Modern Feminist vs Turning Point UK

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I just so deeply object to a lot of what you're saying but at the root I feel like there's a clear misunderstanding about the the core values of feminism you saying that it's it's bitter women or that that it's not allowing men to be men anymore or demonizing masculinity I just I really don't agree with I don't think there's any value in in kind of glorifying toxic masculinity though that we have now with with making it seem as though being being a violent man or or anything like that is appropriate I think it's really damaging would you be able to phrase it as a question okay okay a couple of things back and we can have a discussion about this so first and foremost you started by saying I feel like it's really important that we know what you think like because of a big problem is that people are thinking or our feeling and they're not really thinking anymore secondly you brought up toxic masculinity I believe toxic masculinity exists but it exists inside of radicalized feminists right where they're thinking that they should be able to own in control Society because they're marching in the street with pussy hats and saying that they demand justice for a free and fair election like they did with Donald J Trump I don't like this trend where we're trying to turn men and you call it this masculinity is his masculinity I like masculinity masculinity is actually the one thing that saved me in life I was grateful to have my grandfather who was the strongest example of what it means to be a man right and because of that having that structure it actually saved me because he taught me personal responsibility he taught me to have a relationship with God right and yes he said he's a man's man he would everything with his hands he worked on the sharecropping farm from the time he was five years old today that archetype of what a man is is being taught that that there's something wrong with it that there's something that's implicitly violent about being a man and that's wrong and it's and I think the people that are harmed the most by it by the way are women women are harmed the most when you break down men and strong fathers we are the ones that suffer the most and also can I just say that you know men men commit suicide at faster rates than women women actually live longer than men most men are actually in prison and most men more than women are homeless so women graduate more in college women in what way are we suffering what statistic do you feel that women are suffering and men aren't because there might be a meninist there might need to be a Menon is a move you have a female prime minister a lot of things to address there but to begin with what you say about having a strong grandfather a male figure if you're saying that you've internalized these things these messages that he taught you then then surely there's nothing inherently masculine about about those those qualities I mean I don't understand how you're defining masculinity I don't know you're defining it yeah why don't you define it why don't you define you're the one I think like so you should define what masculinity means to you well I mean it's a masculinity now obviously just being a social construct literally nothing more than a set of expectations that are placed on somebody so then how can you call it if it's a social construct how can you call it toxic because social constructs can be toxic if you have a patriarchal society that is sending a message that men need to be dominant or they need to be I know you don't like the word violent but I think there's something violent about it about masculinity know about about the sort of masculinity that that we have now this this toxic what sorta makes that construct though in order for something to be a construct it has to begin as a norm which a majority among people follow sending messages that men need to possess certain qualities and I believe the qualities that they're that they're suggesting should be adopted bad which qualities need to know what exactly you've seen when you've said that is an example of toxic masculinity I think men feeling that they need to dominate spaces physically and speaking over women interrupting women belittling them feel good I'm being so it just quit just it's just a question so you just said into when men interrupt and dominate spaces were you a toxic feminist when you interrupted me when I was on stage [Applause] I'm just asking because you're saying that somebody interrupting someone is now a symbol of toxic masculinity you just interrupted me on stage so are you a toxic salmon because I didn't you went bullshit bullshit because you're total bullshit I didn't interrupt you because you're a woman I'm a be well I'm said what you were saying but maybe that's what men do sometimes is it possible that men sometimes interrupt because they disagree with what women are saying and not because they're tossed toxic masculinity in the air like you know what I'm saying is that you're coming up with terms and sometimes people just interrupt I'm fine with the fact that you're interrupting me it happens all the time and I'm not holding that against you I'm just using it to prove a point that you've created an entire concept around when men interrupt women but you literally just interrupted me and you don't identify as yourself the toxic feminists well maybe man what you're saying because you're women but maybe it's relevant to men as well when they're into when they interrupt people men interrupt other men men interrupt women were society what is your metric for that's one piece of data yeah like a data any piece you can't just say if there's a culture of men interrupting woman you watch what's your date what's your data point for this kind of entire data where you're looking at so you can see I mean what do you want me to say like it's like it's a fact yeah any fact a recent huge cultural example maybe a nice question do you think we live in a patriarchy yes why do women live longer than men why are men more likely to commit suicide why do women compose 50-plus percent of control 89% of the spending power within households if men are the ones that are going out and making all of the money as we like to say so it's a patriarchy that allows women a lot of responsibility we've been within a certain sphere not a powerful one the household is the wire majority of business startups women majority of master's degrees and majority of doctors degrees in the state married women lived the least long unmarried women live longest because they do not have the responsibilities the emotional labor of being married is emotional labor paedon marriage is emotional labor for women no because because the way that women support men like it's a huge but so this is sort of I appreciate discussion we're having this is that you're such a perfect reason for why I just all will never be a feminist because everything that you put it's like you don't really know why you're calling it toxic you did the exact same thing but you decided that when men interrupt it's because you're a woman but you decide that when you interrupt but just because you had a differing opinion I know I know I know and then you say stuff about the marriage and break down as an emotional labor there are women just you know that aspire to get married and have children and stay at home and raise good children and that's okay so but why are you now making it seem like that puts us in a position that's less than man created that's want to create a society be the people the person that raises every individual that's in society feminism has made it seem that there's something wrong with being a mother that there's something wrong with being a wife and everything that you've just said is that it's not emotional labor I want to have children I want to raise my children I don't wanna I don't want to be the CEO of a company and and not have a husband and that's not what I aspire to and that's why feminism is having a hard time with a lot of women who are realizing that when they give up everything that they naturally want in life to be a feminist they end up miserable and alone no I'm not please don't tell me that I'm sitting here with understanding I'm say I'm sitting here because I work hard you're personally responsible I'm not sitting here because of feminism I am not sitting here because of any feminist trust me supposed to be about choice and what radical feminism is actually doing is taking away that choice and making women feel bad about wanting to maybe be the traditional view of what a woman is there's nothing wrong with having a choice to do both I don't really understand your point isn't isn't trying to destroy the family women can happily be mothers and they can just said it emotion is in some way there is an imbalance it's not I don't feel that way so does that make which one of us is less of a woman we have different opinions you're saying that it is I'm saying that it's not we have a differing opinion and a vision why I don't like feminism because it basically tells us that we have to feel this way that we have to feel bitter towards men or husband towards marriage towards children and that's why I'm trying to let you know the feminist movement is considered very radicalized because there are many women especially concerns women who just don't feel that way we don't feel burdened by children and marriage can I give you some facts though to support this and you know you don't want to let hear from a man okay see how things get really dangerous and you start to generalize men and women all of a sudden like you did later doing is telling me that you do I don't believe radical feminism is pushing women into into hating the family it's just suggesting that that maybe this doesn't have to be your lot and some women have internalized values that make them think that this is what they want when when really they might not really do want a husband and children one day so but what I'm saying she was the reason why I don't like feminism because feminists think feminism is mandatory the second you find out that a girl doesn't end if I as a feminist you're up here and you're asking a bunch of questions I don't like the feminist movement I think it's become very toxic and very hostile towards men if you believed in the Equality that men that women should be able to think whatever we wanted you wouldn't be debating me right now you'd say well more power to you because you'd be a true feminist but you're not you're trying to I'm not belittling that you're allowed to be a feminist I'm not telling you you you don't you can be a feminist you could buy a pussy hat if you left today and I wouldn't mind I've never had an issue with people that are feminist I have an issue and people tell me that I now have to be a feminist or that it's complete bullshit when I say that ice I think it's harmful to keep telling men that masculinity is wrong masculinity is a component of being a man I think a society needs and thrives on strong men there has never been a society without strong men there's never been a society without strong men and I because I support that you're upset and you're calling bullshit what's wrong with that what's wrong with strong men why does that make you upset I just think they value reference did you let out bad all it was saying was the message was fundamentally just just stop being violent just no no it was it no little toddlers boys will be boys boys tend to be reckless they tend to punch each other and wrestle each other that's a healthy necessary part of the child development process trying to demonize that in the parental guidelines that Gillette was trying to have in 1/32 to a minute add is toxic feminism attacking toxic masculinity so let me give you some examples super quick so you say that's not what feminism wants the predominant viewpoint in the university now in the States and the UK is an anti male posture whether it be papers that literally say abolish men whether it be books that say the problem with men you're looking at me funny The Huffington Post publishes at least a weekly piece that says that men should have a less powerful man so white men cancel white men is a common theme the the me to movement oh so you agree with it okay they have the men have won every single war every freedom that we have in Dubai you create the anti male posture so you're true radical feminism comes out after ten minutes across examination before you said I have no problem with men now you say because white men have done a lot of shit now we get to revealing who you really are a man is a man angry person they just hate men there is no other platform you just said no problem there is no problem with with with analyzing the actions of men in history and condemning them you mean like what about all the good ones so that that's wrong we couldn't do that like defeating the nah so people men who had adventures anything that men have invented we can't we can't use anymore every was intended in America because uh women were finances what about all the good what of all about all the good things everything that we have in society every war that was fought and won was because of men do you ever think about that women have never started wars but you know wars have never been fought over women in this country that never happened Henry they right what's the point he was an adulterer I mean that's a terrible example women let me ask you question do you think women can do it have done anything wrong or that women can do anything wrong like would you beat up had been okay if there was like a shit ass trick razor commercial like about toxic femininity would that have been okay with you accusing men of things that never happen yeah a sexual assault like Brett Kavanaugh what I said prove it what facts game one fact of anything awful he's ever done he raped someone because she because she said so because she said so so why isn't there a trial on the court why didn't she go file it why didn't you file a police report there's no a time place no witnesses the same coach by Jessie Smollett then faking a hoax because you know you have to be awesome I don't know you can't you can't let's sit here and say that without facts that you can say he's a rapist but then Jesse Smollett can get away with saying there was people shouting this is Trump country we're gonna beat you up without facts you either have facts of both or you can't delete them I'm asked question do you think so now we're getting is like now this is why I don't support feminism by the way because you so you do you believe in the concept that women should just be believed and facts because that's that was the kristinb lazy 4 thing there was not a single fact do you think that woman should be believed absent facts if they say that they were raped and assaulted if someone comes forward and says a man or a woman comes forward and says something has happened to them that they should be given the time to to be heard and to it was her experience ok but why didn't you submit a police report but she has no evidence there's no statute of limitations for rape in Maryland she could file a police report today it's cuz she made up the entire thing why does he know the time the place no corroborating witnesses her story changed eight times none of her friends said I've ever happened or she ever talked about it once before everything about her life story changed at least six times two of the women that came forward and said that something happened are actually under criminal conviction for making up the entire thing they ever met her once before this was a con job to try to displace United States it was a political hit job it really was but I do want to say this to you is something for you just consider I think we should wrap this up because I don't think you're ever gonna not be a feminist and I'm never gonna be one right but it's really important when you start getting into that slippery slope of believing women and I talk about this particularly minority America because we've learned our lesson to harness with this and I think radicalize feminism when I did a an interview I said it was the closest thing to white supremacy I've ever seen as radicalized feminism the concept of just believing a woman because she said something is the direct thing that led to all of our ancestors getting lynched in America when white women would just say that something happens okay and and we were supposed to magically believe it our ancestors were then chased after put into cars Emmett Till everything that happened in America happened because white women should just be believed so you will never ever ever hear me stand behind a radicalized concept like just believe women because they're crying thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us today thank you like [Music]

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And maybe it's a matriarchy telling the 'patriarchs' who to be.

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