Literally The Killer Combo - even for my 11900K (RIP)

[Music] hi and welcome back to a new video and today maybe also a more extreme video well not in regard of extreme cooling we're not doing ln2oc it's going a little bit in the extreme direction with the updated version of the ek tech cooler which we have right here we have a very extreme memory kit obviously we're going to take a look at this further more in detail in a second and also about the best cpu and main board combination you can possibly get for a c590 even though c590 might already be at close to the end of its life that's probably also the time where you can find the best boards and the best memories and probably also the best cooler combination available the first main decision will be the platform aka the motherboard and there we basically have three choices starting off with the asus z590 apex you know this board from me because i used it several times before pretty happy with the board the main and the most positive aspects about this board is first of all availability second price because you can basically get this everywhere if you want to second choice would be the c590 tachyon from gigabyte the board which we're going to use in today's video definitely one of the best boards for c590 available if it's available the third option would be the c590 dark from evga unfortunately i don't have this board so i cannot put it here on the table but it doesn't but it doesn't matter anyway because we're focusing on the tachyon from gigabyte today see sonic the heart of your system just by looking at the c590 tachyon from gigabyte the first time you will already notice that this is a board you cannot compare with your average c590 board as i said before it's somehow comparable to the c590 dark from evga and also the c590 apex from asus starting off with the vrm of the board we have 11 faces just for cpu vcore those are 100 amps power stages for the cpu which is in the end just still a marketing number but i can tell you from my testing that no matter what you're going to do if it's ln 2oc if it's 2470c with water hardcore this vrm will be sufficient for everything you will try you have dual 8-pin eps connectors which will go to the cpu voltage supply and yeah i mean for average testing or for like pre-testing even for moderate overclocking on air water whatever only one eight pin eps is up absolutely sufficient but if you go for like very hard corrosive you should definitely consider to populate both both are also using solid pins which will be better for contact which allows to handle more current on the connector itself obviously it's a one dim per channel motherboard which allows best signaling quality for the memory to the cpu one the input channel allows the memory slots to sit closer to the cpu and you have less interference which is great but then in the end it also allows only to use two memory sticks we will have a very good memory kit which we're going to test obviously in today's video if you were lucky enough to grab one of these for your daily use then the i o area might be relevant to you first of all we have wi-fi we have ethernet we have one usb type a here usb type c six times usb type a hdmi in case you want to use the igpu and we also have ps2 in order if you want to run windows xp you have dual ps2 for mouse and keyboard on top we have two buttons which might be relevant also for you for oc well the right one the q flash button you might already be aware of and that's also not that much oc relevant it's just very handy if you want to flash your bios without the cpu being present in the slot or if something went wrong in the previous flashing attempt then just plug in the usb in the back and then you can use this to flash your bios and then we also have the oc ignition switch right here i remember very well that the oc ignition switch already led to a lot of support requests for average users back then i think it was c97 when the oc ignition switch was already present and it sometimes happened that people accidentally press the button maybe during system assembly and this basically cuts off the power supply for the board it will look like your system is still running because the psu will still be switched on but your cpu is cut off from power and that's very helpful for ln2 debugging it's helpful for a lot of reasons for example if you run ln2 at very low temperatures sometimes it's just happening that your cpu doesn't like the temperature you have to heat up and at the same time you usually want to have fans sitting around your cpu ln2 container which is blowing up air basically it's trying to remove the cold air from the board trying that the cold air will not go down on your board causing a lot of condensation causing a lot of ice building up and if you have any issue and your main board is shutting down usually your fans are also shutting down and if you need more time for debugging or working on your system at in in the meantime then you can just push the oc ignition button and your psu will still run it will cause your fans to spin and you have more time for debugging and less hassle with condensation ice building up at the same time a lot of people are for example also using heating elements elmore is selling those kind of heating elements if you want to check out elmore labs shop then you will know what i'm talking about so those are heating elements you can for example put behind your gpu behind your mainboard socket and those heating elements are basically hitting the back side of your pcb for less condensation and less ice building up if you hook up this heating element to your normal psu if there is an issue your system is shutting down the heater is also shutting down so you can either hook up the heater to a second like second psu you have sitting next to it or you use the oc ignition switch and keep the heater element running while you're debugging one more thing that sets apart the tachyon from everything else is this entire area right here first of all starting off with the sata ports which are in a very weird location if you just look at this from a pc building perspective but these sata ports are connected to this should be this other controller yeah this should be it and this sata controller is windows xp compatible which the rest of the sata ports down there which are connected to the chipset they are not compatible to windows xp but some of the benchmarks on hw what you still want to run on windows xp and that's where you can use those other ports for some words regarding the buttons which might also be very handy especially for ln20 well first of all start button not much to add to that reset button also very clear then we have well the clear cmos button which clears your bios if something went completely wrong and you will not be able to fix it for example with the safe mode because if you're stuck during boot and you do not want to lose your bios settings you press the gigabyte calls this limp mode you might be familiar with this from asus they call it safe mode it's basically the same thing then the reset switch and then there is also the retry button so if you just want to reapply your bios settings and try if it works the second or third time then you hit the retry button obviously we have a ton of measurement points for like v core v dim pch whatever then we have some additional buttons those are for adjusting the cpu ratio i have to add like judging from the past at least i didn't try this on the tachyon so far but in the past those never worked or you had to install some weird software which often also wasn't working so maybe i have to still try that at least a and b are very helpful you can use those to store different bios presets on a or b basically if you restore your bios with the clear cmos button you can then press a or b to load up a bios profile before you enter bios the a and b buttons for example might be very helpful if you change your outside conditions so for example you spent two days debugging your memory you found the best and perfect stable running memory settings and then you want to start extreme overclocking it might not even be ln2 overclocking it could also be dry ice or you're just running a chiller at minus i don't know 10 degrees celsius this already changes how the cpu behaves how the memory controller behaves and sometimes you need to have different voltages just to make sure that your system is booting up this is also why you typically have the ln2 mode which is also present on one of those bottom switches then you flip the ln2 mode switch which is applying additional voltages to the cpu which helps the cpu to boot up even at like minus 160 degrees celsius and that's the same what you can do with the a and b switches you can load up your own definition first like raised voltages whatever voltages that might be then you hit the a and b button load up your profile and this might help you debugging might help you to boot your system in a better way and that's also the reason why you typically have the retry button and that's not only related to the tachyon board but also the apex board and everything else that comes with the retry button it's typically because you maybe figured out some settings on like ambient temperature and then you're cooling down and things don't work anymore and then it could be that your memory controller behaves worse or behaves better on lower temperature and that's something you can debug with the retry button so for example um you try to apply a setting which is too much for the memory controller and you're maybe sitting at minus 40 degrees celsius and then you're cooling down in like 10 degrees celsius steps and every 10 degrees celsius you're trying the retrieve button see if things improve and then at a certain temperature you may be figured out hey at minus 120 things are working again because the memory controller is cold enough and that might apply to even like the core or like cache whatever that's what you can do with the retry button now let's go over to this very impressive memory kit which is a trident c royal elite kit 4 000 megahertz c14 32 gigabyte dual channel kit so this kit seems like it's the final breath of what you can squeeze out of the b die ics at least it's a very strong bin from g skill four thousand megahertz c14 might also be the best combination for either intel or amd it doesn't matter much because both of the desktop platforms have this region between the 3600 and 4000 megahertz where you have this change within the memory controller for intel it's changing between year 1 ratio and gear 2 ratio and for amd it's running with the linked and unlinked mode both are roughly between thirty six hundred and four thousand megahertz so up to four thousand megahertz if you're happy enough to have a very strong memory controller then you can utilize the full speed of 4000 megahertz c14 and for example if you can only maintain to run like 3 800 37 33 maybe then you can just run even tighter timings but overall that is a very very impressive bin when it comes to the design i mean that's just subjective i'm not that much a fan of this like clear diamond thing on top but some people like it some people don't obviously our 1100k will also need sufficient cooling because you know those things consume a lot of power and tend to run hot that's why we have this autofocus friendly packaging which is entirely black from ek but you can read it ek quantum x delta tech cooler we already featured the tech cooler once but that is an upgraded version with an improved and stronger peltier element tech element i'm not going over every detail again because we already featured this cooler in a previous more detailed video but basically it's a tech water block which means that i mean first of all it's a water block with a ton of surface area inside which is required because there is attack element sitting inside you can also see there is a power cable so it require requires additional power to run the block and there is a temperature sensor actually if we turn this around if we try to take off this form well it's kind of difficult to remove this like i don't know silicon like gasket thing anyway this part is to seal off the cooler from the main board basically to prevent or minimize a curing condensation because this area right here can reach lower temperatures than ambient and that's due to the peltier element the tech element which is sitting like right in this thing right here so between the copper plate right there and the copper blade on the bottom you can just can see this strangely structured thing sitting in between that is attack and attack allows the block to reach well in theory lower temperature than ambient on this surface area to cool the cpu then we have the typical accessories for mounting we have some additional form for the back plate and then we have all the electronics to regulate uh the tech first of all this goes to the psu for power supply of the tech and the whole controller right here you hook up the controller to this right here and then there's the temperature sensor going there the reason why you would typically mount this right on top of your block is that the dew point regulation will be as accurate as possible because this allows to run colder than ambient but just right right above the new point which allows to run colder than ambient but without condensation and this regulation is only possible if this is like sitting as close as possible to the warm source but if you put this for example behind the mainboard tray where you would have colder temperatures then the dew point regulation might be affected and might not be as accurate all right going to assemble everything and then we will be back one thing that's also quite unusual about this board is well first of all if you take a look at this from a mechanical point of view you will have four times x16 mechanical slots but if you check the electrical wiring to the slots the first one is only x4 and it's also quite unusual that the top one is connected to the chipset which is it's just an extreme overclocking thing typically if you just run 2d benchmarks like cinebench super pi whatever you would hook up your like small vga to the chipset which makes benching a bit easier and that's what we're going to do to put it to the top slot with x4 otherwise the cpu cooler memory kit everything is mounted the only thing which is still trash about this water block is that the usb port is just on top like right in your face if you mount this in your system this will not look nice the rest of the connectors on the side is ok but this on top is not good everything assembled and as you can see it's also running i started off with some reference runs with ada64 and sim range are 20 everything is pretty much stock i mean just loaded the xmp profile with 4000 c14 which is i think already quite impressive and just judging by the clocks of the cpu you can see that this is basically running stock but it's also good to see that we can see 5.3 gears boost consistently ada64 62 000 in read and write which is already quite impressive for just loading xmp profile and keeping everything else stock judging by the temperature in hardware info you can also see that the cryo cooler works well at least at some point we also had a core temperature of zero degrees celsius which is quite good maximum however was 82 degrees celsius on stock so i'm not sure how much headroom there will be once we do manual see across all cores and the first reference one on r20 was 5800 points which i think is a bit low but i'm considering that there was still a lot going on in the background should be kind of okay you can absolutely tell that this updated version of the ek cryo cooler or ek quantum cpu block is definitely an improved version over the previous one i mean if we look at cpu package power draw during the cinemand r20 run it is 300 watt continuous load i mean obviously the temperatures are not great i mean it's still like 86 87 88 degrees celsius and the peak that was from the german video 93 degrees celsius was the highest we had in the previous run but still that is a very very high power draw i'm very curious to see what kind of temperatures we will achieve during gaming loads for now the cpu is manually overclocked to five gigahertz across all cores which you can see and the memory kit is manually overclocked to 4400 c14 daily stable and that's almost 6200 points those are the settings i used so far i'm going to increase cpu clock to 5.1 to see if that will work out 5.2 definitely did not work out so it's it's not a great cpu but i mean that's just gambling and bad luck in this case the memory is clocked to 4 400 megahertz i mean 4400 c14 which we can see if we go to the memory timings can take a look at the timings which are set and also all the sub timings which are set a lot of people always ask me how to do this in the end the easiest way is to just set everything manually and try to put them as low as possible compare read and write rates in ada64cu what's affected so you were stable and not but you can probably use this as guidance if you have a very similar kit try to reproduce this maybe lower down your memory speed first and before you apply those timings vcore 1.41 previously at 1.39 and slightly increase this in order to maybe run 5.1 memory voltage is also fairly high 1.76 1.55 is stock for this kit which is already quite high but that's still okay for the cpus 1.76 should also work obviously there is always a risk involved but yeah we're going to talk about that in a second vccio 2 and system agent also had to be slightly increased for the cpu to be able to run higher memory speeds on the imc if we keep in mind that those settings are stable for daily use that's quite impressive 66 000 read three thousand right sixty thousand for a copy and below fifty uh nanoseconds for latency it's really quite awesome end result in cinebench r20 with a tweak memory and also tweaked cpu we can reach 6400 points in our 20 with 5.1 gigahertz and 4400 c14 on the memory and just for your reference this is a result you would typically get with like a 3200 c18 kit which is just an average memory kit it's not the slowest but it's just very very average and we are about 20 000 megabytes behind in read and write and also the latency is much slower in cinematic r20 it's not that easy to show such differences between memory kits especially if you're not running the cpu that much on the edge and especially if you're also not running a very tweaked os then you also have a certain like fluctuation between the runs and then it's not that easy to tell a big difference within the runs from going from a very tight memory kit to like an average memory kit while the test results are quite impressive especially with those extremely bin ddr4 kits from g-skill it takes a lot of time obviously to prepare such setups and also test every memory configuration that was obviously not done today within one hour so several days of testing and actually all those results and preparation were done with a different cpu it was done um with this cpu and i mean it's written in german but the cpu is dead and that's something that just happens i can just tell you that in what condition the cpu was running while it was dying but um it's not unusually high i would say i mean v core was 1.37 volt which is fairly normal i mean that's a recoil you're also seeing on on auto vccio and sa were quite high 1.6 volt but that's still in the reach region where you could say for testing that's still okay if your temperatures are all right typically for 24 7 i would set the max to 1.45 for io and sa voltages so we are rather high in those um vdm was 1.76 but that shouldn't be the impact or the reason why the cpu is that also just because vccio and sa are 1.6 volt and it's a high voltage it doesn't mean that the cpu died because of the voltages it could also be that the cpu had an issue in the first place and it just died in right that moment like this was the final thing to kill it that's always something you have to keep in mind just because one single cpu died in one certain situation you can never tell what exactly the reason was for the that of the cpu but that's something that just happens luckily i mean i'm just going to be fully open for your honest that's the cpu i got for launch from intel so i didn't pay for it so it doesn't hurt me that much just things that happen if you're like a reviewer if you're testing a lot then sometimes things just die i mean that's that's what happens and um could be worse that's why we did um everything again with the 1100 kf and not the k but all of that was also fine apart from that the tachyon board is a great board like just from how it works with retry and just debugging everything was beautiful i absolutely enjoyed it seems like she also enjoyed it all right but the last thing i want to test is the gaming scenario because right now the temperatures were not that special not that great seems like she is dropping something off the table again anyway regarding temperatures because we're also using the ek tech cpu water block the reason why we're not seeing the best cpu temperatures ever might also be related to the fact that i'm only using a 360 radiator which is not the biggest surface area especially considering that we already have 300 watt power draw from the cpu itself and you have to add up this the attack power draw on top right so it's maybe a bit much power draw for only a 360 radiator and i was actually planning to run this with the mora from watercool but to be honest i forgot to order it so we might have to repeat that if you're interested otherwise i'm just going to change the vga going to change it to some rtx 30 series card to put some more load on the cpu and then we're going to check out some performance data and also temperature data in a gaming scenario by the way right here i have an example like the perfect example situation why the retry button is also a very nice feature so i was running cinebench and i was doing some further testing and as you can see it was completely unstable right when i pressed start button on cinebench it immediately froze well i actually just had the same situation before and then reset wouldn't work anymore because it was such a hard lock that even reset wouldn't work anymore and then i had to press retry and it was working now obviously it just rebooted thanks for a perfect harmony within our system we already had the first product with a trashy cable management and then we have the second product with also garbage cable management 380ti i still hate this connector right here so yeah i already thought that this could be an issue because 38dti overclocked manually 11900k with tack cooler and right here i'm running a sonic 850 watt psu which is a great pc i've been using this for a very long time also for a lot of my testing but 850 watts i already thought that this could be on the limit bye psu so a gentle upgrade to ax 1600i that should be sufficient for everything what you're running one more thing i would like to add is you could probably see already that i added a fan on the memory modules because already yesterday when i did my testing i figured out that running 4400 c14 at a very high memory voltage at a certain point the memory modules are getting quite warm and whenever they're getting too warm the system gets unstable so if you add the fan and they're sitting probably at like i don't know 35 40 degrees celsius everything is fine but without the fan at a certain temperature it will become unstable as you can see running some gaming benchmark well pubg right now just a pubg arcade to get you some ideas of temperature and also the possibilities of the cryo cooler because if you pay closer attention to the cpu you will see that the cpu is staying very cold with the cryo cooler somewhere between like 45 and 50 degrees celsius and that allowed the cpu to also run a higher frequency we can now run 5.2 gigahertz whereas with the very high load of cinebench r20 we could only run 5.1 gigahertz both the tachyon and also the g-skill memory kit are both very impressive when it just comes to the raw performance and also how they react it's very fun to play with those components especially the board is great i really cannot complain about it it's a lot of fun to play with the board the features are awesome but those are also features i personally would never put such a such a main board in like a 24 7 system even though you could definitely do it and probably tweak your system like one percent better than with some of the other high-end boards but then it's still kind of a waste to put the board with such impressive features inside the 24 7 system same goes to kind of the cryo cooler the cryo cooler to me is a fun tool to play with like at the weekend if you're trying to do some benchmarks for example you want to do i don't know single core validation 32m runs which is also just a single threaded load then it might that might make sense to use such a cooler which can maintain lower temperatures than what you would be able to achieve with a normal custom water cooling loop at the same time if you're running a very strong custom water cooling loop with like a mora i don't know 9 120 millimeter fans then for multi-core and very heavy loads you might be able to achieve better temperatures than with the cryo cooler because at a certain i don't know load above 300 watt the cryo cooler is not capable of dissipating the heat anymore of like 11 900k the heat output of the cpu will simply be too high and in that case it might make more sense to just run a very strong custom water cooling loop otherwise like for lighter loads gaming scenarios you could use it personally to me the power consumption for a daily use would be too high i don't see how it would be justified to run 100 megahertz higher and at the same time have a constant higher power draw between 50 and 150 watt to me personally that would be just too much for a memory kit it's also very impressive but it's also very expensive it's basically the same thing you can run 4400 z14 which is very tight and very very fast but at the same time as i said before when i checked this kit like two or three weeks ago when i got it it was about 500 euro and for 32 gigabyte that is a hefty price and you will have to think about if it's really worth to invest in such components especially for daily use i mean if it's for benching i can totally justify it i can totally understand that you would get everything that's right on the edge and what gives you the best performance if you're participating in competitions and stuff absolutely not going to argue about anything for 24 7 i would probably not get any of these components simply because the price is too high you can get very similar components well you can get very good components also for like half the price which will be also decent for 24 7. but those would be like the ultimate components you can get for c590 so if you're looking for that that's probably the recommendation all right thanks for tuning in see you next time bye [Music] you

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Published: Sun Sep 05 2021