>>> KRISTEN WELKER HOSTS MEET THE PRESS EVERY SUNDAY ON NBC. ♪ ♪ >>> IF IT IS MONDAY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE ANTHONY BLINKEN URGES THE HAMAS DEAL, RELEASING 33 HOSTAGES, WHICH COULD BE THE LAST CHANCE FOR A PAUSE IN FIGHTING BEFORE ISRAEL DROPS THE GROUND INVASION. >>> PLUS, THE FALLOUT AT HOME. COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY TRIES TO CRACKDOWN ON ANTIWAR PROTESTERS, ORDERING STUDENTS TO LEAVE THEIR ENCAMPMENT OR FACE IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION. >>> VOTERS TODAY OVER WHERE THERE THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT PRESIDENT BIDEN OR DONALD TRUMP. THE CAMPAIGN BATTLES OVER THE -- AND IN THE HEADLINES. >>> WELCOME TO MEET THE PRESS NOW. TODAY, WE BEGIN WITH AN EFFORT TO SECURE A CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT IN WASHINGTON. IT NARROWS AHEAD OF A TEMPORARY ISRAELI OFFENSIVE. TELLING NBC NEWS THEY ARE WAITING FOR RESPONSE FROM HAMAS. IT WOULD INCLUDE THE RELEASE OF HOSTAGES, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND -- THAT NUMBER IS DOWN FROM THE 40 HOSTAGES PROPOSED EARLIER THIS MONTH. AT THE TIME, HAMAS INDICATED THAT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE 40 HOSTAGES TO FIT THAT CRITERIA. SECRETARY OF STATE ANTHONY BLINKEN MET WITH LEADERS AND URGED HAMAS TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED DEAL. >> RIGHT NOW AS YOU SAID, HAMAS HAS A PROPOSAL THAT IS EXTRAORDINARY, EXTRAORDINARILY GENEROUS ON THE PART OF ISRAEL. AND IN THIS MOMENT, THE ONLY THING STANDING BETWEEN THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AND A CEASE-FIRE IS HAMAS. THEY HAVE TO DECIDE. AND THEY HAD TO DECIDE QUICKLY. >> THAT COMES AT THE PRESIDENT BIDEN SPOKE WITH ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, YESTERDAY. THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION IN MONTHS. AND PRESIDENT BIDEN ONCE AGAIN REITERATED HIS POSITION THAT ISRAEL NEEDS A PLAN TO PROTECT CIVILIAN BEFORE LAUNCHING AN OPERATION INTO RAFAH. MEANWHILE, ISRAELI LEADERS ARE GROWING INCREASINGLY WORRIED THAT IT MAY LEAD TO AN ARREST WARRANT FOR PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU AND -- TIED TO PAST ACTIONS IN THE REASONS. NEITHER OF THEM RECOGNIZE THE JURISDICTION FOR THE ICC, BUT IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE HIGH COURT. NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT RAF SANCHEZ WITH MORE. >> Reporter: THERE WAS A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY RIGHT NOW BY GETTING TO A CEASE-FIRE DEAL BEFORE THE START OF THE THREATENED DEFENSIVE IN THE CITY OF RAFAH. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE WOULD SEE THE RELEASE OF 33 HOSTAGES IN THE FIRST STAGE OF A DEAL IN EXCHANGE FOR A TEMPORARY CEASE-FIRE AND THE RELEASE OF PALESTINIAN PRISONERS. THOSE HOSTAGES WOULD BE FROM THE SO-CALLED HUMANITARIAN CATEGORY. WOMEN, CHILDREN, THE ELDERLY, PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITIONS. THE NUMBER 33 IS DOWN FROM THE PREVIOUS NUMBER OF 40 BECAUSE HAMAS HAS INDICATED IT MAY NOT HAVE 40 LIVING HOSTAGES WHO FIT THAT CRISIS. SPEAKING TO EGYPTIAN MEDIATORS AND TELLING ME AN ISRAELI TEAM MY HAVE HEADED TO THE EGYPTIAN CAPITOL -- SECRETARY BLINKEN IS IN SAUDI ARABIA. HE DESCRIBES THE OFFER AS INCREDIBLY GENEROUS, URGING THE MILITANT GROUP TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT. HAMAS OVER THE WEEKEND RELEASING ANOTHER HOSTAGE VIDEO, ONCE AGAIN SHOWING AN ISRAELI- AMERICAN HOSTAGE. KEITH SIEGEL, THE OLDEST AMERICAN HOSTAGE STILL IN CAPTIVITY. HAMAS IS FRAMING THIS AS A GESTURE OF GOODWILL, A SIGN THEY ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE. THEY SEEM AT THIS POINT INTERNALLY DIVIDED OVER THE PROSPECTS. SOME OF THE FAR RIGHT OF NETANYAHU'S WAR CABINET. SAYING THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW NEEDS TO BE BRINGING THE HOSTAGES HOME, AND THAT RAFAH CAN WAIT. OFFICIALS TELL NBC NEWS THAT THEY ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT AS EARLY AS THIS WEEK THEY MAY ISSUE AN ARREST WARRANT FOR PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU AND SENIOR ISRAELI MILITARY OFFICIALS. THEY ARE WAGING A DIPLOMATIC CAMPAIGN TO TRY TO HEAD OFF THOSE. IF THEY ARE, IT WOULD NOT LEAD TO THE IMMEDIATE ARREST, BUT IT COULD MAKE IT FOR -- DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO TRAVEL, AND IT WOULD PUT HIM IN THE UNWELCOME SHARED CATEGORY AS VLADIMIR PUTIN, WHO HAS HIS OWN ARREST WARRANT FOR ALLEGED WAR CRIMES IN UKRAINE. WE ASKED THE ICC ABOUT THIS CLAIM. THEY SAID THAT WHILE THEY DO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OPEN, THEY WON'T COMMENT ON POTENTIAL ARREST. BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. JOINING ME NOW -- ANDREA MITCHELL. ALSO WITH ME IS GABE GUTIERREZ. IN THIS MOMENT, HOW URGENT IS THE NEED TO GET THIS PROPOSAL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE? AND WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM LEADERS IN THE REGION? >> Reporter: BOTH THE U.S. AND ARAB OFFICIALS ARE TELLING US THEY THINK THIS IS CRITICAL. THAT IT IS EITHER NOW OR NEVER. I'VE TALKED WITH TOP DIPLOMAT TODAY. SHE THINKS IT WILL BE A WIDER WAR IF THEY DON'T DO THIS NOW. U.S. OFFICIALS FEEL AS URGENTLY. THAT IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN SO SORRY, MY PHONE WAS RINGING. BEING ON THE ROAD IS INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT THESE DAYS. APOLOGIES. WHAT U.S. OFFICIALS ARE HEARING IS THAT IF THIS DOES NOT GET AGREED TO, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT COME TOGETHER. THIS WILL WIDEN THE ISRAEL HAMAS WAR, AND THREATEN THE LIVES OF SURVIVING HOSTAGES. AND HOW MANY ARE STILL THERE? THEY THINK THAT IT COULD BE EVEN FEWER. THE EGYPTIAN -- PRESSING VERY, VERY HARD FOR THIS TO COME TOGETHER. THIS ALL COMES DOWN TO ONE MAN, THE LEADER OF HAMAS, THE MASTERMIND, THEY BELIEVE, TO THE MASSACRE. THE PRESSURE FROM EGYPT ON HAMAS. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET HAMAS TO AGREE TO THIS. IT IS NOT ISRAEL THAT IS HOLDING THIS OUT. IT IS ALL ON HAMAS. >> AND THERE IS ALSO A COURSE THE ISSUE OF -- HE SAYS THEY NEED TO DO MORE TO GET AID INTO GAZA. AT ONE POINT, THEY SAID THEY WERE OPENING A NEW BORDER CROSSING IN A NEWPORT OFF THE COAST OF ISRAEL. WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THAT FRONT? >> THE TRUMP'S -- THE TRUCKS GET IN. HOSTAGE RELEASE AND AID ALL DEPEND ON THE CEASE-FIRE. HE AND OTHER NONGOVERNMENT GROUPS HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT AID IS JUST DESPERATE. AND BLINKEN HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR THE AIDE TO GET IN. OFTEN AN ENTIRE TRUCKLOAD WILL BE BROUGHT BACK. I WAS TALKING TO OFFICIALS TODAY. THEY NEED TO TRY TO RESCUE PEOPLE. THEY NEED TO TRY TO CLEAN UP COME YOU KNOW, HORRIBLE CONDITIONS THE HEAT IS UNBEARABLE. BODIES ARE STILL LYING AROUND. THEY NEED ALL KINDS OF EQUIPMENT. >> IT IS A TOUGH, TOUGH SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED THERE. I ALSO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT. WITH THAT AT THE TOP THAT THIS IS NOT A SIGNATORY TO THE ICC. AND MAYBE OTHER PLACES LIKE EUROPE. CUT THIS CHANGE THE STANDING IN THE WORLD IF HE IS NOW THE SUBJECT OF AN ARREST WARRANT? IN FACT, THERE ARE REPORTS THAT NETANYAHU HAS ASKED PRESIDENT BIDEN ABOUT THIS. IT FURTHER ISOLATES. THE U.S. SAYS THAT IF IT IT IS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY. ISRAEL, ISRAELI OFFICIALS BELIEVE IT IS HAPPENING. MET WE ALWAYS ENTRUST YOUR MISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US. GABE, OF COURSE, PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRIME MINISTER -- AND NETANYAHU SPOKE ABOUT THE POSSIBLE GROUND OPERATION INTO RAFAH. WHAT MORE DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHERE THAT STANDS? AND DO WE KNOW IF ISRAEL MADE ANY NEW COMMITMENTS? >> Reporter: HI. ACCORDING TO THE READO THAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU, IT SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE CLEAR HIS VISION, DISCUSSING HIS CLEAR VISION FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN RAFAH. HE WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT THIS AFTERNOON. SHE SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT'S POSITION ON THIS REALLY HASN'T CHANGED. THE U.S. HAS BEEN SAYING THEY DO NOT SUPPORT AND THE MILITARY OPERATION UNLESS THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR PREVENTING CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. AS WE ARE SHOWN RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE NOT SHOWN THE U.S. THAT PLAN. PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU HAVE BEEN SPEAKING. WE ARE SO YESTERDAY HE MADE SOME NEW COMMITMENTS IN TERMS OF HUMANITARIAN AID. THEY WANT TO OPEN MORE IN THE AREA LATER THIS WEEK. >> AND WE TALK ABOUT THESE NEW COMMITMENTS IN GAZA, OF COURSE THE PRESIDENT IS FACING SO MUCH PRESSURE AT HOME. HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO ALL OF THAT? >> Reporter: WE ARE SEEING INCREASED PROTESTS IN CAMPUSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS WHEN THEY ARE ASKED ABOUT IT, THEY REALLY DON'T COMMENT DIRECTLY ON THEM, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT THOSE STUDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST. JEAN-PIERRE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO GUESSING ANY OF THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS. WE ARE ALSO TOLD BY OFFICIALS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THIS MORE BROADLY. IN THEIR VIEW, THEY THINK THIS IS -- MOVING FORWARD, THEY THINK OTHER ISSUES WILL DOMINATE THIS CAMPAIGN, SUCH AS THE ECONOMY. THEY BELIEVE THIS ISN'T A TOP ISSUES -- FOR THE YOUNGER VOTERS DOWN THE LINE. >> I ALSO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT HAMAS RELEASING MORE HOSTAGE VIDEOS. INCLUDING TWO ISRAELI-AMERICAN HOSTAGES WITHIN THE LAST WEEK. WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT THESE VIDEOS? >> Reporter: JAKE SULLIVAN WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL DAYS AGO AND ONE OF THOSE VIDEOS WAS COMING OUT. AND THE WHITE HOUSE'S VIEW, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR PROOF OF THESE HOSTAGES TO THE BEGINNING. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIVATION IS FOR WHY THEY MIGHT BE RELEASING THESE VIDEOS. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY REALLY VIEW THIS NARROW WINDOW OF TIME, BEFORE THE MILITARY OPERATION IN RAFAH, THEY VIEW THIS AS THE CHANCE FOR A DEAL. SECRETARY OF STATE BLINKEN AND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS BEEN SAY NOW IS THE TIME. >> IT IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF URGENCY THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, GABE, FROM THE WHE HOUSE. LET ME NOW BRING IN AMBASSADOR -- AND THE NBC NEWS FOR AN AFFAIR ANALYST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. >> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. >> SECRETARY OF STATE ANTHONY BLINKEN, HOW OFTEN THAT THESE TALKS WILL TRULY GAIN STEAM HERE? AND THAT IT CAN ACTUALLY LEAD TO A DEAL? >> I DON'T WANT TO SAY I'M OPTIMISTIC. I'M HOPEFUL, BUT NOT OPTIMISTIC. HAMAS IS RELEASING THESE VIDEOS TO SHOW -- LIST TO SHOW PROOF OF LIFE, BUT MORE TO MANIPULATE THE EMOTIONS, BUILDING PRESSURE ON ISRAEL TO CONCEDE TO EVERYTHING THAT HAMAS IS ASKING. THE REAL ISSUE, WILL THERE BE SUFFICIENT PRESSURE ON HAMAS FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION? REALLY THE LEADER OF HAMAS IN GAZA. HE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE TUNNEL. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THE DECISION TO RELEASE HOSTAGES MUCH MORE THAN THE POLITICAL DECISION. HAVING SAID ALL THAT, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE ACTUALLY PREPARING THE GROUND TO DO SOMETHING IN RAFAH. MAYBE THAT IS INCREASING THE PRESSURE. THE KEY HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AT WHAT POINT WOULD HE DECIDE? BECAUSE THE NEWS IS TIGHTENING SO MUCH AROUND HIM THAT HE MAKES THE DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES RIGHT NOW ARE SUCH THAT HE IS FEELING MORE PRESSURE. IF THAT'S TRUE, THE ODDS GO UP. BUT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE LOTS OF OPTIMISM. THEY DON'T GET TRANSLATED INTO REALITY. SOON! YOU SAY HOPEFUL, BUT NOT OPTIMISTIC. JUST MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE WORKING AGAINST THE CLOCK REALLY TO GET THIS DEAL DONE. EVEN AS THEY DOUBT THEY ARE READY FOR SUCH AN INVASION, GIVEN THAT REPORTING, COULD THIS BE THE LAST CHANCE TO BRING HOSTAGES HOME? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT ANDREA JUST SAID THIS FEELS LIKE NOW OR NEVER. >> I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT'S THE CASE. THE REASON, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. MAYBE THE ISRAELI WILL GO INTO THE TUNNEL THERE. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT BASICALLY, HE IS HOLDING THE HOSTAGES. HE SEES THEM AS A CARD. ASSUMING IT GETS TO THAT. HE WILL STILL LIKELY BE HOLDING HOSTAGES. HE WILL STILL TRY TO TRADE THEM AWAY FOR SOMETHING. SO I'M NOT SURE IT IS NOW OR NEVER. BUT IT IS CLEARLY A MOMENT WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT ON THE PART OF THE EGYPTIANS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE DIFFERENT KINDS OF PRESSURE ON HAMAS. THE PROSPECT OF AN ISRAELI MOVING TO RAFAH GIVES THEM A REASON. THAT COULD BE AN ELEMENT. I'M NOT SURE. AS LONG AS HE HAS THE CARDS TO PLAY, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN HE WILL PLAY THEM. >> YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN IS FACING. BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ANGRY AT HIM. WHAT HE THINK THE PRESSURE COULD BE IF HE DOESN'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THESE HOSTAGES HOME? >> I THINK YOU PUT YOUR FINGER ON SOMETHING THAT IS INCREASINGLY SIGNIFICANT. HAMAS, WHEN THEY RELEASE THESE VIDEOS, IT DOES INCREASE PRESSURE WITHIN ISRAEL. YOU ARE TALKING LITERALLY 204 DAYS INTO THIS. THE HOSTAGE FAMILY WHOSE LIFE HAS BEEN FROZEN SINCE LAST OCTOBER 7, WHAT THEY ARE FEELING, WHAT MANY IN ISRAEL ARE FEELING, IF YOU DON'T GET THE HOSTAGES BACK, WHATEVER YOU CLAIM ABOUT YOUR SUCCESSES, THEY WILL RING VERY HOLLOW. SO I DO THINK THE READINESS OF THEM TO BECOME EVEN MORE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF SOME OF WHAT THEY MIGHT OFFER. THAT IS CLEARLY SOMETHING THAT SUGGESTS A MOVE ON THE ISRAELI SIDE. THERE HAS BEEN CRITICISM FROM WITHIN. THE NEGOTIATORS, THE MANDATE THAT THEY HAVE. THAT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, EVEN A WEEK AGO. I THINK WE ARE SEEING THE CHANGE. >> I ALSO WANT TO ASK, YOU TALK ABOUT THE PRESSURES THAT NETANYAHU IS FEELING. IF ISRAEL DOES GO INTO RAFAH, WHICH WE SHOULD NOTE, IT IS THE MOST SOUTHERN POINT NOW. IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BRING THIS WAR CLOSER TO A CONCLUSION CLICK AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? WHERE DOES ISRAEL GO FROM HERE? >> AGAIN, THIS IS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT POINT TO BE FOCUSED ON. A LOT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY ULTIMATELY DEFINE WHAT THEIR OBJECTIVE IS. IT SHOULD BE THE -- THEY WOULD NOT ELIMINATE HAMAS ANY MORE THAN WE COULD ISOLATE ICES. ENSURING THAT THERE COULD NEVER BE A RE-MILITARIZATION OF GAZA. THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT. THE REASON I RAISE THIS IN CONTEXT OF THE QUESTION, THIS IS WHERE THE LAST FOUR BATTALIONS EXIST. AND BY THE WAY, I STILL THINK THIS IS 4-6 WEEKS AWAY. THAT IS HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO EVACUATE TO PLACES WHERE THEY CAN BE ABSORBED IN TERMS OF SHELTER, FOOD, MEDICINE. IT WILL STILL TAKE TIME TO GET THERE. BUT LET'S SAY IN THE END, WE DON'T GET A HOSTAGE DEAL. AND THEN LET'S SAY IN SIX WEEKS, THE ISRAELI GO IN. THEY DISMANTLE THE LAST FOUR BATTALIONS. THEY ARE IN A POSITION TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE ACHIEVED WHAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE. THAT COULD LEAD TO THE END OF THIS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, AMBASSADOR >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >>> COMING OUT, CRACKING DOWN ON COLLEGE CAMPUS PROTESTS. WE ARE LIVE AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. THE DEADLINE TO DISBAND THEIR ENCAMPMENT. PLUS, THE LATEST FROM CAPITOL HILL. COMBATING ANTI-SEMITISM ON CAMPUS AND ACROSS AMERICA. PLAY. TOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS, STREAMING WEEKNIGHTS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK. YOU ARE LOOKING GET IMAGES OUT OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY WHERE PRO-PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT MOVING AT THE DEFINED A DEADLINE TO CLEAR OUT THEIR ENCAMPMENT OR RISK EXPANSION. THAT IS ONE OF THE KEY PROTESTERS KEY DEMANDS. MEANWHILE, OFFICIALS SAY POLICE ARRESTED PROTESTERS AND DISMANTLED THE ENCAMPMENT. THE PRESIDENT IS FACING CRITICISM FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE OVER THE ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR. JUST 28% OF AMERICANS APPROVE OF THE HANDLING OF THE WAR, INCLUDING LESS THAN HALF OF DEMOCRATS. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS ALSO FACING PRESSURE OVER ITS RESPONSE TO THE PROTESTS SWEEPING ACROSS THE ENCAMPMENTS. THEY ARE ACCUSED OF NOT DOING ENOUGH TO RESPOND TO ANTI- SEMITIC INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. THIS WEEKEND, SPEAKING WITH MY COLLEAGUE KRISTEN WELKER -- PLAYING OUT AT COLLEGES. >> THIS IS A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST AND MAKE THEIR VIEWS KNOWN. AN OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE DO THAT PEACEFULLY. BUT THERE ARE THOSE THAT INTIMIDATE AND HARASS OTHERS. THOSE THAT SPEAK IN HATE SPEECH, OR ANTI-SEMITISM. LETTING THEM DO WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO, AND ALSO TRYING TO CURVE UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR IS TOUGH. I WOULD HOPE THAT HE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION MIGHT DO THAT. >> NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT ANTONIA HILTON JOINS ME NOW. ANTONIA, THIS DEADLINE CAME AND WENT, THE ENCAMPMENT IS STILL THERE. SO WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE GROUND ON WHAT IS GOING ON THERE WITH THE STUDENTS? >> Reporter: YOU ARE RIGHT, THE ENCAMPMENT IS DEFINITELY STILL HERE. THIS IS ALMOST AS THOUGH THIS 2:00 P.M. DEADLINE HAS NEVER EXISTED. OF THEM WERE THINKING THAT AT MINIMUM, SOMEONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD COME AT 2:00 TO SAY SOMETHING, THE NYPD, OR CAMPUS POLICE WOULD ENTER IT APPEARS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ALLOWED THEIR OWN DEADLINE TO ESSENTIALLY EXPIRE. STUDENTS WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE. IT SAYS NOTICE TO ENCAMPMENT. THEY HANDED IT OUT TO EVERYONE OF YOU TODAY, ASKING THEM TO SIGN THEIR NAME HERE, IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET OUT OF SUSPENSION. WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING, HUNDREDS, IF NOT MAYBE OVER 1000 DOING NOTHING WITH THE CANON HAVE BEEN HERE RALLYING TO SHOW THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY ARE ON THEIR CLASSMATES' SIDE. THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY PART OF THE PROCESS. EVERYONE IS WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL DO. THEY'VE BEEN SILENT FOR HOURS NOW. >> WE CONTINUE TO WATCH WHAT HAPPENS HERE. THE UNIVERSITY SAYS IT WON'T -- FROM ISRAEL. HOW ARE THE PROTESTERS REACTING TO THAT STATEMENT? AND IS THERE A SENSE OF WHAT THEY MIGHT DO NEXT? >> Reporter: THE STUDENT ORGANIZERS TOLD ME THAT AT ONE POINT THEY WEREN'T -- IN THEIR VIEW . THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO SO, OR ANY BUSINESSES OPERATING THERE. WHAT THEY SAY, THIS IS REALLY INCREASED THEIR RESOLVE. FROM MASSACHUSETTS TO INDIANA, TO TENNESSEE, CALIFORNIA. THERE ARE DOZENS OF THEM. IT SENT THEM A SIGNAL THAT THEY HAVE STARTED SOMETHING. IT MAKES THEM FEEL AS WHAT THEY CAN'T DO, THEY CAN'T BACK DOWN. THE ADMINISTRATION WANTED THEM TO SHUT DOWN THESE CAMPS AND GET OUT OF HERE. WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS SEPARATE THEMSELVES INTO TWO GROUPS. STUDENTS WHO SAY THEY'RE WILLING TO RISK ARREST, EXPULSION. WE EVEN HAVE FACULTY MEMBERS THAT SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO RISK ARREST. THEY PLAN TO BARRICADE THEIR STUDENTS IF IT COMES TO THAT. THERE ARE SOME WHO SAY THEY ARE PLANNING TO LEAVE THE IN CAMERA TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GRADUATE AND THEY CAN'T RISK ANY OF THESE CONSEQUENCES. MAKING YOU JUST MENTIONED CALIFORNIA AS A PLACE WHERE THIS JUST BREAD. WHAT IS COLUMBIA SAYING ABOUT THEIR COMMENCEMENT PLAN IN TWO WEEKS? ESPECIALLY AMID ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY SAFETY CONCERNS? >> Reporter: WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THEY ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH COMMENCEMENT AS PLANNED JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWAY. HER HOPE IS THAT THIS WOULD ALL BE CLEARED OUT. EVERYTHING YOU SEE BEHIND ME AS PART OF THE CEREMONY. SHE MENTIONED IN HER NOTES THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO HER. IN 2020, THEY MISSED OUT ON THEIR OWN GRADUATION. IT WASN'T THE TYPICAL FEELING AND CELEBRATION THAT MANY OF US GET TO REMEMBER. SHE SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HER IN THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT FAMILIES COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD -- SOME OF THE STUDENTS I SPOKE TO SAY THAT THAT IS A RISK THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE. >> ANTONIA, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING GREAT REPORTING OUT THERE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >>> TURNING TO CAPITOL HILL, THE HOUSE IS BACK AND IT IS SET TO VOTE ON AN ANTI-SEMITISM BILL. IT COMES AFTER THE HOUSE SPEAKER SPOKE FROM THE CAMPUS LAST WEEK, THREATENING FEDERAL FUNDING FOR COLLEGES. THE PROCESS ALSO COMES AS SPEAKER JOHNSON IS LOOKING FOR UNITING HIS REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE. JOINING ME NOW FROM CAPITOL HILL . OF COURSE, YOU JUST LAID IT OUT, YOU HAVE THE NEW YORK REPUBLICAN WHO HAS INTRODUCED THE BIPARTISAN BILL TO COMBAT ANTI-SEMITISM ON CAMPUS. HOW LIKELY IS THAT? AND WHEN YOU ARE HEARING FROM LAWMAKERS WHO OPPOSE THAT, WHAT DO THEY SAY? >> Reporter: ESPECIALLY IF THEY UNIFY. THEY DON'T USE TOO MANY OF THOSE. THIS BILL HAS THE COSPONSORSHIP OF A NUMBER OF MODERATE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE ON THE PRO ISRAEL SIDE. SPECIFICALLY, IT WOULD REVISE THE DEFINITION OF ANTI-SEMITISM USED TO ENFORCE ANTIDISCRIMINATION LAWS. THAT IT WOULD ADOPT REASSEMBLING THE -- IT WOULD FORBID THINGS LIKE STEREOTYPES ABOUT JEWISH PEOPLE CONTROLLING THE GOVERNMENT. ALSO, TO THE . THERE ARE COUPLE OF REASONS THERE ARE DIVISIONS HERE. LAWMAKERS HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS IN TERMS OF WHERE TO DRAW THE LINE. THROUGHOUT INTIMIDATION AND RACISM ON THE OTHER HAND. IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE. PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE IN GOOD FAITH ON THIS ISSUE. THERE IS ALSO THE QUESTION OF HOW TO COMBAT THE ANTI-SEMITISM. CALLING ON SPEAKER OHNSON TO PUT A DIFFERENT BILL TO THE FLOOR THAT WOULD ESTABLISH A COORDINATOR, DOING THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO ANTI- SEMITISM. SO YEAH, DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS. >> AS YOU TALK ABOUT HOW SPEAKER Mc JOHNSON -- MIKE JOHNSON TRYING TO KEEP THEM IN LINE. SOME CALL MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE A BLUFF, SAYING IT ONE POINT THAT HIS DAYS WERE NUMBERED, THAT SHE WILL KEEP PUSHING FORWARD WITH THAT MOTION TO VACATE. MY GUESS. THIS WHOLE THING WAS STARTED BY MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE. SHE HAS BEEN DANGLING THE THREAT OVER HIS HEAD FOR WEEKS NOW. SHE DESCRIBED AID TO UKRAINE AS A REDLINE. MY JOHNSON CALLED HER BLUFF, PUT IT ON THE FLOOR, AND IT DID PASS. IT SPLIT REPUBLICANS ABOUT HALF AND HALF. AND SHE STILL HAS NOT CALLED THE MOTION TO VACATE, BUT SHE IS STILL LOBBING GRENADES HIS WAY. LET'S SHOW HER RECENT TWEET WHERE SHE CALLS HIM A BETRAYED REPUBLICANS -- REPUBLICAN SO BADLY. SHE ACCUSES HIM OF BOWING TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, GIVING HIM EVERYTHING HE WANTED. AND SHE ADDS, PEOPLE ARE SAYING THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JOHNSON AND PELOSI, SAYING HOW FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, NANCY PELOSI THE DEMOCRAT. WHEN SHE PLANS TO DO THIS REMAINS A MYSTERY. SHE HAS NOT SAID. SHE ONLY HAS TWO REPUBLICANS ON THE RECORD THING RIGHT NOW THAT THEY WILL VOTE WITH HER. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW AND LAST TIME THEY DID THIS, A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS THAT THEY WILL VOTE DOWN THE MOTION TO VACATE, ESSENTIALLY RESCUING MY JOHNSON BECAUSE HE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THAT. BECAUSE HE PUT UKRAINE ON THE FLOOR. I THINK HE'S WON SOME GOODWILL WITH AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF DEMOCRATS. AND WAS SHE DOESN'T WANT IS TO CALL THIS ON THE FLOOR AND FACE A HUMILIATING DEFEAT WHEN THE MARGINS ARE ALREADY SO TINY WITH REPUBLICANS. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORTING FROM CAPITOL HILL. STORMY UP NEXT, YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE SAYING SAYING YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT. BUT WE'VE SEEN NEW POLLS SAYING YOU ARE WHAT YOU WATCH AND WHAT YOU READ. YOU ARE WATCHING MEET THE PRESS NOW. BECAUSE EVERY DAY ENSURES THE BEST START. >> WELCOME BACK. TURNING NOW TO PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS. WE GOT NEW NUMBERS FROM OUR NBC NEWS POLL ABOUT HOW VOTERS WILL VOTE. AND WHERE THEY ARE GETTING THEIR NEW NUMBERS FROM. DONALD TRUMP IS THE CLEAR-CUT CHOICE AMONG VOTERS WHO DO NOT FOLLOW POLITICAL NEWS. PRESIDENT BIDEN DOES JUST ABOUT -- FROM THOSE WHO GET THEIR NEWS FROM NEWS PAPERS. EACH CAMPAIGNS STRATEGY TO KEEP OUT THE VOTING BOX. JOIN ME NOW, A SENIOR POLITIC REPORTER AT -- AND FORMER BIDEN STAFFER. AND REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST. I WILL START WITH YOU. LOOKING AT THESE NEWS CONSUMPTION NUMBERS, I WONDER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THINK, OKAY, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE AREN'T FOLLOWING THE NEWS, THE TRUMP TRIALS, ALL THE STUFF, THEY STILL LIKE DONALD TRUMP. >> I THINK IS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN. WE KNOW THAT HOSE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO YET. THEY ARE COMPLETELY FOR BIDEN. THEY ARE STILL OPPOSED TO TRON. WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT THOSE WHO AREN'T FAITHFULLY PAYING ATTENTION HAVE NOT BEEN REMINDED OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE TRUMP RESIDENCY THAT HAVE TURNED SO MANY AWAY FROM HIM. IN THAT REGARD, I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE SEEING OUT THERE AND WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. >> WE OFTEN HEAR THE PHRASE NO INFORMATION VOTERS. THEY WILL LIKELY SHOW UP IN A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR. NOT A SURPRISE THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE STRUGGLED. I THINK THAT IT CERTAINLY TO SOME EXTENT WHAT WE WILL SEE COMING UP. NEWS CONSUMPTION, A LOT OF THAT IS REAL HATE CONSUMPTION TO DONALD TRUMP. THE MORE YOU DISLIKE DONALD TRUMP, THE MORE YOU ARE WATCHING THE TRIAL. THE MORE YOU ARE READING PIECES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. THAT IS COMING HERE, AS WELL. >> AND I THINK THE MORE PROTECTIVE YOU ARE, THE LESS LIKELY YOU ARE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS TRIAL, BECAUSE YOU COULD BE REMINDED OF ALL THE ISSUES PEOPLE POINT OUT ABOUT HIM. >> THIS IS INTERESTING, YOU HAVE THESE NO NEWS CONSUMERS IN A POLL WHO SAY THEY ARE REGISTERED VOTERS, THOSE WHO DIDN'T VOTE IN 2020 OR 2022. DONALD TRUMP I HAVE A CHALLENGE ACTUALLY TURNING THEM OUT. WOULD YOU MAKE OF THAT? SUBMIT THE QUESTION WHETHER THEY ARE REGISTERED VOTERS ARE LIKE VOTERS. THIS IS A PART OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP'S CHALLENGE IS TO REPLICATE EXACTLY WHAT HE DID IN 26 TEAM. HE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME. HE NEEDS THEM NOW, FOUR YEARS, OR EIGHT YEARS LATER. MENTORS JUMP IN HERE WHEN YOU ARE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW POLLS THAT ARE OUT. SOME OF THEM ARE SHOWING TIDE, CLOSE, SOME ARE EVEN SHOWING PRESIDENT BIDEN DOWN. WE CAN'T LIVE AND DIE BY THE POLLS. I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK BACK TO THE RESULTS FROM PENNSYLVANIA. OVER 100,000 PEOPLE TURNED OUT FOR HALEY. PEOPLE ARE STILL VOTING FOR HER, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP. IN A HEAD-TO-HEAD POLL, THEY ARE SHOWING HE IS AHEAD RIGHT NOW AND APRIL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL SHOW IN NOVEMBER. MET THE PEOPLE AROUND PRESIDENT BIDEN, MAYBE EVEN THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF. CBS NEWS, THE POLL SHOWING SPECIFIC STATES. IS THAT JUST SORT OF WHERE THEY THINK ABOUT THIS? >> I THINK GOING BACK TO THE CAMPAIGNS, YOU DON'T LIVE AND DIED BY THE POLL. I DO THINK THEY LOOK AT THEM AND TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, WHO THEY NEED TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT IS VERY UPSET ABOUT THE POLLS IN IT. MET WITH THE HALEY VOTERS, I WAS THE RESOLVE THE DAY THEY FINALLY SAT DOWN, IT IS REALLY PAST TIME FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND CHIRP HIMSELF TO TRY TO REACH OUT TO NIKKI HALEY TO WIN HER OVER AND WIN OVER SOME OF HER VOTERS. I WAS AT HER RALLY. HE'S GOT TO WORK TO DO IT. IT WILL PROBABLY BE A WHILE BEFORE HE REACHES OUT TO HALEY. >> IT SEEMS HARD THAT HALEY WOULD COME OVER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE RHETORIC. BUT HEY, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS. IS THERE ANY SORT OF CHANCE HERE WE CAN CONVINCE BOTH SIDES OF HOW THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THAT ANGRY AT HIM. THEY ARE JUST BASICALLY HOPING THAT THE WAR MIGHT END. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HIS STRATEGY GOING FORWARD. IT IS NOT TO YOUR POINT IS YOUNG PEOPLE ANYMORE OR PROGRESSIVES. I THINK IN GENERAL, A LOT ARE LOOKING AT THIS CONFLICT AND JUST ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS DOING. HE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY BEYOND THIS, THAT HE IS THE BEST PERSON TO HANDLE IT. I DON'T THINK WE SEE POLLING THAT THIS IS A TOP ISSUE FOR VOTERS. I THINK THIS SURPRISES A LOT OF PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH. EVEN YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WE GENERALLY THINK ARE REALLY UPSET. IT STILL RANKS LOWER THAN THE ECONOMY FOR A LOT OF THEM. >> EVEN IF IT IS NOT A TOP ISSUE, IN PLACE WERE YOU JUST HAVE A SLIVER SOMETIMES OF WHAT YOU NEED TO MAYBE PUT YOU OVER THE EDGE. IS THAT AN ISSUE FOR HER? I ALSO THINK IT IS MORE THAN JUST A POLITICAL ISSUE HERE. THEY NEED TO HAVE A CEASE-FIRE. WE ALSO NEED TO GET MORE AID INTO GAZA. HE IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE AS A LEADER IN THE WORLD. THIS IS NOT A TOP ISSUE FOR THEM. I DON'T EVEN THINK IT IS A TOP FIVE FOR A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE. THE ECONOMY, ABORTION IS MUCH HIGHER ON THEIR LIST. I THINK THOSE WILL BE VOTERS THAT WILL TURN FOR TRUMP OR BIDEN. IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD NECESSARILY IMPACT THE ELECTION. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU HAVE HOUSE SPEAKER MY SHOT -- MIKE JOHNSTON. SO YOU WONDER, COULD THIS BE AN ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS? EVEN THOUGH IN SOME WAYS, THESE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE PROTESTING PRESIDENT BIDEN? SUBMIT IT WAS AN ISSUE AFTER PASSING THE ISRAEL AND UKRAINE FUNDING BILL. WHEN THE HOUSE CONVENES TOMORROW, THEY HAD TO SHOW THAT VIDEO. MORE BROADLY, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW YET HOW THIS WILL PLAY WITH THE ELECTORATE. I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE, THEY SORT OF HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS. IN ANY OF THE SIX OR SEVEN STATES THAT ARE MOST CONTESTED, THEY ARE A REAL PROBLEM FOR THEM. YOU LOSE WITH ANY OF THOSE, YOU ARE UNDERWATER QUICKLY. >> WE TALKED ABOUT TRUMP AND DESANTIS GETTING BACK TOGETHER, OR GETTING TOGETHER IN THE FIRST PLACE. HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK THAT IS FOR THEM TO START CONSOLIDATING? >> IT IS IMPORTANT FOR TRUMP WHO NEEDS THE MONEY, RIGHT CLICK ONE OF THAT -- ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT MEETING, THE 10th THIS HAS A LOT OF DONORS. DESPITE BENDING -- BRANDING HIMSELF, HE IS RUNNING INTO SOME CHALLENGES. WHETHER OR NOT HE CAN GET IT OVER THE FINISH LINE COULD BE DEPENDED ARE NOT WHETHER HE OPENS THOSE WHO DID SO FOR HIM TO TRUMP. >> FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO COME IN EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE NIKKI HALEY VOTERS, MAKING ANY KIND OF AND ROADS THERE? SUBMIT WITH THE ABORTION ISSUES, HE IS MAKING MASSIVE AND ROADS. I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE WORK DONE. BUT YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. NEVER SAY NEVER. >> THEY EXIST, BUT THERE AREN'T MANY OF THEM. I GUESS THE THING ON MY MIND, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, DO YOU THINK DONALD TRUMP WILL PIVOT AT ALL AFTER THIS MEETING? DO YOU THINK YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT HOW TO CAPTURE THOSE VOTERS? >> IF WE HAVE LEARNED ANYTHING, DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT PIVOT. HE PLOWS FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. AFTER THE BREAK, MY INTERVIEW WITH AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE LOOKING TO PULL OFF A MAJOR UPSET IN NOVEMBER. YOU ARE WATCHING M APP MAC NOW. >>> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK. RECENTLY I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH DAN OSBORNE. HE IS RUNNING FOR SENATE IN NEBRASKA CHALLENGING -- FISHER IN THE DEEP RED STATE. OSBORNE, A UNION LEADER WHO HELPED TO LEAD A STRIKE AGAINST KELLOGG IN 2021 IS HOPING TO CONSOLIDATE ANTIREPUBLICAN VOTERS. TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS HE HAS A SHOT AT BEATING SENATOR FISHER. >> I THINK EOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED WITH POLITICS RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THE SENATE IS A MILLIONAIRES CLUB, A COUNTRY CLUB. THERE IS NO BY LIKE ME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, SOMEBODY WHO WORKS WITH THEIR HANDS FOR A LIVING. I THINK THAT IS THE WAY OUR FINDING -- FOUNDING FATHERS SET UP. >> AND YOU LET A STRIKE AGAINST KELLOGG. HOW DOES THAT INSPIRE YOU TO MAKE THIS RUN? >> IT INSPIRED ME BECAUSE I GOT TO HELP THE WORKING PEOPLE. I GOT TO HELP SAVE WORKERS NATIONWIDE. AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO DO, CONTINUE HELPING WORKERS. >> AND YOU SAY YOU WANT TO HELP WORKERS, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DECISION TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT? >> SURE. IT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT I JUST SAID AS FAR AS THE COUNTRY CLUB POLITICIAN. FLA BOTH SIDES ARE CATERING TO THE EXTREMES RIGHT NOW. TALKING WITH NEBRASKANS, PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED BY THAT. >> IT IS STRIKING THAT TO SAY BOTH PARTIES ARE CATERING TO THE EXTREMES. THE NEBRASKA DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOESN'T HAVE A CANDIDATE. IT IS LARGELY EXPECTED THAT THEY MIGHT ENDORSE YOU. WOULD YOU WELCOME AN ENDORSEMENT? >> I WANTED AN ENDORSEMENT FROM EVERYBODY. I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE LIBERTARIANS AT THEIR CONVENTION. I HAVE SEVEN GOP COUNTY MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT I WILL BE ATTENDING. I GOT REPUBLICANS ON MY CAMPAIGNS, DEMOCRATS, LIBERTARIANS, THEY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO FORM A COALITION LIKE NEBRASKA HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE. >> WHY WOULD YOU WANT DEMOCRATS ENDORSING YOU IF THEY ARE POSSIBLY PART OF THE PROBLEM? >> I WOULD WANT EVERYBODY ENDORSING ME. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'M TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. KIND OF LIKE THE SAME THING I DID ON STRIKE. I WAS ABLE TO TURN THAT INTO A NONPARTISAN ISSUE, GET REPUBLICANS OUT TO THE PICKET LINE. BECAUSE THE WAY I SEE THE WORLD, I JUST SEE WORKING PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST TRYING TO HAVE SOME PEACE AND GET THROUGH LIFE. SMITH ALSO OF COURSE, HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT TO YOU AS YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR CAMPAIGN? >> IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. TO ENDORSE MY CANDIDACY, IT'S IMPORTANT. WHAT BEING IN A MEETING -- UNION HAS MEANT TO ME. I CAN'T SPEAK ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. BUT TO ME, EARNING A LIVABLE WAGE, GOOD HEALTHCARE, GOOD CHRISTMAS IS FOR MY KIDS. AND TO BE A HOMEOWNER. THAT'S ABOUT IT. SOUNDS LIKE THE AMERICAN DREAM, RIGHT? >> I'VE BEEN TALKING TO UNION WORKERS WHO ECHO SOME OF THE SAME LANGUAGE. JUST HAVING ACCESS TO THE AMERICAN DREAM. I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SOME THAT WANT A CANDIDATE THAT IS A PRO WORKER, NOT JUST A PRO UNION. WOULD YOU MAKE OF THE DISTINCTION THAT THEY ARE MAKING? >> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I DON'T THINK EVERY WORKFORCE HAS TO BE UNIONIZED AT ALL. BUT I THINK ALL WORKERS SHOULD HAVE A FEAR SHAKE. UNIONS HELP THAT, BUT THEY ALSO HELP NONUNION, AS WELL BY RAISING WAGES. SUBMIT ARE YOU PRO UNION, PRO WORKER QUICK BOTH? AND WHAT IS THE DISTINCTION? I DON'T THINK THERE IS A DISTINCTION. THE UNION IS JUST CONTRACTED LABOR. BUT YEAH, GUYS THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING 50, 60, 70 HOURS A WEEK LIKE I'VE ALWAYS DONE. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I WANT TO REPRESENT, GIVE THEM A VOICE. >> THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING THING. THERE IS REALLY THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND UNION LEADERS. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD WHO TO VOTE FOR. THEY THINK SOMETIMES THAT THEIR LEADER IS MORE INTERESTED -- WOULD YOU MAKE OF THAT DISTINCTION? REALLY THAT RIFT THAT WE SEE SOMETIMES? >> WELL, 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE UNION AT KELLOGG'S, I HAD ONE OF THE OLD GUYS COME UP TO ME, HE SAID, KID, I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU NEED TO VOTE YOUR PAYCHECK. THAT IS WHY TELL PEOPLE. IF THEY ARE FOCUSED ON WEDGE ISSUES, WHATEVER IT IS. I TELL HIM AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU NEED TO VOTE YOUR PAYCHECK. >> LASTLY, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT VOTERS TO KNOW ABOUT YOU AS A THINK ABOUT DEB FISCHER, AND WON BY A LARGE MARGIN, WHY SHOULD THEY BE PICKING YOU OVER HER? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I SERVED MY COUNTRY IN THE NAVY, THE NEBRASKA NATIONAL GUARD. BUT WHAT YOU WILL GET FROM ME VERSUS A DEB FISCHER, YOU WILL GET SOMEONE WHO WILL VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE, DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR PEOPLE AND NOT VOTE ON WHO IS GIVING YOU THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, DAN OSBORNE, FOR COMING ON. >>> STILL TO COME, A NEW U.S. INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT ON THE DEATH OF TOP PUTIN CRITIN NOT SG ANYMORE. >> LET'S BREAK DOWN WHAT WE KNOW. >> YOU GOT TO SEE THERE. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NEWS IS NBC NOWS NOW. >> . >>> THE RARE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT COMES AS THEY AWAIT FROM THE U.S. THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCY SAID THAT PUTIN DID NOT DIRECTLY ORDER THE KILLING OF NAVALNY. NBC GLOBAL SECURITY REPORT NOW, DAN, HOW DID THEY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT PUTIN DID NOT DIRECTLY ORDER THE KILLING OF NAVALNY. >> I DON'T THINK THEY WILL NOT TELL US EVERYTHING, IT WAS BASED ON ALL OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND IT WAS OPEN SOURCE REPORTING. IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THEY ARE NOT ABSOLVING HIM OF RESPONSIBILITY. THE ADMINISTRATION STILL BELIEVES HE IS RESPONSIBLE. HE IMPOSED THE DEATH SENTENCE BY SENDING NAVALNY TO THE BRUTAL PRISON IN THE ARCTIC. IN A SENSE IT DEEPENS THE MYSTERY, RAISES MORE QUESTIONS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WERE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF NAVALNY'S DEATH. HOW DID HE DIE? WE STILL DO NOT KNOW. THAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF PUTIN DID AS PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID. THE UKRAINIAN FORCES HAVE RETREATED TO THE EAST. IS THERE A TIDE TURNING IN THE WAR HERE? >> IT IS NOT GOOD NEWS FOR UKRAINE. IT UNDER SCORES THE PRESSURE THEY ARE UNDER. THAT THE U.S. OFFICIALS AND ANALYSTS ARE SAYING IT IS NOT A CATASTROPHE TURNING POINT YET. IT REALLY UNDER SCORES HOW MUCH THEY NEED THAT AMMUNITION AND THOSE WEAPON THEY WERE ASKING AND WAITING FOR MONTHS FINALLY APPROVED. I THINK THEY ARE FACING A UPHILL STRUGGLE RIGHT NOW. RUSSIA IS ABLE TO GET MORE MANPOWER THAN UKRAINE. THE QUESTION IS, CAN THEY BEAT BACK THE RUSSIANS AND HOLD THE LINE. >> DO WE KNOW WHEN THE AID WILL MAKE IT TO THE FRONTLINES? >> I THINK ANY DAY OF IT, SOME OF IT WILL COME, NOT SOON ENOUGH. YOU HEAR THE APPEALS FROM PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY AND HIS AIDS BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME WILL TAKE TIME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, TO GAIN TRACTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A HOLE RIGHT NOW AND THEY HAVE TO CLIMB OUT OF IT. >> THAT IS THE SITUATION. OF COURSE, WE WILL KEEP FOLLOWING IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAN. WE ARE BACK
