Learn what Cisco is doing today in Cloud Native. DevNet Snack Minute Episode 49.

[Applause] [Music] hey snackers matt dinapoli here i'm a manager of developer advocacy with cisco devnet hello snackers this is kareem iskander i'm a tech advocate with cisco learning and certification welcome to episode 49 of devnet snack minutes devnet snack minute is your weekly 10 minute all things devnet giving you a quick fun way to learn about cisco apis coding as just cool stuff that we do here at devnet and today we have our guest michael who's going to talk to us about cloud native topics and cloud native within cisco but i'm going to let him introduce himself first mike hey how you doing my name is mike chenetz i uh help lead the strategy around cloud native uh within cisco so i'm looking forward to you know having this conversation with you guys today it's gonna be awesome so uh let's start with like a super high level vague question open-ended um what is cisco doing today in cloud native you know that's a great question and it's a question we get all the time because when you think cisco you think of things like uh networking and servers and things like that and really you know people haven't realized that we've shifted you know not shifted but we've added is what is the way that i should put it we've added these cloud native technologies technologies like kubernetes technologies like a service mesh or some orchestration or maybe some automation you know whatever it is we have those technologies now and people don't realize it so it's something that we really you know we we have to do a better job of getting it out there so we can go talk about you know how we're engaging this this kind of model you know how we how are we dealing with the old and the new within cisco so you know traditionally we have things like itops and it apps we're great at that we're great at doing it we're great at servers we're great at network so what we have to get equally known for are things like um you know like like kubernetes and how we do that so mike um you've mentioned a lot of uh cloud native applications and tools that you know that are out there today what is what platforms are are cisco integrating with and what are we doing with all of that within cisco yeah great question so when we think about uh where we are we have to kind of combine the itops and the devops persona because we're you know we're really good at it we have the servers we have the you know the network and all those kinds of things but what we what we have to do is take that kind of knowledge and that that area and and bring it over so that the itops and the devops can move together so we have this platform called intersight that allows us to do that luckily it was built for the originally for the servers and the and the network and the fabric interconnects and things like that and we've expanded it out to be more of a holistic platform around cloud native and hybrid cloud so now what we can do is we could we've added the capability to do virtualization to do uh kubernetes and also integrations with things like hashicorp terraform and um and uh you know also some low code kind of automation through intersight cloud orchestrator so whether you're in devops or it apps we've kind of integrated those two personas together to kind of meet in the middle and to consume things the way that people want to consume it so if you're an i.t ops you can consume things in uh maybe intersight cloud orchestrator where you where it's low code it looks like little lego pieces you can just drag them together and create things like server server profiles and map them to vms and also map them to storage and then maybe hand it over to somebody that's in uh devops that might want to consume things as infrastructure as code something like using terraform as a you know as a service so great things like that yeah this is really exciting because now as you're talking about i'm starting to realize and you mentioned the term hybrid cloud what i'm starting to realize is we're starting to bring and we've talked about this before but we're starting to bring the experiences that organizations have with public cloud services like aws and azure and gcp it sounds like we're bringing them on premises and allowing us to bridge the experience whether it be application deployments or infrastructure management between those hybrid situations um is that my understanding is that what we're going for there yeah i think that's what people want so we look at it and we say you know what is it that people really want to to do in the devops realms you know as i said we've already done a lot with the itops realm so what how do we get that devops persona and the way you do that is by making it a way that people are accustomed to consuming things so if i'm in devops i'm accustomed to consuming a service from a cloud consuming something from uh you know an api and really i want that same kind of uh you know methodology but on-prem i call it the cloud-native data center because really what people want is they don't want to in the devops world they don't want to worry about the infrastructure they just want to consume the services they want a level of automation that they're accustomed to using and they want to make it as easy easy or easier than they're already doing if we can do that then we can we have a great solution mike what what would be your definition of cloud native like bare bones boiling it down yeah so i have it's funny because i start out all my meetings with this definition of cloud native because really when people think cloud native depending on where you are in the industry it could mean something totally different but to me cloud native is a methodology and that is the true form of the word it's a methodology of consuming things through orchestration and through infrastructure as code and through you know all of those types of things that you kind of associate with working with something in the cloud but doesn't necessarily have to be in the cloud it could be something that's on-prem so you know that's really what the cloud native is it's it's a methodology and that's really what you know what i start out with because it's it's it's interesting that you know people still have all these um you know thoughts about what cloud native is and a lot of it has to do with the marketing of the cloud you know so you know there's so much marketing in the cloud that people just assume that that's what it means you know so but here we are and i'm still having to put that definition in every single deck that i have yeah i mean we we talk about it all the time and we haven't really sat there and said well this is what it is and so i appreciate your your definition there thank you and i think i think when as we're talking about this mike i think what we're doing as cisco and how we're kind of bridging what matt said bridging the gap between the public cloud and on-prem fits nicely in this hybrid world that we live in because what i've noticed is um not everybody has their um infrastructure in you know public cloud providers um but they want to expand so having that ability to you know have this kind of tool that's agnostic to whether it's in public or in on private uh at your you know in front of you to be able to manage all of that allows you to expand in you know the different areas so i think it's it's a powerful thing that we're doing from a cisco perspective um that said if i'm looking to learn more about what cisco's doing and cloud native and you know i've lived in this infrastructure world for years and i'm looking to take that step and jump where what would be some of the things that i would want to learn and start with yeah so it's it's that's that's a great question um you know because really what we've done is we've shifted the way that we're creating applications so a lot of it has to do with more the app dev kind of persona because what we did the reason why this is and i'd love to go into this reason and maybe this could be a whole episode by itself but the reason why we shifted to microservices is because of the fact that the app developer would create an application that application would be a monolithic app or something like that that would you'd have to check in that whole app and you have the whole you have this capability of bringing everything down because it's just one piece and you got to check everything in and check everything out it was extremely dangerous so what we've done is we've broken up those pieces into micro services and made them purpose-based so if you have a cash service it's cash if you have a shopping service you can just switch out those services and upgrade just that service and have them communicate together so really when we talk about what you're looking at you're thinking about that workload you got to break it down to what what is why are we doing this and what is it so it's you think about the workload that's a microservices based workload what does it run on typically runs on kubernetes how do we monitor it we need something like full stack observability maybe something like api clarity can help that we know we've talked about that in the past um you know there's so you got to think about the security of the microservices you have to think about uh policy and governance you know so all these types of things it really comes down to let's look at that workload and everything that comes around it and really those are the types of things you want to look at i would say starting out let's let's look at kubernetes because that's the base of everything you know i would have said you know a few years ago maybe it's docker but really docker is more of a development platform now and you know kubernetes has become that container platform or container orchestration platform that everybody's using now and docker is is kind of irrelevant in that space now i hate to say that because i love docker but uh you know it is becoming more it's more of a developer tool now my head is spinning we could sit here for an hour and a half and talk about all these things but you know uh we listed talk about kubernetes i think we'll have you back and maybe talk about that and maybe provide a demo you talked about how inner site is tying in a bunch of different tools into managing kubernetes um setting up workflows and optimizing those workflows maybe we we have you back for a bunch of those would you be willing would you be willing to do that for us but yeah no absolutely it's good i think it's great conversation it's always great talking to you guys you know uh unfortunately uh yeah we're kind of at time but before we let you go i'm gonna let kareem ask the ask the question of the day um we asked all of our new guests this and uh we're gonna put you on the spot but if you had to pick one superpower what would that be and why you know so this is a tough one now you know i like all of them so that's that's a really really tough one for for different reasons but i think i want to read people's minds because there's so many times i'm like what is that guy thinking when he says that you know so i think that's something i would love to have is just you know understand just to get some perspective not to use it for anything bad but just to understand like where people are coming from sometimes you know ah that's fair that's fair okay well snackers yeah be nervous around mike when he's attempting to read your minds um that's all the time we have for today and uh join us in the next episode this next special episode will be our 50th episode of devnet snack minute uh we'll have some fun fun treats for you guys and uh look out for future episodes with mike as we dive deeper into cloud native thanks mike thank you snackers [Music] you

Channel: Cisco DevNet

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Keywords: Developer, Cisco DevNet, network programmability

Id: 3Qr51p7OGMo

Length: 11min 46sec (706 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 07 2021