MeatEater’s Steve Rinella - Danger Close with Jack Carr

hey everyone just wanted to let you know that if you like danger close be sure to follow at this is Ironclad on Instagram YouTube and all major platforms they're the team that produces danger close and all of the trailers for the terminalist novels they also produce and distribute more great content like change agents with Andy Stumpf which I executive produce oil and whiskey with Roadster shop which features guests including Joe Rogan Jesse James and others and the behind the scene filmmaking series Into The Fray and a bunch more into The Fray recently broke down the making of the trailer for my latest novel Only The Dead starring my friend and teammate Dom rasso as James Reese remember that's at this is Ironclad on YouTube and Instagram this is the danger close podcast beyond the books with me Jack Carr [Music] foreign podcast in Ironclad original presented by Navy Federal Credit Union first off I want to thank everyone who made my latest novel Only The Dead number one on the New York Times bestsellers list in hardcover ebook combined and audio it is sincerely appreciated more than I can possibly express my guest today Steve vernella you know him from the meat eater TV show the meat eater podcast from his dozens of Articles and books he has a new one out right here catch a crayfish count the Stars focused on kids and now without further Ado here's Steve vernella you gotta just embrace the interruptions at home because I know like those kids right there I was at my office all day and I want to back over to this neck of the woods I need to be here but here I am yelling at people to shut up no it's perfect it's perfect but uh yeah I mean our little guy we just dropped him at camp in Wyoming yesterday he's gone for a month and it's horse packing backpacking fly fishing and learn how to tie flies uh archery rivalry so I think that's those are the main core things that they do there uh but when he comes back it'll be you know it's instant interruptions all the time but I've decided just to embrace those because he's grown up so fast and I know that when he's gone I'm gonna miss those interruptions so I'm just embracing all the interruptions when it comes to to writing you know but uh you've had to write look at these books for anybody watching for people who are listening there's a stack of Steve's books here and man these are awesome and this took a long time to do part of these were with kids how many of these did you write when you had kids uh I'm trying to look at your pile there I think it's all of them no no no I did I did multiple books before I had kids yeah um yeah I did three I think before I had kids and back then I would be that was the main thing I did you know and uh yeah just singularly focused on them and they were I feel like I was so much less efficient maybe because you know I would just take my time and you know research for a long time and I used to think like if I was looking at the thing I had to write I used to think Nick man if I wrote a page a day yeah you know I'd be done in a year and then six months to go by and I hadn't done anything I think that's most right like if I wrote two pages a day there you go exactly then you get six months and you're like well I haven't started yet now it's two pages a day and you're still on track uh that's just how that eventually like I wrote four pages a day I'll be done and this one I mean this is this is a book for kids right here but it still doesn't mean it took any less time than any others how long did it take you to write this well not as long you know you'll see on there I have a good body that I that I that I work with and he was a we're gonna remark Brody Henderson we're in a remarkably similar situation where he um he didn't come from the writing background he was a fishing guide but he's always written as well yeah and we work together on it and we both got kids that are roughly the same age and we're both lifelong hunters and Anglers you know and um and we worked on it really closely together and we started thinking about it because I did my previous book um my previous book was called uh outdoor kids in an inside world yeah right here it was more it was like it was focused towards parents in a similar situation to me which is um which is like uh I grew up very with Incredible access to to the outdoors I grew up on a lake um we grew up in a very rural area you know we were as young kids we could just ride around on our bikes with 22s you know and just do whatever we wanted and circumstances work circumstances and such had it that when I started having kids we were living in we were living in cities for a number of years just because of the nature of the work I was involved in and I had this in terrible feeling of guilt that I wasn't gonna give them what I had and you know I I it's probably Global but I think of it as this very American perspective that you know you you measured in a family you kind of measure generational success where it's like each generation aspires to you give more your kids than than you got and that had been going along on my family for a long time you know my dad never my dad finished high school right he he enlisted you know during the war he enlisted when he was somehow he got in when he was 17 never finished high school you know then his kids went on to do college and advanced degrees and so you know you feel like you're progressing in this American Dream situation and then I and then I had this thing wow my kids are not you know I'm able to they're going to have better access to education they're going to have better access to professional networks but the nature thing and I want to be into those really unwarranted because as nervous as I was about being able to provide them with the kind of experiences and Adventures I had Outdoors like I wanted being quite successful at it and did and it went better than I thought I would never hold myself up as a parenting expert but um I'm an expert at getting kids outside so anyways I I did that book and and geared toward parents or geared toward caregivers or anyone who has that feeling of that that I don't even call it I shouldn't call it a feeling who holds the knowledge that their lives the kids and their lives their lives are going to be better if they have a close connection to the natural world yeah while doing that book I kept thinking man I'd like to follow this up with something for kids which before I had kids I would have had never imagined as something I would ever get involved in but I really wanted to do it I was like when I finish this I'm going to do a thing that's geared toward kids and uh and kind of take a lot of the activities and then lessons and Adventures that I have with my kids or that my dad had with me and put them down in a digestible format where someone can look and sort of shop through a book and find all these cool experiences um in a step-by-step fashion even though that might not be how you do it with your own kids right like you might just bake it into life but if you don't it's just a really easy way to do it yeah man I love this thing I remember growing up I had a few books that were geared towards kids they're out of print now one was called there was a Hardy Boys book it was called The Hardy Boys seven stories of survival and I still to this day I still have it and uh and I still have the bindings all coming apart but I have it like in a special spot but uh I learned some good things out of that book and that I said stick with me today um yeah when I was a kid that's all I read this is pretty YouTube you know way pretty YouTube so I read like I would go to the library and check out this book called trap lines North and uh and you look you know they used to punch the back yep you know it was all just me man that's awesome I was thinking about that the other day check it out yeah you could find out like who checked it out before you you could be like who was this person you know and I imagine that today they'd never do that today but uh you could see like who checked it out and then uh and if it got too long they didn't replace that card and then you'd started kind of starting new but man that that was kind of cool back in the day to see who checked it out it'd be so awesome today if they still had all those cards and some kid goes in there and gets that same book and sees your name in there from like you know 1989 or something like that that'd be cool that'd be really cool there's this book there's there's a book I talk about in my book outdoor kids in an inside world and and I and and in the end I I get into this idea of bringing the outdoors indoors meaning no matter how successful you are in getting your family engaged with nature like you're living we sleep inside we spend a much time inside I mean let's be frank so I thought about ways to introduce the outdoors into your home basically you know the things we keep in our home and all these ideas and then I get into book selection and the thing that's always bothered me it um is the way so many kids books really push uh push a sort of anti-human perspective meaning you know when you watch when you read kids books now or Watch animated things designed for kids it's quite often that the the the the the the enemy is a person that um utilizes natural resources in in some way and I grow tired of that I grow tired of the anthropomorphism of of wildlife I go tired of the the perspective pushed in books to kids that if they have a Hands-On relationship to Nature and they hunt and fish they're doing something wrong you know if you cut firewood you know that you're doing something wrong and so I've looked for books that that I think balance that perspective and one of the books I recommend I talk about there is this very obscure title awesome and um it's just it's it's this it's a story where there's this little baby possum and it has nine siblings and and um gets into the possum diet you know and they're always eating these disturbing things and slowly the siblings all just get eaten off by snapping turtles Ox like all this horrible stuff happens so just one little possum left what is it what age group is this geared towards all my kids all the time but their favorite thing about the book though to bring this full circle the favorite thing about the book is the punch out card because it was a library reject okay there's this Punch Out Card in the and this book was published in the 50s and and the spans of years that would go by between checked out oh yeah it was it wasn't uh every two weeks yeah no it's like someone got it in 1969. someone got in 1980. yeah I can see that not being unique to that particular Library as well wow so funny man I'm gonna have to read it now I've not read that one but I have read this one and I want to read something to everybody else here at uh this from the from the beginning because it's good for kids and adults and uh you're right here you say I got my start having these Adventures when I was a kid like you the thing I loved more than anything else was being outside doing stuff like Hunting Fishing canoeing exploring making forts and sneaking up on birds and animals back then my dad gave me an important piece of advice and this is what he says you're going to spend a third of your life working you told me so you better find a job that you love it was the best piece of advice I ever got and he repeated it about a hundred times that's how I eventually got to one of the coolest jobs in the world which is being a writer my job is to have Great Outdoor Adventures and then share my stories with other people if I hadn't learned how to do the kinds of things that you're going to learn in this book I wouldn't be doing the awesome things that I get to do now that is pretty cool and for your dad to say that he knew that he had to repeat that at least a hundred times uh for any parents listening you know and anybody in general it's uh it's certainly more than three times you have to repeat things for kids but that's cool that he kept telling you that and didn't just kind of check that box and say it once and then you know move on back to whatever whatever he was doing uh when did he first tell you that when did it first click for you it was it was always and I didn't come to appreciate it until much later when I got into uh I had a very you know I was just very I had a very blue collar existence up to a point when I went to graduate school and I went to a a a good writing program and met people from other sort of I don't want to make a hierarchical sounding but sort of like the higher echelons of society right and um in in families that had a a a a legacy of wealth or a legacy of of educational achievement and I became aware of of these people that had that carried around um really heavy expectations like like heavy expectations from their family about what they would do how they would live their lives that weren't it wasn't a moral code um but it was a it was a expectation about maintaining affluence or an expectation about um keeping up appearances you know in a way that struck me as really false and how this pertains to writing the particular advice is a lot of these people I met were really talented writers but they didn't have their people their families hadn't given them the runway to just fail for a long time yeah you know or not even to fail for a long time but to give you a long time to achieve it but with with how the advice I got from my dad about man pick a thing you want to do and make sure you love it and just do that so I never had to entertain a plan B and so I I wound up um being able to live like very living very very close to the Bone I always point out I don't believe you could be in poverty if you don't have kids because it's just different because you're just broke you know if you have kids it's like there's a I think there is such thing as poverty when you're single you're just broke right I lived a long time broke I lived in I had two brothers I lived in each of their basements alternately um but no uh no feeling of of like letting someone down or being a loser like I had a goal I was pursuing it I achieved it and then later I was like wow that really paired with what I had been hearing from my dad about find a thing you like and stick with it and so I never got tempted by a plan b or a thing that I didn't want to do that just felt easier and not that you need to succumb to family pressure but I didn't have family pressure and what was super funny about my dad as well is I mean right when I started to publish I was just publishing in magazines like small little things and magazines I'd go into a tackle shop with my dad and he'd want to go up to the counter and be like do you have any idea who this is nice to which they would invariably say uh no oh well now they do now they have like now they have your books in there probably and I've heard the podcast I've watched the show uh man for your kids you have do they have that interest in history as far as uh mountain men and uh Daniel Boone and Jedediah Smith and all those uh all those guys that were influential to you growing up and how did you first get interested in those days they don't have the um I can't figure it out they're very engaged with the present day and people have tried to make it stick they don't have that Nostalgia yeah um I had always been told another thing I was told my dad all the time is he's like you were born 200 years too late you know you missed the boat right right the way you want to live like you can't do that you know like you're not gonna be a fur trapper you gotta figure something else out because you know you've been fur trap for 10 years and you know you can't make any money at that you were born too late it was half joking when you would say it but he would just point out that you know you missed it like you you wish you you kind of wish you were like 1770 you know but it's not you were born in 1974. um but I always had that Nostalgia for the bygone times they don't have it they don't like they don't read about that stuff they they're very engaged with what they can do now and they're excited about their life now but that I used to think it was baked into every Outdoorsman was this feeling that you should have been alive in 1800 or whatever 1700 1800 like I thought everybody felt that way um I've tried to turn them on to those titles you know it just they're just fine being alive now yeah oh man I had some pictures I know good for them yeah good for them but it's also good to I think to have that Foundation of History so you can make uh wiser decisions in the present um and for those guys I have I found some old pictures over over Thanksgiving that had uh me and a [ __ ] skin calf with my brother and sister and uh this with a felt with uh like felt costumes that my grandmother made us like sewed up for us yeah exactly with The Fringe down there and had this old you know fake musket uh musket there and and uh yes there was that there is that that call to the past I think or there was for for Our Generation I wonder if it's just those things that you'd see on TV on that one channel that was always playing like at one outlier channel in the 80s you know there's ABC CBS NBC and then one outlier and it was always playing like a war movie or maybe like the Alamo or something you're like wait who is that guy you know and like Davy Crockett Daniel Boone or whatever or even Disney back then showing some of those not the yeah not the animated stuff but showing Daniel Boone and and uh and Davy Crockett with some of their their books that they used to have back then those little kind of picture books that would go along with like a TV show that they were doing or something like that um where they weren't so uh maybe anti-hunting uh you know they'd show the guy they wouldn't show the hunting but they show these guys you know marching through the woods with a rifle and a knife um which they probably wouldn't do today but uh but yeah where did that come from for you where did you first uh start learning about those guys and then when did you go did you go to the library and start researching the the histories and oh yeah for me it was all uh I have older I have a much older half brother and he uh I mean much older so so I'm 49 years old I have a brother this kind of blows people's minds I my dad when my dad left for World War II his his girlfriend wife to be uh was pregnant with my brother right so I have a brother that's that's that's uh you know 80 now um wow but he had this he lived a super cool life so you know my dad raised ever all of his kids in the outdoors you talk about him in the beginning of meat eater right yeah yeah so right here so he um was in Colorado he was a elk guide mountain lion guide River guide um and one day one time when I was 10 we went out to stay with him for summer and just ride horses and do various stuff with his business and things and when I when we were coming home he gave us a bunch of muskrat traps he gave us a bunch of number one Victor single long Springs um at that time that was 84 and there was a huge fur boom um fur price boom that ran through the late 80s or sorry late 70s and early 80s this fur boom peaked from 78 to 82. uh a friend of mine pointed out every generation has its fur boom that was that was that for a boon um and so I got traps in 84. muskrats were still pretty good money uh you would mow a lawn right you'd mow a lawn for seven eight ten bucks but you could get five six seven dollars for a muskrat so I got real fired up about traffic muskrats and my man made a little Ledger and we borrowed some more money and bought us some 110 Conner Bears some Northwoods 110 Connor bears and started just going after muskrats hard and then mink raccoon everything from there and that and I just fell like wholly in love with fur trapping so when I went down when I started down the path for his history for me was these key times and key figures in the in the fur Harvester end of things so I read a lot about the the you know people use mountain men for a variety of different terms when I say Mountain Men I'm talking about Rocky Mountain Beaver Trappers from you know roughly whatever very early 1800s pulse Lewis and Clark up until 1834 or whatever won the beaver Market claps gonna talk about a specific window I studied that window hard um then I got into the fur Trappers the Canadian fur Trappers in the 1920s and the Alaska fur Trappers in the 20s and all these other Peak fur harvesting periods so that was how I dipped into start being a student of History um and I shouldn't put it quite that make us on that grandiose because I was reading all secondary sources you know reading books by people but I got into journals and that was my entry point into history which which means a lot to me now and and I've since traveled on and I spent a lot of time on I say I I love to read about Ice Age hunters and and other eras but for me it was really it was a fit there's a discipline that I wanted to pursue and I read about people who pursued that discipline um even when I turned I set my last I sold my last piece of fur when I was 22. um and and quit trapping for money but still to this day read about Trappers yeah and all the people involved in the fur trade the high trade you know Dana Boone basically was a deer hide Hunter um Crockett was a bear meat and bear grease Hunter uh and so these Market Hunters i i as much as they commit committed of some horrendous sins against American wildlife they are these archetypal Wilderness characters that I love to study and write about yeah and you talk you talk a little bit about them in here I forget which there's so many books I forget which ones you talk about these guys in but uh John Coulter was one of these guys and how did he meet his end uh well Colter did he escape I forget if he escaped or not that's what I was gonna ask him yeah Coulter uh the one those Trappers those mountain men that live tend to a lot of them tended to die somewhat peaceful lives back on farms but he had a horrendous situation in his life where he and another Trapper by the name of Potts were caught by the black feet um just just west of where I'm sitting right now what was called The Three Forks meaning where the gout and Jefferson and Madison Rivers converge to make the Missouri um they got caught trapping there and pots was all chopped up and you hear different versions but they had uh you know gutted him out cut his testicles off and smeared blood all up and down Coulter and made a horrific mess out of the guy and then made Colter run for his life naked and that's come to be known as coulter's run um at a while you had Colter's run and then Yellowstone was known as culture as hell so he had these great these great names you know but uh Coulter survived that and that's been aspects of that have been lifted up and put into various movies so yeah the naked prey was one I think who the hell is the more no who's the guy that played like Ben Hur his name's escaping me right now Charlton Heston Charlton Heston and Charlton heston's the mountain men there's a little John Coulter reenactment and there's aspects from coulter's life that have been woven into various things but Colter himself um you know Live to Tell the tale and a lot of those guys that were involved in that industry uh did not it was a very high there was high attrition among that among those folks which makes you as much as they're painted in history as these money hungry um these money hungry Savages there's some part of it that they were drawn by adventure and curiosity because I don't care how money hungry you are like the 25 30 40 chance you're gonna die a violent death um they didn't like the money that much yeah they were there were other options the biggest that calling maybe it's that calling you know they heard that call and they listened and and you had that call and and you listened um and and your dad with his advice you know kind of helped make that uh okay to listen to that calling uh which is what I think was really cool about your dad's advice um because same thing for me I felt that calling served specifically as a seal and then to write I listened to that calling I didn't let people and in the next paragraph in this book you talk about uh people that'll tell you that uh you should have a backup plan uh or that's you know that's not a real that's not a real job uh type of a thing and I noticed that people do it just with a look they don't even have to say that they can just tell you with a look like if you're telling me want to be an outdoor writer they just look at you like oh that's even if they say oh that's nice you know good luck but you can just kind of tell there's a little tone in the voice that's like they don't believe it they're gonna you know that's it's uh but listening to that calling is so important I'll sometimes hear it from others and I don't mean it I don't mean it the wrong way but if if I give that look you're talking about accidentally subconsciously if I give that look I might be giving that look because I'm thinking to myself I don't know if you quite understand what you're saying but sometimes I'll get from people where I'll I'll think to myself he believes this is true he or she knows what that means and I think that they'll do it yeah right if they if they know exactly what they're saying then I'll point out that when I started saying that I didn't know I had never met a writer I had never met a writer yeah you don't need to I think it's that it's that calling I mean you knew there was a library you knew there were books you knew somebody wrote them um I think it's so important for kids to anybody really to listen to that calling otherwise you get to be 40 50 60 70 years old and look back and think oh man I shouldn't should have listened to that calling when I was younger why did I not do that why did I get discouraged along the Route but a lot of people get discouraged along the Route I think probably the majority of people don't listen to that calling and now of course with Tick Tock and everything else there's so many distractions you don't even have a time to really connect with yourself with the outdoors with that calling because you're distracted every 15 seconds by something so that's tough too but I did want to ask you about beaver tail um and uh we were talking about Trappers and I think you had a change of heart at some point about about beaver tail yeah I had read so many times that that uh the favorite food of the mountain men was was beaver tail and since then I've found in other other eras you know other people who really relish this dish and I always like to point out because it's again pre-internet so um man it was it was difficult it was it was if you wanted to find something out back in those days you had to intentionally find it out oh yeah you had to go look we had to work I can't remember now you can't remember now that you could get in an argument with your buddies about something well you know whatever like what a what an insect noise is off in the woods and you might go months not be able to resolve their argument I mean it was it took a lot of effort to solve problems um I remember when the first time I found the Buffalo School of Road and out of the ground I had to go to the damn library and get a book called skulls and bones by Glenn searfrost to find out what I had I'd find out in three seconds now right anyhow pre-internet I I read this about beaver tail and couldn't find how they prepared it what they exactly meant and we trapped beavers back then to sell them and so one day we stuck one in an oven my brother Danny shouldn't say we my brother Danny sticks one in the oven and just bakes it for a while and it just comes out a total mess you know because it's got that black scaly tail on it okay he's like man that can't be what they're talking about dude because I just put one in the oven man there's no you can't eat that thing so then we thought it must be that when these guys say that their favorite meal was beavertail must be the hams the rump you know so we started eating a lot of just jamming Beaver romps down into crock pots and when even in the morning if we used to go try out this place called Macosta County in Michigan in December January trapped it through the ice and uh you know we'd skin beavers at night wake up in the morning cram a couple Beaver thighs into a crock pot with some potatoes carrots yeah turn it off high run traps all day come back dark and eat the beaver thighs and I was like oh pretty good I could see why the mountain liked it eventually though I don't know how it was I figured out that like no they actually did mean I remember I I knew I can't remember the thing that I actually kicked it off but I wrote about it probably mentioned it there but I came to the realization that they absolutely meant the tale yeah and I somehow found a reference to how to prepare it and you need to skewer that tail like you found a first person account finally this has changed your mind right you find a first person it's first an account I think you skewer that tail and hang it next to a fire and let it slowly broil that was the word they always used in the old days they were gonna broil it and you let it broil them eventually that skin starts to Bubble Up and pull away and then you can scrape that scaly stuff off it's the same stuff you've ever seen like a beaver wallet you know that that hide that scaly stuff scrapes off and what's underneath there can best be described as the the when most people order a steak when most people order a T-bone the part they leave on their plate not the bone part but the part they leave on their plate the Gristle that's what's inside a 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on that you're gonna go order the greasiest thing you can imagine you're getting faster so imagine here's this giant valuable rodent swimming around that you're processing anyways and then you learn that you can get a slab a third a pound a half a pound of just fat you're gonna love it right and that was that was the key and so when I explain it to people now and and serve it to people I'll explain that I'm not I'm not putting this in front of you for you to judge whether you think it's good you know or not I'm putting this in front of you as a history lesson right imagine yeah you don't have butter you don't have oil you just been eating the leanest cuts of meat and then all of a sudden here's this dripping fat bristly thing it's like dude you would it would be your favorite food too yeah in that situation right you know I love reading about that and then uh in here like I asked for recommendations for kid books all the time and a lot of times I've been a loss you know there's a few um but because I haven't been reading too many kids books lately I don't really know uh what to recommend well now I know another one to recommend right here uh and I love you talk about squirrels in here and squirrel hunting in here and uh I think you wrote in one of your books maybe meat eater that if you could eat one thing the rest of your life it would be squirrel is that yeah I could I could picture that there's a huge Nostalgia for me it's good and here's the thing is uh it's even more liberal now on the season dates yeah there's just one State's example um squirrel seasons are generally regulated in the East and oftentimes not regulated in the west but when I was growing up squirrel season started September 15th and ran through the year right now it runs till March 1. so it's usually squirrel season yeah all right so it's usually swirl season and our gun deer season was was uh 10 days oh wow so you could add a lot of guys that would self-identify as a hunter you know self-identify like you ask them like what what's your story man you know what do you like to do I like to hunt deer and if they weren't a baller you bow hunt for quite a long time if you were a gun Deer Hunter dude best case scenario best case scenario you hunted 10 days a year hmm um and that's you know if you hunt docs is different but if you're just like a deer hunter right this case is 10 days a year but we would run we would pursue squirrels when I say we are taught me and guys around the neighborhood my brothers you know we could pursue squirrels half the year and so it just kept you out all the time you know uh my kid now we don't have the kind of squirrels I grew up hunting you know we grew up focusing on Eastern gray squirrels and fox squirrels here we have a lot of pine squirrels they're completely unregulated there's no bag limit there's no closed season they're quite small I mean my kids sat down and ate I don't remember we I think our record is you know 24 and one singing or something but he can they can be out and hunt they can just hunt yeah when they want it doesn't need to be this huge production opening day and all that right they can we can go out and Camp you can get my air gun you can give them 22. tell them where to go where not to go uh you go through the woods that squirrel is gonna get pissed and chirp and you can get his location and they can hunt and stalk that's cool and and learn how to shoot and it's yeah so I mean if you're gonna pick one thing I mean plus I think that they're phenomenal um I've never served anybody that didn't think they were phenomenal there's a stigma perhaps to it um definitely not in in Appalachia definitely not in the Ozarks areas of the South there's no Stigma but in a lot of areas there's a stigma about eating squirrel um but how great of a resource for kids yeah no it's fantastic I'm in the field yeah time in the field in the field exactly exactly what is there a grand slam of squirrel or something I read an article yeah there's people are serious about it like they're going to get them yeah I have yeah so I guess I should be careful about um talking up my squirrel Bonafide I am not a squirrel grain not yet not yet is there still time yeah people are gonna be like he ain't nothing exactly exactly you'll hear about it in the comment section uh-huh no doubt about it oh man you know I love in this book also in in mediator you have the photos in here and it's so cool that you captured your first deer uh in a photo and that was that seemed like a really cool experience yeah yeah I was uh I got to jump the gun a little bit this is a thing you went to the blade I mean you transitioned to the blade on this thing you weren't messing around yeah it's so funny that but so at that time in Michigan I'll touch on this too because it's relevant to kids an aspect of the age thing there that I was 13. at that time in Michigan you had to be 12 to hunt small game legally so you had to complete hunter safety and be 12 done small game you could hunt archery deer at 12. you had to hunt rifle deer at 14 which is it's just too late they fixed it it's too late but I got a little jump on it um and we never had to wait that long uh to hunt and and I got a doe when I was 13 and we were doing a little Deer Drive and we knew this little Bottom by a place called Mosquito Creek and when you spooked the deer out of this section of Mosquito Creek we knew what Ridge they were gonna use to leave the ravine and I was posted up there and also under here is deer right in my face and it was just looking at me over the crest of the ridge I could just see the top part of it and I thought I was going to hit it in the neck and got a bad hit on it and hitting the jaw and it rolls down the hill and and uh it just I don't know what I'd read too many Mountain Man books I had a like a beaver Skinner knife you know but I carry around on my belt and I pulled out that Beaver Skinner knife and jumped out of that deer and caught its throat and other people observed when everybody gathered around later like why don't you just shoot it you know I just had to crack that occurred yet exactly that's not what they did with the muskets and and got it and uh when I mentioned the age thing about that is what a lot of states are doing now and I think it's phenomenal is they've created these mentored hunting opportunities so in Michigan now they leave it it's a family decision um if you're within Arm's Reach of your Mentor which would ever be a legally licensed I don't know what 21 years whatever it is a licensed hunter in good standing either your family or someone your family has signed off on it's a family decision right that that that kid's got to be right there and and that's how I think that's how I think that that should be I think it should be a family decision I like the oversight of having them need to be a mentor in the state where I live uh we can start at 10 years old so um my boy who's 13 he's got three years of mentored deer hunting under his belt my 10 year old daughter this will be your first year she'll get several years of mentored hunting under her belt then she can go on and do her own hunter safety and have had that time and I think that's I think that's a great policy adjustment and that's becoming pretty widespread um so I think the people that do you know years ago I heard from a body of mine and he's a great guy I don't want to say his name so I wouldn't want to give him the wrong impression about him phenomenal guy very hard worker school teacher bust his ass uh lives for the kids but he had when it came to hunting you know he had his vacation and he had that one chance to hunt and um he just it was his time to get away you know and and didn't have that opportunity didn't have that opportunity to bring his kids in it the way he wanted to so I like these these policy adjustments that give parents more chances to to raise their kids up with some exposure to that so that's that's the thing I applaud with all the state game agencies because that's a widespread movement that's good that's good for an opportunity I think Texas has been doing it for for a while oh yeah so we probably led the charge taxes always been great about stuff great about that type of ruling exactly let the parents decide so we got our daughter out there very early we're in California and the SEAL Teams at the time she was too young for California to hunt legally so that's why I started going going to Texas and got on a lease up there in Red River County a beautiful spot um right there uh on the Texas Oklahoma border and that's where she got her first deer and we went back year after year sometimes twice a year out there and it was before some of those other things intrude like oh you know what they now that we're in competitive soccer or LaCrosse or whatever else is that that uh that get a lot of families these days but getting them started where hey if you miss a game at 789 you know it's okay uh as you're getting closer to high school maybe they get a little more devoted to it or you know whatever else but I love that states have leave it should be the parents decision I mean it seems like an obvious an obvious thing you're going to pass down these skills that have been with us for for the well since the beginning of time really um you don't hear and I'm sure there's isolated cases but the thing you don't hear is you don't hear what these kids out as mentored Hunters you're just not hearing about hunting accidents coming from these situations I'm not saying it hasn't happened it is not a widespread common issue yeah with the mentor and I think that that was the thing that was held out as the why not and the why not hasn't developed yeah and in Texas had a weekend where it was just for kids also so there wasn't a chance of like you know you're with somebody but this huge Buck walks out and there wasn't that decision to make like I'm gonna take this one no it's only for kids this weekend and then uh fishing game would come out and bring all the kids around you know and they're in their uniform and they have a cool truck and you know they're talking about all the different parts of the animal and all that stuff and I think it's just cool to for kids to hear some of that stuff coming from someone other than than Dad uh or that was just really really cool for us as a family anyway but uh okay I'm coming by on the clock but I want to ask for people who haven't uh or have watched the show uh how did the stove start like what what how did that what was that path to a show because we talked about you wanted to be a writer and you feel this calling from an early age and you're doing it and then the show meat eater oh man it was such a long a long process that for a long time I didn't spend a ton of time on but when I was a magazine writer so before I did books I was a magazine writer and I would get summoned to TV Land now and then because you're out having adventures and finding out what's going on and you and you'd write pieces and and so inevitably producers networks would want to talk to you about your work and you know and kind of mine it for ideas and I optioned some stuff uh that didn't go anywhere and then it eventually LED and when I published a book then it became like well maybe you'd want to do pursue one of these ideas and after all these really boring stories about uh development deals I did land a very short-lived show on Travel Channel we did Eight Episodes it's called The Wild Within uh did not do well the only reason I'm glad I did it the reason I'm glad I did is because it let me do what I want doing after the fact but we came out of that experience um me I got a moe Fallon a guy named Nick brigdon guy named Jared Andrew cannons people I stayed friends with many years we came out of that experience being like man we want to do a really stripped down show about you know the things I talk about and write about love and we got that opportunity by just creating we made meat eater and just licensed it we licensed it at the time because no one barred outright but it was the luckiest bad thing that ever happened to me because now we just own it all right like I own the whole Library we're able to we were able to found a company had to be done had someone bought that show and we made it they would have bought the IP yeah but just luckily luckily people were like well we want to license it but we don't want to spend the money necessary to acquire it we will license it and we went on to do a lot of Licensing we licensed and still licensed to Sportsman Channel and Outdoor Channel um licensed to Netflix and Netflix would run it as a Netflix original because we'd license premieres on Netflix and um we still make shows today so we made not quite 200 but a hellblad episodes awesome and you know that's a lot um through that I've been able to do books the whole time and it's great and to be honest with you if I had um you know I'm very proud of what we did with with meat eater and and it was it wound up being like influential in its in its space but that's as much to do with those guys Nick and Moe and Jared that I talked to there's much to do with them it's about me but one of the things I've liked most about it is it's been able to allow me to continue to publish and and really increase my readership right as as I'm sure you've probably experienced like your books were doing great man and then you got you know you get some TV exposure and you you realize an effect of that so one of the things about being a writer the way I used to imagine I used to imagine a writer was a person that wrote books and I I do do books but I write in a lot of formats audio original I think in my podcasting as a form of writing writing TV is a form of writing right I'm still writing I'm just writing a lot of different stuff and and that sort of scrappiness if I was going to make a recommendation to people if you you know people that that that follow you and they're and and they want to be in that business and in that game you're in I think that that scrappiness is something that I know you can attest to and that willingness to just seize opportunities right and um and that's enabled me to do that original thing which is like the books but I do a lot I I have a set of ideas I like to deal with and I'll and I'll publish or push that set of ideas in any way in any way I can yeah I I'm not choosy but I get to deal with my ideas right oh man that's so awesome I'd love to see what you what you've done and uh what am I the reasons that my daughter really wanted to go hunting at such an early age is because we're watching your show and we put on we had out it was on an outdoor Channel at the time so this is like let's see 2012-13 somewhere somewhere somewhere in there and uh she just I mean she just naturally gravitated towards wanting to hunt and uh and so we so we did but a lot of that I think it was because in in a lot of watching The Outdoor Channel back then was because of the commercials you could trust the commercials a little more than you could watching anything else uh like you turn your back on a commercial all of a sudden your kids fixated to the screen on something oh totally inappropriate you know and you're like what if an outdoor Channel like most of the commercials were pretty pretty legit you know Bass Pro Shop commercial or whatever like you can trust that one like it's okay um but uh like we'd always watch your show uh there's a couple others we just oh we'd never miss I even have my t-shirt from back in the day it's an old school one right there oh sweet yeah that's it yeah yeah that's a that's an OG one I think um but yeah that's why we started I mean I mean that was it's huge for for my daughter um like she didn't know really who some of these like pop star people were but she knew who you were uh she knew who Jim Shockey was like and she'd mentioned it to her friends and like I don't know this is first grade second grade third grade perhaps and they'd be talking about something and mention your name and they'd be like like this little girl you know a seven-year-old girl will be like who and my daughter would like look at me like she doesn't know who this is you know she's a new Stephen Ellis like what's wrong with her it's like you don't know who Jim jockey is like it was fantastic I absolutely loved it so it was a great memories of uh watching your show in our house there in Coronado my last couple years in the SEAL Teams watching you grow this thing um how about those episodes that stand out to you on any and what few episodes stand out to you is like uh um I don't know impactful to you maybe you didn't expect going into them um the way we would work on them uh sometimes we would do a thing and we would we would have a theme in our mind um that sat outside of what the actual Pursuit was not always so you know a lot of times we go out like we just did a spear fishing one in the in the Bahamas and and uh just filmed in Alaska bear hunting and that was just you know we go in and do it like we knew it was gonna be actually packed and it was going to be the the story was the hunt yeah and that's the thing we do a lot of but sometimes we'll have uh we'll want to like explore a theme and we did these ones where we took uh my my longtime producer and colleague and he comes on the show as a guest all the time he honest patellas uh his dad had always had a dream to go up into Alaska and do a big game hunt so we wanted to do a thing about dads right and and took his dad up and explored all these themes about the outdoors and dads and for me I I talked a lot about the ways in which I I uh if I could change things between my dad um things that I would do meaning he spent a great deal of effort to to get me outside if he was going out hunting there's no way I wasn't invited right and we never had the second act we never had it that I'm here like he didn't live to see my kids right so we didn't have that later part where where I go take him out you know and show him around but but Giannis was living this because yeah this is a big game guide very experienced Hunter um and here he is in a situation where he's metaphorically holding his father's hand on this hunt you know he's the one encouraging his dad to get up to the top of the hill right and it was and we did this two-part thing about that and it was that was really impactful because we had a great action-packed hunt too you know we got a nice Caribou giannis's dad got a great Bull Moose um flying hunting it's so adventurous and it's so freestandingly good but on top of that was this really this nice um meditation on dads and Sons in the outdoors and and what you owe uh you know what you owe to people ahead of you living you know some thoughts on on the remorse of not getting it right and how maybe it would make sense in hindsight you know it would have made sense to get it right yeah you know and so that that stands out to me is just one of those really uh one of those really special episodes there were many I'm probably thinking about this one now because we're we're talking about raising kids and all these kinds of things but that was one that meant a lot you know that really meant a lot to me yeah and they're so good I encourage everybody who hasn't watched them uh that has kids even get this book and then watch the show with your kids because it inspires not just going hunting but Adventure just getting outside uh one of the ones that stands out to me is probably around that same time frame 2013-14 time frame uh when you're up in Alaska at your place up there and you're hunting the coast uh for a bear and uh and you don't take the shot for some reason that one really stands out to me I remember watching with my daughter and uh that was just a really cool episode The you know the voiceover was awesome and that one I love that terrain like for me that kind of terrain hunting like like a Kodiak type terrain or like you know Washington State Oregon like that but it goes from nice beaches up to just Rocky moss covered you know Green overcast rain like I just love that kind of terrain in general and I think the word you're looking for is dank dank that's it it's a dank terrain and uh and your place is right there in the middle of it in Alaska which is awesome uh so I always love those episodes that uh that showed your place up there but that one in particular the way uh when you don't take that shot at the end on that bear and whatever you do the voiceover stands out to me but anyway that was that was awesome but I really thankful for sure well absolutely I think families should get this book and watch the show um and it'll Inspire I mean who knows what that kids might looking for something that that kid six seven eight nine 10 11 12 13 14 15. like those kids are looking for something and uh maybe they don't have it because they don't have that parent that hunts or their both parents are working and you know they're not taking their kids backpacking or rock climbing or mountaineering or hunting or fishing um just because they're everybody's busy and people are so busy these days you take the office home with you on the phone but if you put that phone away and watch your show I think it can Inspire families just to get outside whether it's hunting fishing or just get out with the kids um and then and now they have this book to to go with it so that's I mean I'll absolutely love it and I know you only have a little bit of time here left but uh cookbook here so I'm going to do something from The cookbook tonight a little uh California spiny Lobster so I'm gonna do that tonight yeah it's in here it's in here near the back in this one right here there's a recipe for it in here uh so I'm doing that tonight a buddy darville he just won won the uh uh he was in Lake Powell but they won the um freshwater spearfishing competition out there and then he sent me from from California he sent me some uh spiny Lobster so I'm gonna Grill those up tonight with with your recipe in here oh I love it I love it uh we've been we kind of finished all of our recipe testing and we're doing a follow-up to that book nice all outdoor cooking nice love it grilling yeah grilling smoking you know crazy caveman stuff really elegant stuff but just all outdoor but very much in the vein of that book you know and I love it that book was a was um that book just did well does well um it was it was a a lot of fun to do that it's just been one of those ones that just kind of continuously plugs away in and and people have loved it so we're excited to do another one and the photos are amazing in there too do you have one person John haffner wow he crushes it with those photos those photos look fantastic he's a phenomenal wildlife photographer too yeah but I see him by seeing the the photos in there I do not doubt it um all right I know you got a couple minutes left here but book is coming out by the time this is going to drop next week so we're recording this on May or sorry on June 14th so the book is out but uh you're going on your tour next week uh going on my tour next week Chris yeah so you got in a couple days actually so by the time this drops you'll have a few days left um and you're doing it with shields this time you're gonna be hitting all those those Shields going there so people can go to your website mediator.com right there there's a banner they can click on that find out where you're going to be and uh and come see you but uh that's pretty cool to be doing it with with shields oh that'll be a lot it'll be a lot of fun man um it's a great little relationship we have there and um cool venues uh a ticket to deal this might be a day of thing it's just a little bit different way they do book stuff now I know that you've you've done some of it it's easy the ticket is just the book price yeah and and if you you get one you bring you know bring your kids bring you bring your family it's not like everybody has to have one but it's just you just get a book and then they they know ahead of time we'll have the book waiting for you and sign it so it's it's not like uh it's a book purchase yeah that's what it is yeah they have to do it because they don't know because if uh you know 500 people show up but they only order 100 books and then you have so you have 400 people they're like oh man I wish it was you know how you guys run out of books so fast there's no expectation that people have one for everybody right just get get your family and so yeah I really appreciate the plugs man and it was it was it was great that you you came on our show and that was I really appreciate that oh that was super fun people have contacted me uh over the last few weeks after after hearing that that episode we had a really good time and uh how long how long is the podcast like as soon as podcast became name of things where you're like ah here's another like you're looking at this like a battle space kind of we talked about earlier looking at opportunities did you see like how long until did it take you know what's funny I could take you and show you the exact place where I ever first heard the word podcast and it was because I had been invited on I'd never heard the word and and I didn't know I had never heard the word name Joe Rogan and someone named Helen Cho I could show you wherever you're standing she said this guy Joe Rogan wants you to come on a podcast I've never really what the hell is that I'm not kidding you man but as I became friends with Joe then went on a show a few times he's like you really ought to start a podcast and uh he encouraged me to do it nice and and we got into it I mean he got into her earlier yeah like early um and we wound up getting into it early I mean nowhere near as early as him but early from an outdoor perspective yeah um not the first by any stretch but early on in that thing and I think now I don't know man we drop weekly and we're in the I don't know three or four hundreds now you know a lot of shows man and it's fun for people haven't listened to it you should check it out because it's not a normal podcast like we're doing like just having a conversation like there's a lot of people in that room and everybody's contributing her in there and it's like fun it's like a party in there it's uh it's just a great atmosphere and you can sense it when you listen to it uh as well so that's a it's it's super fun people should totally check that out I appreciate it yeah man and uh all right couple minutes left International hunting uh you're just down in the Bahamas doing that what's uh what international hunts have stood out to you because I like the international stuff because it's uh in some places like Africa you can get years of deer hunting experience essentially for your 10 days back then uh you know in in a couple weeks in a week over there with all the animals that you and you can learn from those trackers learn from those professional Hunters if you go to a place like Mozambique where it's kind of still more old Africa um you can learn a ton there but each country like you've been to Scotland and you've been to all these other places around the world they all have their different hunting traditions and that's what I really like about International hunting but uh do you have any coming up and then what would have stood out to you from International hunting perspective either doing the show or personal or writing about uh what stands out to you my favorite is barely International because we hunt every year about 30 40 miles south of the Arizona border so we we hunt Cruise during Mexico every year but it's the ranch methods there it's like going back in time um and people still uh work cattle and Men fence on Horseback you know and uh you go up in those mountains man there's no one around which I love it it feels it's so just being that close I mean you're looking like you're looking at mountains back in the U.S you know but after being down there in Sonora hunting deer um and that kind of that environment and then you drive just that handful of miles and cross back into Arizona it's like jarring you know because you look back like dude I just like time traveled yeah and and that ranching culture is just it's different because it's these enormous ranches with oftentimes Ranch hands Cowboys that have been affiliated with those properties for Generations not the owners but generations of of families that have run cattle as workers on these places it it it's such a special trip and um that's an annual January thing for me I haven't hunted Africa yet I'm really now that I met I met some guys I want to hunt with terribly oh I really want to hunt with them uh Robin hurt safaris they're in Tanzania uh Roger hurt came on the podcast with another pH Morgan Potter um I want to go hunt Kate Buffalo those guys so bad man but but I I've never done it but I'm gonna I'm gonna dig into it and I've got the hunt and fish around the world but I I just haven't done I haven't gone to Africa now I was kind of waiting for the right uh contact you know in in the right you know and when you throw in with someone on something like that like you want to know who I like to know who I'm hanging out with oh yeah and and so now I got that or where I know that I'm gonna have a great time with those guys and I was able to talk with them more than just a sales pitch you know but like hang out with them and talk about their experiences how they run their camp and that was the level of of I shouldn't put it as comfort but that was the the level of detail that now I'm real excited about having that experience yeah and going hunting cape buffalo um and I don't I don't need that all the time like I'll I'll roll the dice and have rolled the dice on places but but uh I'm feeling real good about my prospects of of getting over there hopefully next summer nice nice yeah that's what I did for Mozambique for researching True Believer my second novel and I wanted to do it the same way you would have done it 100 years ago so double rifle no optic on there just irons and uh it was a 500 416 Nitro Express uh made by kriegoff and uh I couldn't have written it better the way it went down but it's uh it was it was awesome it was a great experience and uh and yeah a lot of what I learned over there made it got woven into that book and my next one third one Savage Sun so it's uh yeah you'll love it it'll be a great it'll be fun I mean it'll be a great experience great experience for you those research trips are funny because you'll get accused of you get accused of being out just messing around and I always need to clarify no no no no no that's right for any IRS people listening that's right for anybody from the IRS tuning in right now yeah exactly exactly this is hard work it's all business yeah awesome man awesome I'll let you get back to the family and right here is the latest one catch a crayfish count the stars and uh yeah parents not just parents but we have a niece nephew like this is a great gift you're searching for a gift friend and you don't have kids but you have friends who have kids and nieces and nephews that sort of thing bam right here and then uh check out the website meat eater.com and look for those uh signing opportunities to uh to hang out meet you and check out Scheels as well those places are awesome we have one right down here and you're finishing up the tour I think down here in Salt Lake I think I'm gone but uh you're finishing down yeah last one's down here in Salt Lake those things like you can spend the day there with the family you need to go to Disneyland or anything like that you can just just go to one of these places yes Nation shopping man yeah it's amazing just let everybody let the kids run wild there's games there's all sorts of stuff it's fantastic so uh go check those out and uh man I also want to thank you for your friendship for having me on the podcast and for all you do for those who Venture a field so yeah well thanks for the generous endorsements man I appreciate it absolutely take care and hopefully we'll uh we'll see you up there in Montana or something soon oh we have to we're gonna make it happen all right you take care talk soon bye-bye later black raffle Coffee Company you can help Black Rifle coffee raise 1 million dollars to benefit veterans through the boot campaign all you need to do is grab a can of ready to drink coffee online or from your local grocery or convenience store the boot campaign is one of the most renowned veteran focused non-profits in the country working tirelessly to provide life-changing Aid and benefits to service members and their families join forces with Black Rifle in the boot campaign from May through the end of the year where every can of ready 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Length: 72min 49sec (4369 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 21 2023