Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another
video on ForgottenWeapons.com. I'm Ian McCollum, and today, courtesy of Inter Ordnance or Royal Tiger Imports, we're taking a look at an M38 Carcano. This is a Fucile Corto, or short rifle. And it is the rifle that Italy developed for World War Two. And I will argue that it is conceptually one of the very best ... bolt action rifles of World War Two. I know that's a bold statement, but hear me out. The origin of this rifle goes back to the 1920s when the Italian military started to get concerned that their 6.5 ammunition just didn't have the terminal effectiveness. It wasn't deadly enough, ... it just wasn't good enough. It was in fact the very first 6.5 cartridge ever to be adopted, it was a relatively low powered cartridge by
what were becoming the standards of the day. You've got the Germans over there with their super-
powerful 8mm Mauser, and the Americans with .30-06, and the British with .303. Everyone's got big bullets. And the Italians are sitting here looking at
their little 6.5 going, "Well, maybe it's not so great." So they start investigating a larger cartridge,
and by 1935 they basically have it finalised. And it's going to be 7.35mm, which is
basically .300 inch as opposed to 0.308 inch. It's a .30 calibre cartridge at 7.35x51mm. So the same case length as what would
eventually be adopted for the NATO standard round. It fired a 125 grain projectile at
approximately 2,500 feet per second. A little bit less than that out of a carbine,
2,500 out of this guy. Now they didn't have a lot of
money to put into this project. So they wanted to be able to convert existing rifles to the
new pattern, the new standard, and the new ammunition. In fact, ... the chambers of the 6.5 and the 7.35
are similar enough that you can actually rebore a 6.5 barrel to 7.35 without
having to change the chamber end. Which is maybe part of the reason they
didn't make that cartridge any longer. Part of the idea was they wanted to convert existing rifles,
so they didn't have to make everything new from scratch. However, they did create a new standard rifle. They knew that like, "OK, the M91 Carcano,
the rifle is way too big, it's clunky, it's obsolete. The carbines are maybe a little too short for everybody.
We want something new for the standard infantry." And they sort of took a page from the French plan, where the French ... plan was to have a
semi-automatic rifle for front-line infantry, the guys who are the standing
army and the best qualified soldiers. And then have an ... effective but economical
bolt action for the second line troops, for reservists, for the reserve army,
you know the stockpiles of arms. The Italians did the same thing with this. Their plan
was to have a semi-automatic rifle for the hotshots, ... well, the main infantry in the standing army,
and that was going to be made by Armaguerra. And war pressures, the outbreak of World War Two, prevented
that from happening. Only a small number of those were made. And by the way, I have a video on that.
So if you're interested, check it out. The M38 was then going to be the secondary
bolt action rifle to support the semi-auto. The idea being we don't want to have to pay
to make, you know, a million semi-auto rifles so we can give one to every currently serving
soldier, and also have this big reserve stockpile. Our big reserve stockpile will be these guys. So in a rather forward-looking
recognition of the realities of combat, one of the big changes they
made was to replace the rear sight. They took that whole fancy adjustable 2,000 metre,
or even 1,500 metre on the carbines, rear sight, threw it away and replaced it
with a fixed 200 yard notch. Not because their soldiers couldn't shoot, but
because they recognised that in actual combat virtually nobody was ever taking
shots at over about 300 metres. So why are we spending all the time and money to
put this fancy 2,000 metre rear sight on the rifle? 98% of what we need is done with this. It's simpler,
there's nothing to break, there's nothing to go wrong. Nobody's going to accidentally set
their sights wrong and then miss. So they did that. They gave it a bent down bolt handle
like the carbines. They gave it, oh, you can't see it there, they gave it a side mounted sling set up. In many ways that changes they made,
... the features that they chose for this, are kind of analogous to what
the Germans did with the Kar98K. They gave it a much shorter barrel than the original rifles. It's just a little bit longer than the carbines
at just over 21 inches, 536mm I believe. They gave it a really cool folding bayonet,
which we'll take a look at in a moment. And then they kept all of the basic mechanics.
So the bolt is identical to ... all of the other Carcanos. The magazine is identical, the action, the receiver, the whole rear end of the stock,
all that stuff is exactly the same. Both for training familiarity, and so that they didn't have to
retool anything and they could easily convert existing guns. By 1938 this project was all set and good
to go, and they started making 7.35 guns. So let's take a look at this thing up close. Alright, like I said, the mechanics are
the same. This is a basic Carcano action. Identical really to everything going
back to the original long rifles. Our changes are mostly in here,
so let's take a look at this up close. We now have a simple fixed rear notch sight.
Nothing you can change, nothing to go wrong. And it is marked with the calibre of the rifle.
Because they were transitioning to a new cartridge they wanted to make sure people were
able to keep the cartridge straight. And I'll touch on this in a few minutes, but they
would also eventually make these guns in 6.5, and so on a 6.5 example it says "Cal 6.5" up there. They also changed the profile
of the barrel shank here. Instead of having flat facets where they put on
markings, it's now just turned round or conical. However, the basic marking scheme remains
the same. We have our serial number here. We have our manufacturer, this is Terni. And then we have the date of production.
Which on this one is upside-down and is 1939. The XVII is the Roman numeral 17, because
1939 is the 17th year of the Fascist Era in Italy. After Mussolini came to power they started
marking dates in both manners on the rifles. In a further effort to make sure people
didn't mix up the two different cartridges they also marked the 7.35
calibre guns on the stocks. This one's a little worn down,
but you can still see it there pretty clearly. One thing I do want to point out, most of the [M38s]
in 7.35 in the United States came by way of Finland. In the ... early summer of 1940 Italy would
supply almost 95,000 of these rifles to Finland. And the Finns marked them
with an "SA" in a box right here. So this one ... having come by way of Ethiopia
through Inter Ordnance, is kind of cool in that it's fairly scarce in the US to have
M38s in 7.35 that are not Finnish guns. Anyway, moving along. We have a
little trapdoor in the butt plate here. There was no longer a cleaning rod stored under
the barrel. Instead you got a three-part cleaning rod, ... three segments that would screw together,
that fit in a little hole under this trapdoor. Unfortunately, I don't have an
example of the rod to show you. We have a finger groove that was
added to the stock, a little surprisingly, none of the Carcanos before this had that feature.
It was there ... for actual ease of handling. And it also actually makes a convenient way for troops
to identify 7.35 calibre guns. Kind of like the AK-74. We have an upper handguard with a barrel band and front
sling swivel. Note these swivels of course are on the side, because carrying the gun across your back is really
more convenient for most people than over the shoulder. And then we have a bunch of hardware out here.
So a nose cap with a traditional style of bayonet lug. Front sight. And you'll notice there is a cutout, kind of
like the M91 Moschettos, for a folded bayonet blade. Well, since they were redesigning the whole rifle
with this new concept of simple and efficient, and only do what you really need,
they did the same thing to the bayonet. So the new M38 pattern bayonets were
substantially shorter than the early M91s. Really more of sort of a utility fighting knife style
of thing than the old school sword bayonet idea. And in order to make this thing handy,
they actually made it a folding bayonet. So I have a button here that allows me to fold the blade
forward. I can then rotate it around, snap it back into place. And now the bayonet is, well, it's in the folded
position and I can snap it onto the rifle just like so. And I can carry it there without the rifle actually being any
longer, without risk of accidentally poking people in the eye. And then when I need to use it I simply
push the button, pull the blade back, snap it out like that. Now they did also issue them with scabbards,
so you could carry this thing on your belt as well. But the idea was it's a little more
convenient to carry it out here. In fact on the early pattern of
bayonets which we have here, they even changed up the idea of how to operate
the bayonet lug, giving it a side latch, right there. Now this actually didn't work very well, it wasn't reliable,
and it would come flying off the rifle periodically. So they had a second type that was much more prevalent, where they got rid of this lever thing and gave it a traditional button back here. They would eventually then develop a third pattern
where they realised the whole folding thing was really kind of a waste of effort. And they used
basically the same material, the same components, but they just fixed the blade in the extended position
and got rid of the hardware that allowed you to fold it. So three main patterns. There was, I believe,
a fourth one that was the fixed blade version but made from scratch as a fixed blade.
Not a conversion of a folding design. So this was the standard M38 bayonet. We should talk briefly about the 7.35 cartridge.
It used the exact same clips. So we got a steel one, which was more common. We got some
brass ones here that were a little less common but also used. This is more of a spitzer bullet, where the 6.5
was always a pretty seriously round-nosed affair. This was designed to keep as much in
common as possible with the original 6.5. So the case head is identical, the bolt face of the
... rifles in the two different cartridges are identical. The clips are identical. The magazines are identical. They really did as little as possible, as little as
they really needed to, in changing the cartridge. Just to give it actually a lighter-weight bullet, but larger
in diameter, which they figured would be more effective. And moving at a higher muzzle velocity, so about
200 feet per second faster than the original 6.5, because this is actually a lighter bullet.
So the 6.5 was 162 grain, the 7.35 was a 125 grain. ... 1938 didn't give them very much time to re-equip
the entire Italian Army with Model 38s in 7.35 calibre. In fact didn't give them hardly any time at all.
And by 1940 they had already realised that, "Oh boy, this was a mistake.
Like I immediately regret this decision." The problem was logistically they
are now at war, at World War, and trying to supply two different cartridges to two
different rifles that kind of look the exact same. Especially when you consider not
just the Fucile Cortos, the Model 38s, but the conversions that they were making of the
Moschetto and the TS, the Truppe Speciali Moschettos, the carbines, they're converting those
carbines to 7.35 at the same time. And so you've got some guys have them
in 7.35, some guys have them in 6.5. You don't want to mix up the ammo because that could be
dangerous ... at worst, and at best case it just doesn't work. Make sure the right ammo goes to the right units, in addition to like the right ammo going to the right guy, because
sometimes you even had mixed ... rifles within a single unit. And ... even if you got all that straight now,
well, you've got machine guns also to deal with. Are we changing ... the calibre of our heavy machine
guns? Are we making only new 7.35 machine guns? It was a disaster. By 1940 they cut off the 7.35. They said,
"Forget it. We're going back to 6.5 for the duration of the war." And so they actually stopped making M38s
in 7.35 and just started making them in 6.5. And they did the same thing with the other patterns,
with the Moschettos, both patterns of Moschettos. And they would eventually actually make another sort of long
rifle, the Model 41, in 6.5. But that's a subject for a separate video. So what we end up with are 6.5 and 7.35 versions of basically
every Italian rifle that was part of the Model 38 program. The Italians would continue to use these
guns through the end of World War Two. And then in fact they continued to use them
in some roles through the 1960s and '70s. Mostly reserve stuff and that sort of thing. But I believe, I will argue that,
the changes made to the Model 38, the short-range fixed sight, the short barrel, the side mounted sling attachments, the bent bolt. Just the very handy nature of this rifle, I think make it
a real contender for the best bolt action rifle of the war. It has a quick to load 6 round capacity. In either calibre it is lighter shooting than the cartridges
that spurred the Italians to develop 7.35 in the first place. It's a much more pleasant gun. 6.5 especially is a very
pleasant thing to shoot out of one of these short rifles. Yeah, to my mind like I'd much rather have one of these than an 8mm Mauser that's bigger,
heavier, kicks more and holds less ammo. So, a controversial opinion perhaps, but there it is. So a big thanks to Inter Ordnance for
providing this rifle for me to show to you guys. They have a whole bunch
of cool stuff on their website, not just a huge variety of Carcanos,
but a whole bunch of other cool stuff. All of these rifles came out of Ethiopia and there are
some great stories behind them, so check those out. And thanks for watching. [ sub by sk cn2 ]
Same rifle used to kill JFK
No, that would be Enfield #4 mk1
1963 Gun of the Year edition.
Answer: No!
Type 38 says otherwise.
I have one of these. Except it's a last ditch conversion to 8mm mauser for the Volkstrum. Found it in the attic of my Great Uncle's house after he died. He had been in the battle of the bulge and army of occupation in germany after the war.
Ironic that Ian uses this clickbait title, and says hed rather use it over a K98k, when he and Karl literally tried this several years ago at 2Gun and the carcano was vastly worse.
Not a fan of the direction content has been going as of late.