>>> AS NEW DETAILS SEEM TO EMERGE EVERY DAY AND WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION INTO WHY THE TWICE IMPEACHED DISGRACED EX-PRESIDENT TOOK AND KEPT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AT MAR-A-LAGO, WE STILL DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT MOTIVATED HIM TO TAKE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. THERE ARE LEGITIMATE NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS THAT KEEPING THOSE DOCUMENTS AT MAR-A-LAGO, SOME OF THEM THE MOST CLASSIFIED AND TOP SECRET THAT OUR GOVERNMENT POSSESSES MIGHT ENABLE TRUMP TO POTENTIALLY PROFIT OFF THEM WITH ADVERSARIES. THERE IS A NO LESS ILLEGAL REASON THAT HE WANTED TO USE THE DOCUMENTS TO BRAG AND BOAST AND BOOST HIS OWN EGO WITH MEMBERS OF HIS OWN GOLF CLUB. WOW. JOINING US MARY TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S NIECE. SHE IS THE HOST OF THE DONALD TRUMP PODCAST, TOO MUCH IS NEVER ENOUGH. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU SINCE THE SEARCH AT MAR-A-LAGO. I FEEL LIKE YOU WATCH THE NEWS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE DO. WHEN WE'RE STILL CAPABLE OF SHOCK AND HORROR, YOU'RE OF COURSE HE DID THAT. TELL ME YOUR REACTION TO LEARNING THAT HE TOOK THIS MATERIAL THAT HE HAD PEOPLE LIE ON HIS BEHALF ABOUT RETURNING IT, AND HE STILL DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO SEE WHAT HE HAS. >> WELL, OF COURSE HE DID THAT. THAT'S MY REACTION. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE IS NOTHING SURPRISING HERE, AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO RECALIBRATE, HONESTLY, AND UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT DONALD HAS DONE TO DATE AS A PRELUDE TO WORSE THINGS TO COME. AND IF WE UNDERSTAND IT IN THOSE TERMS, THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL STOP BEING SURPRISED. AND BE READY FOR THE WORST, BUT ALSO MAYBE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO PREVENT THE WORST. UNFORTUNATELY, AS YOU'VE BEEN POINTING OUT, THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE ONE PERSON WHO OWES HIM A FAVOR OR WHOM HE'S INSTALLED OR WHO IS A SYCOPHANT WILLING TO PUT THEIR OWN REPUTATION AND CAREER ON THE LINE TO ENABLE HIM EVEN FURTHER. >> I MEAN, MARY, THERE IS THE ONE PERSON THAT HELPS HIM IN THE ROOM AT THE DESK AT THE OFFICE. BUT THEN THERE ARE THE THOUSANDS OF REPUBLICANS WHO HELP GREEN LIGHT WHAT HE HAS NORMALIZED, ACCEPTING POLITICAL VIOLENCE, ACCEPTANCE OF TAKING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, WHICH WAS HIS OWN SLOGAN ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON. I MEAN, THE HYPOCRISY, THE ABSENCE OF A SPINE TO STAND UP TO THINGS THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD FIND OBJECTIONABLE IN OTHER CANDIDATES, WHERE DOES THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, TO RENDER ONE OF THE TWO POLITICAL PARTIES CORRUPT AND EVERYONE TENT, WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? >> YOU KNOW, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME, UNFORTUNATELY, THINKING ABOUT THAT VERY QUESTION. AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS A GOOD ANSWER, BUT IT IS THE CONTINUATION OF A PATTERN THAT HAS EXISTED FOR DONALD'S ENTIRE ADULT LIFE, STARTING WITH MY GRANDFATHER WHO WAS, OF COURSE, HIS CHIEF ENABLER. I THINK CURRENTLY THE ISSUE IS THAT DONALD HAS NEVER SUFFERED ANY ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ANYTHING HE'S DONE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE CRIMES HE'S COMMITTED RECENTLY ARE EVEN MORE SERIOUS THAN CRIMES HE'S ALLEGED COMMITTED IN THE PAST. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IT ISN'T ONLY DONALD WHO BEGINS TO FEEL IMPERVIOUS OR WHO BEGINS TO FEEL LIKE THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH, THAT ALSO EXTENDS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIDING HIS COATTAILS. THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE ONE OF OUR TWO POLITICAL PARTIES HAS BECOME ANTI-DEMOCRATIC AND PROTO AUTHORITARIAN AND FASCIST. >> SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU I THINK HAVE FILLED IN TERMS OF THE BLANKS FOR ME IS UNDERSTANDING THE LENGTH OF THE PATTERNS. SO I'VE ONLY WATCHED THE PATTERNS SINCE HE HAS BEEN A PUBLIC FIGURE IN POLITICAL LIFE. BUT YOU'VE SEEN THE PATTERNS YOUR WHOLE LIFE. THAT EVERYTHING IS A LIE. THAT IF YOU SCRATCH, IT'S ALL FAKE. WHATEVER HE IS ACCUSING SOMEONE OF DOING IS WHAT HE HAS DONE TO OTHERS. AND IT'S PARTICULARLY ACUTE WHEN YOU WATCH THE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT THE FBI AND DOJ. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIM AS STILL SITTING ATOP THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND YOU THINK ABOUT A SECOND TRUMP TERM, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? >> I'M AFRAID THAT THAT SIGNALS THE END OF THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT. I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR A WHILE. I THINK YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE 2020 ELECTION. AND IT'S EVEN MORE TRUE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE EVEN FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TWO YEARS, THOUGH. I THINK WE HAVE UNTIL NOVEMBER 2022 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEMOCRATS RETAIN POWER IN THE HOUSE AND INCREASE THEIR MAJORITY IN THE SENATE, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T, THEN THAT GIVES DONALD A TWO-YEAR RUNWAY TO CONTINUE TO RIG THE SYSTEM IN HIS FAVOR, FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO FEEL COMPLETELY UNBOUND BY ANY RULES OR CONSTRAINTS. SO WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. AND I WISH MORE WERE BEING DONE TO HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY. IT'S NOT ABOUT REPUBLICANS VERSUS DEMOCRATS ANYMORE. >> MARY, SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE A LOT TO TURN THE FOCUS ON REPUBLICANS, USING REPUBLICANS IS LIZ CHENEY. AND I THINK THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS SUMMER WHERE SHE AND BENNIE THOMPSON AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE RELIED PRIMARILY ON REPUBLICAN MESSENGERS MAY HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON TURNING DEMOCRACY TO THE TOP TIER ISSUE FOR VOTERS. BUT LIZ CHENEY VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2020. I WELCOME HER TO THE FIGHT. BUT SHE THOUGHT HE WAS AN ACCEPTABLE CHOICE TO BE THE COUNTRY'S COMMANDER IN CHIEF IN NOVEMBER. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HOW LONG IT TAKES PEOPLE TO REALIZE HOW DANGEROUS HE IS? >> WELL, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE HE'S USEFUL TO THEM. LIZ CHENEY DID NOT OBJECT TO MOST OF WHAT DONALD WANTED PASSED AS LEGISLATION, OR WHAT HE WAS WILLING TO ALLOW IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. FOR HER THE LINE WAS INSURRECTION, WHICH AS YOU SAID, GOOD FOR HER. WELCOME TO THE FIGHT. BUT UP UNTIL THEN, SHE WAS PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF VOTING RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY. SHE IS PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT AMERICAN WOMEN ARE NOW SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND CANNOT HAVE ACCESS TO ADEQUATE HEALTH CARE IN MORE THAN HALF OF THE STATES IN THIS COUNTRY. SO, YOU KNOW, HER VISION -- HER DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY IS A QUITE NARROW ONE. AND THE DANGERS ARE MUCH BROADER THAN INSURRECTION, WHICH IS SHOCKING, BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY DANGEROUS THING, ISN'T IT? BUT WE SEE THE SUPREME COURT POISED RIGHT NOW TO CONTINUE TAKING A SLEDGE HAMMER TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL BE EMPOWERED TO DO AWAY WITH THE FEW REMAINING DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS WE HAVE. >> MARY, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT YOU DO HAVE MORE YEARS OF WATCHING DONALD TRUMP AND HIS PATTERNS AND HIS PATTERNS OF ENABLERS. HOW DO YOU THINK THE STORY ENDS? >> WOW. WELL, I -- I DON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY WITH ANY CERTAINTY HOW IT ENDS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU HOW IT SHOULD END. IT SHOULD END WITH HIM IN INDICTED AND CONVICTED AND -- WELL, ADEQUATELY PUNISHED. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER SEE DONALD IN PRISON. AND NOT JUST HIM. ALL OF HIS ENABLERS. IF WE ARE TO RESCUE OUR TWO-PARTY SYSTEM, IF WE ARE TO SET THINGS RIGHT, THEN ALL OF HIS ENABLERS ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, ALONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE WHO WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO SUPPORT AN INSURRECTION. BUT WE CANNOT COUNT OUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF JUSTICE DOESN'T COME SWIFTLY ENOUGH AND DONALD RECOGNIZES THE DANGER TO BE AS SERIOUS AS IT ACTUALLY IS, HE WILL RUN AGAIN BECAUSE HE WON'T HAVE A CHOICE. AND IF THAT IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR EVEN WORSE THAN WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IN TERMS OF THE INCITEMENT OF VIOLENCE, IN TERMS OF THE COOPERATING OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES IN
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