Krystal and Saagar: Fauci CAUGHT HIDING Key Facts From Senate On Lab Leak Hypothesis

[Music] good morning everybody happy wednesday we have an amazing show for everybody today what do we have crystal indeed we do some fantastic panelists max max alvarez and marshall koslop those who guys always make me think we've got brianna joy gray on she's going to be talking about elizabeth warren's new book i think it's called what persist i think is what it's called um gideon lewis krause is also going to be here wrote a big piece for the new yorker on ufos and how the u.s military came to sort of like come out yeah with at least some of what they have been witnessing there but we wanted to start with dr fauci getting pressed here by members of congress that's right and so look i want to preface this with i don't like rand paul i wish he wasn't the guy who's doing this but he is also happens to be a doctor and actually did a legitimate line of questioning with dr fauci over gain of function research at the wuhan lab whether the united states was complicit in funding that very interesting exchange i'll dissect it on the other side let's take a listen we do not fund do you find dr barrick's gain of function research dr barrett does not doing gain or function research and if it is it's according to the guidelines and it is being conducted in north carolina i don't think it's concerning a bat virus spike protein that he got from the wuhan institute into the sars viruses gain of function that is not a minority because at least 200 scientists have signed a statement from the cambridge working group saying that it is gain of function well it is not and if you look at the grant and you look at the progress reports it has not gained a function despite the fact that people tweet that so i'll support sending money to the wuhan virology institute we do not send money now to do one hun sending money we did under your tutelage we were sending it through eco health it was a sub agency and a sub grant do you support the money from nih that was going to the wuhan institute let me explain to you why that was done the saws cov1 originated in bats in china it would have been irresponsible of us if we did not investigate the bat viruses and the serology to see who might have been there's a lot going on there crystal but i think the most important one is this is that fauci in that clip is trying to define gain of function in a way that doesn't include all of the research that they did fund and which was created which may have led to a lab leak now once again i don't know if that's true uh we don't honestly know either way there needs to be a lot more investigation but i find that a very lawyerly and stunningly dishonest frankly way in order to answer that question because you're like well yeah we funded this research which scientists say is dangerous and which the u.s government had put a ban on but but it's not called gain of function that's not how we're defining it so therefore in that exchange he repeated over and over and over we did not fund gain a function research and that's enough for cnn but if you listen where he what did he admit yes we did fund the wuhan institute of virology sarsko v1 he explicitly what he's talking about there with studying back coronaviruses that's gain of function research by any standard definition as rand paul cites with a huge uh consensus in the scientific community around this so he's playing word games really here and i think it's just absolutely dishonest it's not just me saying this it's a lot of people who analyze the issue yeah so he's trying to parse it in a very lawyerly well what we technically were doing was not what i would consider gain of function research and just to back up for a second for people who haven't been like immersed in all the details of this this is significant in getting to the bottom of whether coronavirus as has been asserted and like enforced by the media narrative emerged from the wild evolved from probably starting with a bat something that is possible although there are a lot of barriers to that and they haven't been able to track it back to the progression through animals where that virus would have mutated to be um so the human population would be susceptible to it so that's one theory the other theory is the lab leak theory um for a lot of reasons that theory has been sort of pushed down mainstream conversation one of them is because trump was pushing this theory and sort of insinuating that china did it on purpose which that part is not true whatsoever no evidence of that part whatsoever but because it was a trump thing the media was very susceptible to when the scientific community came in and said nothing to see here definitely not a lab leak definitely came from the wild well as you start to pull the thread there you begin to realize why the scientific some parts of the scientific community were so quick to discard that potential theory one of those reasons is because a lot of them were implicated in the type of research that could have led to a lab leak that type of research is called gain of function research that's why they're having this fight right here then the public records started to emerge that oh lo and behold dr fashion the nih had given grants to this very lab to conduct this type of research so then you start to understand why there would be a lot of sensitivity around even going down the line of inquiry of whether it could have leaked from the lab and again no one knows for certain but all that anyone really wants is a serious non-political investigation into what the origins actually were because that has obvious implications for avoiding the next pandemic and whether this type of research should be supported and move forward with at all given the fact that even putting kovac 19 aside there are lab leaks from this type of research literally every single year so it is very dangerous research we know that did it contribute to the coronavirus pandemic that's the piece that we really need to get to the bottom of so that's why saucy is so defensive here and why he is trying to parse the word so carefully to let himself to make sure that it's clear like i'm not implicated in this whatsoever that's nothing to do with me we weren't funding that type of research so there's nothing to see here now the the positive thing that i'll say out of this testimony is he and the biden administration have been open to investigating whether it could have been a leak from the lab so that's the positive side of the testimony but this particular moment was really weasely yeah no that's right and i think one thing to add on top of this which is that dr fauci himself is the chief proponent within the u.s government of gain of function research in 2017 he actually reversed an obama administration ban allowing gain to function research to occur and according to their own national institute of health guidelines did not follow safety reporting protocols around the specific grant to the wuhan institute of virology which also was cited in 2018 for not having substandard for having substandard safety protocols all of that on the table i know it can sound complicated but the reason that it matters is because fauci and the rest of the scientific community's response to covid has been we need more gain of function research they're starting something called the global virum project which was going to fund 1.2 billion dollars more of this research that's exactly in my opinion the opposite of what we should do if kovit did come from a lab and i think you can again see some of this lordly behavior on display when fauci was pressed by senator roger marshall with basically a yes or no question did the research contribute or possibly leak from a lab yes or no and he would not answer the question is could some of the some of the funding you did you can call it gain a function or not developing the hla receptor at the mouse i'm not sure if you're going to call that gain of function or not probably not but could could some of the funding indirectly ended up to the contribution of this of coba 19. i i i i'm not sure exactly where that question is going i mean you could do research on something as benign as looking at something that has nothing to do with it and it could indirectly someday somehow be involved so if you want to trap me into saying yes or no i'm not going to play that game well you should play that game doctor i mean that's literally your job did it contribute to it or not and the lawyerlyness of this is what bothers me the most and unfortunately the media is turning look i and in a way i almost don't blame them because do any of these republicans really care about gain of function some of them maybe but the rest of them are looking at it as a way to conveniently attack somebody you know hero of the pandemic who's a right wing villain who is dr fauci josh rogan a journalist i really respect who wrote a book on this he was also on joe rogan's podcast and i talked to him a lot about this as well is that the politicization of this is the worst thing that could ever happen because now dems are unironically standing and they're like see dr fauci schools rand paul i'm like look i don't like rand paul um can't stand the guy even played a clip of fouchy destroying him about something else here on the show several months ago but in this particular case he's right he's asking the correct questions and fauci is the one completely out of step and the media is defending him yeah and so again part of where this comes from the media impulse comes from is the whatever trump said we're going to be on the other side of it and then you have the circling of wagons of the scientific community who don't want this research to be questioned because many of them are involved in it there's a lot of grant money at stake and so part of why this particular sequence of questioning is really revealing for dr fauci is you kind of start to see why there would be nervousness about going down the rabbit hole of the lab leak hypothesis and actually pulling that thread and seeing where it actually goes but just so you know that this isn't some like crazy right-wing conspiracy anti-foucy thing which again you're right most of these people are disingenuous and they just don't like fauci and this is like a way to attack him and at the beginning it was like this is a way to blame china even though as you actually started to do the u.s thing you started to see like wait a second we might be implicated in this as well so the china the china direction kind of didn't ultimately really pan out there but the dr fauci direction is still very much still a live fire exercise for these republicans who are cynically exploiting it but there are mainstream journalists who are saying look guys we gotta look into this like this isn't this shouldn't be political just getting to the roots of understanding what happened here should not be political whatsoever josh is one of those people he writes for the washington post he's a cnn contributor this is not some fringe character who has been investigating and looking into these things let's take a listen to a little bit of what he had to say josh rogan on cnn the biden administration is open to the idea they're trying to avoid making it more political uh they haven't figured out how to do that yet but i think you'll see more on that in the coming weeks also there's a bill by senator menendez and senator rich to demand that the state department release the intelligence in other words the u.s government is sitting on a bunch of this information forget about fauci for a second anthony blanken and uh jake sullivan and all these guys have this information and it seems like we should it should be released so we should be able to try to get to the bottom of what actually happened so that again we can prevent the next pandemic which is in everyone's interest and again i want to say the biden administration has been very open to this they've been great it's the media and the senate democrats who are the problems and even they even questioned that world health organization report which the investiga investigatory team was led by one of the people who was implicated in this type of research again there's a lot of wires that get crossed here they've been very open to that but i think josh makes an important point which is about not just getting to the roots of this pandemic but the whole treatment of this pandemic from the beginning the fact that every aspect of it became political in nature got subsumed into the culture war everything from mask wearing other pandemic restrictions and you still see this now as we're coming out of it and people are getting vaccinations and there's wildly different approaches to how we should feel about once we are ultimately vaccinated um david lienhardt had a really important i think column in the new york times lane bear how misguided and misleading cdc's some of cdc's guidance ultimately is basically they put out there this number that somewhere around 10 percent of kova trans transmission happens outdoors well it turns out if you dig into those numbers it is a minuscule vanishingly small number of coveted transmissions that have happened outside in fact it's so small that they don't know of a single case not just here but around the world of casual outdoor transmission meaning you're walking down the street and you pass by someone you're you know close by them out in a park those sorts of things now there are examples where you're at a crowded stadium where you're at like a trump rally or something like that where everybody's not the same thing packed in together that's a different deal but in terms of everyday casual going about your business walking to your office walking to a local restaurant or store zero documented cases again that doesn't mean there aren't any cases but the risk that's been documented there is vanishingly small how is it that this is the first that i'm learning of this of just how unlikely it is to get covered from casual outdoor interactions let alone once you've been vaccinated i mean it starts to be completely insane and the thing is here that people are so worried they're so nervous after a year that's been extraordinarily traumatizing having super clear information about where the risks are and where the risks aren't is exceptionally useful yeah it's just outrageous i if you know if your business got closed especially in the middle of june or july i feel for you man especially with outdoor dining what they did in los angeles and many other places and the restrictions that were put into place and you now find this out i don't i don't even know how you could you know how these people can sleep at night if they knew this and what they were propagating and i understand where it came from an idea of wanting to control the public that failed on mass it failed whenever it came to this our greatest failure look in terms of the general western world we actually did fine like not great and look like there's a lot of lives that could have been saved i don't want to minimize that if that happened to your family i have nothing but sympathy for you but our greatest failure was just being ripped apart for no reason having the politicization of this we're the only country in the western world that got further divided because of covid how the hell does that happen a lot of it is trump's fault a lot of it um but it's not just him we were all complicit in that too and i think that it just yeah it's the horrific commentary and all of us will live with the consequences for years to come because of this absolutely all right we're going to tell you what's on our radar so that's next you

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Keywords: Rising, Krystal Ball, Saagar Enjeti, Progressive, Progressive Politics, Democrats, Democratic Party, Republicans, GOP, Republican Party

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Length: 15min 21sec (921 seconds)

Published: Wed May 12 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/hopeLB]

Now that this news which has been circulating for over a year, including the name, Ralph Baric, the engineer of GOF, I wonder when news of the suppression of preventatives and cures like ivermectin, fluvoxamine, etc. will break into the mainstream?

[u/Blackhalo]

I Didn't Do It, Nobody Saw Me Do It, There's No Way You Can Prove Anything!

[u/Blackhalo]

Faucci: we categorically did not do that.

Also Faucci: Let me tell you why we did that.

"We don't send money to Wuhan."

"Let me explain why we send money to Wuhan."