Love's perfection

digging deeper and deeper into John's first book Wonders of spiritual unfoldment and John and I were just talking as we were preparing for this recording about um Christine who has been mentioned many times now in the previous recordings and John maybe you could share a little bit with us your search for true love how it connects to Christine and Howard connects to your experiences throughout life yes this event which started off with a particular woman called Christine has actually um affected my whole life and has never ceased okay you see what it really was this seeing both through and Beyond the physical form of a woman into what I dare to refer to as a realm of spirit a realm of the infiniter as compared as in contrast to the finite name and form of a particular woman with a woman this is really the spiritual life in a nutshell and particularly if those of us that follow the way of love now perhaps here I might just stop and just I've worked for a moment to point out that there are really three great ways of approaching God approaching spirit way of love the way of knowledge which is sometimes required to those who work with the heart or or the heart of the head some people are more headiered than others and the way of action which is of course very popular today and usually takes the form of of good works in the outer world um well I'm very much a man of devotion about who works with the heart um so so this realization that took place with Christine was but what was but the beginning of a lifelong process of which is by no means ended no a realization bringing into reality whatever it is we mean by perfect love 's perfection no I wonder how many people watching this video would claim to have found Love's perfection one might say something that isn't possible in this world and that may well be right because the the search doesn't end with this world it doesn't end with death it's it it it it uh continues out of this world very much so into the Heavenly world the spiritual world it has no end and here of course I talked about something that is of infinite words my capacity to sit here and talk about it and describe it as very finite so who am I I'm not worthy to uh touch the feet of of this subject but I I can only offer you my best from my what I have experienced in this life um so the the this what's contained in just these two chapters is actually continues throughout this book and all of my ten books throughout my entire life of course the original name and form is Branch out into include many other names and forms it is because uh although there are maybe millions of women in this world indeed once you start getting into spirit it's very questionable because how many spirits are there there's only one isn't there one spirit and those of you acquainted with the Bible will remember that there is in the Garden of Eden in Paradise in other words in the spiritual World there was one man called Adam and one woman called Eve but see how he's intended in this world there are millions of women who are all of different names or they are all all women in fact but as it were drops from the ocean of one woman called Eve one from one original um well I suggested something in something like that if not precisely now then let me just go back a little bit um here was I a matter of 47 I was I when this happened to me which he was I'm still a young man and then comparison to what I have now and suddenly confronted this realization of I'll go back to looking into someone's eyes and seeing into the infinite Beyond with what I saw as clear as Crystal not once but on many subsequent decisions so what was Christine was she a woman well undeniably but so much more where did that end yeah this is everyone well of course it is but not everybody has that Clarity of I most people's eyes are clouded saying don't see into them that easily you can sort of you know more or just convince yourself that the same lights in everybody but this you're just not always very clearly soon I'm often referred in uh in um in my videos to the way that I was brought up um it is certainly how the social attitudes towards um Love have changed dramatically in my lifetime there's throughout my 10 years of schooling from 7 to 18 which was in an exclusively boys school all the Masters were very almost no women available at all um and so I know ah our physical connection with women was was very what you might say undeveloped and the way I was first introduced to women was not through sex education at all as is now so common it was through what were called the Romantic Poets and sort of traditional stories of of nights or nights and ladies you know like from Medieval Nights with armor and and tournaments and jousting for ladies confined in a town you know threatened by a dragon and of course the night's job was to slay them is to deal with the dragon and free the lady and then they were happy ever after as well it seems Cuckoo Land doesn't it compared to today's attitudes but but men were very much at least I was very much brought up to respect and honor women as as someone as a see now men and women are sort of vying with each other each to sort of them women you know doing the same Sports and having the same careers and all this sort of thing and then rearing the children as much as women did but he wasn't at all like that you know when I was a child men were very much were expected to be men and women women and um and they were very clearly defined sort of norms of behavior which which uh which for most people's lives were operated in this way men were expected to be courteous respectful I certainly was to provide and protect the women of the family with and serve the femininity of the woman and in turn the woman who served the man it was a mutual service honorable service and it certainly was honorable it you didn't speak you didn't speak hardly of a woman and you know under the code of good behavior it was just not done um yes I'm telling you this because it may have predisposed me to when I looked at this Christine um that my sort of first Focus was not sexual um maybe maybe that was partly due to my upbringing maybe not I don't know I can't really tell you how knows who knows how these things happen what made me see through her into this infinite Beyond um but but seeing the magnitude of that woman the potential of of what she was I was filled with all a awe that sort of ore all this worship me I I wanted to kneel before her um of course only I was also a man and that doesn't that's not that's still existent however high enough you know the the perception maybe hormones stuff you know at work and so I was also a man and desired her she was an attractive woman um well and so there were these two tensions very much at play in me um and I really emphasize this higher this way I was taught to to look at women in the highest rather than the lower sense in other words not so much sexual as honorable um because that raises the whole relationship of man woman to a one might say a small spiritual dimension they become spiritually complementary now what is the aim of these videos what is the aim of what I call the work it is this isn't it it is transcendent it is it is growing from the corrupt mortality of Flesh into the incorrupt immortality of spirit and I assure you my dear friends that there's nothing that is more Central to this process and the process of love now yes they're sexual knowledge no one would can argue with that but it is only the the basic the most basic beginnings of Love's potential and if too much attention is focused on there and 10 and tend to stay down there which all too often it does that is simply missing the point he's missing the he's missing the true potential which is the perfecting of what for most of our experiences probably imperfect and that's the point I really wanted to make to you and and you see romantic love tends to be rather laughed at these days but it is that sort of romantic poetic nourishment given to us in our early days what is in my school days that that nourishes that this higher higher well yes expectation is higher higher different things it was a more gentle words and expectation there is higher orientation the word is um this looking looking upwards and uh I'm sure I'm not the only man that's in my early experiences of who said I get a bit forgetful about it now but um I remember often being laughed at as a boy about wearing my heart and my sleeve being too romantic and you know not being um realistic about things and you know there are others of my my contemporaries would boast about their Conquest through women which of course would always meant sexual and always felt a bit sort of inadequate in that Realm and I was always sort of searching for what I was in my early 20s or did I know about perfection but I suppose so some sort of a deeper Instinct in me was always looking to the Stars somehow it's where I could look into the Stars right rather than the bed perhaps that was my approach to these things or I hoped for both really I'm not sure at all which my priority was and I think the people that always touched my heart most deeply led me to the Stars rather than the bed and I'm very thankful that they did really because because I feel now the end of my life unbelievably enriched by this by this by this ocean of lobster Perfection which seems so it seems to embrace me Evermore in my old age so that I go forth from this life loves ecstasy that love is just beginning in a sense now at my age as it opens up into well he's really the love of God you see I remember when I was told as a boy that God is love of course what's it mean then when you think of in love in terms of sex well what that got to do with God you know God is love but what is that is that sex oh well With God all things are possible probably it is but it's it's only a little little bit of it um by the way I also used to be told that God is a loving father well I had a father I'm sure he did love me but he was the sort of traditional Englishman who didn't show his emotions I don't he ever hugged me in my life really he just wasn't that sort of a man he never said he loved me that's what I don't think so I was always a bit frightened of him really when he said God was a loving father I wasn't too sure about that I think if he was like my dad he didn't think I wanted God so so he didn't really ring true to me will he spoke about God as my father that's been you you would more frightened of him um anyway um God is love I didn't make much of that either but now in my old age it just really seems the most obvious of all statements in fact it's the statement that that that over comes all other do you know I think on my deathbed it's the only thing I'll say the only words on my lips God is love that's the conclusion of my lifelong search my dear and see this experience with Christine which which took me through the flesh adorable though that was into this spiritual Realm was perhaps the the beginnings of this because my God these sort of great great realizations they don't happen overnight it's uh it's now on 40 years since that happened to me and I've been learning ever since through countless uh other experiences all of it somehow somehow in some way sort of fed into this this uh this uh dawning of a more perfect love which is not dependent on anything or can it be depend on anything which is Transit trip on well it's just dependent on nothing of course it's a absurd thing to say it was independent because that's the whole point it is not dependent on anything well I'm sorry that was a bit of a wild ramble I hope we were able to follow it we oh perhaps I could uh um um actually I thought just before we we move on further I thought I might read you just one of of uh many of the poems I wrote during this period um it's not the most powerful of them but maybe it will uh uh it will convey an impression of what I was dealing with at this time okay that's not oh deepest longing through a night of Harvest Moon romantic light where are you oh my love so dear to share with me this Moonlight clear ooh Moonlight love light Midnight Clear oh bring to me my darling near so strong My Wish so deep my prayers within the moon beams she appears no separate form within these beams appears but as the moon she seems the moon itself is named your name my loved one and the Moon the same as harvest rustlings Bend and blow my love becomes the wind also the words you speak no voice I hear but you empower the moonlit air as midst the moonlit clouds she saws my soul lifts up to dance with yours and there we loosen cast aside the mosques of being identified oh far beyond all fences free of mortal partiality as wisps of misting disappear dissolving into cloudless air so you and me whatever that be ascending through identity resolve into our substance pure and there you know it forevermore so merged and mingled two as one my prayers met the dance is done in moonlight love light soft and deep with you within my heart I sleep foreign

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Published: Thu Feb 09 2023