5E5"> play together you love him</font> you know<font color="#CCCCCC"> we can see it but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you don't</font> feel<font color="#E5E5E5"> it like when I started going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> back</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> school and there going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like I want to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">go and see him but at the same time this</font> is so nice like I'm<font color="#CCCCCC"> just me I don't have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to worry about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that mum stuff not that</font> it was<font color="#E5E5E5"> the mum stuff that was being</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">oh it's too hard it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really draining</font> and everything it's too <font color="#E5E5E5">oh</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay no baby that's awesome</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I can</font> study I can do this I can<font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> continue</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">on where I left off</font> it's incredibly honest of<font color="#CCCCCC"> you to share</font> how<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're feeling about it I think is</font> it hard to do that<font color="#CCCCCC"> it was really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hard to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">begin with especially given the fact</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that I feel a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my struggle to feel</font> so my son is because of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> stigma that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I've gotten I feel it's really important</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people to know that the way they act</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">can seriously affect a relationship</font> between a mother or a father<font color="#E5E5E5"> and their</font> child <font color="#E5E5E5">evany you're agreeing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with this yeah</font> yeah I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think that the Sigma is obviously</font> a large part<font color="#E5E5E5"> I just think that it's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">already hard enough and there's just a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">misguided uneducated view I think of a</font> lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people hold of what teenage</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">parents alike and do you feel</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like</font> you've<font color="#CCCCCC"> had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to give things up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is there a</font> sense that<font color="#CCCCCC"> you've had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to very much so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> what sort of things when I fell pregnant I lost the<font color="#CCCCCC"> majority of my friends to be</font> fair the majority<font color="#CCCCCC"> of my friends are</font> lesbians they didn't understand it<font color="#E5E5E5"> I had</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> rethink everything it's like okay how</font> am<font color="#CCCCCC"> I going to complete year twelve how</font> am I going to<font color="#CCCCCC"> get the job that I want</font> how am I going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to reach my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> goals and I</font> had to change everything<font color="#CCCCCC"> how are you</font> dealing with<font color="#CCCCCC"> all of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it now I've got good</font> support<font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> family</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are lovely they love</font> my son<font color="#E5E5E5"> and how are you coping</font> financially<font color="#CCCCCC"> so I'm on Centrelink</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font> I'm a full-time student what are you studying<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm just doing year 11 at the</font> moment<font color="#E5E5E5"> but I have been caught</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up in that</font> stigma of<font color="#E5E5E5"> dole budget and it made me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">feel really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bad about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> myself so I'm</font> actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> dropping to my subjects to work</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">part-time so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don't feel like I'm</font> being<font color="#E5E5E5"> such a drain</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> personally</font> know is stupid that I'm not draining anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> I actually needed Molly and</font> Oscar<font color="#CCCCCC"> do you think you were ready to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">become parents</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at 14 and 15 I think my</font> maternal instinct sort of kicked in I didn't know what to do<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> always knew</font> you know we did a lot of research and read Oscar read tons of books on fashion environment<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> parent</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the actual</font> looking after a child point of view <font color="#E5E5E5">you're as ready as anyone else in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> sense<font color="#CCCCCC"> because no one really goes into</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font> knowing completely what they're doing and I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> you can ever</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be ready</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for a</font> baby<font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you can have done a lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> more</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and have a lot more license we have</font> dahlias we didn't have we hadn't completed our<font color="#CCCCCC"> education we didn't have</font> jobs and<font color="#E5E5E5"> then it's we weren't we weren't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ready from from from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that perspective</font> but that<font color="#E5E5E5"> definitely motivated us to get</font> jobs and<font color="#E5E5E5"> to studies already in to</font> actually get a life<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah any much ago so</font> how do<font color="#E5E5E5"> you manage</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> financially now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so I'm</font> an apprentice<font color="#CCCCCC"> Kavanaugh so I'm a first</font> year which means I'm getting you know peanuts<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's not much so we are</font> receiving<font color="#CCCCCC"> governor's benefits also but</font> we don't rely on<font color="#E5E5E5"> that we don't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> want to</font> get looked upon<font color="#CCCCCC"> like we just we're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> refer</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">with tax lodges</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I think people will look</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">down upon us for that but the reality is</font> benefits are there for people<font color="#E5E5E5"> that need</font> them<font color="#E5E5E5"> and there are systems in place to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">try and get those people out working and</font> that's that's our goal and they're<font color="#E5E5E5"> going</font> to pay tax<font color="#E5E5E5"> whether or not we're on</font> benefits or not so I<font color="#E5E5E5"> mean we pay tax</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">every time we go</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> supermarket and</font> buy something<font color="#CCCCCC"> Oscar when he works he</font> pays tax of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the way you're pulling faces</font> while she's saying<font color="#E5E5E5"> hmm I don't know if</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that's sort of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> jaunty that's an argument</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">oh look</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I get people people get annoyed</font> because I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> well my tax dollars are</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">going to you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know teen pregnancy and you</font> know for<font color="#E5E5E5"> instance</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my Molly being</font> pregnant again<font color="#E5E5E5"> one of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the comments I had</font> was I bet<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she wouldn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be having</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">another child if there wasn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> center</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">link on offer which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is just absolute</font> crap we're having<font color="#E5E5E5"> another child because</font> we feel like<font color="#CCCCCC"> we can deal with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it and and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we want to so when people say that</font> I mean would you<font color="#CCCCCC"> be having</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> another child</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">if that wasn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> available</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do you think um</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yes and we would have to make it work</font> because we never we never even thought about<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with we never can see that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay what do we do</font> we're going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> do whatever we have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do</font> to get fine<font color="#CCCCCC"> to to make you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to make</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">a life in this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> child where do you think</font> you'd be<font color="#CCCCCC"> now if she hadn't had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your</font> child<font color="#E5E5E5"> and there's one on the way</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd be</font> on a road to help<font color="#E5E5E5"> pretty much</font> I'd be homeless most likely on drugs <font color="#E5E5E5">looking for us we really saved</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ourselves</font> in a way I didn't finish school<font color="#E5E5E5"> when I</font> found<font color="#E5E5E5"> out I was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pregnant</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was doing my</font> year 12<font color="#CCCCCC"> but I was a bit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> distracted at</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> time for me it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very much</font> distressing<font color="#E5E5E5"> so I'm doing my math English</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> paid and I'm also doing such a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">business at the moment</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> CC cares</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is a</font> place for young mum and it's a place <font color="#E5E5E5">where we can just come here with our</font> kids<font color="#E5E5E5"> and we can finish our</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> studies I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">normally come five days away Sunday to</font> Friday I don't<font color="#CCCCCC"> Annabella both cried the time we</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">leave every</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> morning which I said early</font> mean you have to say goodbye<font color="#CCCCCC"> I say see</font> you soon<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then you go back and do</font> your<font color="#CCCCCC"> schoolwork it hits hard when she</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">doesn't want</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to let you go</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in a way it</font> used<font color="#E5E5E5"> to make me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so sad but now it really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">encourages me to keep going for her</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> learned a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of it about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> breeding I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">learned about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> glue drying and customer</font> service as well the staff<font color="#E5E5E5"> treat us as an individual</font> students<font color="#E5E5E5"> they don't trade</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Isis teenager</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">then more traders like an adult just</font> like one of<font color="#CCCCCC"> them a loving family before</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I want to provide them and show them</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that I did go back to school when I</font> dropped out skinny for my eat well<font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you ten what I found you need to realize</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">in this process of being a young mum you</font> can't meet other people's<font color="#CCCCCC"> expectations</font> but what you can do is disregard them and work on<font color="#E5E5E5"> yourself and realize you'll</font> start to exceed the expectations<font color="#E5E5E5"> Lua</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you're studying you're finishing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">twelve eggs easy cares which is a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> attach</font> to Canberra<font color="#E5E5E5"> College which is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a public</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">school in the ACC and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> specifically</font> set up<font color="#E5E5E5"> isn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it to help young mum</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes um</font> what<font color="#E5E5E5"> are you hoping now for your future</font> I really<font color="#CCCCCC"> want to do fashion</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and because</font> I do sketches<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I really want to start</font> a<font color="#CCCCCC"> legacy for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Paul</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Mooney because you</font> know who else is she<font color="#E5E5E5"> going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> look up to</font> I can't struggle like I used to when I<font color="#E5E5E5"> was a</font> teenager<font color="#CCCCCC"> can't he had a when you were 18</font> yeah where would you<font color="#E5E5E5"> be do you think if you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hadn't had that place to go with that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">support um to be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> honest as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Inka</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it would</font> be<font color="#E5E5E5"> very difficult to find in Canberra</font> places<font color="#E5E5E5"> to study and especially with</font> childcare rising because that enables <font color="#CCCCCC">you to finish</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> school</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> here and you've got</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">childcare on the premises yes we do and</font> so that's such a big thing<font color="#E5E5E5"> did anyone</font> else have anything like that we made<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> different<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah yes hell yes absolutely</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">how would any more</font> how<font color="#CCCCCC"> would it have made</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a difference do</font> you think well I<font color="#E5E5E5"> I went back to school</font> five<font color="#E5E5E5"> days a week</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> when my daughter was</font> six weeks old<font color="#CCCCCC"> she went</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into care</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I went</font> to daycare and I was expected<font color="#CCCCCC"> to like</font> resume my<font color="#CCCCCC"> life</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as normal really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> there was no plan it was<font color="#E5E5E5"> yep go back</font> into<font color="#E5E5E5"> full-time education that's what I</font> did until<font color="#CCCCCC"> I go</font> like so overwhelmed I could no longer be <font color="#E5E5E5">there I mean I was still breastfeeding</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">at that point yeah we definitely</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> think</font> we need a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> more rather</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> than getting</font> manipulated<font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of to go back to</font> mainstream school we need<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot more</font> services<font color="#CCCCCC"> in other schools</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for young mums</font> who can take their<font color="#CCCCCC"> kids to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> school</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because I've stopped now during my</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">second pregnancy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but I go</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to a school</font> where you<font color="#E5E5E5"> can take your kids</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to school</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there's a day count on the premises</font> and it's amazing it's flexible it's three<font color="#E5E5E5"> days a week and yeah see the worst</font> thing for<font color="#E5E5E5"> me is from what I know I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> only<font color="#E5E5E5"> young mother at my school I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surrounded</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by people who</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have no idea</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what I'm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going through and I don't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">relate to them at all</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm in a</font> completely<font color="#E5E5E5"> different version</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of life I</font> have to ditch one day of school<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> go to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">mother's group and actually feel normal</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just nothing for me there</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to support me as a mother I am just like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">everyone else when I'm not do you think</font> anything would<font color="#CCCCCC"> make you feel different</font> about<font color="#E5E5E5"> that if the school actually</font> supported me as a mum<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah if there were</font> more young<font color="#E5E5E5"> mums</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that felt comfortable</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">enough to go to school</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know a lot of</font> young mums aren't going to school<font color="#E5E5E5"> because they're</font> going but<font color="#E5E5E5"> that means I have to to put my</font> kids into<font color="#E5E5E5"> childcare which is away from</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> campus</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that's you know I can't still</font> breastfeed excetera education is so important to your futures<font color="#E5E5E5"> as mothers is that I in our kids</font> future<font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if you look at statistics</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and the reason</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that there ends up being</font> this constant flux of teenage pregnancy is a teenage<font color="#CCCCCC"> parent often</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doesn't finish</font> education<font color="#E5E5E5"> their child sees that as a</font> norm they don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> finish education they</font> don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> end up in high paying jobs they</font> end up having<font color="#CCCCCC"> this low socio-economic</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">family it just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> becomes a massive cycle</font> education is so important to getting<font color="#E5E5E5"> off</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> road especially</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because you're such</font> big role models to<font color="#E5E5E5"> kids your kids look</font> up to<font color="#CCCCCC"> you if you don't finish school you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't you know put money on the table</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">then they think that's okay so how do</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> think</font> how do you feel about<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in relation</font> to your kids then<font color="#CCCCCC"> I will having left</font> school when you<font color="#CCCCCC"> were yeah I want I want</font> them<font color="#CCCCCC"> to learn from me that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know you</font> have to finish school<font color="#CCCCCC"> to get somewhere</font> in life<font color="#E5E5E5"> and and I think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you got</font> plans to do<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah big aspirations</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it's just obviously a little</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bit hard at</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> moment with all what are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your</font> aspirations<font color="#CCCCCC"> molix I don't really have a</font> dream job<font color="#E5E5E5"> I don't necessarily know what</font> I want to do but<font color="#E5E5E5"> I know that I want to</font> be in you know working<font color="#CCCCCC"> with children</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">people or animals or you know helping</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> planet in some way something like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that along the lines that what motivates</font> you ever need now I'm dotting law you're juggling a lot mainly my children of<font color="#CCCCCC"> course</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but a lot</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> it comes from when I was pregnant</font> with Ruby<font color="#CCCCCC"> and just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the I guess the doubt</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> everyone seems you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had to me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> um in</font> yeah just<font color="#CCCCCC"> trip my determination is</font> driven off that use<font color="#E5E5E5"> it in a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> positive way</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and you got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> married this year yes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I did</font> in January<font color="#CCCCCC"> so what do you want for your</font> future now just to finish<font color="#CCCCCC"> my education</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">get a good job and build a house and be</font> a<font color="#E5E5E5"> family Sophia what are you doing I'm</font> doing<font color="#E5E5E5"> my year 11</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at the moment I want to</font> eventually<font color="#CCCCCC"> become a specialist nurse I'd</font> like to specialize in<font color="#E5E5E5"> midwifery</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and it's</font> not midwifery endocrinology Molly do you think<font color="#E5E5E5"> we'll go back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to school</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I've</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">always loved</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> study</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in you know</font> educate myself but I've been horrible<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> the school environment<font color="#CCCCCC"> so probably</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">continue home</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> school or distance</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ed</font> which is<font color="#CCCCCC"> study</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at home</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which will be</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">difficult with two kids but I'm sure</font> I'll get by and the second baby is due <font color="#CCCCCC">in December</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes did you want to get</font> pregnant arms<font color="#E5E5E5"> innocent or see it or I thought</font> there's no<font color="#CCCCCC"> way on earth I could deal</font> with<font color="#E5E5E5"> another child but</font> I've always<font color="#E5E5E5"> wanted not a big family but</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I love kids and I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> love being a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mum so</font> when I fell pregnant<font color="#CCCCCC"> I knew that's what</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to do but I knew that it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">probably wasn't what I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wanted to do</font> right<font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font> maybe waited another year or so having <font color="#E5E5E5">the first one hadn't made you more</font> careful<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> contraception it did</font> definitely<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was about to get the Merina</font> and then I scared myself out of<font color="#E5E5E5"> all this</font> birth control because I<font color="#E5E5E5"> sorted not that</font> I didn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> want</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I didn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want it to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ruin my body at such a young age I think</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">putting extra hormones and stuff at 15</font> with a child would just drive me insane but I was on<font color="#E5E5E5"> the pill for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a while and</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> just wasn't suitable for me it</font> wasn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> going well</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with my body so I</font> stopped that<font color="#CCCCCC"> and about two months later</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I felt</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pregnant with your son</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in all</font> honesty<font color="#E5E5E5"> real bit slack and Molly</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay</font> well we had it<font color="#E5E5E5"> a few issues with their</font> contraception and I guess<font color="#E5E5E5"> we'll condoms</font> we didn't really<font color="#E5E5E5"> talk about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">guess we're sort of on the same page</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">when I say</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we just sort of knew</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that if</font> if it did happen again that<font color="#CCCCCC"> we knew what</font> we're in for and<font color="#CCCCCC"> but deenis</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we'll keep it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and we'll make</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> work</font> where do you think<font color="#CCCCCC"> you'd be now if you</font> hadn't had<font color="#E5E5E5"> your child and had one on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> way<font color="#CCCCCC"> I don't think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we'd</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be together or</font> sorry <font color="#CCCCCC">yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> definitely it's made us stronger</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> definitely made me stronger</font> independently as well<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd be I couldn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">imagine where I'd be now I'd be on a row</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to help</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pretty</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> much</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd be homeless most</font> likely on drugs or something<font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font> horrible<font color="#CCCCCC"> obviously for everyone it's</font> different<font color="#CCCCCC"> but looking for us we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">saved as of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an away looking for sort of</font> both on a<font color="#E5E5E5"> pathway so we'll both on a</font> path<font color="#CCCCCC"> of self to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">duction when we met I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was having</font> dishes<font color="#E5E5E5"> with my schooling and having</font> issues with<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know with my parents and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">stuff and I met a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lot of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people when I</font> met Molly in that time and we<font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">came</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> together and we well we fell in</font> love<font color="#CCCCCC"> we did you know and it's it's</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> done</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wonders for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> us I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about some of the rest of you Taylor</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">where do you think you'd</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be slightly</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">down the wrong track</font> I wouldn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> guess wouldn't know where I'd</font> be and when you say the wrong track what do you mean<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'd melody</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> down in a gully</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">basically down the drug scene if I</font> didn't have my<font color="#E5E5E5"> children I was hanging</font> around<font color="#E5E5E5"> the wrong crowd is young age and</font> after having<font color="#E5E5E5"> my kids I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> closed myself out</font> and went not<font color="#E5E5E5"> a change in direction I can</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">tilt oil what about you I suppose</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> II</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">have to say this I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I would</font> probably<font color="#CCCCCC"> have a career</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> set for myself</font> because I was like I<font color="#E5E5E5"> love going to</font> school<font color="#CCCCCC"> wind</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know I was set on where</font> I wanted<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be at what age and whatnot</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so you had plan</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah I've always had my</font> dream job which is working<font color="#E5E5E5"> on the mines</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">obviously I couldn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do that because I</font> couldn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> leave</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> daughter for that long</font> but now I'm studying<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I'm kind of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">into minders sort of studying I'm</font> studying community services about<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> July I start myself<font color="#E5E5E5"> I've just finished</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">33 so I'm like toughen up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> between</font> disability and like<font color="#E5E5E5"> youth it's not the</font> career that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I've always wanted but it's</font> on I'm on the<font color="#CCCCCC"> tractor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> somewhere where I</font> want<font color="#E5E5E5"> to go it's taken a bit longer but</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">eventually I'll get there and if you</font> your kids become teenage parents how will you react oh I'd educate them yeah I'd give them what<font color="#CCCCCC"> I never had</font> which<font color="#CCCCCC"> I did have a choice but I'd give</font> them options I'd educate them I'd let them know what they're actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 4k</font> how<font color="#CCCCCC"> would you react to think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I hope I</font> would raise them better than<font color="#E5E5E5"> that but</font> you know I'd be supportive but<font color="#CCCCCC"> Regina</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ain't good yeah yeah I would hate for my</font> kids have to go through what I did<font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ideal what about the rest of you I</font> wouldn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> I wouldn't I wouldn't want to</font> sit<font color="#E5E5E5"> here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and say that team broke you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">know what we've all yeah Oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> amazing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> amazing and you know it's quite</font> fun but it's not<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's not ideal by any</font> means it's you know it would have<font color="#CCCCCC"> been</font> ideal to have<font color="#CCCCCC"> a career and have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a have a</font> house and do all that<font color="#E5E5E5"> before having</font> children<font color="#CCCCCC"> but we've just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of done it</font> the other<font color="#CCCCCC"> way around</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we've had children</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">first and we're working on the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> education</font> the career<font color="#CCCCCC"> that the house and when we're</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">30 will most likely be able to you know</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">go out and do things many</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> videos</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">doing because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just starting</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">their families and everything what about</font> you how do you<font color="#CCCCCC"> think you'd react</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> um</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hopefully not liked a lot of people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">around me hopefully I would handle it</font> better than<font color="#E5E5E5"> that and be as supportive as</font> I can<font color="#CCCCCC"> and just educate but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I think also</font> I will do what I<font color="#CCCCCC"> can to prevent</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it I'll</font> make sure<font color="#E5E5E5"> that sex is openly discussed</font> and that<font color="#CCCCCC"> I know where my daughter</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is and</font> make<font color="#E5E5E5"> sure that I'm okay that I know that</font> she's having<font color="#E5E5E5"> sex and prepare her with</font> contraception<font color="#CCCCCC"> and education</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but if it</font> happens it happens and no you know we're not<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to end</font> teenage pregnancy so I don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> think we</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">should be so fearful</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we should just be</font> as supportive as we can thank<font color="#E5E5E5"> you so</font> much everyone for<font color="#CCCCCC"> joining us tonight</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">really important stories to tell I think</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really good to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hear</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> that is all we<font color="#CCCCCC"> have time for here</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font> let's keep talking<font color="#E5E5E5"> on Twitter</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and on</font> Facebook consent<font color="#CCCCCC"> to me is really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like the whole</font> clear<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know get jiggy with us guys of</font> all of savage towards girls like<font color="#E5E5E5"> their</font> black<font color="#CCCCCC"> their pressure people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right</font> it's just<font color="#CCCCCC"> mailed like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mail thing to do I</font> have<font color="#E5E5E5"> felt pressured a couple of times</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that I realized that I don't need</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do</font> what the person saying like I don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> feel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">comfortable than I shouldn't have to do</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> you know I think this</font> scientifically<font color="#E5E5E5"> proven that it's harder</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for a man to understand whether one of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the girls as much</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> intuitive as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as he</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">thinks she is</font> we'll be back<font color="#CCCCCC"> next week stay tuned now</font> for Dateline<font color="#E5E5E5"> thanks everyone</font> straight welcome
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