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you I am now alive hello world don't okay housekeeping housekeeping refresh and the youtubes knows that I am Alive excellent here we go 95 people watching already good i wow that's a lot of peeps just let me get the chat up here I could put the chat in pop out yet here we go beautiful beautiful live chat give me all the chat hello from France ome Hardy yep I got a cold I sound like sorry thought I'd do it anyway Indonesia Brazil Wow Philippines Argentina remember to set slow mode what is slow mode I have no idea what slow mode is rebo rollers what is slow mode hang on add sauce general widgets hey where'd all my sauces go what happened to xsplit I used to have a I installed a an option to overlay the chat now it's gone what the hell not happy about that install unbelievable I hate computers installation complete there we go its back nope right-click to configure this source select event ah hang on sorry I gotta do some housekeeping unbelievable a load of garbage I just authorized this before unbelievable to step Vericut verification on my phone and I just did it and I just put the option that said never asked on this computer again hate computers hate them don't ask on this computer again unbelievable sorry for all these crap Hey there we go tighten everything though all right anyway sorry yeah well is that slow mode slows down chat does it well there's no slow mode in the in the drop-down box do i right-click on it no no how do I enable slow mode I don't I don't understand I don't have the ability to go slowmode not ID I don't know sorry people we got no idea I got no idea how to enable slow mode so unless someone tells me yeah sorry I have unless somebody tells me how to enable slow mode I've got no idea I got no idea I can't find it so good with timestamps unbelievable okay no one no one's gonna tell me obviously all right law I have dashboard chat module settings I'll that looks too hard I don't care sorry I'm just like no dude I'm whoa that's heavy anyway I thought that I would finish this gigatron thing thought I would finish this gigatron thing so let's go down turn it into I should just ignore comments people are just gonna shout among themselves alright what am i doing left and right why does holding down control shift goes up and down shift mouse wheel goes up and down control mouse wheel goes left and right and you can't right-click and pan don't like that how do you pan and your pan in this paper crap no it's not alt it's not it's it's not right-click oh you hold down the middle mouse that's right I hate that I'm not a fan of clicking the middle scroll wheel not a fan not a fan at all see why can't why can't the why can't the why can I hold down the the right button and then pan around that's how like half the other programs in the world work like you know click and hold middle bun I don't like it it's too much force required on the button that's like it's like not a natural thing to click the middle wheel it like requires a lot of force you know it's maybe it's the mouse I've got it's a logitech thingamabob anyway mm-hmm hey check this out I got another camera oh look I'm a tag tag tag tag all right didn't you okay it was I yeah cuz I never actually finished this which is she's really silly anyway this is where I last left off for those playing around on eevblog 2 before a couple of months back when I did this I thought I just I haven't streamed on eevblog main channel for a while I just thought I'd do it just for kicks 390 people watching that's all right don't maybe I should tweet that tweeted okay did someone just say Waikiki had it not out him because the original source file is in kicad that's why no I'm not looking at alternatives it just for those who don't know this is the gigatron TTL computer which you've seen in a couple of videos on my job no I don't I don't like don't like how they've done the scroll wheel on this sorry just don't like it this is the gigatron TTL computer and it is you've seen it in previous videos and I want to do a four layer version of this board and the the original designers of the gigatron were kind enough to send me a four they can't send me the kicad files and obviously I'm not going to convert them to out iam just to do that and so I'm using kicad so I've installed the new version five 5.000 oh oh oh oh yeah there you go and I'm using pcbnew for those playing along at home do you do do do you do alright so where I got up to you last time is I had removed I had removed the [Music] no one do I have done what did I do I remove the top and bottom layer that's right I removes the top and bottom layer [Music] here we go is that so that's that's the ground mmm hang on maybe I just shouldn't even bother having the chat open I don't know how's that genius I tell you because now you can see the menu bar on the left I'm not sure if you can actually can you yeah oh yeah yeah look look you can change change the docking for this Wow okay oh how how do I read och how do I read och I don't hold down control shift oh it's not automatically snapping back I've undock to that permanently I'm not mightily bummed I've I woke up this morning and I'm not good there are no field Jones there are no field zones because these are it's a ground plane there you go and there's no VCC ground okay VCC is not a thing where where's my VCC I've got a ground plane but I don't have a VCC so drag titlebar to side you want just below the buttons oh yeah there there guys haha thanks yep yep I didn't notice the shadow in there and cool cool bananas hey I can't make that any smaller why can't I make that smaller look at all this wasted space down here dude all this wasted space I'm gonna drag look I can drag a bigger I can't drag it's smaller I can't drag it smaller got wasted space there look at that poor you poor GUI design do you need to do all right so yeah why maybe I create did I create I cannot remember I cannot remember so did I create that ground plane last time did I manually when you create a ground plane do you have to put do you have to actually manually put in the pour it in like or not kooky cat doesn't have planes only filled zones it's tedious thanks Joshua don't look I will say this once and once only the TS 100 video I had I'm not going to explain it here it's explained on the eevblog forum if you want to know my reasoning why I took it down it's over there I'm not gonna repeat myself I've already repeated myself five times and I'm not gonna do it again not on this stream but I'm not gonna do it again I'm just not gonna waste any more brain cells on it it's not worth it hmm ground plane must be filled manually okay is that the same I assume that's the same for VC C must be has to be right if it is right okay so I filled that manually okay so front I I don't like how they use F for front i I just like that's by default it made me is that like a European thing or something I don't know cuz don't that you know isn't it mostly written by Europeans or somebody but it's like yeah if I assume if means front B means bottom if means front I don't like that it's always top bottom it's always top bottom Iida it's like if you that's what that that's what that layer is saying to me like it just F see you it's it's funny sorry it's my childish sense of humor all right so there's there's bottom layer and there's our top our front layer screw the top top layer and the ground I've already put in a grounded doodad all right so and that means that let's actually just go in have a look yeah okay it's already done the thermal reliefs yep okay it's already done the thermal relieves to the ground plane so now what it's missing now of course you can see all these white lines these are the missing Nets so yeah all I've got to do is pour my VCC I think it should be right and then we should be good to go so so how do I pour am pour a few place is it a polygon little polygons or is it a B to reap or I've got a cheat sheet here no bees begin but are sorry no they're different for schematic and PCB my cheat sheet does not have B for repour he maybe I've got an old cheat sheet or something hmm place zone is it Joshua seems to be the man create fill select net draw polygon create create fill select net what play zone ever play zone oh yeah zone looks like a fill okay so the call of the zone okay groovy so I'm going to have some pull back on there alright you have to have some pull back tip for young players never take your ground plains to the edge of the board or outside even if the tool automatically has a thing to trim I don't know if kicad has the ability to pull back choose our lair but even if it does I would recommend not relying on it okay thermal reliefs yep solid through whole thermal I wonder what the difference maybe we can play with that later later what's I assume tht thermal is through whole thermal what's the what's going to be the difference between the through whole thermal and the thermal relief I wonder I think you're wrong Gabriel it's not polygons it's a zone what is a pullback that's a good question Digital hands okay I'd yeah I didn't finish finished my thought there did I hmm fundamentals of PCB design on my channel ah there's lots of yeah yeah I've done walkthroughs I've done like like an hour or like I've done like hour-long walkthroughs of designing a PCB with lots of hints and tips along the way sorry I don't know the name of it - hand it was one of my power supply design series videos it's it's labeled power supply designed PCB layout or something and I've done right so anyway let's go out of here for a second okay you've when you've got a PCB right you've got the edgy a board here the edges defined on this particular layer I don't know which lay are they using kicad fabrication layer is it no no it's not the fab layer bottom fat no mask pad adhesive edge cuts there we go they got an edge cuts layer right so your board is defined by it doesn't have to be on the edge cuts layer it can be on the copper layer it can be anywhere as long as the PCB manufacturer knows like they they they know when they see lines like this on it doesn't matter what layer it is they're going to know that you're implying that that's the edge year board now the edgy aboard alright when they manufacture your PCB right they use either routing or big guillotines or sors to chop your board up right and when they chop your board up especially if it's a multi-layer board like we're designing here we're designing a four layer board so that means that we've got the top copper the bottom copper and ground and VCC in here okay so what we're doing at the moment is we're actually creating the - inner layers ground and VCC and they're just one big solid copper plane in this particular case doesn't have to be and they will by default in a lot of packages in in in this case kicad does not have planes as such they're just layers with polygon fills or zones in this particular case so but anyway right if you draw them all the way to the edge like I can't my snap doesn't go in there it doesn't snap the object anyway if you take your plane copper plane all the way to the edge of the board where the board gets routed or sword or cut off then if you've got the copper in the inner layers when they do that when they slough so a slice or route through it it can cause little burrs in the copper and then the copper if it's right on the edge of the board can yeah the coppers like right on the edge of the board like that it's right on the edge and they route or they slice your board it can actually short those two layers together right in case you can get little burrs and they can short together and obviously if you're short your power plane and your ground plane together that's gonna ruin your day so you don't want that so what pull back is called right is I I do not want to define the copper going right to the edge of the board I want to pull it back a distance from the edge and a package like Altium will have you know it knows what planes are and it knows what pullback is and all that sort of stuff so you can define that kicad I believe doesn't what I'm told here kicad doesn't have that ability so you're got to do it manually so that's why I'm going to select rather than go right to the edge I'm gonna leave a gap pull back around the edge of the board that's what it is so do to do it thermal relief I don't think I ever asked yes I'm sick sorry that's why my voice is crap please woke up this morning now it's fine last night woke up this morning and probably picked up something from the germ Factory yesterday preschool for those who don't have kids it's the germ Factory all right so so net net net so well so what we're gonna do is we're gonna right hang on we're gonna place so we're on our we're gonna place a zone and we're going to pull back from the edge we're going to select the layer we want VCC which is their power and then we select the net that we want so I assume they're not in alphabetical order why aren't there in alphabetical order hidden netfilter you know we can guess we can just use the net fielder fly filter alphabetical ah must must be called something else okay okay it's it's probably called plus five or something H oh that's right that's right they yeah key caddies we're not not kicad sorry yeah the designers of the gigatron where is it how do you how do you sorry not very good at this i gigatron schematic create yeah yeah I think cuz I'm using version 5 we're not found transistor lit well lots of libraries weren't found that's not good okay and he could remap symbols project rescue helper I I think has I've got an old that was done in an old version or something so I are sorry it's doing this off-screen I can't well this is heavy okay so it's mapped backing up rescue oh god oh oh it's done it's it's remapping re saving backing up files Oh God okay I don't like this don't like the sound of that doesn't instill a lot of confidence in me anyway kicad sorry no key Kate the designers of the gigatron they hello I can I change sheet now I change seats anyway hierarchical sheet crunchy there we go I am now a kicad expert um there looks like they got hidden power pins on there do they they must have they don't have power pins on their on their chips that don't have power pins on the schematics so that must be over on yeah where's like where's my hierarchical list of schematics oh I so don't know how to use this I must be painful to watch for those who have a clue Gerber's gigatron Pro anyway like I people are probably screaming at me abort what right click exit cheat leave sheet oh okay thanks peripherals power power clock hurrah keel sheet there we go there we go reading life leading all right dude today [Music] jerae oh no I'm getting I'm getting used to it yeah they've named took me five minutes get at this point they've named the nets here high and low so somebody just beat me it's not going to be mr. Christopher J Gamal is it I won't jump no okay no I'm not gonna do that all right so high-low all right and yes so they've labeled them high and low and gah yeah it's Chris it's Chris Gamal he's not he's not a happy camper that I don't know how to use kicad should I should I embed Chris's chat window up anyway yeah they instead of labeling them ground and VCC like they've labeled them look I you know the problem is I don't want to know nice eat no no no no no no no no no no no hang on sorry hang on I'm just going sorry I'm just going blank for a second sorry I'm back just some housekeeping there here we go yeah I don't want to hang on I just want to get okay sorry I'm just going to screen capture ah bloody xsplit still has this bug it still has this bug that I try and capture a window and it shows up blank it's the bloody accelerator thing stupid you know GPU I think it's the GPU related acceleration thing and it's just um it's just um sorry I'm gonna put him over here there is there he is it's mr. Gammill say hi Chris he's watching my livestream hi guys wave to Chris yeah yeah yeah I knew an OBS fanboy it immediately jumping good Anya you win the Internet unbelievable I think your audience might know just as well anything I know anyway I can't leave your chat window up there because as soon as I click on this stupid thing it's gonna it's gonna go it's gonna vanish see dumb anyway um yeah hi Chris bye Chris oh no no he's about to say something profound has to has the green dots there everyone's waiting Chris make it profound yep makes sense what I'll keep watching as a spectator okay bye I just deleted my anti our co-host anyway back to this yes they labeled them high and low okay it's fine like as long as you know you know I don't know I've never ever seen anyone do that before h&L is that like a thing does that has anyone ever seen somebody do h&L before high and low maybe maybe you know kisses digital-only and it's a digital only board there's basically no analog on it so it's like high and low makes sense yeah yeah I just yeah just haven't haven't seen it before yeah VCC and ground of course I'm sure nope never seen h&L on a digital board never seen it nope nope no H on old tube schematics oh yeah you'll get H+ that's or you get HT HT for like high tension on old tube stuff that was common you see it on homebrew stuff all the time 5vf refused yeah you know like I would understand that like if I saw 5vf ID you know it wouldn't take me long to guess that that's fused hating else ends more like a can than a power rail yeah anyway anyway there you go there you go we'll just sidetracked enough h&L so that's the net I need to where we've already done ill because the only Nets we're missing based on these white net lines these white that they tell us that that there are none routed Nets esta termos looking for they're the unrouted nest and I guess key care by default has unrouted Nets on which is great so I've explained pull back so let's go in and let's place our zone again once again we've got pull back we're putting it on the VCC layer I'm not gonna relay Madden rename @h h apply filter what what alphabetical anyway hi H there are you there we go alright so we're gonna do thermal relief as I said before I don't know the difference between thermal relief and through-hole thermal relief but I did thermal relief before on the ground plane I believe and that that seemed to come out fine but we can change that not sure what the default difference is there I wonder if you can set those up I wonder if you can actually um defy are they fixed in kicad or are they can you go in and like have a user-defined pad connection like to know that hmm like I assume that you can set the diameter and or like the width of the traces whether you want to with whether you want to connections for your thermal relief that goes horizontal or vertical or whether or not you want to cross or whether you want diagonal or whether however you want to hmm yeah so anyway thermal relief I'm not sticking around where we're gonna we're gonna connect on the VCC layer to H I know that there it is sorry arbitrate there you go you can define it you do it in here horizontal and vertical and 45-degree only there you go um so I answered my own question outline style hatched fill mode polygon or segment boundary mode low resolution high resolution not sure what that is when it gets towards a boundary condition near an edge it maybe takes longer the process or something corner smoothing ah sham for Philip mmm clearance minimum width okay and we can do our yes of course it's all in here I should have just look before I start I started yeah porn on saying yeah I wonder if it's got all this stuff and it's like right in front of me DRD anyway and it has all the stuff I was talking about right in front of me yes I won't mention it no Como mention it there anyway yeah all the parameters are in the window exclamation mark Alf our Fredo knows settings to other zones ok cool anyway it's not dick around all right for the hatched yep outline style good old hatched ground plane people don't do hatched ground planes anymore that was all the rage back in the 70s and 80s hmm anyway here we go so today we're creating our zone I won't say polygon because polygon is a different thing isn't it and we've got our pull back I'm not sure the distance of that pullback with who cares it's good enough not not even sure what grid spacing I'm using where where is it it's down the bottom somewhere DX grid 1.27 50 mil cool and tada and there we go I assume we have to go back up the topic and I just right click and get out of it and it will complete tada there it is yeah yeah and it's already I I like that feature I like that feature there that it shows you that it's you know it hasn't bothered to filling that I guess it's kind of neat it's a little bit visually messy but I I do do appreciate that what's going on here what's going on here some silly buggers happening in there do they have like invisible pads or something in that footprint what's going on there hmm anyway it has joined there you go it has joined all those in there and why do we have an undoubted net Wow why do we have still have a few unrouted net connections maybe they're on the top side look if you will a few of these white lines the heart feature turned on it's called the love heart of death okay you can't set clearance between tracks of different classes really sorry I'm just going to ignore all all questions not related to what I'm doing sorry I I'm just a Adonis I tried all right try and hit B I did hit B and it just rebuilt what's it doing sorry I missed that loading zones a tree bird rebuilds the zone okay great all right so we have some something weird going on here no it's not weird it's obviously there's a reason for it okay so there's our low oh okay oh okay there's a couple of low ones which weren't connected no yes they are okay so they're there nothing do a VCC well hi this one here is look hi look H right so oh look at that look at that we have a dag I've got a dag we found it oh sorry I'm using the wrong scrolling thing and where where was it hang on uh I lost it there it is there we go we've got a genuine dag little little bit of track in there so it's going so if we did ADRC on this a design rule check it would say that you've got some floating copper I don't know what it would call it in kicad but you know that's basically it's it's floating copper it's unconnected copper so we want to kill that and our trace goes away so we're now I'm wearing out basically our our tidy up phase of our PCB let's assume that we had routed this and then we're in the point where we're just making sure all of the nets and where we've connected all the Nets we've got no one unconnected Nets you might at this stage do a DRC and you might get a report and you might put that on a second screen so that you have your report there and then you just go through and you might have 20 things that aren't connected because of that floating copy you had there or you know some other issue or something like that and you just go through and tighten them all up until you get a DRC zero DRC errors and then there's lots of other things before actually releasing your board but anyway why don't what why doesn't L come in here here is their I know because we're using a ground plane so it should work so ground and VCC yeah look why is it going oh is there another bit of dagi copper out here bottom copper yeah there we go another dag it's another dag that's that's left over that's um that is totally unsurprising because this no no it's not actually because they use zones and I just deleted the zones because this was originally a two layer board okay and they they would have filled in the copper the positive and negative rails on the two layers on the top and bottom layers as zones as feels and yeah look yeah well we've now we've now got a bunch of well don't a flip yeah we've now got a bunch of these see I've got a bunch of floating coppers so it's a bunch of DAG so even though I actually deleted those it it shouldn't have left little residual DAGs like that so that's that's really rather surprising you know there's another one down here alright so I don't know where these little residual DAGs came from isn't a big deal what is this what is this is this some sort of registration like you know test coupon mm-hm if so I don't really understand it okay that's that doesn't even match the trace width you know that doesn't even match the minimum trace width so I'm not sure what's going on there for those who don't know often you'll usually do this outside the board you usually won't do it on the board because it's just visual pollution is that well some people do and it's fine you'll have a test coupon goes by various other names but you'll generally put it on the outside of the panel and you'll put things like the the minimum tres with that your manufacturer can do so you'll put a couple of lines on there to set like minimum trace and spate minimum trace and space and stuff like that and you might put some alignment markers for you know you might put some silk screen over the copper for example and what you do that for is that when you get the board back from the manufacturer you can look at the test coupon and it's got all of the information in there you need to check the manufacturing quality of that board so you can see you can go so you put up under the microscope and you have a look and you can see the alignment of the layers you can you might pull back your copper there so you can see all all through the different layers and you can see the alignment of the masks that and everything solder mask your silkscreen top and bottom your copper early you know stuff like that whether or not they've overreached or under it you can get em in there with your micrometer and you can actually measure you know if you're you know fourth hour track is actually fourth hour you know what how much they're out by have they over etched the thing you know all that sort of stuff so it's common to add a test coupon for this board I don't care right we're not pushing the envelope here but if you were you know if you had a board that had you know you know three thousand hours or something you know you're really getting down there to like a real dense board then you'd maybe want that because especially if you've got a big large complex board and and you know everything's really dense you've got really thin traces you've got really fine pitch stuff that need really good alignment you know big you know mm pin BGA's and stuff like that that need real critical alignment on the solder mask and all sorts of things then you know a test coupon is absolutely vital so on a a professional board you would do that so that's just yeah that's just something that you'd something that you do so anyway there's another one we got one let's go around and get all the decks I'm getting used to this I'm getting used to it another dag oh no no I thought not that was a silver thought that was a silver that's a silkscreen thing or look naughty naughty I greater than 90 degrees bad design practice doc your days pay that's an older color your mine used to say if you did that I'd dock your day's pay it just goes back to the old the reason that you don't do that you have sharp angles like that it's not so much an issue these days because the process tolerance isn't like the the process controls are really good on manufacturing boards these days they're just stunningly good but you know back in the old days it well it's still the case this these days when the board is in there when the boards in the when the boards in the etch baths getting itched sorry I'm not good and the and the etchant you know they they use like a bubble edge so it's all bubbling around in there right so it's all swooshing around so the wind that when that acient or ammonium persulfate or ferric chloride I don't know if they use anything else in the industry they might might be some special mixture anyway it's all a jeté ting in there right so the swell of of the etchant in there when you got sharp angles like that it can sort of like it like builds up in there and it can etch more away so in theory you could actually get over a chin in that particular space there so that's why you don't want sharp angles like that you have 90 degrees or nothing and then a lot of people will say oh I don't even like 90 degrees because that's also and it's also called an a an etching trap or an acid trap and so if you've got really sharp angles like that all there all the etchant you know in theory can sort of like yeah even though it's only really thin right and it generally just washes over the top it does actually potentially etch away more of the tracing then if you've got really thin tracers you can get breakthroughs on your tracers or you know so it's it's really bad so that's called an acid trap or an etchant trap and so some people would think that even ninety degrees is an acid right so they'll put a filler then they'll put a chamb far right and and PCB packages will have shampoo you know options they shine for all of you though it will auto sham for your tracers for you you know and some people like like that look and I don't blame them you know it's pretty funky I'm you know I I probably went through it I feel it phase you know and and and the other thing is teardrops as well now that we're talking about this see like see the problem here is is this trace here right so coming down on the this is trace here right this is not this is not good layout right you don't have your trace coming down and then at an angle like even though it might be angling in here properly and it might be physically connected I don't like that kicad doesn't actually oh yeah look see that's really bad that that oh no no there it is it's hidden see I didn't like that that was hidden right so it's it's going to the center which is all great okay but then you've created the acid trap in there right it's it's just not good design technique to actually do that so I don't know if we can I don't know how to move you know anyway um yeah so that's that's not good layout practice to go like that so yep never enter basically never enter the the rule is never enter a pad at anything but 45 degrees or 90 degrees right in this particular case we're entering sort of like well we are entering at 45 but it's coming right down and touching it so it shouldn't it should have come down like that may be going in like that and then down so you know I didn't like it's just minor thing and then there's minor tidy-up things like this like you know if I was a piece of Eden Millay I'm a piece of it right but if I was laying in what I meant to say if I was laying out this board right I could not live with this right as a as a professional piece that I like I could not live with that I would have to tidy that up right so I dragged those flat like there's no reason to have them going like that there's no electrical reason why that's a problem okay it's not it's did it's visually so you know stuff like that but by the way don't be harsh on the on the guys who did this because it was their first rodeo this was like that they learned to use I think I believe they said that they learnt to use kicad this was like their first layout like ever you know and other things in there that's just going straight through that's really you know that's a bit how you're doing you know so they did really well for their first board ever here we go got more DAGs looking for DAGs another one I guess we should just do a DRC right anyway how many people we got these days where is where's the window how many people are watching run the DRC yeah it's it's not necessarily an and maybe it is an OCD thing but you know it's it's just taking pride in your PCB layout you know any professional PCB designer will have pride in their layout and you know just and I thought I saw another day you know how about having something as simple as that right would like just show that you show that you don't care you know and and like it wouldn't matter to anyone like it's just you know it's it's purely a self satisfaction thing but anyway they've they've done a pretty good job on this layout like it's it's their first time doing anything and I'm really impressed that they actually got the you know the the route and the placement and everything is really quite decent so it really is a good job oh yeah there's those other ah there's those other pads there you go yeah that explains that there you go mm-hmm oh what's that what's that mode that makes the makes kicad look like visually perfect or whatever what is the what if anyone knows what I'm talking about I I did it in the previous video and I completely forget yes yes the what you see is what you what you get mode yeah open G or press H I think that's it is it yeah no no see I want it to know o3o a 3d view ah no no no no no no no no I don't want 3d viewer press f11 if 11 does absolutely nothing no it's just like like it doesn't look like the real deal right view menu that makes sense drawing mode fill zone wireframe sketch fill zone sketch pads h-hi high contrast mode yeah I know that's the yeah no we've done that anyway right so how do I run a DRC design rules checker rules design rule or rules oh you can measure and listen it's groovy okay anyway whoa whoa it's my board all right design rules check out and I hang on interactive routing settings see hang on hang on I just want to try whoa look there's another another non right angle in there sorry I'm just I'm just around now I want to UM how do i tidy that up no I'd know I don't want to know I don't want to because no the whole idea of this doing this is so that it's exactly the same layout as before it's exactly the same I changed nothing so I don't want people going oh but you move the traces all right single layer pair scripting console so the Kapolei appears nice okay inspect design real checker how do we switch modes how do we switch from Imperial to metric metric to imperial can we do it inside ideas for Dragon tracers Thank You Vincent yep drag track keeps low yep it's in my cheat sheet there's drag item and drag trace yep drag item is G another blob of copper all right inches of myth so I can't do it within here see if I was inside out here might be able to hawk here be able to hotkey Imperial metric straight with inside the dialog box micro vias eyes anyway so left toolbar inches and millimeters yeah doesn't do it inside the dialog box you see I am actually sorry you can't see it cause it's under the chat window but I'm actually clicking on the millimeters and inches thing and which is fine but it doesn't reflect in the open dialog boxes so it may be that that's a you know it's a programming thing there we go inches Switzer give it to me in thous like seriously when you're doing DRC's kicad developers when you're when you're doing a DRC you're not working in inches okay you're working in thousand thousandth of an inch by having it displayed point double oh seven eight is ridiculous this should not be in inches it should be in thous thousandths of an inch okay that's just that's just silly that is absolutely silly please please please change that that's just insane right I don't want to have to be through multiple decimal places that's that's visually that's terrible Muriel please fix it anyway so we're talking you know seven point eight for those Imperial fanboys we're talking about seven point eight thou minimum track width and minimum via size of fifteen point-seven track widths where's where's our spacing like clearance by net our clearances by net class Wow okay right and we can't click on that Oh looking just go list unconnected pads or tracks unconnected items there you go pads 16 on FCU internal non copper can we just click on that yes there we go found our dag here you go found our tag so that was the unconnected thing how do we get back to our dialog OOP see our dialog box is gone that's that's no good I want my dialog box to stay open please like because if I've got this dialog box on another screen like you know I'm a professional designer and I've got my moly screens and I'm I'm you know doing the business right and I so I've got this thing like it's half off the screen so like on the other screen here okay so lists unconnected items there we go it didn't even did that not refresh see it popped up right maybe understandable but I go click on this right I want to jump to this and my download box vanishes why I want the dialog box open please I want it left open we've got another dag so it's finding all our tags which is good and yeah so it caused some unconnected items so items like like item it doesn't know what it is of course it knows what it is it's a track right it's gonna unconnected coppa it knows it's copper right so anyway thank you acted items but I guess and when you're doing D I say a bit you can do D arcy on silkscreen and soda by layers so you know you should go unconnected copper because it knows it's not an item it's copper unconnected count okay list unconnected we can redo it anyway there you go and takes us in I the thing is it doesn't zoom see it doesn't zoom right here's another thing alright if I'm out like this alright and I'm off off over here with the fairies right so I'm off over here with the fairies and I let's let's try this mmm design a real checker I'm sure there's a shortcut for that list unconnected why did that change oh no oh wow okay so it's centered the good thing is that centers look okay so that's nice that's that's nice unfortunately we don't have multiple ones anymore I could go in and create multiple ones just to show you but it every time you click on it so I assume if we had the list back here and we clicked on it it would move around but you notice it doesn't zoom in so I can't see diddly squat detail on that I shouldn't have to set the correct zoom level first and then you know do that like it should at least go to some manageable zoom some workable zoom level so that I can see the thing that's failing okay so now I've got to go in and now I've got to go like that alright to see it and when you've got a big list of stuff like this you want to have your dialog box off than the other screen you want to click on each thing and then you want it to like jump just jump around the board to see what all the errors are and stuff like that so yes key code developers please add that ability to do that okay so we're good alright so we're good least unconnected so got diddly-squat unconnected beautiful so everything's everything's hunky-dory so if we start our design rule checker pad clearances check clearances checking zone fills zone to zone clearances we don't have any of those because we're don't have multiple zones on multiple layers unconnected pads keep out areas test texts items on disabled layers finished and we're good yay in theory we can just go get it manufactured so now doo-doo-doo-doo know keep clicking the wrong thing to scroll around so anyway now we've got our like so that's our top copper here's our bottom copper and we've got our VCC plane and they're the thermal relieves look good no Walker's I can just see them sorry if you can't see them there you go so yeah no no problem whatsoever that's not going to cause a problem solder and wise you know we could I don't know well what's the thickness of those they're they're like 15th our traces 15th our fiora leaves can we know yeah how do i edit how do i edit my zone i can't double click on my zone why can't i double click on my zone help i have to click the edge of the zone what really ok even if there's nothing else even if even if i've got all the other layers turned off right whoa just slow down there for a second so even if i've got all the other layers turned off there's nothing else under here you're telling me that i can't double click on that that sucks that's just terrible muriel that is terrible right i like i cannot like even if you have multiple items there when you double-click on it it should pop up with a box and say which item would you like sir and it like yeah I think you know small things like this just you're no spit-and-polish um you know I like I'm I'm not saying it's bad right but it's it could be a lot better right to to have to go to the edge and select it like that just to get in there Oh see I can't even then how do I though pne's and how do i how do i edit my zone I've got my zone selected damn it sorry for edit I'm exactly pointing all these things out free and open source is terrible one one spit and polish yeah yeah well you know like it it takes a long time to get spit in polish mm-hmm e e for edit that makes sense I mean my cheat sheet my G she doesn't have easy on it you said some cheat sheet obviously all right there you go so did we actually find out what this is what the difference is tht thermal they actually doesn't look any different it doesn't look any different clearance minimum width ante paired spoke wits yes 20 cell yeah that's that's that that's allotted no geez no you can take that down to ten must be greater than the minimum width oh yeah fair enough it's just testin there you go a little bit thinner a little bit thinner 15th our 20,000 more relief that's pretty chunky you know so just for completeness you know for OCD reasons we'll we'll do that on our grant on our copper er now ground plane as well or out L bus yeah no workers yeah yeah 15 fare plenty plenty all right so we're good I should bloody save this shouldn't I haven't haven't crashed yet I don't what I really want to save as I just want to save for layer PCB yeah yeah happy with that just save it over the same file mm right yes yeah let's clearance real mean I walk is all right so I yeah we're uh we're probably good to go um you know I can do a lot more checking and stuff but really I think that is that is fine hang on a sec sorry just doing your regular programming will resume shortly sorry about that and uh what do we got Wow 637 people watching that's pretty good all right so where was I so yeah we're good - should be good to go cuz the whole idea is that I didn't want to touch anything didn't want to touch a thing except convert it to a four-layer PCB and I don't want copper on the top or bottom and don't want any copper feel because the whole idea for those who don't know the whole concept of this is that I want to show the difference in EMC in radiated emissions of a two layer board with ground fill top and bottom you know just like fill in copper everywhere in higgledy-piggledy against a solid ground plane and I think this could be a quite a good example of that so yeah you can get a better example but I'd have to manufacture I'd have to design a better example I just have this one to hand and I think it's good surpasses all the DRC's I think we're I think we're good to go geez we don't have much look at our poor vias there but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna change anything I'm gonna leave it right I would have had because you're risk a breakout there okay so your your annular ring around the annular ring around the via there right that I don't know I could go in there and measure it all right thank you there it is right there's inches I wish you could like toggle between inches and millimeters in in the dialogue box that would be really nice right and so we've case oh we've got a 23,000 sour drill at fifteen point seven sour drill so you know it's good enough right but anyway I I wouldn't that's not you know they did that just looks a bit thin II to me side anyway I'm not not gonna touch it the board's gonna be the same so let's so it's over good alright let's save that I don't think I have to do anything else like this is not a production board right I just that like this is a one-off I just want one right so I'm gonna so I'm not gonna fuss over other things I've done my DRC it's all connected it should work but it's a four layer board and yeah like and we don't have to worry about like other stuff like mate like you know actually connecting like the ground you know the 15 so oh look it's out of chamfers oh look you know pretty you know it's added the champers was it was that an option hey was that a secret option and it's ER and it's rounded them too in that groovy all right maybe that was an option in that polygon fill box anyway like stuff like you know like we're not talking high currents here so you know having for for traces at 15th our actually connecting through to the ground plane and everything else it's you know it's fine don't worry about it so we're good to go our 3d everyone wants a 3d viewer yes we should yeah before you get anything manufactured thanks for kind of reminding me we should actually have a look at the 3d view there you go because the the best thing about the 3d view is it's what you see is what you get you can see the solder mask expansion on the pads like you can see you know you can see that's about like I know you can test these in DRC but there's nothing like actually looking at what your board is going to look like right absolutely nothing actually let's just hang on so how do i how do I do that yet there we go that's how I do daddy it that's a technical term for Duden technical term do daddy in I just hold down the left thing so that that's all groovy you can see exactly what you're getting this there's no silkscreen on the bottom see exactly what you're getting how far can we go in can we go it into the layers like your canon out him there yeah a few little artifacts a few little render artifacts around there mm-hmm you quit open-source projects thank you stone cold seven you're my biggest fan yes I did addy I see it passed and anyway yeah so um groovy I was about to say we need to add some front side silk we need to add get rid of that pesky pesky copper so how do I place text Dave cared for Leia that'll do so I just know at a glance which board is what front side silk that'll do where should I put it here we go just whack it under there that'll do Dave cared for layer all right file save yep good to go all right yeah I won't die I'm knocking is this is not going to be a tutorial how to how to do a PCB the steps going through for getting your PCB made it's passed DRC for those who didn't see it it's passed DRC it's fine and there's no there's no unconnected jobs I like the fact that it has list unconnected as separate to the DRC it's kind of good you know I can say they are kind of different steps you know in in the check-in process after you've finished a board so kind of like that you know like a DRC will find unconnected stuff right that's I would I don't have any errors now but but I presume if we ran start DRC before with those floating coppery bits and stuff like that that you know it would have it would have picked those up let's try it huh place line trace not no front copper sorry I don't know like the key the shortcut keys for this you know it literally is alright nope no hang on oh no we're we're no way we're silk right now silk there we go I've got to select the correct layer mm-hmm sorry I'm what it's gone back to a silk layer select copper layer right we're on our copper layer place oh okay right because it knows it's a line instead of a trace that's why I also bit confused right because so it all it's so it knows that if I'm placing a line boom it jumps back to the nearest layer that has lines which should be the silk right because it's a non copper so that's interesting so how do I place my track track display mo what's track display mo what's K oh yeah right that's the thing I was thinking of before I thought there was another layer on top of that okay add new track X why is there no place track under there am I blind am I like I need to click that bug thing before I DRC is up there right okay right so X there we go beautiful all right so I've got our floating copper all right and net okay let's just put it to H right okay so God if we've now got our error okay blue that automatically comes up sweet ass no worries alright so if go to our DRC and we start our DRC ah they're different they're two different processes that's interesting so which I gave okay I guess it makes sense if you design real check it is your design rules it's not connection based thing but anyway yes so they've they've decide to separate those oh okay I've got no complain about that it was nice to check that okay so if we list the unconnected boom there it is right okay I've got no issue with that at all is curious to know curious to learn hmm alright hang on ah leave that leave that okay like for all the smarts in apparently you know it's all got the or you know whiz-bang super auto interactive auto routing and stuff like that it can't do a simple thing like straighten that trace right it should know that I'm being a Fanny fusspot and I've moved my cursor over to here it should know I intend to make that flat okay but it's just rigidly sticking to the rules in that to the snap grid it's just rigidly sticking to the snap grid and is there a way around that break the trace first no we don't want to break the trace first that's okay no no no this is no no this is just wrong no I should not have to break that trace and then rejoin it or whatever I should just be able to take that trace drag it and it should overrule can I do not shift oh now hold it down Knight oh no okay no it no it should know it should know that I want to straighten that up it knows where my cursor is right it knows where my cursor is it should know that I'm over that oh thanks for telling me that I'll join it straight across all right no I don't want to use X and draw a new trace no I don't want to change my grid size see no I'm sorry but as somebody who worked it out him and advised on this sort of stuff okay that was my job it out him is to advise on this sort of stuff is that this is not how a professional PCB designer wants to work okay a professional PCB designer to fix that does not want to have to break the trace they don't want to have to delete the traces they don't want to have to dick around with their grid size they don't want to do anything they want the software to know their intention and overrule the snap grid that's what they want to do okay yeah I know kick heads not out him and this is constructive feedback to the kicad team okay is that something simple like that can make the in and can make the routing experience much better right I've come into this package cold I know nothing about this package but as a professional PCB designer that's what I want to do a simple thing like that and you're forcing me to either break the trace or change my snap grid no wrong please fix it okay I mean this in the bit it's not criticism of I mean this in its constructive feedback to the kicad team what Richard asks a good question why did a professional PCB designer put tracers off-grid well I I didn't design this board but there are many reasons why you would do that because you're very often changing your as it when you're designing a board especially a complex one you are changing your snap grids and visual grids all the time you are changing them all the time for various reasons that I won't go into it like you're a mixing Imperial and metric component surface Mountain through-hole you're doing all sorts of other stuff you're working on high density stuff versus you know larger stuff like that and there's many reasons why you might have a grid traces off grid and stuff like that especially when you're doing interactive audio routing and stuff like that which won't you can overrule the grids and stuff like that so there's many reasons why you want to do that and so I should not be forced to have to change the grid to match that it's just dumb it should do it I'm sorry okay constructive feedback to the kicad team unless I'm completely wrong and then it's a way to do it but I'm sure everyone would be screaming at me if there was a way yeah no okay Glen fair enough you know submit my suggestions to kicad you know no mate like I what I might do actually is I might edit this video edit this livestream I've got a recording of it I can just download it and then just take out all the crap and just leave in my comments like you know stuff like that thanks James Jane sorry Jane says I'm right of course I'm right I know what I'm talking about no yeah it's just lower it enough oh okay you lower the grid enough but I shouldn't have - I shouldn't have to touch the grid that's the entire point it's the entire point and trust me anyone any professional PCB designer I guarantee you will agree with me I guarantee you anyone who's done any serious P large-scale PCB designed would absolutely agree with me that you shouldn't to change that grid is just like it's going to cause frustration in using the tool just draw a new one I don't want to have to draw a new one why should I have to draw a new trace that is ludicrous okay I should just be able to drag and tidy up this is a step in the PCB layout process is going through and tidying up stuff like this okay because you might have all these residual things left you might have these residual things left over because you've moved you know you've pushed and shoved or routed and you're moving all over the place and there's a final pass you're going through and you're just tidying up stuff like this and you know I did it should be trivial to do that and it's not okay and I know you might think it's trivial just change the grid size just delete the track in place and you want or just place a new track and it is totally beside the point okay trust me if you had this you and you saw the difference in productivity on a huge board that is thousands and components tens of thousands of traces and things that you have to tidy up as a professional PCB designer right it okay I can do this right well no I can't ah do I have to drag it what I'm trying to place a new track all right I'm doing the X thing ah there we go okay it took it got rid of it it's kind of groovy but it no anyway undo but I shouldn't have to place a trace I should just be able to drag it around see when I place the trace it was a run with ya it didn't even do the pickup okay does Oh I'll ask this does kicad have the ability to automatically pick the existing trace size from the trace I connected to see a professional tool would know that when I am at work you know it will least give me the option to have the ability to automatically pick the trace size and overall the car tray size to the tracker that I'm editing right because you know generally you do not want to make it to neck that down which is what it's called that's the industry term fee when you go to a thin trace to neck it down there is a button for that drop down trace sizes it can button at the top there's a button at the top display polar coordinates oh there's button at the top no button at the top sorry I'm so fancy you know I shave eyes and yellow man show tracks in outline mode high contrast display mode no sorry Auto track width is the button under the DRC button Auto track width when starting to is to use its width otherwise thank you it's got it it's got it okay okay so you've got to enable that okay that's groovy all right well done kicad nice that did it fantastic okay happy but I'm not happy that sorry I want to undo that but I'm not happy that it doesn't allow me to drag and yeah it does have features yeah I will stand corrected every time I have not used this okay this is literally the first time I've used kicad five literally I do I'm just you know add in my commentary as I go now try drawing a new trace from out for to under under red right yeah right now I get like we could go into this forever I don't know if I'm in OpenGL view mode push the lowest connection up should fix them all yeah but I want to drag just one I want I want to drag one how do you push how do you push and if it did push them then if there happened to be the same spaces it might work but then again it might not if they're a bit higgledy-piggledy kicad need to do what I mean mode look I'm not bout bad-mouthing kicad it's a very impressive and usable package okay III just want to make that clear from my just using it from her you know for the last hour and the previous time that I used it I I know as a professional piece interview now it's a very powerful and capable package there's just you know I just offer some constructive feedback in things drag but one is limited to the grid if dragging multiple will go beyond the grid okay Eagle D piggledy drag item or drag track keep slope yeah there you go there you go didn't say tada so yeah you know I just want the ability to be able to tidy up my work it's not my work but you know anyway not around right decide okay how do we generate goobers it's generated goobers sure there's probably a print board is that it print is print gobis or as print print generic options it looks like print print looks like paper print that is paper print can you PDF anyway export let's picture scan Jen CAD oh sorry I'm you go just have a look around so I can import spectra and XF can export spectra gencode VRML and step footprints association fabrication outputs footprint position your file footprint net let's fire a bomb okay plot now put Gerber's there you go alright site okay whoa sorry wrong screen alright so this is our go postscript SVG DXF Wow a PDF there you go yep that's it mm-hmm nice alright so generating our Gerber's you win our FC you love it VCC ground copper and now we don't have an adhesive layer don't have a paste layer we only have a top silk we don't have a bottom silk and solder mask front and back solder mask front and back solder mask drawings and edge cuts which is our board outline I think that's that's all we need pretty sure that's all we need that's all we need have a delivery hang on just delivery more micro counts okay now we've got copper VCC ground BECU does anyone am I missing anything drills is the button bottom button oh you can run run DRC from here that's handy yeah you should have already done that save reports generate drill files okay goobers what okay do we need to generate drill files first okay bottom right yep generate your files okay so we'll go to our layers we've got top copper inner planes bottom copper top silk there is no bottom silk we've got ours top and bottom solder mask that's all we need and our edge cuts edge cuts just weird names should be like board outline something like that edge cut so don't get that so generate your grill drill files okay we're gonna have excellent format inches doesn't matter your map file format okay and Meara why now we don't know absolute auxiliar we don't want an exhilarating no we want absolute decimal format suppressed leading zeros we're not fasting that precision to four that'll do it generates real fast I think all the defaults are good to go played it through a non-player through in single file I don't think we have any oh yeah there's five none there it is there's five non plated pads that's all right I'm not fast this is not a production board generating Gerber's Gerber's Gerber's by night yet no it created separate files there you go created plated through-hole and non plated through-hole nice all right so there our drill files and all right check the option to combine them as an option for that was it oh okay and in single file not not recommended only used for board houses which asks for merged um no I'd I always do up separate you want to do I'm separate the PCB manufacturers know like you don't have to muck around with that so anyway yep done all right so I've generated air drill files and then we it just plotted I expect it I'm expected it to ask something it just did it so our FCU gerber is created now VCC our ground I like how it how it names them that's good if silk F mask go about edge cuts it's all good I died I think we're probably done does it have a gerber viewer anyone Beulah anyone really PCB away asked for a combined why why can't they just do it why can't these to take both files and import them yes in viewer yes in the launcher blah blah blah blah blah okay so we're done closed closed okay so some someone said it's in the viewer alright let's go to the viewer goober viewer yeah there it is yeah don't know marques enable acceleration yeah okay we're in like Flynn all right here we go oh okay open Gerber files on the current layer so gotta open the door what's pretty rescue backup we can live pretty what Gerber's okay there we go it's creative them today so these are the original ones okay so we don't want those okay can we go for multiples yep yeah we good hey we're in okay can I delete all that whatever I don't think here we go scoop of yours all right isn't it does the business so look I'll just it's over later by default there you go does it have any like um any checking any desire or is just just a viewer yeah it's not a professional production tool and stuff like that it's just a viewer just fine show grid sketch polygon showed ego show negative objects Stern's yep get involved let's get involved contribute developers docs team alright so there you go that looks groovy okay it's showing the showing the outline here what does that come from showing the I didn't think that we printed didn't think that we printed the why it was got the sheet on there we didn't print a sheet or is there is that generated in the in just the Gerber viewer does that can someone tell me oh it showed the sheep before he imported Thank You Clayton all right yeah all right yeah huh I was just confused I didn't think that it was possible for it to do that there's no edge cuts inch cuts um I find that just that name fascinating so yeah the Gerber's look good they're all lined up we didn't goof anything and because you can goof it up with absolute origin versus you know yeah other reference so there you go and we won't check for our pullback like I said here's the important stuff okay you do not want this copper to go right to the edge because if you do especially no multi-layer board and especially given that the inner planes are usually on a prepreg a very small prepreg it's called very thin prepreg they're they're not usually quite thin actually together so when you saw the edge of the board off or route it off or do whatever yeah you can get the birds and you can easily short out your copper planes so huge trap many people have come a guts are on that one yeah so you want that you do not want that copper to go to the edge of the board so I rev 1749 and say that here you go oh look it's at it why is it why is it surrounded d29 d29 look at that yeah sure what's going on there hmm actually that what why is that not a the ped didn't look like that did it the ped didn't look like that in the PCB designer hang on what the Wow is that I said a goober a rendering issue goober command IDs yeah need to add more sharper sections or something high-quality slash low-quality oh okay is there a Z review thing user sir a high quality mode yeah not fast basically we just want to know that the you know the goobers are all lined up nothing looks out of place there's no it's no DAGs there's our VCC layer so I think we're think we're good to go I think we're done how long is this video being gone for by the way we over the magic two hour mark started streaming two hours ago yeah if it goes over two hours it takes you to taste longer the process anyway wait we're done that's it I should stop yapping now well that needs to be done in the PCB layout did I oh okay right that was actually at the PCB level was it okay PCB applied to use low okay so it occurred back in the PCB stage load low quality polygons for speed okay there's 1632 selection of how many segments on a circle okay Thank You Lucas key care does not seem to export circles on planes okay right cool alright thanks guys I I think I'm done I'm yeah I'll get this board get this board manufactured actually can we do this hang on hang up all right so that's that's the Garba viewer how big is the board sorry that's just my so finish this off let's go all the way with LBJ and how how big is the board can we can you give us dimensions anyone can it give us like inspect may I know we can measure but I want to see if it can do it from the cuts you know edge cuts is there like a board information thing display options so a board information and tool in the bottom right no yeah there's a measure tool yeah no I don't a measure the distance I want it to automatically give me stats about my board because it knows how big my board is it's got that edge cuts out line I want it to be able to tell me does it have that have been an ability that'd be nice I would like it to just tell me your board is X by X it's got 2,000 components and yeah yes place measure tool okay you know that looks like the only thing you can do all right nine point three I've got sorry I got to go to Imperial mode metric mode sorry so it can't snap I don't like that see it should be able to snap it knows I'm on the I thank you potato potato for your $10 super chat that's generous I love your videos I've learned so much I've been working with Eagle for about five years and just recently switched the audio and want to take my boys to the next level any tips I don't know I've done as I said before early in the stream I've done a but if you if you already have five years experience using Eagle but I've already done a video as part of my power supply design series laying out a board and I walk it's like walkthrough commentary laying out the board and I've got manufacturing design rule videos they're massively popular it's one of my most popular video it's got like 800,000 views or something it's huge I've done a couple of those but like there's at least part one in part two for the manufacturing design rules and stuff like that penalisation is a big thing part of a part of the production side of stuff you know penalizing things if you want to take your boards to the next level is integrate a test solution into them and I've done a video on that how to integrate tests into your boards like edge connectors so they can plug in test jigs and and test you know ten fifty boards all at once on the panel which you know so yeah maybe you know if you're if you're serious about it go get do the IPC certification course get a the cid certification I'm a CID certified PCB designer and I think so yeah they often run in depends where you live and stuff like that but they're not cheap but if your company can pay for it maybe they've got a training budget trying they have to spend the early training budget if you're doing PCB design at work I would highly recommend the CID course for example how do you know the size of my board 9.25 by 6.25 yes so those things I recommend to take your piece of be designed into the next level is knowing about production knowing about you know things like that anyone can lay out a board right but you know to do to know about getting boards manufactured and tested and things like that with the utmost efficiency that's where the value-add comes in for a professional PCB designer Oh potato potato you're a 16 year old really is there a night no I don't think there's an age limit the whole happily take your money it's it's it's not cheap it's not cheap it's like a like it's a multi-day course it's a professional multi-day course it's not going to be cheap I forget but yeah at sixteen okay yeah all right well that's a different that's a different thing you you wouldn't do it at sixteen probably unless you find someone to pay for it for you oh you did thank you be up stick you're the one who sent me the files thank you of course you know right I don't inches what's adding millimeters what's 30 millimeters doo-doo-doo-doo-doo alright let's go over here this will be the final thing for the day let the way okay dimensions aren't a what was it nine point two five by six and a half was it nine point two five by six and a half six point twenty five note nine point two five by six point two five nine point two five by six point two five inches for layers quantity just need one least expensive color yeah this is go least expensive color what can we get this for silkscreen just on the top I don't need bottom cheapest finish yeah give me a cheapest ask finish possible no that gold flash rubbish okay board thickness yep standard board thickness two mill oh really you can't even go above like you kind of got a two point four or anything you can't do any thick if you do dad boards its shame one ounce copper six mill trace and space I think we're ten mill lower where tenth hour or something but I'll just leave it by default whatever like eight I don't know I don't know what the design rule thing in this one was minimum drill size no one does drill sizing mmm inches rubbish anyway I just leave it by default gold fingers no we don't have any gold fingers number of designs separated only by silkscreen quality certifications now we don't want any of that rubbish my quality certified yeah China versus Taiwan pcbs ding-ding-ding find it out yeah yep no we don't need a stencil don't is stencil from way through hole design ship to Strahl yeah all right here we go ship to australia board arrives in default time get prices here we go mm yep yep yeah want the cheapest ass finish mm-hmm I don't care if it's LED or not then they're not gonna give you a led by default I'm gonna give you lead-free PCB way some of these are spammers in fact probably most of them at some stage I should know I know and spit some of them PCB way of spammed jlc PCB I think they've spammed as well all PCB a year no doubt I think yeah they've all tried to span the forum make sock sock puppet account so don't know what it is with PCB Chinese PCB suppliers they're like I don't know they're just obsessed with making sock puppet accounts Thank You Dark Matter for your super chat ok Aussie box here we go China Post 45 days 234 bucks whoa that's jlc PCB this is what I found last time the cheapest prize oh it's an advertisement for PCB way okay sorry yeah PCB way have paid to get right up the top of the list yep so the tab but otherwise that they're sorted in price yeah look at this yep yeah so it's anywhere up to do this seven hundred bucks advanced PCBs in the US but they they're gonna do a good job and they're gonna turned around quick breadboard killer in Australia 600 bucks cuz they're there they're good for like little boards little tiny that's their thing but this is a big board see people think PCBs are cheap and well they are compared to when I was a boy but you know because people make everyone does little bloody ads we know e things these days this is a decent sized board all right this is a real PCB alright so like even even dirty PCBs people think they're the cheapest on the planet right it's a like a lot of dirty piece of beef and boys for example fashion oh yeah are you here a lot oh you dirty PCBs get a piece of me for a dollar you know he's practically free or whatever yeah three hundred and eighty eight bucks right because they're their whole process is set up to manufacture to their entire business model relies on the fact that they can fit 50 different designs on their one panel this big you know it once caught a panel this big and they yeah and new and you come along smartass come along with your big-ass piece of eel like this that takes up most of the panel and they're gonna go screw you you know it's gonna cost money so but check this out I mean this is insanely cheap jlc PCB easier a da they have they're the ones who have that online easy EDA thing but they also have a piece of B service I don't know if they do it themselves I like them I don't they farm it out I'm not sure but anyway it's insane eighty seven dollars fifty and I get 5 of them 5 I get five boards of nine inches by six inches for layer four eighty seven dollars that is insane when I was doing like you know it's like for me to get out there ten years ago to get a four layer board manufactured just one probably would have cost me a thousand bucks this is insane insanely cheap so yeah it I'm going to use I think I'll use jlc PCB you know and 24 days I can get did DHL Express 100 and of course I'm gonna get go DHL Express right for the extra 10 bucks or whatever 13 bucks you damn straight because I got a DHL dude that comes here everyday and I'm gonna get my boards in nine days in nine days five of them for $87 4-layer large that is just wow wow you young whippersnappers these days you have no idea how good you have it with your online bloody shopping and your and your super dupe cheaper cheap-ass PCBs and your Mouse's and your digi keys and and everything else it's just it's ludicrous that is nuts anyway so there you go so that's it so I'll probably use them I won't go through the process of getting it made now then will I will after this I'll have a live stream so that's it thanks everyone for joining me I'll call it quits there and yep now get off - Lorne yeah yeah that's crazy that's just nuts unbelievable and hopefully and they see the video I do hopefully I'll get probably at about 50 bucks in ad revenue from the video unless it goes gets very popular you know so it almost pays for the boards you know to get made no worries thanks Adrian yeah I kind of pay it yeah I kind of and I probably probably get around to I I want to do like a demo board I actually design a demo board and then actually go through and get them made and have like a PCB manufacturer shoot out but unfortunately it's one of those videos that doesn't that that dates right as soon as I release it six months later it's just not may not be completely you know may as well delete it from YouTube because it's useless you know please do more of these streams oh no worries potato potato mm-hmm yeah I haven't watched all the jlc factory - on Stranger parts yet I saw that it was there and I did watched a minute or two here or there yeah yeah Jael CPCB claimed to be the biggest PCB prototype house in China and that's a big-ass claim so yeah yeah I'm not going to bed what is it midday not says it's 11:00 a.m. Sue's it's laughing at you hang on Sue's is over there say hi Suze there you go alright so ah enjoy the rest of your day today thank you very much thanks guys thanks for joining me yeah you're a bit late to the party he just came in as bye how many people did we end up getting watching the livestream how many still 548 I think we hit like eight eight hundred watching or something she isn't too bad it's all right cool alright thanks everyone catch you next time

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Length: 133min 23sec (8003 seconds)

Published: Tue Aug 21 2018