KIEFER SUTHERLAND & JASON PATRIC (2021) Inside of You Podcast with Michael Rosenbaum #insideofyou

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oh yeah championship season right yeah yeah yeah the play the play and just uh you know of course keefer sutherland's dad donald sutherland and just uh two amazing guys and they they were really uh they gave a lot of insight into this world and we talked lost boys we talked about family we talked about a lot of stuff so i think you're gonna really enjoy this so without further ado why don't we get inside kiefer sutherland and jason patrick it's my point of view you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience you guys met obviously in lost boys right we did yeah did you meet like in how did you meet do you remember the day you met i i don't specifically remember the day i know it was up in we shot the film in two places we shot it in los angeles and we shot it in santa cruz in the very very beginning and and in santa cruz it felt very disjointed uh there were two units uh it didn't feel as cohesive an experience for me at least uh when we got back to los angeles so i know kind of when i met jason it was like hi this is jason he's playing and it's like hello and here's your mark and hey well nice really nice meeting you man i'm i'm thrilled to be working with you okay and look over there and okay rolling just like that it was kind of like that and i remember we became he's looking at like well i remembered a little differently remember well he's right in that it was disjointed and it really probably was just a handshake hello but i do remember that i actually had my birthday up there because my birthday is on june 17th and i turned 20 and they'd made me a cake uh i guess it was me on a motorcycle or something like that and everyone said happy birthday and all that and i specifically remember kiefer coming up and taking the knife and just cutting my head off for his piece of the cake take him and walk away now that was before we worked together and then the first day that we actually worked together is the first day those characters meet in the film yeah yeah on the motorcycle yes did you hit it off right away or was there you know there's always that thing i hope this guy is [ __ ] cool i hope he's not a hothead he's into that by the end of that night i think yeah i think so too i mean at night i really appreciated the fact when i first read the script of lost boys um you know i came from the world of get whatever job you can and just deal with it later right uh but lost boys was written for much younger characters uh they weren't supposed to be in their 20s they were all supposed to be kind of peter panish 13 12 13 year olds and and joel had made the change that he wanted it to be kind of 20 kind of early 20s and and stuff like that and so a lot of the dialogue had to change and i really appreciated how seriously jason took it you know that he was there to try and make the best film he could this wasn't i need this much money to get me to my next job this was how do we make this really cool and special and so he did a lot of you know joel schumacher who uh we both kind of love and adored but he did a lot of the battling with joel uh kind of on behalf of the rest of us to make the script what it ultimately became and and and justifying certain actions for our characters etc etc and so i really appreciated that he took the lead on that and that he was kind of an adult serious actor uh because a lot of the stuff that i had done i'd done with very young people like stand by me was with 11 12 year olds who were amazing by the way and they were fantastic and you were young too i was 18 19 yeah yeah i was a year i was a year younger than jason and so you guys would get uh as a as a collective you and amy amy gertz jamie jamie jamie gertz yeah [ __ ] me you know i make mistakes but you guys would all get together and go this this this and you'd be the guy the point man to sort of talk to joel about it i think sometimes but it was more that i spent a lot of time with joel because he tried to give me the movie for a long time and once we started going because i had a lot to do it was always about the peace whoever else was in it so if i felt that there was an issue that it wasn't quite working it was more going to jameer going to kiefer and so what do you feel about this or this i would never speak for them and then uh then i would take the lead and go in there and say look you know and i gotta say look lost boys has lost boys because of joel now i'm not and when i say that i mean he got the guy who shot raging bull and taxi driver michael chapman you know that guy doesn't come off that and shoot teen vampire movies but joel got him he got bo welch was an amazing production designer and then he got all these actors he'd get diane wiest right off an oscar ed herman bernard hughes you know and young guys like me and kiefer um so and he would be open to those ideas and open to dialogue and to make it interesting and different i think the reason the movie has lasted is because of that effort and because of the involvement of the people that he picked and our relationship as adversaries grew but as i said after that first night we were thick pals for the next day did you guys go out a lot did you party we used to go out we'd go out for lunch and our makeup you got to tell that story we were sitting here driving off the warner brothers a lot in his convertible it was an old 1970 911 t it was an old old porsche um and and we were in full vampire makeup but we had we just couldn't have any more of the catering lunch and we just wanted to go get a burger or something and so we'd pulled out who's with you me just me and jason just to you yeah in full vampire makeup and these girls pulled up and i guess we've been like we've been wearing the makeup so long that we forgot it was on yeah we couldn't see it in each other and the two girls in the car next to us we were like hey how you doing and they just looked they did not appreciate it as they called us a variety of names and squealed out literally the light turns green we're looking over it's 19 year olds in the porsche and everything and right when the light turned greens they just look at us and say pigs pigs yeah and drove right off yeah perfect yeah that's a perfect day it's a perfect lunch yeah we laughed about it for a while the look on their faces was worth a million because then we were silent what the hell was that because you didn't register and then we were looking at each other going oh yeah i mean look it's a stupid question but like i've been on projects where i go oh this is gonna be good this is gonna be a big big piece of [ __ ] did you think this is gonna be big didn't have the experience to to know yeah uh you know i look back on that time and whether it was lost boys or stand by me or even flatliners which joel directed as well those experiences kind of start to shape what you think when you're going through another experience oh this might have a shot but it was such early days for me i can't speak for jason but for me it was such an early time that you just did the best you could with the job and you were grateful to have the job and uh i had never experienced a huge hit i don't think stand by me had come out before uh lost boys started shooting so i it didn't even cross my phone were having fun as a kid yeah just and not even as a kid i mean i i took it very seriously i was living on my own and uh you know um it wasn't even as a kid it was it was the beginning of what i knew the rest of my life was going to be or at least i wanted it to be and so that was really exciting all right about you jay uh you know we're shooting for the sky i know that i know that i was determined um to make the best uh coming-of-age beach vampire movie ever made and uh honestly you have to understand that and you've made movies in the genre we had high level people as young as young men working with us as i said michael chapman the sets um uh so it was a perfect storm yeah and look you know soundtracks weren't everywhere like they are today that lost boy soundtrack people still play so it was a meshing of all these things but once again joel's greatest strength as a director is seeing talent and not being intimidated by that he welcomes it all in because he's gonna create this collage and you have a big say in that collage and as young you know man that was only the second thing i'd ever done um that's a lot to say to have that's a lot to say yeah in a big move and a big uh studio movie that's important right i mean when somebody's helming the ship it's if you see any cracks or he's nervous about or he can't it bleeds through right have you felt that before like this guy doesn't know what the [ __ ] he's doing oh gosh yeah yeah it's got to be the worst feeling as a director but worse as an actor because you're like we're gonna fall we're gonna we're gonna [ __ ] sing oh there's ways there's ways around it and the trick is to try and be as helpful as you can when you you know when you realize that someone's inexperienced is going to be problematic you know because there's some people that are inexperienced and find a new way you know and that's really exciting and cool but there's some people that don't they get lost and if you can help them out it's easier than complaining about it um but joel did joel joel was an incredibly confident guy and again had a sense of i think he had a sense of the future or what was coming down the line or how to be a part of it than most people uh and whether you like those films or not you know when you can't argue with the fact that three of his films are arguably uh you know benchmarks for 80s filmmaking yeah have you guys ever been intimidated by another actor or a director where you could actually feel that intimidation i'm intimidated by jason daly still is i'm glad he said it that's why i get his autograph i mean you've worked with somebody you've worked with some of the biggest names i mean both of you i mean you've been around at your hollywood royalty i mean you're you know you it's you got to think there's somewhere along the line where you're like you i mean was it was a few good man with nicholson was that was great that was i mean that was the only time i've ever gone to work um and actually half our cast went into work on their day off because the only two people working that day were jack nicholson and tom cruise and i just sneak in the back of the courtroom set and i just want to see and then i look around and every other actor on the show and a couple others i think bruce willis uh because he was with the me and uh yeah it was the gallery was just full of people and he did that in two takes the big one yeah you can't handle the truth it was two takes he did the whole scene in two takes uh and he had such a great way of learning it he would record he would read it and record it on a tape and then he would just play the tape in his car forever until he had to go do the scene and and the dialogue he just memorized it it was it was a part of him and so when he went to go do that scene i mean he just blew the room away and it was the first time i'd ever seen it and rob reiner just said well there's nothing else we can do with that thank you very much and he wrapped everybody early uh that whole speech yeah you need me on that line you want me that was what two takes the entire scene which is it's got to be 15 to 20 pages it's the whole crescendo of the film did it in two takes but you weren't intimidated by him no because he made a point to make sure i mean i i certainly knew who i was working with um but he made such a gracious point of making sure i felt comfortable and welcome and and uh jt walsh was on that film who has since passed uh i was friends with him he was great friends with mr nicholson and so so yeah i i've i've found that the people that i've worked with that are worthy of being intimidated are also really kind and go out of their way to make sure you feel comfortable so that you can do your best work with them wow jason about you i mean you worked with gene hackman didn't you i worked with hackman i worked with uh duvall i mean that those guys seemed like hackman seems like he'd be difficult he's one of my favorites but he seems like he'd be like you know he had a limited uh few days on geronimo and i gotta say like kiefer said one of the first things he came up to me and said that he had seen a movie of mine or two of them that he really liked this and that helped and that helped out um and but i don't you know i don't that did help but i i i was excited to work with people like it's like playing you want to play with tennis with people that are good and it was a similar situation that keeper said when i did sleepers because hoffman and deniro were wearing it and they'd never acted together because you know this is back in 93 or 94 so of course everyone showed up and it was in a courtroom so in the same thing everybody was in the gallery and it was funny because levinson was the director barry levinson and for the first few takes it was almost like no one was acting he sort of had to stop and then call them over and say it's okay let's let's act they were all everyone was underplaying everybody um but uh i don't know i mean no i liked it look if the person in front of you the more real they are the more inventive they are that gives you better choices it's better to play off that it's better to reflect off that i've always felt that what do what if you have an actor that you look up to that's just brilliant that is just like you're going this is [ __ ] terrible this person's just [ __ ] [ __ ] the bed in front of me and no that's exactly what i felt when i did that that guest star on smallville because lex luthor had always been my hero yeah yeah so i mean that's had to happen where you're one of your icons and the guys like and no one's given direction like this is not gonna be good i i in all fairness i i'm i'm i'm not trying to be politically correct i have not had that experience um you know i i think for me over the course of my career sometimes maybe i've misjudged the quality of the material i think we all have you know i think and that's no one's fault but mine right um but the actors that i've worked with uh you know not only have i been really lucky and fortunate to work with some incredible actors that everybody knows and that are huge icons and and they were not disappointing they were phenomenal at what they did i've worked with day players that'll blow your hair back i mean that are really great um you know uh that's as exciting as anything it is exciting because you're also never going to see those day players again yeah and you you get in there with a a day player and you know every day you go to work i'm going to dance and to have a good dancing partner wow you know and it's real by the way that's the hardest to be a day player and come on and not be like this is a family and all of a sudden you're stepping in and being great yeah and and so experiences like 24 and designated survivor really allowed me to have that kind of moment with other actors a lot and i valued those moments as much as anything you know period uh and i was just like man this guy or this this woman is just kicking the [ __ ] out of what is maybe not a very great scene is just kind of you know get us to point a to point b and they nailed it and they killed it and i've just those are the moments that i remember that i really really do love what i do you go out of your way sometimes to say hey i just want to say that was great if i see someone who does something that i think is great i will be the i will do everything i can to make sure they know and by the way that goes far i mean people love hearing that [ __ ] well if they've put the work in and you can see it they deserve it you know and and and so again you know my experience with actors has been pretty extraordinary and and i know i've been really lucky because i've sat at a bar more than once or twice and heard the stories of some of the crap that goes on i just haven't run into a whole lot of it right jay uh i think i've been pretty lucky i mean i haven't worked as much through the years as kiefer because there's a while there where i would just be selective in every year every two years just not work so usually the projects i was involved in early on especially were stuff that i had a lot of say in so uh i worked with the people i wanted to work with and and i got to work with directors where once again i had a lot of input but i've definitely had difficulties i mean anyone would it's it's it's a business filled with narcissists and vanity and i mean keith and i have been in it for 35 years so there's going to be there's going to be difficulties and there's going to be things that i don't know make it more difficult to get it up these days for me literally and figuratively well certainly certainly working-wise i don't know keeper's different that way he can get into a mode and and uh and really chug it out but uh i i in all honesty i'd be a little more dispirited i think you regret being more selective being too selective at one point in your life um i don't regret it because uh it led to certain projects that i'm proud of do i think that selectivity has a respect and integrity that ended up working in my favor probably not i mean the business changed so much it really became about uh fame and how many titles you have and things like that and i mean i can remember even back i mean geez when i did narc and i mean narc was on a shoestring budget there was nobody and then carnahan and uh and leota you know they met me wanted me to do it and there was a nothing company making it and this was back in 2000 and they didn't want me because they literally said i didn't have enough videos on the uh video shelf and jesus and i'll give it to carnahan i mean he said at the time look i'm gonna at least meet with uh with patrick i don't know if he's gonna do it but if you're not gonna let me meet then you know we're not making the movie so i mean that those are the kind of difficulties that came from that now there would be some people who would stand up like that but once again um i hadn't worked for three years before narc because i i did your friends and neighbors which i had produced so but i also got to say i've always looked at different points in my life is what is this project going to bring to me what can i give at 22 what can i give it 35 what can i do i have something to say with this director with this project because i really just looked at having a life honestly i never really tried to build a career and i think now maybe that bites a little in the butt but i wanted to live life and these these these stories that we'd ultimately act in for me anyway we're going to be a part of that life so that's the way i approached it not what would be the next the next best move so you still he's so full of it [Laughter] why is he full of he was he was patient he'd find the right film to do he basically liked having lunch with me and hearing me go man i really wanted to do that film did you like making it and whether it was belly of the beast or rush or you know those were the jobs that everybody wanted i mean and you have to understand you know robert de niro who was probably the actor that anyone in the early 80s kind of wanted to emulate certainly in the kind of career and work they were doing in that situation you did maybe one film every three years that you know i remember telling my daughter when she started i said you want to have the perfect career do two films one in your 20s and then one in your 40s and then and then be done you know and and everybody will call you a real artist um and it's the truth and i think at a very early age and as much as i believe there is an artistry to it uh this was how i was going to raise my kids and i had kids when i was really young yeah i was 19. and so i took a left turn and jason went straight you know and and i think you know i've always taken my hat off to jason uh because there was a credibility factor that he had that i don't think anybody uh you know or or you know the gary oldmans at that time did and the sean pans but it was that that was a that was a tricky wire to walk um so i always took my hat off to that and i thought it was really courageous inside of you is brought to you by better help better help online therapy uh you know you guys hear this every episode and uh you know how important it is and if you're questioning it or you're thinking about it i'm urging you to seek therapy get therapy because it's helped me and it's helped millions of people around the world um that is just a true statement i don't have to try and sell that one you know what is therapy i think therapy is 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son back for many years and there's that whole story but it's not like you go anywhere it's not like your talent escapes you but it's got to be frustrating sometimes when you're like not being considered for certain things it's like you know what the [ __ ] happened what time time happened yeah time happens father you know father time undefeated well it's not so much that you're not being considered people just think you're impossible to get you know so it's a double-edged sword and it's it's uh yeah you know but i think you have to look at the root of why the decision was made and i i will always have huge respect for you know the films that jason's made and the choices that he's made and i'm not joking every year we'd have a meal man i really wanted that film congratulations what was it like to make that you know i was just watching for uh your friends and neighbors and i that scene in the shower or it's like a five-minute push-in on jason's character and i'm just like it's one of the most powerful like even if you don't want to watch it or listen to it or you're doing tweeting and doing you're so drawn to it that i am just completely focused on that it was one of the most amazing monologues like i've ever seen it really truly was like i'm sure you're aware of that no thank you thank you and i mean let me guess kiefer was two takes uh i wasn't there for that i know i know i know actually uh you know one of the reasons i think it was so well written by neil labute and as i said i produced it and put it together and cast it and i said to him uh everything was filmed on location except obviously that we built that one uh steam room and i said you got a bill i i never wanted to tell him how to direct i said this has to be one take build a long dolly and just come to me and i'm not saying it for me i'm saying for your language you don't want to break away from it and he wanted in a way to make the longest monologue in american film at the time but as you know the content of it is so difficult to try to pull off because of where i couldn't believe what i was hearing yeah so and and once again to go back to we were saying earlier the degree of difficulty like a dive i love that we rehearsed every scene we did that movie like a like a play with three weeks of rehearsal five days a week culminated with a three-day retreat in a house we got in arrowhead now you could never do that with actors today to get me katherine keener uh ben stiller and assassin kinskier and eckhart myself and the thing was if one doesn't show up nobody shows up and don't forget there's no iphones then no one brings their kids so when we started we were ready ready to go and the one scene that we never ever rehearsed was that steam room scene jesus by the way i'm getting uncomfortable because uh i know this kiefer's been looking around at all these posts he's like what the [ __ ] wrong with this guy no no have you know did you not notice one over your left shoulder yeah i saw that as i sat down no always just take in one's environment how do you feel about that how do you feel about actors getting autographs from other actors people collect baseball cards cars you know i mean if for whatever reason if if it's something that that you dig you don't do it you don't have any autographs do you yeah i signed for him before he got up here yeah i got jason's autograph yeah he does that's about it that's about it i think i'm looking around at the posters kind of remembering when they had posters yeah i remember uh when we were doing young guns we we were doing young guns one and the first thing we shot was the trailer is that true yeah we shot the trailer shot for shot the very first day the trailer was us coming over the hill and all of us raising our weapons and firing into the camera and then it went young guns you know february 1987 or whatever it was and we shot the trailer and then we went straight from that and we all shot the poster i remember looking at lou diamond phillips and when i i hope no one [ __ ] dies and he went why and i said well because they won't be held they've put out the trailer saying you know we're doing stuff on horseback we're doing this that yeah there's no digital erasing a lot of accidents can happen here and if some if someone were not able to complete that film the whole ad campaign is just shot to hell so we started in a time when the poster and the trailer were as important as anything and in the case of young guns in their someone's executive's opinion more important than the film which i thought was hysterical because there were news there were newspapers there's no newspapers on newspapers when you got that big full-time ad i remember with lost boys now look that's a classic poster and that's all joel yeah warner brothers didn't know what to do with this movie and the movie did good it became huge on video but that's all joel he put that whole thing together and that wasn't a shot he took pieces from things uh photo shoots pieces from the film he did the poster oh yeah old joe that's all joe everything they had sucked warner brothers had no idea what they were doing that's all him but keeper's right there was also there's a romance to uh the old posters as you know because you have them here and it's the same thing with the trailer and we talked about this before i mean i think that we both find that we're lucky that we're been around a lot around long enough that we experienced when it was a big deal when a movie opened yeah because there weren't a hundred of them and there was no streaming and you knew from the trailer that this movie was coming out in a few months or whatever your favorite movie was and premieres were real so we had that last sort of wave of that hollywood history and also being part of films like lost boys that didn't have digital effects and it makes a big difference yeah if you i mean back in the day if you had a premiere in westwood that was it there was a shot you were going to do pretty well and definitely get laid at least yeah without question although i think i screwed that up too well let's say almost definitely definitely look you both come from hollywood royalty and i've seen so many like documentaries and i've seen the true hollywood story whatever the you know you've done all these interviews and stuff but like growing up like i grew up with a guy who was a manager at a pharmaceutical plant who worked his ass off and you know i didn't see him all that often until he came home and you know we have we had dysfunction in my family for sure like everybody else but i couldn't imagine you know you know your father late father jason miller was a pulitzer prize winner he he was the priest everybody knows the priest and the exorcist which was like unbelievable performance in that he was a great actor and of course your father's donald sutherland so it's like there's no [ __ ] way that it's easy because your fathers are probably both out they're all doing their things they're having careers and like being a kid it's got to affect you as a kid there's no doubt uh not having him around all the time and so i mean but growing up a sutherland growing up uh you know i guess like a miller at the time at the time i mean how how difficult was that and is it something that you know because i have stuff that happened from charlotte and you let things go i'm an adult you know my father i've talked about he's never capable of saying i love you i'm proud of you good job i've never heard those words even still even still you don't hear those words you don't hear them that's just not his but i've learned that that's just to you know he can't do that that's not who he is and i and i forgive him i love him but as a kid not hearing you're really good or you're smart i love you those are [ __ ] difficult things not to hear so i'm just wondering did you guys hear that stuff was that the constant or is it something you always were chasing or was it hard growing up i had a great childhood i mean i honestly have a pretty awesome life actually um you know i didn't grow up with my dad i grew up with my mom right uh a great theater actor uh every night after school have to go to the theater do our homework uh wait till the play performance was over and then we'd all go home so i was around the theater a great deal that's where i started that's where we ended um you know so and as a kid you just what you get is what you know so i didn't have any trauma or drama or you know and yeah my dad was was working and and i think probably one of the most prolific important careers in english language you know and i'm his son and i'm hugely proud of him uh did we spend a lot of time together no um do i understand it absolutely yeah um and we tried to make up for it as years went by you know did that work out yeah yeah i mean it's our thing is our thing and it's it is what it is so you know but i'm hugely proud of him i think he's an incredibly smart sometimes very very funny guy um and he's a brilliant brilliant actor and was really important uh i think to cinema and so it's what it is it also allowed me at a very early age to go i'm gonna do what i want you know because everybody else did so i found that to be really helpful yeah i always felt like there was a little competition with my dad and i like there was always like you know when i was an actor and he's working his ass off and making you know go to school and study and run a plan i was like oh you're making all this money being an actor that's not [ __ ] work i mean obviously he was an actor so you were both doing the same thing but did you ever feel like there was a competition no no no no it was i mean it was interesting for me things timing timing worked out my father had moved to france and decided to take a few years off he has three younger sons with a different mother or wife and uh so he took you know a sabbatical for really almost a decade and that was right when we started doing lost boys in our and my film so and i've asked him he didn't do it on purpose but he left a window open for me that i thought was you know pretty cool and and so yeah so i never felt that i just uh i'm sure you've had your moments no i mean i i honestly i'm thrilled when he's happy with the stuff that he's done uh and i'm thrilled when things are going really well for him uh and equally i'm grateful for the opportunities i've had and he commends you he'll call you after something i love that yeah yeah and you do the same yeah yeah absolutely wow how did it affect or did it affect how you raised your kids you growing up with an absent father did it have a change well it's not so much no because i mean i worked and i made a point of of kind of being in the same town as my daughter i think the biggest change for me was i got divorced uh from my daughter's mother when my daughter was quite young and i think i made a point of handling the divorce in a certain way that i didn't that i didn't think either of my parents did that very well uh so i i made a point of really trying to do that well and camilla and i are still really close friends uh to this day we still have thanksgiving and christmases together so i think we've done that about as well as as you can it's not something i'm recommending for anybody out there uh try and avoid divorce that's right and uh you know i'm i love camilla and always will and it's why we got married uh and we were lucky enough to be able to kind of take care of each other um financially and in other ways which is generally what makes people kind of go crazy it makes it easier on the kid though when your friends certainly you know certainly doesn't and in the you know the one person in the group that didn't get to make any of these choices is the poor child so sarah yeah yeah and and she's extraordinary and michelle and uh so you yeah so that was probably you know in looking back at as a parent looking back on my life if there was one kind of moment that i tried to do differently uh it would be divorce hmm you got to tell them the uh your wedding story and then i want to hear you about your you have to you tell them about your dad no what about the wedding story no no it's it's uh i was very young uh we were all young and jason was worried that that i wasn't making a very good choice and he had offered up his companionship and basically said you know if you start running right now i'll run with you and uh he said this at the wedding yeah well we were in the backyard and i said no i'm i'm good man i'm good thank you though there was a big wall in the back and there was lots of people there's a lot of drunk people and a lot of people on other substances and we're just talking and just in a wistful way looked at that wall and said to kiever is it you see that wall we run to that wall we climb that wall we just keep running and we just shared a little laugh about that well what about you though with your with your dad i know i mean it was different different than kiefer's because my dad had a brilliant burst and then that was it as kiefer said his dad had a much more sustained career and and was famous my dad i i never felt fame in my in in my family i mean we were very poor uh lived poor for a while um and my mother's father was a wealthy man but gave nothing jackie gleason right your mother's father was jackie gleason right but you guys were poor absolutely so jackie was jackie gleason at the time tipping doorman hundred-dollar bills but you know meanwhile you know uh hot dogs for thanksgiving for his daughter and and her husband yeah and kids what was there a reason behind that i don't know what the reason was to honest to be honest to god i i met gleason twice in my life so um i think there was probably an actor idea uh that he didn't approve of which is strange because he was and he came from great poverty but my dad wrote that championship season and then became a very big success had never been in a movie and got hired in the exorcist which is a story for another day it's a great story how he got that so you know he went from cashing three dollar checks at the bank to in a year and a half when he appealed surprise being nominated for an oscar in the biggest movie of all time and he's a kid ultimately aside from his talent from scranton pennsylvania coal mine and uh he couldn't handle it so that was as great as it was lifting us out of poverty and all this wondrous stuff that was the end of dad because he was gone after that well what about i gotta i'm thinking about jackie now there's all this success did jackie come back into the picture absolutely he did oh yeah and absolutely because they wanted to make movie versions of uh that championship season so gleason then wanted to play the coach and i think that's the point that my dad said go [ __ ] yourself uh which he had every right to do um look it there's a lot of crazy you know shakespearean fear and vengeance and anger in our business and i can't explain why as a father i can't explain why you wouldn't help your child i i don't know but that was the case look from my dad's standpoint it made him you know delivering welfare checks and driving cabs and being a waiter it made him um uh say i have to be a success and i think i told kiefer this when we were doing the play that he came home one day we lived in flesh and queens and i was pushing my brother on a broken down playground in this building we lived in he said he came up the uh the subway stairs he looked at us and i was pushing my brother and he said he started to cry he said i'm getting them out of here and he went up in the elevator and he started writing that championship season that day wow and so you know you d you you go with what you go with and what was your relationship with him was it pretty i mean it was definitely oh no definitely fraught because he was because he was gone um had you know major we've talked about you know your dad i don't know but mine had major alcohol issues and drugs and the truth is when he had this amazing sort of comet ball of fame and couldn't take it we lived back east then he moved california you know bought a porsche sort of lived his james dean fantasies out and sort of sadly pissed away this amazing amazing career that he had because at the time championship season was the longest running broadway show since streetcar named desire and he was gives one of the penultimate performances in the exorcist the 70s performance movie doesn't work without him so he can write his own parts in his own ticket and he just got caught up in the typical uh uh hollywood sort of downturn the spiral so from that you know as a young man you look up to your father and you also need him to be there but in some edible sort of way when i decided to do what i wanted to do i just cut that line man and wanted to become my own person and so i never talked about him or my grandfather or any of those things in the early days ever how was the relationship towards the end before he um passed did you kind of salvage things a little bit there was times where we were strange for a while but towards the end yes i mean because you just have to look at for them as you said this is who they are you know you're going to change them it's crazier for us to think that we're going to change our parents this is all he could do i mean in 1938 you're born in there and you if you want to have sex you marry someone right then you have kids you're not ready to do anything and then you all of a sudden follow your passions or your mistakes your demons and so you have to see you know who they are look doing the play all those years later not only reignited my uh uh relationship with kiefer which you know i love like a brother but it also in the court battle later on because i did that play and i did it in new york that's why i got uh gus back so in some karmic way for everything he did if i didn't do that play at that moment you know and have my son visit me at at that moment that piece of evidence that i used i never would have won and when you and kiefer did that championship season in 2011 yeah yeah did you you said something about didn't you take some of his ashes i had his urn for some ashes and i just put it on the stage as part of the as part of the things i figured i knew he would love this cast and figure he might as well put him up there what was that experience like i know it was short-lived but like was it an amazing experience it wasn't that short we did two couple months right seven months with rehearsals we were there at least five months and we've played it we played it out we it was the best experience i've had because not only we're doing this play every night i mean i'd say to kiefer every night he'd be in the wings but i started the play on on on stage alone and he'd be sitting in this window you know he doesn't come on for 10 minutes ready to go we do the same thing every time we'd give a little fist bump and say time of our lives and he'd say go kill it not in my head so it's not wow when you asked before do you know when something is going to be magical yes we did and even if it wasn't we wanted to appreciate all that moment right yeah it was it was a definitely was not a short time and it was a but it was it was a an incredibly balanced cast and and everybody went for it you know it was it was i miss the film industry the my experience in the 80s where you know you would go shoot a movie up in oregon and the entire cast and crew would move into a hotel and you take over the bar and and you just it was it was a very communal experience much more fraternal and and obviously that's changed um but when we went to do the play you know there was never a night that the five of us weren't every night out together and every night after every show we finished we'd go grab something to eat have a chat visit laugh about someone did this or that 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learn all those lines how does he [ __ ] work that much the guy who's always working why does he work so much are you someone that just has to work i've asked this question other actors i just i i enjoy it you really enjoy it 24 was was an incredible experience uh it was the closest thing i've had to a regular or real job and and and i've had actor friends of mine you know who were really nervous about doing television and and i spoke glowingly of it and then they went and did it and hated it you know they hated the repetition they hated i for whatever reason uh i didn't feel that way about that character i didn't feel that way about the show um you know if you want what i ended up walking away from with that is is you know if if you want to go to the olympics and be a sprinter you train you know and for me as an actor to be able to work five days a week 11 months a year you're going to learn some [ __ ] and i did how do you train for that what do you do what do you do to prepare for something well no i mean i mean you train with the regular things that you would do as an actress so you know after after a certain amount of time you start to realize your ability to absorb dialogue uh so that is exponentially improved you you realize that your ability to walk onto a set and figure out how to block a scene exponentially improves because you're doing it every day and when we started we were doing you know sometimes a film a year which is just a few months so it it taught me a lot and i loved doing it uh is it for everybody oh my god no because the people that i told them you know you'll love it do it they [ __ ] hate me they they didn't like it and uh you know it's not for everybody uh but i do i have always liked working uh you know you guys talked about gene hackman's my favorite actor yeah i've never met him i've never worked with him very jealous of that um you know he would do eight films in a year you know whereas robert de niro would do one and a half movies every three years but de niro would do that in the first 15 years yeah you know now you will see him now he does eight movies yeah yeah yeah but gene hackman literally did i remember the closest i ever felt to gene hackman was one year i did more movies than he did yeah you threw yourself a party yeah eight movies in a year he did yeah gene hackman obviously if he's done that many movies there's probably a lot of gene heckman movies i always assumed everything he was in was great oh no no well but these these were one of them was the package there there were some great films but look he had i think three ex-wives which is one of the reasons he's doing a lot of movies he could be part of he was also you know invasion of the killer bees but he was [ __ ] great in it not a good movie but he was great like the thing i've always admired about you know gene hackman and the poseidon adventure the guy does not have a false moment no the film might not be great but boy he's just i've never seen anybody that watchable and that can that can take me from point a to point b easier uh i just he's a marvel and the most believable temper yeah when he loses his [ __ ] what was that postcards from the edge you go home and you get your [ __ ] together yeah and he just loses his mind for a second i'm just like whoa he can go zero to 70 better yeah that's explosive and i i don't you don't see that very often somebody that could just go the [ __ ] up yeah and just snap like that i i really i mean you take a look at even the performance that he gave in uh bonnie and clyde which was so nuanced um i mean he's kind of playing the the hick dumb hick in the back of the car and and kind of bemused by words and what he doesn't understand it's just the delicacy uh that because he's a brutish kind of guy the delicacy with which he can do some of that work is really i also like guys i mean as keeper said bru and he was a marine and guys like that that come from something so totally different i mean we both understood somewhat what theater was what acting was doesn't mean we'd have to find our own ways but it wasn't a foreign concept i just love the idea how some big galoot who is a marine and then somehow stumbles into the business and brings that but it was also one of the one of the qualities of those great 70s films that a guy like gene hackman who looks like gene hackman a guy like elliot gould a guy like donald sutherland a guy like al pacino could be major worldwide movie stars and very hard to believe that that could happen today well yeah i mean the two biggest stars in the world at that time were robert redford and paul newman so when you think of someone like my dad i always thought he was the bravest man in the world because at that time to go yeah i'm gonna go become an actor and kill it yeah really you don't look like robert redford and paul newman you know and um and neither did gene hackman eliot gould robert duvall or pacino or hoffman yeah so it's it's uh because it's just acting it was all that mattered do you have the chops yes that's what mattered then and that's also that mystery which i keeper was alluding to of doing a film every year or so and disappearing and then coming back into that character that definitely influenced me in those early choices of mine without question well it was a big difference i mean certainly i can reference my father's work uh if you wanted to go see donald sutherland in a in a movie you had to go to the movie theater there was no option to watch it at home and so there was a big separation between film and television uh hbo the movie channels back in the 80s that started to blur the line uh and then the internet just debunked you know even more than that it wasn't just if you wanted to see a donald sutherland movie if you wanted to see donald sutherland's face mm-hmm you had to go to a movie fighter yeah same thing with the denier what does he look like who knows let's go see yeah and i always thought that why it was so powerful is when you did show up you got to learn about them through that yeah not this mindless crap that everybody has to do i got to see and i've seen de niro and letterman with hoffman and those people it's completely boring to me it's not interesting um and they're uncomfortable uh but to see the movie to just point out that jason said that not me i knew that was extraordinary kiefer loved you on letterman i did yeah uh no it's not interesting to me and it's not just him other actors i'm much it's much more interesting to me and i'm much more involved watching them in what they do as opposed to satisfying and these days satisfying all this mindless platform junk um to me it waters down the power of of everybody's gifts and you can make the musical reference of you know david bowie was the perfect example of what you're describing is david bowie didn't even stay in the same kind of genre musically aesthetically so you never really knew who he was and and the mystery of who he was was as exciting as the product that he was making right uh what was that album cover going to be and that is that is that's true that is that has changed the mystery is gone is what you're saying jason what absolutely is i mean bo is a good example but the other but there are actors who are similar is that the trends that were created was coming from whatever their artistic expression was where they were in their life now it's the opposite whatever the zeitgeist is you're supposed to fold into so you can get as many eyes as you can and it's gone the opposite way now you know and that's difficult and look i have a big problem with uh you know social media first of all it's a misnomer it's anti-social there's nothing social about it you're not socializing but the problem is that people are appropriating other people's lives by what is popular and living in someone else's virtual now and i think it's very hard for kids that's why you have all these studies now that talk about the the suicide and depression rate of people doing all that and you know we're actors and that's the way things get get seen now so you have to sort of i guess find a way to to to meld into it i haven't been good i've been good with it but you know also if you're a guy like kiefer or certain actors they don't even need to do social media it's not going to affect their career their careers you know what i mean i mean you're lucky in that that regard but for like someone like me or some effect jason's either i mean well jason doesn't do any social do you no yeah so it clearly has more than anybody's yeah i mean it's it's a tough one it's like you i i hate it i hate always feeling compelled to do it but you got to get your nose you're showing what you do and you're not melding by the way kiefer's instagram or whatever because show is mainly about his music which is amazing so it's not hey here's my donut and here's my puffy pout this is what i'm this is what i'm about and i think that you do a really sort of classy uh uh very sort of underhand way compared to everyone else now you know man but you have something to talk about with that and this the music well and the main the main benefit for me uh with social media look i've been incredibly fortunate and other people have backed me up on that and so you know to be able to have a moment where you get to thank an audience that that's true collectively enjoyed something that you did man i'll take that any day of the week um but but i agree with jason that that it is it's unfortunate uh you know when you get to the bullying and you get and you see how young people think that like the number of young people that i've seen said well the whole world knows you know what i look like naked because someone posted this picture i'm like well the whole world's not looking you know i think we had to remind ourselves back in the day that if if a review was bad you know it was wrapping fish the next day and it was you know and you know we need to kind of dial back the whole this idea that the whole world is interested in anything any of us really do and just kind of take a deep breath and go ah but it is true that if you make a mistake in youth or even have an opinion that at the time is not where the wave of opinion is going that is there forever and we don't have to get into the cancer culture but that is another thing that and i think that's the problem of appropriating other people's behavior and living things you're not able to just feel who you are and and be able to speak and make those mistakes or more importantly have your opinions change yeah i think that's your opinions change yeah we grow we evolve i think you said some things maybe in the 90s maybe you didn't mean it we say [ __ ] all the time so you definitely have to watch them out people get fired immediately for certain things and it's you know what's good though is that you were just talking about like for someone like kiefer who doesn't really use social media except to talk about like you know let people know about the band right you love your music it's probably your first passion it sounds like it i mean no i love them both i love storytelling and so whichever kind of medium you want to use to do that storytelling you know uh we did that championship season we told jason's dad's story yeah uh write a song about a moment or a thought i love to do that and then to go do a film or do a show like 24 uh it's all storytelling to me and it's just different ways you can present that what i love is the fact that there's a lot of actors i have a band called sun spin you know and i love them i love the album that just came out we really busted our ass but you of course people look at you go oh actor trying to be a musician oh keeper southern's but then i'm like wait a minute these guys are [ __ ] on tour in 200 [ __ ] cities across the country he's got all these albums and i started listening to it and i was like wow not putting my band down but i was really impressed thank you you know and one song that really touched me was not from this album because reckless in me is the new album right it is or did another record in the pandemic but won't come out for another few months yeah sweet but uh i love that song from down in the hole the album down on hold called my best friend yeah yeah because i just you know i i just i felt it i think i think we've all been there where yeah you kind of wake up one day and go wow i'm the one hurting myself you know find a way to make me my best friend was just like that lyric you know thank you very much great line yeah because i always think like you know people so many times on this podcast or like dude be better to yourself don't you're not dumb you're not you know they're all sometimes my perception of myself and then i listen to that song and it just was exactly like it's like love yourself dude [ __ ] just love your [ __ ] self and i don't know a human being on the planet that hasn't needed to be told that once you know uh or reminded uh you know it's look it's been it's been an interesting time the thing that made uh kind of caught my ear when you said you know actor trying to be a musician i'm not trying to be anything i can play i can write exactly i'm not trying to be anything you either like it or you don't like it but i'm not trying to be anything um and and i'm not doing it and there is a big difference this is not how i'm putting food on my kids table this is not how i'm making sure that they're all right uh i get to do it how i want it the way i want it um and again uh the first tour we ever played i was happy anybody showed up literally if 10 people showed up i was thrilled yeah uh the fact that more people did i was grateful for that um do i understand why 50 000 didn't show up oh my god yes you know i mean it's no big deal uh you know so it's it's again i think especially at this stage in my life when you start to realize you got more years behind you than you do in front do it because you want to do it you know if you're lucky enough to be in that place uh then do it could i play one hair of the song sure is that you playing [Music] most of the people that i've known that let me down or cause me pain most of the people that have known me too probably say the same but i don't know when it got so bad or how it hope went off track all i know is i can't waste more time no more looking back so goodbye [Music] it's time to start again i'll find a way yeah i'll find a way to make me my best friend come on that is song writing that is pen to paper folks thank you very much really i really really love it i really love it touch it touch the soul it really did you got to see him in concert i can't wait really tight band and it's really please let's go you got to see his dancing moves yeah i've seen i you know i looked i was watching some concerts online i was watching one time you're telling a story on stage about how you uh wrote a song for your mom and you told about her then she looked at you like she was upset yeah because well i wrote about her passing because she had had a really bad stroke and uh and then of course the plane landed she had my sister had said she wasn't going to make it so i flew home and she did make it and then i had this song for a long time it was called saskatchewan uh and i said look i want to play this for you so you know what i'm going to be going through because i thought you were going to pass away and i wrote this and i and i just thought maybe play it for you so you know how much i'm going to miss you and i played with a song and uh she she looked upset and i started thinking oh my god what have i done this is the dumbest thing why would you do that why would you play her this song and i start to apologize and she says no no sweetheart you know i don't want to be buried in saskatchewan right and i said yes i know it's a metaphor that that's where you're from and she says oh then i love it [Laughter] so that's amazing and my mom has since passed so if she can hear me now i miss you and uh and she was she was funny like that and so kiefer did put you in saskatchewan i'm sorry no i did not no he didn't hey really quick this is called rapid fire this is just uh patrons my fellow patrons just asked questions you could do really fast there it is jason have you found a new guilty pleasure during the pandemic if so what is it uh pickleball have i found a guilty pleasure yeah cooking cooking cooking uh leanne p what character have you portrayed do you relate the most to i uh for me it would be jack bauer jack bauer as well jack bauer yeah come on is that true who there's got to be a character i really could not you couldn't tell it no all right uh lisa h for kiefer so many great roles in films but one of my faves was flashback what was it like working with dennis hopper dennis hopper is amazing um i'll tell you a very quick funny story about dennis please uh we're coming back from work one day and and i had only known him for about two or three days and he was getting married or he just got married and and i had just gotten married too but i was 19 and he was closer to 60. and and i was in the truck with him and i said you know i think it's so cool that you waited to get married till you absolutely knew you were with the right person and he looked at me and he said are you an idiot and i said what no why and he said it's my fourth marriage you [ __ ] i literally was so naive that i thought that he had waited until he was 50 something years old to get married because he was holding on for the right one i love dennis after that you canadian you yeah michelle k says did you keep any souvenirs from lost boys either of you i kept the leather jacket and the sunglasses and then gave them both away i think i kept the jacket for a while and i don't know where it is now well you know somebody who would like it maisha maisha is there an artist kiefer you'd love to jam with and also going home is my favorite song by all oh that's very very sweet oh my god the list of people that i would like to play with is is just is ridiculous um you know again the aspect of music that i like the storytelling uh i'm not the greatest guitar player i'm certainly not the greatest singer um but i've loved the storytelling so there's so many different players uh that that i would love to play with um one of my favorite storytellers though just from a very early age was david bowie i think i would have loved to had been able to visit with him for some time just to talk to him about songwriting and and and [Music] get a sense of how he visualized so much of the stuff he did yeah that would have been awesome meeting bowie back in the day uh cynthia i remember watching the movie rush jason you and jennifer jason lee were extraordinary what was the way you approached this role and how emotionally intense was it to portray that character um yeah it was rough because i um it's so totally different than me that that type of character and someone in that deep deep especially how old i was 24. so at that someone who would live that kind of life and that kind of desperate addiction so uh as i said before instead then going on doing a bunch of drugs and hoping to get film that way i feel you have to find those places in yourself that are that desperate and that dark and i didn't have the technique at time to find it and do it so for that four months i've stayed in that type place and it was pretty heavy it's pretty heavy man kefir will we see jack bauer again are you done with 24. i have learned to never say no when we finished when we finished season eight i said we were done and then we went and made season nine look there should be no mistake here i absolutely love the character and i love making 24. uh with television the burden is on the writers uh and if those writers howard gordon were to come up with uh a great idea i would always be open you'd shave your beard for it oh my gosh yes he shaves balls for us kelly s would love to hear you say damn it chloe one last time damn it chloe he did it yeah he [ __ ] did it all right now look this comes the end of the whole interview but there's one question there's an elephant in a room i gotta ask has anyone ever asked i'm sure when you were going to get married to julia roberts i know this is old [ __ ] hat this is 30 years old 30 plus 30 years old so who gives a [ __ ] at this point right it's been that long i mean you were kids then supposedly you had a thing with julia roberts you took off to somewhere where'd you go well i mean that was all that was all the the the press i mean the fact was from my sister ireland yeah i went to ireland ireland uh yeah i was gonna say have you guys ever talked about it was it always yeah you have yeah we talked yeah sure yeah well because go ahead go ahead james no we talked about we hadn't seen each other um we hadn't seen each other for over 20 years and then we contacted i don't know if it was that long but yeah sure it was man yeah yeah we probably i think we hooked up again in 2009 or 2010 and i hadn't seen and nine yeah over 20 for that well so a long time but yes we had talked about it look the thing is is that she's not here so right in this room so i'd feel strange talking about what she told me or what she told kiefer because she could speak for herself right but the large stuff about the press and being invited to the wedding and then taking off at the bride and all that that's all [ __ ] that's all [ __ ] you know i mean i don't keep for a specific relationship and what they were at the time that's theirs i mean he can speak but ultimately there was a thing in uh rolling stone and kiefer said something and then you called kiefer right well i was making a joke about the country song and someone had asked me a question about jason i said well i mean you know i lost my pickup and my dog and my best friend and i miss my best friend you know and so look the press can make whatever it does and and that was a difficult time for me and i think it was an uncomfortable time for both of them um but look honestly the truth where i'm coming from you fall in love you fall in love there's nothing you can do about that and and she's an extraordinary person and he is too and and you know timing is what it is and you know everybody moves on from that well the maturity though because i mean most people could never you know get over something like that or they would hold grudges or whatever but you guys had a bond i guess i don't know i mean george harrison and eric were best friends till the bitter end you know but it wasn't it you know it it wasn't to and it wasn't that by the way right so that's right i figure if they could deal with what they dealt with we could i think when we when i saw him again whenever that was 12 years ago whatever it sort of it was a few words of this and that it was more of a laugh and a toast and i've said in the press before they've both been subsequently married since a couple times i think they're both very happy in their lives and what lasted after all that is me and kiefer is you know 35-year buddies never got the truck back [Applause] so keith when are you guys playing again with all this pandemic stuff we've got a tour in europe in october and hopefully we'll be able to play here in the states come july and where can they go to get some information your instagram as soon as we have it uh we'll put it up on instagram and then it'll also go through ticketmaster and your instagram's at kefir southern one i hope so i think that's what it is cool all right that sounds good we're going to go but you're going to play anywhere in the states before you go like a little show here too hopefully uh in in july and then you know as stuff as stuff is opening up and i and i think it needs to go slowly and i think people need to be smart about this um but there's a couple opportunities that might come around in june where i'll just go out and do kind of solo shows with the guitar and and stuff like that so i'm excited about that it's definitely worth it you guys yeah so if you ever need like the opener and then then there's a second band and the third band then you you need the one first guy to go second guy gus and i your son jason we can go you know get on stage well gus is a much better guitar player than anybody gus is awesome the kid's unbelievable yeah he's special he's special yeah gus we love you man you're in your incredible buddy that he is he loves kiefer this has been by the way congratulations on quitting smoking how long have you quit oh seven months dude that's how hard is it is it still hard i miss it you know uh i'm glad i'm not smoking how much were you smoking a pack a day oh stop a pack a day before noon i've been trying to get him to stop smoking since 86 without question i really liked it you know i really did uh i did it for a reason you know and uh i'm really proud honestly i don't feel much better for it [ __ ] but everybody around me uh feels better feels a lot better before about this so well you probably smell better your clothes smell better you don't really care about it smells really good today yeah really was it is that your car what is that car it's one of those little fresheners yeah i thought it was draco i thought you said his car and it was like your car the air freshener they smell good but to all those folks out there that have quit smoking into people that are considering quitting smoking i mean uh it's hard and i never thought i would quit uh i was i was i had taken the long-term plan uh but it is possible do you feel better right now than you did when you're smoking i felt pretty good when i was smoking um you know and i ran and i did a lot of stuff but yes i feel better you said your voice is better yeah there's a lot of there's there are there are significant benefits including life including including life yeah no and and the truth is you know it's it's made such a difference uh to people who are around me and and for that i feel really bad that for for 40 years that plus yeah so plus but honestly if you're out there and you're considering smoking and it just seems like an impossible barrier it's not i mean if you did it if i keep saying by the way i read an article that jackie gleason your grandfather smoked six packs of cigarettes a day at least four without question just light light the last one uh with the new with the net yeah the last one with the next well guys i hope i didn't keep you too long this has been really awesome brother this has been yeah this has been really fun thanks for coming in and you're the first guest i've had in over a year because i've had to do zooms so hell yes and and thanks thanks again for coming over i really appreciate you taking your time thank jay we'll do you next time so we can talk we have so much more to talk about all right inside of you inside of you thank you for allowing me inside of you keeper today i really enjoyed the conversation between these two and when i brought up uh julia roberts at the end i saw keith for kind of giving me that look a little bit but he was so sweet about it and jason and uh you know he gave that little wink when i'm like well so who went to ireland uh where did you go with julie and kiefer goes ireland they went to ireland uh but you can tell these guys have been friends for a long time and you know it's great that they could still be friends after all these years and some of the you know [ __ ] and you know hollywood always amps everything up like i'm sure there was a there's a lot of reasons behind why you know the wedding didn't happen and you know and then how uh jason got involved with julia and it just gets blown out of proportion and you got to choose who you're going to believe and the fact that their friends and their friendship is stood this stood the uh 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Channel: Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

Views: 140,247

Keywords: inside of you, iou, inside of you podcast, michael rosenbaum, michael rosenbaum podcast, smallville, smallville podcast, stephen amell panic attack, celebrity podcast, mental health podcast, kiefer sutherland, jason patrick, kiefer sutherland and jason patric, kiefer sutherland interview, kiefer sutherland lost boys, kiefer sutherland inside of you, jason patric interview, jason patric rush, jason patric interview 1987, jason patric and kiefer sutherland, jason patric lost boys

Id: jeZYc4dlNso

Length: 88min 31sec (5311 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 27 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/Shirubaa]

Please, we just need one more to properly wrap things up.

...and don't kill him at the end.

[u/DoodleDew]

He’s said before he’d be open to another 12 episodes short season, movie etc as long as the story was good and it made sense.

I know actors say this all the time, but I believe him when he says it

[u/My-Darling-Abyss]

Kiefer should keep that beard for season 10!

[u/i_am_groot_84]

Timestamp was a little off, fixed it

[u/hydroxybot]

Can he please keep that beard in the Russian prison.

[u/[deleted]]

Sweet thst would be awesome 😁

[u/itscurt]

Dammit!

[u/metalslug123]

I haven't kept up with this podcast in a while. Gonna have to catch up with this episode.

[u/Adas_Legend]

Kiefer with a beard is quite different 😂