Michael J. Klarman, The Framers' Coup: The Making of the United States Constitution

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>> THIS IS A >> THIS IS A TEST. TESTING. >> THOSE AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN DEFEATED AND YOU ARE MOVING FROM A PROPOSAL FOR UNLIMITED TAXING POWER. CONSTITUTION AUTHORIZES CONGRESS TO CREATE A NAVY AND CALL INTO FEDERAL SERVICE WITHOUT RESTRICTION. NOW, YOU NEED TO COMPARE WITH THE ARTICLES AND UNDER THE ARTICLES, CONGRESS CAN REQUISITION. NOW, YOU HAVE CONGRESS THAT CAN RAISE AN ARMY, NOT ONLY DURING WARTIME, BUT DURING PEACETIME AND NO LIMITS TO DURATION AND IF THEY HAVE TO GET A SUPER MAJORITY COMMITMENT AND THAT'S A SHIFT OF POWER TO THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT AND AT THE TIME, THEY FELT THAT STANDING ARMIES WERE VERY DANGEROUS TO THE ENEMY AND THEY THOUGHT THAT CONGRESS WOULD PRESENT DISPERSE. AND THE LIMITED POWER. AND FOURTH, CONGRESS HAS IMPLIED POWERS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION AND EXPRESSLY PROVIDES THAT CONGRESS MAY ONLY EXERCISE THOSE POWERS THAT ARE EXPRESSLY DELEGATED AND UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, THE CONSTITUTION CLEARLY AUTHORIZES IMPLIED POWERS AND LISTED IN ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT AND CONGRESS ALSO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PASS LAWS THAT ARE NECESSARY AND PROPER TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OTHER POWERS OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S EXPLICIT OF THE CONGRESS IMPLIED POWERS. THAT WAS AN INTENSELY PROPOSITION IN THE RATIFYING PROCESS AND FINALLY, THE CONSTITUTION IMPLIES THE MECHANISM FOR A ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL CONFEDERACY AND THE TREATIES WITHIN THE CONFEDERATION CONGRESS, BUT THE CONFEDERATION CONGRESS HAD NO WE WAY OF IMPLEMENTING. GIVING THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT THE AUTHORITY ANY POWER TO VETO ANY STATE LAW IT FELT LIKE VETOING AND INSTEAD, THEY CAME UP WITH A 3-PART PROVISION FOR ESTABLISHING FEDERAL SUPREMACY AND IT IS THE FEDERAL SUPREMECY CAUSE IN ARTICLE SIX OF THE CONSTITUTION AND IT IS SUPREME OVER STATE LAW TO THE CONTRARY. SECOND, THE CONSTITUTION CREATES A FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM AND THERE WERE NONE UNDER THE ARTICLE. THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT AND CONGRESS IS AUTHORIZED, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO CREATE THE FEDERAL SUPREME COURT AND YOU HAVE THE FEDERAL JUDICIALS THAT WILL ENFORCE THE FEDERAL SUPREMACY AND NO STATE SHALL MAKE ANYTHING FOR GOLD OR SILVER LEGAL TENDER AND STATES SHALL NOT PROVIDE THE OBLIGATION OF CONTRACT AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED TO THE PAPER MONEY LAWS AND THE DEBTOR RELIEF LAWS AND THE MAJORITY OF THE STATES HAVE BEEN PASSING IN THE MID 17 '80S AND OTHER THAN THE GREAT DEPRESSION AND THE MAJORITY OF THE STATES THAT ENACTED THE RELIEF LEGISLATION AND IT IS AN OFFICIAL FORM AND THE DEBTORS AND THEY WANTED TO SUPPRESS THAT THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION. IT IS IMPORTANT AND WORTH TAKING NOTE OF THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE STATES HAD PASSED THESE LAWS IN THE MID 1780'S AND HOW REPRESENTATIVE THE OPINION WAS IN THE COUNTRY. NOSE ARE THE NATIONALIST PROVISIONS AND LET ME TURN TO THE ANTI-POP PEW LIST PROVISIONS AND ARTICLE TEN IS AN ANTI-POP PEW LIST LIST LEGISLATION. THIS IS RELATIVE TO THE ARTICLES AND STATE CONSTITUTION AND UNDER THE ARTICLES THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES SPEND ONE YEAR IN OFFICE AND UNDER THE STATE CONSTITUTION AND THE LOWER HOUSE HAD AN HAD AN YULE TERMS IN OFFICE AND THE MAJORITY OF STATES HAD GOVERNORS WHO SERVED ANNUAL TERMS IN OFFICE AND SOME STATE SENATES. AS YOU KNOW, UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, THE CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES SERVED TWO YEARS, THE PRESIDENT SERVED FOUR YEARS. MOST OF THE DELEGATES WANTED TO GO FURTHER IN EXTENDING THE TERM IN OFFICE. FOUR STATE DELEGATIONS VOTED AT ONE POINT FOR LIFETIME TENURE FOR THE PRESIDENT. THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT FOR YOU, DONALD TRUMP AS A LIFETIME PRESIDENT. HAMILTON WANTED SENATORS AND PRESIDENTS TO BE LIFETIME TENURE. HE FELT THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD ADEQUATELY PROTECT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THEY MADE A RADIFICATION AND THAT'S WHY THEY REDUCED THE TERM TO 2, 4, AND 6 YEARS. AS YOU KNOW THE SENATORS WERE ELECTED FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURES AND THAT REMAINED THE CASE UNTIL 1913. THE PRESIDENT WERE AND STILL ARE CHOSEN BY THE METHODS THAT ARE CHOSEN BY THE STATE LEGISLATURES. TODAY, WE ASSUME THAT WAS GENERAL ELECTIONS. IT DIDN'T MATTER. NOBODY WAS VOTING FOR PRESIDENT AND THEY IN THELY -- INDEPENDENTLY DELIBERATED AND CHOSE THE PRESIDENT. THE REASON FOR THAT, THEY DISTRUSTED THE PEOPLE TO CHOSE THE NATION'S DELEGATE. QUOTING "IT WOULD IMPROPER TO DEFER THAT CHOICE TO THE PEOPLE AS IT WOULD BE TO DEFER A TRIAL OF COLORS TO A BLIND MAN". THINK ABOUT THAT. THE PEOPLE CAN'T POSSIBLY TRUSTED TO CHOOSE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. IT WOULD BE A LIKE A BLIND MAN CHOOSING BETWEEN COLORS AND THE DIRECT REPRESENTATION OF THE DIRECT DELEGATES AND THEY EVEN STRUCTURED THE HOUSE, SO IT WOULD BE INSULATED FROM THE POPULAR OPINION. CREATING A VERY SMALL HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONGRESSMAN WOULD BE WITH CERTAIN CON STITCH WENCIES. AND BACK AT THE TIME IT WAS LIKE 40 OR 30,000. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CONSTITUENCY 20 TIMES AS LARGE FOR THE HOUSE AS IN MASSACHUSETTS LEGISLATURE. FAIRLY LARGE CONSTITUENCIES IN FAIRLY GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. THE REASON FOR THAT IS TWOFOLD AND THE PEOPLE MORE AFTER FLEWENT AND THE LARGER THE CON STITCH WENCY, THE LARGER THE REPRESENTATIVE AND THE CONSTITUENT. AND 65 CONSTITUENT. AND 65 FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THE NEXT POINT AMONG THE SAME DIMENSION AND AUTHORIZING CONGRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSTITUENCIES WERE EVEN LARGER. PROVIDING THAT CONGRESS CAN CHANGE THE STATE REGULATIONS FOR THE TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER OF THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS. WHAT THEY HAD IN MIND WAS THAT CONGRESS COULD SAY TO A STATE LEGISLATURE, WE INSIST THAT YOU ELECT YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVE AT LARGE, RATHER THAN BY DISTRICT. VIRGINIA WAS THE LARGEST AND THE MOST POWERFUL STATE AT THE TIME OF THE FOUNDING. VIRGINIA HAD TEN REPRESENTATIVES AND YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THEY HAD TO BE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES AND THE FLAMERS FIGURED THAT CONGRESS WOULD PICK TEN CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ENTIRE STATE. EVERY VIRGINIAN VOTES FOR EVERY REPRESENTATIVE AND THAT WOULD BE EVEN AN ENORMOUS CONSTITUENT AND THEY WOULD BE EVEN MORE INSULATED FROM THE DIRECT SUPERVISION OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS. AND THE RECALL AND THE MANDATORY ROTATION IN OFFICE. EACH OF WHICH, I WILL ELABORATE IN A SECOND AND UNDER THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION, THEY EXISTED AND THE FRAMERS CONSCIOUSLY LEFT THEM OUT OF THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION. INSTRUCTION IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE AND THE MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS THE CONSTITUENTS TO INSTRUCT THEM HOW TO VOTE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT FOR THE MOST PART BACK THEN. BUT A NEW ENGLAND TOWN MEETING COULD SAY TO ITS REPRESENTATIVE, WE WANT YOU TO VOTE THIS WAY ON RAISING TAXES AND IF YOU DIDN'T WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS INSTRUCTED YOU TO DO, YOU WOULD BE MORALLY ABOUT DOCTOR -- ABOUT BRIDGED TO RECALL YOUR SEAT. AND AT ANY POINT IN OFFICE, THEY WOULD BE RECALLED BY THEIR STATE LEGISLATURES. YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURES DID THEIR BIDDING OR IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FOR THE OFFICE. THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR THAT. UNDER THE ARTICLES, YOU CAN ONLY SERVE THREE OUT OF EVERY SIX YEARS AND AFTER SERVING THE SIX YEARS, YOU ARE ROTATED OUT OF OFFICE. AVOIDING THE LEGISLATURES FROM GETTING EMBEDDED IN OFFICE. THEY WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE SUSCEPTIBLE OF THE POPULOUS IMPULSES AND SHUT DOWN ANY STATE LEGISLATURE IF A STATE TRIES TO PASS IT GOING FORWARD. THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF MY TALK. THE SECOND PART IS EXPLAINING HOW THE CONVENTION. AND THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS AND THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED RATIFICATION AND THE DEMOCRATIC AND THE ARISTOCRATIC PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE IN DIFFERENTLY REPRESENTED IN PHILADELPHIA. HERE'S SOME DISCREET POINTS THAT MAY ADD UP TO AN EXPLANATION AND I'M GOING TO PUT MY POINTS ON THE COUNTER REVOLUTION AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY HAS SUFFICIENTLY EXPLAINED WHY THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION WAS SO UNREPRESENTATIVE AND HOW THEY CONVINCED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO DEPRIVE THEM OF SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE OVER THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. THE STATE LEGISLATURES ELECTED THE DELEGATES FOR THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION, EXCEPT FOR ONE. RHODE ISLAND DIDN'T SEND DELEGATES TO PHILADELPHIA AND OTHER STATES, THE STATES CHOSE THE DELEGATES. THEY SIMPLY CHOSE THEIR MOST EMINENT, WELL-KNOWN, LARGE REPUTATION CITIZENS. IN PENNSYLVANIA, THEY ARE GOING TO SEND BENJAMIN FRANKLIN AND GEORGE WASHINGTON AND CHOOSING THE WELL-KNOWN, EMINENT CITIZENS AND THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD REQUIRE SUCH A REPRESENTATION IS EITHER SERVING FROM THE CONFEDERATION CONGRESS AND/OR THE REVOLUTIONARY ARMY. THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES SERVED IN THE CONFEDERATION CONGRESS AND THE REVOLUTIONARY ARMY. IF YOU SERVED IN THE CONFEDERATION CONGRESS, YOU ARE USED TO THINKING IN PA ROCK KEEL TERMS AND IN ADDITION MANY PEOPLE WHO SERVED IN THE REVOLUTIONARY YEARN LEARNED TO DISTRUST THE STATE, LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON AND JOHN MARSHALL AND SAW THE STATE OFTEN AS BEING OBSTRUCTIVE AND REFUSING TO ANTI-UP MAN AND ANTI-UP MONEY AND TURNED THEM INTO NATIONALISTS FOR LIFE. THEY TENDED TO BE WELL EDUCATED, LARGE LANDOWNERS AND NOT HAVING A POP PEW HIS INFLUENCE ON GOVERNMENT. IT HAD NO REASON TO MOBILIZE AND ADVANCE THAT AGENDA BECAUSE THEY HAD NO REASON TO SUSPECT THAT'S WHAT THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION WOULD BE UP. ENDS UP, IT WAS IN THE HEAD OF ONE MAN, JAMES MADISON. HE SERVED IN THE CONFEDERATION CONGRESS AND VIRGINIA LEGISLATURE AND HE WAS WELL REGARDED AND PEOPLE LIKED HIM. HE WAS NOT A FORMIDABLE SPEAKER AND OFTEN, THE REPORTER HAD TO WRITE DOWN WHAT MADISON WAS TALKING AND HE WAS SICKLY AND DIDN'T HAVE A BIG PRESENCE LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON. HE PLAYED A LARGE ROLE BECAUSE HE WAS THE BEST PREPARED MAN IN THE ROOM. ALWAYS THE BEST PREPARED PERSON IN ANY DEBATE. MADISON SPENT THE MONTHS BEFORE THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION SYSTEMATICALLY ANALYZES THE CONFEDERACY AND DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEMS THEY TENDED TO SUFFER FROM AND PROPOSING SOLUTIONS. HE QUEERED -- COORDINATED AMONG HIS VIRGINIA DELEGATES AND THEY ARRIVED A FEW HOURS EVERY DAY TALKING THROUGH THEIR NEW IDEAS FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND TOGETHER, THESE TWO LARGE STATES, THE THREE LARGEST STATES AT THE TIME WERE VIRGINIA, PENNSYLVANIA AND MASSACHUSETTS. THEY ARE THERE EARLY AND THE LARGEST STATES AND COD NATING ON A FAIRLY NATIONALIST ANTI-POPULIST AGENDA AND IT IS CALLED THE VIRGINIA PLAN AND IT TURNS OUT THAT PROPOSAL WAS VERY NATIONALIST AND ANTI-POPULIST. OBVIOUSLY, WHERE YOU END UP DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU START AND THEY STARTED ON A POPULIST POINT ON THE SPECTRUM. TEN DELEGATES DECIDED TO TURN DOWN THEIR POPULIST. THEY BECAME LEADING ANTI-FEDERALISTS AND APPOINTED TO THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION AND DIDN'T GO AND BECAME LEADING PROPONENTS OF RATIFICATION. IT IS HARD TO KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T GO. SOME OF WHAT THEY SAID AND IT IS A FAIRLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE AND DANGEROUS TO SPECK CUE LATE AND ONE POSSIBILITY IS THAT THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T GO BECAUSE THEY HAD LITTLE SYMPATHY FOR THE MILDLY CONVENTION AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN PHILADELPHIA WAS A FAIRLY REVOLUTIONARY REFORM PROJECT AND IF THEY KNEW THAT, THEY MIGHT HAVE GONE TO FIGHT AGAINST IT. BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, SO THEY DIDN'T GO. SOME DELEGATES WENT TO THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION AND DIDN'T APPROVE TO THE NATIONALIST AND ANTI-POPULIST DIRECTION AND LEFT EARLY. LEAVING ONLY ALEXANDER HAMILTON, WHO WAS THE LARGEST NATIONALIST AND ANTI-POPULIST OF THEM ALL. LUTHER MARTIN WAS ONE THAT LEFT THE CONVENTION EARLY AND BECAME ONE OF THE LARGEST ANTI-NATIONALISTS IN MARYLAND AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LEFT. IT WAS DOING SOMETHING I WILL HEEGITIMATE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO STAY. YOU CAN STAY AND FIGHT AGAINST IT AND MAKE IT LESS OBJECTIONABLE. THEY CHOSE TO LEAVE AND THAT WAS PROBABLY A MISTAKE. AND FIFTH, THEY CLOSED THE DOORS TO THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION AND MADISON SAID IF THEY HADN'T DONE THIS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH ANY CONSTITUTION AT ALL. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR CLOSING THE DOORS IT LIMITED THE DELEGATES TO TAKE VERY EXTREME ANTI-NATIONALIST POSITIONS AND IF THEY WERE MAKING THESE STATEMENTS WITH THE PRESS IN THE GALLERIES AND CLOSING THE CONVENTION MEANT THAT THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO OPPOSE THE CONSTITUTION WERE DEPRIVED OF FOUR MONTHS OF OPPOSITION. IF THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEY COULD HAVE STARTED IMMEDIATELY ORGANIZING THEIR OPPOSITION, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THE CONVENTION OPENED ITS DOORS. AND THE DELEGATES MADE A MOMENT MOMENTOUS DECISION TO SEIZE THE CONVENTION AND MADISON IS AIRING HIS IDEAS AND THINKING THROUGH HIS IDEAS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT AND WITH THE LETTERS WITH WASHINGTON, THEY FIND WITH THEIR MUTUAL SATISFACTION THEY AGREE IT IS NOT TEMPORAL EXPEEDENS AND THEY WANT THE CONSTITUTION TO DO SOMETHING MORE. GIVE UH P ON THE IDEA OF INCREMENTAL REFORM AND DO SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC. AND WHEN HE INTRODUCES THE PLAN AND GEORGE WASHINGTON IS IMMEDIATELY MADE THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONVENTION AND ACCORDING TO MADISON'S NOTES. HE, RANDOLPH, WOULD NOT AS FAR AS DEPENDENT ON HIM WOULD NOT LEAVE ANYTHING NECESSARY UNDONE. THE PRESENT MOMENT IS FAVORABLE. AND PROBABLY THE LAST. THEY WENT FOR BROKE AND TO GET THE TYPE OF GOVERNMENT THEY REALLY WANTED AND THEY WERE GOING TO PURSUE SOME MORE RADICAL REFORM. THEY TRIMMED THEIR SAILS TO SOME EXTEND TO ENSURE THE LIKELIHOOD OF RATIFICATION AND THEY WERE GOING TO OVERHAUL THE GOVERNMENT. HOW DID THEY GET THIS RATIIED WHEN IT IS SO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING AND PROBABLY WANTING. IT IS A POINT OF EMPHASIS AND YOU SHOULDN'T ASSUME THIS WAS INEVITABLE AND IT WAS A HIGHLY CONTINGENT SERIES OF EVENTS. IT ALMOST FAILED. TWO STATES REJECTED THE RATIFICATION BEFORE CHANGING ITS MIND. AND THE FEDERALISTS, THE SUPPORTERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD ARRANGED FOR THE CONVENTION TO BE ADJOURNED WHEN THEY SAW THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE AND THEY COULD COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS AND FIGHT AGAIN. IN VIRGINIA, THE VOTE WAS 89-79. AND IN MASSACHUSETTS IT WAS 187-168 IN FAVOR. THOSE ARE THE TWO LARGEST STATES AND IF 1 OR 2 HAD REJECTION THE CONSTITUTION, IT WAS PROBABLE THAT THE CONSTITUTION WOULD HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT. EVEN IF NINE STATES RATIFIED, YOU COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT VIRGINIA AND MASSACHUSETTS AND PENNSYLVANIA. THE THREE LARGEST STATES. THIS IS NOT A RIGGED SYSTEM, NOT A SCAM, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT IT WAS NOT AN ENTIRELY FAIR FIGHT AND AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD. THE FEDERALISTS ADVANTAGE WITH MALL PROPORTION IN SOME STATES, ESPECIALLY, SOUTH CAROLINA. IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND 20% OF THE WHITE POPULATION AND ONLY MEN AND THOSE THAT OWN LAND ARE VOTING. AND 20% OF THE POPULATION LIVES IN COASTAL AREAS ALONG THE ATLANTIC SEA BOARD AND THE SUPPORT IS VERY STRONG IN THOSE AREAS AND IT ELECTS 60% OF THE DELEGATES AT THE RATIFYING CONVENTION BECAUSE OF THE MISPROPORTION. AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE POLITICAL POWERS TEND TO BE ALTRUISTIC IN NOT SHARING IT. A MAR -- MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION OPPOSED THE CONSTITUTION AND BECAUSE OF SEVERAL PROPORTION, TWO-THIRDS OF THE VIRGINIA DELEGATES VOTED IN FAVOR. 90% OF AMERICANS LIVED OUTSIDE OF CITIES IN 1877 AND 1878 AND THE NEWSPAPERS TENDED TO BE OVERWHELMING SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONSTITUTION. ANY FEDERALISTS HAD A HARD TIME EVEN GETTING THEIR ESSAYS REPRINTED IN MANY STATES. AND THE LEADING FEDERALIST IN SOUTH CAROLINA COMPLAINED THAT THE WHOLE WEIGHT AND INFLUENCE OF THE PRESS WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE CONSTITUTION. ONLY 12 OF THE 90 NEWSPAPERS IN CIRCULATION IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY POSTED IN FAVOR OF THE FEDERALISTS. IT IS LIKE TODAY, ONLY HAVE FOX NEWS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN NEW YORK, 19 OUT OF EVERY 20 VOTERS IS ANTICIPATING ELECTING DELEGATES FOR THE CONVENTION, 19 OUT OF 20 VOTED FOR A FEDERALIST DELEGATE AND THIS HAD AN EFFECT IN WHERE THE ELECTIONS WERE HELD INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE STATE RATIFYING CONVENTION AND ALL OF THE ELECTIONS WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT MEAN THAT THE GALLERIES TENDED TO BE DOMINATED BY SPECTATORS AND THE CITIES TENDED TO BE DOMINATED BY THE FEDERALIST SPECTATORS WHO WERE NOT SHY ABOUT VOICING THEIR OPINIONS. IF THE FEDERALISTS GOT UP TO SPEAK, THEY WOULD BE BOOED AND HISSED AT. DIFFICULT FOR ANY FEDERALIST TO GEFRN -- EVEN GET THEIR OPINION VOICED. HOLDING OPEN HOUSES AT THEIR HOMES DURING THE DURATION OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA CONVENTION AND ADJOURN TO THEIR HOMES AFTER THE DAY'S DELIBERATIONS WERE OVER AND YOU CAN BE SURE THEY WERE WHISPERING INTO THE EAR'S OF THE DELEGATES, THE POSITIVE AND GLOWING THINGS OF THE CONSTITUTION. FEDERALISTS JUST HAD AN EASIER TIME ORGANIZING THEIR SUPPORTERS. THIS IS AN ERA OF VERY RUDIMENTARY COMMUNICATION AND THE AREAS THAT WERE REMOTE FROM THE COMMERCIAL CONNECTION AND REMOTE FROM THE ROADS, THEY TENDED TO OPPOSE THE CONSTITUTION. IF YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT THE FEDERALISTS AND THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS ARE EQUAL IN NUMBER, THE FEDERALISTS HAD AN EASIER TIME ORGANIZING THAN THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS. AND THE ELITE OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED RADIFICATION, THAN IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. THAT WAS A BIG ADVANTAGE FOR FEDERALISTS IN THE RATIFYING CONVENTIONS WHEN THE ANTI-MATERIAL -- FEDERALISTS WERE OPEN TO HAVING THEIR MINDS CHANGED. ANTI-ELITISM 225 YEARS AGO. I'M GOING TO MENTION A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS AND THEM I'M GOING TO BE DONE AND HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. THE GENIUS OF THE ARTICLE SEVEN WAS A HUGE POINT AND PUTTING THE CONSTITUTION INTO OPERATION AND NO STATE COULD BIND ANY OTHER. UNANIMOUS STATE CONSENT AND THE ARTICLES WERE NEVER SUCCESSFULLY AMENDED. THEY COULDN'T BE BOUND WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, BUT ALSO NOT PART OF THE COUNTRY, UNLESS THEY RATIFIED. IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS PRESERVEG EVERY STATE'S RIGHT TO GO ITS OWN WAY. ONCE NINE STATES HAD RATIFIED, THE OTHER STATES WOULD BE -- THEY ARE NOT IN THE COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE A NEW COUNTRY AND THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED MILITARY PROTECTION AND SUBJECT TO FOREIGN TRADE TAXIFICATION AND CUT OUT THE IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE FIRST NEW CONGRESS AND ONCE THE NEW CONGRESS MET, IT IS GOING TO HAVE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT DECISIONS TO MAKE. LIKE WHERE TO PLACE THE NATIONAL CAPITOL AND THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION. AND ONCE THE NINE STATES RATIFIED, THE OTHER FOUR DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE AND THEY JUST MADE IT UP AT THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION AND ENTERING INTO THE CONVENTION, EVERYBODY THOUGHT BECAUSE THE CONVENTION SAID IT, ANYTHING PROPOSED WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CONGRESS AND THEY JUST CHANGED THE RULES AND THOUGHT THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, AND THEY COULD. ESPECIALLY, IN NEW YORK AND VIRGINIA, WHERE ANY ANTI-FEDERALIST MET, IT WAS NINE MONTHS AFTER THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION ENDED AND I THINK THEY CALCULATED IT WAS GOING THE GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO RALLY THEIR SUPPORTERS. WHAT THEY DID, THEY MADE THEMSELVES IRRELEVANT AND BY THE TIME IT WAS UNDERWAY IN LATE JUNE. NEW HAMPSHIRE WAS THE NINTH STATE TO RATIFY AND THE VIRGINIA CONVENTION WAS THE TENTH STATE TO RATIFY AND IT HUGELY CHANGED THE CALCULUS IN NEW YORK. WHETHER YOU LIKE THE CONSTITUTION OR NOT, DO YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE NEW NATION AND THE NATION'S CAPITOL IS IN NEW YORK AND THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE IT IF THEY DIDN'T JOIN THE UNION AND THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE HARD CURRENCY AND HAD VIRGINIA OR NEW YORK CHOSEN TO GO IN A DIFFERENT FAVOR, IT COULD HAVE INFLUENCED THE LATER STATES. ONE THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND THE FEDERALISTS MANAGED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND I LEARNED THIS WORKING ON THE BOOK AND IT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THEIR SUCCESS TO KEEP THE IMMEDIATE OPTIONS OFF OF THE TABLE. AND THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH AT LEAST, HALF OF THE COUNTRY WAS SIGNIFICANTLY FLAWED. THEY WANTED TO DENY PEOPLE A CHOICE ON THE SPECTRUM SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE ARTICLES AND THE VASTLY MORE NATIONNATIONAL IST AND POPULIST CONSTITUTION. THE TWO WAYS TO ARRIVE AT AN INTERMEDIATE SOLUTION WERE THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURAL MECHANISMS. ONE WAS AMEND THE CONSTITUTION BEFORE IT GETS RATIFIED RATHER THAN AFTERWARDS AND THEN, LET'S HOLD A SECOND CONVENTION. ANY FEDERALISTS, THEY MADE GOOD ARGUMENTS. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND -- PATRICK HENRY SAID THIS, YOU HAVE TO BE A LUNATIC TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER PARTY WHEN THAT PARTY GETS TO CHANGE THE TERMS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO. THAT'S LIKE AGREE TOGETHER THE CONSTITUTION WITH AMENDMENTS TO COME. YOU SHOULD INSIST ON SEEING THE AMENDMENTS IN ADVANCE, WHICH SEEMS PRETTY REASONABLE. AND IT WAS UNVEILED AT A SECRET CONVENTION AND WE HAVE HAD A BIG NATIONAL DEBATE AND PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS AND NOW, LET'S VOTE FOR MORE DELEGATES AND GET TO A MORE INTERMEDIATE POSITION, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE DELEGATES WERE AT. THEY OPPOSED THESE ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT A SECOND CONVENTION WOULD ALAW THEM TO PRESERVE THE CORE OF WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN PHILADELPHIA. THEY WANTED TO ARRIVE AT WHAT MOST AMERICANS AGREED WITH, BUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE NATION'S GOOD. RANDOLPH, THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA AND MADISON ARE CORRESPONDING. AND MADISON IS TOYING WITH HIS IDEAS AND RANDOLPH SAYS, WE SHOULD PRESENT IT TO THE COUNTRY IN A DISATTACHED FORM AND MADISON WAS HORRIFIED BY THIS. THIS IS WHAT MADISON SAID TO JEFFERSON LATER THAT YEAR." IN VIRGINIA WHERE THE MASS OF PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO BE GUIDED BY THEIR LEADERS, THE MATTER OF WHETHER TO RATIFY OR NOT RATIFIED THE CONSTITUTION SURPASSS WHAT MOST ARE INFORMED ON ". TO SUM UP IN ONE MINUTE. THE CONSTITUTION IS MORE POP PEW HIS THAT WHAT MANY AMERICANS WANTED AND THEY BARELY GOT IT RATIFIED AND BENEFITTING FROM CIRCUMSTANCES THAT PROVED ADVANTAGEOUS AND MISCALCULATIONS BY THEIR POLITICAL ADVERSE SAYS AND SOME LUCK. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH WHAT THEY DID IN PHILADELPHIA AND YOU THINK IT IS LEGITIMATE OR I WILL LEGITIMATE, YOU HAVE TO STAND BACK WITH ADMIRATION OF WHAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE IT WAS A TYPE OF CO. THIS IS NOT WHAT MOST AMERICANS BARGAINED FOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I CAN TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE. HAVE. [APPLAUSE] HAVE. [APPLAUSE] >> THING THAT YOU DIDN'T MENTION IS THE BILL OF RIGHTS, THAT MUST HAVE PLAYED A BIG PART IN THE CONVENTION AND THE RATIFICATION OR DID IT NOT?" >> THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS TACKLED IN THE LAST CHAPTER OF THE BOOK. NO STATE DELEGATION SUPPORTED THEM. THE FEDERALISTS DURING THE RATIFYING CONVENTION HAD TO EXPLAIN AND DEFEND THE ABSENCE OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE OBJECTION THERE IS NO BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE PROTECTION OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND SO ON. THE FEDERALISTS HAD ARGUMENTS WHY THEY THOUGHT THE EXISTENCE OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS WOULD BE DANGEROUS. IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME IF THEY WOULD HAVE OPPOSED THE BILL OF RIGHTS IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IN THE CONVENTION AND THEY WERE THERE FOR TEN LONG HOT SUMMER MONTHS AND THE DELEGATES JUST SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS. IT TURNED OUT TO BE A PRINCIPLE MISTAKE AND MADISON WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WANTED TO BE ELECTED TO THE FIRST CONGRESS FROM VIRGINIA AND IT INCLUDED A LARGE SHARE OF THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA BAPTISTS AND THEY HAD BEEN OPPRESSED AND MANY BAPTIST PREACHERS HAD BEEN THROWN IN JAIL FROM THE PREVIOUS DECADE. THEY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS NO PROTECTION FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IN THE CONSTITUTION. AND MADISON WAS RUNNING AGAINST JAMES MONROE, A REVOLUTIONARY WAR HERO AND THIS WAS A DISTRICT THAT HAD BEEN GERRYMANDERED TO KEEP PATRICK HENRY OUT OF THE FIRST CONGRESS AND NOW, HE WOULD SUPPORT A BILL OF RIGHTS NOW THAT THE CONSTITUTION HAD BEEN RATIFIED AND MADISON GETS UP IN CONGRESS ON JUNE 8, 1879, AND SAYS I'M PROPOSING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONGRESS. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT MADISON IS PROPOSING. THEY WANT STRUCTURAL CHANGES AND LIMIT THE TAXING POWERS AND THE MILITARY POWERS. THAT'S WHAT MADISON OFFERS, THE RIGHT AGAINST SEARCH AND SEIZURE AND ROBUST, SIGNIFICANT PROTECTIONS. THEY WANT LIMITS ON NATIONAL POWER RATHER THAN THE RIGHTS PROTECTIONS AND THE CONGRESS SAID TO MADISON, NOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DUTY, YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET BECAUSE WE HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO LIKE RAISING THE TAXES AND WHY SHOULD WE BE AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND MADISON PERSISTS AND MAKES ARGUMENTS AND IF WE DON'T DELIVER WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS WERE PROMISED, THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO TRUST US AND MADISON PERSISTS AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE'S ABLE TO GET CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE TEN AMENDMENTS AND THAT'S HOW WE GET THE BILL OF RIGHTS. IT IS FASCINATING AND NEITHER SIDE CARES MUCH ABOUT THE RIGHTS PROVISIONS AND THEY THINK OF THEM AS PARCHMENT BARRIERS. AND'S NOT WHAT WE THINK TODAY BECAUSE WE CELEBRATE OUR BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE JUDGES ENFORCE THEM, BUT IN 1879, NEITHER SIDE THINKS IT IS IMPORTANT IN THE CONSTITUTION. THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND MOST OF THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS HAD COME AROUND AND JAMES MADISON WAS MORE OR LESS THE MAJORITY LEADER AND I WONDER IF JAMES MADISON WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS AS A SUCCESSFUL COO AND IF THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS WOULD HAVE ALSO RETHOUGHT THE SITUATION? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I HAVE TO BREAK IT INTO TWO PARTS AND THE FIRST PART, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CRITICAL CRITICISM. AND JAMES WOOD, ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL POLITICAL WRITER IN THIS PERIOD, AND THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS DID GIVE UP THEIR ANTI-HE GET -- ANTI-LEGITIMACY DEBATE AND THIS IS I WILL GET ATE. ATE. PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE DUBIOUS MIGHT HAVE SAID IT IS ABOUT GREAT BRITAIN OPENED UP A DEMAND FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS AND THE UNITED STATES WAS MORE INTERESTED IN THE LAW AND WITH THE BOOMING ECONOMY, PEOPLE ARE NOT AS INTERESTED IN OBJECTING TO THE ARRANGEMENTS THAT EXIST. THE CONSTITUTION QUICKLY PROVES THAT THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS TYPES COULD MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENTS THEY MADE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION. ONE OF THE FIRST DEBATES IS IF CONGRESS CAN CHARTER A NATIONAL BANK. AND JAMES MADISON SAYS THERE IS NOTHING IN THE POWER THAT ALLOWS THEM TO CHARTER A BANK. AND ALEXANDER HAMILTON SAID ON THE OTHER HAND, IF CONGRESS CAN RAISE TAXES, WOULDN'T IT BE CONVENIENT TO HAVE A BANK. THE ARGUMENTS OF WHAT THE CONSTITUTION MEANS AND IF THE STATE SENATE THAT APPROVED THE SECRETARY OF STATE PLAYS A ROLE IN REMOVING THE SECRETARY OF STATE. JAMES MADISON ATTACKS IT AND SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN ONLY DECLARE WAR AND NOT PEACE. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE ANTI-FEDERALISTS TYPE CAN GO ON MAKING THEIR SAME STATE RIGHTS POPULIST ARGUMENTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND IN THE FIRST CIVIL WAR, THEY DOMINATE THE GOVERNMENT. WHAT'S THE POINT OF ATTACKING THE CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU CAN CONTROL ITS INTERPRETATION. AND MADISON SEEMED LIKE A HUGE NATIONALIST IN 1787. BY 798, MADISON IS ARGUING TO NULL FIE A FEDERAL LAW AND HE'S WRITING RESOLUTIONS FOR THE VIRGINIA LEGISLATURE AND THAT A STATE AUDIT COULD RATIFY THE FEDERAL LAW. WHAT HAPPENED TO JAMES MADISON? MADISON WAS ONLY A NATIONALIST WHEN HE HAD IN MIND THE STATE DEBT RELIEF AND IF THE STATES ARE GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTING THE WEALTH FROM THE DEBTORS, THE STATES NEED TO SIGN ON TO THAT. MADISON DOESN'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A NATIONAL BANK AND THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD SUBSIDIZE THE STATE DEBT AND MADISON IS A VIRGINIA ARISTOCRAT AND THE SOUTH VIRTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BANKS AND NOW, TRYING TO CREATE
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Published: Tue Sep 12 2017
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