Luke Russert on his dad Tim: "I never feel that he's totally gone"

Luke I loved reading your book before we really get into the nitty-gritty of it I'm curious even though it's not a particularly original question but why did you decide to write it and why now so I left NBC in 2016 and I came to a point in my life where I was conscientious of time left on the clock and the reason why is I lost one of my good friends at age when he was 27 and then my father passed at 58 and I felt at some point these feelings of is this really all there is for me I saw a lot of friends settling down getting married getting mortgages starting their own families and there was a voice in my head of around turning 30 oh my gosh this this might be it this might be what you're about and what you're going to do and so I decided uh with a little nudge from house Speaker John Boehner which was completely unprompted that the voice in my head saying maybe there's something else in life apart from this preservation of Legacy that you've been living chasing your father's a legacy that you've been living putting up the space in Washington where you're from and where you grew up and maybe there's something else out there and I didn't know what that was but I knew I wanted to try it and find it so I started to travel and six months turned into a year and then another year and then about three years and I realized that I had amassed all these journals where I had written about different thoughts and feelings and experiences and I went back and I reviewed them so I thought maybe I should do something with this and when I read then it became evidently clear that I was simultaneously looking for something but then also running away from something and when those two paths came together it was when I started to read these journals and I went in there I said I think this might be helpful to people because I'm a son who misses his dad who's processing that grief in their own unique way I'm also somebody who's trying to understand this new relationship with Mom that happened after my father passed away and then the need for a reset in life thinking that even though this path is right there before me I've had some success had it and I enjoy it but it's not fulfilling me why is that so I thought there were some Universal truths that I had come across when I reviewed the journals that might be helpful to people uh and also I think for me cathartic to get out and that's really what I wanted to do is help people feel a little less lost because by writing the book I became less lost myself and also being less afraid to admit they're lost absolutely and I think that's one of the things which is so difficult especially for men in our society is getting to that space of vulnerability I know you've talked about that before in your show but there's something about admitting that you know what I'm not feeling what I'm doing is best for me at this moment even though Society may say that it is even though your friends might say that it is even though your family might say that it is the importance of taking a moment and say is this what I really want and do I feel whole and do I feel comfortable and do I feel okay I realized I've been white knuckling a lot in life and I had basically gone with the idea of well you got to do it it's your duty you're supposed to do it just do it go go ahead suck it up it's only an hour it's only a day it's only a week it's only a month it's only a year Etc uh but that wears on you and at some point those feelings become very heavy and I realized that I needed to step away to to process them I didn't know how so I just hit the road but it ended up working out well the book is called look for me there grieving my father finding myself let's talk about grieving your father because it was clear to me from reading your book you didn't really have time to process his death I know you were in Florence with your mom Maureen who I love to and your girlfriend at the time and you got the news how hard was it for you to relive those moments of just pure shock and despair learning that your dad had collapsed I think when he was doing a you know when he was tracking at the MVC news Bureau in Washington and had died it was oddly cathartic and the reason why is I had never really sat down and processed that for years after I never went back to that day I didn't want to relive that day uh there was so much pain in anguish but when I sat down in San Francisco at my grandmother's old kitchen table and I started to write it out it was a feeling of okay this was awful this was the worst day of your life but you made it through and there's something to be said about that you Rose to the occasion be proud of yourself for that moment but it also provided an outlet of oh my gosh that was so difficult for Mom that was so difficult for you but you just threw yourself into the next thing which was writing the eulogy at uh for the funeral going into working at NBC trying to sort of fill the void with hard work and not really experiencing a a ability to think about why that happened and what effect will it really have on me not only today tomorrow the next week's but years out and I wish I had been more reflective at the time but you're 22 years old and you just think I'm going to keep on chugging and I'll be okay and and I'll figure this out later and just focus on what's next but writing it put me in the space where I could sit in those feelings and process process them at my own pace uh and eventually reach reach a point of a relative peace and and going back with those details about what happened in Florence was I I remember the level of just Grim reality and when it sort of set in and I was fortunate that in my case you know some people they're told of death's gonna happen or death happened and and they immediately go into a sort of sense of shock and it's not real it's not real it'll be over something will change it's not going to happen to me but yeah because my father was such a force of Nature and was such a hard-working guy as soon as uh the voice on the end of the line said he fainted I just meant I just he never fainted he was just too big and strong of a guy and so that I think was a little bit of a saving grace that I had accepted that he was gone the harder part was accepting that how was I going to deal with that you know Tim your dad meant the world to me I think he is largely responsible for whatever success I've enjoyed on a professional level he saw something in me and plucked me from local news in Washington D.C I think he meant a lot to the country I often wonder wwts what would Tim say or what would Tim do with the state of our country and we can talk about that more in a little bit but I wonder if you could share for me and for everyone watching what Tim Russert was like as a dad because you brought him back to life for me you know when you talked about him at the baseball game or you talked about him buying you the truck or you talked about him going over and fixing your sound system at your new apartment you know um I I it was so moving for me because I felt like I got to spend a little time with Tim once again and you know of course we were colleagues but I do miss him terribly and tell us about Tim as a dad and really where the title comes from so I'll start with the title the title was something that you know the pressure the Publishers put on use to come up with a good title and I was sitting with a legal pad my dad always used to write on legal pads and I do the same thing just write things out write things out write things out and I realized I was looking for something searching for something and then it just clicked because he used to always say look for me there when he would pick me up from a concert or a baseball game or if I was supposed to meet him somewhere in the previous cell phone era and where it really clicked is there's a little coffee shop in National Airport here in Washington where he used to pick me up when I would come home from college and he used to always stay in the line all right look for me there look for me there look for me there and that coffee shop is still there and I can't walk by it at the airport without tearing up I swear I see him there I see him a little bit of a slouch see him with the twinkle in the smile and I realized when those words came to me that was that was him the fact that I thought about that and and it was ingrained so much in my mind so that's where the title came from as far as my father as as Dad and not Tim Rutherford moderator Meet the Press I realized at a young age that he had a different type of job than the other dance other kids didn't turn on a little box and see their dad on his screen talking and I remember as a young kid we would walk by a table in a restaurant or we would walk on the street and it's like oh that's a tip roster that's Tim roster that's Tim buster I remember a friend of mine took me out we went with his dad to a game and no one was whispering their dad's name I was like why is that that's a little strange and then I put it together so I always realized that he had an outward facing persona but what he put out to the public was really honestly Woody was like I mean he was a very happy-go-lucky optimistic guy he was incredibly loving and and and just an incredibly engaging and thoughtful dad with me he wasn't on his phone the entire time when he was with me he wasn't distracted when he was with me and if he had to take a phone call the White House called he said I'm so sorry I have to take this I will make it up to you and he always did he always did so and and as I aged him in college he just became such a it's moving into that more sort of best friend and mentor and uh when he passed it was just such a void for me that was just so difficult to fill for many years for many years and that's because of how close we were do remember when my late husband came over and do and I Do by the Bell you must have been like eight years old Luke when Jake I remember so you know God loved Jay we miss him and I that is a memory that is instilled in my mind and the reason why is we had just gotten that house uh in in Cleveland Park in Washington DC and you came over and you and Jake Miller were showing you the roof there's a roof deck up there and the stairwell was a little bit vertical and narrow and I was running up I was like hey Katie hey Jay come check out the roof I want to show you I want to show you and I kind of was running so quickly that I was almost falling forward and he grabbed me by the back of the belt no one had ever done that to me before that's why I remembered it so well and he grabbed me by the back of the belt and spun me around like a merry-go-round and I always remembered that and and sadly when he passed I said that to my dad I go oh my gosh I remember when he picked me up by my belt and spun me around like a merry-go-round and just uh just the sweetest guy sweetest guy another thing that I really appreciated experiencing again because I think we were all honestly Luke in a State of Shock was when you gave the eulogy at your dad's funeral I actually remember talking to Joe Biden outside the church back in the day I mean it was a who's who of the political world because I think no matter where you were what side of the aisle you were on everybody respected your dad and that's actually something that sadly I don't think really exists anymore in our current political climate but I remember you giving the eulogy and I do remember a big rainbow everyone looked outside and it was beautiful and vibrant thank you for reminding me of that you're so welcome the ueg was something that I did entirely myself and I still to this day don't know where that strength and composure came from and I went to the apartment uh that my father had been in the day he died that was he was setting up the Wi-Fi and cable system for me and I put my college laptop down on this sort of kitchenette little counter that was there with a stool and just tried to find the words and I realized that in his book Big Russ and me had an entire chapter about loss and so I went out and I got the book and I read that chapter and suddenly things just started to flow and things made more sense I realized that I had an opportunity to sort of say my father's last words to some degree what he would want to impart on people and that was the theme that I I went on and at the church with all those dignitaries there you mentioned about you know sort of the who's who one of the things that we we did purposely is we sat Barack Obama and John McKay next to each other because we knew that was what my father would want for a healthy democracy and they were very cordial to one another I don't think that would ever happen these days the two leading contenders see next to each other in a church pew I don't know I feel like Don McCain was was such a a big man I don't know I feel I feel like John McCain would have done that I don't know yeah but so we did that in uh I remember looking out in in seeing those faces and I knew oh gosh this is daunting and then I looked behind and I saw my friends from high school and college and they just gave me the strength there and I knew I had to look at them to get through and the the rainbow you referenced was after uh the Kennedy Center uh reception honors oh right reception there and one of the things they had asked us was can you play some of your dad's favorite music can you give us some of your dad's favorite music you want to play it uh while people were processing and processing in and out and we said sure and one of those songs was over the rainbow and that was the song that we played when everybody was leaving that event and as people leave the event song Somewhere Over the Rainbow a friend of mine because you gotta look outside and I mean I took up to this day thinking about that just this beautiful vibrant rainbow that left everybody Spellbound uh and me included and that was a moment in the in the immediate aftermath that I really held on to for a long time being like that was Dad saying hi you know we're gonna be okay we're gonna be okay and on my travels I always would seek out the rainbows I mean you brought that back to life for me which was so wonderful you know almost right after your dad died you were enlisted to work at NBC News you were covering the youth vote you were doing all kinds of things and that was a fraught situation wasn't it I mean we hear a lot about nepo baby babies now Luke and I feel like I don't think you were the OG of nepo babies but looking back on it I think that's must have been a little how you felt so you you know you're so young you're dealing with the shocking loss of your dad out of the blue and then you're suddenly thrust into this really high pressure job with a big Spotlight and a lot of people had opinions about it um oh you know it was it was a blessing in a way but a real curse as well um looking back on it do you think you should have taken that job it's a very good question and as I write about in the book I went back and forth many times and I think at the moment I was very much a believer in there is a reason why this happened and this is an incredible opportunity it would be foolish not to take it and at least explore it and that's what I really did with the they they were saying oh we'll sign you up for multiple years and I said no no I just want one year because I want to see what this is about I want to see if I'm any good at it um so at the time that was my thinking I think if I could go back and talk to 22 year old Luke I would say think long and hard about this decision because you may be underestimating the level of negativity is going to be thrown your way especially on this emerging platform called social media which allows you to read all the unflattering things about yourself in real time consistently yeah right and I think that was really hard for somebody who was young and who had just lost their father on the other hand it was an incredible opportunity it was one that I felt would to some degree would be silly to pass up and sort of take a you know my life was a little bit I wouldn't go as far as in shambles but my previous plans had been completely broken up so give it a whirl I was really upset when they put you on the air Luke I'm just being honest and it's sort of a funny platform but I thought it was a very cynical move by NBC it really upset me I thought you were too young you had no experience you had never worked in local news and I often thought what would Tim be telling Luke and I almost reached out to you and I think Tim would have said I think your dad would have said if I can be so bold he would have said Luke you gotta work your way up to that job go work at the Baltimore Sun cover the state legislature go work on Capitol Hill like as a assistant press secretary for someone learned the ropes and and and earn it and yeah I think I think that's what your dad would have told you Luke perhaps it's a fair it's a fair point I think I go back to the time about how things were changing so rapidly with social media and how blogs and the internet were rapidly changing the game so the usual Pathways were becoming significantly different uh I think if looking back at that time maybe it would have been better to do one of those things like the emerging Politico is doing right right logs that that would have been less outward facing but still getting that type of experience but things happen for a reason and ultimately it it I came out of it okay but those were some difficult days I won't deny that and I think for me was it was sort of coming to grips with that which is do I actually enjoy this is this how I want to be defined is this actually who I am there was certainly a moment where the talent would show itself but then there are also times where you have to go through the growing pains like you mentioned in your book right you you'll get a a story wrong or the source you thought that was there was actually not as good as as advertised even though the higher up signed off on it yeah the stops with you and I think those were difficult lessons to learn at a young age uh but I got to a place where I was a fast learner and comfortable enough and and felt that I was of service and that was the my mentality through all of it so long as I'm of service and I'm doing something to help out the the news organization then it's worth then it's worthwhile for me why did you decide you know what I gotta do something else I think it was a combination of things it was turning 30 which I thought was very old back then oh now I would say he's not uh but then it was a sort of oh gosh the light at the end of the tunnel seems brighter because I'm turning 30. my friends are settling down they're getting married they're having children getting mortgages seeing my father pass at 58 and going oh do I only have 28 more years left my grandfather my mom's diet dad died at 58 as well so that number is very much ingrained in in my psyche and I almost stare at it every single day uh I lost a friend at age 27 and he was a Corey he was just one of my closest friends who I spoke to all the time and those events my losing my father losing Corey seeing people settle down it awakened the spirit inside me that's asked is this really all you want to do you've gone through the gauntlet that we've talked about I had come out of the gauntlet and had a pretty bright future ahead of me if I wanted to keep engaging and keep grinding in doing the work but I came to the realization once I had had that success and didn't hear the Mountaintop is this really it is this really what I want am I fulfilled and the answer was no I wasn't at that time and John Boehner out of nowhere the house speaker at the time called me into his office I thought he was upset about some coverage and asked that question of what are you doing here no one had ever said that to me before nobody had ever said that to me before what are you doing here and I said well you called me to your office what do you you know what I'm here he said no no what are you doing here he goes this is the center of the world I get it it's exciting it's Capitol Hill you get popes and prime ministers and presidents and everybody comes to these doors but ultimately you gotta learn that there's a world outside of Washington you got to learn that there is another way of life and a way of living that this is not the end-all be-all go out and do something else this will always be here go try to figure out who you are independent of Washington independent of of the capital and then independence independent on my dad and so I thought it was a it was a kind of a paternalistic thing for Boehner to say he had a very similar upbringing to my father growing up in a working class Catholic Community in the Rust Belt uh you know on scholarship but for everything that he did and worked as a janitor to pay for school as well so his words resonated with me because I saw that as okay here's somebody who had to oil and snare for every single thing he ever got and here he is at the top saying you know it's not all it's uh all it's said to be go go look elsewhere and if you want to come back but it might serve you well and so it was a a Confluence of those events and they were in my mind already and then Boehner and they would sort of hit me and got me on that road out and the book you write I'm traveling for myself having always been on a trajectory that was never my own I finally feel in Maine a little bit free the weight of my past the grief of my father's death the shackles of DC society and the news of inescapable technology cannot reach me Maine is verdant heaven so tell us a little bit about your travels you've been to over 65 countries you write about just a handful of them Bolivia Japan Nepal Vietnam Paraguay Rwanda um you know now that you did this for three years and you did see the world as John Boehner I think very sweetly advised that's I mean really wonderful that he took an interest in you um what did you learn about the world and more importantly about yourself well the first thing was we mentioned Maine which was that was the first solo trip I had ever done in my life 31 years old and I had never traveled by myself for a long period of time I had done work trips or whatnot but that felt radical which is kind of odd saying now but it did and what I felt in that moment in the truck that my father had given me with my dog my late pug Chamberlain was this feeling of Freedom I'm untethered and I need to be untethered but I also in that Forest where there was no cell phone reception where I'm just driving along man Trucking dog very John Steinbeck Travels With Charlie yeah yeah but in that moment I began to start listening to those voices in my head that I had ignored for a long time and it was clear that I was searching for something but ironically simultaneously I was also kind of out running trying to outrun something and that is where it started in Maine and then that would take this deeply internal Journey would happen over many different external places and when I was traveling the world a lot of that in the beginning was influenced by my mother my mother was a Peace Corps volunteer in her early 20s which at that time for women was really the only way to travel abroad by herself when she graduated from college the opportunities available to her would really be a school teacher or be a paralegal and anything other than that was really difficult and would take a lot of work so she instilled this idea in my head that to really measure yourself against the world you have to see the world you lived a very sheltered protected life go out and see what you're made of almost as a challenge for Mom if you will my father was risk adverse my mother adventurous I had lived a more risk adverse life to that point so my mom pushes me and we do a little bit of traveling together in Latin America and I have this moment that I've mentioned in the book where I'm going to Bolivia and I don't have the right visa and I'm a little afraid about that it's also 14 000 beat up I have sleep apneas which is a terrible thing to have in high altitudes difficult to breathe and my mom basically says go and I go I don't know she says go so here you have a mom telling their only son go to the place where your medical condition is going to be worse because you need to be able to do it and tell yourself that you are strong enough and measure yourself up against that type of opposition measure yourself about those uncomfortable feelings and I did that and it was so eye-opening and I wanted to take that feeling that I had in Bolivia and apply it in other places sort of how will I do here picking up you know a hitchhiker in the middle of New Zealand and talking to them how are you in Africa in Senegal and reliving the pain of slavery and trying to understand that in Vietnam where the American experience that my parents had is so much tied to that country uh Hiroshima and the atomic bomb and what that meant so I was having these moments where I would pick up little bits from each of these diverse array of cultures and try to bring them Inward and process them and measure myself against them and in that in that journey I came to this sort of realization of all right well you've out there you've seen a lot you learned a lot you're such a better person for it you got out of Washington you've got out of that very small bubble that you were in for so long but what are you searching for and what are you out running and I eventually came to the realization it was I never really fully processed the grief of losing my father and I had been putting that off for a long time and it wasn't until I started writing out the journals that I came to that conclusion and got some clarity in the Holy Land in 2019 which I'm so grateful for I realized you don't have to have all these moments of pain you don't have to feel the disgrace and living it so much your dad loves you your dad is here for you you don't have to look for him he's with you he loves you he's proud of you no matter what you do hold that you don't have to do Legacy Management you don't have to do anything you don't want to do you are good the way you are just a little bit decent honest uh and loving life and he's there for you he's on your side and you would have thought that it would have happened years earlier but it didn't it took me all that travel and all that time of self-reflection to get to that place and that place of peace is just it's I'm so thankful for it I was thinking look for me there turned into look for me everywhere in a way it's a good way of putting it right and you know I say that I'm a work in progress I think we all are but to have some uh Clarity um in in that part of my life it's just been so rewarding I don't want to say it's ever closure because as you know when you deal with grief there's always a wound there but I've gotten to a place where I'm much more at peace and through I think acceptance comes peace and that's been the ultimate reward of all the travel and the journey I've been on what do you think your experiences can teach other people about dealing with loss Luke you know given everything that you've been through and people deal with loss every single day and it's the hardest thing in the world I think lost is even scarier than death in some ways especially for young people uh yeah I've been so fortunate that once I announced the book is was coming out I've gotten a lot of messages um from people talking about losing their parent or losing a sibling and it's not something that's easy to talk about because look people do the best they can they do the perfunctory I'm praying for you is there anything I can do let me know like here's some food Etc and that's all wonderful and that's all nice but ultimately when you are sitting in grief it's a very personal lonely uh experience because you yourself have to deal with it you can lean on others and you lean on people in your family you lean on close friends and people can help out but at some point you individually have to process it and I tell people that you may not ever accept it that's a gift but you can learn to live with it and hone in on what gets you through and so for me with my father it would it would get into this meditative space where try to close my eyes I think of his voice I think of what he would say and by doing that I never feel that he's totally gone and that worked for me I think for other people they throw themselves into work they throw themselves into Faith they throw themselves into their own families some people throw themselves in devices some people throw themselves into uh radical shifts in in in in in their life experience Etc there's no right way there's no Universal way because if there was we'd all do it right but for me it was accepting that he was gone and growing comfortable enough with it that I could talk to him in my own way and that's how I would lean on him that the void wasn't as bad as it was before because he was there I just had to listen I just had to be aware and I wasn't for many years because I never I was afraid to get to that space because it's hard very hard I also think acknowledging that your dad would want you to live a full happy life Yeah by doing that honestly I feel like you're honoring him Thomas Jefferson has this quote that I don't really even think has to do with death or loss but if the Earth belongs to the living yeah and that's something my mom says a lot and we're all going to end up in the same place it's what you do with the time you have um and I think your dad very much lived that way and would want that to be something that he has passed on to you I have to ask you about the current state of politics in this country because I do think about all the time I wonder how he would handle uh Donald Trump how he would handle you know this era of so-called truth Decay or post-factual world the bifurcation of news between ideologies and what do you think he he would think and and what do you think he would do it's interesting you asked about Donald Trump because my father interviewed him in 1999 when he was thinking about running on the Reform Party ticket for president and Trump had always entertained this idea of running for president one of the things my dad did would do is he would seek out those types of interviews for people that would say I could be president okay well let's let's have a conversation about it and what he lived by as you know the code was if you can't answer difficult questions how are you going to make difficult decisions and one of the things that he would do by trying to pin down politicians or people that had the aspirations of leading millions of people was say you need to have a real serious honest discussion in a fair form in a fair fight you cannot go live in your own Echo chamber you can't have some pre-selected person you gotta go against the best and my father truly believed that he would get in the ring with somebody and he was going to give them every single thing that he had because he believed that the questions he was asking was on behalf of the American people it was a legion hall in South Buffalo it was the waitress in Colorado it was the guy working in the fields in in South Texas he believed that he was speaking for them and what he would do especially if you look at the interview back with Donald Trump was focus in on policy what would you do to prevent North Korea from enriching more uranium and getting a larger nuclear Arsenal what would you do specifically with immigration what would you do with Health Care focusing on the policy and then also preparing to such a degree that when a politician would try to spin or try to run out the clock go okay you just had a verbal diarrhea of platitudes that in no way answered the question what would you do specifically I think that is very important because when you focus in on the policy the general public goes oh gosh this person who I might like personally or my dislike person they're really either prepared or unprepared and then the way my dad would ask questions about personal issues was would this have a negative impact on your ability to do the job which is very fair because if you're running for president or you're running for elected office you are and you you're the trust has been placed in You by millions of people hundreds of thousands of people millions of people right is there anything that could not allow you to do the job that you're allowed to do which is something that I think is not bombastic so doing that asking those questions and then doing it in a civil way is something that I think he did very well that he would say get back to that because when you're out there in your editorializing and you're screaming and yelling and things are done for clicks and there's click bait et cetera you're not working on behalf of the American people you're working on behalf of yourself you're pushing your persona you're pushing the individual brand and the world you know it's more about asking difficult questions and getting specificity out of people who want to leave because ultimately with policy makers are they're leaders and to be a leader you got to be made of something you got to be you know honest and honest enough in closing what are you going to do now obviously you're talking to people like me about your book and what's ahead for you Luke after this when I was sitting in the broom closet of an office in Capitol Hill for NBC sometimes I would look out in the small little window we had and say you know maybe I'd like to be a park ranger or something just get all away from this and do something radically different well I entertained those thoughts for the last few years and I've I've settled in that I think I like storytelling uh writing this book was a labor of love for me it was difficult but the finished product gave me such a sense of fulfillment and I enjoyed storytelling when I was at NBC I liked doing a long form I did a date line which I really enjoyed uh I like being on your podcast me podcastings in the future but I think something in that storytelling space would give me a real sense of fulfillment but I want to see how this book lands and also take some time and not rush into anything I mean that's one thing that I've learned in my media careers take the time to make the best decision for yourself uh and and don't fall when you know don't fall victim to a shiny object or uh what you sh people think you should be doing mix that desire and Duty uh and have a healthy balance I think that you can say Coulda Woulda Shoulda but you can also say wow that was an incredible experience yeah no it was and I'm very grateful for that experience and I'm I'm and there's so many wonderful people there and who I love very much to this day and I have nothing but love for the peacock and I think for me it's yeah I agree you you do have those moments for reflection of the Shoulda Woulda Coulda But ultimately decisions are made right and you go forward and you chart your own course but you're all the wiser for it for having those scars and those lived experiences and um work in progress but I uh I'm comfortable with with where I am especially as it pertains to Dad and I can't I I can't uh tell you how grateful I am for that because you know Katie you you know what that void feels like you know how that can just come up at any time and when you can have more of a grip on that and a handle on that uh it's it's liberating it really is well I'm so glad you're doing so well congratulations on the book Luke It's called look for me there grieving my father finding myself I hope you enjoy putting this out into the world it's scary because it's so deeply personal and you're basically feeling splayed and exposed um but I think it's it's a beautiful book I think you're a great writer I really enjoyed reading it and I really appreciate you talking to me today all about it and remembering your dad um and and remembering Tim for me so thank you well thank you so much Katie and thank you for always looking out for me you've always been very kind I deeply appreciate it and uh you have a nice honest way about you that I've always really liked which has done you well so keep at it it's great

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Published: Thu May 04 2023