Kentucky Mom's Alleged Double Child Murder —Everything We Know About Accused Killer Tiffanie Lucas

are you walking are y'all shopping yeah go peanut go peanut no peanut no peanut yay we're going to get into everything we know in the Tiffany Lucas story with crime fixes and Janette Levy this is the case of the mom accused of shooting to death her two young boys welcome to sidebar presented by law on crime I'm Jesse Weber all right let's get back to a story that we've been following for a little bit we want to do kind of a deeper dive on it we haven't talked about in a couple of weeks so this is that horrific story out of Kentucky where a 32-year-old mother is accused of shooting to death her own children Tiffany and Katherine Lucas has been charged with the murders of her two young boys six-year-old Maurice 9-year-old Jaden they were found by authorities in the home shot in the head and you know when we first covered this case I actually interviewed bullet County Sheriff's office uh Chief Deputy Colonel Alex Payne uh and again this is when it first happened we didn't know all the details he couldn't reveal so much and he said something to me that even though I know what happened now it was just so chilling when I first heard it uh let's just play that real quick I can tell you the the boys were shot in an area that would not be survivable for anybody um however they were alive uh to the best of our knowledge when they were transported by EMS to the hospital Hospital U and U and passed away while at the hospital yeah pretty horrifying there a bullet County Sheriff's detective Richard Beal testified during a court appearance that two neighbors a husband and a wife called 911 after hearing gunshots and Beal explained that after reviewing nearby ring doorbell footage you can hear four gunshots they were fired within 30 seconds and then about 5 minutes after the last shot Lucas leaves the home and yells for help even tells a neighbor allegedly that quote her kids were dying that neighbor apparently ran inside attempted to help the boys when police arrived Lucas allegedly was lying in her neighbor's driveway she was arrested she was interviewed and she told the police that the shooting was seemingly an accident that someone had given her a gun but also she said that quote she's in such a bad spot and is quote so stupid and that quote she would never do anything like this unless someone manipulated her the gun by the way was reportedly found on the bed detective Beal also testified that Lucas quote made statements that she was being manipulated through Facebook through the internet or through Wi-Fi through Facebook and through her Wi-Fi being manipulated into doing what she did she was charged with two counts of murder as I said and a bullet County Judge set a $2 million bond for Lucas saying that she is a danger to others well now we want to get into a little bit more of this and I want to bring on correspondent for the the long crime Network and host of crime fix Anette Levy andette always good to see you thanks for coming back on yeah thanks for having me Jesse I'm sorry it has to be for such a really awful story but I think it's important that we talk about it yeah unfortunately like that's something that a lot of my guests say I wish it was under better circumstances but those are the cases that we're covering you actually cover this quite a bit uh on your show crime fix just to start off what is your reaction your thoughts on this because you know it's one that we want to keep covering cuz it's so shocking yeah well I have a lot of thoughts on it actually um you know it would be it would have been interesting for us to have gone to the pre preliminary hearing we didn't um but here are my here are my thoughts on this um you know it's so weird how people can look so together on social media that's why I think social media is often so deceiving we we saw those pictures of her on Halloween or around Halloween with her kids they look all happy they're in their costumes every body's having fun when it sounds like from everything we're learning that you know her her life was a wreck behind the scenes and I I I think this is probably somebody who um I know that the the family members of the two boys say we we don't believe that she had mental health issues maybe she does maybe she doesn't but I know a lot of times people who struggle with addiction and who are addicted to drugs they're you know they're self-medicating they they get into drugs because they do have mental health issues and they're they're taking drugs or they get into drugs to feel normal or they or they try drugs and they get hooked you know it's all it's all how your body and your brain reacts to the drugs once it gets into your system so she may have some mental health problems cobbled with these addiction issues and it just creates this this perfect storm it doesn't make her not responsible for her actions and it sounds clearly like like she killed her little boys working here researching covering the stories we do you quickly 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so it it really came out of nowhere um you talked about the potential that her history of drug abuse what do we know about that and her criminal record well she was arrested um you know she had a drug arrest back in I believe it was 2018 and she she has some history of of drug abuse and so whether or not she was ever really clean I don't know um but she had had that one charge and that's really the only charge we know about and the people who do drugs and I mean you know drug addiction especially when you're talking about opioids and stuff like that in this country it's an epidemic so you could be doing drugs and using drugs have drugs and you know nobody nobody realizes or nobody knows or you don't get caught because so many people walking around you go to the grocery store who knows if the person next to you at in the produce section is struggling with addiction is and has a drug addiction problem you just don't know um because people can often put on a mask and and look like they're normal on the outside so we do know that she had a history of drug addiction but it was only that one charge it was that just that one criminal charge uh that we are aware of yeah so like you said it was 2018 she played guilty to these drug charges she was sentenced 30 days in jail but there were no arrests from 2018 until of course uh these shootings um I believe a family friend had actually reached out to local news and said that you know she was very confused and shocked by this you know everything seemed to be okay and seemed to be fine and one of the chilling things is there was a report I think from 2016 when she had opened up a business she was a business owner Tiffany and Lucas at one point right so Tiffany Lucas opened Tiff's One-Stop shop back in 2016 so if you look at the the timeline here being a small business owner is a really difficult job and so she she didn't have that store open very long and if you look at the Timeline here she she's on the news talking about being a small business owner opening this business uh she had done an interview with WDRB down there in Kentucky about this and so she it's 2016 then she's got these drug charges in 2018 um you know that the business was not successful it eventually closed so who knows what was going on there is she not able to successfully run this business because she has these struggles with addiction uh so she she had at least been trying appears to to do something good I mean she she's trying to run a business and and it didn't work out for her yeah she had told W drb you I cook hot food in here it's really what sells the best she says a lot of people don't make their way down here but if there's a Walmart you know come out of the woodwork for Walmart uh so probably would have brought a lot of people to you know stop and check us out but like you said that business closed up by the way we're we also learned something I think relatively recently um I think we learned relatively recently about the house where the shootings happen what do we know what's happening with that house well it was a rental house Jesse and uh we know that when family members had gone to you know clean out the house because Tiffany Lucas is in jail and sadly the boys are deceased the house was a wreck it was a mess and as you can imagine you know if she is struggling with mental illness and she's actually claiming that she's being manipulated through Wi-Fi who knows maybe she is here was hearing voices I who knows she was or not we just don't know uh what the actual truth is here we have to wait and find out more um she may have just been trying to get by I don't know um but the house was a wreck there were eviction notices all over the place so her life was in shambles and put that next to the photo on Facebook from Halloween and then there's that other photo where it appears they're like at a Lego store or something like that that look looks like a perfect day out with the kids with the boys and then then they walk into the house and everything's a rack and there are eviction notices everywhere those two those two images they do not square but there were efforts in the past to reach Child Protective Services because it seems at least from the brother of the boys he had claimed uh that family members had called CPS they had concerns over the years no yeah that is true Jesse um some of the family members do claim that and that they were concerned but I'll tell you what um when I worked in local news I I covered a tri-state area uh for 10 years that included Kentucky it was Ohio Kentucky and Indiana and especially in Kentucky in any state really but really in Kentucky especially it's like impossible to take kids away from a parent especially a mother um and when you make these complaints first of all these Child Protective Services agencies there's there's a lot going on here and we don't know the ins and outs of what what the complaints were and how those were handled but a lot of times these places these agencies they're overwhelmed you have these low paid social workers investigating these claims and these complaints and you know it takes a lot to get children removed from a home so we don't know the exact nature of the complaints how they were handled many times those complaints are kept um secret they're confidential for for many reasons maybe we'll learn more about that as the court process unfolds but you know these agencies these people are overwhelmed overworked we don't know if that was part of this at all but it's like impossible to get you know kids at times out of a house I mean did they go to court did they go to court and file paperwork and say look we think these kids are in danger you know we need a trro or something we don't know that I I don't know if that even happened but if they made um complaints to child protect Ive Services agencies you know we're going to have to wait to see what happened with those um and how those were handled you had mentioned Court do we know what the next step in this process is when her next court appearance is or anything like that you know I checked up I checked on that I was doing a little bit of looking around on that and right now we don't have any idea when her next court date will be held uh that's because her last court date was a preliminary hearing and so now the case will be presented the prosecution will go to a grand jury and they'll present the just to be clear with the preliminary hearing there was enough evidence for the judge to actually say that this should move over move forward in the the process right at a preliminary hearing that's exactly what happens the the Commonwealth Attorney in Kentucky would put on a witness or two to just show to the judge look there is probable cause a very low standard that this defendant committed the crime and this case should go to the grand jury and that's the next step so now the pro that that determination was made yes there's probable cause so now the Commonwealth attorney will go to the grand jury which is a secret proceeding present evidence to the grand jury uh they will indict her and then the case will um be bound over for trial she'll have to you know it'll be set for an arraignment of course after the grand jury indicts her and then that court date will be set and when I mentioned detective Beal he one of the people that spoke at that preliminary hearing and a lot of that evidence was based on him um you know we talk about the family's response the community as well the family and the community what have you been hearing uh in the aftermath of the the killings of these two boys what's their feeling after this oh I mean it's heartbreaking it's it's devastating it's heartbreaking I mean anytime something like this happens Jesse I I I think people are always thinking to themselves we would have helped we would have done something we would have taken the boys I mean you know anytime you hear about something like this there are always people that say we would have had we had had we have known obviously if if family members are saying we made complaints and we would have done you know we would have helped or we were trying to cry for help and those cries fell on duff ears I mean we still don't have enough information to know but this is this has been a shock to the community and those boys um you know being parent is really challenging but this is just anytime a child is harmed like this it's beyond the pale and it's horrible and I I think people are just horrified by this those little boys were beautiful and it's it's heartbreaking it really is um and I'll just leave everybody with this so Michelle rice who's Maurice's stepmother she told WDRB that family as you mentioned had reached out to Child Protective Services she believes that drug abuse played a role um and she basically in response to what the allegation was that you know Lucas was manipulated she said nobody can manipulate you to do such a horrific thing nobody can manipulate you to do that we love them so much so many other people really love them and could have been there to help them but she wouldn't allow that she was too selfish and now they're gone really really sad case we're going to continue to follow it both here on sidebar and anette's going to follow it on crime fix Anette Levy thanks so much appreciate it yeah thanks for having me Jesse and that is all we have for you right now here on sidebar everybody thank you so much for joining us please subscribe on podcast Spotify YouTube wherever you get your podcasts I'm Jesse Weber speak to you next [Music] time

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Published: Fri Dec 08 2023