Mark Bell's Power Project EP 267 - Dr. Ken Berry Author of Lies My Doctor Told Me

I think something that's really cool about quest nutrition is that it just started out as an idea and it started out with rod panas wife making some protein bars for some people in their office when Ron had a job in a tech tech business everybody in the office actually really liked him a lot and then it just kind of took off from there and it the rest is kind of history but when they came out with their protein powder a few years ago I thought it was brilliant that they made it and they designed it specifically so you can cook with it so yeah you can mix it up in a shake and have a good protein shake but now you can bake with it you can make cookies and brownies and all kinds of cool things so I think that's a pretty interesting side of it I can't wait for my girlfriend to give that a shot cuz she loves to bake but I have no skill baking so it's gonna be good I don't know how to bake either it's like complex has a lot of measuring right mm-hmm I don't know anything about any of that 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reduction is amazing it's unbelievable how how much less fat is in the Piedmontese beef versus some of the other companies you look at their rib eye right their USDA prime rib eyes normally 30 grams of fat Piedmontese is 10 saturated fat normally 14.5 Piedmontese is 4.5 they literally cut it in what it's a third of the amount of fat there these cows jacked and tan or yeah and the proteins more like you usually it has 24 grams of protein and Piedmontese and your normal USD Prime has 19 that I literally don't understand how these crazy scientists make this happen are these natty cows I think these are natty cows from Nebraska which makes sense because everything's bigger and better in Nebraska or maybe that's Texas I think that's the brand jutsu I guess where can they find out more about piedmontese beef all right you guys could get lean just like mark bell and head over to Piedmont is calm that's piee d mo NT es e calm enter the promo code power project that's all one word for 25% off your order along with free two-day shipping on all orders of $99 and above all right so you'll mark how to hear about these perfect keto bars well I've been stuffing them in my face that's one way I've been hearing about them I you know I I've been in contact with a perfect keto company for a little while they make some really good products they have some good ketone products and actually probably maybe like over a year ago I tried one of their ketone products and it didn't taste that good but the good news is they updated and created new flavors and they did a better job the second time around they didn't give up and they made a much better tasting ketone product but these bars even right off the get-go the bars were perfect you know they made they made a really good bar they made a bar that's not that's not going to you know knock you out of ketosis which is kind of hard to find a lot of the bars have sugar or they have a lot of you know hidden junk in them that can knock you out of ketosis these bars have a good amount of fat in them so they give you some good energy and on top of that they taste good I've been kind of addicted I got to admit to the chocolate chip cookie dough yeah that's your favorite that's my favorite one about second one uh I like the salted caramels pretty good but the there's one of them has one of them has macadamia nut in it and I don't know which one that is but that one's that one's really good and they made a new one they made a cinnamon roll one ooh and that one's really is good yeah you guys got to try Andrew Wood what Andrew would be eating a the crap out of those cinnamon roll ones I know for sure that sounds good so if anybody wants to check out any of the bars from perfect Quito you can head over to perfect key TOCOM slash power project and use promo code power project all one word for 15% off all perfect Quito products yeah great to have you on the show today appreciate you coming on yeah thanks thanks a lot Fred mark tell Chris I said hey what's up yeah I will for sure yeah that's right you know be great to dive in on on the topic of meet because when I make posts you know I primarily do a carnivorous diet I still eat I still eat some vegetables here and there and obviously like just like most people I go off my diet here and there and I'll eat you know ice cream or something like that on occasion but for the most part I eat meat and I eat eggs but the question I get asked the most is always about cholesterol like what about your cholesterol aren't you concerned about your cholesterol and what do you think are the main like perpetrators of of not just cholesterol necessarily but maybe you know in in in causing elevated cholesterol levels that are alarming people and then also like you know is cholesterol having cholesterol skewed is that even like a bad thing sure so in it when I first started practicing almost 20 years ago if your total cholesterol was elevated then that concerned a doctor greatly that you were at increased risk of heart attack stroke and so we would tell you things like you know stop eating so much saturated fat jog eat more whole grains and fruits and take a statin like zocor lipitor Crestor but as time is going on more and more research is coming out and so basically if anyone listening if your doctor is worried that your total cholesterol is high and that that is a risk factor for heart attack and stroke then your doctors at least 10 years behind in his or her reading total cholesterol has not been a elevated cholesterol has not been a marker of concern in many years and so don't worry about your total cholesterol whether it's normal whether it's high I might worry about if it's really low but I don't care what your total cholesterol is and no informed health care providers should care about your total cholesterol now LDL is a little bit different animal low-density lipoprotein cholesterol still worries many doctors and obviously still worries the American cardiology you know gurus but there's more and more emerging research coming out every day and also suppressed research and research from huge studies that just wasn't published because it really didn't toe the party line back then that LDL is also either not a marker of elevated cardiac risk or is a very minor marker and so if you have your cholesterol your lipid panel numbers we could definitely go over one by one but I'm much more concerned as a primary care provider with your glucose metabolism is and what your insulin metabolism is and what your markers of inflammation are so I would I would much rather know what your hemoglobin a1c is what your C peptide is what your HSC RP and your homocysteine and your Farrington levels are because all the all the research is pointing to the fact that it's all about being hyperinsulinemic being hyperglycemic and being inflamed those are actually the things that cause the damage to the arteries in your heart into your brain that lead to the buildup and so basically your body is using cholesterol as kind of spackle so when the inflammation and when the chronic elevations of all these markers causes damage to your artery your body then uses cholesterol kind of a spackle to try to here patch over the damage in that artery and so we really shouldn't be looking at cholesterol as the marker because it's really not cholesterol sisters your body's attempt to heal the damage that was done by the chronically elevated blood sugar serum insulin in inflammation and that makes a lot of sense do you think that um do you think that it's mainly like sugar or overeating like what do you think is causing people's arteries to get clogged well it's it's coming from eating a highly processed nutrient depleted diet that's for the average person in in some you know Western society that's the problem is you're eating lots of whole grains because you thought they were good for you because your doctor lied to you about that you're eating lots of fruits and you're eating lots of honey and agave nectar either because your doctor lied to you about that and told you that was healthy or you know your whatever health guru d'azur that you happen to be following lately told you to stop eating sugar and start eating honey because it's got magical properties and it or start eating a organic non-gmo agave nectar because that's a gift from the Creator and there's no way that could hurt you but in reality what we really need to be focused on is what spikes your blood sugar because anything that does that in an occasional spike I don't think it's probably a big deal and then and we can get back to your your ice cream binges in a minute if you want to but I think that's that's ancestrally quite appropriate to occasionally have a glucose spike but the problem is when people have daily glucose and insulin spikes or when they have you know glucose and insulin spikes multiple times a day that's what leads to all of the all the damage that we're talking about here and then if you're eating things that the human body really isn't evolved to eat like grains like sugar like industrial seed oils then you're gonna be chronically inflamed and in some people that will show up as gut symptoms and some people that will show up as joint symptoms in other people they can actually show up as mental symptoms like depression anxiety OCD and and things like that you know I think when people hear industrial seed oil they might think like what the heck's that I don't even think I eat that but it's in like 80% of our foods or something like that isn't it yeah yeah you eat any processed food when I say processed food basically any food that comes in a plastic bag or a cardboard box it has industrial seed oil in it almost without exception and so the the industrial seed oils that I think are one of the most prominent poisons in modern society would include things like canola oil corn oil soybean oil sunflower oil safflower oil soybean oil I don't know if I said that or not and then canola I think you know that's probably the biggest one of all but any oil that comes from a seed that has to be sent to a factory and chemicals and heat used to extract it and then be odorants and detergent used to clean it up and make it so it so that it doesn't stink and that it doesn't have much of a taste those are industrial seed oils now you can get oil out of some fruit seeds like coconuts and avocados and olives you can get oil from those pretty naturally and we've been doing that for thousands of years but no one ever got seed from uh from I mean oil from a cotton seed or a rapeseed or even a sunflower seed until just really less than a hundred years ago and so there's no way that you can think that the human body has evolved to be able to use that as a real nutria nutrition nutritional food it within the last 50 years it's just not possible the human body does however know exactly what to do with natural oils like tallow beef bacon grease chicken suit any kind of animal fat we've been eating that for millions of years we know exactly what what exactly like just real quick what problems are those vegetable oils actually causing I don't know did we did you mention that like the issues that they're actually giving us yeah I think our body doesn't really know what to do with them and so you really wind up with two problems with them all the all of the vegetable seed oils or industrial seed oils like canola cottonseed oil and people don't realize that Crisco and I can't believe it's not butter margarine vegetable shortening all these things are artificially created in a factory they call it vegetable oil but there ain't no vegetables in there right it's it's oil that's extracted from these seeds that are not only by Nature and they did that because there's no saturated fat in them and so back in the you know 60 70 and 80s we thought that's where good health was was trying to avoid saturated fat so I think the two problems you wind up with is you wind up with inflammation in the gut which can then be translated to any different part of your body but also we have to remember that our every cell in our body has a cell membrane right can't function without a good cell membrane and so that cell membrane is made up of a phospholipid bilayer and so it's got fat coming and going it's actually two molecules stuck tail to tail that's what protects that that cell from the outside environment if you're not eating enough good saturated fat getting enough cholesterol then you're gonna have improper fats become a part of that cell membrane which leads to cell either malfunction or dysfunction or just lack of function and so you basically got a crippled cell that's made of fats that we shouldn't be eating in the first place that our body doesn't even really know what to do with but when you overload the body with these fats from these industrial seed oils then you get malformed cell member cell membranes this also happens in another very important cell organelle you guys might have heard of called mitochondria mitochondria actually have two of these phospholipid bilayers it has an outer membrane and an inner membrane and I mean it's it's very common knowledge these days in people who are like trying to be the healthiest they can be that mitochondrial health is huge you have to have healthy vibrant vigorous mitochondria or you're not gonna have energy you're not gonna be able to build muscle so if you're building your outer and inner mitochondrial membranes with the wrong kinds of fats then you're you're gonna have mitochondrial dysfunction and that's it might be minor it might be major but you're you're gonna have short-lived mitochondria and mitochondria that don't function at the optimal level that's gonna affect you in the gym and in every other part of your life and so with that I think those are the two big things is the inflammation because it's kind of a foreign product to our bodies but when you're when your body goes like okay I got to build some outer membranes for all these mitochondria I need some fat and you're you're eating a very low saturated low animal fat diet your body's forced to use these these less than perfect fats to build those organelles with and that's not a good thing in the long term I don't think a great example of this is when somebody has been eating the standard American diet full of these process industrial seed oils then they start eating keto or a carnivore over the course of six to twelve months one of the things that they'll notice and thousands of people have told me this online is that you can stay in the Sun longer without getting a sunburn and when you first hear that you're like what it's nuts there's no way that's true and when I was first starting keto like I'm uh I'm I am as white a boy as you yeah okay I'm a red bag I was watching this might come and I could say I literally used to say hey Siri wake me up in seven minutes when we were at the beach and so I would have to flip after seven minutes I'm sorry I just woke up my tablet saying that but and so then after seven more minutes on the other side I had I was the guy at the umbrella rest of the day because I would not I would not get a tan I would burn but after six I don't know six nine months old keto I noticed I could stay in the Sun a lot longer and back then before I really knew what was going on I attributed it to all the colorful vegetables in my keto diet the dark leafy greens all the reds and yellows and purples but then a bit I've been in carnivore for about 19 or 20 months and I can stay in the Sun now and tan better now than I have ever been able to in my life and I'm not eating any of those colorful vegetables so it can't be that and so what we're basically left with is that that my skin cells and the mitochondria in those skin cells are now made of the proper fats from what I consider to be the proper human diet that I'm now eating for me I can stay in the Sun four times longer if not more than I've ever been able to stay in the Sun in my life and I think that's just one example that's that medical science at some point where's the American Academy of Dermatology on this they need to be investigating this because this is a big deal but I think that's just one example of many that I could talk about where when you build yourselves with the proper fat and build your mitochondria with the proper fat in their phospholipid bilayer everything works better and approaches optimal function yeah you can fix a lot of skin problems with going on a ketogenic style diet or carnivore diet sometimes I see somebody that's got some skin issues and I'm like and I wish I person knew like I wish because you can solve a lot of these issues so it's gonna become not rude in a restaurant to just walk over to somebody's table and say dude I don't know you but try this out tell your suffering you should try this out right is that still considered rude right and so basically you know with this knowledge that we're gathering of these industrial seed oils it appears that they are just as bad as just as bad as sugar I guess you'd say right like you know it's not always great to position things as good or bad but in these in these cases we have enough evidence to where it's appearing that like I always say with sugar like I don't have a problem with you know people wanting to eat some sugar and enjoy it here and there but I'm on board with you you like we shouldn't be spiking our blood glucose levels all day long and then sugar a lot of times brings in the opportunity of us overeating and that's what these seed oils are doing as well it's a it's a big ol fat mixture of it's a big old combination of things that make things really tasty and then we end up overeating do you think in your opinion if we simply just if we you know maybe have some exercise have some decent healthy habits if we just don't overeat how impactful is what we matter on the diet I think what we eat matters 100% I really I'm trying to move away from the concepts of overeating or you know trying to stay in a calorie deficit because of the following we anytime you say oh you got to stop overeating that's an immediate moral judgment on the person they have said that to write you you are calling them a glutton you're calling them a sloth I mean you're literally accusing them of set up two of the seven cardinal sins immediately emotions get involved right now how come we never have to go to Africa out on the Savannah or the plane and tell lions hey you know you wouldn't be such a badass if you just stop overeating how come there are how come there are no fat lions and you can't say oh it's because you know foods so scarce no there there are hundreds of thousands of ruminant animals that they can choose from every single day of their life if they wanted to they can definitely overeat I don't think overeating is the pride on't think that's the underlying foundational problem and I think that clouds of water when we talk about stuff like that and so what I really try to focus on is telling people to eat the proper things and avoid the improper things because I think that just like our our taste for salt that's hardwired you got to have salt to function optimally if you don't have salt you'll die so we have a we crave salt that's not a sign of weakness that's not a sign of gluttony that's a sign that you need that now we crave sugar and other things because we now have a diet that's completely improper when you look at the diet we ate a hundred thousand years ago and so I don't think talking about overeating it's really helpful for the average person who's obese or who's taught to diabetic or has fatty liver I think that just clouds the water and you kind of throw some judgment on them which makes them immediately emotional and defensive and so I truly think that when you start eating the proper human diet whether that's keto or a carnivore you overeating just kind of naturally goes away because you're not eating those addictive things you're not eating those things that that trigger your old addictive behavior you're not eating things that have been literally formulated in a lab by food scientists to hit your to hit the sweet spot it's kind of called the Bliss point where I and that's why you know door our relationships are proud of it's like you can't just eat one I dare your hey man you can't because they've spent a million dollars playing food scientist to find the Bliss point the perfect blend of salty crunchy a little bit of sweet thrown in there because they have sugar to you a lot of people don't know that but when you start eating rib eye and liver and and maybe some broccoli and brussel sprouts there's no snow food scientists has been paid a million dollars to make that eat your bliss point it's just real food and so I've yet to meet anybody who gained weight and became obese eating ribeye and bacon and butter and liver I've yet to meet that first you know can I'm curious about this because like you you've done keto and you got it's a great shape doing keto then you moved into the carnivore and now you're feeling much better what pushed you over the edge to go carnivore and then secondly you know we do have a lot of listeners and even myself like I'm not like full keto or anything I still have like carbs included in terms of one of his phone because it's fun alarm I still do have carbs included I don't eat as many as I used to in the past like I used to be but right I used to eat like you know 350 400 grams a day and because I exercised so much right I didn't get really really fat but even now much less I feel much better so for the listener that does include carbohydrates in their diet and they do feel that they're in good health listening to this why do you think that they should consider that also well if they're doing a vegetable heavy ketogenic diet and they're doing great they're losing fat they're making gains in the gym they feel great they sleep great you know every the sleep is great in the bedroom and everything else in the bedroom is great well then they should keep doing what they're doing one percent okay I think there are probably some people who a vegetable heavy ketogenic diet with some fatty meat is the perfect diet for them at this point in their journey right so I started the carnivore diet 19 20 21 months ago for no good reason whatsoever I had I've got a pretty big Facebook page and I thought you know I've seen this crazy Paul Saladino got out there in Shaun Baker he's nuts I mean even me I thought I don't know to be interesting to try it as an experiment and so I issued a 30-day carnivore challenge on my Facebook page and said hey listen let's eat meat for a month to just see what happens and so I'll just tell you a little bit of backstory back when I was eating the standard American diet Paleo ancestral I had severe heartburn every day and I had a bustling medical practice and every time the nexium drug rep came with samples the patients didn't get those I got those they went to my work cubby because I took two of those a day it's severe heartburn every single day of my adult life when I went ketone I got 80% better 100 everything else got almost completely better but that didn't go completely away well you know I think I may have a little small a hernia I guess that's just I'm just gonna have that and so I would take an exome maybe once a week tums here and there but it was much much better on keto so here comes this carnivore challenge that issued at the end of that 30 days I thought for a second I thought you know I haven't had heartburn a single time this month what the hell is that all about right and I thought hmm and actually I'd lost four or five more pounds then I had lost with Kido felt good I was doing you know I was trying to work out a little bit and I don't don't hate me guys but I just don't love to work out I don't love it like you guys look you know and so I'll do it because I know exercise is good for me but I know it's not like something I look forward to every day but I noticed that I I could lift a little heavier and I'm like very interesting you know I think I'll do this another month and so I let everybody on my page off the hook they went back to their keto I suspect some didn't because they had the same kind of benefits I did so I did another month at the end of that month still no heartburn I'm like and if anybody listening has ever had severe heartburn it sucks ass it is not good at all I mean it I used to have the nurses hooked me up to the EKG machine convinced I was having a heart attack because you just heartburn they're just reflux and so that's why I decided I'm just gonna stay carnivore until something goes wrong and I'm checking my you know I check labs I'm watching how I feel how asleep my energy and so on 20 months in still feeling good no heartburn and yeah that's why I became a carnivore and until something changes I don't see any reason for me to go back to lots of vegetables and so for me personally the proper human diet for me is just a fatty meat heavy carnivore diet and I do include liver I do include hearts if I can get some brain I include that that's kind of hard to get but I think that's the proper diet for my DNA do you think that um just simply by eating more of the proper foods that you tend to eat less because you're getting more nutrients and just over a period of time you start to eat a lot less exactly right I think you you but you know and I don't even want to call it eating less I want to say you just don't over eat anymore because there are none of the old triggers there I still had a little bit of carbohydrate craving you on keto and that's another thing cardboard lately cured I could care less it used to my go-to dessert if I was about to smash something stupid that I shouldn't was hot fudge cake right I mean with that hot fudge on there and that I screaming that cake holy crap right but literally now Chris if you set up the best one in the world in front of me right now I would be like now have you seen the video of the dog when they're trying to feed him a piece of impossible burger and easiest life why are you putting that in my face and so I think that you just stop getting any of the triggers to improperly overeat right so let's go back to that line on the Savannah when he kills a 400-pound wildebeest does he just need a palm-sized portion of the lean part of that wildebeest and then leave the rest for the hyenas no he gorges on that right and so what I tell people is do some intermittent fasting every day and then for two to four hours a day I want you to feast I don't want you to eat a palm-sized portion of anything I want you to eat here comfortably stuck because I think for the the length of time we've been on this planet as humans that's what we did when you found food you ate uncomfortably stuff and then you might not eat again for it till the next day or for several days but I think overeating is an artificial concept that's come from us being fed unnatural improper foods for the last hundred years we are mammals just like the line and just like the antelope and I don't think I don't I think we would have to try to become obese if we were eating the proper human diet so I think I think it just removes all the triggers to overeat and when you find the proper human diet for you whether that's cute or a carnivore you just stop overeating and it's not gonna happen overnight it just you just just like it you if you were drinking a fifth of vodka a day right I mean if you wing that down over 36 months you would feel great at the end of that time you just wouldn't have that addiction anymore you and you and you would no I can't ever go back there I can't ever eat that hot fudge cake again or I'm gonna feel trouble I'm gonna feel like crap and I'll also probably a carb attic again but I think when you find the proper human diet for you you all those triggers go away in all the people that you've worked with over the years you know I think a lot of times people have a tendency to view someone who's heavy as being lazy and I've been I've been sharing this message with a lot of people I'm like look I know a lot of people in my life that are heavy these people have excessive amounts of body fat on their body but they're not lazy these are people that are that go to work every day they work really hard they have a lot of great discipline in in other areas of their life it's just when it comes to food foods really got a got a good stranglehold of them on them where where should someone where should someone start because they do have some inner discipline they got some inner drive and they obviously can start to make some changes in your opinion where would someone start because they're like man like I got it yeah I got a ditch carbs like kidding me so first of all you you you got to come to terms with the fact that you're a carb addict you've been improperly trained as a human about how to eat and you've also been misled by a huge corporations who have billions of dollars of profit in in the process here they have they don't care they want you to be obese because you'll eat more they want you to sit watch TV and eat all day big food want you to do that Big Pharma want you to do that I don't think there's a conspiracy I just think that's where the profits are like you said earlier you can make anything from a jelly doughnut to a pizza crust with sugar grains and industrial seed oils that have a shelf life of anywhere one seven years they'll sit on the Shelf forever so you got profit coming if people are eating that stuff so when people realize hey I'm a human animal and there's a there is a proper diet for me and this stuff ain't part of it so that's number one number two is you got to stop blaming yourself you're not a glutton you're not a slot right I could take I could take a wolf in the wild and I could get him addicted to crack cocaine if I think about put it in meat right does that make him oh is he is he a morally bad wolf now that he's a crack addict no I tricked him he didn't know better he thought it was just meeting me ate it now he's addicted to crack that's what's happened to all the human animals on this planet they've been tricked by big food into thinking that the food like products that big food sells them is real food but it's not it's an addictive food like product that they make millions dollars off of so first of all stop blaming yourself you're not a glutton you're not a sloth you're an animal and when you find the proper diet or the the species of animal you are all that craps gonna kin to go back to normal and so for somebody who has no idea what keto or a carnivore beatstep would it stop eating all sugar in any form whether whether processed or whether they're natural and fruits and honey and agave nectar stopped all the sugar now if you're a carb addict if you're a sugar addict you're gonna have withdrawal symptoms that doesn't mean the going tito's bad for you that means you're a carb addict and you're gonna have to break that addiction and that's gonna suck for three to ten days anybody that stopped smoking or stopped drinking alcohol you will be familiar with these withdrawal symptoms they're the classic withdrawal symptoms from headache to insomnia to irritability to nausea - just feeling like crap in general you got to break that addiction the second step is you got to stop all grains whether it's wheat oats rice corn millet quinoa amaranth right there is no grain that human beings have eaten for more than 15,000 years and 15,000 years is just a blip of time compared to how long we've been on this planet grains are wonderful if you're trying to not starve to death they will keep you alive right they're also wonderful if you're an emperor and you've got thousands or millions of subjects that you need to feed as cheaply as possible grains rock if you're a general in the army and you got to feed a bunch of troops and keep them from dying and until they get to battle grains or great but if you're if you're an individual human who's trying to optimize your health and reclaim your health grains are going to inflame you and when you start to chew up a slice of whole-grain non-gmo organic stone-ground brown bread you have an enzyme in your mouth called amylase which immediately starts to break that bread down into glucose and fructose right and in the reality is is that any carbohydrate you eat will break down ultimately into glucose and fructose there is no exception to that there's no argument can be made that settled Sciences are as our vegan buddies like to say right but it is settled science that's what happens into carbohydrates in the human body we break them down to glucose and fructose and so stop all grains you don't need them there's nothing in them that you've ever made to eat again step three is to stop all the industrial seed oils we talked about earlier for the average guy walking the street and who's overweight got a belly got some man boobs and and has no energy the couch is the best looking thing in the house to him that guy's gonna immediately start to feel better when he does with those three steps and then he can be watching my Aikido 101 video series on my youtube channel and learning the other ins and outs of keto while he's doing those three steps going through the carbohydrate withdrawal I think that's how even the most morbidly obese person who's the most metabolically ill Sabir control type-2 diabetes on insulin that's the first three steps you gotta realize you're a human animal secondly forgive yourself because it's not your fault you've been tricked and maybe your mama and maybe your wife were important were in on it but they didn't mean to be but they were because they were tricked as well and then step one two and three remove the sugar remove the grains reboot the Industrial CEO us you know come like when you say all of that I know a lot of people listening are probably thinking well and how about like my fiber because your your fat and your CC all the studies at how fiber is set to prevent all cause mortality just eat some fiber and you'll you'll die less early how do you respond to that so there's actually pretty substantial research that shows that fiber in your diet if you have any kind of gut issue like irritable bowel Crohn's also to colitis your symptoms get worse the more fiber you eat so we'll call that evidence you know article number one number two is is that exclusively breastfed babies get zero fiber in their diet for sometimes two years but they poop like a champ hey anybody who's ever had an exclusively breastfed baby in the house you know they can't make the a space [ __ ] like a champion so you don't need fiber to poop you just don't you don't need fiber or gut health and so when we talk about colon cancer and fiber which is that kind of their last bastion of hope to try to get you to eat vegetables it's all observational data it's all based on the food frequency questionnaire that that and a lot of my colleagues have been talking about for years it's just atrocious science if any other branch of science of engineering or genetics or even medicine if we use the same level of evidence that nutritional science currently uses we'd be fired or drum drummed out of business it's just terrible science and so then then I would say the next article evidence would be let's talk about carnivores who've been carnivore for 20 months like me I have no problem in the restroom right there carnivores who have been exclusively carnivore for 20 years they they haven't died they look great they look 10 years younger than their chronological age and they have no problem in the bathroom so it's kind of dumb to say that you and so first of all if you still believe in fiber can eat lots of leafy greens and bright colored vegetables full of fibre you don't need grains to get fired seems like a lot of disease would be eradicated if people just stopped eating carbohydrates yeah a lot of diseases will be eradicated and a lot of fortunes would be lost exactly right when it comes to the to the carnivore diet those that are against it and even those that are for it like our boy Paul Saladino everybody always talks about the charring the meat and grilling the meat and the carcinogens and and the risks that are or the lack thereof risk right after reading your book um is there any like merits of some of those concerns perhaps but probably not and so let me let me start this by quoting rustler paraphrasing Carl Sagan he said if you come to me with an extraordinary claim then you also need to have extraordinary evidence to back that up that makes sense right and so I don't think anybody would argue the fact that human beings have been eating charred meat since we've been on since we've been in control of fire since we first learned how to make a fire and learn that if you hold your meat on it over it it smells good it tastes a lot down better than draw me we've been cooking our meat and I don't know if any of you guys have ever tried to cook a hunk of meat over an open fire but there's gonna be some char there's just no way around that mmm they didn't have aluminum foil back then they didn't have water baths and sous-vide and all this other crap that people are trying to make money on they just stuck it on a stick held it over the fire it's gonna get charred and so we've been eating charred meat since we've been a species on this planet at least 250,000 years we've been doing that and so you've come to me with this extraordinary claim Oh char meats that it'll cause cancer you better have some damn good evidence to back that up since we've been doing it for a quarter of a bit right and so then let's look at that evidence and again they talk about specific compounds PAH krill amides you know and all that stuff okay yeah it's in there there's no doubt about it it's also in in toast if it gets brown if you if you grill vegetables of cooked vegetables it's also in there so what are we supposed to do just all eat boiled meat and boil vegetables based on your half-assed evidence no I don't think so I think we should do what our ancestors have been doing for a quarter of a million years and cook our meat over an open flame if it gets charred congratulations it's 10 out tastier enjoy your meat and so I every time I grill I mean me and my wife Nisha both love our bacon extra crispy and we we love a little char on our meat and I think that's completely ancestrally appropriate and if you're gonna come to me with the extraordinary claim that what we've been doing for a quarter of a million years is dangerous then you better have some damn good evidence to back that up what are Ketones doing in our body just to kind of explain it for some people that maybe are unaware so there's there's a couple of schools of thought about this some people think that ketones are magical that they do magical things and human body and then a lot of people will say well glucose is our primary fuel source and ketones are kind of our backup fuel source there's so much mud in the water and smoke in the area of it I don't think we really know exactly what's going on here I think that 50,000 years ago if you just grabbed a random human and tested him they would have been in ketosis for almost every single day of their life actually maybe during the late summer and fall when the fruit berries got right they might be out of ketosis burning what I would consider to be their secondary fuel source which would be glucose I think primarily we were made to burn ketones and fatty acids for fuel and so when you eat a ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet you're in this state called ketosis which means your body's primarily burning ketones and fatty acids for fuel and I think that's I think that's the way we were designed and were evolved and I think that's what we're supposed to you in in times of famine when we have to eat plant matter we can burn glucose but I don't think that's optimally what we should be doing and so all the benefits that accrue from a ketogenic diet that you guys have all experienced and everybody who who's you know started an Instagram account just to tell the world about this magical keto diet because it's changed their life those are the things that ketones do for you your brain functions better I think ultimately when you're fat adapted your muscles function better everything functions better from the gym to the boardroom to the bedroom and I don't think there's anything magical about the ketogenic diet I don't think it makes you I think it makes you human again right and so that that depressed miserable inflamed fat ass self yours that you either currently possess or you used to possess that's not what it means to be a human what it means to be a human is to look like Martin Bell and think like I do and feel like Paul Saladino I don't know if he ever sleeps right that's what normal humans are supposed to look like the average guy walking the street right now is not a human normal human that is a depressed drug-addicted miserable human that's a sick human that's not what we're supposed to be like what we're supposed to be like on an average daily basis it's what the average person on a ketogenic diet is like that's what we are as a species and then I think probably the ultimate the penultimate would be the cardboard diet some of these guys who are breaking records at 52 years of age like Shaun Baker does almost on a daily basis makes me look bad but I think that's and so it's almost I mean I don't know people need to understand we are the alpha species on this planet for a reason not because we're sick fat depressed gluttons and sloths but because we're kind of we're kind of like superhero material if you feed us correctly I think you know a ketogenic and carnivore diet I do think they're magical because it does make things disappear you know it's it is I mean it can make type 2 diabetes disappear which is like you know that's that's a huge as a huge negative impact on our society people are like losing limbs and stuff like that from being you know having type 2 diabetes and then there's been a lot of strong links between type 2 diabetes and heart disease so I actually you know I do feel that these diets are magical and I feel that they're they give us what we're really lacking what we really needed and that's some control and some self-discipline and then what you'll often hear on a ketogenic diet when I prescribed it to people they'll say you know what I had you know two eggs in the morning and two slices of bacon and they're like my next meal was at like 4:00 o'clock and then they're like I had a small dinner and I was good and they do that repeatedly over and over again they get themselves in this state where they're no longer consuming calories 12 15 16 times a day which we do through all of our food and snacks and beverages and to me it ends up being you know a magical thing there's been some evidence that's starting to point to ketones might perhaps fight against cancer like what is your take on some of that yeah and so if you're eating the proper human diet and you have the new what I consider to be a normal amount of ketones in your bloodstream and and that yeah definitely that's gonna suppress your risk of cancer and so one of the big things I'm doing mark I don't talk a lot about this but but I think you guys will understand this what I'm trying to do is shift the paradigm of Western society and Toto about food that doesn't sound like a big deal at all I could probably have that done by lunch but when you so when we call the keto diet magical that creates room for products to be produced right that creates all that creates a false market it's what it does and that's why I'd much rather talk about the the opposite way of saying that and we're talking about the same thing but we're just describing it with different terms so if I can if I came to mark do you have a dog yep great okay if I started certainly coming to your house and poisoning your dog every time your dog ate the little rat poisonous food I don't not enough killing just a little bit and your dog was sick and had the shits and just couldn't get around just slip all day you'd be like I don't know something's box I'm drawing my dog what if I've been doing that the entire dog's life right just keeping him sick all the time but just to touch a rat poison and then you found out I was doing that right and you kicked my ass and had me arrested and then the dog stopped being poisoned looking at your dog from your perspective the transformation in your dog would appear to be magical wouldn't it he would he would get healthy be running around he'd be hiking his leg again instead of squatting he'd be sleeping a normal amount of time he'd be humping the neighbor's dog he'd be a normal dog again but from your perspective and maybe even from your dog's perspective you had done something magical but in reality all you've done is just stop poisoning the damn dog does that make sense that makes no sense that's that's what we're all doing here together we're all bumping around in the dark trying to remove all the poisons that big food and Big Pharma are happy to serve us because they make billions of dollars and when you stop poisoning the human animal with the slow poison that is the standard American diet it looks like magic stuff that we thought was just a normal part of human existence like obesity fatigue insomnia impotence type 2 diabetes fatty liver hypertension early heart attack early stroke all that [ __ ] goes away because you stopped poisoning the damn dog you know doctor can I for people listening that don't know your background in your book you talked about when you were younger right and you used to kind of used to get away with eating a lot of stuff because you even mentioned your ab ilysm was better first off I don't know there are a lot of 20-somethings that are in that situation that they can eat a lot of stuff because they're not gaining weight but you had a shift where you blew up to 300 pounds can you talk about that a little bit and then also can you explain what that shift is and why that happens because a lot of people that is exactly what happens 33 or whom they gain a bunch of weight what happened to all of us without exception is we get more insulin-resistant as we get older now that's not pathology that's not bad that's normal and that's okay if you're eating the proper human diet then that doesn't have any negative health consequences on you okay but if you're eating the standard American diet is just the standard carbage then when you hit as you get more and more in sources and then some people that happens whether when there's 15 some people it happens when they're 25 for me was about 35 I had always been I you know I'm 6 foot 3 and when I graduated high school I weighed 285 pounds I'm so and I was very slender I could never put on any muscle and you know just that just was my metabolism at that time because I think I was very insulin sensitive I just couldn't gain weight I couldn't put on any weight about 35 that started to change mmm and so I was still eating the standard American diet and I ballooned up to 200 97 pounds my 8 1 C was 6.1 I was pre-diabetic all my flama Tory markers were through the roof I felt like crap every single day and that happens to every almost everyone at some point in their life you become more insulin resistant and the reason I know that insulin resistance is not necessarily a pathological condition is because women when they get pregnant they become more insulin resistant and it's because their body wants them to put on 5 or 10 pounds of fat to protect that pregnancy in case there's a famine you've got 10 pounds of fat you can live on and you can go ahead and bring that baby determined deliver that baby it is a protective mechanism and so you know 50,000 years ago when the when the danger of famine was very very real it was actually very beneficial for an older animal to become more insulin resistant so you could put on 2 or 3 pounds of fat because you know it's the young bucks that's gonna get the food and you'll get the scraps and so in order to live longer and become a useful grandfather or grandmother figure in the tribe you had to become more insulin resistant and I think it's just a natural evolutionary process but if you're eating too many carbohydrates then it turns into pathology and that's what happened to me and so I had to drastically cut my carbohydrate consumption and currently I eat less than five grams of total carbohydrates every single day of my life and I feel better now at 50 then I felt when I was 35 and if anybody can say that about Weight Watchers I'd love to see you post it on your story because I don't think I don't think that happens with other calorie restriction diets but cookie dough and the carnivore diet can give you that statement it can make you say I feel better at this age then I felt a decade ago and it's because I stopped poisoning myself yeah for myself you know I'm going on a ketogenic style diet has helped with I used to have heartburn I used to have edema you know just holding a lot of holding a ton of water sleep apnea you mentioned pre-diabetes my a1c was through the roof as well and it's just it's helped with sleep apnea as well and I think you know helping with sleep helping somebody just get better sleep you know is a huge is a huge step forward towards being healthier what have you seen in terms of we talked quite a bit on this podcast about sleep what have you seen in terms of maybe helping your own sleep coming down from being 300 pounds oh absolutely so as a carnivore now first of all I meet I feel like I need less sleep now less total hours to function optimally and to have perfect energy I don't need eight hours of sleep that I used to need I think you we all need to try to get it as much sleep as we need I think that's vital but when I was inflamed and miserable first of all I snored like a grizzly bear when I was two ninety seven right because when you when you fall asleep all of the muscle control goes in your throat and your oral pharynx and so all that tissue just falls back so first of all there's more tissue secondly that tissues inflamed because I used to have chronic allergies chronic recurrent sinusitis and all that stuff so all of my Airways were always inflamed and then I was grossly overweight and so I'm sure I had sleep apnea then but I you know doctors are the worst patient so I ain't gonna go have a sleep study but now that I'm just I'm 2:35 right now at six foot three I snore a little which i think is normal but I don't I don't you know like wake the neighbors up anymore and I sleep much the much deeper and much more restful II than I've ever slept in my life and yeah I think eating the proper diet is is hugely important for sleep and then also watching any kind of stimulant like caffeine and nicotine around bedtime is also hugely important to get the deep levels of sleep that you need for your glymphatic system and your brain to kick in and clean your brain out and also for the rest of your body you just you know renew and rejuvenate do you take any supplements often oh landmark I'm terrible at remembering to do anything on a daily basis when I think about it all take since I'm 50 I'll take some coenzyme q10 because people who study this know that the Co Q 10 levels go down as you get older every now and then I'll take some vitamin d3 mmm in olive oil every now and then I'll take some da ta I'll take some of that or some 70 dou DHEA because that also naturally goes down as you get older and keep in mind we know these things go down as we get older but we don't know if they do or how much they do in a carnivore because all of that research was done on carbohydrate poison sick individuals and so we really don't know and I think over the next decade or two we'll be going back to the bench and starting over and saying hey let's find a hundred carnivores and let's check their levels and see what that does because science doesn't know we don't know what happens I make sure you get plenty of salt I make because that's vital for human health I make sure I get a little iodine every day I used a little 2% blue dogs because that's huge for human health magnesium and potassium that's about it I don't really take any other supplements and I don't think anybody else needs any other supplements why is iodine important so I when you say iodine everybody thinks about thyroid that's that's all they think about but actually every cell in your body mark has a sodium iodide symporter which means that it's it pushes sodium out so we can pull down in that that requires work that requires an ATP or to the human cells don't do any work unless it benefits the cell right that makes sense cells are very efficient so there's no reason your cell will be doing that unless it needs that iodine so it's not just your thyroid every cell in your body has these sodium iodine simple words you need iodine for every cell of your body to function optimally every gland in our body from your thyroid to your pancreas to your testicles concentrates iodine now they wouldn't do that that again that requires ATP or energy to do they would not do that if it didn't somehow help that gland function better and indeed the mammary glands in women a lot of women have something called fibrocystic breast disease which would be quite painful when they start making sure they get enough iodine either from eating seafood in their diet or from using an iodine supplement the pain goes completely away in the lumps go completely away their breast tissue returns to normal so there's actually some research that shows it that levels of breast cancer probably decreased if you get enough iodine in your diet and I just posted a video about breast cancer prevention on my youtube channel anybody wants to check that out I go into a lot more detail but yeah absolutely iodine is vital for every cell to function optimally and that's why I always I don't eat a lot of seafood I love it I like it but I don't love it so I just use a little iodine supplement I put a drop in my coffee every day hmm going back to the thicker version of you the 300-pound doctor literally the common person would be listening to this thinking like wow for doctors 300 pounds and they want to lose weight they can just go back to their education that they've received and they're gonna they're gonna out of all the people on the planet they're gonna be the ones that know what to do we know when you did I set out to try to lose some weight what happened initially yeah and this is why I say and this triggers a lot of health care providers but I really don't care because they need to hear it do not take nutrition advice from a fat doctor don't that's like taking car advice from a mechanic who you know has to take the bus to work because his car won't start that's idiotic do not do that back when I was a fat doctor I didn't know what the hell I was talking about when he came to you nutrition and I'm I'm happy to admit that now and so you're right exactly what I did I went up an attic and I found my nutrition notes we had a nutrition class my second year of med school I think was one day a week for half a semester that's how important they thought human nutrition was in my med school and I got all my nutrition notes down in the textbook and so the textbook was about packing stick and all my notes were about a half inch thick so that's it so I got all that down and went through it again and I can sum it up for you guys it was three things first of all avoid all saturated fat secondly eat more whole grains and third jog that was literally the totality of my nutrition education when it came to the care and feeding of a human being that was on the street now you were in the ICU or you've been in a terrible house fire and had third-degree burns they taught us very well how to calculate your fluid and nutrient needs while you're in the ICU and I was having to feed you through an IV I could they taught us very well but when it came to the feeding of a normal human being right somebody who just had a job and the dog and a spouse and just lived their life that's the three things they taught us avoid saturated fat you know eat lots a whole grain a jog so I did that I did that for two months and I gained ten more pounds and that was that was my Epiphany dude you don't know what the hell you're talking about that's the conversation I had in the mirror with myself and I had to go back to the drawing board and so I discovered March Sissons primal blueprint loren cordain's Paleo diet and dr. Robert Adkins the giant on whose shoulders we all stand the Atkins diet revolution I read those three books I got Atkins boots I got his book for 50 cents at a rummage sale and read it and I thought well everything these guys are saying is exactly upside down and backwards everything I've ever been taught but I just applied everything I've been taught for two months and I got fatter and sicker so obviously they may be right the other thing people may not realize is that doctors always suspect that patients are being non-compliant right and so if I had given a patient that advice you got to cut out the bacon dude and you gotta get a whole grain multiple times a day and eat lots of fruits and vegetables and you got a job every day and then they'd come back in two months instead of dr. berry I did what you said and I've gained ten pounds I would think they were full of [ __ ] I'll be like yeah you're non-compliant you did not do what I said you sit on the couch and eat Cheetos I know you did that's what you did but I couldn't say that about me because I live with me I knew what I had been doing and that was the watershed moment when I said either I'm a unique snowflake or I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and that's when I discovered eating high fat and low carbs that the the math would mark calls the magic of that was because what I was teaching people didn't work I would tell you immediately mark join Weight Watchers and join the gym eat more eat less burn more duh it's simple right but when I applied that to me did not work at all and it also doesn't work for millions of other people but that's the advice they're getting from people they trust you know in your book and like yeah throughout the whole book you talk about people need to like be their own advocates they need to try and learn the stuff on their own they need to look at the research but you also talked about in the book you know there's been so much research done on red meat that red meat causes cancer and people will pull that up so much because there's so many papers on it and then you address the healthy user bias now a lot of listeners are gonna go and look at research and yeah I want you to kind of help us explain what is the healthy user bias and what do people need to look for because you could find a study that can tell you what you wanted to say to feed your own belief how do we need a look at that I just I just tweeted the other day that normal people shouldn't even know what a what a p-value or a relative risk ratio is but because of the shitty state of nutrition research right now people have to know what that stuff is in order to know if this study I just pulled up about red meat or about whole grains actually means anything or not people shouldn't have to do that and people shouldn't even have to know the term healthy user bias but we currently have to because nutrition research is so terrible so healthy user bias yes basically when we if we're gonna do a big observational nutritional study and we get a hundred thousand people and we're gonna give them a food frequency questionnaire that maybe has thirty or hundred questions on it multiple choice questions like how many cups of ribs have you eaten in the last twelve months first of all that's a stupid question who can answer that right but that's actually one of the that's one of the questions on Walter will it's food frequency questionnaire how many ribs have you eat in the last whatever amount of time so anybody who is trying to be healthy they're gonna be doing everything that they think is the method to get healthy and so they're not gonna be smoking they're not gonna be drinking too much alcohol they're gonna be trying to stay very active they're gonna be trying to think about their sleep and so if that person happens to be eating not as much red meat right because they think that's not healthy they've been taught that if they watch TV and now we've got this other guy over here who don't give a damn about himself writing smokes he dreams a six-pack of beer a day while he's sitting in his recliner every waking minute of the day that he's not work right he doesn't think about what he eats when he eats that red meat he also eats fun and supersize fries and drinks the route 44 coke along with it when you look at these two people yeah that guy eats more meat and so if you just said oh there you go look he had a heart attack at 50 red meat causes heart disease that's the healthy user bias because this other guy over here who's starving himself and he's jogging and who's not smoking not drinking me doesn't even own a recliner he's gonna look healthier because he's doing all these other healthy thing could you imagine somebody being obese just eating meat no I don't think it's possible and I would like to use your platform to issue a challenge to all of our vegan brothers and sisters out there whom I love to all of the plant-based people out there I defy you to do a one-month challenge I want you to eat as much beef butter bacon and eggs as you can hold as many times a day as you can don't you document this and I want you to be honest and I want you to prove me wrong because I don't think it's possible to become obese by eating just fatty meat and I want you to use the fattiest cuts of meat you can find and try it because you believe that eating saturated fat makes you fat I want you to go out of your way to cook everything in butter and bacon grease and I want you to prove me wrong I want you to make yourself gain a substantial amount of fat not weight because you're actually gonna put on some muscle naturally if you eat that diet can't count that I want to I want to know what your body fat percentage is before and your body fat percentage is after because what's gonna happen is your body fat percentage is gonna go down and your lean lean mass is gonna go up and you're welcome in advance for that but it's gonna prove your theory wrong yeah it's like to say shading to overeat you got too much protein and too much fat in it too and then even after like three or four days you know how many times have you been out and had like a giant steak dinner like I have a I have a pretty good appetite but the next day until like noon you're like I'm this is like kind of before I knew anything about fasting and stuff like that you'd have a big old steak dinner and the next day would go by and like I haven't really even eaten anything it's because you don't feel like you need anything and on top of that when we start to put in the pieces of the puzzle when you start to get in the nutrients that we need then your body has left like wants and less cravings yeah absolute the other night Nation and I were out on the town the ketone is Kim Howerton came into town and we all went to the meet house I had a couple of gin and sodas which I don't I don't drink much at all but alcohol gives me the munchies it's an appetite trigger for me like I think it is for a lot of people and so I had a rack of ribs and then I also had a double hamburger with double bacon that was my dinner because I hadn't eaten that day so that was my feast right then I had those two gin and sodas with a little drop a line and that trigger my hugger and I'm like I'm freakin still hungry you guys hungry and they're like no and I ordered another rack of ribs and I even ate them all true story right and so the next morning I got up and I thought man I bet I put on some pounds last night got on the scale I was a pound down from the day before anything I know I know I know I know b-black they're going back possible there's no way that's physiologically possible first thought law of thermodynamics and all that [ __ ] right I hear you do my challenge prove me wrong please I actually want to know I want to do that challenge it sounds wonderful it sounds great exactly right but what happens is your your body's metabolism is is in constant flux your body has no problem raising your body temp 1/2 a degree or lowering it half a degree and over the course of a 24-hour period that's gonna burn a ton of calories right and so when when you eat eat within your proper human diet and you are fat adapted I don't think you can gain weight by eating fatty meat I just don't think it's possible but I'm happy to be proven wrong and I'm happy to learn and I know that there are some diligent earnest vegans out there who are gonna take this challenge and prove me wrong with the 30 day fatty meat challenge I made a post other day about I just posted like a hot dog and like of course everybody got inflammatory about the hot dog what can you tell us about processed meats yeah so once again the research that processed meat is bad for you or will increase your risk of cancer is crap research it's all based on the observational data and food frequency questionnaire and it has the healthy user bias built in also all the researchers who worked on those research projects believed in a plant-based diet these studies were not blinded and so the researchers biases can go right into the research and let me let me explain this a little bit this does not mean that these researchers are bad people it does not mean they're dishonest it does not mean that there's conspiracy this is human nature if Mark and I did a research study and we were not blinded we would be biased that meats good for you and if we were not very careful to this to design our research study properly our bias would almost unconsciously slip into the results of that research that is human nature that's why we invented the scientific method which nutritional research does not honor or follow but caught because of that it's human nature even if you're a good researcher and you're honest as the day is long your bias is going to slip in and so all the research about processed meat has healthy user bias it has food frequency questionnaire [ __ ] answers and it has the bias of all these plant-based loving researchers built into it it's it's all crap it's meaningless right there's more nitrates in a stalk of celery then there isn't a whole pack of hot dogs so if it's nitrates you can forget that if we start talking about all the other stuff that I talked about in that chapter of the book there's more that another plant by a basic you know there's a piece of toast has more all that stuff and so the research about processed meat is done now I know there are a lot of purists out there in the carnivore community who will get triggered by this you like know by god you have to eat $22 an ounce ribeye or you're going to hell and you're gonna get cancer no I'm sorry there is no research that backs that up I think probably it's a little less bad if you eat if you eat you know grass-fed grass-finished panda massage beef that's probably a little better for you maybe 5% better for you than eating the cheapest hotdogs you can get from China Mart it's probably a little better yes I totally agree but is it worth $22 a pound no not if you're broke is a joke like I used to be or not if you know if you're one paycheck from the bill collector come and knock on your door eat the best quality meat that you can afford and if that's those cheap bread hotdogs that ain't kosher ain't no telling what's in them that's way the hell better than buying a family-sized bag of Doritos seems like the main thing here is just to not eat carbs and to avoid seed and vegetable oil that's it utterly it's pretty that's that that's it it's not very sexy and there's no products that you can make a million dollars off of mark I'm sorry but there's no market here for us basically just stop poisoning yourself stop eating crap eat things that we've eaten for at least 250,000 years and magically you'll get healthy and you'll lose the excess fat and in addition we might be able to be less depressed might be able to get rid of things like ADHD maybe some ah yeah you know some other types of diseases right yeah absolutely I'm working on a YouTube video right now about carnitine you guys know you guys love meat so you know about carnitine you get it from eating meat but you also can manufacture it in your body looks like that up to 20% of kids with autism boys with autism have a defect in their carnitine manufacturing pathway so they can't make it or they can't make it efficiently enough to get enough of it for their brain which it's absolutely vital for proper brain function so if you take that young baby boy who has this defect and and you you know use own formula for the first six months of his life and then you start to wean him off formula onto rice cereal and all this this [ __ ] carbage that we think is baby food if it's gotta if it says the word Gerber on it you can consider that baby poison not baby food okay it's not going to kill your baby today but it's a slow poised and it's gonna it's gonna leap diabetes and obesity it's just going to but if you is so adept that little baby boy wings off plant-based formula onto plant-based solid foods he's not giving any carnitine and so about six to nine months of age you start to notice your beautiful baby boy who is very bright and alert stop making eye contact and stop doing and stop hitting his milestones looks like up to 20% of autism and boys maybe from this carnitine pathway defect and I'm working on a YouTube video about it right now but that'd be huge wouldn't if we could if we can help 20% of the boys with autism and it's predominantly a male problem anyway right 95% males who have autism what we could just magically as Mark said make that autism spectrum just kind of go away that'd be earth-shaking wouldn't it or did we just stop poisoning that baby boy and give him meat that he needed to fuel his brain I don't know very complicated very complicated thing too because with autistic children it's so hard our just in children in general but then with autistic children and the parent you know feeling so bad this child has this disorder as their parents are you know trying to give them whatever will keep the kid happy you know they're trying to give them mac and cheese and sure you know whatever whatever will keep the kid satisfied so that whole thing gets to be really really difficult but yeah what that would be amazing if we had more research in that field and then we could say hey look I know it's really really hard to try to feed your child some steak instead of the mac and cheese but we got to figure out a way to do this absolutely and I'm sure you guys have seen the movie called the magic pill but you can watch the evil the it's not even evolution it just they stopped poisoning their sweet little girl she had severe autism right and couldn't even couldn't hold a spoon couldn't speak two words together at the beginning of the movie and by the time they had gotten the the cheez-its and the Ritz crackers and the goldfish crackers out of her mouth and actually put some real food by the end of the movie she's holding the spoon and putting four five six words together that's the kind of almost miraculous benefit that we can expect when we feed any human but proper human diet now that if that human is sick and and very susceptible to the poison of the standard American diet then they're gonna be sicker and it's gonna be more miraculous when you stop poisoning that child but all of us are gonna reach some kind of benefits when we eat the proper human diet you know on the subject of kids since we're talking about that there are a lot of parents listening right and you mentioned that as you get older insulin resistance increases you know in your 20s 30s whatever now for kids who can probably handle carbohydrates better than their you know adult counterparts how should parents be thinking about the nutrition for their kids should they consider a carnivore kid or should they you know give their kids fruits vegetables no no like processed foods etc what should they think about their yeah when younger we can tolerate a lot more carbage and so how many of you guys had a friend who could drink you under the table who could drink a fifth of vodka and still good show up to work and do a great job like this all right right there are people who are like that they can their kids who appear to be optimally healthy eating carbage and I used to play basketball with a guy he lived on Pepsi and Cheetos and he could stomp my ass on the court and I was trying my best that you'd help me I didn't know Alabama but I was trying and he wouldn't even try it he was living on Cheetos and kicking my ass on the court so there's that range of normal for kids now do I do I think it's the end of the world to feed kids berries and fruit and some no I think that's totally fine they're much more capable of tolerating it than we are but we cannot deny is that human beings are facultative carnivores we need fatty meat for optimal function and that goes for your six month old as well as it does for your six year old and your 16 year old they may do fine on the diet they're eating but what could they be doing if they were eating the proper human diet you guys may not know my wife Nisha is nine months pregnant and she's been eating mainly Kido through the entire pregnancy and when little boy Barry is born he's going to be exclusively breastfed him when he's five six seven months of age when he starts reaching for food the first foods that go in his mouth are gonna be scrambled eggs and liver and meat that's what that's gonna be his first food because I don't want him to develop autism at six to nine months of age I want him to develop a beautiful high IQ brain and I want him to develop a body that that will put white men can't jump back on to watch list movies right because we can all do these magical things week the proper human diet and so yeah you know I Kito in pregnancy hundred percent safe my wife's doing it right now Kito for for babies corner percent safe my son's gonna do it Kito for toddlers keto for adolescents keto for teens yes yes yes yes it is the proper human diet for all human beings regardless of age somebody you know may be listening right now has a child that's already you know several years old maybe a teenager maybe ten years old or something like that and they want to try to make some changes with their children how have you handled that you know in having patients come to you and say hey like I'd love to incorporate this with my children you know they're getting a little heavier than then they want to be or something like that yeah so my main advice to parents is you love your kids you want the best for them but also you don't want to fight you don't want this to be a huge where you put your foot down and you made immediate it doesn't have to be that way because remember I just said kids are much more metabolically resilient because they're much more insulin sensitive when they're younger you don't have to do this change overnight you can do this very slowly and very lovingly over three to six months and so a great strategy is to when you go to the grocery because I'm assuming your young child does not have car keys I have credit card they don't buy the groceries you do you're in charge of that but that doesn't mean you need to be a Kido you know not see and just say that's if I got this is a Kido house there's never gonna know don't do that you don't have to do that that's just gonna make your family life less enjoyable every time you go to the grocery forget one slow poisoned food and bring home some keto alternatives that you know your kid's gonna like so you'd be like oh man Jimmy I forgot the Doritos but I got you some blueberries right and if Jimmy ain't hungry he can take his ass outside and play until he gets hungry when he gets hungry enough slippers and boob you just you'll never buy the Doritos again every time you go forget some other stupid slow poison food like product and buy more real Kito or carnivore friendly foods and so over the course of six months your kitchen can become a keto kitchen that every single member of your family eats except maybe for your husband he's all he knows how to eat is you know chicken strips and catch get up I don't know what to tell you he's a grown man but but for your kids you can do this transition almost throwing up but they don't even notice that you're doing it you don't have to ever say no honey that's not keto you don't have to ever say no honey that's to hang carbs you don't say those things just stop buying slowly but sure I like what you're saying there cuz I mentioned this before on the podcast you know when when people do have a child they childproof their home you know they they cover up the electric sockets and they they might put like a little fence type thing and you know near the stairs so the kid can't climb I go down the stairs and I think that this is what people need to do and it comes to obesity and it comes to some of these diseases we need to like fat proof our home yeah you don't you don't yell at your kid when they go near the electrical outlet because you're an electrical outlet not see you don't smack their hand when they start to stick their finger in there because you're like you know the electrical outlet police do that because you love them and you want to protect them that's why you should also fill your kitchen with proper human diet not because you're the keto police but you're some kind of you know fanatical cult keto cult member but because you know that's the proper human diet and you love your kids and you want the best for them same same exact logic applies what are the biggest lies that people are being told by their doctors the biggest lies they're probably currently being told is that saturated fat is very very bad for you to lead to heart disease or stroke whole wheat is very good for you it'll protect you from diabetes they're actually out there people out there who say that whole wheat grains will lower your risk of developing type 2 diabetes there's a little flirt and there's all the information on the you know oatmeal boxes and everything yeah and every older person whatsoever but so then again the healthy user bias comes into that because if somebody's eating whole grain bread they're probably trying to be healthy in all these other ways that doesn't prove anything that just means you didn't do good research another great lie and so everybody when they say you should eat more fruits and vegetables right I don't know if that rolls off the tongue easier but I mean if you want to eat more vegetables have at it be my guest Paul Saladino might disagree but I don't I think vegetables are probably the least poisonous of the carbohydrate-containing foods but let's stop saying fruits and vegetables because fruits are sugar they've basically been they're not genetically modified but they've been cross bred for the last hundred or two hundred years to be these big sacks of sugar that's what they are there's no doubt about that if anybody out there if you're a type 2 diabetic you don't believe me eat three bananas wait an hour and check your blood sugar see what it did then you'll never do that again you'll learn same goes from my oatmeal challenge if you think steel-cut non-gmo oat sir is a good breakfast check your blood sugar eat a big bowl of those oats and then check your blood sugar an hour later you'll never touch oatmeal again because now you're woke now you heard the bell ring ha ha ha but but so many so many doctors so many endocrinologist who specialized in type 2 diabetes care will tell these poor type 2 diabetics you should stop eating bacon and eggs too much saturated fat like somehow that's gonna have an effect on your blood sugar no they'll say you should eat steel cut oats and a banana and some whole wheat toast and have a glass of orange juice and maybe a glass of skim milk all you diabetics out there check your blood sugar eat that diet eat that breakfast and then check your blood sugar an hour later and then you'll look at you look around go what the hell is going on here is this a Twilight Zone episode why did that spike my blood sugar this this specialist whose entire career is to help me with my type 2 diabetes told me to eat that diet the dietician told me to eat that the nutritionist said to eat that and it quadrupled my blood sugar how's that make sense you know I'm curious about this because in your book I didn't I don't think I saw anything about fasting but you've been talking about fasting for a self along this podcast and a lot of the videos I've seen of you in recent months you've been mentioning the benefits of fasting when did you start doing that what do you feel is the benefit and then lastly you know we talked to a few guests on this podcast cuz both mark and I fast I loved it it changed my the way I look at food of my appetite but some people have been saying that fasting is detrimental it's a woman so can you can you go in on that for us a little bit yeah all the all the opinionated gurus out there who say that you know women need carbs or women shouldn't fast they're so again they're making extraordinary claim because if we went back in time to our little tribe 50,000 years ago if there weren't many food around I mean was there a stash of goldfish crackers that the women ate there's no food or did they fast along with everybody else they fasted if they made it killed they got specific organs that women need to eat there was no carbs on that animal so what did they do they they ate fatty meat so you know it's it's I don't know I don't know if it's a get-out-of-jail-free card like oh I'm a woman I need some carbs and I'm not being sexist here I'm saying that's what they say there are a lot of people in the hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's sphere of influence who will say you've got a carbon cycle or carb up or have so many grams of carbs a day in your diet or your thyroid condition will get worse there is zero meaningful research that backs it up in any way and and again when we go back in time and look at our ancestors there were no carbs so where did they get those how come how come that gene didn't die out because they couldn't reproduce because there were no goldfish crackers for them to eat carb up with it's it's just it's it's foolishness on its face so what it does is it gives these gurus of space to make some money but also it gives big food a chance to make you can make a hypo Taub are when you need to carb up every Monday or that you know one week out of the black you can eat our hypo fibers all the carbs there's I mean it's just human nature to try to make a buck off everything and I don't that's not evil that's just who we are we try to we try to improve our lot in life but there's no research to back any of that up my wife has Hashimoto's and she was eating the standard American diet when we met I was experimenting with paleo and I'm like you should try this she tried and didn't get it she didn't feel any better because our Paleo diet was full of quinoa and sweet potatoes right then she went and so she hates to admit I'm right and so that's how we know this is scientifically bad so she went she probably tried keto for a month and her hashimoto symptoms it was like a light switch went on when she cut the carbs and started eating a fatty meat heavy keto she was like a different human and she's like see this is what I was telling you I haven't always been this person because when she got her breast implants that's when her Hashimoto's went nuts and I had I didn't meet her before then so I didn't know her and I would mean we were having marital problems like you kind of suck I don't know you keep telling me you're this person but then that's not what I'm saying here when she went keto and she went back to the old nation how she used to feel and used the energy she used to have in the gumption and to get up and go she was that woman that she'd been telling me that she was and I was like there you are it's good to meet you because I didn't think you existed I thought you were mythical right and so her Hashimoto's not only did her symptoms get drastically better when she slashed her carbohydrate intake her numbers got better her TPO antibodies and her PG antibodies both drastically decreased when she slashed the carbohydrates out of her diet and so that isn't in of one but have we've had hundreds of women and a few men reach out and say I've got emoto's and all these carb cycling and carbs and eat so many carbs they're full of [ __ ] because I have never felt better than when I'm eating under 20 grams a day of total carbs how about fasting yeah so the fasting I kind of came to it naturally it wasn't something I talked about a lot when I wrote the book I mean I knew that human beings that fasted forever back you know fifty thousand years ago you would call fasting starving because you couldn't find no food but now we actually call it a thing and we do it you know we choose to do it and I think that it's very ancestrally appropriate and I think that there are multiple physiological mechanisms that come into play that help improve your health when you fast either daily which is what I do typically every now and then I'll do a 72 hour faster usually I just don't eat for 20 to 22 hours every day and then I'll feast during that two to four hour window when you do that the rate of otology increases and what that means is for people who don't know your body has the ability to break down old cells or damaged cells remember those skin cells that were made with the wrong kind of fat that we talked about early your body can break those down and replace them with new cells but if you're eating constantly and keeping your blood your serum insulin levels chronically elevated you don't you don't have much on top of you going on other than just the baseline level we always have on top of you going on 24/7 but if you want to increase the rate of that then you fast that's one of the ways to do it one of the reasons that the ketogenic diet works so well is it is a fasting mimicking diet and so all of the hormones go in the right direction autopsy increases on keto but then when you don't eat for hours or days the rate of all toppings you can really increase dramatically and that's why a lot of people when they lose 150 pounds on keto they don't have all this redundant skin that they have to then go see the plastic surgeon to have chopped off like if you starve yourself with Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig or flexitarian or Biggest Loser diet you got to go see the plastic surgeon and get all those flaps of tissue cut off if you lose the weight with keto and fasting you might have some redundant skin but you're not gonna have that apron of skin that's what we call it by panis right that actually hangs down like an apron you're just not going to have that because our topic is gonna be eating up those unnecessary skin cells and using the building blocks in other places it also helps keep your glucose levels and your insulin levels at a low normal level your liver can make glucose if some of yourselves need it but you're never gonna have a glucose spike when you're fasting that's another great benefit is it keeps your insulin and your glucose levels low normal which is the that is the optimal place for them to be it also lowers your levels of inflammation because you're not eating anything that's inflammatory you're not eating and so the best thing is very very powerful tool that anybody can use to help optimize their health even over and above a ketogenic or a carnivore diet what a dietary carbohydrates are essential for people knowing there there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate there is no such thing as an essential starch there is no essential thing as a what is it what do they call it reverse starch yeah oh yeah resistance start yeah resistance starts reverse starch all that's [ __ ] you don't need any of that if i if i kidnap mark bell and why him in my barn and fed him nothing but zero carb fatty meat for the rest of his life sounds great live to be a very a very old slender muscular man cuz I gotta wait sit in there he would he would never develop any kind of fish carbohydrate deficiency or vitamin or mineral deficiency for that matter he would live to be very old and healthy and we broke out he would totally kick my ass cuz he's in great shape he's eating the proper human diet have you done much like looking into in terms of um like sunlight and people like getting outside more etc because I mean a lot of people spend most their time in door nowadays and you were talking a lot about mitochondria I want us to know if you like mess with anything or see any links between the two oh yeah sunlight is vital for human existence anytime something is preserved in all vertebrates that means it's very very important to live on this planet okay iodine is one of those every single vertebrate on the planet needs and uses iodine same goes for salt same goes for melatonin right same goes for for vitamin D all mammals and and I think all vertebrates manufacture vitamin B in some method chickens do with their feathers some animals do with their feet and some animals they lick there and they when they preen they get the vitamin D that they make from the Sun the Sun is vital for human life okay and there's actually a chapter in the book about this to say that the Sun even though we've been playing it naked for a million years now it's bad for us you've just brought me an extraordinary claim haven't you I hope you've got some badass evidence to back that up oh wait you don't a lot of the research that was done in in dermatology to show that sunlight is bad or causes cancer was done on donated foreskins okay and I actually talked about that in the book so when when all the little boys would get their circuses and they would click this dead tissue that came off the end of their penis and then they would do in-vitro experiments with ultraviolet light and they would show look this certain chemical went up in this dead tissue in a petri dish it's not even living human tissue anymore yet then they're gonna say oh well therefore the Sun is dangerous you should use SPF 200 and then also live in a cave and never go out in the Sun because it will cause skin cancer even if it's just shining through a window you should still use sunscreen that's some of that PD otic advice that you I mean the research is oh if you just read it it's awful it's terrible it's embarrassing that doctors actually say that out loud based on that research and I actually issue a challenge in the book I say I want you to send an email to the American Academy of Dermatology and say show me the research send me a copy of the research I want to read it myself and I think if enough people do that I actually put their email in the address in the book because I want people to say show me all this this research that proves that this the Sun that we've been in for millions of years is now bad for me show me how that happened it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense right right exactly right and so have I proven that the Sun doesn't cause cancer no I haven't but it's not my place to prove that I didn't make the extraordinary claim all I'm saying is as humans have played naked in the Sun for a million years therefore it's probably healthy and natural and normal right that's common sense and so if you're gonna come at me and say how your common sense is wrong people will get skin cancer and diet they play in the Sun then I do a little bit of half-ass research and say look there you go I proved it no that doesn't work that way not in science not in the not in the real world not in the big picture not when we look at this we go in the future 50 years and look back at the state of nutrition and dermatology research people will laugh people will use that as examples in medical school of how not to practice medicine 50 years from now you feel like fasting was a natural progression for you because you you know you got an Aikido diet and indeed carnivore diet and maybe like us like we didn't really believe in fasting we thought it was dumb for a while and then we started kind of eating more meat once we cut out junk and this is really hard to explain to people but once you cut out junk you really kind of crave the more valuable foods the foods that are more valuable to our body and it's not it's not hard at all so I think sometimes people here like an 18 hour fast or 20 hour fast and like oh my god they're like there's no chance in hell that I could ever even try that even just for a day and they think it's so difficult that's it actually becomes very easy right oh it's very easy and that's actually when when I detected as a doctor that I didn't know a damn thing about human nutrition I was obviously reading just stacks of books trying to figure it out and I was I was kind of morphing from Paleo ancestral dakedo any I would just forget to eat I would forget to eat breakfast and like I'm busy I'm working on this I'm you know and then I look up and it's 2 p.m. and I haven't eaten yet so it I kind of naturally fell into it but about that same time I read dr. Jason phones excellent book about fasting and I was like oh so this is actually something people could do on purpose it's not that keto helps me not have to eat every two hours actually I want to not eat every two hours ah ah so that shifted my paradigm a little bit and I'm like okay so I should try to slowly increase my fasting window and so when I was first dating keto I'd probably fast 12 hours a day and so you know for eight hours I'm asleep and then for two hours before and after bedtime I wouldn't eat but then I started say I'm gonna try to go sixteen hours I'm gonna try to go 18 hours then I did my first 24-hour fast after I'd read dr. Fung book it was like hey I didn't die and that was the first time in my entire life and I'm not joking I did say that because never in my existence on this planet that I went for more than four hours of that day it had never occurred to me to do that right it's like why why would I do that I don't understand you know people would pass for religious reasons I'd be like I'm never gonna do that but then I thought wow it's almost like it's a new thing it's a new power I've got I don't have to eat if you you know if you if you did something to me and I didn't eat for two days first of all I wouldn't die and I didn't know that secondly I might actually get stronger I might actually get more mentally acute and be able to escape whatever it is you were trying to do to me on at the 48 hour mark of not eating I would actually be or aware and my senses would be heightened and then it occurred to me that's perfect that makes perfect ancestral sense doesn't it because you know if you fell in a hole or you didn't eat for three days you didn't get progressively weaker you got progressively smarter and you got progressively more efficient because if you didn't you're gonna die in a week or two and so I think that that we kind of developed that ability to fast but then we forgot about it because big food was so busy showing us you know commercials of frosted flakes and and all this other crap in the ain't no breakfast is the most important meal of the day and so we forgot about the power fast can you go in oh because okay you've mentioned the ancestral aspect of the diet you know many times in this and many individuals on the other side of your I guess debate here kind of say oh you know okay our ancestors did it does that mean why is that so important that doesn't mean that we need to do this doesn't mean we need to do that this you know we're developing this because we want to be more better than our ancestors right so why and how can you explain to individuals why this is so important so two concepts you need to understand first of all for the last about a hundred years as a species we have been in love we've been infatuated with technology and progress and and the new new is always better than the old Crisco used to use that in their ads you don't want to cook with with lard like your grandma my dear do you you want to cook on this new modern stove with this new modern stuff and so big corporations have been able to use that infatuation with progress and and modernity they've been able to use that against us to make billions of dollars now I'm not anti-technology I embrace technology I'm talking to you on my iPhone 10 whatever the help and you know almost the newest one I love technology but we cannot forget that were animals we are a specific species of animal and so then that brings me to step two is let's talk about cats felines felines are obligate carnivore they have a diet that they've been eating for millions of years as felines on this planet when you stop feeding them that diet which they've evolved to eat and to thrive on and you start feeding them a diet full of lots of grains and vegetables then if I'm right they would start to develop disease wouldn't they would stop being healthy vigorous felines and they'd start to be fat diabetic felines well there's actually an epidemic of feline type-2 diabetes and obesity that veterans are trying to deal with right now and they're doing everything in the world to try to figure out why cats are getting fat and diabetic it's because you're ignoring their species-specific diets there I just read the other day an article that said your cat can absolutely be vegan you just have to make sure they eat a lot I'm not joking she was a vegan veterinarian and he's like no I formulated this specific oh look you got a product myself look at that if you'll buy my cat food they can eat this and they won't get fat and they won't get diabetes and so that's obviously ignorant right these these felines are obligate carnivores and so he ad diets Torrini carnitine to that or the cats would just die because they have to have those things without that I can't make them their self they have a broken pathway so but as soon as you start to feed that cat the proper cat diet again which is meat they immediately lose the weight and reverse their type-2 diabetes the same goes for us we are modern alpha species on this planet we we went to space and we're gonna go to Mars and we're gonna do all this great stuff Elon Musk is gonna take us into the solar system but we're still this primitive man our DNA has not changed one iota in the last hundred thousand years we've we've developed the ability to tolerate some things like some some people who are Caucasian can tolerate dairy better than some people who are African or Asian descent but that doesn't mean it's good for us that just means we can tolerate it and use it not to starve to death but there's still a proper human diet for all of us and it ain't the standard American diet and so that's why I think we can be modern and we can have spaceships and iPhones and an electric car that's great but at the same time we have to remember we're just animals that stood up and lost our hair and put clothes on we got to eat the diet that's right for our species of animal or we will suffer to some degree along well going along with that I'm really curious about this and I saw you in an interview you talked about your 23andme and how like you said that you have 9 like 97 more percent a Neanderthal DNA then a majority of the customers correct well right like I have 99 percent less Neanderthal DNA than the rest of the customers I'd like one variant correct now I'm curious about this because you know you mentioned that for example Asians and African Americans because were they they're based don't handle dairy as well as other populations do you know anything of their being any sort of difference between certain populations and how they handle certain foods or how they handle maybe carbohydrates better potentially or not do you know about that oh absolutely and so the question of whether human being should eat meat well what what what did we 50 thousand years ago or a hundred thousand years ago that questions already been answered by anthropology okay there's this thing called carbon and nitrogen isotope labeling we can do this with the bones of a human who died an hour ago or a hundred thousand years ago and we can tell you very specific specifically and precisely what percentage of their diet was meat what percentage of their diet was veg did they eat more seafood or did they eat more ruminants or do they eat we can tell all that so this is known in the anthropology community but the problem with modern technology is is that it sequester's all of us in our little sphere of expertise and so no doctor ever reads anything about anthropology so he doesn't know that so a well-meaning doctor can recommend a plant-based diet not understanding that that that is the definition of ignorance because you don't know what's known an anthropology community so Neanderthals were hyper carnivores they actually ate more fatty meat than arctic foxes and we can tell by the nitrous levels and the carbon levels in their bones it's it's no it's right there and so not only did they eat lots of fatty meat but they actually ate carnivores who ate meat so they were hyper carnivores they were the carnivores that ate carnivores human beings if you go back in time and so I was watching an anthropology lecture the other day lady who I guarantee use a plant-based diet person she her paradigm hasn't shifted yet she said now we tested these bones and the nitrogen levels we're sure that they ate plants but but the nitrogen levels and the bones are so high that it washed out the carbon so we can't really tell it's like whoa what did you just say hold on what you just said was is they ate almost exclusively meat that's what you just said but her plant-based ideology wouldn't let her hear what she just said now was she being dishonest no she just believes what she believes and she honestly believes that but she said in front of this lecture hall that the the carbon levels were so high that they've washed out the nitrogen so we can't really tell or not you know so high we couldn't really get a reading on the carbon that means that that human that she tested their bones was a carnivore that's what that means they didn't eat enough plants for it to even show up in the carbon in their bones and so I mean it's this is it so if every doctor out there who believes that the plant-based diet is the proper human diet for humans just get an intro to anthropology textbook and read about carbon and nitrogen isotope labeling and you'll know immediately you're wrong you were earnest you were sincere you were well-meaning but you were just wrong humans are built the lots of fatty meat maybe a little veg that's it the end is there enough meat for all of us if we all went carnivore that's a very very good question are we leaving a bad carbon footprint if we do so yeah and so I love the the the quote from dr. Peter Bauer stead he said that you know if you eat a diet that makes you healthier than by definition that makes our planet healthier as well and I think I think that's a very very powerful quote is there currently enough meat on the planet to feed all of us no because we're so busy mono mono cropping millions of acres with soybean with corn with wheat with oats right yeah we've taken up all the pasture land to grow these mono crops in the process we're killing millions of animals to try to protect one or two animals which is what most of us would eat you know you know you know in a year you would eat two big cows in a year but we're killing millions of tiny animals I guess their soul doesn't matter as much as bigger animal souls I'm not sure but yeah if you stopped all the mono cropping and turned all that back into prairie land pasture land I think there'd be a many of you if you did husband animal husbandry rights like we used to do it I think there'd be animals for all of us yeah awesome it's great having you on the show today we can probably talk about this forever because you're a wealth of knowledge but hopefully we'll just get you on the podcast again and I'll get some more of that great knowledge where can people find out more about you and where can people find out more about your book so I have a little YouTube channel they try to put up a new video once a week if you just go to youtube and search dr. berry I think you'll find me I've got a little Facebook page I play around on if you search dr. berry I think you'll find me also got a Twitter I got an Instagram I got a Faro I got a gab I got a tick-tock yeah I'm gonna tick tock I don't know I just I heard on dairy lease that all the kids are there so I'm trying to reach the kids and protect them from type 2 diabetes and fatty liver so I'm on tick-tock making dumbass tick tock videos trying to help the kids before they get fat but the book wise my doctor told me is available wherever books are sold and there's now an audible version so if you're listening to this as you drive you can actually listen to lies my doctor told me on audible awesome and what's your Instagram handle it's uh my Facebook and Instagram handle is can be buried dottie MD and then all my handle everywhere else's kindy Barry MD great thank you so much have a good rest of your day thanks a lot guys I'll see you next time yeah ma'am supercool man he hit us with a lot of good information and I you know if some of that can get you know kind of technical and stuff but it was like you know when you really just break it down if people can get rid of their carbs and watch out for some of those oils sounds like they're on their way to a pretty healthy lifestyle yeah that's what I love about his book is it's broken down so simple I mean he has the the lie that the doctors told us why they tell us that the truth and then what he does and what you should do it's it's broken down so simple yeah it's broken simple and it's also like he gives you the resources to look at these things for yourself right like it'd be different as he's just saying oh this says this and this says this and this says this but he's like look this [ __ ] up look it up or you if you take the energy to live it up you'll see that what I'm saying is actually correct here and then if you do you'll actually find that out so I mean that's why like you know we had that podcast about vegan than Stan right there are a lot of studies you can you can just look up that are going to you know they're going to back up your bias right so you you can't always just rely on a study you mean it obviously shows there's so many things to look for you can't trust everything you hear right you got to be your own advocate I love that that he encourages people to do that that he's helping people take it into their own hands yeah and I think people are well-meaning you know when they go on you know my Instagram you're like aren't you worried about your cholesterol cuz they that's their question like that's their way of asking if I was to try this I would be concerned about my cholesterol but again it's like start to look stuff up start to you know and again I think the main perpetrator of everything is just gaining a lot of weight you know once you start to gain a lot of weight I think it starts to cause a lot of problems in your body that's when insulin resistance starts pre-diabetes starts starts a cascade of things happening in your body that aren't supposed to happen it interrupts your sleep it could later on you know cause like stressors and maybe lead to like heart disease and all kinds of different things once you start to gain weight and then it's like how do you figure out a diet that doesn't allow you to gain excess amounts of body fat yeah and then you can get into it deeper and you can say like well I think this is I think this way specifically is healthier for me keto or carnivore but you don't have to do those things if you can simply gain control over your diet and you can cuz like I disagreed with them on a couple things I think that I think that like potatoes and I think fruits and stuff like that I think are fine for people yeah and I really don't think that people are getting fat off of those things however where I do agree with them is there's a lot of fake health being perpetrated out there and so there's people that are like I'm gonna have a couple sliced oranges tomorrow morning with my oatmeal and with my slice of toast and my cup of coffee and it's like well that's still not great because you're eating that in the morning thinking that's doing something like Pro for yourself and then later on that day you're probably eating things that are still unhealthy for you you're not cleaning up other practices in your life and most of the time I think that food I think that food is like it's it's when you eat like me I don't think that eating meat is necessarily like a positive I think it's like a net of zero although it does give you protein which can help you gain more muscle and stuff but I think you know it's like a net of zero and when you when you eat something that's that's not great for you I think it's like a net of a double negative and so like you're not really necessarily gaining points by by eating healthy all the time but what you're doing is making sure that you're not doing anything shitty to yourself because I think that not eating is actually like a positive and that more people need to try to spend more time not eating than they do eating because we've spent so much time making ourselves unhealthy and making herself sick mm-hmm I really like the thing I really want people to pay attention to there especially like people around like my age 20-somethings is you know we can get away with certain eating habits right now really well you know we can look like and we're in great shape we can feel alright you know eating things that most people would deem crap but it'll creep up on you later and the reason is like he even talked about it insulin resistance gets worse as you get older and then you wonder why you're eating the same things as you were when you're 18 19 20 but you're so much Fator there's there's a reason behind that so it would be really great if like you know you're 20 21 22 start trying to make a few changes now make a few habit changes that are gonna yield when you're in your 30s and your 40s and you'll feel better even John Berardi mentioned it in his podcast like he the the higher carbon take that he had when he was much younger it has not worked for well for him anymore you know he changed as he got older so that's I think that's pretty important for people to realize I remember a few years ago we were at a family gathering and one of my one of our relatives was asking like hey you know here's what we have for food and you know here's what were you know here's what we got and explaining that there was like I think I can't even remember it's like a chili or something there was one form of chili that just didn't have a lot of carbohydrates or maybe it was like a meat and pasta thank you remember but one one option was like didn't have any carbs neither one had carbs and she was like getting bowls of this for everybody and she was like all you probably want the one that doesn't have you know carbs and I was like sure and my brother-in-law was like he's like carbs don't matter for me you know and he just like waved his hand like that and I was like they [ __ ] matter to everybody dude like you you can pretend not to count them but they still count and they still count as points against you in a way and like nowadays he's a lot heavier and it's like men he he just hasn't been paying attention to that and like one day he's gonna unfortunately you know I love him and care about him very much but like one day he's gonna be faced with that he's gonna go to the doctor and the doctors gonna say hey man you know what you're pre-diabetic are you type two diabetic and you need to fix this and here's the here's this sheet of information or here's this book you can go check out you know and and it's like man you could have you could have took some precaution because you know one gets a free pass on that you don't get a free pass on it you don't you don't get to wave your hand at it it doesn't work that way and if you guys were listening grab this book just just go go grab that book seriously like we talked about a lot on this podcast with him but like he goes in-depth on a lot of the stuff that we talked about in the book fibre red meat you know whole grains he goes into that in the book and then the great thing that I was mentioning to mark and Andrew about the book is that like you'll mention a lot of other resources in other books you know that you can go to to learn more and even go more in-depth on these subjects so you can really arm yourself with a good amount of information so it's it's it's an awesome read with a lot of great and that's also break the cycle of not continuing your education and I think that can be a big factor with some doctors is that we've mentioned before they have families they have other places to be they have they have a life outside of being a doctor and once they become a doctor they become extremely busy and so all they really might learn or advance on is maybe more experience on how to deal with patients maybe how to deal with more patients so they can make more money again not a knock on them that's just like that's their business that's a business that they're in and for us you know as patients we can continue to educate ourselves and we can continue to read and listen to podcasts and that's one thing that I thought was great from dr. Berry's that was something I heard him say was that once he became a doctor he stopped learning he stopped educating himself and that was a huge mistake he made and he said I'll never make that again once he got real heavy that's when he's like I better look into this I better educate myself I think the same thing happens with our general public I think the same thing happens with a lot of people as soon as they get a job you know once somebody goes to the education system they do all this learning that they may or may not want to do and then maybe they maybe they choose to go to college or whatever and they get a little bit more of their learn going right and then once a once they get a job though it's like work relationship TV repeat you know for the next ten years and you don't really you don't really progress so let's try to stop that cycle I don't love to read but it is something that I should be doing but I do always educate myself I work really hard on trying to learn more information and trying to be able to you know put that into action Andrew where can people find you buddy you guys can hit me up at I am Andrew Z on Instagram daddy professor hopefully not sneezing all over the place mother my Instagram is not a natty professor anymore I am natty but it's not the nanak professor it is admin Seema yeah anis I'm a iny AMG and by the way mark yeah I know you say you don't read but you listen to a [ __ ] ton of like stuff in books yeah oh so like you you you don't like you still take it a book but you're taking a ton of it good information so that's that's all the time I mean most of my day is spent with like headphones on I'm like listening to something I mean again I I've talked about it before it's like to the point where I don't want to do it anymore like I make myself exhausted from I'm like oh my god why am I doing this and I'll just put on you know well you put on music when you put on music though you're like oh [ __ ] this sounds so good yeah meanwhile like other people that don't listen there's like I can't ever find anything good on rate like whatever you know but when he what's that new song I've been listening to I don't even know what's called it's been putting on repeat but it's Aussie Osbourne and somehow I was born like that dude like from the show super famous if one of it's like a hip hop yeah guy ish I'm terrible I should know this it's like pop culture stuff I should know more about this but be happy that you don't oh god be happy yeah that might be true yeah knows the English guy yeah like that guy right yeah oh wow okay I my sister used to watch that show when we were younger well show it great this is what the song's doing though this other artists is putting Aussie in front of like millions of kids that had no idea who he was okay I have no idea what the songs I need to listen to I don't even know what this song in this since you're not the natty professor anymore does that just mean that you're no longer like teaching classes about being natty since like the professor side you've like kind of stepped away from that yeah no I got tenure so like I no longer need to teach the courses on you know natural I can now teach people how to teach the courses on being natural so I no longer need that anymore tenure is is great yeah I don't know how you use my phone it's like I updated it worse yeah your phone you said my phone's gonna blow up if I update it yeah I don't know god damn it I should know this person's name is gonna drive me crazy someone's posted in the comments you know this is where I lived in it oh here we go take what you want and it's uh Ozzy Osbourne and Travis Scott oh wow Travis Scott okay and it says post Malone he had a pretty good documentary right Naviance yeah that's who that is there we go - laughs this is cool - all right we got it solved I'm at Marc's Millie Bell on Instagram strengthless never a week this week that's never strength catch you all later

Channel: Mark Bell's Power Project

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Length: 120min 54sec (7254 seconds)

Published: Mon Oct 14 2019