Make it Plain: Who is the Antichrist?

we are live yahoo all right all right we're very excited about being here we got a whole lot to cover and uncover so we know it's going to be a blessing amen amen so please share the video tag your friends um you know let people know to bring bring your bibles you know i know a lot of us have them on our devices but make sure you're keeping up with us and sitting alongside with your bible um we promised you guys last week that we would be expounding on what we laid the foundation for and we were going to be as um elder lemon just mentioned uncovering some truths that are written there in scripture for all to see and so we understand that there tends to be a stigma within christianity that there's no way anybody can know who the antichrist is or what the little horn represents um but these are from a better term myths that is a myth it is not true that we cannot identify um who the bible is um plainly speaking about so i just wanted to have everybody um make sure you share the video and introduce our palace for this evening we have pastor iver myers evangelist dwayne lemon elder lance wilbur and myself nefernity and you do not want to hesitate in sharing the video and hopefully we'll have time for questions and answers at the end um with that i turn the floor over to pastor myers okay well uh once again good evening everyone uh it is good to be on with you i'm looking forward to tonight's presentation um for those of you that have been following throughout these last several weeks um we have been uh we've been laying the foundation for everything that we have discussed uh the the idea has been put out there that adventists do not uh depend upon the bible for their teachings i think over the last uh what is this now week five week six something like that um we have hopefully demonstrated that um everything that we have discussed so far we have not used any source except the word of god um and so if you're fair-minded i i hope you can uh at least uh acknowledge that that we have been coming from the scripture um and that's the same thing that we plan to do tonight as we discuss the identity of what the bible calls the antichrist i do want to want to make a point here uh that i think is is very important to understand when it comes to the book of revelation i i like to look at the book of revelation as the revealing not only of the revealing of jesus christ but the book of revelation also reveals just how much you know about the bible the reason i say that is because book of revelation is basically where the rubber meets the road if you don't have a correct understanding of the other books of the bible that come before the book of revelation you will most likely not understand the book of revelation right uh your understanding of the gospel your understanding of the plan of salvation your understanding of uh uh the work of jesus christ it must all it all meets in the book of revelation if you have the right understanding the book of revelation is going to make sense to you if you do not have a right understanding if you have incomplete understanding the book of revelation is a mystery it remains a mystery and that's why you have so many people who um who saved the book of revelation cannot be understood right so uh i want to encourage you that the book of revelation can be understood we're gonna demonstrate some of that tonight so uh without further ado we're gonna i'm gonna share my screen and what i'm going to do tonight to open up this study is to simply show the connection between the books of daniel and revelation when it comes to understanding the antichrist power so i'm going to read through revelation chapter 13. not a whole lot of commentary i'm going to do the same for a portion of daniel 7 and then i'm going to show you some identifying parts and then i'm going to come over so let's go ahead and begin i'm gonna uh go to my screen here can you guys see my screen okay uh so okay all right here we go so revelation 13 in revelation chapter 13 john is envisioned and here's what he writes he says i stood upon the sand of the sea now i want you to notice the words that i have highlighting okay john is standing where on the sand of the sea he says i saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns and upon his horns ten crowns and upon its heads the names of the name of blasphemy and the beast which i saw was like onto a leopard and his feet were as the feet of a bear and his mouth was a mouth of a lion and the dragon gave him his power and his seat and his great authority so what i want you to focus on there's a sea there's a beast with seven heads ten horns the beast looks like a leopard a bear a lion and the dragon gives gives him his power and authority verse three continues i saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death and his deadly moon was healed and all the world wandered after them and they worshiped the dragon which gave power to the beast and they worshipped the beast saying who is like unto him unto the beast who is able to make war with him now notice verse 5 and there was given him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months and he opened his mouth in blasphemy against god to blaspheme his name and his tabernacle and then that dwell in heaven verse seven that's the nice love to him i'm sorry um i know that we prayed before we came on but we forgot to pray okay my god i thought we had prayed as well okay you want to praise this okay dear lord thank you once again for bringing us here together thank you for the opportunity to share your word um and to commune with you i ask that you um lead out in this conversation that me be with our hearts and with our minds and with those who are listening lord and let nothing but your truth be spoken to your honor into your glory in jesus name we pray amen amen amen so revelation 13 7 continues and it was given unto him now who is the him here we're going to see that the him here is none other than the antichrist power the bible says it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them and power was given him over all kindreds and tongues and nations now notice this and all that dwell upon the earth and what is that next word right there y'all see that next word shall that next word is shall so where does that put this this power past or future in the day of john when john is in vision and he is seeing this vision is this power that the whole world will worship is it a future power or is it a present power or is that a past power i can't see the chat box but i'm hoping that everyone clearly sees that this is future all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him whose names are not written and i want you to notice what's mentioned in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world okay that's revelation chapter 13 and we have now seen that what's happening in revelation chapter 13 particularly this anti-christ power who wars against the saints um who who who blasphemes against god is a future power from the day of john john is writing during the roman empire now let's go to daniel chapter 7 and i want you to notice what it is said what is said in daniel chapter 7 where daniel has his vision notice what the bible says the first year of belgium our kingdom babylon daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed and he wrote that told us some of the matters daniel speaking said i saw in my vision by night and behold the four winds of heaven strove upon the great sea all right wait a minute pastor someone rings a bell here because i remember in revelation 13 where is john standing john is standing on the sands of the sea and he sees a beast rise up out of the sea let's go to verse 3 of daniel chapter 7 and four great beasts came up from the sea diverse one from another wow this is sounding very familiar guys yes it is daniel 7 4. the first was like a lion does that sound familiar yes he had eagles wings that i'll be held till the wings there were plucked and it was lifted up from the earth and made stand up on the feet as a man and a man's heart was given to him what about the second beast i be heroic and behold and behold another second lie to a bear and it raised up itself on one side and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it and they said thus unto it arise the viral much flesh verse six after this i beheld and lo another like a leopard which had upon the back of it four wings of a foul the beast also had four heads and dominion was given to it after this i saw in the night and then behold a fourth beast dreadful and terrible and strong exceeding and it had great iron teeth it devoured and breaking pieces it stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it and it had 10 horns i want you to notice the similarities daniel 7 daniel sees four beasts one of those beasts has four heads so if you take the leopard that has four heads the lion that has one head the bear that has one head and this fourth beast that has one head that's seven heads all together and then ten horns just as we saw in the book of revelation daniel is john the revelator is seen as beast as one beast having seven heads and ten horns let's keep going the bible says in daniel 7 8 i consider the horns and behold there came up among them another little horn before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and behold in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man and a one a mouth speaking great things very interesting guys because in revelation 13 after john sees this beast that has seven heads and ten horns he then goes on to describe this mouth that is speaking blasphemies against god i want you to see the parallel here between daniel 7 and revelation chapter 13. remember revelation chapter 13 puts this power that speaks great things in the future of the roman empire let's keep reading daniel 7 21 speaking of the same little horn i beheld in the same horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them does this sound familiar verse 22 until the angel of days came and judgment was given to the saints of the most high and the time came that the saints should possess the kingdom so whoever this little horn is he continues until the coming of the ancient of days very important to keep in mind let's read verse 25 of the same book of daniel speaking of the same little horn he saw speak great words against the most and shall wear out or persecute the saints of the most high and think to change times and laws and they shall be given into his hand until the time and times and the dividing of time which happens to be the same time period as 42 months we are seeing a clear parallel here between daniel 7 and revelation 13. but what about daniel 8 in daniel 8 the same little horn is described and i want you to notice what verses 10 and 11 say about this same little horn it whacks great even to the host of heaven and it cast down some of the whole of the stars to the ground and stamped upon them yea he magnified himself to the prince of the host that that would be jesus and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away and the place of his sanctuary was cast down you are seeing parallel after parallel between revelation chapter 13 and this mouth speaking blasphemous things uh uh blasphemy the tabernacle of god persecuting the saints of the most high doing it for 42 months for a time times and the dividing of time and the book of revelation puts this power after the death burial perfection of jesus christ i want you to think here i want you to understand there is no way under heaven or under earth that this little horn power can represent antiochus epiphanes who came before the roman empire who came before john the revelator who came before jesus walked on this earth all right so we're going to recap and i'm going to pass it over to dwayne or or lance let's recap revelation we see sea we see a beast rising up out of the sea it has seven heads and ten horns this includes the beast looks like a leopard a bear a lion a dragon all the world wonders after the beast it has a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies it continues for forty in two months it's it commits blasphemy against god it blasphemes against his tabernacle it makes war things it overcomes the saints for some time and all shall future tense shall worship him whose names are not written in the book of the life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world so notice that a book is mentioned in connection with the work of this antichrist power it is the book of life of the land let's recap daniel in daniel we see a great sea we see a beast like a lion one like a bear one like a leopard the beast this leopard beast has four heads and the fourth beast has ten horns making a total of seven heads and ten horns after we see these seven heads and ten horns there is another little horn that comes up after it in this horn are the eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth speaking great thing the same horn makes war with the saints and prevails against them until the ancient of days comes he wants to speak great words against the most high wear out the stinks of the more pride they uh be given the the saints will be given to his hand for a time times and the dividing of time which is the same thing as 42 months it waxes great even to the host of heaven just as it does in revelation chapter 13 it passed starts to the ground just as it does in revelation 13 the place of the sanctuary is cast down god's sanctuary is cast down just as this mouth speaking great things blasphemes against the tabernacle of god and finally the judgment is set in daniel chapter 7 and the books are opened in connection with this little horn antichrist power let me come out and share my screen okay i just did that that would usually be an entire study on its own y'all know that y'all are laughing at me right now they know the people begging for the slides already like we need the slime we're talking about this earlier i think i can do this quickly i know y'all probably like what 45 minutes [Laughter] i i'm simply demonstrating to you something very very important to understand your understanding of daniel 7 and this little horn must match the book of revelation the books of daniel and revelation go together they are hand in hand if your interpretation of daniel 7 does not match your interpretation of the interpretation of daniel 13 you have the wrong understanding if your interpretation of daniel chapter 8 does not match what's happening in revelation 13 you have the wrong understanding no matter how much you want to cling to that and i say this with all the love and you know non pride that i can muster you have the wrong understanding your understanding must parallel two books together when you separate these books and treat them as different entities yeah you can come up with whatever you want to come up with but only the truth let me repeat this again and say it slowly only the truth will match daniel 7 and revelation chapter 13 so that it is the same interpretation revelation 13 puts this future of john's day so whatever the answer to these to the the identification of this little horn anti-christ power is it must match the identifying marks found in revelation 13 daniel 7 and daniel 8. all right who wants to take it over all right i'm jumping in last year oh yeah i got i got a question for y'all because we keep mentioning it and it keeps getting repeated and i know you know we're going to explain it but at least at this moment could we do a quick what in the world does it even mean when the bible says blasphemy or great things or what does blasphemy mean is there a quick bible definition for that i i definitely have it coming up as we get ready to go into slides one thing we know for sure is that it has to be negative because of the way that daniel 7 25 puts it right because daniel 7 and verse 25 it says he shall speak great words which is synonymous to the great things in daniel 7. uh it says that it will be against the most high and coupled with that is it's wearing out or killing the saints of god so we know for sure that and and you know we're going to unfold it more as we as we go through the study but we're going to make it very clear what these great words are uh which matches perfectly the antichrist power that's going to be exposed so we're definitely going to jump into that so one of the things that i want to do is i i want to draw our minds here let me let me bring this point out very clearly acts 17 and verse 11. this is going to be a very important text for us because we need you who are watching to fulfill acts 17 and verse 11. so i'm just going to read it very quickly as we get ready to go deeper and deeper because sometimes you know you get really excited oh man we're going to hear who the antichrist christ is and you are but to be firm in it to be firm in what has been presented to you you've got to fulfill acts 17 and verse 11. so here's what it says it says these were more noble than than those in thessalonica in that they received the word with all readiness of mine and searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so you got to do that family it's like because you're getting a lot of information we know that there's some people on this uh meeting that are students of prophecy so a lot of things pastor myers has been sharing you know your minds may be able to say yep okay i remember going over that yep okay yeah i can make that connection and it's not a problem but i got a feeling it's not a minority it's probably a majority of those of us who are saying wow okay never heard that never looked at it this way and again i mean it when i say i thank god for the recordings you're gonna have to go back you're going to have to go over every point and make sure according to your daily searching of the scriptures that these things are so what i want to do is i want to draw our attention to the book of daniel chapter 7. i want to draw attention to daniel 7 and then i'm going to share the screen in daniel chapter 7 you'll you'll notice this i you know i i remember hating my history classes in public school and you know it just had zero interest whatsoever it's only after i became a student of the bible and especially a student of bible prophecy that these little alerts would go off in my head when i started studying these kingdoms that we identified several weeks ago you know babylon medo-persia greece and then eventually rome and when i remember looking at that i was saying to myself wait a minute i remember hearing something like that in class and i began to lament all of that ignoring of that information that was offered to me so long ago but you know we know thus far or at least we should know the great four world kingdoms that the bible in daniel 2 daniel 7 and daniel 8 we have identified this before these kingdoms are indeed babylon media project greece and rome but it's interesting in daniel 7 that one of these kingdoms really caught daniel's attention i mean daniel is is he's saying things like i'm considering this beast more than even the other beast and so an example of that is daniel chapter seven and i got a quick question have we already because i know i wasn't on the call last week did we identify what a beast even represents how have we did we did we identify that oh thank you amen so we know that the beast represents a king with a kingdom okay now when daniel we're in daniel 7 by time you get down to that fourth beast here it is in verse seven after this i saw in the night visions and behold a fourth beast dreadful and terrible and strong exceedingly now watch this and it had great iron teeth it devoured and breaking pieces and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it and it had 10 horns as a result of this in verse 8 daniel says i considered the horns and behold there came up among them another little horn before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and behold in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man and a mouth-speaking great things if you fast forward over into daniel and again we begin looking at uh verse 19. notice how daniel is going to bring this thing up again daniel says then i would know the truth of the fourth beast which was diverse from all the others exceeding dreadful whose teeth were of iron and his nails of brass which devoured breaking pieces and stamped the residue with his feet verse 20 and of the 10 horns that were in his head and of the other which came up and before whom three fell even of that horn that had eyes and a mouth that spake very great things whose look was more stout than his fellows i beheld and the same horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them obviously if you're a child of god like daniel was if you're a child of god and you just heard this beast power this fourth beast this little horn that's going to come up out of it is going to war against your brothers and your sisters not only that but according to verse 21 for a period of time it's actually going to prevail over them that should cause you to have tremendous concern in other words that's why daniel is so focused on this beast because this beast is developing a reputation that none of the other beasts had as profoundly so here it is daniel saying okay this beast is going to try to wear out god's people my brothers and my sisters i want to know more about this and therefore he's considering this horn this power is what we have termed the anti-christ power this is a power that is against the principles of the gospel it's against the principles of heaven as we already have identified it's casting down the truth to the ground is trying to tear down god's principles in the sanctuary it is a most terrible power this power needs to be more specifically identified so that way we as god's people can know what it is and know the best ways to approach it from this standpoint i'm now going to share my screen because what i want us to do is kind of take a look here as we start to you know address this question you know are there some clear points of identification of who this power is and we're going to go over several of them brother lance myself and i'm sure pastor myers and sister nefer at times will uh throw in some thoughts as well but we're going to go over this starting with the idea of this god actually gives characteristics of of the antichrist in daniel 7 so that we can be certain of its identity i'm going to tell you in advance one of the best ways to really identify it is i'm going to put these things on the screen but i want you to kind of check it i want you to go back to daniel the seventh chapter look through the chapter because i want you to watch this number one the little horn or kingdom it came up among them that's what it said in verse 8 of daniel 7 that we read the 10 horns which were the kingdoms of western europe because obviously if we're dealing with rome we know that we're dealing with europe okay so that's kind of a no-brainer so it would be a little kingdom somewhere in western europe has to be okay because again horns represent kingdoms so it has to be a kingdom that's gonna come up somewhere in that western european area because that obviously is where rome is number two it would have eyes like the eyes of a man and speak great things we have to break that down like what does that mean and we're going to let scripture be the key that unlocks scripture number three it stated it would pluck up or uproot three kingdoms it also said that in daniel 7 and verse 8 4 it would be diverse now again we didn't read verse 24 in our time together thus far but it has been read in the past and again i'm encouraging you to read it you'll see it is very clear in daniel 7 verse 24 it specifies this little horn was going to be different from the other kingdoms those other kingdoms that were beforehand then number five it would make war with and wear out or persecute the saints you saw that in verse 21 but again it's reiterated in verse 25 with more detail then it would emerge from the pagan uh roman empire from the fourth world kingdom because remember it was it was rome that was the fourth beast but then it says this little horn is coming up out of it so it's literally going to emerge from the pagan roman empire then god's people the saints would be given you heard pastor myers kind of talk about this a little bit as he was doing the parallelism between revelation and daniel it says god's people which are the saints would be given into his hand for times end times and the dividing of time we need to understand that what does that mean uh it would speak also great words against or blaspheme god and you see that in daniel 7 25 but it also says in revelation 13 5 in other words why i hope you caught how pastor myers was trying to parallel revelation and daniel and showing how their companion books then you heard brother lance asked the question well you know what is this great things or is it blasphemy why do we get this idea of blasphemy because as you heard earlier in the description of revelation 13 it says that beast power which is the same power it says the bible says that same power speaks great things and blasphemies so that's the reason why we're coupling blasphemy with whatever constitutes these great words against the most high and so when we look at all of this finally it will also think and i'm listen y'all we we have a sure word of prophecy i mean it's beautiful the bible did not say it will it says it will think to change times and laws we need to identify who this is so that we can make it very clear now often when we hear antichrist if you've never studied it before you know we sometimes allow books comic books movies novels you know we allow these things to kind of direct our minds and when we allow these things to direct our minds when you hear antichrist you often think of some evil person and i mean people have named presidents they've named leaders in in in various nations and they say oh that that person's the antichrist you know we've heard these things but not so you're going to notice it's a little bit deeper than that so right from the jump i just want to give a little caution to all of us to remember you know this is a system of worship that we're identifying not specific persons i want to be clear on that this is a system of worship that we are identifying in the book of revelation the last great crisis between god and his people is over the issue of worship okay so it's a system of worship that we're identifying not specific persons and our focus is identifying the antichrist power or system that ultimately is trying to cast down and tear down god's truth so what we're going to do now is we're going to jump into some identifying points there are some people who already know this uh you know quite honestly historians and i'm not talking about seventh day adventists i'm talking about various evangelical historians etc they have already come to their conclusion on who this constitutes and it's none other than the papacy or the roman catholic church system please don't lose that not roman catholic people but the roman catholic church system and so what i want to do is because this is such a wide teaching in the world of christendom i want to go ahead and challenge this question by answering it and just simply saying okay does the papacy fit these points and we're going to go through a few steps to find out here's the first step remember it says that it came up among the ten kingdoms of western europe literally the geographical location of the papal power was in rome italy the very heart of the territory of western europe this is why in the world of christianity in the world of christendom there is no question that the roman catholic church is the the the system that emerged up out of what today we would call pagan rome all right original rome number two it says it would have eyes like the eyes of a man now this is where it gets interesting we got to let the bible break this down yes the roman catholic church does come up literally right out of the uh the very heart of the territory of western europe that's very accurate but this one here it would have eyes like the eyes of a man in other words it will be blinded by its own self-righteousness and forgetful of god's righteousness or god's righteous judgment that would eventually fall upon it where did i get this from well let's take a look number one in proverbs 27 and verse 20 this is what we call parallelism making one point but expressing it in two or more ways it says hell and destruction are never full then it says so the eyes of man are never satisfied this is going to be a power that is going to literally function like the eyes of man it is never going to be satisfied it wants total dominion it wants total rulership and nothing is going to stop it from accomplishing its goals the same way hell and destruction are never full so the eyes of man are never satisfied not only that but the bible also says in proverbs 16 and verse 2 it says all the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes but the lord with the spirits literally this eyes of a man is dealing with self-exaltation they think all their ways are right no one can correct them but they don't understand that the lord is the one that weighs the spirits what does it mean when god says he weighs the spirit how about this one proverbs 21 and verse 2 every way of a man is right in his own eyes but the lord ponders the hearts god shows over and over and over again this is why you you get these verses like um you know jeremiah 17 and verse 9 you know the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked or in proverbs 14 and verse 12 there is a way right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death here it is that we're seeing that the eyes of a man according to the scripture is dealing with one who is never satisfied and is very self-exalting and is ignorant of the true judgment and the true searching of hearts that god does when he ultimately allows his judgments to fall on a group or or on an individual and so we see that in this second identification point the question is does the papacy have a self-righteous attitude and again we're dealing with a system does it have an attitude where it exalts itself above god does it exalt itself above the words of god that's the question because any organization that does that is functioning like a system that has the eyes of a man all right continuing yes my sister i'm sorry um i'm seeing people saying that it's a little blurry um if you guys enlarge your screen to full size you should be able to see it better um if not i'll continue to monitor the comments and what i may have to do is just let your slide take over the whole screen and they just won't be able to see us oh yeah why don't you do that because i'm i'm not able especially at this point to kind of adjust it so if you can let it cover the whole screen and then just bring it back once i'm done then that would be best so that way people can see um i'll go back real quick you can see those previous slides all right let me know sister never when that's when it when it's covering the full screen it's done okay cool so again in point number one remember we're just trying to make sure we understand this does the roman catholic church system fit the points that daniel 7 was explaining that ultimately results in this antichrist power because that's a very strong accusation and it needs to be biblically backed and it has to be consistent and so point number one we notice it came up among the ten kingdoms of western europe and that geographically speaks well to the roman catholic church because we know that it's based right there in the very heart of western europe which is in rome italy then the second thing it would have eyes like the eyes of a man and we were just showing the verses so you all heard the explanation but those are the verses proverbs 27 and verse 20 uh proverbs 16 and verse 2 and proverbs 21 and verse 2. again does the question is does the roman catholic church system have a mindset where it exalts itself above god that it exalts itself above the truths and the teachings of the word of god does it function as if it does not fear god's judgments that would come upon it knowing that god is the one that righteously weighs the spirit and judges the heart these are the things that we're looking to make that connection number three yeah man let me just add a point to this here it's important first well that when it says little horn came up among them it's pointing to the fact that the little horn would rise up as these other horns were rising up a little bit after them but around that same time period so this is not something that is put off way way way into the future it is rising up shortly after the fall of the roman empire but at the same time that these other nations are coming out of rome and it dwells among them so again this is not something that some future restored europe that a lot of christians believe that that you know these 10 kingdoms represent a future restoration of europe among which this antichrist power will arise this is something that can be proven historically this power comes up while the ten horns were coming out of rome and you know the reason why that's a really important point either is because of of this next point we're bringing up because remember it actually uproots three of the kingdoms so it had to be in existence right there at the time of those ten kingdoms it had to be because how could you uproot three of them if it's way out in the future now now you just broke the prophecy and you broke the trend of scripture so excellent point because this is another yeah and one and one thing yeah go ahead and in addition to that when people get caught up about catapulting uh the little horn or the antichrist into the future with modern europe is people have to remember even in the 20th century like the current pro lines uh that separate the nations of europe right now weren't even the same lines yep less than 100 years ago you know though those lines have changed even in art um modern time and they've changed over the course of the centuries so this this power is a part of that original development of what we now consider europe and and has always been there and essentially will at one point rise to supremacy it rises to supremacy descent declines and then rises up again absolutely again excellent points now on this point again dealing with those kingdoms it says it would pluck up or uproot three kingdoms now you know you take anything that's rude it's officially destroyed there's no coming back the same way like you would do with a tree or anything else once you take out the root then it's over so let's look at what it says the emperors and this is very consistent and that's why you really can't understand bible prophecy faithfully without also looking into history this this is why you know if any of you are like me you know hating history always feeling like it's overwhelming or just totally not interested you know to a degree the devil is he rejoices over that he wants us to stay away from it because the more we stay away from history the harder it is for us to make the connections that we read from bible prophecy and so we do well to kind of revisit history now looking at it through the light of scripture that's how history can become super hyper interesting nevertheless it says the emperors of western europe were largely catholic catholic and supported the papacy in its growth and authority as a matter of fact i'm going to go here uh one book that is very very good the book of daniel is written by a gentleman by the name of taylor bunch page 100. he makes this point about this uh historical event of this uprooting and he says it was three of the first horns that were uprooted or subdued in the fourth century aries a priest of alexandria began teaching that christ was the first created being and was therefore inferior to the father the council of nicaea called by constantine in 325 a.d condemned aries as a heretic and his teachings as heresy arianism however continued to grow until four of the ten kingdoms were aryan in belief now watch this three of these were the heralai the vandals and the ostrogos through war and diplomacy the papacy which clung to the nicene creed endeavored to destroy these heretical nations it was three of the first that were uprooted and destroyed so when you look at these ten kingdoms this is what they were called on the left and then you know to your right this is the uh locations of what we would call them today visigoths would be spain anglo-saxons was england frank's was france alemany was germany the burgundians were switzerland the lumbars were italy and the suevi were portugal but then when you get to the herald the ostrogoths and vandals they've been completely uprooted and we can actually learn this in history and once again the roman catholic church matches perfectly with what was stated would ultimately result in the uprooting of the three kingdoms another powerful point is it says it would be diverse or different from the other kingdoms this one is kind of a no-brainer isn't it because the the papacy clearly fits this description because it comes on the scene as a religious slash christian power and it was totally different from the secular nature of the other ten kingdoms did you have a comment just now system effort no no go ahead you're good oh no not a problem so again you know obviously the roman catholic church would fit this because it was diverse it did not function by the principles of paganism in fact paganism became baptized into christianity what ended up happening is the worship of jupiter would now be called peter or the worship of isis would now be called mary and you know there was a bunch of name changing with that name you saw earlier constantine it was like they basically baptized their paganism and now began to join with the christian church which is very very consistent with christian history as we look at constatine and all of what was done so it was diverse from the other kingdoms because of its standard and i'll bring out one more point here and then let lance kind of chime in on some of this you know it also says it would make war with and persecute the saints now you know forgive me for that uh let's see how do i bring that back you still see the screen it's black so no yeah that's weird how that happened let me see stop screen okay share screen there's me just one second family i just want to pull that piece back up because that was very very important just now uh bear with me just one second okay good excellent i'm going to bring us right back to this and entire screen all right share screen there we are all right so again when we look at this point right here it will make war with and persecute the saints this is something that's so easy to prove that this fits the the roman catholic church not only from history right because it says that the church did persecute a well-known fact uh the papacy clearly admits to doing this much supportive evidence exists even conservative historians claim the church probably destroyed at least 50 million people over matters of religious conviction a couple of the comments here you know that the church of rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind will be questioned by no protestant who has a competent knowledge of history did you know in the year 2000 there was something that the roman catholic church never ever did by way of its representative the pope it was actually in the new york times in the new york times march 13 2000 i could never forget it i remember being in midtown new york uh you know in manhattan i mean i remember this thing clear as day and here's what the article stated pope asks forgiveness for errors of the church over 2000 years it goes on to say saying we humbly ask forgiveness john paul ii today delivered the most sweeping papal apology ever repenting for the errors of his church over the last 2 000 years he says we cannot recognize the betrayal of the gospel commanded by some of our brothers especially in the second millennium the pope dressed in purple robes for lent said in his homily recognizing the deviations of the past serves to reawaken our consciences to the compromises of the present it was not just pope uh john paul ii but even pope francis look pope francis apologizes for persecution of pentecostals july 28th i believe this was 2000 maybe 17 or 18. it says pope francis sought forgiveness for decades of persecution of italian pentecostals when he met with around 300 evangelicals from the u.s argentina and italy in southern town of casarta on monday in fact we know that there was the vudua the waldensians that suffered terribly under the hand of rome but notice pope francis asked waldensian christians to forgive the church francis has become the first pope in history to visit a waldensian evangelical church why is it that he did that because we all know that the waldensians were those who they held to fundamental bible truth including the seventh day sabbath and as they suffered terrible persecution under the roman power which is going to fit into that times times and dividing of times or uh the 42 months you know these things are just showing us that it is none other than the papacy that thus far is matching very strongly with the identifying points that we're reading in the book of daniel chapter 7 and next week we're going to really cover in revelation 13 verse chapter 17 and chapter 18. and so brother lance you know i'll go ahead and let you start chiming in as well or if anybody wants to chime in on the points that have already been shared and then we can kind of progress in our study of really identifying fully who is this antichrist power that daniel is speaking about yeah i want to kind of just take a a little a slight detour it's not really a detour because we have to really layer this as we're talking about this little horn power and you know drawing conclusions whether or not this is reflected in in the papal system and how that emerges from the pagan roman empire there's there's there's a few places in the new testament even outside of of revelation but there's two kind of passages i want to look at that give us some kind of clear insight that this was a progressive movement or or a progressive apostasy that slowly deviated from the truth and emerged into this supremacy that could then take authority and persecute so you know let's not that one of the other thing points of diversity for this kingdom um from the previous kingdoms you know babylon meteors of greece there were there was no one great battle that you know the pope wasn't out there fighting with a you know his little staff um and they won this great battle and and beat the roman empire and then they became the next kingdom it was a slow decay the roman empire fell over many many centuries and declined and declined and declined and as they declined the papacy kind of emerged as the dominant force politically and religiously to the point where it gained supremacy so the two passages i want to look at and anybody can jump in at any time the first one is in uh the epistle of john so we know the apostle john who wrote the book of revelation also wrote three letters in addition to the gospel of john in the book of revelation he also wrote three letters uh in the new testament so i'll actually want to look at one of them and we're gonna look at first john chapter two and we're going to just read a little passage here i'm going to try to um explain it a little bit i don't want to go too deep into it but it gives us some things that we need to think about so it starts off uh we're going to start in first john chapter 2 verse 15. it says do not love the world or the things in the world if anyone loves the world the love of the father is not in him for all that is in the world the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life is not of the father but is of the world and the world is passing away in the lust of it but he who does the will of god abides forever now the only point i want to make here because you can go on and on about this short passage is what john is doing here is something that's very uh intentional he is intentionally connecting the reader of this letter all the way back to the beginning of the controversy on earth when genesis chapter 3. if you remember when the serpent in chapter 3 started dialoguing with eve and eventually convinced eve to eat the bible says that when she saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes and desirable to make one wise she took an eight so this this kind of three-fold um deception or apostasy is something that's maintained all throughout scripture so it goes into he expounds on that in verse 18 so he says little children it is the last hour again he's talking about you know prophetic end times and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming even now many antichrists have come by which we know that it is the last hour so he's talking about this this remember we said that the antichrist is not one individual person who said it's a system and what john is telling us under the influence of the holy spirit is that this this power even as he is speaking at that moment in the first century is already starting to develop the seeds of that that apostate movement are already starting to develop and he says in verse 19 they went out from us but they were not of us for if they had been with us for if they had been of us they would have continued with us but they went out that they might be made manifest that no none of them were us he's just saying it in a roundabout way that these this spirit of antichrist is not coming from some pagan place it's coming from within the church quote unquote amongst the believers quote unquote and is now developing into its own kind of apostate movement um so again um skipping down to verse 21 it says i have not written to you because you do not know the truth but because you know it and that no lie is of the truth it says who is a liar but he who denies that jesus is the christ the messiah the anointed one he is antichrist who denies the father and the son whoever denies the son does not have the father either he who acknowledges the son as the father also so remember as lemon was highlighting this whole controversy over aryanism and how that was starting to uh split the church in many ways and you had all of these different movements i'd like to put something into perspective again historically you have to take the time to look at it but the the church was already you know by the late first century the church was already spread through most of the world you know within one generation the message of the gospel of christ had gone to virtually every corner of the earth the uh anywhere where there were jewish people you know there's there's records in history there were jewish settlements in china japan all over the place in the world because of the several diasporas and all the exiles and the captivities jewish people were all over the planet and wherever they were jewish people the apostles could go and begin to spread the gospel not counting all the jews that would come to jerusalem and hear the truth about the gospel hear about john the baptist and about christ and the crucifixion the message will go out to the whole world and so you had different influences that were corrupting the church movement and so one of the primary cities was alexandria egypt and there were dynamics there one of the cities you know that remember with the first place in the bible does anybody remember in the bible the first place that the movement followers of the movement were called christians anybody remember the name of that city and just sitting yeah it's a city in syria that was named anti-antioch so antioch was it was another major world city that was where the church was was present and then rome was another influence a primary influencing city you know it's a world city like in new york or paris or london and rome is still a world city today so there was uh so if you remember the eastern and western church eventually there was a split even in the catholic church between the the eastern and the western even there was a split in the roman empire between the eastern and the western uh versions of the roman empire that's why constantine was fairly significant in him being one to unify uh the split but these influences that were bombarding the church in these locals you know cities in the surrounding regions were kind of vying for political influence so rome was was almost from the very beginning lobbying and fighting to control the movement from its seat just as alexandria was and just as the eastern church was and so there were major divisions and again at some point we'll trace some of these points through history i'm sure but it's a very interesting study to consider and and i'm making all that point because in first john chapter 2 john is highlighting the fact that this tension and this struggle and this this influence is already at work and it's already working in the movement and it's what is it doing it's denying christ it's denying the messiah so i want to jump to another um passage it's back a little bit in second thessalonians and the second thessalonians chapter two so first john chapter two and second thessalonians chapter two and paul now is telling us the same thing so we know that remember in the bible you know one of those underlying principles is where there's two or three witnesses so even though we're already at the at the macro level we have the two witnesses of daniel revelation now even when we layer that again we have john now doubling with paul and and confirming all of these things and the warning is going out to the movement at that time that there's something that's working now and that's going to be very evident in the future which is which again can help us eliminate any identification or association of the antichrist with a power from the residue of the grecian empire you know the antiochus epiphanes and such in the persian empire we can't we can't do that hey lance um remember remember i made a point earlier about the eyes of a man and that's self-exalting does it exalt itself above god etc as i put that question out i want you to remember that question as lance gets ready to go through second thessalonians chapter two because as he starts walking through second thessalonians we're going to answer that question that we discovered about uh the principle of the eyes of a man and this mouth that speaks great things so notice what it says as we begin going through second thessalonians go ahead all right starting with verse 1 of chapter 2 it says now brethren concerning the coming of our lord jesus christ and our gathering together to him we ask you not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled either by spirit or by word or by letter as if from us as though the day of christ had come let no one deceive you by any means for that day again let's talk about the day of the lord you know the the the day of god uh the day when god resolves the controversy and settles the matter so that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition now if i i believe we already covered this but if not we'll repeat it here when we go through some of the through revelation 13 and the rest of daniel 7 that is there's a phrase in the old testament called son of belial and in the new testament it's called son of perdition it's associated with judas it's also associated with satan and it's also associated with the antichrist as we're going to see in a moment here but the man of sin or the son of perdition or the antichrist are all synonymous so it says here in verse 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called god or that is worshiped so that he sits as god in the temple of god showing himself that he is god so again it's giving us more attributes of this antichrist power and it says do you not remember that when i was still with you i told you these things um and verse seven it says for the mystery of lawlessness or the mystery of iniquity is already at work only who he who restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way and the lawless or the wicked one be revealed then the lord will consume with the breath of his mouth in the brightness of his coming so without going further the point is in the time of paul as in the time of john in the first century and we're in second thessalonians when the you know 50 60s and in the time of first john were in the you know 80s 90s in the time of the first century the spirit of antichrist is already beginning to manifest itself but it's going to go into complete apostasy if you will a complete declension in the future so they're standing in the time of the roman empire and they're warning us under the spirit they're warning us that the running the church that the antichrist is coming and this is what it's going to look like so when john you know one of the the final books of the new testament is written in the in the late 1st century revelation is encapsulating all of this and focusing as much attention as a focus on the lamb and the father and the spirit and the godhead it's focusing almost equal amount of attention on this counterfeit godhead the man of sin the son of perdition satan and his forces to so everyone who is standing at at that time and in the future can choose which side they're going to worship because both are going to make certain claims and both are going to claim to be god and sit in the throne of god but every individual has to make a choice as to who they're going to worship so when it talks about standing in the place of god or denying the cr christ you have to remember the essence of the gospel we covered it i believe a couple weeks ago romans chapter 1 16 and 17 the power of god under salvation the gospel of jesus christ and if you remember in galatians chapter 2 verse 21 it tells us that if righteousness came by the law then christ died in vain so so it's not just about oh well hey the catholic church they're christians they they don't deny jesus or deny the father it's not about acknowledging existence because we were if you remember back in james chapter one you know in james chapter 12 the bible tells us that the devils also believe so satan doesn't deny the existence of god or the existence of the son so it's not about that it's about denying the power of the gospel you know having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof creating an alternative system that claims that you can achieve salvation by some alternate route other than by faith in christ and and this is the major underpinning of the spirit of antichrist and is most profoundly or at least i think obviously there's more of a case to make but i believe it's most profoundly illustrated in the system that we're that that is being discussed right now and i want to jump in on that point because this is an echo of the very origin of how sin came into our world satan had no you see remember man was made in the image of god right man was god has always made it clear he wants us to be like him you know you read that in first peter 1 15 and 16 as god is holy be also holy matthew 5 48 as god is perfect be ye perfect you know god wants us to be like him he wants us to reflect him of course the devil comes in and he perverts it so what did he do in the garden he says you'll be at god you'll be as gods but he says but you can do it without following exactly what god says and so that that that's a theme that you literally see all throughout scripture from genesis to revelation yes you can be like god you can you can reflect god you can reflect godliness but you don't have to follow it the way god said it and that is very much indicative of antichrist power if you look at titus chapter one it's funny if you compare roman i'm sorry if you compare john 14 and verse 12 with titus chapter 1 and verse 16. it's a very interesting comparison in romans 14 i'm sorry in john 14 and verse 12 jesus says if you believe in me the works that i do shall you do also so notice that if you do believe in me the works i do you'll do also but when you get to titus chapter 1 there were religionists in this day that were professing god but then paul has a commentary in verse 16. he says they profess that they know god but in works they deny him being abominable and disobedient and unto every good work reprobate so again when you know we know antichrist is it is a denial of god you can actually profess religion as brother lance was saying but notice how the scripture shows you can actually still deny god go professing to know him by your works by the things you're teaching by the things you're doing and so this is why it's a very very very important point when you hear brother lance saying hey you know denying god does not mean that you have to literally have a article document a creed that says we deny god what it is is being exposed to the truth of god knowing exactly what the word of god says but then by your works you choose to do opposite of it and you're bold about it and you even make some pretty powerful statements which we are going to unfold in a moment and that's how you start discovering the anti-christ power and so please don't lose that point i i i said nah man i'm not i'm not going i'm gonna make sure they they they dive in on that point you just made brother lance because that's very important when we're identifying the antichrist power it's not that they deny god of no existence but by their works professing to know god they actually are denying it being abominable disobedient and in all things reprobate so that's a very important point i just wanted to bring that point out amen oh i don't know about y'all but i feel like i gotta catch my breath yeah oh praise god that's just it's just a really uh poignant and beautiful articulation of the fact that you know i asked this question on facebook a couple of days ago whether christianity is the narrow way or whether there is a narrow way within christianity um and so people say that well there were a variety of responses but some people articulated it by saying true christianity is the narrow way right and then others would say well because christianity is such a broad term these days and it encompasses such a variety of different beliefs and behaviors then it would lead one to say that the narrow way is within christianity and i think what you guys are articulating is that though we fall under this umbrella as christians but we wear the title we take the name of god just taking the name in and of itself isn't sufficient to be found in that narrow way um so that's that's just beautiful i just thank you guys for sharing that i think the holy spirit for moving this is this is really important to understand so the term antichrist most people look at the term antichrist i'm sorry pastor should i add it um i'll let you know when okay most people look at the term antichrist and they they believe the term means one who is against christ but the term anti really means to be in the place of so antichrist means to take the place of christ um when you preach another jesus that is antichrist and what we see about this system is that they are preaching a different jesus with a different way now why is that significant a different way of salvation different path of salvation why is that significant because psalm 77 13 tells us that god's way is in the sanctuary now remember guys we're not talking about the little horn just to be like hey we know who the antichrist is right we're talking about the little little horn because it is connected with this theme of the sanctuary being defiled and then ultimately being cleansed what is this little horn doing to the sanctuary this is why we said an understanding of the sanctuary is crucial okay so let me just share my screen here because these are some of the identifying marks of what this little horn this anti-christ power does one of the things that we saw was that he would attack the tabernacle of god or cast down the sanctuary we see that if this power is future of rome it must be speaking of the only sanctuary in existence which would be the heavenly sanctuary this little horn power would seek to pervert the way that is described in the heavenly sanctuary what i mean by that um since never if you could share my screen that would be that would be good this is just one one slide i have to show here but uh let me see here okay so um i'm sorry give me a second here i just want to get that one screen here we go okay oh cuz i think i got the wrong [Music] all right can y'all see the sanctuary on here i mean i'm seeing the slides but you know you were going through it okay yeah okay so here's a diagram of the sanctuary i've shared this before and i may have actually shared this exact slide before but i believe that after what we have just stated you can unbegin to understand the context of this okay we had six articles of furniture in sanctuary the first is the altar of sacrifice the little horn power would seek to destroy the truths of that are taught in the sanctuary message one of those truths being that the sacrifice of christ is sufficient for our salvation right you don't need to add penance or you don't need to pay something else you don't need to do something in addition to the sacrifice of christ in order to secure your salvation it is the sacrifice of christ only that heals us from our sins the roman catholic system cast down this truth by teaching certain things such as penance by teaching that they have power to bring christ down from heaven and sacrifice him anew when they break the bread these are some of the things that the little horn is teaching as a different way of salvation if you want to be saved it's not good enough the sacrifice of christ was not sufficient enough you have to pay money if you want to be forgiven there is only one way you can be forgiven for sins and that is the blood of christ and is one time sacrifice the labor which is symbolic of baptism this papal power casts down this truth by teaching you don't have to repent and be baptized you can be sprinkled as an infant you can be sprinkled as a baby babies don't have the mental capacity to repent basically they were saying that you can bypass repentance and be baptized and be good to go they were teaching a different path of salvation something not found in the scriptures what else were they teaching when it comes to the table of showbread they are teaching that you as an individual could not understand the bible for yourself you had to go through priests and popes in order to understand what the word of god represented by the table of showbread what the word of god meant and if you were found with the bible you were persecuted you were not it was illegal for you to possess a bible when it comes to the altar of incense the altar of incense represented the prayers of the saints and the fact that we can have direct access to god through our prayers but this system taught during the dark ages during this time after the fall of rome this system and they begin teaching that you cannot pray uh you can't go to god yourself you can't confess your sins on your own you have to go to a confessional booth listen carefully what is a confessional booth it is a two compartment room divided by curtain with a man sitting in the place of god claiming to have power to forgive your sins they are literally setting up a counterfeit system on earth to take people's attention away from the true system of of salvation the true system of of truth the true system of god when it comes to the candlestick by the way the candlestick represents uh the bible says we have a more short word of prophecy where unto you do well then you would take heed as unto a light that shines in a dark place one of the meanings of the candlestick is that it represents prophecy prophecy allows you to see that which is coming well guess what this system did i'm going to come back to this in a minute let me just pause on this for a second i just want to get to the altar of sacrifice i'm sorry the um ark of the covenant this power is the power responsible for putting the teaching out that the sabbath is no longer binding it is this power and we said several quotes the week before and the week before that this power is the power that claims responsibility for changing the law of god specifically when it comes to the sabbath commandment so when you see all these churches following these principles of infant sprinkling of um of penance of traditions over the word of god of rejecting the sabbath whether that is because oh we're not on the law we're in the grace or we have a new day of worship all of this comes right down to the fact that the little horn is the one that influenced this teaching all right i'm gonna you can start sharing my stream um let me mention this there is a reason why most people most christians are unaware of the papacy as a fulfillment of this prophecy in daniel 7 25 the bible says that this horn this power would think to change times and laws well times how is it going to change times this is so powerful during the dark ages protestant reformers like martin luther wycliffe all the protestant reformers were united on one point that the papacy was the fulfillment of daniel chapter 7 and of revelation chapter 13. this was the little horn power this was the antichrist power all the protestant reformers were united on that they were so united on that that their teaching led multitudes of people out of the roman catholic system it was called the reformation so what happened is that the catholic church sees this hemorrhaging and they hold a council called the council of trent yes council they're like we got to do something to stop this hemorrhaging so what happened is two of their jesuit scholars came up with two new teachings one teaching was called preterism and the other was called futurism in preterism no no no no no the little horn is not it's not the papacy guys guys the little horn is what are you talking about he's the one that fulfilled that prophecy that was called preterism and who's the jesuit scholar that that came with that teacher was it alcazar so the other jesuit scholar by the name of rivera comes up with the teaching of futurism which says no no no no no antichrist doesn't come until way in the future after the church has raptured off the scene after the church is gone that's what happened so what happened was people at first the reformers laughed at this come on man y'all crazy look this is evident this is obvious but over time protestants began to drink the kool-aid and now when you hear you rarely hear people talking about this the counter reformation has destroyed this this teaching by and large very few people understand this so check this out this is so crazy the little horn in thinking to change the prophetic times because the prophetic finger was pointing to them they fulfilled yet another aspect of bible prophecy showing that they are in fact this power that daniel and revelation both speak of they try to change times to remove the prophetic finger from pointing to them you guys every point of the prophecy must fit what you're seeing today and we have not even finished what you're seeing tonight is this from the from the the point of daniel the point of revelation the points of thessalonians the points of john the books of john all of them converge to point to one entity and one entity alone if you hold to antiochus or any other power for some part of this in daniel 7 you throw off the entire prophecy and you basically follow the lead of the papacy in either preterism all the prophecies were fulfilled in the past and therefore they're no longer relevant to us or futurism all the prophecies are in the future after the church is raptured away and the saints are gone and therefore we don't even need to understand the book of revelation because we're not going to be here i don't know who the christ is man if this is not the ultimate setup you guys you may not be adventists watching this right now in fact you may hate adventists because someone just told you you should hate them you don't even know why you hate them you just hate them but you hate us but listen guys god is trying to save as many people as he possibly can you are watching this now not by chance not by accident this is god trying to reach out to you we're not speaking out of pride we're simply showing you look this is history guys like we look at catholics as our brothers amen they are our brothers from another mother baptists they are our brothers every god has people in every single all the denominations god has people in but many of his people don't understand this and we're just trying to bring this light because god has commissioned that this everlasting gospel go into all the world listen the reason why this everlasting gospel has not gone into all the world is because it was changed by the papacy and so different counterfeit versions of this gospel is going on that's what's going on to the world hey don't worry about the sabbath hey don't worry about the law of god you're not under the law you're on the grace hey you don't do anything you're as long as you accept jesus you're good to go pray to priests pray the polls kiss the feet of statues there are so many counterfeit gospels that are going out in the world and and the bible says when this gospel the true gospel is preached then shall the end come and that's all we're trying to do guys preach the true gospel amen amen i hope y'all caught that i hope so you know i come from a very heavily afrocentric influenced perspective and so even in my apologetics i'm dealing a lot with questions from that perspective and so in that vein a lot of people are aware of the counterintelligence program which was instituted by the government to kind of combat the rise of afrocentric movements and civil rights movements in the 60s and 70s and so we'll look at that and we'll be like oh the government you know they did this martin luther king mr malcolm x and we can recognize that but what pastor myers just shared is that there was a counterintelligence program called encounter they were already called out and said oh follow the antichrist so then they say no it's not us it's and everybody falls for the oaky vote they're the ones who taught people that it wasn't them like you can't take their word they're saying that it's not oh it's not us nah man we got a whole bible up over what people are saying and so man i just that was just really thrilling to me i want to share with you guys something that pastor myers touched on and that is what we're saying now sounds form it sounds foreign to you if you haven't heard it before i know a lot of people the question running through their mind is why why haven't i heard this before but as he just mentioned it's it's by design it's by design that we haven't heard it but it's not it's not new in fact not only is it not new it used to be common knowledge it used to be when you meditate in the conversation surrounding the antichrist or revelation chapter 13 revelation chapter 13 came up there was no confusion as to to whom it was referring so i just want to share with you guys a few um quotes from some influential um reformers and christians who had this understanding um and you might be surprised at some of the names you'll see here all right so let me the first one um can you guys see that i know if i don't make it full screen you won't be able to see everything so i can't see you i'm gonna refer to my phone okay so i have historical views on historic historicism which is what we uh the title given to this perspective this interpretation of scripture so this verse has already been discussed but i also saw in some of the comments you know about there being a um many antichrists and i know a lot of people are jumping in late right but brother lance didn't cover that before and what he said was that it's a development of the spirit of antichrist but it does lead to a climax not necessarily in a particular individual but in a particular system that has been in development throughout the centuries and so i just want to use this as a reference point that there is a system of antichrist um that the bible is talking about a it is the sun of perdition so here we have john cowden and if for those of you who want the slides once again just email me nefernity.com um we're trying to streamline the slide process so you don't have to email me for now um that's kind of what we have going i also included links because you guys know i like to give you all the primary sources so you can go back and read the rest of the statement in its original context and see what calvin was talking about it says here some persons think us too severe and sensorious when we call the roman pontiff antichrist but those who are of his opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against paul himself after whom we speak and whose language we adopt i shall briefly show that paul's words in 2nd thessalonians 2 are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the paper seed so i know a lot of people know who calvin is and how influential he has been in christianity at large um as a reformer and a lot of his principles and ways of study and his conclusions that he reached very very influential in christianity today but yet this particular aspect of what he taught and knew has been erased it has not erased but it's been eroded in the minds of common christians so that's one person then we have another reformer john knox he says yay to speak in plain words lest that we submit ourselves to satan thinking that we submit ourselves to christ for as your roman kirk as it is now corrupted and the authority thereof where understands the hope of your victory i know more doubt but that is the synagogue of satan and the head thereof called hope to be at man of sin of whom the apostle speaks so knox is like listen we don't have time to twist our words because there are going to be people who are in danger of being confused and thinking that they're following christ but what they're really following is satan so therefore let me speak plainly to you and let you know that the synagogue of satan is referring to the pope the man of sin the son of perdition we have thomas kramer he was the archbishop of archbishop of canterbury we'll notice that a lot of these in the beginning i'm kind of establishing a timeline like they're around the same time during the protestant reformation but we'll see that there was some um a little more recent as well and so here in his in the books entitled works it says where are they following wrong to be the seat of antichrist and the hope to be the very antichrist himself i could prove the same by many other scriptures old writers and strong reasons so again this is not something that is it's foreign to christianity or church history um i think what happens is as we become over time a little bit more politically correct we try not to speak plainly right as the brother just said speak plainly and identify these things and again i want to re-emphasize here that we're not throwing stones at an individual right it's not about the pope as a person or it's not about the um members of the catholic faith it's not about that i i was raised catholic as me if you know i still have family members of that faith and so we don't just pass everyone off simply because they attend a particular system or have a certain understanding or misunderstanding of scripture that's not how it works but as pastor myers just mentioned if god if god has said that that um that day cannot come until the son of perdition be revealed and we all know that we're living in the last times right we're living in the final days if everybody kind of just instinctively knows this that means that that son of prediction has to be revealed it has to be revealed and god is going to continue to shine light upon this subject with greater intensity so that we will understand the things that are coming to pass roger williams who was the first baptist pastor in america in his 69 1689 at this confession of faith it says the pretended viker of christ on earth who sits as bad over the temple of god exalting himself not only of all that is called god but over the souls and consciences of his vassals or subjects they over the spirit of christ over the holy spirit they and by himself speaking against the god of heaven thinking to change times and laws but he is the son of perdition so um roger williams was here drawing those same connections that we've been drawing for you this evening showing you how these parallel verses are married together and to sever them does great damage to to our ability to understand what the scripture is trying to show us but it wasn't always this way people understood that these um verses were parallel one to another and that they were both speaking of and identifying that same power uh the 1647 westminster confession of faith says there is no other head of the church lord jesus christ nor can the pope of rome in any sense be the head thereof but is that antichrist that man of sin and son of perdition that exalts himself in the church against christ and again and all that is called god then we have john wesley this one is a little um longer but i'll just highlight some points here and then the link is at the bottom so that you can go back and read it but he is the founder of the methodist church 1703-1791 he says he is in emphatical sense the man of sin the son of perdition as he has caused the death of no numberless multitudes both of his opposers and followers destroyed innumerable souls and will himself perish everlastingly he it is opposes himself to the emperor wants his rifles of sovereign and that exalted himself above all that is called god or that is worship and then at the bottom it says indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title most holy lord or most holy father so that he sits enthroned in the temple of god mentioned in revelation 11 1 declaring himself that he is god claiming the prerogatives which belong to god alone why do we call him holy father or do they call him most holy father what does it mean to be the viker of christ why does he claim that title what kind of um what kind of powers is he claiming to have these things were studied and understood and hopefully you guys will be able to take notes and go back and re-watch and understand why it is that this particular power is identified in scripture as the son of perdition then we have charles spurgeon 1834-1892 his lifespan it says it is the bounding duty of every christian to pray against the antichrist and as to what antichrist is no same man ought to raise a question so he's saying nobody who has sanity should doubt who the antichrist is but just in case you aren't sure he's going to explain it anyway if it be not the povery and the church of rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that by that knee so in other words it may vote ain't nobody that's basically what he just said it wounds christ robs christ of his glory puts sacramental efficacy in the place of his atonement which is what pastor myers was touching on the blueprint slide and lifts a piece of bread in the place of the savior if we pray against it because it is against him that is it is against christ we shall love the persons but we hate their errors we shall love their souls but we loathe and detest their dogmas and i echo the sentiments of spurgeon here this is a this is not an attack against people we love people in fact god is the one who's revealing this information out of love for you not out of condemnation but to draw you out of um this system and then finally we have martin luther who was one of the pivotal starter um starters of the reformation he says very plainly in those first few words the pope is the very antichrist and so the sentiments once again have been um have been echoed and it's not it's not a coincidence emily that now we find ourselves in 2020 looking around and wondering if we have baptist um ministers the first baptist pastor in the united states we had the founder of methodism we we have uh spurgeon we have luther we have so many different people who all understood these things and now everybody's looking like oh you called the pope you say said something's wrong with you no this is the truth that is being revealed um and so uh sometimes i know i talk fast i try to be cognizant of that but i can't help it so if you guys have any questions about that please feel free to email me and i will be more than happy to share the slides with you guys lance i know you had a point you wanted to bring up and appreciate that sister nephew thank you again for showing once again clear evidence of the historical facts of pointing out and helping us understand who this antichrist power is but lance go ahead no i i just i just wanted to make sure we appreciated the term prophetic cointelpro yeah you know we we certainly we didn't get to uh cover all of the points right um there's still quite a bit to cover what i'm thinking is we're going to save a bulk of it especially dealing with the time times dividing of times because we're going to go into revelation next week we spend our time in daniel today next week we're going to revelation because they're talking about the same thing i think we can go ahead and hit the the time times divided because you know when you deal with time prophecy you got to give some good detail um there are a couple of things that i did think would be good to bring as a closing point just to identifying this power that daniel is speaking of in chapter seven and so if you don't mind guys and lady i am going to share my screen just one more time is that all right yeah and i'll try to move uh yeah i'll move quickly because i know our time is moving so let me go ahead and do this so yep so as you can see here let's see share yeah okay sure right so one of the things that it talked about was blasphemy the great words if you remember that and again in revelation 13 it was referring to blasphemous words if you look at blasphemy in the bible in luke 5 and verse 21 it was considered blasphemy to claim to have powers to forgive sins when the paralytic man came through the roof by his friends and jesus says to him the sun be of good cheer your sins are forgiven the pharisees say ah you're speaking blasphemy and then in john chapter 10 and verse 33 once again you see that jesus said i and my father are one in verse 30 and then by time you get to 33 they're ready to kill him and jesus asked why are you trying to kill me and their answer was because thou makes that you know you're blaspheming claiming to be god when you're only a man and so the question is if we use the biblical evidence of what constitutes blasphemy claiming to have the power to actually forgive sins as well as claiming to be god himself then the next question is does the papacy fit this point the answer is absolutely notice in the top paragraph it says does this point fit the papacy let's first look at the evidence for it claiming to forgive sins does the priest truly forgive the sins or does he only declare that they are remitted i mean this was like the out question right this was the opportunity to be oh yeah we only meant remitted but no they have such a boldness that in the roman catholic church it is taught the priest does really and truly forgive the sins in virtue of the power given to him by christ the papacy further undermines jesus by setting up a system of confession to an earthly priest thus bypassing jesus our high priest and our only mediator according to scripture that is blasphemy secondly consider the evidence for claiming to be god notice we the popes hold upon this earth the place of god almighty the pope is not only the representative of jesus christ but he is jesus christ himself hidden under the veil of flesh that's from their writings this is not anybody else's writings this is not like 70 adventists or somebody else trying to conjure up documents this was written by the catholic national 1895. now the question is you know well this is 1895. you know do they still believe that today well there's one way to find out and it's right here uh there is something that is called the new catholic encyclopedia it's in that image in the back the new catholic encyclopedia this is mod these are modern day articles of the position of the roman catholic church and here's what the new catholic encyclopedia teaches this is to date it says absolution proper is that act of the priest whereby in the sacrament of penis he frees man from sin uh if we go down to the bottom paragraph because you know i don't want to spend a whole lot of time it says by which actions so signal and words so clear the consent of all the fathers have ever understood that the power of forgiving and retaining sins was communicated to the apostles and to their lawful successors for the reconciliation of the faithful who have fallen after baptism so roman catholicism teaches that there are individuals who have the power to actually forgive the sin it is not that they are simply declaring your sins are forgiven by the lord jesus christ but they can actually say either your sins are forgiven or your sins are retained this is what the bible calls blasphemy and again this is the new catholic encyclopedia to date you'll remember that it was pope francis that even made a statement in 2015 hope to allow absolution of abortion during holy year saint peter's square at the vatican pope francis has decreed that priests may absolve or forgive women of the sin of a procured abortion during the holy year next year so again even to date i mean you know late times it's very very clear that this is still the present teaching so even when you read the catholic national written in 1895 you can see that this is still the position of the roman catholic church system this is still what they teach as a uh as an institute as a system okay then also in the new catholic encyclopedia they make this point the vatican council has defined as a divinely revealed dogma that the roman pontiff that's another way of saying the pope when he speaks ex cathedra that is when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all christians he defines by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole church is by reason of the divine assistance promised to him in blessed peter possessed of that infallibility with which the divine redeemer wished his church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals and consequently that such definitions of the roman pontiff are irreformable of their own nature and not by reason of the church's consent again they are making it clear that the roman catholic church system the popes are considered to be infallible that is a prerogative that only belongs to god you heard pastor myers talk about this point which was off which is the final point it will think to change times and laws we all know that if you are roman catholic then more than likely you are familiar with the catechism well one of the things you'll see in the catechism is that the papacy has actually omitted the second commandment against veneration of images obviously because they bow down to images in roman catholicism and worship it and pray to it and has also shortened the fourth commandment from 94 words to eight and divided the tenth commandment into two commandments here's an example and this is from our allen anderson unfolding the revelation on page 137 take a look at this this is the ten commandments as we know it and as we understand it okay this is the ten commandments okay as god gave it in protestant bible genesis to revelation the 66 books but in a catechism you will notice that it's different in the catechism notice this is literally the ten commandments according to um you know the according to the roman catholic church it makes it very clear that you'll notice number three is the fourth commandment and number two you absolutely see nothing that shows or speaks to the image worship and it's for these reasons that this is the reason why by the grace of god we need to have our eyes clear that we're seeing they're literally trying to change the law of god you heard pastor ivor talk about how they tried to change time by addressing you know preterism and futurism so that we can't understand you know time prophecy at all but now here it is we're also seeing they tried to change god's law they literally removed the second commandment altogether and they adulterated the fourth commandment which is remember the sabbath day to keep it holy six days shout out labor and the seventh day is the sabbath of the lord thy god of course the roman catholic church does not teach that they believe otherwise finally here are some of the bold statements that roman catholicism has actually said picking back up on uh what brother lance mentioned earlier these are all statements from the roman catholic church the church after changing the day of rest from the jewish sabbath of the seventh day of the week to the first made the third commandment refer to sunday as the day to be kept holy as the lord's day i am letting you all know who are watching this that if you observe sunday as the lord's day if you observe sunday as the sabbath you do not have a biblical basis for that and we've covered that very strongly but you do have a historical reference for it and the roman catholic church is so bold that they're actually telling you what they did they said we are the ones who changed it continuing the converts catechism asked the question which is the sabbath day their answer is saturday is the sabbath day i want you to know this is roman catholics answering this question which is the sabbath day saturday is the sabbath day so why do i why do we observe sunday instead of sabbath the answer because the catholic church transferred the solemnity from saturday to sunday notice that the roman catholic church are admitting we changed it we changed it they even get more bold sunday is a catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on catholic principles that's why we you can't have success proving that sunday is the sabbath according to the bible you just can't have that success the only way it can be defended is on catholic principles from beginning to end of scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first they make it very clear now look at this and i thought i thought this was very powerful because if you're baptist and watching this if you're pentecostal if you're methodist if you're non-denominational that means that you are part of a group that's called protestants okay you protested against the dogmas of roman catholicism well listen to this this is from cardinal gibbons from the roman catholic church reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives either protestantism and the keeping holy of saturday or catholicity and the keeping holy of sunday compromise is impossible they literally said if you're a protestant you should be keeping the seventh day sabbath you should be keeping the day that today we would call saturday only if you're a catholic or if you're a subject to catholic teaching is the reason why you keep sunday continuing this is probably one of the most startling statements i've heard come from the roman catholic church it's very deep what they said here and i please understand i'm putting the reference here this is from the roman catholic church you can google it okay it says the protestant claiming the bible to be the only guide of faith has no warrant for observing sunday in this matter the seventh day adventist is the only consistent protestant now i did not write that and i'm not even trying to use this to say we're better than anybody else because i already know we're not i believe to whom much is given much is required i believe the more you have the greatest servant you are called to be but i want you to see that from the roman catholic church's mouth they're actually saying if you're really claiming protestantism etc then you need to follow that example of which our church just happened to stand on which is remembering the sabbath day to keep it holy our church goes way beyond just remembering the sabbath day to keep it holy what makes the seventh day adventist church unique is our understanding of the gospel through the sanctuary that is what really makes seventh day advent this unique in our position and presentation of the word of god to the world which includes remembering the sabbath day to keep it holy but it's more continuing liver can we just clarify that the reason they are saying that is because protestantism was based on the idea of sola scriptura right of the bible and the bible only catholicism believes not only in the bible but tradition so what they're saying is if you truly believe in the bible in the bible only you should not be keeping a tradition which was started by the catholic church you are contradicting yourself and you may as well be catholic because you're surely not protestant that's right baptist methodist everyone that is not a catholic they are they are part of the protestant movement in essence but the kind of truth what are you protesting you guys are doing you following our traditions but you claim to be protestants you need to come back home and just go ahead and be catholic because you accept tradition so that's the context behind why they're saying if you're really protestant you should be keeping the sabbath that's what you're really proud you're really catholics because you're keeping our traditions and it's a very again i call it a bold statement because they they don't have a problem saying we changed it we changed it the only reason you're following this is because we changed it you're not going to succeed in pointing from the bible that we are to keep sunday so does the papacy fit these descriptions as daniel 7 pointed out the answer is absolutely yes absolutely yes it is not because there's some vendetta or anything against the papacy it's just that from its entire history from its doctrinal teachings from the bible i mean from every angle that you can verify it it has been shown and proven that the roman catholic church system not the people god's people in the roman catholic church i don't have any problem with that that's the truth but as it relates to the system it is there is no question that it fits and just to imagine this is daniel next week we're going to revelation to establish once again who is this antichrist power and most importantly what does god want us to do about it you know once you see it what does god want us to do about it so i'm looking forward to sharing some of those things and uh you know again if there's anybody you know we can you know if there's no closing point then we can start launching into uh you know some time for q a i know we don't have a whole lot of time but whatever questions we could take let's go ahead and take it man i just wanna so every apologetics always comes to mind i guess that's just where my mind is conditioned but i think about exodus and i think about pharaoh right and for those who don't understand pharaoh thought that he was the incarnation of ra right their god at the time that he was both king and god so when when moses is coming to him on behalf of the father he's he's like well who's this guy because i'm like what's mean you talk about some other god said let you go so that mentality i think a lot of preachers understand that obviously that's wrong right that pharaoh cannot be bought and that there is no other fight but yet that very same sentiment is being carried through the pope today the viker he is saying that he is the embodiment the incarnation of christ like yo you tripping back like that that's a really that should be a very troublesome very troubling statement um thank you um brother limit for bringing that out guys now is your time to ask questions i always tell y'all if you ask them in the beginning we're not going to see them because they they just disappear but we um we would like to take a question or two i'll give a few minutes because i know that uh the time takes for you guys to catch up for you to put your questions in but if we don't see any then we'll we'll pass out um and again if you caught us in the middle or towards the end listen this kind of started with a facebook post right that had nine points and everybody was like just after the 9 points you know saying just like no we can't do that because we have to bring everything with its proper foundation it's proper context and do justice to the truth and so even with this microcosm of a question within the larger conversation that we're having about the sanctuary and the investigative judgment this is just one of the points along the way and it's taken to and now another study to fully bring it out into a mixture because we could easily just throw it out there and say here just believe that but that's not that's not what the intent is the intent is that we are able to study and understand and know so that the seed will be planted in your heart i mean you can see from scripture and not from the authority of the speaker that this is the truth um let's see a question here can you understand daniel in revelation without the sanctuary message um the answer to that is no just uh straightforward no why because the book of revelation is written on the pattern of the sanctuary yeah it is literally impossible to understand the contents of the book of revelation without understanding the sanctuary upon which it is written the pattern upon which it is written the same is true the book of daniel the book of daniel centers around this assault and this defiling of the sanctuary and if we don't have an understanding of why that is significant in the light of the little horn we don't really understand daniel 2 daniel 7 daniel 8 daniel 9 uh daniel 11 or daniel 12. all right everything comes down to understanding the plan of salvation as it is revealed in god's blueprint and so that goes back to the very point i was making earlier when you get to the book of revelation like in school you know throughout the year you have different quizzes and stuff the finals reveals how much you understood about everything you learned in class of until that point revelation is the finals right if you get to revelation and flunk it's because you were not rightly understanding what was happening in the books before right so the sanctuary is the basis of the entire scripture because god's plan god's blueprint the way god operates is all found there and so that's why you hear us pushing so you know so passionately this idea that we must understand the sanctuary in order to understand what the books of daniel and revelation are speaking about yep lance you're muted yeah so i was just gonna add to that and saying that when you know when we're talking about the sanctuary we're not just talking about the tabernacle in the wilderness that came in exodus 25 that remember that was just a shadow of something that was was represented in heaven so like when in revelation one when john is seeing the lamps and the the altars and all these pieces of furniture in the sanctuary he's not he's he's in heaven he's not in a temple i'm made with hands so another word i want to throw out there and at some point maybe in the future we'll have a whole uh session dedicated to this but the word is covenant so there's cov this this you know divine contract that god has made with man like if i ask you the question where is where is the first sanctuary represented on earth it's not exodus 25 right it's genesis you know chapter one and two so that that sanctuary is there in the trees with the garden and where man and god uh dwell together so that that covenant is repeated all throughout the bible and comes as we said at the very opening of this session revelation is is a culmination of all of that imagery and all of that symbolism and all of that language expressed throughout the whole entire bible so if you try to just jump in and understand bible prophecy daniel particularly in daniel in revelation without understanding you know the full scope of that biblical language through the sanctuary and through their covenant it's going to be tough and you're going to make tons of mistakes and that's historically how we have so much confusion in in our interpretation in our applications because we don't understand the bible as a whole and when we see symbols and we see things come up in revelation or daniel we interpret them in a vacuum without taking into consideration the the things that they represent that that were thousands of years in the making god didn't waste any ink if you will everything that he recorded for us in scripture through the prophets was designed to bring us to an understanding as we see in the book of revelation so you have to have it's like trying to you know understand language without letters or try to you know you can't you can't do you need the grammar you need the letters you need the syntax you need all of those things to properly articulate and have fluency in a particular language and when it comes to biblical interpretation if you're not fluent it's gonna you're gonna you're gonna have babylon yep i see a question um it says as it pertains to the ten kingdoms there was shared with my church that the number 10 there is symbolic and not necessarily the 10 kingdoms that was presented earlier and then that's what's your take on that yeah there it is so um there is something that i've noticed as a trend in scripture you all can let me know your thoughts on it i'm sharing with you what i found in my studies thus far when i see numbers in scripture they're they're literal it's like 10 means 10 3 means 3 12 16 means 12 2300 means 2300 you know so even though i know that it is prophecy um it is still something where i found that numbers are literal then on top of that and now again that's just biblical consistency numbers are literal even in prophecy 10 is 10 for years 3 you know and the list goes on but in addition to that the history you know like what we did when we were identifying and matching very clearly you know the roman catholic church system as being a fulfillment of that little horned power that daniel's talking about once again you see that there were actual 10 divisions within western europe and then it was actually three historically that were uprooted as well so again you know from the historical standpoint as well as from even from though it's prophecy consistent throughout scripture numbers are literal when even when we're doing you know bible prophecy the numbers are literal even though the entity that is prophesying about could be uh symbolic but the numbers are literal so that's what i'm seeing you guys can let me know your thoughts on if you want to add to it yeah i mean that's just it all right were you talking about the ten kingdoms in the context of revelation uh i think it was it was a tweeting or ten kingdoms in the context of daniel you know we we showed how there's parallels there but there are different contexts that tell us what right it looks like the question is i'm assuming safely that the question is referring to what we covered earlier uh you know which is daniel okay yeah yeah i mean i'm gonna just add to dwayne just for clarification say when we say the number is literal um when we talk about the 1260 that's 1260 but that 1260 is a day four year principle it's not 1280 or 1220 it's 1260. so a number represents a four year it's still 1260 2300 not 1270 or 2200 right right yep yep agree yeah it's very it's very specific and then there's also you have to take in consideration again when we're talking about the literacy part 10 is a is a number that represents compounding you know like completion all throughout the bible you know so it's not just a coincidence that the number 10 is being used over and over and over and over again it's it's there for a reason so it's giving us multiple layers of meaning and remember it's also just one of several identifying marks so everything is not contingent on that so that normally when people try to explain it away it's because they don't they can't make sense of it so they have to say oh it's symbolic or we don't know what it means it's it's cryptic or because they're not understanding what the bible is saying so so we tend to dismiss things that we can't articulate especially if you have a minister who's a trained professional you know or at least purporting to be a trained professional and he can't explain the thing that he's supposed to be representing so normally you either never talk about it or when you do you just dismiss and explain away stuff that obviously is there for a reason i think we can take one more question um and i'll let you guys i just want to answer real quick because it's a quick one and i saw her coming up all in the chat in the comments the whole time people can you know have different things to say about america or china or this or that you know does america play a role in all of this absolutely we haven't yet got to it fully but absolutely america plays a major role it's not a coincidence that america came up and emerged at the time it did it's not a coincidence that america right now is the dominant force globally you know none of these things are coincidences so yes america plays a major role and at some point we'll have a session i'm sure you know indeed and that will be fun let's give let's give the people one more question or answer one more question there's so many good questions guys y'all didn't disappoint with the questions tonight how about this one when it uh natural healer yeah is the little horn synonymous is it all i do yeah is the little horn synonymous with the entire beast it seems to be part of the larger beast system even as it's represented in revelation anybody want to tackle that coming through the questions yes this i love that that excites me because you're paying attention right that's what that means you're paying attention to be able to pick up on that um i'm gonna let you all handle that yeah i mean the quick the quick answer is we're gonna we're what we just did through daniel this week we're gonna do the revelation next week so i think that's gonna make that plain cause again when you brought up revelation i'm assuming you're talking about the little horn and the beast in daniel 7 or you talk about the little horn and the beast that we referenced in revelation 13. uh but that that so the answer is in daniel 7 the little horn is not synonymous with the beast that it comes up out of in daniel 7. um because that that beast that comes out up out of the water in daniel 7 with the iron teeth at the beginning is pagan rome and then out of pagan rome emerges this little horn which we we are identifying as the papacy so she says revelation right so now in revelation 13 the beast that comes up out of the water that's a composite of all of the beasts from daniel 7 is the little horn power and ivan this answers your question too because he asked why it was four beasts in um daniel and then in revelation it's one so right go ahead i was gonna say when dan was writing right babylon is the ruling power when john is writing so so daniel is looking forward right to these beasts babylon that universe and greece then rome when john the revelator receives his vision babylon media persia and greece have already fallen he's writing in the time of rome so he sees the beast as one he combines him as one beast but the emphasis is on this mouth speaking great things which parallels the little horn who has a mouth speaking great things so it is it is a composite beast meaning they are all part of the same kingdom if you will right this is the same legacy the same dna yes same dna these are the powers satan has used to attack the people of god first was babylon he used meteor that way he was greasing that way he was roaming that way but towards the end of time he's using this little horn system that will exist until jesus comes again so hopefully again that makes sense to you guys we we have you know we could have jumped on six weeks ago and tried to answer nine points and y'all would have been like wait wah huh well we're not gonna do that there's a saying that error makes its way halfway around the world while truth is still putting on its boots era has a way of spreading rapidly right just look at our political environment today lies spread rapidly and are easily received the truth is not so easily received so that's why we've been taking our time step by step we're still going to be dealing with these other with these points that we haven't addressed yet we're not running from anything truth has nothing to fear and we're laying out our case so that we are answering every question you could you could possibly have thank you thank you sis um i know i don't want to ignore tweety because tweety asked the same question about 50 times i mean sure you saw it so that's out of you are the sins confessed to catholic priests blotted out in heaven so that was one of the points uh that brother lemon brought out is that as well as pastor meyers about confessionals and so for those of you who may be unfamiliar the catholic church teaches that basically a part of their ritual or part of their ceremonies is that an individual must confess their sins in a confessional booth before a priest so you might have seen it in movies sometimes like sometimes they exaggerate it so like somebody's getting ready to commit a murder or they've just come from doing something really heinous and then they go to the church and they sit in this dark room and then the priest is on the other side and slides open the door or along the window but you still can't see the pretty space the window is more like you see a shadow through there and they communicate and so in the confessional you confess all of your sins and then the priest typically says your sins are forgiving you say five our fathers and three hail marys and you know your sins are forgiving you so that's for context for those of you who may not be familiar with that um but i'll let one of the brothers answer as to whether those sins are good yeah so i mean the answer is you know it depends so remember we're talking about a system not individuals so if you have a faithful catholic that all they know is that system and they believe they're serving god and doing what what pleases god and they're confessing their sins to their to what they know it to be right god you know the bible says there is a time of man's ignorance which god winked at that we brought up a couple weeks ago so god is not going to hold people accountable for things they don't know or or you know intentionally had the opportunity to find out but rejected so he's gonna he's gonna hold them accountable to what they know or what they rejected you know by neglect so if a faithful person a faithful christian and all that they know is confessing their sins to a priest does god recognize that as i understand it i can't speak in every case i'm not god but what i understand the bible teaches is absolutely that's correct but if somebody knows the the the apostasy of the system and they're still going to say well i'm not going to go talk to god and confess my sins to god i'm going to go to the priest because i don't care what the bible says i mean that's a different attitude right so yeah the the uh uh man even though the system is corrupt it can't block people from god god is not like oh man i wish i could reach that person but i can't because the church is is in the way this is why i believe in myself because it's not it's not it's not how it works so to me that's the short answer you know we can go there's many bible stories that highlight the same reality where you have somebody that's in ignorance to the truth but they're still have direct contact with god even though they would do it through systems that we would frown upon like none of us if we all met abraham in in christian churches he would get kicked out of the church you know jacob kicked out a church isaac like a lot of these brothers we would consider them pagan heathen savages um so it's based on what people know not on what they don't amen now we we know that we very well could be here all night and technically we kind of have a little bit so um again if you guys have any questions please feel free to reach out to us we put in the link several times for the private study and that is for individuals who are new to this method of studying and new to the principles that we've been teaching here um and are interested in learning more we do have a smaller private group study um that we do on monday nights um you just have to scroll back up to see to see the link for you to register um my email address is also there for those of you who want the slides to go back and and um have that marine spirit and check and see whether these things are so uh but something that's really i really want you guys to understand we've kind of touched on it before and that is time is wrapping up man time is wrapping up and so somebody just asked the question with regards to the mark of the beast and we're not going to touch on that just yet never i think we i think we asked a question in light of what lance just said yeah exactly anything we need to give me a minute yeah good i'm going to say no you can't say though yes very simple guys when the mark of the beast issue comes about everybody is going to know because the truth would have been preached and people will choose a lie over the truth no one will receive the mark of the beast in ignorance right that's why when we get to revelation chapter 14 we see this everlasting gospel going to every nation kingdom tongue and people that has to happen before the third angels message which is a warning against the mark of the beast right so when mark of the beast comes people will know even if they're deceived they would have rejected the truth and chosen a lie there will be no winking like well he's got the markers she's got the mark but you know they're jenny no no no no the truth would have been preached people who receive it have rejected the truth willingly purposefully and thus there is no winking of the eye for those who receive the mark of the beast so just to clarify that point yep brother lance no no that's not right [Music] by what i was saying regarding the first question is not what the follow-up question regarding the mark of the beast that's not what i was saying it's the same thing right god is still judging us based on what we know like you said not what we don't know but because he's judging us based on what we know he's making sure that everybody knows right so there is no um like i said the same principle is operation is an operation but nevertheless this is why we need to have these discussions this is why we need to be digging deeper into the word this is why if you're listening to what we're saying this evening by the grace of the holy spirit and you feel an inclination to um investigate further don't silence that silence and inclination follow that and study there's no there's no danger in studying the scriptures and seeking god with it with a humble heart and having him reveal to you his truth right uh the danger is in not hating the warning that he's given the danger is in like i don't know growing up in the black church made it all the calls and articles being effective and so when i was like one foot in one foot out you know and the worldly mentality is still on my way to christ i've noticed that myself and a lot of my friends we knew when the altar call was getting ready to drop and we would leave before that because we didn't want to feel that conviction right or sometimes you hear the article call and you're just like you're cementing yourself in that seat and refusing to heed the pull of the spirit you're anchoring yourself down resisting resisting resisting the spirit of god telling you to come forward and um seek repentance and forgiveness for your sins and so it's the same principle here like if the lord is telling you that hey listen this is the truth or you continue to study along this vein to see whether it is the truth do not ignore that family do not ignore that and i just want to emphasize again what pastor myers just said and that is that god is going to continue to shine more and more light on his truth why because the beast cannot and will not come until everybody knows until everybody knows and so this is something that i keep trying to harp on and help you guys understand that if it is a conditioned precedent meaning if it is a prerequisite that people have to know before christ comes that means that you're going to hear this over and over the conversation is going to be picking up steam you're going to see for example let's call it a hypothetical i'm putting the word in parentheses here alphabetically you're going to see conversations surrounding the investigative judgment or conversations surrounding uh let's just say sda doctrines or um the mark of the beast or whole anti-crisis these conversations are going to continue with intensity and frequency all across the world and all across social media it is not a coincidence that these conversations continue to arise and that is because god is making sure that the knowledge of the truth is set in place so that each one of us has an opportunity to either accept as brother lance said or reject it and um it's not something to play with so i just pray guys that we're doing our best all of us have families we have other obligations um and we're here you see uh uh brother lemon disappeared he had another obligation that that he had to attend to but the point is that we're here as a service of love and we're doing our best to make ourselves available to you by god's grace because we know that the end is near and now is not the time to mince words or just throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks now is the time to dig deeply into this to the word and to study and to see god with all of your heart and so if there's anything that we can do to help you we're trying our best to do that and we thank you for coming back week after week we thank you for your patience um sometimes we don't get to all of the questions but it is in our heart to do so and we'll be back next week to do justice to the conversation and to make sure that you have the tools you need to be able to see these things for yourself and not because a pastor who's been in the sda denomination for 20 or 30 years said oh because the bible says so with that i'm gonna ask brother lance to close us out with a word of prayer and we hope to see you guys next week all right let's pray heavenly father we thank you again for your word and we thank you for um the opportunity to come together and consider it for your holy spirit to give us wisdom and we thank you also lord for the desire that you will place in our hearts to know more about these things and we pray for the power to make right decisions and to follow your will again lord forgive us of our sins bless us as we go our respective ways and we ask that we all might be ready for your soon coming in jesus name amen amen amen good night guys blessings

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