Mafia Boss Turned Informant Loses His Cool

I started in this business when I was 19 years old when I killed somebody boom boom boom I used the hollow head jimmy hoppa was one of my best customers everytime he had a headache I would say aspirin obviously we hear different stories I didn't hear stories you heard Phil Leonetti yes he makes up stories salvie testa was the pure us young killer but everybody says that Leonetti also believes salvie testa was a great guy he let himself oniy he wanted to kill him how much time did you spend with Nicky Scarfo I hated him he was evil you said that to Angelo Bruno are you gonna kill Nicky I'm not gonna repeat that why should I repeat you didn't hear me so you had nothing to do with the quaaludes indical Kenneth they set me up guess who went to jail what did you learn from skinny razor he taught me number one don't trust nobody I know it that man how did those conversations take place between you and Morley no loneliness nothing he knows love either Gumbo's main in the world spit on the ground what Apple with Sonny Liston what still what's this - you don't even know then I gotta help you that's it that's why I have you here how'd you become a boss - because that's where the controversy comes in what's your controversy me and Killa brutal and Carlo Gambino nobody could touch me [Music] run homie look what I become [Music] my guest today it's got a different kind of a story his story goes all the way back to him being friends with Jimmy Hoffa and on top of that he also had a relationship with the man who killed Jimmy Hoffa obviously it was involved in a mob world in Philadelphia crime family and working with Angelo Bruno had a chance to do some work with Carlo Gambino pretty deep stories here and on top of that he ends up in the mid 90s with joy Molina when they get out of a jail together he ends up becoming the active boss of the Philadelphia crime family for four years until eventually becoming a witness and he became the highest ranking member that old mafia family to become a witness and go go work with the FBI so having said that my guest today Rafa natality Ralph thank you so much for being a guest today on that attainment my pleasure appreciate you for coming out you just says four questions that I'll give you the best answers for and truthful first question why are you doing this what why you want to tell this story why yeah why not well why wouldn't I say everybody knows who I am more like it was I started in this business when I was 19 years old really heavy I know every man every boss and I worked for the men who were controlled by these men the culinary workers and the Teamsters Jimmy Hoppa was one of my best customers every time he discussed every time he had a headache I would see aspirin as simple is that we got along I became very friendly with Jimmy I'm the last man that he came to see when he was trying to get me Union back by acclaim when he came into the South Jersey called a friend of his and the Teamsters said would you call that little guy tell him I want to see him I met the rickshaw I liked to talk them I know what it was okay he could be called me and I went I went there and were to friends are with me I make them sit outside of me because I didn't trust nobody in those days and I was good friends with Jimmy so they said in the lobby money search me and Mike my room they're both gone them hundreds of different and I went into same mice ones talking with John Greeley they were sitting through on ovary hugs we always hugged really because we became friends besides me doing and taking away his headaches once once or one when somebody wanted the pill there Teamster local out of his international and he was getting and making speeches and whatever he called for me he sent word to the guy from whoever they were what do you mean by you what he asked me to his headaches because he won't let me let me explain I went to see that the certain gentleman who worked and I talked that he said now we're pulling out this and that there I said do you know what you this is my do you know but you're doing for yourself - doing the Jimmy and the rest of the things yes I do and you say no you're you're still gonna try to port you're gonna make a mistake and that's all I said I'll see and within months nobody could find that guy he just disappeared then they found him somewhere laying down with two three holes in his head and that that local stood in the International that's how he built the International and they loved him because he treated him well but some men marigo explodes their sense of propriety and at that time we became friends and he never called no one else when he had a headache that's why he came to see me in the rickshaw one to sit down I said another strange something talking the corner was a by the bar it was if the lunch was quiet he said well I want to take over the local again the Union the International by acclaim he was Jimmy was a strong guy I said Jimmy why are you doing this you got all the money in the world I know you have it you you got a great pension you got a great family Josie was sleeping upstairs his way but what's were you he said out this the only thing I know how to do I said to myself he wasn't a moving I'm a womanizer I like most most men he wasn't no no that he wasn't a drunk and he was in a gambler he's the things that men do when they have money and time he didn't do any looser line I'm telling because I know I said just go back and enjoy your life Jimmy you did everything you had to do I love everybody loves rap I'm going to do something please I know the state of Jersey and all the Teamsters they love you and they fear you please get them but when I go into the convention the back me I said Jimmy I'm gonna give you one answer first of all a man can serve two kings you know where I was what I was almost born into he says yes I do I said well I'm gonna have to go and see him and if that name washes his hands of you I'll help you cuz I didn't like the punks that were pulling out for him they promise to loose I promised him that they gave him nothing but they gave him freedom and they Hayes had his pension he had everything he I said okay I'll give you a call and I'll let you know please well I'm gonna find out shortly shook his head I've seen my two friends okay somebody everything's okay I went to see Angelo Bruno at his home a sample little bit when he was killed right in front of there but that's another story when in his white answered or sua Noctem was quietly Oh Rob what are you doing it I said when the King calls his people have to come save me Rob come on in he said I know where you got I know that other guy came into the city look at him like the FBI to us and what do you want now I said he asked me to help them to be teamster boss again he said well I ain't gonna happen everything's been done agreements paid everything's done tell him to go home and enjoy his life I said I told him that already but he wants me to come and help note don't go near him don't go by him after you you told him already well he don't have to be told again send him a morning with someone else you stay away from them I said but just stay away from them I'm telling you what's wrong answer I would did everything for you for everybody because that's how I was wouldn't because I was Angeles last moment of everything he said the man upstate Jersey you know I mean the man that you went one day and you see was up on the roof with the pigeons flying pigeons oh you you want me to go see him no they're gonna do it and they'll take care of this business my god I said is that your less he said that's my laser okay good I'll see you later I love you I kiss him on the cheek and boom I left I know he was going to be dead was in or missing I didn't know it severed in two or three weeks and he was in two or three weeks yeah because he called this guy's I got it he was so he made an agreement with some men that he used to deal with in a Mafia family from New York and when he makes this agreement they were supposed to be binding on either one he space it will send somebody saying talk to you you know they send somebody they send three people the envy and Gretel brothers and Pedrito as I say my president Branson is saying the Sweetman went to see him and he was never so again it's never no fine no nothing and that was the end of Jimmy Hoffa because he didn't want to live nice for this family anyone to go out and still have that hair I am in Philadelphia ever Shawn I think is like the broadcaster at Fox News asked to see me I went up to see him I said yeah what's up he said take him talking about everything he said to a friend of yours who's the friend said Frank Sheeran thanks you yes what what is what did he want from you he told me he shot and killed Jimmy Hoffa what in fact it's only I saw it filmed I said not in a million years as you have to get near him no but he told me I'm believing I totally up your odds are gonna get together I'm going to investigate you do it because you've always been nice with people in you do what you got to do he's a liar he wants to be somebody before he dies because he's sick I think she's got cancer you're saying that yeah hey show mama okay good lo and behold he investigated where they found the blood on the floor then when the FBI sent for you forensic people in they tested it it wasn't Jimmy Hoffa's blood he said he shot him twice in him and then I'm when I went up to see my went up to see Eric again I said what did I tell you he wouldn't talk to him what's wrong with you he said my monster he he's a liar and I said well I told you that for you you won the bid puted he says I'm sorry I shall listen to you listen Jimmy Hoffa story and they'll never find him unless it said somebody one of those three now Tommy hey Ben burr Julie old the shooter suceed gotten a quarter each other and the two ins Reddy brothers but for Julio's not around because he got killed a couple of months after that because he was walking around in New York City and I killed that cop guy I should be getting the top I should be made a captain I should be this and that he was a main man went with the Union because I heard he was doing it he's putting this spotlight on him he was killed within that week and I heard that he came out of a restaurant a little bit resection boom boom boom he was done no more talking they lengthy and ready brothers one stood in New York and one hundred times ago he was labeled ooh Osen and they were doing things and making money illegally but not too much they skirted when I got into Lewisburg a year later so so I don't like them base who's there Tommy ain't ready he said but that was a mr. block and it was a B C D block I said she should tell me yeah your mommy hug me listen cuz he knew what I was and he knew what I would do everybody Lou I said good huh how's everything you know things were getting too hot around their eggs they pick me up on some day gave me ten years and listened that and I looked at him I said my god look at this look what happened to Jimmy and he was part of it and when I went to Eric I talked to him after that he said I'm so glad you told me that I was making a fool of myself well I never Sherman I just told you he did not do it he's a liar so that's that story but Jimmy Hoppa did you ever meet Frank like did you know who my new friend knows since he used to come in to the bar that and I'm gonna bring you another name up you skinny racer did you ever hear that horse yeah all right have fun mentor from the guy said what's that he's the boss's mentor he was he was a guy that his mind mentoring was yours he was scarfo's he was described scoffs no he hated scars oh please don't and I know you were told dish that people you had in here are making a story up that's why you Leonetti makes up stories Oh Phil Leonetti yes he makes up stuff yes he's not to kill he's supposed to be Phil Leonetti makes up stories yes I mean it's been I wouldn't say that you would have known that skinny razor was known as a guy that skinny razor was the most feared men in the United States but then he wouldn't talk to them people went talk to fool inland to you or Nicky Scarfo he became when he got 45 years he became a witness the only time I'd be paying it became a witness was at the end when I took intro money I'm being right they made a Morse where you gotta take care of my family cuz I'm gonna stay they needed help in the city they were trying I was someone to put that group together nobody else I said but you got to promise me one thing on our blood something happens to me was I get killed I go to jail you go and bring your envelope every Monday I mean every month excuse me and bring it over to my wife yeah good you know what happened mmm not a time not a dime that's what they are that's why I'm here a little bit what's Joe we got to do a leonetti and scar for though Joe we should go Bashar was they were together as brothers one time ladies not Scarfo is a sick man he was born sick he's gonna dissect and Leonetti he wanted leonetti's Ribisi you were gonna you got the story first and you believed it he wanted leonetti to be honored and wrote about in the paper like other people that's what he wanted he wanted under to be like he wanted him to be like salvie testa salvie testa was the purest young killer but everybody says that so so what you say know what you're saying right there is to challenge you a little bit but why would you challenge me oh no no - challenge you on that a little bit Leonetti also believes salvie testa was a great guy well because she's telling you you're listening to him when you're saying the same thing no I'm not I said sally was ly lady cell phonee no no Leonetti said sally is also great guy Oh Diane you believe that he he wanted to kill him he was told to kill him when he had a chance because he reported the Scarfo Nicky Scarfo hated almond kids from downtown course everyone knows that mom or do you say everyone that you're telling me something no no everyone knows that knowing that he listened we went when sorry okay you tell me when skarphol passed away three years ago not a lot of people showed up to his funeral you know known that there was not a lot of you know he was hated he hated me yeah he would curse Scott because I a strange a little Brunel many years before that I'm gonna go kill Mickey's gonna cause us problems with Atlantic City you said that sounds a little boring are they gonna call kill Nikki I'm not gonna repeat that why should I repeat you didn't hear me I said it and nobody said to me thank you dear he's as his uncle's came over than when the boat would me the war that we had with the Americanized Isis because when they came off the boat they call them zips and they start tape by tonight there's two numbers than their everything every little gambling house that's what happened Nicky Scarfo was scum he did everything wrong you see what he did how he conducted him he didn't he hated him he had his salary tested he hated Nicky when his father became boss he hated it but he he did what he had to do Nicky Scarfo I wouldn't I'm gonna treat him I turn my back that's what he was he wouldn't you wouldn't what I couldn't hear you I wouldn't treat him if I turned my back on him well and did you see what lien lady told you when he went and gave what I mean that's the morning testimony he said that and my uncle told me to build this just the wall behind his kitchen and then the yard and then there was an alleyway he wanted me to building before a wall ain't 4/12 be cinder blocks why do you want me to build this wall said he said because Ralphie his hands they killed me and Ames turned him down but he ain't gonna listen to him because he'll come up and kill me if if he and it's easy and let's proof he said it you're you're man that told you they said they letting never been nothing he said he'd kill twenty would he kid in his brain and he listened you listen don't fine it's up to you nobody's like me nobody I'm and I'm not telling you to believe it I killed more people than cancer for Angelo Bruno for Joe batters in Chicago for the heads of the Teamsters haters a call me whenever they needed me I was there everybody in Chicago belongs to Joe batters I was in prison already in Lewisburg I had a vision in Lewis break from my wife and some other girlfriends those whose husbands were in there they drove up from South Jersey two cops that were watching us listen said well when you're done go see Victor Kathleen Wynn Cecile I said for what autism he said he's got some people man some people I went down I walked in but Katherine is six seven suits FBI I looked at them he said he's a gentleman from the FBI they want to speak to you and I think you should listen to it I said okay I said no what do you fellas one said we were told to offer you complete freedom I just started that the 27-year sentence the three years I had no mustering it so much will give you a certain amount of money to live you have no nobody body no law or no message we want the information on Angelo Bruno on Tony Accardo okay listen you got the wrong guy but you you just starting you gonna have to do this you got the wrong man I walked out and I went there and that's what I said to them you see some thumb I never told anybody I kills anybody when doing it Tommy Lillian and Leonetti leading lady sees me and run as long as I am here run down the street and that's the story about them so you you will get ready to tell a story about the skinny razor John pick any razor was your mentor was the most feared man in the United States what made him feel he was 19 years old Al Capone was they were having that war between the Irish sending it and Al Capone and his men and whatever he came to Philadelphia and made it make they made arrangements other detective see search him find a gun on him and they've given him one year he wanted to get away for you too many guys were getting killed back and forth he was with Al Silverberg how Silverberg once started with murder incorporated was proficient at killing our Silverberg Al Capone and his lawyer they were talking he said that's just the young man you told me about skinny told me skinny told me this word-for-word some I was so poor my my pants was thing from Washington for doing this I was freezing that day and he said I'm Al Capone I said yes mr. Silber burka he said it's a piece of paper they he told me what he thinks of you but you will do anything to better yourself yes I would isn't it miss ain't names on you I'm gonna go away for a year and when I come home I don't want to see or hear or have any evidence that they were ever alive I'm leaving it up to you and this man told told me how summer break stood for you how subtle Berg was some some guy before he went away got caught in a murder and sent in the central part of the country when another man Jeff Newman they were with the two mom he took the paper everything for months they said he said I will tell you you will be sent word way to go when you go and you'll live somewhere right outside in the suburbs they'll give you a little car and if you are without Silverberg section walk you're gonna be made the rest of your life and that's what happened and he told ang well after that when he came over from Chicago he said and I'm gonna go see my friend down in Florida he had a kite at home nice logs a little bit but a nice little one this is what I told Ralphie if aunt needs anything he'll call you I told him you're the only one he can trust in this city and I know where you could because I went with him when a couple things he loved you know what you're doing he wants to check out he cleaned him right up cleans everybody the war stopped stopped you want to talk about go away stallion Eddie and Nicky Scarfo and all them crumbs they know nothing they was told nothing and they know nothing but I seen it comes from my mom I seen I heard and I know what and I was there on a couple of things with him he took me he saw something in me and I thanked him and we were friends when I hear for my life and he stood for me and now Silverberg and he came in with an old girlfriend his piercing blue eyes took my Rafi I heard a lot about you I said I'll ER I heard volumes about you mr. Silverberg no no al because skinny loves you I said I love him so take care of him I said I will devastate their true stories just things that happened and everybody knows it very convincing your method of storytelling is very cannot a story man I can't tell a lie when I was a little boy I found that Liars of nothing and you always have a problem these guys I'm gonna be this Leonetti was in Lewisburg I was in Lewisburg at the time and they were all down there the prisoners waiting they get the sentence then they brought him back to the city he got 45 years or 40 years he's [ __ ] his pants excuse me mine went and they become a witness immediately immediately you tell me they might please you you might be pleased within an item if I don't please you your hunt excuse my language in the way edge but I'm telling you the truth I can do anything I want when you're telling the truth when you tell them a lie you'll find out what what else did you learn from skinny razor what were some of the things he taught you when he was mentoring you he taught me number one don't trust nobody I know it that man he didn't mean everything he meant nobody it would be if you talk to him your life would be different your life not to be a criminal message them we know that but your life would be different because you meet a man's man what he did in his life times unreal unreal every boss in the country pays honor to him money-wise and was with respect Nicky Scarfo lien ladies if they never come near his saloon because they were afraid why nobody was going they were afraid even when he was a made man Nicky he's the worst the worst and I would have said if they didn't build that thing I but then I went to jail after that I've been in jail a lot of years me let me just say he he I'm gonna even say shouldn't his pants when he already gotten through that sentence when they had me in Florida before the judge didn't send someone something else the prosecutors a friend to sentence me on the dangerous spatial special vendor check all this stuff you could get 25 years on a single count of any counts that you have in your oh my god I saw these [ __ ] what they did they want to take me away from my family but I took myself away I believed myself nobody but all of a sudden fun they called me forget what they said things I never remember was I I was here I did what are you talking about and Jake Osman was angel Bruno's best friend to find fine men they robbed my men around like you the people work for you who would never do anything like that but I was born into it I'm still a nice man but I'm still me anybody comes near my family or what I'm going to go kill her nobody comes near my family thank god you're gonna compare Nicky Scarfo that crumb that he is with me well Julian let he was he's [ __ ] this painting into a day well how vicious were you like I was good well I'm gonna when I killed somebody for somebody boat is good good reason I'm not trying to go on kill it innocent people but when I did it I didn't like skinny little I shot two three times right in the face if I could have Mallory in the back of the head but in the face they die without a pain I made a joke of it I never hurt anybody boom boom boom I used to hollow hairs you know wonder how hollow heads are that's all I use and then the Lord know I did it that's about me that's right quim prove it well I had to plead to six murders on my last one so they let me please listen that there and I went home to my wife and family they visited me every day met every day but every time of visiting no matter where I was in Lewisburg and in a land of federal prison I would say of all the high ones and they loved me every time I walked in I was welcome seeing seeing fully in any ever walked in in a prison and got welcomed like I did you could write a scrip for that all this I could give you a script about salvie testa that create so vengeance did you know that for the people that kills his father Phil no no no salvie testa killed the people today kills his father okay you know yeah well sally was savvy was loved by everybody don't you had to love him you know why he was not a guy to pick on anybody that was weaker he wasn't he wasn't a liar the last time I saw him before and I want to went to prison then it almost robbed me it's Sally he lives up the street one chunk Street and on the corner lived he answered Bruno's daughter and son-in-law he said my father wants to send me to Temple University all this is in I don't want to go to no university I can't be I'm gonna be me I looked at it a minute yeah 17 18 years old I said Sally he's looking at me I know that and his mother had cancer at the time he was gonna die he said I came through it the priest my father that way I love my mom but I'm not gonna go no universe I'm gonna be what he was and what he's doing and what I'm gonna do so can she kissed me I never saw me because I'm run away to prison when he wrote the story on vengeance he was a man Mickey one of it Leonetti to be sort of like he couldn't carry his toothbrush and mr. truth I don't think fill one of the life though what I don't think Phil wanted the life well wait a minute wait a minute but say what you said it's true nobody screw me he but he did it because he was afraid of his uncle sure tell us something summers tell you my uncle kill me then if you're a man would you let your uncle you're the father so you gotta go do this you go and you go do it you don't want to do it then you're you're lying to yourself how much somebody just done with Nicky Scarfo me yeah not too much when we grew up and I hated him because you wish it yeah Hey was evil I think what how old were you when you met him first you and me well he was I was going to junior high school and he used saengil in the corner there that's why not you know we knew when I'm anxious but I don't I saw I saw in his eyes that he he wasn't true he wanted to kill people but to be a killer it wasn't a killer he was a savage what's the difference the killers have killer sense his job that's the difference I had a job that was my job what's this I didn't know I didn't know the difference between that if I did I'd be a doctor today I'll be taking care of you when you come in you once said you wanted to kill your death how was your let me let me explain that where we live in South Philly was on Morton Street and on tenth Morton was a civil war cemetery right opposite of George Washington School those was a Civil War Cemetery well they decided to take that up and make it a playground for everybody I hope for square box city box we used to go as boys 11 12 years old jump and playing we were doing them one night and I forgot it was late it was like 9:30 quarter-cent my father said you better get in at 9 o'clock so I come in the door was fought who's there behind the door my father and he did time in the Eastern sleep end for attempted murder long time ago you son of a [ __ ] I told you coming at certain time I'm looking at missing I didn't go to work just hustled numbers took bets to cover it and he's looking that's how face my mind went and I walked in on the boy and son of a [ __ ] like and he got his foot when you want to kick someone your location but if you want to kick him you kick them on the side that means your number to trim I'm taking you in well he kicked me a shot knocked me forward stop it entry war I turned around and I told him don't you ever ever touch me again cause I'll kill you he knew I would I didn't know I would but look what I said that's how I started I took my I gave him I gave my soul to the devil how old were you well when I knew when I would become i i i knew it I couldn't help it and yet I'm nice what my family my wife my children other people's children I'm nice with men like you and workers and I am I never never never imposed my will upon another man unless that man is bad that's my life did your relationship end up being good with your dad or Nell with your father no I never never was good my mother thought it wasn't too hot either she hated me sometimes smack me she said you got to do the dishes today I do dishes I hope that let me ask the question you know I'm big on looking at eyes okay and I think you'll read a lot of people through when you look at the rice you're like me yeah when you look at someone's eyes it tells a story when I look at your eyes I see oh oh that there's rage you can tap into a rage side you just talked about your mom and dad you talk about the fact that your mom would say go wash your dishes and then she my mother was not a real mother right and then your father is well the fact that you had the experience would you say your rage came from your parents could it could be they were terrible to me I ride was raised from and we hadn't we ended she had another boy my have a brother younger brother but he's not me he and I loved him I showed him how to hit a baseball how to do to me he's five years younger than me and he became something else so I let him alone he left you know I called him a couple of times you've never returned my call your brother yeah interesting I can't I can't overcome that so you've met a lot of different people because you come from you know a couple different generations who would who were some of the folks you met when you were coming up some of the big names you met Capone did you meet some of those names they were the big names to me but this you mean Frank Sinatra Frank Sinatra of course I imagine I met him when he was appearing I'm glad you asked about it at the black casino in South Jersey he had to go and see say hello to Angelo Bruno because the poor gnome wasn't going in there to see him because he didn't like nightclubs and things and drinking it all so the chief calls me up I called the chief what's up he said you got to pick up Frank Sinatra thanks so much because you know I didn't like him anyway because Frank Sinatra is a bully okay that's a Latin yeah pick him up and this and that I said okay good and he was cocky he thought I was just picked up guys oh yeah yeah okay kid yeah what are you doing okay you want to sit in the front mr. Sinatra I said where you want to sit in the back no I sit in a problem with you man anyway I drove him over oh yeah well maybe say but coming out they heard he was coming it was it yeah he's the maybe the greatest pop singer I know what I'll ever lived but he stinks as a man and he always did he went in and I said sue said come on no no I'm gonna sit outside get some man I see some people I know I'm gonna say something okay oh it's been hours just wish what would come out in stress the door everybody waited and got with counseling some nice man pretty cool I said you want to sit in the front no I said no problem yeah all of us have seen his manner changed I didn't know you were you have to know anything about me I'm just nice to you because of Angelo Bruno and he's nice for me because he likes me and that was all I was saved all the way back no no Frank Sinatra no this oh that's better people they didn't matter to me and the most important person after many years is my wife what was your involvement in Atlantic City an Atlantic City was a dirty dish town it had nothing after there was a people was almost starving they weren't working than when learning when I went usually I Drive Ange to New York he goes to social clubs I wanna go downstairs imma go here there that's all go see man he comes back he said then come on when we're going for a ride I know where nothing okay he was a heavy smoker you know and I take him because if he says fansign you don't think I'm in the club hey say hello to the guy cuz they won't new me it's been so long who knows and I put Chetan half-hour so he comes that come on we're gonna go take a ride to a hotel Hotel where he said I know where it's at I'll show you me be me which Mike guess what's the hotel the wolves off with stormy we went to the elevator went up a couple hours past two or three hours and the elevator door open who comes out and who's walking behind him Carlo Gambino boss is above all bosses I feel my god they must have some speech up there was it they had a sweet since Luciano on it they going to have meetings up there at that time and worked over and I see Carla's looking straight at me legislation I stay still it's a bad manners to approach a boy especially one like him too fast never never step ahead for men too fast whether he's a boss always dangerous I just stood there she walked away might come out look over put his Hannah I'm not never put your handouts to a boss who are you were to go shake him I just he put his head out I better shake his hand cuz I'm gonna have a hand let that's the young man I keep telling you on that oh yes he's told me about you that you will or capable man capable means one thing in that language you're able to do with you I try to be I said okay he said we got we came up with an idea and walk out with us we want to tell you about it my god girls listen they made me feel like cowboys don't reach he said we're talking about Atlantic City aints told me that you took over local 170 and canden saying a problem you took it over you you had an election you won yeah yes I did but I give him a giving my time he said my son's came back cited their lawyers go to wall speech they play they know this business they're trying to raise money for Atlantic City to make it into a casino town oh my god look at the who's behind it and he said we have to send one guy to go see our friends and it says name my friend in Chicago if we want you if it works you run that Union well I got it no but you run that you run that you and they got another Union down there you're gonna we're gonna get that Union your unions to come together and we're gonna make you run the whole thing because we want a casino down my god and that's hell I met Carlo Gambino and then everything starts a boom get this one then they start pushing it when they had when it came up for election a referendum the pace they lost not much more but they lost now when prior to that I went to them says you know they need some money the people that are trying to put this for the paper for everything oh yeah yeah we're gonna give so much that's good I can count on you they gave this one was this was needed imagine people owning property or beat up hotels you could sell make another hotel they didn't give me nothing I said call a meeting next week I'm gonna meet everybody and call the bullying trades to come in tell them roughly said I just say rob them in town I didn't have to I was known as frumpy well next week they what we did and I came in hey brother let's not talk I'm just another friendly talk we're going to try to push that again the next boat and I'm gonna tell you how much everyone is I'm gonna have to put in they put big money up and we got extra money from Philadelphia because I went up there and John McCallum was alive at the time you don't know John McCullough he was a marine here on the Second World War and Nicky Scarfo had him killed because of Atlantic City he went and told I said John and John wasn't afraid of anybody I said John we need more money from you he runs a bullet race plumbers think they're all making big money this is what we need and lo and behold they put up a bundle up for Linux city because they were transferring guys and get them jobs and everything and this is the the reason that Nicky Scarfo hated John McCullough that's another reason and Nicky Scarfo talks they stoled with it don't touch them stove is it you know still building what it means okay you talk to him talk to me he says we gotta kill him because he's gonna get us in trouble again they gave money for this and that's still testing know anything about business he said I don't let me go I'll take him you're got nothing to do with it he did it he called Long John who was angel Bruno's legitimate so-called legitimate partner in the bending cigarette survives and told him we're going to have to kill this guy well they put it together they go there on a Christmas week John already went home he's on the phone talking and the guy with the bundle of flowers at all oh yeah mrs. my caller cheap yeah can I bring this in uh - yeah okay good just gotta bring see I was puts him down boom boom boom boom kills John McCullough while he's talking on the phone in front of his wife and then leaves he this kid this junkie he's don't like this junkie was told by John and by Long John who was involved with the whole thing was insane she'll burn us partner mention and told him don't worry we're going to fix everything up you're gonna be a high man in the local killer and that's how John McCauley got killed under the orders from mere Mickey Scarfo telling Long John and he got this kid to go in and kill you want me to like him Long John was a crumb fish like Nicky Scott he was deathly afraid of Nicky what was the relation was the Carlo Gambino ask you to do something with John Gotti what happened with you and God II there was something happened with you and John Gotti John Gotti I never I never like I'll tell you what he did what he did he was in Lewisburg with Roma Grill they were both ones doing a little bit they saw the talk both more brackets John mcgrill expire it stopped guy this night John McGrath told him I got a language city it's the truth this is mine I'll give whatever I once I run the Union they shouldn't you run the Union we stood Ralphie now I do it i oh yeah he did it he said that yeah [ __ ] Ralphie oh he said thanks yeah okay now John McBroom became and John Gotti but he told them I got I'm gonna bet my Union he went home went to New York City and then the other crowd she was the his friend he told him I'm going to get this this kid says I was crying come he's going to give it and do anything we want and if he doesn't well do what we have to do okay he's already got a language city John Gotti I said to my SIA I said he's got silicon yeah I said how can I gotta kill this guy he's one aback with every tale and he's making their brilliant good thing that's going to happen but it wasn't what happened because I still was outside because I was waiting for mr. mcgrill to come home and that's how that's what I said about I don't care about John Gotti John Gotti says get this hair fix would have put a barber every day John Conte killed they'd be DB was the poor number but pornographer King he was having trouble in Philadelphia because he put two places there and the his partners was Angelo Bruno call the Gambino they shared everything and it was him leasing guy say that he had his own studio it's like you got everything I said my god everything's coming leaking over here what's this guy now John Gotti keeps he bets he couldn't win if he knew who was gonna win and they banned any bet anything he was up to here with that ego to him he gave him so much paid off but he got to be one day he said twenty-five thirty thousand on a weekend I can't afford that you don't making money you name it well I'm not making that kind of money and turned him down for that one time after that he killed him John Gotti killed demons real kills him but no reason a good guy that paid his debts off John Gotti let's get back to Lane City we went to three bosses I only answer to three bosses Angelo Bruno call the Gambino and Joe baddest they were and they told me you do what you have to do they keep that because that's going to be our city and was a wide-open order and I did and we made it and when as soon as they gave him the they vote we won guess who went to jail I went to jail they have anyone Charlie Alan this guy they the insurance time we had an insurance guy Sean sky gave up I helped the Jewish guy burn his furniture store down he said you had a million dollars worth of instruments you do okay I won't hand for that you keep the other hand and go make another store is this mr. living room guy mr. Lieberman and I went to jail and all health when I went away all hell broke loose walked around like his Nicky Scarfo Julian any oh my god oh my god what what what happened I said what happened now you hear these stories and they have no damn no proof they never did anything in any casino town that weren't allowed in Vegas before I became with as Hanley the head of the because of the culture you know all them people when we got off the plane woman one time me and Mike Maronna the lieutenant cop capsules they were there to pick us up you're in coming here well I never did you're not coming here unless you want to see the desert they said they were known the Berber guys in the desert the cops when they were real bad that's what I know so we all got together we ended up after that I could go anywhere well as Hanley and we could do what we wanted to do in Atlantic City we all started to make money on the insurance imagine under 30,000 members paying you insurance foot health insurance or any other insurance you had don't you have to give if you're gonna make over the last thirty thousand if you're gonna make ten thousand don't you have to give me a few pennies because I'm the guy that sent him over to see you and it works that way that's how you were making that money at that time in Atlantic City yeah is that also the time with the five hundred thousand quaaludes and ten kilos of cocaine or now oh no they set me up I have done you sell that and my cousin Raymond and Charlie on set me up Raymond would soon I'm gonna lose my house and it's me like the jerk hope that I am I said you're not lying I did not him and Charlie Alan set me up and flattened him in Florida and they took me away and I said my wife and children all by themselves but we we did okay so you had nothing to do with the the quaaludes and and cocaine Oh Donna I was squirting out then what money what money so so let's fast-forward so now that's forward you it's an you end up doing time you're in jail I think with Joey Merlino and you guys are together he knows that you're have some experience in the past obviously with the Angelo Bruno and he his father you know he comes from a family as a certain lineage how does how did those conversations take place between you and morally no didn't you becoming a boss most probably very simple mm-hmm Joe Mannino owed everybody in the city of filling up there a lot of money nobody trusted him now he has a crew Michael Chang who got killed and Russia he had a crew and he had something that I didn't have there's nobody around but then and he told me everything that they had in this and that he was gonna do this good you're gonna do that okay I'm gonna back you I said where's in New York anybody goes to their Joe Morelli no I'm gonna kill him I didn't say I'm going to hurt them I'm good I'm gonna kill them it's the only way to say to people that know that and they know where it comes from and this is what he is but Joe Mannino ended up being a punk date I went to trial found guilty and then I said okay I'm gonna go there I win I said they send me an envelope with massive deals and words in it every cent my wife an envelope or to live on you know what they got for one year I waited a year nothing I said I'm now on faces another one I called the FBI want to talk to you and that's how I become a witness at the end of my career look at him and when I got in there I said and these punks and the judge I'll use the words I want to use he gave me as much as they got 13 years and he gave me 13 years and say nice and I did it every [ __ ] day those Punk's Chameli you - and how about one day they killed poor Sal be I know his whole story money does nothing he knows nothing - dumbest man in the world he's a liar you listen to him you'll build a house Warren he's a liar he's a boy he owes everybody everybody that had anything to do with him I see him I oh my god he is a punk I called them punks every game because they're punks that's why he gave me thirteen give them 30 [ __ ] I did time before just 16 got another 13 is 39 years and bad joints how'd you become a boss though because that's where the controversy comes in much moisture controversy so you're in jail you're in prison with Joey you guys are thinking about coming out there's a strategy to create a war because it's an opportunity for you to take over you might enjoy it and then you know you know it's very very very very very simple yeah I became a bush cause I said I'm the boss I came on anybody that doesn't like it I don't hide I Drive around to go to track you could come I was always and I was on the parole and I had a pistol on me cause them come you know how many people send up nobody excuse me for raising my voice is just I remember what my wife had to do so you came out of normal swore you when you became a boss there was no I was sworn in already but I even forgot to tell when the only swimming in that I ever had was me Angelo Bruno and caller gave me the book all three of us cut our fingers color so that's gotta be a prison we want it that way you belong to me and you belong Vinge now that's why they sent me to Chicago nobody could touch me that's why and you want to listen to people of you I don't know what you're doing but kind of enjoy so unit I've never met George he's a punk he's a liar and he's afraid of people I saved his life they wonder kill him from New York I said I'll put my life up for him let ask him then what he's done to people the money goes to people his mother he resisted why even talk about it you guys both got out in 2011 all right did you stay at the same place or know where you and Joey should work change placing prison know who was at a different place than you he could stay with me as those that I brought up beat the [ __ ] outta me that punk you don't know how to fight that's what he is I'm telling you what they are they keyed on it but they did everything you hurt everybody he owes everybody now he's walking the streets the boss he he met himself the boys he's a boy nobody nobody looks at him he can't get nobody him unless he were like this when they were friends they couldn't come near salvie testa they couldn't come near him true man a true man do you still keep in contact with anything mop at all no no one why should I you don't they just take him know if I want to I can go to anywhere and I'll be welcome the guys from New York were all in Lewisburg they loved me because I was true attend I didn't lie to him going back to talking about Frank Sheeran and we're talking about this like Sharon's a liar he's a pathetic have you seen Irishman there's no I didn't see it you know the story you already know it's not a true story it's no truly even the people that made it to now save it they made a movie with a lie three or mental and and took that money on their woulda be ashamed himself Pacino they who are the other guys they're rolled I'm old but I'm not old I'm old your age what's send out my age because they came to nothing what is what I mean they came to nothing I don't know what that means they can't do nothing they don't have this they can't kill me they're not capable what am I going to tell you I'm trying to make it look good they're going to yeah my god last story here before we go through a speed round what happened with Sonny Liston with Cassius Clay night oh you would still what's the story with I'm gonna taste very simple Sonny Liston was managed by blinky Palermo you know blinking Palermo watch see you don't even know that I gotta help you if I wasn't here I'm really giving a story okay blinky Palermo on Frankie Carbone from New York Rams a boxing game you have done this thing blinky Palermo has Sonny Liston he used to train in Philadelphia for that fight but Cassius Clay what happened Cassius Clay was she opens up at 11 the one on the dog they went to ten to one and stood that way blinky told our friend the gym to listen you gotta take your time for this one you using too much heroin because blinker would have killed him blinky was waiting 112 pounds he would have killed it he said what am I supposed to kill you you're like a son to me I had to watch how much Herrmann you you shoot in you that's what he was doing but when he was training for bind he never took it and the man you seen in that one picture when me Frankie which was Hoffman when he used to get out of line they used to let Frankie go in and spar with him Frankie used to be a fighter thank you still going near him what he used to do to him Frankie's a big guy yeah you couldn't if you had a bat you'd be a loser with Frankie as big and strong as he was it's quiet and listen to me all the time that's why when he called me Hoffman on the phone I gotta say I gotta say was something else what happened was listening listening killed themselves they don't say somebody he owed heed he he went down and in the second fight he went down he's six round he don't want to come out of the Sun that's another one they won money every boss and underboss one fortunes with that first fight and the second point that cleans up too because they know was a setup and of course good thing he ain't one dude he's afraid of them he was fearless a picture but he was afraid of them because they would kill him Frankie karma would chew him up Franky carbo's the man they killed Bugsy Siegel in California in LA he killed him they got a hundred he chose him the man in Gray's did all the top killing at that time simple the [ __ ] there's a whole crew from the Italians who were building them casino lending the money in in Vegas think again and said now I gotta kill him that's the difference he took the money he didn't take your money the boy took the money and put him he could he was madly in love with a stick but they killed him that's not the point the point is they were all made money and they killed him give him at Meyer Lansky ever no no I don't wanna leave because he gave up his friend he gave up but bucks a sicko he gave him up yeah he's down there with a [ __ ] another lies there as far as I'm concerned you can do he says yes you can kill them and they kill them nice nice when you go to bed at night you get up you say my god look what happened Jimmy bugs you or no huh did you meet Bugsy Ben Siegel Bugsy shake oh yeah no you never met him no you met any to form for like Costello lucky or any of those guys without a prior no they're not your era no okay got it okay the last thing here we're gonna do is speed round I'm gonna give you a name tell me the first thing that comes to your mind but where do you call it speed round Oh could give you names gay guys and so we're gonna play a kid game it's okay we're gonna play kid game all right first name Joey Merlino spin it on the ground Nicky Scarfo a demon Sonny Franzese nice man Sammy Gravano another demon Sammy Sammy Gravano what did he do he killed everybody because he couldn't go to jail that's why I killed him you got understand this that sound like wool I went to jail I did 29 years I can't kill everybody people up my cousin Raymond set me up my aunt dolly was his mother I love my aunt dolly she treated me more like a mother than my mother she said when I come home they threw a little party Ralphie please she got me don't kill my Raymond they won't knew me from since I was a boy don't kill my Raymond he didn't nobody was in Charlie let's not talk about let's have another drink her mother that's the truth my aunt Galia don't tell my son what was I going to do I couldn't do that some things I couldn't do John VZ a crumb a crumb what were worried about me say he's a crumb he never was any they may have been thrown gangster Randy shot he got his brother killed Johnny gongs I don't wait a minute I know of him but I don't know okay alright no opinion Steven Mazzoni he was with me almost every day when I was home he become eBay Board a week he went bald what a week he became a gangster he couldn't be a gangster when all of us are dead Angelo Bruno a fine man like I sold whenever later judges a day is a fine man a fine old man because he was that's why he's dead but he was a great boss but a lot of people Phil testa stinks let me say some bubble test he made his man go to sea sand on a post under captain che settled because testa and him and Sonoma argument then he says he'll go to he made him go by himself and that zip John Stanford who he who he put in business and put him in bed the working business construction he stinks why would even be because they all have a story they don't have one story like me I don't have a story I tell you the truth I'll tell you what happened what we did I killed Joe mcgrill you know why because he say told Charlie Allen you go home kill Ralphie I'll give me the book you'll be the second when he come in over there cuz I'm coming home soon and he's dead cuz he told a few other guys she's trying to get somebody to bang me while I was on the street nice man come with will I tell it's funny I still come for right let's go let's go shake down the guys open the new drink come on I sang them back home in the back you see the chapter I wrote on that perfect and then when he pulled up his ice about map what's going on here I said I'll tell you what's going on I put three in the one hole come back of his head three Bing Bing Bing hallo heads you wanted to kill me I made him next one one word a good man a good nor yeah Frank's you're a liar pathetic fool a fool Tommy and Radha I wouldn't trust him Joe batters nobody I give him my life Carlo Gambino I'll give him my life Cillian Eddie Phil Leonetti I don't even like him he's got no ranking in my skinny razor one of the finest men I have ever met you shaky one of the finest men I've ever met you ever met him and he shake your hands and you usually stand that George Borghese he said John Marley knows hackie nothing nothing Sal testa a fine young gangster tough as they come you know it's amazing because obviously myself the viewers we hear different stories but at the end of the day I didn't hear stories you heard from the week we hear stories you know notice oh I'm sorry we hear store okay good then what you should put then you've got a you gotta be me the editor of people that you believe then functions put it out put it out be a fool look at all of them now what they're doing and with AJ look what they did nothing in their life come on but put your first name Patrick Patrick said a beautiful name that's what's listen to me I will never tell you a lie to make you cuz I know you there's that everything I'm telling you is the truth and the day I go home I'm gonna beat it I'm gonna think of you and anytime you want to talk to me about any of this let me know only I can't take trains like that or that side from what up thrown my cover a train but a [ __ ] train you're gonna be desperate I'll get somebody who's driving me but I wish you in in good humor and don't make a lot of money god bless you you look like what insurance something you live your life and live don't listen to people want to come and you don't know anything about them you know about your business please do what you have to do I'll never hold anything against you well you say I'm crazy well do this whatever you do I tell you when I tell the truth I can't get many you say I'm a liar okay you're not one of them guys Patrick please thanks for coming out for the audience so with that being said you know you heard a lot of different stories he says he's telling the truth you know there's a lot of people that agree disagree there's a lot of different rumors and stories out there but this is the book if you haven't read it at last dawn standing the secret life of mob boss Roth Natale highest-ranking member to become a witness if you haven't read the book yet click on a link below to watch it Ralph thanks for coming out you say well do well appreciate the insurance bases thank you yeah that's tradition it is a business different kind of a story right I mean the whole story with Jimmy Hoffa and Carlo Gambino asking him to go and do stuff with John Gotti in Atlantic City very different kind of a story so if you watch this interview you probably watch a lot of the mob interviews that we have on guy tainment you're like that series I got two other ones I want you to watch that's linked to this one of them is wood Fillion Eddie who is also part of Philadelphia was a former underboss and the other one I want you to watch the Sammy bull Carano because both stories were mentioned in today's intervene if you haven't yet subscribed to the channel please do so thanks for watching everybody take care bye bye you

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Published: Thu Jun 04 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/Wrathful_Buddha]

In just 20 seconds I can tell this man is desperate for validation so he namedrops and attributes falsely for social approval. Sad.

[u/MyGFhasabigbuttAMA]

Natale is a clown and his claims have been discredited many times.

[u/HoamerEss]

He is... not to be believed and has a history of inflating his experiences and position in the Philly LCN

[u/mrtimize]

I really wish they would get Mikey Scars

[u/bfov222]

Scumbag Rat

[u/anonymousvivi]

Idk about everyone else but I trust what Leonetti said way more than this guy j barely got through this.