[Let's Talk About] Integrity & Accountability

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welcome to tonight's special webinar we'll be talking about integrity and accountability you know over the recent years we have experienced and seen multiple well-respected christian leaders succumb to moral compromise and failure and you know it can be really tempting to jump up and point fingers and condemnation but you know these instances actually beg us to pause and reflect on our own susceptibility to moral failure and sin and therefore regardless of whether you're a christian leader or whether you are leading a growing vibrant christian ministry this subject is relevant to all of us it makes us pause and go hey what about me what can i do to make sure that i guard my life and make sure that i don't fall into sin and live a life of righteousness and so you know i'm really excited for tonight's topic is going to be super interesting but more importantly it is super important and relevant to all of us now before i pass this time over to pastor benny there's a couple of things that i want you to let you know about as we start this webinar now if you've been to one of these webinars before you know the drill but you know it's been quite a while so let me go through it again um these webinars are awesome because they allow us to have a conversation uh most importantly you get to ask questions which is amazing so if you look on your screen you'll see an ask a question button you can click on that and ask a question at any point you can there's some even right now and throughout the throughout the event you can ask a question there and you can even vote for a question that you like to be answered the more votes the question gets the more likely it will be answered and addressed throughout the night however as many good questions as as we have we unfortunately have so little time therefore we'll try our best to answer every question but reality is we probably won't be but hopefully we'll be able to get through a lot of them so tonight we are so glad to have pastor benny to share some words of wisdom and also his insights from scripture about this really important topic so over to you pastor benny thank you good evening everyone and thank you very much for joining in tonight and this is an important subject of integrity and accountability and i just want to be able to share some thoughts with you some of the things that i process and at the same time give us hopefully some practical handles in which we can build some level of accountability into our own life so can i just invite you to join me in a word of prayer and then we're going to begin father i thank you tonight that we can have this opportunity just to wrap our heads around this important subject of integrity and accountability and i pray that lord jesus tonight you will speak to us even as we speak to one another so we commit this time to you now in jesus name amen amen now some time ago i was actually traveling on a flight from melbourne flying back to perth and along the way the pilot made this announcement over the intercom and this is what he said he said we'll be delayed for 10 minutes but the important thing is that we'll get you to perth on time and this is my promise to you at this point of time when he said that i was thinking to myself you mean your promise can change over time and i think that exactly is the problem uh with modern society that we can make a promise and then not keep it you know uh that's the reason why a couple can make a marriage vow before god and then we break it over time uh a businessman can sign a contract and then he rescind on it over time a mother can declare false information to centrelink just to get some additional benefits an executive can put his own personal expense onto the company credit card and then claim it as business expense or you can take an employee that uses company time to actually do his own personal stuff and get away with it now people make promises and never really fulfill them we make deals and we don't keep them we sign agreements and then we break them and we all know that when promise keeping can no longer be counted on then society can no longer be safe and here's my point without integrity there is no safety without integrity there is no safety in first chronicles chapter 29 verse 17 i like what it says here he said i know my god that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity can i read for you one more time i know my god that you test the heart and you are pleased with integrity when god tests our hearts what is he looking for integrity and integrity is not just an outward action but it's really an inward disposition of the heart integrity is not just what we do but it's really who we are and that word integrity in first con first chronicles 29 really is a hebrew word yoshi which actually means uprightness god tests our heart and he's looking for uprightness so what does integrity really look like let me try to make it as practical as i can what does integrity look like i think a man of integrity is one who has established a system of values and in our case biblical values that governs him consistently see and the end result of that is that our behavior become consistent with our beliefs so if i say that i have integrity it means that my walk and my talk actually matches up i practice what i preach i lift out what i proclaim i am in reality who i appear to be i'm the same person whether in private or in public i keep my promises i honor my words i'm i say what i mean and i mean what i say there is now coherence between who i am what i do and what i say no now i have coherent i'm an integral person so i have integrity so integrity is who we are and what we do when no one is watching and i like this thing integrity is who we are and what we do when no one is watching the way the late dr billy graham put it is this integrity is the glue that holds our way of life together so without integrity our way of life will collapse my biblical model when it comes to integrity will be daniel in the old testament so what i'd like to do today is just to spend the the first 10 minutes or so 15 minutes just to outline what integrity looks like through this person of daniel in the old testament before we talk about accountability and then i want to share with you some very important uh reflection uh that with regards to this topic okay now daniel was born in a royal family in judah and we all know that but he was taken captive to babylon by king nebuchadnezzar so that was the backdrop so in daniel chapter 1 verse 3 to 4 it describes this then the king ordered espanaz the chief of its officials to bring in some of the sons of israel including some of the royal family and of the nobles yous of whom was no defect who were good-looking showing intelligence in every branch of wisdom endowed with understanding and discerning knowledge and who has ability for serving in the king's court and he ordered him to teach them the literature and language of the babylonians now the babylonians were hoping that through this process of brainwashing through this process of re-education they could transform daniel from a humble jewish kid into a sophisticated babylonian leader and that's why they even changed his name to better yoga uh and that name belta saja in the babylonian language actually means prince of bel uh so outwardly they were hoping that they can change his name to suggest that he was a disciple of bell or ba'a'al but deep down inside daniel had the integrity of heart to remain a servant of the living god but daniel was not working for some kind benevolent institution where people come before profits and relationship comes before results not nothing like that like many of us i think he was working in a dog-eat-dog marketplace environment so the question is this can integrity be practiced in a harsh environment like this it's honestly still the best policy do nice guys always finish last so that was the the big question but daniel in in the biblical account of daniel it shows us that honesty is still the best policy and nice guys can still come in first not by might not by power but by the holy spirit now how did it happen in daniel's case now daniel had a fantastic career actually in the palace in that he was not only the darling of his boss the king but he also had the envy of all of his colleagues now in daniel chapter 6 verse 3 we were told that daniel distinguished himself amongst the administrators and said traps by his exceptional qualities that the king planned to set him over the whole kingdom so because of his exceptional ability the king was about to make him rule over his kingdom so how do you stop a political opponent one of the best ways to do it discredit him right just dig up his dirt uncover his dirty little secrets and that's exactly what his rivals did so if you look at daniel chapter six verse four he goes on to say this at this the administrators and the set reps tried to find grounds for charges against david daniel in his conduct of government affairs but they were unable to do so now can you imagine we have a team of 120 set reps and two high ranking administrators they did everything to try and dig up some hidden skeleton in the life of daniel but the bible tell us they could find none i mean this guy was squeaky clean he was a different kind in verse 4 it actually says they could find no corruption in him because he was trustworthy he was neither corrupt nor negligent can you imagine this no corruption no negligence totally honest totally above reproach in short total integrity and in the end what happened was his enemies had no choice but to use daniel's faith against him so in daniel chapter 6 verse 5 it says finally this man said to one another we will never find any basis for charges against this man daniel unless it has something to do with the law of his god now this plot was ingenious so what they did was they flattered the king until they get him to sign and edith that all prayers for the next 30 days are to be directed only to the king okay and anyone who disobeys will be thrown into the lion's den they came up with this entire scheme just to trap one person to trap daniel and they knew that he would never deny his god and so as a result they can now throw him into the lion's den and get rid of him forever and it's true enough daniel never wavered from his devotion to god so daniel chapter 6 verse 10 then tell us this now when daniel learned that the decree has been published he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened towards jerusalem and three times a day he got down on his knees and he prayed giving thanks to his god just as he has done before i'd like you to notice that last phrase just as he has done before in other words this was not a show of defiance this was not just some act of bravado but it was an act of integrity because he did what he has always been doing it was about his being no he's doing he was he he is therefore he does and his integrity was literally proven in a time of adversity so because that was what daniel did the king had no choice but to carry out the law he signed himself but before he threw daniel into the lion's den he said this in chapter 6 verse 16 he said may your god whom you serve continually rescue you this was the last thing he said to daniel before he threw him into the lion's den how many of you agree with me he was actually praying for daniel he says me your god whom you serve continually rescued you and did god answer the king's prayer absolutely he did so daniel spent the whole night in the lion's den and then he stepped out the next morning with this testimony in chapter 6 22. he says my god sent his angel and he shut the mouths of the lions they have not hurt me because i have found i was found innocent in his sight now have i done any wrong before you o king what a testimony he came out after a whole night with hungry lions untouched the king was so impressed he wrote a decree to all the peoples and the nations he recorded for us in daniel 6 26 i issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and revere the god of daniel for he is a living god and he endures forever his kingdom will not be destroyed his dominion will never end to the testimony of one man the entire nation was impacted so that's the story of daniel what kind of a man was he how did he distinguish himself from the rest what exceptional qualities did daniel possess and this is what i like to outline for us in a few moments i believe the key to daniel's success was really rooted in his integrity and so let me outline for you now six lessons i learned about integrity from the story of daniel and with that um i think these are the things that we need to embrace in order to really lift out a life of integrity this is how important integrity is the first is this we have to put integrity above image integrity above image in the story of daniel the people surrounding him from the 120 set reps and the two top administrators all the way to the king himself they were all concerned about their image but daniel was concerned about his integrity the rest were all posturing themselves to come across looking good before men but daniel was positioning himself to walk uprightly before god and so you listen to this god values integrity above image and so must we and i would challenge you brothers and sisters image is who people think we are but integrity is who we really are image is what my friends think i am but integrity is who my wife knows i am say and more often than not we are more concerned about our image than we are about integrity and for that reason people end up you know for example buying the things that don't need with money they don't actually have just to impress people they don't even know so i want to challenge you church let us hold on to integrity and not image that's number one number two integrity actually influences man in big ways integrity impacts people see when daniel first came into the king's service he impressed the king with his capabilities right we see this recorder for us in daniel 6 chapter 3 where in channel chapter 6 verse 3 where daniel so distinguished himself amongst the administrators and etc by his exceptional qualities but when trouble started daniel not only impressed the king but he influenced the king towards god his integrity towards god and his unwavering trust in god actually turned the king's heart towards god that's why in the end in daniel chapter 6 verse 26 the king issued a decree such that every part of his kingdom must fear and revere the god of daniel you know i read this very interesting true story about a jewish boy who grew up in germany many years ago he had a great respect for his father as a little boy because her father was a very devout jew now in his teenage years his family decided to move to another town where it was not jewish but rather it was very ludran because it was like a lutheran town the life of the community in that town revolves around the lutheran church that is there and suddenly one day the father announced that they are abandoning their jewish faith and becoming lutherans now when the family asked the father why are you doing that the father's reply was this he said it is good for my business it is good for my business because this whole town are all lutherans as a jew i can't make ends meet i'm now going to become a lutheran so that is good for my business it was a good thing of course for for the jewish man to to convert to christianity but it was for a wrong reason and that young man was completely confused and it actually gave rise to a deep disappointment within his heart towards his father that later developed into resentment and even bitterness and later on in life this young man actually formulated his own thoughts into a book which he introduced as a whole new world view and in his book he actually described religion as the opiate of the masses and he led his followers into a life without god and his name was karl marx he became the founder of the met the communist movement and here's the point everything started because of a father who lacks integrity integrity really impacts people here's number three another important lesson and i hope we can embrace integrity at the end of the day is an inside job in daniel chapter 6 verse 10 he says three times a day daniel got down on his knees and he prayed giving thanks to his god just as he has done before daniel nailed in solitude before his god three times a day it was not for men to see he wasn't putting up a show or just trying to be rebellious but it was only for his god to know and it does not matter if others are doing it it does not matter if nobody else is doing it it is simply an inside job integrity is an inside job so here's the saying what's wrong it's wrong if everybody's wrong what's right is right if nobody's right even if everybody is wrong doesn't just because everybody accept it doesn't make it right what's wrong is wrong if everybody's wrong but what's right is right even if nobody's right meaning which even if nobody does it what is right is still right see it doesn't change here is a man like daniel with the inner compass calibrated to god and he stood on his deep deep conviction even at the risk of his own life daniel refused to break god's laws so daniel chapter 1 verse 8 really tell us this daniel resolved not to defile himself it was a decision from the heart integrity brothers and sisters is an inside job it is based on a resolute decision to fear god rather than men that is the starting point biblical integrity is when we are consistently governed by a set of biblical values it is never dependent on majority's view but on god's principle and you must always remember the majority is not always right integrity is an inside job and sometimes we have to stand alone here's lesson number four integrity requires courage even though daniel knows that his devotion to god can result in alliance then he refused to back down and we must be prepared to pay a price to hold on to integrity daniel's integrity before god we read his story ultimately got him into the lion's den the furnace of fire the pits of prison but not once did he back down he knew what he stood for he faced them all with integrity and courage here's number five integrity ultimately will bring us god's blessing the story of daniel ended praise god with victory and blessings daniel chapter 6 28 so daniel prospered during the reign of darus and the reign of cyprus the persian it was like what god said to king solomon in first kings chapter 9 verse 4 and 5 as for you if you walk before me in integrity of heart and uprightness as david your father did and do all i command and observe my decrees and laws i will establish your royal throne over israel forever it is rooted in this walk of integrity uh before god a walk of uprightness before god and here's one of my favorites in proverbs 20 verse 7 the righteous man walks in his integrity his children are blessed after him you know if we live lives of integrity our children will be so impacted positively that they will end up being blessed see walk in integrity before god here's number six integrity glorifies god at the end of the day and this is what is ultimately uh rooted in it's all about god's glory daniel 6 25 then king darius wrote to all the peoples nations and men of every language throughout the land daniel's integrity caused the nations to actually hear the name of jehovah god and his name and fame begin to spread because of one man's integrity integrity glorifies god but in the same way the lack of integrity can bring dishonor to god you know you just think about all the fallen spiritual heroes of recent times that when we fall we never fall alone we cannot bring others along because people get stumbled now there was a i liked the story that was told about pastor who actually went to a garage sale and then when he saw this beautiful children's playground set you know that was that was out there for sale and it was a beautiful set only sold for 30 bucks it was a great deal you know because a new set would cost about 80 dollars so he walked up to the to the owner and asked can i have this set for 15 instead of 30 can i have it for 15. the only said the owner said no no no i'll take at least 25 at least 25. and immediately the pastor turned to her and said you know i'm a poor pastor of a very small church you know can you just give me a break and just give it to me for 20 bucks you know because that's all i have on me right now i only got 20 bucks can you just give it to me for that what about it and immediately the lady replied oh you're a pastor i'm a christian too you know so okay i'll i'll just bless you and i'll just take twenty dollars you know and then the pastor said to her oh thank thank you sister you know the lord bless you you know as you honor the lord the lord will honor you and so the pastor took out his wallet took out and when he checked his wallet he discovered all he had was a hundred dollar bill and then bastard you know you that's not truthful now the lack of integrity i think brings dishonor to god so we got to be careful what we do uh with our words with our action because integrity glorifies god but lack of integrity can really dishonor him and what i tell you these six lessons of integrity from daniel to bring across one point we must live lives of integrity because it has impact on our relationship with god it has impact in our relationship with other people question how do we actually ensure that we can live this consistently integral life this is where the critical element of accountability comes in now i like what bill hall said when he said if we have not taught obedience and encouraged accountability we have not discipled if we have not taught obedience and encouraged accountability we have not deciphered i think the bridge between beliefs and behavior is accountability what is it that bridge our belief to the our right behavior is always accountability accountability is the missing link in disciple making today so one of the takeaways for me in recent out of the lesson leadership failures is this aspect of accountability i believe that genuine christians do not fall into sin we kind of slide into it over time you know the blind spots our proclivities our weak points actually cause us over time to be vulnerable and over time to actually stumble it's not that one big moment that brought the downfall but it was many tiny decisions that literally wear down our character and eroded our defenses over time it's the little compromises the corner cuttings the deceit that wrong thinking that that actually goes unchallenged by anyone in our lives that brought about that final outcome so i think it's important apart from wanting to live a life of integrity we need to talk about accountability i think accountability is a little bit like electricity you know we everybody have heard of it everybody knows how important it is but very few people actually know how to explain it accountability first of all is very different from council because seeking council which we all do i think seeking council adds value to our decision making but accountability involves somebody asking us the hard questions not because we we we want not not because we want to know something but because they want to know something of us they have that ability and that and that permission to actually ask us hard questions which uncovers what is hidden hidden in our motivations what is hidden in our desires you know we have you ever noticed that we seek counsel whenever we want to right we seek counsel on our own terms but those who hold us accountable they do it on on their terms now we seek counsel at a time we want to see counsel but if we are truly accountable people ask us questions when they want to ask us questions see and when we seek counsel we tell the counselor what we want the counselor to know but our accountability partner can ask us anything he wants to know and anytime he wants to know it and in seeking to be accountable what we are doing is almost opening up the doors to different areas of our life that we want to be accountable for and then allowing them to actually look inside in other words we choose to be vulnerable we choose to be accountable because we recognize that we cannot live this christian life on our own then the truth is we do not trust ourselves jeremiah 17 9 the prophet said the heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure who can understand it it's really a description of the the fallen nature of men that we can be deceitful the heart is deceitful we can sometimes even be self-deceived so the point is we cannot trust ourselves too much and that's why we put in uh preventative measures so that we can maintain a life of integrity now let me very quickly just give us a working definition of accountability so that we can have something to discuss okay the working definition of accountability i'll put it this way is to be regularly answerable for each of the key areas of our lives to qualified people okay let me say one more time what is accountability it is when we are regularly unstable for each of the key areas of our lives to qualified people so let me unpack that a little bit regularly first of all is to be regularly answerable so regularly means it can range from weekly to monthly no i think a buy bi-weekly thing seems like an optimum like once every two weeks once a month we can get together with someone we trust you know someone that we consider to be an accountability partner and allow them to ask us questions about key areas of our life then that we can be regularly answerable to proverbs 27 17 the wise man says as ayan sharpens iron so one man sharpens another and i think it's important to have somebody else that can sharpen us now the other word is answerable to be answerable to what mainly answerable to the goals and the standards we have set for ourselves answerable for the goals we set and for the standards that we live by and this is where if we have accountability partners they help us to stay answerable for those goals that we set for ourselves uh where the moral goals that we set and also standards moral standards that we have we want to live by and these people can keep us answerable galatians chapter 6 verse 1 and verse 2 paul says brothers if someone is caught in a sin you who are spiritual should restore him gently but watch yourself for you also may be tempted so carry each other's burdens and in this way you fulfill the law of christ so that's what accountability partners do they help us to bear this burden and then as they watch over us as they watch over one another and i think this is what it's all about okay regularly answerable to key areas that's a third thing key areas what are some key areas i would outline at least three um answerable for key areas includes like our devotional life you know how's our relationship with god our domestic life how's our relationship with our spouses with with our loved ones uh with our um our colleagues you know how are we doing in in that area of our domestic life in spouse children etc and then the third is our developmental life how are we doing when it comes to our area of our work our finance our ethics our moral integrity see all these areas of the devotional the domestic and the developmental first timothy chapter 4 verse 16. i like what paul told timothy here watch your life and your doctrine closely it's not just our doctrines that we need to look after it's also our life so watch your life watch your doctrines closely persevere in them because if you do you will save both yourself and your hearers so we are regularly answerable for key areas of our life to qualify people so that's the last thing to qualify people we need not be accountable to every single person of course not but we have a few chosen people selected people of godliness of wisdom people that we honor we respect people that we can glean from people with the skill and the necessary chemistry with us that can actually become our accountability partners but here's the thing the ultimate reason for wanting to be accountable is because we fear god you know we do all this for one reason it's because we fear god romans 14 verse 12 paul tell us so then each of us will have to give an account of himself to god that's first first and foremost ultimately we have to give an account of ourselves to god and our human friends our human intermediaries you know our accountability partners they are only there to facilitate us to be able to give a better account of ourselves to god so if you do and i want to challenge you to consider picking and selecting a few accountability partners that you can who can journey together with you now if you do have an accountability partner uh can i give you some little handles on what you do when you actually meet up with them uh here's an anatomy if you like of an accountability catch-up now if you do meet up and you catch up what do you do firstly as an introduction i think it's always good to to ask simple things like so what are you thankful for this last two weeks uh what are some problems that you you have faced over these last two weeks or one month whichever your frequency is so what are you thankful for what are you um find challenging so those are a good starting point to begin the conversation and then you move into those three critical areas of the devotional life how's your walk with god this season have you been tempted this week in any way is there any sin or any struggles that you are working through during this last period so we talked through those things more to do with our walk with god our devotional life the inner struggles that we have then move into the devotional domestic life how are you doing with your spouse how are you doing with your with your children not this season do you have any discipleship moments with your family and i think those are good questions that we can ask and then the developmental area you know what are you reading or reflecting on during this season how's ministry going you know how are you doing financially this season have you sometimes you can even get into the crunch of things you know how have you compromised yourself morally or ethically during this period is your public and your public uh and private persona coherent you know and we ask each other difficult questions like this i have a few mentoring relationships where we actually can talk about such things and i think it's really really uh helpful and in the end just ask have you told me the truth you know so we just get down to the to the crux of things so just use that as a simple um handle in which you can have some accountability uh catch ups with key people in your life i think they'll be very very helpful now let me end with this and here's an important part that i want to share with you um i was in a zoom session hosted by pastor edmund chan just last week and he invited a speaker by the name of sam lam who is a very prolific leadership trainer in the area of leadership derailment that means how leaders get derailed in their life and he brought out about sam was really really really good and he brought up about how most leaders are derailed by the three common things that we are all familiar with money sex power and then when when we try to uh when in order to to prevent this sort of derailment when we talk to leaders the most common recommendation would boil down to some of the things that we talk about uh tonight we we boil it down to things like proper governance uh if you are talking about organizational then proper governance we talk about higher accountability and better protocols which are some of the things that we talked about tonight as well and then he ended by saying they said these are all good and necessary but largely inadequate and that caught my attention these things are good and necessary but largely inadequate because if these things are really the answer then we won't have so many uh leadership derailment going on all around us and i think that's quite true because in most organizations i know in most churches i know we already have some of these things that we try to build in places right we have balls and all that but you can still find leadership development and here's the thing i believe that every leader has certain proclivities we have certain leanings certain strengths in our life certain inclination and sometimes our strength can also become our weakness for example if you are very charismatic as a leader which is a strength but when it when it's there is always a dark side to everything to every leadership proclivity right and the dark side of let's say you're very charismatic the dark side is that you can become manipulative i think that's true so you're very relational the dark side could be that you you you don't get things done and so there's always a dark side to it now and then the thing that he helped us understand is that having these leanings and inclination does not necessarily would would cause you to derail or to go into the dark side because you can always stay with the light side right but it does not always derail you but when these proclivities this inclination is coupled together with certain triggers it can make us vulnerable and make us vulnerable and therefore in in a place where we could end up leaning onto the dark side and what was interesting is based on the leadership study there are three key triggers that can actually bring about um this leaning towards the dark side and there's three key triggers he outlined i thought was very interesting the first two was quite common but the third one was a surprise the first was too much stress that can actually put us make us vulnerable and we can all lean to the wrong side to the dark side too much stress the second was too little sleep too much stress too little sleep and that because of sleep depravity it can put us in a very vulnerable position and can cause us to lean to the dark side the third what's more interesting is boredom boredom and i thought that's interesting and and the subset of borden boredom is actually loneliness you know it's boredom and and and i think as i thought about it it's quite true because an idle mind is a diverse workshop and and the higher up the leadership ladder you go the more responsible you are the more the tendency to slip into this bottom uh the reason is because the higher up the leadership ladder you go the more you delegate stuff right down to your downline and then you you need to wait for them to get to finish their part before it comes back to you and in the course of that waiting for them to come back to you it's very easy for the leader to actually sleep into a place of boredom you know while waiting and then you begin to lose focus and that can actually give rise to uh you know that it becomes a devil's workshop and our minds could go to wrong place we lack focus and and relax routines and then as a result you could lean to the dark side so the key therefore is really we need to look after ourselves no we need to get enough rest we need to build our marriages we need to do some pos the positive things that can help us not to lean to the dark side create routines in your life so that these things become uh the positive that can help us to stay on the straight and narrow so my point is this we don't just need preventative measures which i've outlined for you in terms of accountability and all that but we also need instinctive measures these are positive things that we build into our life to help us to build resilient see to build brazilian think about this the depth in which a submarine can go into the ocean is very dependent on the ability of the submarine to withstand external water pressure is that right and but no matter then that's why a submarine is made up of thick uh iron plates the steel plates just to be able to to withstand external pressure but no matter how deep you go into the ocean it's interesting you will always find fish right have you ever asked yourself how a fish with skin a few millimeters thick could withstand all the water pressure when a submarine with inches of steel plate cannot the answer is really quite simple that fish has equal and opposite pressures both inside and outside that's why the fish does not crumble under the water pressure and that's what we need to be like a fish develop positive pressure inside ourselves so rather than simply resisting the outward negative pressures of temptation we need to combat temptation by building ourselves up with the positive things of god within so we overcome temptations outside by focusing on god on the inside we build our marriages we get enough rest and then we we routine build routines into our life healthy habits into our life so that we can maintain our work with god i leave you with second peter chapter one verse five to verse eight for this very reason peter said make every effort to add to your faith goodness to goodness knowledge to knowledge self-control to self-control perseverance and to perseverance godliness to godliness mutual affection to mutual affection love for if you possess these qualities in increasing measure you will keep you from being ineffective unproductive in your knowledge of our lord jesus christ if we do these things if we build this virtue it's not about just preventing external things from coming into us and attacking us it is about building internal positive pressure it's about building faith goodness knowledge self-control perseverance etc but all this ultimately lead to one thing the knowledge of our lord jesus christ the ultimate thing that will keep us on the straight and narrow is the knowledge of god and we cannot know ourselves until we know god build all this and then we build resilient and i believe we can become man and woman of integrity amen let's bow we have a word of prayer and then i'll hand this time back to amos lord we ask that in jesus name you will enable us to be men and women who will not only have preventative measures on the outside but we also have integrity on the inside built because of the knowledge of god and because we fear you and we know you we want to live lives of integrity and accountability in jesus name amen amen thank you pastor benny for that sharing um it was really enlightening and i believe you will be you've been blessed tonight you know um we're gonna go into our q a portion in just a moment i just want to uh just give a reminder to all those watching that you can ask your questions now um there are already some there in the q a box but if you click ask a question you can find all the questions that are there you can vote for a question that you would like to be answered the highest the higher the votes a question gets the more likely it will be answered you can also ask your own question if you don't find one there that you have a burning question that's not being asked already so make sure you do that uh now and get questioning quick but you know i just want to take a moment to pause and you know give us an opportunity to really support the work that we do if you've been blessed tonight by this webinar would you consider giving to faith community church or arrows college faith community church is the um the church that hosts these webinars and this ministry um and arrows college is um a platform is the place where uh all of us benny's resources and teaching videos are made available to churches worldwide so if that if you'd like to support us in the work that we do um you can do so uh but yeah we'll get into our q a portion now make sure you get your questions in as we go through this time you can still vote for your question they like asked so pastor benny um we'll get straight into it are you ready yeah all right so um in our church we have uh we really emphasize small groups which we call connect groups yeah and um and we get all sorts of people in our connect groups how would you foster accountability in within a connect group setting if members appear unwilling to ask or answer hard questions yeah um i think to be able to build a culture of accountability in some sense we model it more than just legislate it you can't really legislate um and cause people to want to open up but one of the best ways in which if if you are a connect group leader and you are seeking to build a culture of accountability of openness of transparency it begins with the leader being willing to model his own vulnerability being willing to be vulnerable being willing to be accountable being willing to be transparent and once leaders begin to do that i think we begin to model for our people that it's okay not to be okay it's okay to be transparent and it will take time but i believe it begins with us as leaders and for that reason i try as a preacher that i i want to pulp it sometimes to share my own weakness my own struggles and things like that but curated in such a way that it does not discourage people but we share how where we came from and if god help us to overcome then it's very glorifying so i think it begins with leaders modeling it vulnerability transparency accountability do you um you said it's when you share it's curated or that it's actually well worded is there um do you have any advice on for leaders how openly or how candidly they should share their vulnerability first of all i think when we share our own struggles we share our own vulnerability oftentimes if we have really been um i like to begin by sharing moments where god has actually helped me overcome so i'll be very honest with where i came from and how i've struggled with it but it's great when we already god has already helped us to make certain breakthroughs that we also share those so that people can see that we are making progress and that there is hope at the end of the uh at the end of the day if not then can you imagine if constantly we are sharing we are struggling all the time but we've never had any breakthroughs i think that is actually discouraging uh for people but rather i i want to be able to share honestly about where i come from and then how god has helped me to overcome so that would always set the stage uh for that but there are once there is people have known that you know you you have a valid and and and vital walk with god and and you have breakthroughs then even there are some things i still have not overcome i can begin to share them and people know that yeah my leader is real and he's he's not got everything together but he has experience at the same time the victories of god so i think we need to hold that tension is there um besides modeling is there anything that a leader or a fellow christian can do to help a person that is a bit more reticent to share i would think grant permission is the other thing that we always tell the whole group we grant them permission to actually share now if you have something i would actually tell them please feel free to share and and we create that safe environment and we can even tell the uh especially when we're having some if you're sharing some really deep things we can actually curate an environment where we tell people that this is a safe environment whatever has been shared we will be kept within within this group and we will not be going out to tell the whole world so once people know that my leader models it he has created this safe environment i think it allows people to be more open to want to share so safe environment is another key fantastic yes um the you know in i have i have a child um and you have three children and you know uh the thought of raising my child in this world that emphasizes rights and all this stuff and individualism as well um i think can be a daunting task the next question comes from malcolm which who asked how do we teach our children integrity and accountability when society talks about the rights of the individual yeah i think that it's not always wrong to say that individuals have rights because it's true individuals do have rights but we need to measure that right and place it next to a bigger canvas and the bigger canvas is god's values and principles so you put that right and with the backdrop of the bigger canvas of god's word and god's will god's values and then i think there is a right that supersedes our individual rights and that is god's will so then god's will becomes even more critical than our rights and our children can be taught to actually yes we all have certain individual rights but our rights are subsumed under the the kingdom of god the reign of god and i think once they have that i don't think it's wrong to actually admit that or to to accept the fact that there are rights there are individual rights in this in this world but always the bigger canvas of god's real god's word absolutely yeah i mean throughout scripture i see in multiple instances and through the life of jesus and all the apostles they often lay down their rights that's right they acknowledge the rights that they do have as human beings and apostle paul acknowledged his rights as the apostles absolutely but he actually willingly laid it down out of love so um yeah that's great it really takes a lot of a lot of character to be able to lay down my own rights so that the rights of others can be met which i think is what the discipline of submission is all about is that ability to lay down my rights so that the rights of others can be met and thank you pastor benny um the next question um is how do we show integrity in our day when lots of societal values go against biblical values and that they have been normalized yeah i guess this is where discipleship really uh caused us to live in this upside down kingdom that we have and the values of the kingdom is totally different from the values of this world and and that's why i like what um matthew chapter five matthew chapter six you know in the sermon on the mount one of the key verse is that we are not like them and that is so critical that we we actually are teaching our children and communicating this idea that we live in an upside down kingdom the kingdom of god and the kingdom of god is not like the kingdom of this world and so we are people they are different so discipleship has to therefore begin here yeah and it begins at home and maybe raise our children with different kinds of value system on this topic the is there any specific practical advice that you can give us to keep ourselves from slipping into conforming with the values around us and thus compromising our integrity yeah but i guess the starting point will be to be able to um to actually access the values that are existing and and and to be able to interpret what's going on in society and and then put it into the context of how god views it um sometimes there are a lot of things happening in our society that we that we we are all engaged in it but we don't even realize that they are counter biblical culture you know so i think the ability to to to expose it our culture as it is to exit our culture will be very helpful then we are able to inform our children uh inform people around us that this is where kingdom culture is different from existing culture but if we can't even tell the difference then i think we'll all end up just just going down the same path so starting point we need to know the word so once we know the word we can tell the counterfeit from the rail and we do need to not just exegete the bible we need to execute the culture and the values that are going on right now and until we can do that we may not be able to inform our children at all that's true yeah it's not just a matter of writing of culture yes you know not at all it's understanding it actually yeah and how do you understand it if you don't engage it right yeah so to me it's not to flee from the culture it's not even to fight the culture or off-flow with the culture but it's really to try and offer a counter culture that is of the kingdom that's so true i think that's why it's advice um that as christians who are living in this world and they're things you know that we're going to be exposed to and because of the amount of um in the media and what we watch what we hear yeah we're bombarded by it yes but i suppose if as you say we um seek to understand it and interpret it from the lens of a biblical worldview we can then take in what is good that's right and then check out what is bad yeah why is it vice pasta um this question um is about i suppose um how i interpret it is actually like a symptom is it is if someone is not willing to be held accountable does it mean that he or she lacks integrity is accountability and integrity are they linked yeah uh actually i think that they you they may overlap but i don't think they are the same they're not the same i think integrity is something that is that we are is is to is to be whole inside and and to have in integrity and accountability is it's it's a mechanism if you like it's something that can help us to stay integral so i see them as two different things but yet they can affect one another yeah so i can actually live a very integral life within myself between me and god and not tell you about it so in that sense i'm not accountable to you but i'm accountable to god one one person that you cannot run away from is god that ultimately like paul says in romans we have to give an account of ourselves to god because he sees everything anyway but whether or not i want to hold myself accountable to you is a decision on my part but it'll be wise to live with accountability because it helps us to maintain integrity that's true i mean we can't just because the person is not accountable to us yeah doesn't mean that he's not right before god yeah so that's not true yeah um how can we live a christ-mastered life in this challenging world i suppose we've sort of covered this is there anything that you want to add in terms of what we can do well i suppose if we really are really devoted you know to to i i still like to go back to acts chapter 2 verse 42 because this is what the early church was devoted to which enabled them to curate the revival that was going on at that time um and they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and to fellowship the breaking of bread and prayer and so if you think about those three those areas that they're devoted to they're really devoted to the bible they're devoted to the word of god you know so they devoted themselves to apostles teaching and they live according to those con the right content of biblical content the second thing that they devoted to is really community that we have like-minded community and they devoted themselves to fellowship you know and that is where we have we do life together with a small group of people and if within that small group you can find some people that you can be accountable to then that is really amazing that will really help you to stay on the straight and narrow and then the third is to the sacraments of prayer and to breaking of bread and that has to do with just going on a path of consecration that you are devoted to live that consecrated life and if you don't want to do that then there's nothing anyone can do so we devote ourselves to these three things biblical content you know authentic community and a life of consecration and i think you will be able to be mastered and live a mastered life uh i the next question um i want to answer it but i'm not really sure what it means so maybe you can help me interpret it where do we draw the line between accountability for one and self-integrity in someone else's faith draw the line between accountability for one and self integrity in someone else's faith so is it what we talked about earlier that the difference between accountability and integrity yes it could be i could be i need to be first and foremost accountable to god and have the integrity of heart before god and then secondly whether or not i want to be accountable to somebody else so maybe that's what i see yeah i mean if we if you ask a question and we did not answer it when it's understood please ask it again phrase it yeah yeah um what does the bible say about a christian who continues to practice secret sin until the day he or she passes on oh we will wait a little waiting question yeah we're waiting for something like this what does the bible say about christian who continues to practice in until the day he or she passes on thanks jackson for the awesome question actually it it has somewhat to do also with our understanding of whether or not a person can lose his salvation don't you think i mean if it is uh if you're a armenian then you would probably end up believing that if a person there is a difference between committing sin and practicing sin you know someone can commit a sin in the in the moment of weakness but it's another thing to want to practice in and if you want to practice sin then from a perspective of a minion view then you could end up in a place where you you lose your salvation whereas if you maybe you'd like to give the reform view on this one but yeah i suppose the other side would say that that person was never safe to begin yes and the i think the um the question that i have is can a genuine christian yeah live in sin knowing in habitual perpetual sin and still be a christian like this yeah yeah i think the bible actually says right in first john that those who know god does not practice it and this is where it gets really tricky yeah but if you want to add to the the nuance of this thing then um what if you that person keeps on practicing he keeps on living in that sin but before he dies he actually goes to god and seek forgiveness then what happened at that point it adds to the nuance of this that if you believe that our god is so gracious that his ability to forgive far outweighs our ability for failure then even at the last moment he could turn back just like the thief on the cross yeah so i i came to this conclusion at the end of the day you know that that it is going to be between him and god only he knows only god knows it'll be difficult for us to judge from the outside because we don't know that what is going on between the person and god so i tend not to conclude that the person has lost it or he's not a christian until the end yeah only god knows the end from the beginning true yeah yeah um i think yeah the it's hard for us to judge yeah um from the outside without knowing that person's life completely um so i think you're absolutely right you can't it's hard for us to judge be the judge of them but at the same time it does the bible seems to continually say as you said you know um those who practice such things yeah they were not they would have the kingdom of heaven so um so the best thing we can do stay far far away from sin so rather than to try and figure out how far can i go before i actually you know lose it or drop over the cliff it's better to stay far far away from the cliff age i think that's what the attitude of the christian should be my my goal is to live a life that will bring glory to god absolutely and would you give any advice to someone how can we break down sinful habits and thought processes when they have been deeply rooted in our lives i suppose what we would call maybe strongholds yeah you know when it comes to if i can outline a simple framework for you i find that in each level needs to be dealt with differently sometimes we look at people and they do something wrong sometimes it's just a slip that means it's a momentary lapse i we can wake up the wrong side of bed we can get something happen in in the morning and it makes us upset and therefore we do certain things that's wrong and if i see that it's just a slip it's just a momentary thing it's just one moment in time i sometimes will just let it go you know but sometimes it's no longer it's not just a sleep that happens once or twice but it's symptomatic it's a symptom it's not just a sleep it's a symptom it's a character weakness then i think we need to be able to confront that person uh about that character weakness but before i do that i want to know am i the right person and is this the right time to confront because it's a character flaw now other times it may be a weakness or character flaw that has now resulted in him doing a sinful act now it's not just it's not a sleep it's not a symptom it has become a sin then i think we need to confront and when i confront i don't need to ask is this the right time it's definitely the right time because the sin has been committed but i need to ask am i the right person so if i'm do i have am i in a position to actually confront him but there are also times when it is not just as a sin but it has become a stronghold like you said it's become so ingrained the difference between a sin and stronghold is that when a person sin they actually know it they feel bad about it and they actually want to break out of it but a person who has a stronghold they actually can't recognize it they actually think that it's okay or i can't help it it's like what someone have defined stronghold as this when we accept as unchangeable something that is contrary to god's will but in our mind we already said i can't change that's it it it is what it is then i think it's a stronghold now if it is a stronghold i think you need spiritual authority to actually deal with it and to pull it down and to actually address it and use with spiritual authority address the person and deal with it at that root level so we need to kind of figure out which is which and what your the situation is is it just a slip is it a symptom of a character weakness but like the person is a little bit flirtatious but he hasn't done anything to anyone or he has resulted in some fornication or adultery then i think it's time to confront but if the person he refused to even acknowledge it but want to continue in it i think we need spiritual authority and that's where we need to escalate uh to levels or to to where authority can be exercised so that's how i would view it and deal with it accordingly i a mentor someone that the person see as a birth team or have spiritual authority over him similarly in accountability partners i think we're given each other that authority and therefore i exercise the authority and deal with it yes yes i think um another way of putting it if you don't like the word strongholds would be blind spot blind spots yeah yeah but whichever word you use we all have blind spots um there are things in our lives that we aren't aware of that are contrary to god's will yes and i think that's the importance of having people in our lives that can speak into that's right that's the power of uh having accountability so that it helps us maintain integrity yeah yeah i'm not sure if you um addressed this already but uh is there any advice that you would give to someone who wants to address this in someone else's life that if we say something yeah that is contrary to god's will how do we confront that person so somebody has said something that is contrary to god's will or is living away oh okay that is uh how this person's put it is if this person's showing through the flesh and not living by the spirit okay i suppose living in sin yeah so again if i use that little framework i would know i would want to be able to distinguish that and then to be able to deal with it accordingly but assuming that you have that authority to speak to that person and deal with it i suppose sin needs to be exposed before it can be dealt with so to be just be able to bring it into the light is step one and somebody has pointed out somebody has to call it up and so if i'm the person that needs to call it out i i'm gonna have to do that and once it's been called out and then we can um show that it is something contrary to the will of god and then from there we want to journey with that person come up with structures and things that they can they need to do in order to avoid going back there so help the person to recognize that they have sin get the person to repent seek the lord's forgiveness build in the structures so that we don't go back there again i think those are the things that needs to happen and needs to be done definitely yeah no yeah thank you for that advice um i mean on that uh someone has pointed out that um you know the bible does when you list those categories i think i know what you're doing you're you're giving us a framework to be able to identify okay so what role do i play yes in this person's life correct but i suppose in terms of what the word of god says jesus does point out that um even lustful thoughts yeah is us already been guilty of adultery um what if someone has genuinely rebuked that stronghold what then i suppose what what then do we do that person or what does that person do then i suppose yeah you know when we deal with some of these things um there are times when i think we have to um we either trash it up before god like the summits would do you know he he works it out before god with tears and with lamentation he works it out before god but there are also other times when we we could do with somebody else coming alongside us and actually going to people who can help us maybe dig a little bit deeper as to the root cause of why we're doing why are we trapped in this why are we trapped in this stronghold why are we trapped in this habit and having being able to go beyond and really dig into the root of things can really help us to cut that victory and i've seen cases where we are able to trace it to its roots and then allow that person to have a fresh perspective to see what's happening and then give him that ability to deal with the root problem rather than the symptom of all these habits so i think there's room for that and there are people there are counselors there are inner healing people that you can talk to within the church that can help us to go deeper yeah yeah and i would say go for it go for all the help we can get in order to want to live free yeah absolutely um no that's absolutely true and i think if we're serious about rooting cinema of our lives getting rid of it yes do everything that we can yeah um um asks um what is the distinction between integrity and ethics i think ethics is one area in our life which is the the way that we conduct ourselves but integrity is more than that integrity is more holistic ethics is can be that is the way we do things like business ethics the way we conduct ourselves business ethics or you know moral ethics but when we talk about integrity it's more wholesome it's it covers all aspects of being an integral person so i think it's a bit more all-encompassing let's see yeah whereas ethics has to do with the way we we really do things and relate to people within a certain aspect yeah the ethical aspects yeah absolutely yeah i see where you're going with that um that's good um is there any point that we can get to you know when you say um we let's live as people nothing to lose nothing to prove nothing to hide is there any point that we can get to where we can sincerely say we have true integrity nothing to hide what is that yeah can we get there i think most all of us are probably work in progress um we we probably asked what i i would for one wouldn't dare to say that i've got absolutely nothing to prove nothing to lose and absolutely nothing to hide sometimes i'm not even sure um of course if you ask me now is there anything i can think of i also can't tell you offhand but i won't dare to say that i've reached this place where i have absolutely nothing to prove nothing to lose nothing high i think sometimes these things can be so hidden in the recesses of our heart that we don't even know until we are tested we don't know until we are tested now you ask me i'm not sure i i can't i can't think of anything offhanded i'm hiding this or you know i'm proving this but i don't know if i can also say that i've reached this place where i've got absolutely nothing to prove nothing to lose and nothing to hide because i i won't dare to say that and i have a feeling that i don't know until i'm tested i don't know maybe someone tell me that your you you your teaching is absolutely crap you know then i might have a reaction i don't know you know then i want to prove something yeah i don't know yeah it's not known until he's tested yeah but suppose if to the best of our ability at this present time we can say is this is there anything that we are we're hiding and if there's there is then okay you know that you have something to hide but if you there's not then yeah there isn't so i see it as a beautiful um destination that we are walking towards you know we could you could be there even if you are there for this moment there's nothing to say that tomorrow you you you won't sleep back so that's why i think there is always a work in progress rather than i've arrived yeah um i'm not sure if you've um addressed this already in the session but this person asked how do you train and practice integrity was it something yeah kind of like oh christian walk yeah establish it yes it is you know it is actually like discipleship um [Music] i think it's a constant constant seeking to walk in that rather than we can definitely train because in all discipleship is not by trying it's by training you know we train ourselves in the word of god we train ourselves to walk in obedience to him and so i think it's that ongoing journey that we are every one of us is on and we continue to practice the spiritual disciplines which is a great way of training ourselves in putting ourselves in a place where we could actually grow and so why not yeah so i would continue to train myself in all this area and practice the spiritual disciplines of spending time with god in the world and silence solitude you know submission even prayer fasting all this helps in us seeking to live that integral life yeah yeah yes i think i think you're absolutely right the entire christian life and with all that comes with it the fellowship of believers yes um spiritual disciplines all of those go into the training for integrity to live that upright life yes yeah absolutely um and this is actually the final question that we have before i actually ask my own um but um in second timothy chapter three verse one to five it lists out a whole bunch of qualities sins loves of money loves of self both for arrogant slanders all that stuff and it says avoid such people what do you make of that when say there's people in our connect group or these people that we know proclaim to be christians that are not living in a life of integrity and living in continuous sin and we're told to avoid these well it seems like we're told to avoid these kind of people yeah um actually when you look at this passage you know paul is here talking about people who are not just not just people with weakness in their life he's talking about people that are wicked yes because you read the very next verse when after he said have nothing to do with people like that he go on to say that they are the kind who worm their ways into homes gain control of a gullible woman and all that which means that these people are not just living life imperfect lives but they're literally going all out to get their to bring themselves into a place where they could deceive they could harm people so we are talking here about wickedness more than just people with um who struggle with weakness and sin in their life so i think we're talking about a very specific group of people who are all out to deceive or out to do to harm and and they're wicked and if you are dealing with wicked people uh it's different from just dealing with average people yeah it's because it's almost it's here i suppose there's avoidance this breaking of fellowship is pretty much saying these aren't some fellow brothers yes i suppose right i mean we haven't done a full bubble study on this but it seems like it's that extent yes so i think you're right it's not just uh this person struggles with the sin yes uh but still you know a christian this person is really an agent of evil yeah yes um and so this is this is not uh instruction to disassociate ourselves with anyone that is unholy because i suppose you'd have to go live in a mountain though yes um it's to rather be wise in who you associate with if they are they claim to be christian but they're really living lives just full of sin and you see it worked out in their lives yeah avoid them so when you're dealing with people they said you know take out get the lawyers and all these things because because the nature of the wickedness yes you know thanks so much for everyone who has asked some such wonderful questions um before we end the night i just have one of my own and you know with all the ministers that have um fallen over the years um a lot of them i mean that we know of there would have to be celebrities and we see how thrust into this limelight this element of accountability integrity has been really found to be lacking i suppose there's an element where it's just sometimes we learn that oh man this person has not been accountable to anyone and but in a broader sense this whole celebrity culture that's even seeped into christianity and christian ministers is there anything that you any advice that you have for ministers that in that role or that want are pursuing that well firstly we need to be clear that it's not just those who are in the limelight that falls there are many who are known ordinary people who also you know have get derailed in their leadership but there is definitely a greater you can have greater access to do to what you want to do to lean on to the dark side of leadership if you have if you're well known if you're a celebrity assault and and sometimes i think people become celebrities and so to speak not always because they want to but they are thrust into it because people who benefited from their ministry kind of put them up on the pedes on the pedestal but having said that i think we do have a responsibility as leaders as pastors to also not always believe our own press because people can say nice things to you because they've been blessed and and they are blessed not because we are so great i think they are blessed because god has given us their ability and the gifts you know to be able to bless them and then out of gratitude they sometimes you know give and and lift you up and all that i think the onus is on us as pastors and and and leaders to actually recognize that don't believe your own press number one and number two we may have to consciously break down that idea that we are as good as they make us out to be and this is where i would this is where i would take the extra effort actually to share with the people where i have my own struggles wear my clay feet and and make myself real i have a good friend who of a pastor of a mega church who intentionally in his instagram in his uh facebook he said he has got one segment which is for celebrating other people and so he would post things to celebrate other people there's one segment where he just post nonsense he posts things about what he do with his dog and what he do with his wife and this you know that makes him more down to earth make him real so that the people the church members are watching him know that he struggled through certain things too that he also uh you know hate doing dishes or something like that and those things just bring you down to earth and he does it intentionally so that he avoid this celebrity uh syndrome and i respect that and i think this is where we also share our vulnerability from the pulpit et cetera so that people know that we are not as great as we are now they make us out to be and so i think all these are things we have to do to try and bring things to an even kill yeah so i and first of all you must really really know that you are not as good as you think you are or people make us out to be that we actually believe we we are just ordinary people blessed by god you know to be able to do what we do yeah absolutely yeah yeah no thanks benny for all that advice and thank you all for tuning in to tonight's webinar uh we hope that you've been blessed and we hope that you know all the questions that have been uh asked have been answered and um you've learned a lot so uh maybe i can just close us in a word of prayer father thank you so much for this time tonight where we can learn from you from your word and from wisdom oh lord um god i pray o lord that you'd help us to live lies of integrity that we can stand before you and before people with nothing to prove nothing to lose and nothing to hide and that lord if there are secret sins and if there are things in our lives that are not in line with your word lord i pray and your will lord i pray that um one would be you wake us up by the power of your holy spirit to these areas that will put them to death but also that we'd be humble enough to immerse ourselves in the fellowship of believers to invite people into our lives and allow people into our lives to speak into it and to confront us where we need confrontation so lord we pray our lord that you continue to build your church to be people of integrity that um love one another enough to be accountable to one another and to confront one another in love we thank you lord for this time in jesus name amen god bless have a great night thank you
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