♪ country ♪ [Peter] So Steven, you choose to live
out here with the Amish and Mennonites? [Steven] I love it. -Why?
-They're my best friends. I've been around them my whole life and I just don't feel comfortable
without 'em to be honest with you. -Really?
-I love 'em. It's such a humbling place to live. They help you,
I mean they'll do anything for you. Like this here, this is Old Order Amish -Okay. -The Old Order started here in 2011, 2012. -Yeah. -And these Old Order Amish, when they first get started
and move to a place, they build these red buildings and they call them shops. -Okay. -They'll live in these shops
until they get started. Long enough to build a house,
the white houses. All their shops, all their barns are red,
all their houses are white. -So they're living here first
then they build their home? -Live in shops until they build houses.
-Interesting. Now, a lot of development going on here? -This is actually
a Swartzentruber harness shop. This is a Mennonite home here. -They're horse and buggy Mennonites,
not car Mennonites. -So it gets very confusing.
-Very. -Amish, Mennonites,
there are many different types of Amish, many types of Mennonites. But for example, the Swartzentruber
that we passed in the beginning there, they don't have electricity at home,
they will not have electricity at home. -None. -No cell phones?
-None. Even though some do, right? -Some every now and then, who knows.
-Every now and then, okay. That's their business. -The Mennonite are more liberal,
they're gonna have more technology? -They still don't have cell phones. -Mennonites don't?
-No. -I've seen some with them. -Our Mennonites here, no cell phones. They have land lines in their home. -Okay. -They do have electricity,
air conditioner. They have all that stuff
but no cell phones, no internet, no connection like that at all. -So it really depends
in what part of the country you're in where these rules apply? -Like Holmes County, Ohio
is different than here. -It's different in this county. If you're a member
of the Mennonite church here you abide by the way
they want their church to do. Now the Mennonite church five miles
from here, they're a different church. Then there's also
some people here called Charity. They're Charity Mennonites,
that's what we call them, but they drive cars
and have cell phones with no internet. Then there's also Holdeman Mennonites. There's so many types of Amish
and Mennonites right here in this county. [Peter] And for those of you
that have seen my videos, you'll know where we're at now. A good friend of Titus is Steven. -That's right. I knew him for along time, many years. -If it wasn't for Steven
I would have never met Titus. -So thank you, Steven.
-You're welcome. Where is he? Is he out and about? -He may be sleeping. [horn honks] -Because we hitchhiked
to Nashville yesterday. That was like an 18 hour mission. -It was a long mission.
-There and back. Steven picked us up
at the end and drove us back. -He's on the phone, who coulda guessed? -Let's go.
-[Steven giggles] [dog barks] [Titus] Hey. [laughs] [Peter] Hey. Titus, you get some good sleep? -I did. -[Peter] Office hours are closed?
-[both giggling] [Peter] What's unforgettable? -The whole trip. -Yesterday?
-Especially the last ride. Just coming in there, we still have sun, we still have enough time
to do what we need to do. It was like the icing on the cake
to come in there when we did. [Peter] We took seven rides
to Nashville, Steven. -Seven.
-Unreal. I was worried about it,
I didn't think you was gonna make it. -Nothing is impossible
with our father in heaven. [Steven] That's right. [Peter] So Titus, today’s video,
we're talking about non-Amish… Well, you're non-Amish. Non-Amish living next to Amish Mennonites. It works pretty well, right? -For me it's been a blessing. I had an Amish neighbor
that's since moved but he told me, "Titus…" I was just starting out. I didn't have much of
the farm machinery that I needed and I was always borrowing farm
machinery from him, and he was like, "Titus, if I'm gone and you need
to borrow something, go ahead." "If I'm not around
just hook to it and you take it." He's like, "If you're really
needing to get something done and you've gotta have some help,
tell my children to help you." He's like, "The only thing you can't
borrow when I'm not around is my wife. -That makes sense. -You followed the rules, right Titus? [all laughing] -And then also at one of my
Amish neighbors up the road here, his horse had died
and he needed a work horse to get some plowing done and things,
and he asked if he could borrow a horse from me, I was like, "Sure, go ahead." He took good care of my horse. Loaning your horse out is
kind of like loaning your vehicle out. I mean some people you would trust
to say, "Here's the keys." and other people you'd be like,
"No, I'm not…" They might blow it up
or they might get in trouble with the law then I could be liable but yeah,
he borrowed my work horse. My horse came back, just great shape. [Steven] I know one thing,
I would not give you the keys to my truck. [all laughing] -You think I would drive wild? -It would be bad. Well I mean just give me a chance, Steven. Let me prove… -Should we do a video,
Titus driving Steven's truck? -I don't think so, not today. [all laughing] -We're gonna go meet John Yoder,
the ex-Swartzentruber. -Oh, yeah. -At the slaughterhouse. -[Peter] Titus, see ya, buddy.
-[Steven] You know Johnny. -Is this it? I'm not gonna see you
until… well next time? [Steven] Unless you come by here
tomorrow and say hi. -You can come to my parent's this evening.
-Yeah. -[Peter] See you, Titus.
-[Titus] I'm glad you guys stopped in. [Peter] Titus! [Peter] God, Titus is so much fun
to hang out with. [Steven] He's wild. You know what, me and him
have been so many miles together. Like we've been
all over the country together. We went-- -Because he works for you sometimes? -He helps me--
-With horses? -If I'm taking a horse
to Oregon or something and my wife don't want to go 'cause
it's hard with the baby or something I can call Titus and say,
"Hey, you wanna go to Oregon?". [as Titus]
"Yes, when we leaving? Let's go!" He's ready, he loves it. -What's it like
traveling with Titus across country? -It's an adventure every mile. It's an adventure. You never know what's gonna happen. -Does he preach a lot
like when we were hitchhiking? -Every stop.
-At the gas stations? -Every stop. At the hotels. Wherever you stop he's out to preach. -It's hard not to smile
when you're with Titus. He comes across with such
good intention, he means well, great guy. -He went with me
to Rhode Island three weeks ago and he wanted to get out of the truck
in Middletown, New York and go on the Lord's
transportation system home. -Hitchhiking?
-Hitchhiking home. -From New York?
-From New York. -And I begged him,
"Titus you need to just come with me." I finally talked him into coming with me
to Youngstown, Ohio and then there was no other talking. He was getting out of that truck,
and he did. I left him on the side of I-80, bye-bye. -What else was I supposed to do?
-He hitched back? -He got home before me, really quick. -He hitched from Ohio to here? -Yeah, I had to go on to Ohio
and see some people there. That's why he wanted to go on,
was to be home before Sabbath. He beat me home. -Titus has probably
never missed a Sabbath, huh? -He won't miss one.
-Yeah. ♪ somber country ♪ -[Steven] Here's the Mennonite school.
-[Peter] Oh, wow. -They know you?
-Oh yeah, I know most of the kids by name. I'm around them,
you know, their moms and dads. And this here is a business owned by
some Charity Amish called Pallets Plus. [Peter] So when someone is making
a lot of money with their business here they're putting it into homes, what? -Homes, land for their children to live.
-Okay. -So they buy a lot of land? -And also they help the school system. And the way
the Mennonites and Amish work, like say me and you
are in a church together, say I have a heart attack,
I have a bad hospital bill, our church is gonna pay my hospital bill. -Yeah.
-That's the way they work. So I think if somebody's got a lot
of money they donate it to the church. -So I'm guessing they're not
putting money into the stock market-- -Oh no, I wouldn't say so. -…modern investment vehicles
of any sort? -They will invest
in other Mennonite companies. Like if a young man gets married
and he wants to start a company a lot of the elders will pull together
and invest to help him start that company. When the COVID refunds come,
everybody got refunds for COVID. The Amish, the mom and dad
would get their part, I forget exactly how much it was
but they got paid per child. -Remember?
-Yeah. -These people with 15 kids, 12 kids
got a lot of money. -Like how much do you think?
-Ten, twelve, $15,000. They wrote void across the checks
and sent 'em back or tore 'em up. They won't take
any kind of government assistance, any kind of money like that. -They'll never take welfare, EBT stuff?
-No, none whatsoever. -Mennonites the same?
-Same. [Steven] This here is
a Swartzentruber Amish sawmill. I know most of these guys too,
Dan Yoder owns this place. -Everyone's name is Yoder. -They moved here
from Holmes County, Ohio. Look at that big circle blade,
that's what cuts the logs. In this area, sawmilling
is a big, big thing to Swartzentrubers. This is their office
where they eat their lunch and stuff. -So everyone here gets an education
through eighth grade, correct? -That's it. Eighth grade, then go to work. -Wow, what are your thoughts on that? -I mean seems to work pretty good. A lot of them are really doing
really good for theirself, you know? I mean I'd say these Amish and Mennonites learn more through eighth grade than
most kids learn through public school. The distractions ain't there. They go to school and that's what they do. What's this, Steven? It's a Swartzentruber phone shack. They call it a shandy. Phone shandy. -Okay, so they make their calls in there?
-Yeah. -See the solar panels
to run the phone and stuff? -It's a land line? Cell phone? -Probably a black box,
like you know those new phones out today? They're from Verizon, they're
a little box, they call it a black box, and it's got a SIM card in it and it runs off cell towers but you
actually plug a home phone into it. -That's okay with the church? -I don't know. All I know is
they go there and use the phone. What I think is I think somebody else
owns this little piece of land and he put it there for them to use. That's what I think. -But I don't know 100%
-Interesting, okay. Steven, how do you say Swartzentruber
in Pennsyvanian Dutch? -Swatzendrover. -Huh?
-Swatzendrover. [both giggling] The Amish and Mennonite around here
know that if I'm around don't say too much
they don't want me to hear 'cause I can 'bout
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the way the crow flies thataway. -I mean I was raised right here.
-Okay. So even though it's not your culture,
it sort of is? -Kind of, yeah, I'm so used to it. -You know, I'm with them everyday.
-Yeah. -When I go home at night I talk to 10 or 15
Amish and Mennonites on the phone. That's my hobby, that's my friends. We talk to each other on the phone. I call my Amish friends in Ohio,
Indiana, Northern Kentucky, here. -Do you connect with them just because
they're living a simpler life? Just more traditional values? -I connect with them
because of the horse business. I love horses. And I connect with them
in a really strong way over horses. That's what got me in with them. -You sell draft horses,
which are the work horses. Which the Amish want, right? -That's right
but we don't really sell to Amish. You don't sell to Amish? -No.
-Why not? -'Cause they usually don't buy 'em
like people buy 'em from me. We're selling to carriage companies,
we're selling to businesses, people that don't really
have access to them easily. The Amish, these people have horses
they've raised for 20 years, you know? They breed their mares
and keep raising their own. They don't really have to buy them,
they raise their own. -They're super frugal too, right? -I've sold to them before. You don't make
a lot of money selling to them but if I got a friend,
I don't have to make a lot of money. If I've got a friend here
that needs a horse I'll give him a good deal
and just sell it to him because… You know, help the community. Last Saturday we had an auction,
I started it myself. It's a driving horse sale. All of the money goes to
the Casey County Mennonite school. All of it, it's a total non-profit. All the money goes to the school
to build a new school. We're gonna build a new school
for the Mennonites here… And all the Mennonites come here,
and help me, and we put it on, and it's growing every year,
it's doing great. [Peter] "Television destroys families." -Yeah. -They're not even onto the internet yet? -The Charity people, no. They use internet for business use only. Like he used to have a tire shop here. He probably had a computer
in that tire shop to order tires but what I've heard now,
I don't know if it's true. We can ask John out here
'cause he's in the Charity church. But I heard if they get on something
they're not supposed to be on, it reports to their bishop. A lot of people don't know this, there is an Amish publication
called Dabotshaft. I don't know what it means in Dutch
but it's called Dabotshaft. Every community in America
writes a newsletter every week. And it's like 100 pages,
and they mail it out every week to all the subscribers all over America. -So this is how the Amish Mennonites
are getting their news? -Like this community will write,
"So and so got married, we had this." -"We built John a new barn."
-Okay. It's that kind of news,
like news within their community. It goes to all Amish homes
in America that subscribe. They're out of Pennsylvania. There's also another really big one
called The Budget in Sugarcreek, Ohio. And they do a similar
type of newsletter for Amish. And of course Amish, when they
go to the doctor they'll watch the news. Like when the TV's running. You know, they sit and watch it,
they know what's going on. And English people coming into
their community here, they tell them. Like when COVID
was going on they'd come in, "Oh, you gotta wear a mask now." They hear what’s going on. -Hey, but ignorance is bliss in a way. When you're out here, why do you
want to take in the country's problems-- -That's right. -…or someone else's stress if you're
living in this tight-knit community? Like why do you want to know
how many murders were in Chicago, right? -What's the point of that?
-That's right. I'm not Amish or Mennonite
and I don't even want to know that. I don't pay attention to the news myself. I just hang out here, have fun. [chuckles] [Steven] Howdy, howdy, how are you? [man] Doing great. [Steven] Johnny Yoder here?
[man] I think he's here. -He sleeping still? -[Peter] How you doing sir?
-[man] Doing great, how 'bout y'all. -Doing well.
-Good. -If you'd come just an hour earlier,
there'd be quite a choice. [Peter] So is this
a Mennonite operation, Amish? -We're similar to both. From the same… Anabaptists, it's the same umbrella, same roots as the Amish and Mennonite, but don't necessarily go by either name. -Gotcha, but it all sort of
gets along out here, huh? -Oh yeah.
-Yeah. [Peter] John, so you were
a former Swartzentruber? -Yes.
-Okay, what are you now? New order Amish? -I'm not. We don't really have
a denomination that we go by. -Okay. Definitely sort of favor
the Mennonite lifestyle a lot. A lot of people just call us
Mennonites and that's fine. I'm not offended by it but we're not
affiliated with any kind of Mennonites. -Okay, so when did you leave
the Swartzentruber church? It'll be seven years next month I think. So that would be back
whatever seven years makes. -Was that a hard process?
-It was. It was very difficult. -Did you have to abandon
your family and friends and everything? -I didn't have to abandon them. They took fairly good care
of that to begin with. -Okay. -But it's part of their culture,
nothing against them. -So if you grew up in that culture… Like for example,
if I grew up here as Swartzentruber, I wanted to shave my head like this
and sort of live my own life, I would be kicked out of the church? Most likely, right? -Eventually they do, they are graceful. Fairly graceful, and it's not like they
will just take you and just kick you out. It's not quite. There is people out there
that paint that picture from the Old Order
or the Swartzentrubers especially, but I'll be the first one
to say that's not quite the case. I'd been a Swartzentruber for 27 years. They are… They're very nice people and they don't
just throw people on their butts. However, there comes a time
when you have to choose whether you're gonna be
a Swartzentruber or not. All right? So when you choose to shave
your head and not be a Swartzentruber, obviously you are saying that, "Look, I don't agree
with where you're at." So you're kind of asking
a little bit for an excommunication in a sense. -That had to be super hard, that process.
-Yeah. -I'm not saying it's easy. I cried a many time. -So why did you decide to do that? -Obviously not for personal pleasure
or I wouldn't have made it. -Right. -Well while I like the Swartzentrubers
and I appreciate them a lot, they have a lot of zeal,
they're very serious people. They're very likable people. I will also say this about them. There is a lot of stuff going on that you that you don't see
just looking on. -Okay. -There is a consistent turmoil
within the church and it's very grievous because
the Bible speaks about loving each other, and you know, it's very clear
if you say you love God but you hate your brother,
you're a liar and the truth is not in you. That's what the Bible says, right? So that's one of the things I can't… You know, I just could not go on with. There was some abuse with my oldest son. In a physical abuse manner. And there is some other abuses that go on. And it's very unfortunate,
though it's not in every household, it's too much for me to be comfortable. And I will say where my tipping point was, at one point I told my wife, I said I would never go back
to a Swartzentruber church. There was a private meeting
for the members. And there was a 16-year-old boy,
I had to leave my son out, and he was scared, he said they're mean. I told him I didn't think they were. So I took him… had the back of my buggy
turned towards the people. -You know, the boys.
-Uh-huh. And I set him on there,
I said they don't know where he's at. He's okay, he'll be fine,
and he took my word for it. I was sitting in the meeting there
and all of a sudden I heard him cry, and then I heard him scream. I said, "Oh, boy." I hated that. Anyway I ended up going out
just in time to see a 16-year-old boy take a clod of dirt with all of his force
and threw it right at his face. Which is missed his face
and hit the buggy about this far back. -It was compacted dirt?
-Yes. -Dry dirt.
-Okay. It splattered of course
and he screamed, So I walked over to him
and took him off the buggy. He was three years old but I just
held him like a little child, you know? When I took ahold of him
he was soaking wet. He was still sitting on the buggy
right where I put him and these boys, younger boys,
treating him in that manner, for absolutely nothing he had done. He's still sitting on the buggy where
I had put him and told him to stay. This is one of the many accounts. And I did not agree with the Amish,
where they're at with things. So obviously the young generation,
they had a point to prove with me. Sort of making an example out of me,
and they took it out on my children. And that was very difficult…
Very difficult. -Wow. -But I don't… You know, I forgave them. But it was time
for me to get my family out of that. I could tell you a whole bunch more but this is sort of a little bit. There is various sexual abuse cases
that happen under them. Um… -You're saying Swartzentruber,
or all Amish, or… -Well it happens under a lot of Amish,
especially Swartzentrubers. Also Swartzentrubers,
I shouldn't say especially. -I just want to make it clear
to the audience, it's not all families obviously. -Oh, absolutely not.
-I want to make that clear. -And as far as my relationship,
let me tell you, this is seven years,
I worked hard on this. My family worked hard. My mom and dad, they always… You know, we had
a good relationship after I left. And we go home quite frequently
to visit both my family and her family. We have a good time when we go. We visit, we now have-- -So you can visit your parents?
-Now. -How long couldn't you visit them for? -It took about three years
to get the fresh of the pain going off. -That's hard. -But it was hard for them. You have to understand they were not
doing it to be hateful to me. -You know, I like them, they like me. I'm convinced, right? They just… it's family… it is. -Yeah. So you have to understand it's not this heated batting
back and forth relationship. -So in a way, to preserve these values, and the culture, it has to be very… For lack of better words,
extreme in its rules. So anything that's against the rules, like you wanted to
sort of go your own way, therefore, it's not an easy process. If it was an easy process,
maybe more people would do it? Then maybe the whole thing
falls apart to some degree. Is there a fear of that? -So obviously
I had a concern for my children. There were two
during the last couple years. Just a couple years before I actually left
is when I actually got converted. -Converted to? -Christianity. I became… I believe… I got converted, I got born again. -So Swartzentrubers are Christian though. Right? Or no? -Well… When there's a lot of turmoil in a church, and there's not a following
of the word of God, how can you call yourself a Christian? -Okay. -Bible says, "If you love me,
you will keep my commandments." -Okay. So your interpretation
of the Bible is different than the Swartzentrubers in general? -The problem is when I mention… When there's
an issue going on and I say, "Look, I get
your understanding on this one but this is what the word of God says." It's not me saying it,
it's not you saying it, it's not my customers saying it. It's the word of God saying it. I read the quote to them. If the remark comes back,
"Well, that's not the way we do things." And I don't want anyone
to get any bad impression about any individual person. -Yeah, yeah. -But we were expected… to have our courtship in a private area. And hugging, and kissing,
and all that stuff was totally allowed. It was actually encouraged. -With the Swartzentrubers? -This community
of Swartzentrubers would go to bed. The couple will actually
spend every two weeks, on a Saturday or Sunday night,
they will spend most of the night in bed hugging and kissing. And the Bible demands,
the Bible asks… requires… A pure heart. -Try that. If you're trying
to have a pure heart and pure mind… -Yeah. -Tell me how you can be in bed
with a girl that you dearly love and you want to marry,
and you know what comes with marriage. God designed marriage. -We know that.
-Okay so, but… These are non-married
Swartzentruber, how old? -Doing this snuggle, cuddle party stuff. -That's another problem. They're from 16 and a half
to whatever age they happen to be. -The parents accept this or no?
-No, they encourage it. I'm not kidding you. -Okay, so that breaks
some strong stereotypes. I woulda thought
they're very conservative, therefore that stuff
would be shunned for sure, -But you're saying they're encouraging it.
-That's really what I wish. -And it's some or all? -Pretty much, uh… There is a community in Missouri
that is not quite as bad on that. They are… The community in Missouri has
some agreement with the others that they don't push their agenda. They don't have to follow
that particular of it. -So is the goal behind that
to get youngsters married early? Is that the point of that? -You want my frank opinion? -I mean it's up to you. This is on a video,
however you want to do it. -It's ignorance to the truth
and the word of God, and what a pure heart really looks like. -Okay. -I'm not hating them for it. If there was any way
that I could help them understand… -Okay. -…the deadliness of this situation. Me and my wife
dated for three years like this. All right? -Yeah. -We never had intercourse. -So they're encouraging it though? -Not intercourse,
just hugging and kissing. Yes, they go to bed, they lay in bed
together under the covers. -Where are the parents? -Downstairs sleeping if they can. I can't imagine they could. -Okay, so 16-year-olds,
you know what's happening. -I remember being 16. -Yeah, that's right. But I want you to know
as the testimonies say, and for their defense,
that we dated three and half years and never made intercourse. -Okay. So it depends the couple. -I want you to know that God
is still looking over some situations, but unfortunately there are
a lot of people, when they go on that long… We started at 17. We started dating. -Yeah. -So there's a lot of people out there
that can't have that. They ain't got
that power to overcome that. And that's very sad. -Right, yeah, okay, so… Do they allow, like,
say I'm Swartzentruber, I'm 16, a girl comes over,
we snuggle upstairs… "Snuggle" quote-unquote. Um… Could I have a different girl
over the next week or no, has to be the same one? -Some of that happens too. The girls don't come over,
the girls always stay home. -The boy goes over?
-Yeah. But it's never through the parents, never. -What do you mean through the parents? -What typically happens is my friends would have taken me
to my girlfriend's house. Three, four boys go together
and one of the boys usually stays with the boy that they're taking to the girl. -Okay. Two of the boys would go
upstairs to the girl's bedroom… -Yeah? -And ask the girl for… If she would have a date with this certain young man,
tell them who it is. Thank God I never had a date
with any other woman. -Okay. -She's the only woman
I ever had a date with. And so the one boy went upstairs
and ask her if she'd have a date. Of course I knew her. -He asked for you?
-Yeah. -Okay. -So she said yeah, she would. So we went in and in that community they always done it
on the rocking chairs. Typically in the South
they have rocking chair dates. What it means
is the boy sits on the rocking chair, and the girl sits on his lap. -At 16? -16, 17 years old, 18. And the boy hugs the girl,
and the girl hugs the boy, and they sit on the chair
rocking away the night… supposedly. Of course we ended up
on the floor most times. Not for rocking either. [laughs] Not from no rollovers. -Crash the rocking chair.
-But anyway… We never did
but I know a few people that did. Anyways, in the North,
in this community mix in the South here, they're from the North
so they do it in bed. In this particular case they went out
and got me upstairs to the girl's bedroom, and put me in bed with her… and then… blew the light out, kerosine light,
[blows], blew it out, left. -No electricity inside.
-No electricity, water, phones, nothing. -Where are the parents right now? -Downstairs in bed. -They know what's going on?
-Huh-uh. -Not unless they are picking up
from rackets and noises -They gotta know.
-They know something's going on. -Sure. -You don't tramp around
in people's houses and nobody knows. You know, parents know
but I can't say they're sleeping. I can't imagine them sleeping. If my girl was laying upstairs and there was three boys
hounding around her, no, I'm not sleeping.
I'm not gonna sleep. I couldn't, I'd just go crazy I think. -Yeah. -Unless they got ahold
of the grace of God somehow I don't know how to do that
but that's what happens. It's very unfortunate and
I don't share this to the audience, you, I want everyone to know… This is not a downplay
of the Swartzentrubers. I'm sharing my story. Those are things that
I can't have my children involved. I cannot go there. -You don't want to bring
your children into that world? No, and then there was
the abuse that I told you about earlier. -Yep. -This stuff is not… This stuff, according to the Bible, should never be once named among you. And I'm not ashamed of being a Christian. I will be very blunt
that the move here that I made was not for self pleasure
or I'd have never put my family through the pain I had to put them through. -That had to be extremely painful. -And go through it myself, my wife,
and children, and her family as well. I was told that
I will go to hell if I do this and my wife will too
because we were baptized in the church. It's another misunderstanding
of the word of God. I finally got the point if I have to
go to hell to save my children, I will then just do that. I can't have them in this mess. There was many times
we cried together over this. It was very difficult. -We, you and your family?
-Me and my wife. And my family cried a lot too,
I know they did because they care about me. It was difficult. There is some pain
because I love my family. I feel like they love me, but yet we can have this interaction. So there is pain. Still seven years later because they care. If I just hardened my heart
and not care, it wouldn't be bad, but I can't do that 'cause it's not
the way to lord lived on this earth. He cared for people. And so we can't go home…
Even when we go home to visit, we can't go home,
and sit at the table, and eat together. Now when we go to visit her family
they would cook us a big meal and they would go
through the line and get all their food and we'll go through cafeteria style,
and then we'll eat. But my family,
most times we don't spend meals there. We visit them, we have good times, but we can't have any
business dealings, we can't eat together. -They won't have you sit at the table?
-No. -[Peter sighs] That's rough. -An uncle and aunt of mine,
my mom's sister, we stopped in there,
2:00 in the afternoon, she prepared a simple meal,
set the table, had us sit at the table while they sat away from the table. Now that's called respect. Holding the rules
and the traditions that they have, but yet in care for the other person,
she gave us the table. She and her husband gave us the table and they sat… -Wow, that's remarkable. -That is respect,
that is more than I can ask for. It was almost more than I could handle
to see somebody care that much. That they would give up their own table, set me there
because we can't eat together. I'm not allowed to buy, sell, or trade, or have any business dealings
with them whatsoever. -With Swartzentruber?
-With Swartzentruber. And a lot of Old Order Amish churches will hold that
because they excommunicated me. -They'll know your status that you left and if they came into the store
they wouldn't buy from you? -Most of them wouldn't Some of them would. [Peter to customer]
You guys can go ahead. -Some of them would, some wouldn't, but see, I don't own this store,
so that makes a difference. If I owned the store, absolutely not,
they would not do business. My brother for sure wouldn't work here. But I just work here. I just work here, I sweep the floor. -Will they buy because you work here? -Some will come and in they will buy
through one of the others. Some of them
don't pay no attention at all. Which the next thing is
the people that moved in later after I was excommunicated and gone,
they see John Yoder, this is the only
John Yoder they ever knew. The ones that helped put me
out of the church is a different story. They have a harder time
overcoming that. -This is you as a Swartzentruber?
-It is, yeah, right there. A few similarities. [both chuckling] [Peter] Do you miss
anything about those days? -I do, I do. There was a lot of times
we had a lot of fun. I could do this any day. I would
do it right now if I had the chance. Yeah, it was a cold snowy day,
just out skiing. -So when you're in
the Swartzentruber world what are you thinking of the English? As in me, the outside world. Are you looking at them
as the irresponsible… -I wouldn't say irresponsible but carnal. You know, chasing after
lust of the flesh and pride of life. Um, you know, fornication is a big thing. Things like that,
that still trouble me about the world. But I don't have
that picture about everybody that drives a vehicle like I used to. Obviously I drive one myself. -When you didn't drive, you had that? -I just sort of had that picture because when you leave
the Swartzentrubers as a young man, that's what you do. Those are some of
the things you go after. So guess what the thought was that we… You know, the thought
about those people is just that because that's what
the people go after ain't it, Steven? -It is yeah, it's exactly what they do. -Get out in the world
and just fly to pieces. And they explore every avenue
then kind of calm down after a while. Some of them do
get converted and change their life. -You think Steven
would make a great Swartzentruber? [all laughing] Do I really have to answer that? [Peter] He's gonna have to remove
the sticker on top of his hat. You're definitely out. He wouldn't even make
Beachy at this point. -Yeah, he's gone. -[John] Gone with the wind.
-[Steven] Long gone. -Your brother is back there
and he's still Swartzentruber? -Yeah. -You guys get along? -We do get along, yeah… yeah. He's… -You were trying
to get him on camera, Steven? I was but he said, "The only thing I'll show you
is how fast the Amish can run." [John laughs] [Peter] You want to see
an Amish 100 meter sprint? -Let's go try.
-Yeah. -So your brother's in a tough position. He's gotta be between
the church, and his brother, and his job. -Yeah. -He will likely come up and ask
one of the others for information. -He's not supposed to ask me.
-Oh, wow. -Any kind of business dealings. I do a lot of the ordering, tools,
equipment, stuff like that, or help, whatever, sort through it. And I help him. You know, I would not
do anything intentionally for him that would put him in a… But yeah, he just avoids asking me for… You know, when he needs cut sheets he'll usually come up
and ask Forrest or Caleb. -How's that make you feel? -It's life. Understand, I have friends here. -Yeah, so how is that now? You left the church,
you left the Swartzentrubers, you're still in the same community. Do you get along with everyone? You're working in a store,
people know about it, they come, they go. You seem like a likable guy. Are your relations
pretty good in the community? -It depends, there will always be--
-Or is it like that's the guy that left? Is it finger pointing John,
the guy that left? -I'll paint you a little bit of a picture. So excommunication is often used
as a way to get ahold of somebody. Look, you really need
to straighten out here. The ones that were there
to excommunicate me, I would say there's
about 20% of them that will still… They just enjoy to find fault. I'm John Yoder so I'm not perfect,
so there's fault, right? -Okay.
-You can find fault in my life. -Sure… everyone. -But the majority of them,
I just love them, they're nice people. They're very good people. -So the 80% you can get along with,
smile at, wave, talk? -All is good?
-They'll wave back. -We shake hands, pleasant to meet them. -It's not like a total 100% shunning? "John left Swartzentrubers,
we all can't stand him now, and we need to shun him from society." You're saying 20% do, 80% don't? -I'm just making a number, about 20% will look at me
just a little bit… that way. -They don't--
-You're the guy that left. -To start with I had one guy
get on the hood of my truck and scratch it up just out of revenge. That's fine, it's just a truck. It's not mine, it's God's.
I surrendered it, fine, no problem. I had somebody scratch
a big long mark down the side of my van at an Amish funeral or somewhere,
I forget where I was. I think a funeral or a wedding I think. Just stuff like that happens
but anymore, it don't... I don't have any issues with that anymore. Uh… They pretty well quit that. Like I said, last night I stopped in
an Amish family's house to pick up something. Um, we had a great talk. Had a good talk. -So technically a Swartzentruber
will never see this video because they don't watch the internet. -Oh, I'd say a lot
of Swartzentrubers will see this video. -They will?
-Yep. -Because they're underground? -There's many, many Amish boys
that have smart phones, Facebook, YouTube. -Okay. -That's another reason I just… I don't mind YouTube, I have YouTube. I use a lot of YouTube,
we do YouTube videos for our business. But it's just when you say
you don't have it, you won't have it, can't have it, and then you do have it. -So there's some hypocrisy going on here? -Unfortunately. -Okay. -Humans are human?
-Human are human. [Peter] That was crazy, John's story. -Like that's heavy stuff.
-Yeah, it is. -One point I'd like to make
to the audience, these are the stories
we're getting into today, not one person
speaks for a whole community, no matter what that community is. -Exactly. -Some people will say,
"Oh, his story is…" "You're trying to say
that's everybody's." Not the case at all. But to make this kind of spontaneous,
on the street, real, live content, I show you what I come into. Now I could meet up with someone else, I'm sure another Swartzentruber family that maybe has a good family dynamic and nobody left,
and everyone's happy in it. There's all different types. Got other Amish videos too,
a little more uplifting than John's story. [chuckles] But that's what it is,
the range of emotions, Steven. -It is, definitely. -Life's complicated,
society's complicated. -Just 'cause they're Amish don't mean they don't go through problems
like everybody else. They're people
just like everybody, you know? They're Amish but they're people. ♪ somber country ♪ [Steven] This was like
the first original store in the Mennonite and Amish community here. -The Dutchman?
-The Dutchman. Paul Martin owns it, he still owns it. It's still open. It started out just this building
and the school was in the upstairs. Now they built a new school behind it. Since then his son's have opened
this big metal business and everything. But they left the store for the old man. -Do you think he'll talk on camera? -All we can do is try. I don't know if he will or not,
I have no idea. -Just so you all know, getting Amish
on camera is a very difficult task. -It's tough. -And we have to get approval obviously,
Mennonite, a bit easier. So a lot of the times, the camera is off. [Peter speaking to man] Hello. -We can walk around
and show first, just the store. -Just an old general store. -[Steven] Howdy, howdy.
-[man] Hi. [Steven] How are you, buddy? -[man] Not too bad for an old man.
-[all chuckle] -So these are all local jams?
-All kinds of jelly. -Some of it could be. "Yoder's good health recipe." [Peter] Little bit of everything
in here, nails, spray paint. -Stove pipes. -Do you think he wants to be on camera? -I don't know, you'll have to ask him.
-I'll ask gently. -I'd just ask. -He's a very interesting man.
-Oh, he's cool. -Very cool. -One of the original ones
here in the county. [Peter] Do you mind if I have the video? It's okay? Okay. So Paul, 40 years here? You were telling me the Mennonites,
how did the Mennonites come about? [Paul] From their assignments,
the priests in Catholic church. -He left the Catholic church? -Yeah, they expelled him.
-Okay. And you're Mennonite? And what have you seen in your 40 years? What are the big changes? Do you notice any changes? -Not really to be honest. Old-fashioned as we were, you know? Years ago we had to
carry our water and pump water. Now everything is modernized. -Do you get out of the area often
or you stay here mostly? -Mm-hmm, yeah. -What do you feel like when you
go out into the English world? What are your thoughts on it? Well there might be differences
but they're all friendly people to us. -Like Steven, for example?
-Yeah. -I heard he was gonna
become Swartzentruber but… -Amish… He won't pass. [Steven] No. [Peter] You need a beard
and you have to get rid of that hat. [Paul chuckles] Yeah, a big hat. [Peter] Do you have any kids? -Ten.
-Wow. -Grandkids? -Between 70 and 80. [laughs] [Peter] Seventy and eighty grandkids? That's amazing. -And I have great-grandchildren. That makes an antique out of me. -How old are you? -Eighty-seven. -What life advice do you have for us? What wisdom can you share? -The main thing is serve the lord. -Okay. -We're strong in that. I shall love the lord, thy God
with all my soul, mind, and strength. That's the greatest commandment. If you keep that commandment, the other commandments
fall right in there. -Fair to say you've lived a good life?
-Yes. -You feel good, your health is good?
-Yep. [Steven] He still rides a bicycle.
[Peter] Oh, yeah? -Yeah, he rides a bike?
-Yeah? Every day? -Every day you ride the bicycle?
-Yep. -[Peter] Steven, you need--
-[Steven] I need to start riding a bike. [Paul] A fella came in here, he said, "You take your bicycle--"
I have my house right there. "You take your bicycle and ride
up to your house?" I said, "Yeah." Later on I said, "I'd like to go somewhere,
could you take me?" He said, "Sure, where?" "I want you to take me up to my house. [all laughing] I just wanted to tease him. [Peter] So what do you think
about the United States right now or you don't even think about it? -Oh, I'm thankful we have
the freedom that we do. When you think of other countries,
where Christians are persecuted. Where they are poor
and don't have enough food to eat. -Mm-hmm.
-And here we're so blessed. So we better be thankful. -[Paul] Where do you live
-[Peter] Florida. -Florida?!
-Yeah. -One February,
my parents lived in Pennsylvania, and I helped my parents shovel snow. We went down to Florida and walked around Miami
with my sleeves rolled up. In one week's time, such a difference. -How did it feel
being in Florida in the winter? -I enjoyed it. I noticed people had high fences. I asked,
"Why do you have fences so high?" They said, "We have a lot of stealing." Keep the people from stealing. -Yeah. You don't have
any of that around here, huh? -Oh yeah, we have some. -You do have some? -I get some shoplifting in here too. -Who's doing the shoplifting, the kids? -No, it's older people. [chuckles]
-They do too, huh? I didn't even think about this,
do you have police out here or is it just
county sheriff that comes out? -We have sheriff and police
but we don't need 'em really. I mean it's peaceful here. -Your population is growing, right? 'Cause you're having a lot of kids. -Yeah. -I mean your 70 to 80 grandkids
will have many kids and the population is expanding. -I have great-grandchildren. -Now in China that would be a lot. In China you're restricted. You can have only so many children
then you gotta quit. -They had the one child policy
and it really hurt them because now
their population is declining or it will be in decades to come. -You think? -Yeah, it's gonna decline quite a bit. My group, what am I a WASP? White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. We're not having many kids. -Hmm. -I don't even have any kids. -Oh, really? -Do you think I should? -You're married and have no children? -Should I get to business? -You use birth control?
-No. -No?
-Yeah. -Just, you time it right. You know, around the cycles. Do you think I should have kids? Think it's a true gift in life? -Whatever the lord blesses you with. -The lord decides that, huh? -Yeah.
-Okay, okay. -Do you agree? -I think it's out of my control
in some ways, yes. So I agree. -Put your trust in the lord.
-Yes. -There's a higher power that--
-Oh, amen. -You know… -I was speaking with an atheist
and he's so sure there's not God and I'm so sure there is a God. We couldn't agree. -Did you get along though?
Could you hang out as friends? -We're friends but we didn't agree. -Do you find it easy
by believing in a higher power there's less stress? -Yeah. You put your trust in a higher power
it kind of helps you. If there's something
you don't quite understand, you don't worry about it,
just ignore it and… -Yeah. Live what you understand. -That's peaceful, huh?
-Mm-hmm. -Thank you, sir.
-God bless you. [Steven] Gonna head on down the road. [Paul] All right. -[Peter] Take care.
-[Paul] You too. Wow, that's like stepping back in time. [diesel truck starts] [car door beeps] Steven, I could
spend hours there with Paul. -He's awesome. I've been coming here
since I was a little boy. Me and my dad would come here,
I remember it from real little. I mean I remember it very well. You just got
an 87-year-old Mennonite asking you if you use birth control or not. [laughs] That's raw stuff. Raw footage. That's bad. You want to stop
and talk to the local Amish barber? I mean, yeah. -Who doesn't want to do that?
-It's up to you. I never met the guy,
I don't know who he is. All I know is there's a barber shop
went in here about two years ago. He also sells honey bee supplies. [Peter reading sign] "Haircut, sir?" "Haircuts $12,
beard trims $8, cash only." -You have cash? I do but I don't have hair or a beard. -I never been in here.
-"Hours posted are not a guarantee." "When family, church,
or personal needs arise, I may not be here during those times." I like his style. -He's cool. -He's writing his own rules.
-Let's ask him. -Okay. [Peter] We have
something for long-haired men. Which wouldn't be any of us. Nope, we're not long-haired. -And then I like this, "Please come in
with clean hair and a clean mouth." "No cussing please." Very nice. [barber] I did a lot more business
when I was in Corbin than here. -Okay.
-There was a lot more people. Then here there's a lot more
Mennonite and Amish-type people. [customer] Mom's do it for sisters. [barber] Family does it for free. [customer] The Mennonite-type people,
their roots on farms, larger families than more typical America. Go back a generation or two,
it has been… Yes, moms, sisters,
sometimes fathers, brothers, have been well-able to do haircuts, and if young men desired a haircut in town from a professional barber, a lot of times it wasn't
very well approved of. When it's some kind of style
that's not available at home. [chuckles] [Peter] Gotcha, gotcha. -Steven, you good?
-I'm good. -Steven's one of those bad customers,
his mom does it only. -Mama does the cuttin'. [barber] …bee thing over here. -Bee thing? I'm sorry. -You're doing honey here?
-Yeah, I got the honey bee supplies. -Outside? -The bee business is
something my three year old son will be able to help me with growing up. See, barbering is a profession
that you have to have a license from the state to do. You can't get your license till you're 18 and have your high school diploma
and go through barber school. So it's nothing
he can help me with growing up but bee supplies,
he won't have to be very old till he can carry a bee box
out to somebody's car and put it in for them,
or put a frame together, and help me with that. So I wanted something that I could
work with my children with. -And spend time.
-Great. Because I think so many times
in the typical American society you go out and you work
8, 9, 10 hours a day away from your family and then you come home and your child
gets an hour or two in the evening and a few hours of time
on the weekend at best. But if you have something where
your children can work with you then they get
those hours during the day that you get to work together
doing something productive and spend time together. They don't just get your left over
worn out time in the evening. -[Steven] That's true.
-[barber] You actually get more time. And so that's why
I got into the bee thing. Something he could help me with
and also supplement the income of the expense here
in rural Casey County barbering. Doesn't do as well as it does
in a bigger town. I've got some
broom-making equipment in there too but it's full of bee stuff,
I've not been using it. I make homemade brooms too. Triple B. [Steven] Yeah, brooms,
and bees, and barber. [Peter] Wow, that's great. [barber] Bees, brooms, and barbering. [barber] If you want
to see anything in there you can. [Peter] Okay. [Peter] Are we in Liberty? [Steven] Well, it's a Liberty address
but they call this South Fork. -Okay, so if someone's in South Fork,
here's where you want your hair cut. And any bee supplies. -What's the address here?
-I have no idea, we could look it up. -It's on the main road. He said just go in. [Steven] It's on highway 910. [Peter] Highway 910 near Rusty Joes. That should be
an easy Google search, right? Okay, look at this. [Steven] Oh, wow. [Peter] What a smell, huh? -This wood smells so good.
-Smells good. So you see a lot of that out here,
just very handy, crafty people. -A lot of people
do their own honey out here. -Bee suits. -You know what they say local honey does? -What's that? -If you eat honey, like teaspoon a day, that's raised in your local area, it'll cure allergies. That's what they say. [Peter] Honey from Mississippi,
Casey County honey. If I wasn't traveling
I'd buy some of this. That's great. I love it. -"Pure honey distributed by…" -Did he say he was Amish? -He's the same as John Yoder. They're the same church
as John Yoder, the Charity Church. -Charity, so that’s--
-Mennonites. -Mennonite, yeah. -A type of Mennonites. -I love what he said about
doing something with his son. -That was neat. -It's cool, it's a good point, right? I don't have kids but… -Kind of made me think
a little bit, he's right. -It's something I worry about a little.
-He is right. It's pretty neat. -And how he's thinking out
about that for the future. -Right?
-Exactly, yep. -I wanna be
one of these parents down the road. ♪ somber country ♪ [Steven] There's some Swartzentrubers. The other morning I brought
some stoves back to Ohio here. I think I lost my hubcap here on my truck. I want to ask them if it's here. -This is like out of a movie set. -This is Swartzentrubers. -Did I lose a hubcap
on my truck here the other morning? [woman] Your hubcap's in the back. -It is here. [chuckles] [Steven] Thank you. What'd I hit? I hit something the other morning then. [boy] I don't know what it was. -Hey, it'll go back on. Thank you, buddy. I think I hit that the other morning. I hit something with my front tire and I heard it but I hadn't slept
in so long, I was so tired 'cause I drove all night. So I just quit on home. [Peter] That was like
going into a different world, huh? -Oh, yeah. Now this is English people
mixed in with Swartzentrubers. Like all these are English. Actually those are
Charity Mennonites I think. But these are English people here. You 'member John Yoder? The one we videoed at the meat place? -Yeah. -Here's the first place he lived in. He bought this place and moved here
when he first left the Swartzentrubers. -This place?
-That's where he lived. Now he's moved since then
but that was his place. Now this here is
a Swartzentruber recently built this. 'Course he'll haul
that trailer out of there eventually. -There's their house.
-Right. [Peter] They started red barn and then afterwards, when
they have the money, go to the house? -Actually these people built
the barn two months ago. They had a barn raising there,
built that in a day. -So inside it's traditional
old school Swartzentruber? -Just like a Swartzentruber home. -Everything's made out of wood,
rocking chairs, cabinetry? -Yep. They're the same church as
Holmes County, Ohio Swartzentrubers. -No power lines coming in. -Nope, they don't have electric.
-I see one going through. -He just bought the property
and they gotta get that out of there. They'll haul that trailer
and get everything out eventually. -They'll get the electrical line out?
-Yeah. -Plumbing? -No plumbing, no indoor plumbing. -Right, so outhouse?
-Outhouse, yes. -Yep, we can see
the two outhouses right there. [Steven] This is an old house that they
turned into a Swartzentruber school. -So a lot of Swartzentrubers moving in? -Yeah, still. Yes. And this here was a Swartzentruber,
my good friend John. Not John Yoder, a different John. He bought this place,
and built this house and stuff, and he sold it,
and some English people bought it now. They put electric to it and fixed it up. They're living there now. ♪ somber country ♪ [Peter] This is our last stop, Steven? -What do we got here?
-The barn where all the horses are. -You're growing all of these? -Henry does, that's his business there,
he's the mum man. [Steven giggles] [Steven] He doing pretty good ain't he? [horse snorts] This is our draft horses. This is Wyatt and Wes over here. They're going to Texas with me next week. [Peter] So you work with an Amish guy? -With Henry, Mennonite guy. -Mennonite guy?
-Yeah. Me and Henry's been friends
since we was young. -And bring these horses
all over the country? -We take them all over the place,
wherever we need to go. This is George, he's a stallion. He's a seven year old Belgian stallion. -So the draft horses
are the work horses, right? -They are… Yeah, well used to be
primarily work horses but nowadays people ride 'em,
they do everything with 'em. -So they're just thicker-boned,
is that what's going on? -They're thicker-boned
but they are built to work. -Lower center of gravity? -That's right I guess, yeah. [Peter] Barn fell down? -Tornado, June something.
First part of June. [Henry] We had the roof on,
and didn't have the sides on it yet, and we had a very heavy wind
one Sunday afternoon, and it took this whole thing
to the ground out that way. -Leveled it?
-Yeah. [Steven] It fell down on Sunday night. By Monday, mid day,
it was cleaned up, wadn't it? -Yeah, Sunday night it fell down, bunch of people come
and looked at it Sunday night. Monday they had a work day,
and everybody chipped in and helped, and they had over the whole day, I think the lady served
like 70 men for lunch and then by lunch time they were getting the walls
on the main building up. They were cleaning the horse barn up yet. [Peter] So Henry, the local Amish,
Mennonite came to help? -Yeah. -You didn't pay them,
they just came to help? -They just came to help
because the storm took it down. -So if your neighbor's barn
blows down and he needs help, you're gonna go over there? -Yeah, then we all gather and help. -That's how it works around here?
-Yeah. [Steven] Help your neighbor. [Peter] Oh wow, the barn
isn't just this, it's all of this? [Steven] This whole structure fell. -Wow, it's massive. Just a few days. [Henry] Yep. Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. [truck approaches] -[Peter] What's going on here, Steven?
-[Steven] My wife, the boss is here. My boss. [laughs] Happy wife, happy life, Peter. -Is she happy? -I hope. [laughs] -Let's see. We're gonna see right now. -Yeah, she got her hat on
so she's happy. -Steven, how many kids do you have? My boy is 16, I got a girl that's 14,
then I got this little boy. -Oh, wow. And who's this one? -Little Silas. [Henry] My little girl, Cheyenne. -How many do you have, Henry?
-Three. [Steven] We even got
matching shirts, that's pretty cool. [Peter] Oh yeah, there you go. [Steven] I love draft horses. This team here is going to to
our clinic down at Mount Pleasant, Texas. -Oh cool. [Steven] This team's pretty special
to me right here, they're dapple grays. You see how that one
looks real light with those circles? That's dapples, it's just a color. -Okay.
-But the other one's a year younger. Next year he'll turn on out
like the other one is. Gray horses are
born black most of the time. And they change through their whole life. You ever been on a wagon ride, Peter? -Uh yeah, I have. [Steven chuckles] -So we're gonna take a ride?
-If you want to. -That would be great. [wagon clanking] [Steven] You can do what you need to do. -You can stand or sit.
-All right. [hooves clopping] -[Steven] That's a pretty sight.
-[Peter] It's beautiful. What a cool part
of the country, Casey County. -Yeah it is, it's great. -It's a good fusion between the
non-Amish, Mennonite, and the Mennonite. And me. -And Peter, yeah. [chuckles] [Henry] That's the brake right there. I got full hydraulic brakes
to hold the wagon back. This was my dad's old wagon
and he had a wooden bed on there but I used it to haul sorghum loads
and heavy hay loads. So I put a steel wagon on it. So I can pull it
with a tractor and use it for that, or we can put the horses to it
and do whatever we need to do. -[Peter] Do you speak Pennsylvanian Dutch?
-[Henry] Yeah. At home we would, yes. -So English is your second language? -Yeah, basically.
-Wow. That's for most people out here, right? -All the Mennonites, yeah. We would sing German
in church actually too. [Peter singing in German] -We sing it in church
and teach it in school but that's about it. We don't use it at home. [Henry kissing at horses] -Steven, thank you brother.
-Thank you. -Appreciate it, that was awesome.
-Appreciate you. -A very interesting look from
a non-Amish Mennonite perspective but someone that knows how it works. -Scoop in.
-Scoop in, yes. That's what I was trying to say. Anyone looking for a draft horse, find you on the website
or the social page. -Get in contact,
they can see the horse online. -That's right. -Nation wide? -Canada too?
-Anywhere, yeah, we'll go to Canada. -Those links below, guys. -All right, appreciate it.
-Thank you. Thanks guys, until the next one. ♪ somber country ♪
