Mark Sievers Trial Day 2 - Curtis Wayne Wright - Cooperating Co defendant Part 1

[Applause] okay ready for the record both assistant state attorneys were present both defense counsel I am mr. Seavers state's ready to proceed defense is ready who you calling is his lawyer present when she's ready ever come over before we start ah no I don't I just want to make sure she got that email he missed her there she is now that both sides approach and Miss Parker come on down yes ma'am Miss Parker you ready okay for the record we still have both assistant state attorneys present both defense counsel and mr. Seavers Elizabeth state ready okay bring them out please be seated I'll ask our jurors again did you follow my instructions don't talk about the case among yourselves or with anybody else or lick offending the people or places involved even if you did so it inverting that would be the time to raise your hand and let me know for the record no jurors lifted their hand state next witness do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you Curtis Wayne right w RI ght mr. right who killed dr. Teresa severs Jimmy Rogers and I physically did it but uh Marc Sievers was also involved in the planning why did you do it I was asked to do it by home mr. Seavers as mr. Seavers in court today yes he is can you please point to mr. Seavers and identify him by an article of clothing he's the minute the middle gentleman there on the table the darker colored jacket and the record reflect that the defendant is the middle gentleman in the darker color jacket let the record reflect he's identified mr. Seavers okay mr. right I see here that you're in custody can you explain to us why you're in custody sir I'm not sure I understand the question you're under arrest right now yeah explain to us why you are under arrest for the murder of dr. Seavers and you were apprehended by the Lee County Sheriff's Office yes we're in Missouri and have you exercised your right to go to trial or have you exercised any other option regarding a disposition of your case I entered a plea agreement to help to cooperate and what is your understanding of the plea agreement to cooperate sir then I'm to testify truthfully in exchange for 25 year prison sentence so if you tell the truth you go to prison for 25 years yes what happens if you don't tell the truth the please off the table and I'm not sure how that would work with 25 years is off the table right I know 20 men I'm sorry so if you don't tell the truth do you believe you might get more than 25 years yes okay mr. right let me ask you some questions about yourself where are you from sir from st. Louis Missouri where are you born st. Louis County actual Township is called Kirkwood all but two years of my life and have you lived in the same general area of Missouri or have you lived in other areas yeah well within probably a 45-minute range did you go to school yep how far did you go sir some college and so you you finished grade school and did some college did you finish grade school yes and I graduated high school with a college prep diploma what did you major in or did you declare a major while you were in college I initially started out as an engineering but I got more into the computer side of it so did you undergo any other vocational training after you after you you stopped going to college yes I've been in and out of training most of my adult life being in the computer industry it changes so often that you have to constantly go back and get like certifications upgraded and when new languages come out you have to learn those a lot of it self-taught but you get the paper a tough to back it up so you you spend some time did you ever actually have any jobs working with computers yes what kind of jobs did you have mostly uh programming some repair but the core of what I did was also always in programming software development I've been disabled since 2005 I still do like I still help people out fix and viruses and fixing their computers and phones and things like that but it's on my own did you ever have an opportunity to help Marc Sievers out with his computer or computers yes do you have a family sir I do and are you married yes when did you get married May 2nd 2015 was that your first marriage no it wasn't married before that yes how many times three there are two others I'm sorry total of three do you have any kids I do how many three and their ages yes yeah my youngest is turning 16 in a few months then I have a 20 21 year old and then I have a 32 year old and mr. right have you been in trouble with the law before I have have you ever been convicted of a felony yes how many times sir I believe it was four I'm not really sure that because I've been only been arrested like three times but two of those times had additional charges combined so could it have been five times it could have been okay so you told us earlier that you were in custody because you had been involved in the death of dr. Teresa severs yes where were you when the where you when you became aware that there was an investigation into her death was it I was still in Missouri law enforcement officers come to Missouri they did and when they came to Missouri did you actually have contact with Lee County sheriff's deputies up in Missouri yes did they ask you about Europe if you had any involvement in the Teresa severs death yes yes did you tell them the truth no you lied to them I did at the time you lied to them did you have an attorney no why did you lie to protect me what me mark and Jimmy what do you said to protect me mark in Jimmy's that what you said yes you didn't want to get arrested no I would tried to derail throw the detectives off our track was the reason that I did I told them what I did but you got arrested anyway right yes and then at some point well did you get transported to Florida yes once you got here did you obtain counsel I did and do you recall how the discussion between your you and your attorney and the stage started yeah I met with my attorney and suggested you know potentially seeing what you know did I what was what was to be offered I if I helped I'm not really sure how the the process works but yeah I guess the better question I should have asked it did you want to cooperate with this day yes did anybody um in law enforcement tell you to cooperate no I mean at that point ya know if anybody in law enforcement during that initial discussion with your attorneys did they tell you what to say no and so after you you told your attorneys that you and your attorneys that you wanted to cooperate did you then have an opportunity to meet with the State Attorney's Office yes and do you recall who was there both detectives lebed and downs you were there I believe mr. Ross was there myself and my attorney and that was that the first meeting yes and what was the purpose of that first meet - uh for you to get an idea when I had to offer for me to get an idea of what you had - and did you tell us the truth not in the beginning started out with a lie well it started out with the truth but it it got off in the middle and then those those wives were corrected I told the truth before the end of that statement now did you understand do you understand the gravity of a meeting between you and your attorneys and assistant state attorneys in law enforcement under those circumstances yes but you still told them a lot yes why I still struggled with my own personal involvement in it the physical part of it and that's where the that's where I got off of it this couldn't quite let go of all of that and I took a break I talked to my attorney and I prayed okay so join that initial meeting you told us that you started out lying to us and you took a break yes I met with your attorneys yes and then then did you decide to tell the truth I did and then after that initial meeting proffer was there another meeting between the same parties month or two later yes and at that point you provided a sworn statement yes did you tell the truth then yes all right so do you understand that if you don't tell the truth today they're ramifications yes do you know Marc Sievers I do how do you know it we met in high school I believe it was either ninth or 10th grade and we've maintained their friendship over the years if you don't mind my asking how old are you 51 and I'm guessing you were in high school between the ages of 14 and 18 yes how old you were when when you met mr. Seavers it was either ninth or 10th grade so I think graduation is 17 isn't it someone I saw I'd been 15 or 16 probably we had we had girlfriends that were friends we met through them and when you met mr. severs you did the two of you instantly become close friends or were you just acquaintances who grew closer together as time passed I think the friendship is just grown I mean we met we got along had things in common so we kind of stay after high school we did at one point well when we kind of hit the college age we we we kind of went different ways we still stayed in contact but something had happened during that time period a few years there that mark mark got to where he was very difficult to be around did your friendship stay the same after high school no change yes now when you were in high school were you were you were you and when you when you and mr. severs were in high school were you in Missouri yes what part of Missouri were you in we went to high school and uh imperial which is just south of st. Louis I'm sorry I said the wrong town it's Arnold not Imperial I lived in Imperial but we went to school in Arnold okay sorry about that no problem two of you lived in the same school district yes when your friendship changed after high school did you still stay in close touch or it was an intermediate touch well we went to different or different schools and things so the frequency of our contact was was last time obviously but yeah we did we still got together I would go out he lived on campus and I would go out sometimes on the weekends and hang out so mister when you said earlier you did some college mr. Seavers also went to college yes you went to different colleges yes the two of you have the kind of friendship where people spend time at each other's homes yes spend their free time together yes was your friendship to kind of close friendship where you might tell secrets to one another confide in one another yes did you confide at mr. Seavers yes and did he confide in you yes now you said earlier that you kind of grew apart how long you know what was a time period that the two of you kind of were your friendship change and you weren't as close as you used to be that's a few years and then at some point the two of you get close again yes yes when was that in relation to 2015 at that time when we got close again yes early 90s well you told us earlier that you've been married twice twice before yes mr. Seavers come to any of your weddings well my first wedding we had in my house it was it was a private family only the second one was looks pretty similar it was just a couple people but my wife now is the one that I we had we had a real wedding yes your third wedding was one that mr. Seavers came to yes mr. Seavers ever get married yes did you I did who did you marry Teresa severs I don't know what her maiden name was the time you just knew her as Teresa I actually didn't know her at all we got introduced at the wedding so so prior to the wedding mr. Seavers hadn't told you about his fiancee yeah that was that was kind of during one of those times when we were talking less often not because we had problems but he had moved to Florida so that changed our so he'd moved to Florida he was I'm getting on with his life and you were getting on with yours yes both of our marriages my first marriage were within you know the same year for sure but I think within like six months of each other close again yes and did you have the same kind of friendship where you would confide in one another trust each other with secrets yes I think that that if you don't mind if I can clarify something I think when we are in high school I think the relationship was it was less deep so the the confiding end part of it really probably didn't happen until we we got close to after that I think that older yeah had you ever spent time with mr. Seavers and his family yes where when we were in school I spent time with him with his family and when we were still up in Missouri and then what about his current family well dr. Seavers and his daughters did you ever spend time with them I did um I didn't spend a much time with all of them together but I spent quite a bit of time with Mark and the children and did your you mentioned your youngest was 16 yes did your youngest ever associate with mr. severs the daughters yeah our uh my youngest and his oldest are within a few months of each other from the same age so when Mark would travel to Missouri he always had the girls with him so no we tried to always get together at some point did you ever develop also a business relationship with Marc Sievers and Teresa severs yes and you explained what kind of business relationship you had with them well their business obviously was a medical practice they have the software that they use for their patient patient management system that software has to be maintained there there's a constant change and like procedure codes and billing codes and things like that so that software has to be upgraded periodically there's a hardware updates and repairs and just general maintenance and you know tech support so they had hired a company to do that for him they weren't happy with them I think both with the price and with the quality of the of the service Marc asked me if it was something I could help them with was dr. Seavers medical practice here in Florida yes and we used to live in Missouri yes so how do you help somebody maintain a computer when the computer is all the way down in Florida and you're in Missouri well we have lots of tools for for doing remote configuration and support there was a couple two or three instances where I actually physically had to be here but other than that it was all done remotely and on the phone either I could either log in and do it myself or I could log in and explain to somebody else how to do it or help them do whatever it is they're trying to do so when you say remotely were you ever able to manipulate the medical practice computers from Missouri yes I'm sorry I didn't really explain that that's what I meant by remotely I'd I could take take control of any of the machines in the office the majority of what I did though it was on the server itself so it was uh didn't took care of backups and just you know I said any kind of upgrades or anything that needed to be done yeah well as far as like the tech support if they're having a trouble printing or or you know mark marks pretty handy with stuff like that so a lot of those the smaller type things he could take care of himself yeah all the time yeah if it was if I wasn't somewhere where I could actually access the system I would do that I had it set up on my phone where I could actually even take control of the machines from my from my cell phone it's kind of hard to work with a small screen so in those situations I would usually like view the screen and then walk somebody through is it on the phone with what to do so they could do it their self I was watching them then not at first but yeah we eventually entered into an agreement hundred dollars a month was there ever like a contract or not a written contract no old-school gentlemen's agreement I did it because he asked me to and did mr. severs pay you the hundred dollars per month as you agreed yes did you get paid every month or in increments no it was kind of sporadic so of it was whenever it was a good time for them to pay money it was tight I'd wait and sometimes they paid me early so yeah once I became disabled I mean you know I had limited income I meant their money like I said our friendship is you know in ongoing marks probably more familiar with some of my medical you know medical history then I am probably yeah I mean marks the kind of person that will take it on himself to you know to to look things up and if he thinks he can help you he would do it yes did you ever get medical help from dr. Seavers um yes certainly uh I guess the first question it was informed out I'd do a full exam no but did she sometimes help you yes usually it was through mark but and up until June of 2015 how long have you had you been working with the Seavers medical practice computers I'm not sure on the exact time range but it was a you know two to three years probably and whatever capacity and after you were taken into custody and Missouri did you continue working on the computers no no what by the time I got arrested I think everything was pretty well shut down so there wouldn't have been anything to to do even if I could did you receive payment for your services rendered to the Seavers medical practice in 2015 yes and how did they pay you uh it was I think all of them were through a company checks but I'm not sure that you got checks how did you get him uh they came to you in the mail yes if I could ask madam quarks assistance with Stacey's image number 60 and which also I believe will have 60 a [Applause] while she's doing that I'll just ask more questions all right so let's talk about your your wedding would you marry Angela and she now Angela right yes and you told us earlier that the wedding was on you said May 2nd yes 2015 yes and where was the wedding help we it was at a park we rented a pavilion and a gazebo and had a big cookout after the ceremony so we made a day of it and was that in Missouri or or here in Florida yes I'm sorry yes in Missouri that's uh the town was called DeSoto and how many people were invited to that wedding oh I'm not sure my wife kind of went crazy on that I think yeah probably 125 people and did you invite mr. Seavers to participate in that wedding yes I did we didn't have like a normal formal wedding where there were groomsmen and bridesmaids and things like that but I I had two people in my wedding that I considered them both best men and so mr. Seavers was a was a groomsman you invite him to be bruised man in your wedding yeah I mean like I said it best man I had to who was the other best man Tommy Martin was mr. Martin a friend of yours yes so did mr. Seavers actually arrive at Missouri to come to your wedding yes do you call when he when he arrived Oh see from the wedding was Saturday so Friday we got together in my house Thursday it was a bit so I don't know Wednesday or Thursday I'm not sure what the dates were prior to the wedding so you said Saturday was May 2nd yes as far as you know yeah I think so did mr. Seavers stay with you in missourian who do you have anywhere else to stay the night before the wedding he stayed with us um that's why I wasn't sure about what what day actually got there because he spent he owns a condominium that was rented out and he has a lot of things that were still stored there so the day before we all got together he spent that day at the condo cleaning and that night I believe yes that was my understanding the purpose of the gathering at your house we had a lot of people in from out of town I shouldn't say a lot we had other couples from out of town so our wedding was at noon in the park so we thought it would be better if we got everybody together um the day before we all hung out had a cookout and then that night we had a combined bachelor bachelorette party or we all went out together to a karaoke bar you mentioned at the beginning of our discussion that you and Jimmy killed dr. Seavers physically yes Jimmy Rogers was Jimmy Rogers against the wedding festivities that weekend yes what was your relationship with mr. Rogers it's friends where's your friendship with mr. Rogers the same kind of friendship that you had with mr. Seavers no I had your friendship with him lasted as long as the friendship you had with mr. Seavers no did mr. Rogers bring it bring a friend or date with him to the festivities yes Taylor Schumacher Schumacher I'm not sure how it's pronounced yes they actually got no they were engaged and they have a baby together so did mr. severs bring dr. Seavers with him no no okay by himself yes so the night of the wedding festivities the night before you got married you said there was cookout yeah it's kind of in the afternoon but yeah and then when we all went out that evening to your knowledge had mr. Rogers and mr. severs ever met before no not in person actually not even on the phone I'm sure that they both knew who each other were through me just from conversations mr. severs and mentioned a friend named Jimmy yeah I'm sure I did and you maybe had talked to mr. Rogers and mentioned a friend named Mark III know that I had talked to Jimmy and mentioned Mark because we had so much interaction almost daily with between the work stuff and during the festivities at your cookout did you ever see mr. severs miss Shumacher mocker mr. Rogers associated yeah I mean everybody was talking I wasn't really paying attention to anything that was said I wasn't part of the conversations but I mean everybody was talking it was just a good just a hangout no mr. Rogers and mr. severs become friends that night I wouldn't think that it would be called a friendship did you and I know I think I asked you before whether you have the same kind of friendship with mr. Rogers as you do with this receivers did you confide in mr. Rogers about things not really did he confide in you yeah had you met his lady friend Taylor Schumacher shoemaker prior to the your wedding festivities yes okay I'm going to show you state's exhibit 6860 be in six PC alright I'll show you okay do you recognize him yes what are they checks that I got from from the support that I did for receivers and there are checks that were made out to you yes yes ma'am okay I'm sorry I'm soft-spoken anyway but I'm kind of worse some water help probably okay thank you and I just ask that you speak up as much as you can okay it does but it's I'm pretty close to it already I kept hearing it start to ring one or Rohit's I tried to get real close thank you okay so getting back to 60 B C and D those are checks from the severs medical practice I think you said yes all right and what were those checks for uh for the work I did at the severs two of them work for work you did for the severs yes let's talk first about 60 see how much does that check for a thousand and that's a thousand dollar check from the severs severs medical practice to you yes and what was the purpose of that thousand dollar check and it would have just covered whatever the months were I mean I don't know like I said it wasn't broken down into said payments so see first medical service medical practice servers yes okay what's 60d it's a $400 check the same yes what about 60 B B is a check that mark sent me because I didn't have the money to cover the trip down to commit the crime okay so the thousand dollar check and the 400 dollar check were payments for the work you did on the servers yes well the $600 check was there was no money due and at the point when when he told me when that he wanted this done I didn't have the extra money to make the trip my car was in the shop I needed to run a car and what bank are those checks drawn our Bank of America or at this time the state as a self medicating business record states exhibit number 68 your objections noted for the record will show it admitted show them admitted man publish it sir all right I'm going to show first 60b okay 60 B you see that 600 1400 thank you sir so if you were getting $100 per month for assisting the Seavers medical practice was about $1200 per year yes so by June was a June 9th the day of that's $600 check you'd already been paid for the year yes and tell us what you did with $600 at mr. Singh's Tuesday I used a hundred of it for the rental car and the remaining 500 I used for the trip to pay for Jimmy and I need to come down and back it was a Hyundai yeah and I think it was white how many rental cars - well I the first one came from from the car accident that's the shop you know directed that there was an enterprise the second one well it was a one-week rental and when the rental was up my car still wasn't ready and the price was gonna go up on it so we switched to rental car companies to find we found another one with the same price so we switched to I think it was a Budget rental car rental company from the enterprise yes and then when you got back to Missouri you turned it in yes and did you go anywhere with the second rental car yeah my wife and I drove that back down for the funeral and to help out help the family with arrangements and things so after you were involved in a death of dr. Seavers you drove down to help her family yes let's talk a little bit more about the wedding okay so at some point prior to your wedding did mr. Seavers asked to speak with you did you say you said prior to right yes the night before they the night before he came to Missouri he sent me a text message telling me that he had something personal that he needed to talk to me about it didn't say what it was but he said that he'd hoped that we'd have some time to to be able to talk privately yes and so you said earlier that he had arrived at some point either the night before or two nights before your the celebration at your home did he ever tell you why he wanted to speak with you not until not until the night before the wedding or the day before the wedding when he came to the house with everybody else was this by text message as well person well when he came to the house we talked in person so there wasn't anything else said about it until he came to the house the night before the wedding when you were having the festivities at your house yes yes yes at some point during that the day that afternoon he asked me if we could go somewhere and talk privately so we went back to uh went to my bedroom closed the door where where that could happen and we went into your bedroom and closed the door was there anybody in there with you no just you and mr. Seavers yes that's why we went to that bedroom and when the two of you went into the into your bedroom was there anybody else present in your house uh there was a lot of people in and out of the house between the yard and now sighs I don't know who was there at the time so you were this is the day you were having your entertaining guests at your home yeah and mr. Seavers you and mr. Seaver has separated yourselves from the rest of the group yes all right so when you're in your bedroom what did you do mr. Seavers well let me ask you this did he tell you what it was he texted you about wanting to talk to you about yes why what do you tell you he told me that they he and treesa were having having problems marital problems told me that she was having an affair and that they were having financial problems as well uh considering bankruptcy did you believe mr. Seavers when he was telling you these things yes did you have any proof that she was having an affair that they were having any financial problems anything like that no she was word for it yes what else did he tell you well we can it we talked a little bit about you know just different options that it was a short conversation because we got interrupted you know at one point he he brought up he said a hypothetical situation where if kids were gonna be taken away in you know and putting into some kind of danger that if I knew somebody that would be willing to help them we didn't get into the specifics but my take on it at the time was maybe to have this guy run off beat up yes people were looking for us obviously there's some other people around so nobody yeah they couldn't find us so they come looking to speak with mr. C or did mr. Seavers seek an opportunity to speak with you again yes when the next morning at the we were getting ready for the wedding yes the morning of the wedding of your wedding mr. Seavers wanted to talk to you again about his marriage yes where did that conversation happen at the park while we were getting ready there was a point where it was just him and I again I'm sorry and one of the reasons we had everybody at the house was so that we could all meet at the park the next morning because it was an outside wedding so we had to decorate you know and things I borrowed chairs and tables from our church and we had everybody had to come and set everything out so mark and I were actually getting I think we were actually getting dressed when that's gotten when this conversation happened but it was it was while we were kind of getting things organized yeah yes no I have a friend that owns a small grocery store name's TK TK not sure what his real name is that's uh but that's what he goes by yeah because he's he's in the grocery business he has a wholesale account at a restaurant restaurant supply place where they said all the bulk food and things so he had offered to let me use his his account as membership to go and buy everything that we needed so we could buy it at wholesale so that's how we got that sorry yes yes much discounted okay so that Saturday now you're out there at the park you get things together yes I think you said you thought you and mr. Seavers were getting dressed I think that's during the time when this conversation happened he brought the situation back up this time he told me that Theresa was actually leaving him the night before it was just that she was having an affair but so at this point it's getting a little more a little more involved he said that she was actually having that she was actually leaving him that she was taking the the children and taken amount of state your close friend mr. Seavers is telling you in a day of your wedding to his wife's leaving him yes he was kidding no what was his demeanor like do you appear serious yes you told us earlier the two of you were close friends so when he told you about this did you believe he was telling you the truth yes all right so now he's telling you while you're getting ready he's telling you he thinks his wife's leaving him no not that he thinks he said she was he told me that uh did that the kids were in danger if she took him that uh that he that he couldn't let that happen we talked about some different options as far as the marriage goes I mentioned you know that about fighting or illegally for custody you said that that wasn't that wasn't an option he didn't have that he wasn't financially in a place that he could be able to fight her for that just just a couple other different different things I think we talked about maybe counseling yeah yeah I mean I guess that would be a good way to describe it I mean I think a ways of saving the marriage I I believe he said that they tried tried counseling and it it didn't work we got interrupted the reason I'm not sure what else was said we got interrupted in the middle of that conversation so on the way but went on the way from my house to the park I stopped by TK's to pick up the food cuz he didn't not only did he let me purchase all this food through his account he let me store it in his walk-in cooler and this walk-in freezer at the store so I went by the store to pick up all the meat on the way to the park thought we had everything but uh once we got down there and people started getting ready to start cooking and things we realized that there was like a whole case of meat missing as well and so yes he's he's got a little Adelie in the store it's uh it's kind of like a kwik-e-mart kind of thing yeah well it could mean big trouble the uh you know the first thing I did was I I called TK and asked him if he could check in this cooler and see if I missed something he went and looked and said yeah that it was there was a box sitting in there and just somehow I got missed somebody had to go pick it up any volunteers yeah Marc offered to drive us over to pick it up I'm sorry yeah Marc offered to take me to TK's to pick the meat up and bring it back for you know and how far was your friend TK's kwik-e-mart from you said was a DeSoto park yeah far as the kwik-e-mart from the DeSoto Parkway we're 20 minutes at the most are things kind of things close together or spread out it's pretty rural everything seems to be twenty minutes from all right so mr. Seavers volunteered to drive you back over to TK's kwik-e-mart to pick up the box and meet you left there yes mr. severs to pick up the meat yes other than you and mr. severs and anybody else go with you no yes [Music] a vehicle that he but he had yeah I think it was a rental car that he got when he got down here uh got up there yes it was a continuation of of the same conversation so he brought it up again told me you know that uh you know that he did she was leaving him dead he couldn't let her take the kids away from him and again said that they were in danger some kind of danger without him there to be able to protect him yeah we talked about some more out this really was the same options just brought backup and uh when we kind of make is aw stood that he told me that really the only option that he had was for her to die um and he said that he needed to have her killed okay pick up we meet for your wedding mr. Seavers was telling you that he wants to have his wife killed yes he asked me to help him I mean what kind of help was he asking for was he asking you to do it yourself or or what like what kind of help could he be possibly asking his friend for know he know it was pretty direct he asked me to if I could I would kill her or take care of it and what did you what was your response when he asked you to help him kill his wife I was surprised first I mean are the two of you that were the two of you that close mr. right then I mean mr. severs could ask you to kill his wife and you would actually consider it yes I mean definitely the asking part I questioned whether or not actually I questioned whether or not actually doing it was should have been part of the friendship but all right so join this conversation between the park and TK's you said now mr. Seavers wants your help having his wife killed yes um not specifically uh when he when he asked I you know I asked when what kind of time frame he was looking at he said that as soon as possible uh I I'm not sure when if she had told him when she was leaving but seemed to sound like it was coming up sooner yeah definitely I think ASAP was actually the term he used I it was left with I would see what I could do I didn't I didn't really see myself personally doing it but part of what the way that it was asked was if I you know if I could make sure it got done so there's a matter of yes and the requests to speak with you about it happened the day before the day before that the first text about one and ends with you yes two days before that yes and the first conversation that your house was on May 1st yes okay so at any point during the journey to drive either to TK's I'm guessing it was another 20 minutes back to the park picked up to me yes did you actually go back to the park yes did you agree to actually kill dr. Seavers no I I it was left with I would see what I could do I had asked him about you know if this was gonna happen you know what you know what kind of money would be available so he had told me that it was uh that they had a lot of insurance on a lot is what he said he didn't tell me any amounts but the said that there was a lot of insurance that him and the kids would be well taken care of and that he had at least $100,000 to offer to have it done so mr. severs was was he offering you a hundred thousand dollars to kill dr. Seavers it was he how offering $100,000 to whoever did it oh he he would if it wasn't going to meet me personally I was going to be the middle person so he didn't want if there was someone else involved he didn't want him to know who he was so you were gonna get a hundred thousand dollars yeah yes yes the specifics of how that would be that would be given what we didn't talk about I don't know if it was going to be all cash or if it would be some property I wasn't sure did you believe that if you did what mr. Seavers was asking of you that you would actually get paid somehow yes you trusted him to do that yes was there ever a discussion between the two of you during on your wedding day about how the two of you would communicate with each other when he returned back to Florida yeah while we were still in the car on the way back kind of after we had talked about everything else he said that you know that we couldn't talk about this on our regular cellphones once he left just because it's not secure it would be our everyday phones we both used for everything so didn't want any of that being involved on our cellphones our regular phones yeah he suggested using like the anonymous prepaid calls like the go phones from Walmart he told me that when he got home he was gonna go get one and that he would uh wanted me to do the same yes had you agreed at this point that you were going to help Marc Sievers Teresa severs no you were considering it though right I it was left with I would see what I could do and then so did you actually get married yes and did you have any more discussions with mr. Seavers about this request of his on May 2nd no when was the next time you had a discussion with him about it Oh an actual discussion or any communication I'm not sure which broad term but was the next time you had communication there was some some text you know vague stuff text messages a phone call about whether or not got the farm a couple of days after he got home he got his phone or the next day I'm not sure which but yeah he went ahead and went and got a phone and then he sent me I think it was a card but he sent me a card in the mail that had the phone number to his prepaid call or his prepaid phone number in it yes oh [Music] no this was May 5th or something like that it was just a couple of days after he got back that he had the phone and then he said then he mailed me the information mr. Seavers money would have been good so did you did you ever actually make a decision about whether or not he was going to get the help from you that he was asking for yes I did it was a couple weeks after the wedding before I actually made the made the commitment I didn't get up I didn't get our phone a second phone right away some of the communication between us was asking if I had my phone yet the I delayed doing that because I wasn't I wasn't sure what my involvement or if any would be now you told us you told us earlier at the beginning of your testimony you and Jimmy Rogers came down and did this so how did Jimmy Rogers if you and my receivers are having these discussions death of his wife how did Jimmy Rogers get involved Jimmy and a little bit of background Jimmy has let me know in the past that he's Jimmy has let me know in the paths that his past criminal activity that that he's been involved in things like this so so the only person that I know that might have wanted to be involved in this would have been Jimmy so that's why the two-week period was significant because I got my cell phone my other phone that anonymous call for the anonymous phone we referred to him as our other phones just so that you kind of keep it straight I got my other phone on May 17th and I got it right after I spoke to Jimmy I went and talked to Jimmy in person and told him that you know there was a job you know not specifics about who or or anything but made sure that it was something he wanted to get involved in he was he was on board so I I don't know that I would call him that but he's I know that he's been involved and other deaths well I believe that he was somebody that would actually do it so now when you talked to mr. Rogers about he said there was a job right when you talked to him did you tell mr. Seavers that you were talking to Jimmy Rogers no did you tell Jimmy Rogers that you had been talking to Marc Sievers no Marc didn't want anybody else to know if if there was someone else involved he didn't want to know who it was and didn't want that person to know who he was I was in-between person so there was never any direct communication between the two of them okay so you said after speaking with mr. Rogers you made the decision to do this yes and what was when you made this decision were you going to hire mr. Rogers to do it for you or you were you going to participate in the crime yourself I wasn't sure how much of my how much I would personally be involved in it in the beginning I had I had hired him to do it or help get it done so my next question Rogers and how was Jimmy Rogers going to get paid it would have been through me I would have been the one paying Jimmy I was going to split with Jimmy whatever cash portion of of the payment was since that was an unknown there wasn't there wasn't a set amount that I wanted to promise okay so you talked earlier about the Lord other other phones was why is the word other significant when referring to the burner phones you you were telling us about well I mean mark marker I either one or like into this type of criminal activity so the I've heard lots of terms since this happened the burner phones and leather I forget there's two or three other terms I've heard used for those kind of phones but we said other it was our other phone codes that you would use yes come up with the plan and he let me know that if that since we weren't gonna have these phones turned on all the time that if we needed to talk to each other privately or anything to do with the crime itself did that we would use the word other in a text between our regular phones so that was kind of the the code tell us to you know turn on the phone and be waiting for a call if you sent if for example you sent a message to mr. severs with the word other in it that was a message to him to activate his other phone yes and vice versa off he sent a message to you with the word other in it he was telling you to activate your other phone yes okay so did you and mr. Seavers ever decide on how when where dr. Seavers his life was supposed to win yeah yeah once I had gotten my phone in place and we both had each other's numbers all of the all of the planning of this was all done on those other phones so we kind of skipped a little bit of that I don't know if ever if you're coming back to it yes there were multiple places that were potential that he had he had brought to me as these are his ideas of where and how I should happen it wasn't until a couple weeks before the trip that that time period was was actually chosen we were actually talking I think the only texts that were done on him was the very first probably to the one that that's how I gave him my phone number my other phone number was I texted my number to his his other and then let him know on his regular phone to check his other Shawn sent a message that said something like check other yeah I'm not sure what the what it was but yeah it would have been something like that okay so let's talk about the plan you said the two of you had voice communications over the other phones on how this was supposed to happen how did you did you initially come up with this plan for dr. Seavers to died her home the way she did or was there some other plan that was one of the to the to know if I should call them plans but one of the two options or locations I should say there were possibilities let me be sure that I'm getting this correctly these are conversations between you and Marc Sievers yes possibilities yes and not you and Jimmy Rogers right what were these other possibilities for how dr. Seavers well initially Marc's idea was that it would happen at the office at the medical office then when when she got off work because generally she worked late and you know you usually come out by herself it's a kind of the office is off off the road quite a bit so it's kind of a secluded area back there I thought that that would be an ideal place for a mugging to happen there was a suggestion was either to you know well it would be to for this to happen as soon as she left work she had to walk along the side of the building up to the parking lot to get to her car he had given me he had me pull up aerial photos like from Google Maps so that he could talk me through what he was talking about he showed me where there's a there's a side entrance where a stairwell comes down that's where she exited at so he gave me the the code the push-button code to that door so that I could either wait inside the stairwell or the other option was right outside of that door there was and I don't know if it was trash cans or air conditioners or something but there was a barricade around that so it was uh I mean you had to like there was a blind spot where he had to walk past as when she left that door I had but I've never been in that side area when when you and what was the purpose for your prior visit to that medical office working on the computers and when you went to work on the computers did you go on some other entrance or something yeah there's there's like two main entrances but there's a there's a front entrance that you go in where the lobbies at and then you go up that way their office was on an upper floor so I had I had never been any time I was there I was always with mark and we came in the front and left that that way so I wasn't you know I'd been to the office but the their office wasn't the only one in that building so I wasn't I was familiar with the office but not really the whole building yeah I pulled it up he must have had it pulled up on his end as well but I was looking at the aerial photo and he was talking me through the plan yeah it would have been a computer a tablet phone something I'm not sure which which it was at the time yeah an access to a lot of equipment so you don't remember which one you use is leading do you remember which one I'll rephrase do you remember which device you use to look up Google Maps no I don't okay so all these discussions are having are being had on the on the other phones during these discussions on the other phones were you still doing work for the severs medical practice yes what kind of work were you doing during these discussions there's mostly just check technical support you know making sure backups were being done things like that but if somebody was having a problem whether multiple times we had had problems with the facts the facts system for the problems with the facts oh yeah I'm sorry yes fa X I'm sorry yeah the with the way the medical stuff works the the labs are still operating on fax machines not physical machines that print out paper but you know they're the computer faxes fax modems so but the software answers the phone and then it files it and so when those test results come back and they get all that stuff goes into the medical software let me see if I understand this so you're you're still working for the series medical practice but you've also got this other plan that's going on with with mr. severs yes and you work for the severs medical practice did you have any travel plans the summer of 2015 to come to the Cirrus medical practice for some reason yeah there was a major upgrade didn't needed to happen on the servers on the on the software that I say on the server it wasn't hard where it was software upgrades because the the procedural all the procedure codes my understanding of what what it was was the procedure codes for like what tests procedures that you have done er the the communication between like the hospitals and all of that every everything's done on codes with insurance and things so there was a major upgrade a bunch of that had changed and so it was kind of a mandatory upgrade that had to happen and I was gonna need to be there in person to do that sent you the $600 for you and and mr. Rogers to come down here and kill dr. Seavers because you didn't have the money so how were you gonna get here to do that upgrade well anytime that I've had to come down Mark's taking care of all my expenses so if I flew down they bought their fare you know took care of any of my expenses so I had planned the trip but I hadn't I hadn't firmed up like I hadn't coordinated with mark what weekend we were gonna do it because it needed to happen on a weekend because you know I need you know I needed to be the the office needed to be offline for when I when I was working on it so they were closed to half a day on Friday and the closed Saturday and Sunday so any weekend would have been fine yeah I had I had I had kind of picked that same weekend unfortunately to come down I hadn't made those arrangements with mark but that's kind of I plant my planning was going around that the upgrade had to be in place I think it was August I don't know if it was the beginning or the end now but I believe it was August that that that upgrade had to be and operational so it had to happen sometime you know within those couple of months and I didn't want to wait till the very last minute to do it so did you tell people in Missouri that you were coming down here coming to Florida to do some work yes I did now at some point did mr. severs get with you who about a date that about a date or date supposed to yes when did he get with you about that huh I'm not sure I'm not certain of the timeframe but I think it was maybe a couple weeks before there was a trip he told me that they had a family trip they were all going out of town to uh New York or Connecticut or I can't remember where the family's from but they were all getting together with Teresa's family he told me that that Teresa was going to be returning home on Sunday night late Sunday night by herself and that Mark and the kids were staying for an extra three days there'd be back on Wednesday yeah we didn't talk about that but when you asked me about in these con phone conversations and what the options were the office was one of them the other was the house so the the issue with it being at the house would be coordinating it so that Mark and the kids weren't there to make sure that their there was no danger for them so that was a concern with the house situation but he said that if it were to happen at the house and we could coordinate that that that he would leave the horn off and the door's unlocked and things like that I one of my concerns was with with the office location his suggestion was to use a gun and my concern was that when I told up he said that she leaves by herself most of the time so when I when I you know I I told him my concern about whether or not she would if what would happen if she wasn't by herself he told me that uh that there couldn't be any witnesses and there wouldn't it would have to be collateral damage and killed the person that was with her and I that wasn't there wasn't an option for me no no and so from the very beginning when the gun was brought up I mean not gonna I don't own a gun and I'm not gonna be travelling across state lines with a gun in the car yes so driving from Missouri to Florida with gun and guns in the car is that a good idea for the both of you No all right so you still hadn't solidified at this point with mr. receivers as to whether or not this thing was supposed to happen at the office or at the home right um when the when the trip got planned that eliminated the issue with with him and the girls being in any danger so he uh he told me that that's when he wanted it done that either Sunday when she got home or Monday or Tuesday when she left work as long as it was done before he got back yes so he told me that he was leaving everything on you know leading leaving does door unlocked he gave me the code to open the garage door opener and to turn off the alarm he said the alarm wouldn't be armed anyway but he gave me the code so no I had no reason to ever have that I was always with mark I had no reason to have that okay so in the meantime did you also simultaneously have well strike that while you the mr. severs are planning now you plan to come down on June 28th did you also make plans with Jimmy Rogers for the trip yes well I mean the plans for the trip was more made from the beginning but as far as that time slot I told Jimmy that that's when we needed to go and I mean are you asking me the specifics about how the trip happened mr. Rogers made if you also made plans with mr. Rogers for him to come down with him it's a better question yes you also make plans thanks for helping did you also make plans with mr. Rogers for that trip on the weekend of Sunday June 28th yes and at this point had you told mr. Seavers about mr. Rogers agreement no I never did I I didn't have any intention on him finding out who it was but he figured it out so yes we did have a discussion but it wasn't until right before we left within a you know a week or so before we left and at that point he you know he said he already knew I was so that's the reason we had the conversation all right so now that you mr. Seavers have decided on that at least the range of dates of the murder did you and mr. Rogers then set out to come to Florida yes when did you leave and we left Saturday morning around 8 o'clock in the morning not sure the date I'm sorry but it was the Saturday so it would have been yeah that was the car the first rental car is the one that we came down in Jimmy and I did and no marks idea was that if it was going to happen at the house that you know that he thought that making it look like she had it she came home and interrupted a burglary in progress or something like that so huh I think the weapon would be something that was at the house is how I looked at it so there was we didn't bring any weapons with us when you say we've didn't bring any weapons with you mr. Rogers yes we as mr. Rogers and I yeah did he bring anything with him to Florida yes what did he bring he brought two he's like one-piece coveralls there was something he weren't used at work but he brought those broad duct tape latex gloves industrial kind coveralls to Florida in June not to leave evidence you and mr. Rogers were going to use these coveralls yes and the gloves and duct tape were also somehow going to be used with the suits yes I didn't actually realize he brought those things until we were on the way down but yeah when he showed them to me he you know he was talking about that you put the gloves on the suit on and then you can duct-tape the cuffs of both the ankles and the arms to make sure not that hair doesn't fall out or something so mr. Rogers explained to you how yes have you been to the place where mr. Rogers works no I was working at a time but I had seen the suits before had you been trained and decontamination procedures or anything like that no all right so you did you drive all the way down here or did you stop on the way no we stopped quite a few times but we drove straight through no no I was just rest up sand gas stations and did you actually arrive in Fort Myers yes six I'm not sure the exact time but it was about six o'clock in the morning Sunday morning and when you arrived at Fort Myers where was the first place that you went oh we got off the highway I'm Bonita speech Road Bonita Beach is one of the the beaches that I know where things are at so I'm not real familiar with this area but I know where some of the main things are and so that happened to be the exit we got off on which is also the exit that marks House is right off of so we got off the highway and we were headed towards the beach and I pointed the house out to Jimmy and then we made the decision to stop and check it out since it was 6:00 in the morning there was nobody out in the yards or of and wanted to see the house well you know I I knew where the house was at and how it was laid out but Jimmy needed to know to see how the house was laid out we needed to check one of the things mark did told me that he did as part of the preparation was uh there was some brush I'm not sure exactly what it was something that would scratch you it on they have a tall privacy fence and nylon fence and there's a there was a spot in the back where you could go over that fence so his idea was to actually go over that fence and then enter the house through the side door of the garage and he said that he trimmed back all that brush to make sure that nobody got scratched and left blood or something so he said that he actually went over it himself to make sure that it was it was realistic so mr. Seavers explained to you that he'd actually climbed over the fence in his yard to make sure that he didn't get scratched by the by the brush in the backyard yes so at six o'clock in the morning on the Sunday the 28th when you arrived did you use that method of entry going over the fence over the brush and into the side door did you use some moment you need a restroom break okay stop right there I'll instruct the jurors not to talk about the case but themselves or with anybody else or link up in any people or places involved we'll be with you momentarily please be seated Miss Parker if you're set for a sentencing next week I think do you mind if we put that off okay we can always advance enough dirty okay five minutes yes or so okay we'll be in recess

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Published: Fri Nov 22 2019