Katherine Magbanua's Plea Deal | Dentist Mastermind Murder Trial

now you were arrested and charged with the murder of Professor marel on October 1 2014 I'm sorry 2016 correct yes sir almost immediately the state talked to your lawyers and offered you full immunity a get out of jail free card right I don't know if that was immediately pretty soon after you got arrested you were offered to cooperate against Charlie adelon and the other adelon and you would get to go home to your kids right yes sir and your lawyers told you about that offer yes sir they did you also saw an interview on TV while you were in jail in which one of the prosecutors mentioned this immunity offer right yes sir you have two kids who are your world right yes sir if you took the state's deal then you would have been let out of jail immediately right that's what your lawyers told you if I took their deal yes sir but you didn't take the offer no I didn't instead you stayed in jail for three years before your first trial right yes sir you stayed in jail through coid after your first trial hung yes sir you still didn't cooperate still the deal was still open right well the deal was to give up Charlie and you couldn't do that because in order to give up Charlie I had to give up S the father of my children so I couldn't do that so the while you're in jail sitting in jail during coid that you knew there was still a deal possibility open for you right you could still take a deal your lawyers told you that before Co after my mistrial yes I believe so and you still didn't take the deal right no Charlie Adon didn't for force you to take the deal not take the deal right no I had no communication with Charlie he didn't pay for your attorneys he didn't pay for my attorneys but there there was word that he was my brother declined him paying for my attorneys I had anything to do with him I I know you have an agenda here but just answer my questions yes sir did Charlie adelon pay for your attorneys no sir he did not did anyone in the adelen family pay for your attorneys no sir did anyone in the Aden family pay any money to your kids no sir you had nothing to do with Charlie adelen right after the bump no sir I did not now the real reason you didn't cooperate and you made it clear is because Charlie Adon had absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Professor Marquel isn't that the case I didn't cooperate because in in order to give give up Charlie I'd have to give up Sig Fredo well let's talk about the testimony in your first trial and don't worry we're going to get to your propers as well okay but let's talk about the testimony in your first trial you were asked did you get the father of your children Mr Garcia to commit a murder on behalf of Mr Charlie adelen answer no ma'am do you recall saying that yes sir you were asked can you do you have information that Charlie adelon was involved in this answer do I have information I don't have personal information do you recall that no sir I do not you don't recall saying that in your first trial no sir I do not would you like to see a transcript of it yes I will I'll direct your attention to page 28 2800 lines 1 through 5 please read to yourself does that refresh your recollection that that's what you said yes sir it does during your second trial do you recall being asked Charlie didn't ask you to do anything weird answer no ma'am like get someone to get a hit man to commit a murder of his ex- brother-in-law no ma'am do you recall those questions in that answer yes sir I do because you couldn't implicate Charlie you went to trial and the first trial hung isn't that the case yes sir a few weeks before your second trial Charlie was arrested isn't that the case yes sir the state waited and waited and waited for you to cooperate and then they arrested him on the eve of your trial when you made it clear you weren't going to cooperate right yes sir so you went to trial the second time and this time you were convicted yes sir and you were convicted of first-degree murder and other charges right yes sir a few weeks after your conviction you were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole plus another 30 years do you recall that yes sir and you were transferred from the jail in Leon County to the state prison where you would spend the rest of your life right yes sir away from your family yes sir away from your children yes sir and you realize that there are only two ways to get out of that prison right what are the two ways well one way was in a coffin right yes sir and the other way was cooperating against Charlie adelon right no sir I wanted the truth to finally come out what are the only two ways that you can ever get out of prison miss magbanua my appeal oh well we'll get to that too you have a appeal pending right now right yes sir that claims that you're innocent yes sir let's just make this clear to the jury Miss kappan has called you as a witness against this man who's Presumed Innocent you've just testified that you did a murder and you have an appeal pending right now in this County claiming your innocence isn't that true yes sir and lo and behold weeks after you were convicted and sentenced to life with no parole you went in and met with the state right yes sir and you met with them not once but twice yes sir and you met with them for hours yes sir a combined total of around six hours right yes sir now we're going to get into that and all the lies that Miss kelan didn't go through with you that you made during those interviews but let's go back to the first trials first okay in each of those trials you took the stand for your own defense right yes sir and you took the same oath and looked at different jurors the same way that you look today right yes sir and in your second trial not only did you take an oath in this room but isn't it true that you tried to get sigfredo to lie for you no sir I did not isn't it true that you were caught on a recording in the prison in which you were going to have sigfredo Garcia come into your trial your second trial and say that he did the murder with Charlie adelen all by himself no sir you never were on a recording of that fact your plan at your second trial wasn't to have s Fredo Garcia testify on your behalf no sir are you aware that your lawyer opened up on that plan in her opening no well did you sit through the trial yes sir I did did you sit through the trial when she said to the jury you're going to hear from sigfredo Garcia who's going to say that the murder was between him and Charlie adelen and that you're just a victim of having bad taste in men he never came up he refused to come and testify right I don't know if he refused he just never he was never called are you aware that you and your lawyer subpoena him to come down to leyon county to testify on your behalf he was subpoena but he just never showed up and he he didn't never took the stand right he was subpoenaed by you correct yes sir and you got on the phone with him you were caught because you're not supposed to talk to each other right yes sir but you guys talk to each other because what you do is you call his mom right sir and he calls his mom isn't that what you all do at that time yes sir yeah you call each other so that you could talk to each other through the mom and during one of those calls you asked him to come testify on your behalf isn't that what you did no I did not ask him okay well we'll move on to some other lies during your first trial you were asked you didn't ask Mr Garcia to help this lady get her kids back in Tallahassee answer no ma'am you didn't solicit him to commit a murder of Dan marel answer no ma'am do you recall those questions and answers yes sir you were asked well back then did you know someone by the name of danam marel answered no ma'am in 2014 you learned that Wendy adon's divorce was already finalized right I learned that in court I didn't know it before do you remember those yes those words those were lies right yes I lied in my trials to save myself we'll keep going you lied when you said that Charlie told you that Professor marel had been in an accident right I lied that say it again sir well I'll ask you the questions do you remember having a conversation with Charlie adelen about his brother-in-law being in an accident does that sound familiar to you it sounds familiar yeah that was a lie right no that's what Charlie said he told you that he was in an accident he'd tell you that there was a murder no he told me he was in an accident so you didn't know about the murder of Dan marel July 18th is that what you're telling this jury no not at that time when did you find out about the murder of Dan marel it was later on oh really so the money that you bought brought to the guys that Miss kappan brought up on opening the money you brought up to the guys on July 19th it was cuz Dan Marquel was in an accident I didn't know that that was Dan Marquel like I didn't know his name oh but there was a murder that happened yes at the March 11th dinner that you had with Mr laass at Yardbird Dan markel's name wasn't mentioned no sir would it surprise you that Mr lacos has testified to the opposite of that no I haven't seen his testimony at your first trial you were asked did Charlie mention anything to you about a murder out of Tallahassee so now it's not Dan marel it's just a murder out of Tallahassee and your answer was no ma'am question did he mention anything about his ex-brother-in-law being murdered answer no ma'am do you recall those questions yes sir and those were lies right yes I told you I lied I lied in my trials to save myself I I understand please let me keep going through them there's a lot of them so take we'll take our time yes sir now now you said you never saw any cash at Charlie's place do you recall that at trial he had cash but I just never I didn't know how much he had I know he keeps cash in his in his um safe but I thought you just testified moments ago that you never saw cash at his place they didn't keep cash at his place that supposedly his parents had to bring the cash isn't that what you just told this jury about 18 minutes ago an abundance of cash have you seen a safe yes sir have you ever seen it open yes sir doesn't he keep a lot of cash that he collects on the top of his safe I mean I'm not like looking in it but every single time we used to go out he used to grab some money from the from the safe and then take it with him repeatedly during both trials you said you worked at The adelon Institute you know never worked at the Adon Institute right no sir I did not now we're going to hear about Alexis yes sir you said you paid for that Lexus you never paid for that Lexus isn't that I paid Charlie cash for that Lexus really yes okay I think the state might disagree has the state disagreed with you on that point about me paying him cash yes because there was nothing that was coming out of my account but I paid him cash I had the cash on me during the trial first trial you were asked do you know why it is that Charlie chose you out of all of his ex-girlfriends to call I don't I don't know why he called me do you recall those questions yes sir that was a lie right I told you I lied in my first and second trial to save myself well let's get to the second trial just like you're lying here to save yourself right I'm not saving myself I'm telling the truth this time right because now all of a sudden after eight years you have developed a conscience I think that's what you told the jury no it's because my the father of my children was on death penalty at that time on my first trial so I couldn't I couldn't give up if I if it was just Charlie like I said from The Trial go ahead and arrest him nobody ever did he didn't get the death penalty after the first trial and he was convicted right yes sir and by the time of his second trial you had no reason to protect him anymore he was done no sir he was under appeal okay just like you're under appeal now yes sir so what you said to this jury about 20 minutes ago is you said to this jury I'm here today to tell the truth and I want to get your exact words because I want to do the right thing yes sir isn't it because you want to go home and that's the only way that you could ever go home is to help them that's the only way you can go home by not being dead I was not promised anything I'm doing this solely on myself clearly you don't even see my attorneys in this room let's talk about the second trial again you lied when you testified that you didn't know anything about or were involved in the murder of Professor marel right yes sir I told you I lied in my first and second trial to save myself ma'am we've heard it if you could just answer the questions did you lie yes sir you lied when you testified that you knew nothing about Wendy's divorce Wendy edon's divorce yes sir you lied when you said you didn't pick up money from Charlie's house on July 18th yes sir you lied when you said uh you knew nothing about stapled cash yes sir you lied when you said you didn't bring the money to Sig Fredo or or Lu LS Rivera the next day yes sir you lied again when you said you worked as a personal assistant for Charlie right yes sir you lied repeatedly when you tried to discuss what would H had happened what was being spoken at Chita correct yes sir all right well now let's talk about the lies that you told that the state didn't go over with you let's talk about your propers your cooperation yes sir so you were interviewed by the state twice in October and November 20 22 correct yes sir and by the way You' met with them a couple times since then right a couple times have you met with them since yeah after that point probably one time you met with Miss Klan yes yes sir did Miss kappan ask you about our defense during that meeting no sir she didn't ask you about whether for the first time whether you ever threatened uh Charlie idon now when you met them met with them in October and November of 2022 this was after you got your life sentence right yes sir and um you met with them first in Maran County Jail on October 11th right Maran County Jail no sir I've never been in that county you met with him in the jail I got the wrong jail obviously I've never met with him in any jails where did did you meet with them I was already in in Doc okay in L you met with them in prison yes sir apologies and the second time you met with them at the state attorney's office right here in Tallahassee yes sir and both times special agent Sanford was there yes sir investigator Jason nulan was there yes sir and tpd investigator Sher Bennett were there yes sir and they asked you questions yes sir and and each time you told them a version of events that was very different from what you said at your trials right yes sir in fact during those six hours of interviews you told him about five more versions right five different versions of it yeah no sir oh so you told them the same thing throughout the six hours that you met with him I believe so but I think the first time you can't even visit more than 2 hours so I don't know where you're getting six hours well maybe I'm wrong but let's look the first interview started at uh 9:26 a.m. and it ended at 11:44 a.m. so a little over two hours yes sir first interview your position right now what you're telling this jury is that the same thing you told them in the first interview you told them in the second interview I believe so yes sir you believe so or you know so I know so I believe so I believe so you absolutely know so no I don't not verbatim exactly what I said isn't it true that during the entire first interview you said you had nothing to do with the murder no sir I didn't say that all right well we're going to go through exact quotes and we'll see if your memory can be refreshed yes sir by the way during any of these interviews did you give them any documentation anything new any text messages documentation whatsapps any new as people call it receipts did you give them any new evidence no I'm in prison I don't have anything it it was just your words right yes sir so let's talk about what you said during the first profer which was a little over two hours yes sir you raised your hand and they put you under oath right yes sir and throughout the profer the agents particularly special agent Sanford kept on telling you that you have to tell the truth right yes sir he didn't believe you I mean whatever his reasons are was he frustrated with you during the interview yes sir in fact 1 hour and 8es minutes into the profer he said to you that you were minimizing your invol what is the objection here say your honor please appro your examination so let's go back your position what you've told this jury is you are completely consistent you told the same story during the entire proper right I can't like I told you I can't remember Verbatim what I've said from the first proper and the second profer let's just talk about the first profer yes sir your view is that from the beginning of the first profer to the end of the first profer you said the same thing throughout that's what you're telling this jury from the first prophet to the second prophet that I'm saying the same exact thing I don't remember Verbatim what I've said how about from the F beginning of the first proper to the end of the first proper what you told the jury is you were consistent from the beginning of the first proper to the end of the first proper do you recall saying that yes sir is that still your testimony no that I was consistent about it no cuz it was very hard for me to confess what I've done so let me ask the question again yes sir isn't it true that during the first proper for the first 1 hour and 8 minutes you continued to say that you didn't murder Professor marel no sir I didn't say that I I don't understand your answer so let me rephrase okay isn't it true that for the first half of the first profer you denied participation in the murder of Professor Marquel no sir I was telling um what happened and how my involvement in it so your position is that throughout the entire first profer you admitted that you participated in the murder of Professor Marquel yes sir judge may I proceed now you may would it surprise you that 1 hour and 8 minutes into the first proper special agent Sanford said that you were minimizing your involvement in Professor marquel's murder like he St it I was minimizing it it was hard for me to confess everything that I've suppressed for the past seven years 11 minutes later he said that what you were telling him made absolutely no sense do you recall him saying that no sir I did not well let me see if I can show you does this refresh your recollection the special agent Sanford said all of it doesn't make sense I'll I'll I'll withraw it please allow does this refresh your recollection of what agent Sanford said just the line that you highlighted you can read before and after to make sure I'm not doing lawyer tricks yes sir can I of course yes sir for yes agent Sanford is saying that why am I not remember conversations specific conversations and I told him I can't recall those specific conversations was he telling you that what you were saying didn't make sense to him I'm going to object to what agent sord said or his opinions Su stain please lay the found Foundation to impeach specifically at some point in the interview did he walk out on you uh yes he did on the second interview yeah okay we're gonna get to that that's like four and hours into your combined interviews right I believe so right so you come back and I think it's over an hour into the second interview so actually my math isn't great it's like three and a half hours into interviewing agent Sanford gets so set judge I'm going to object to agent Sanford's opinions or words he withdrawing the question please move on around three hours into these interviews agent Sanford decides to leave the room right yes sir he was frustrated with you right I believe so truthfully during your first interview you kept on saying all of these things were jumbled in your head right yes sir you said that about 11 times do you recall that I don't recall how many times I said it no sir you said that eventually 33 minutes into the interview you said you arranged through an envelope that Charlie gave you but that you never opened it for sigfredo to up Professor marel do you recall saying that repeat the question 33 minutes into the interview yes sir you admitted that you arranged through an envelope that Charlie gave you but that you never opened yes sir for sigfredo to rough up Professor marel do you recall that I've never said Professor marquel's name to rough up the deceased what do you mean by that can you explain explain you told them 33 minutes into the interview yes that Charlie had given you an envelope that you had never opened that miraculously got to sigfredo Garcia and the purpose of it was to rough up his ex-brother-in-law no because I didn't know what the contents of what was in the envelope so I wouldn't have said that you said that somehow that plan had transitioned to murder but according to what you told investigators you never knew when that happened do you recall saying that repeat the question again sir you said that somehow the rough up plan had transitioned to murder I never said rough up or any of those worse that's why it's confusing me what you're stating let's say it again yes sir you said that somehow the plan had transition to murder but according to what you told investigators you never knew when that transition happened well at that time I didn't know at the time that you were interviewing not in my interview but when it was happening as they're interviewing me and we're going through the scenario I'm going to show you 186 to 187 you know what I'll move on you told investigators during your first interview two hours into it two hours and one minute to be exact yes sir that you never spoke to Charlie about the change in plans I never spoke to Charlie about the change in plans meaning it going to become a murder I'm confused about the questions you're asking is this what I said yes what you said to these investigators just a year ago after you were convicted for Life didn't you tell investigators you didn't know it was going to be a murder I when we were talking about this like I said it was hard for me to confess my involvement in this right so you can you show me where I said this let's just let's just go with what you just said yes sir so two hours into your first interview when you said this you still were not admitting that you had a part in the murder yes it was very hard for me to do this especially that they came to me in prison where right why are all these investigators coming in okay so we are now where we started which is during this first proper just a year ago under oath again you refused to admit at first that you had anything to do with the murder that you were a part of the murder yes sir I think that's yes okay it's hard for me to admit it yes sir it is it's still hard for me to admit it right now okay during your first proper 9 minutes and 14 seconds into it do you recall being asked the following questions and as you saw in trial Garcia and Rivera made a trip in June what can you tell us about that answer see like like I don't even remember I mean obviously like you're telling me to like remember from what I heard at trial I learned a lot of things from trial that's why it's so hard and I want to say the right thing but like I don't remember them going up on a first trip do you recall saying that during this proper I don't recall it if you can show it to me may approach your honor you may does that refresh your recol ction that you said that yes sir you were asked during your profer on page 68 I don't know how long into it probably about a third into it question before that trip you knew that Lewis was going to go with him on that trip answer no I never knew he was going with him do you recall answering that way yes sir you also said during that proper 63 minutes in that you didn't know Lewis Rivera was going on the second trip to Tallahassee do you recall saying that yes sir during that interview on page 83 you told investigators this is just a year ago that on the night of July 18th you didn't know that Charlie's brother-in-law had been shot can you show me that sir sure yes because I'm emphasizing I don't know Dan marel you said that you didn't know that Dan marel had been shot right yes sir you told that to investigators a year ago that that's what on that night you had no idea that there was a shooting yes I was partly denying probably still my involvement in it this is something I've suppressed for a long time sir now what's also interesting is when you described July 18th you said Charlie was panicked yes sir you said he took his Annex and you took his Annex yes sir he gave me you said that he was upset I never said he was upset he was just frantic let's move on to the second proper yes sir the second profer was six weeks after the first profer do you recall that this is when I came back I came here correct yes sir and you met with investigators for three and a half hours this time if that's what it Sayes from 10:06 in the morning to 1:38 in the afternoon yes sir at the beginning of the interview you told investigators you didn't know why you were there right yes I didn't know what I got pulled out for and 15 minutes into the interview agent Sanford left the room right yes sir and he didn't come back no sir during the interview you were told do you recall being told that you weren't giving the state anything to make them want to do anything for you repeat that question sir do you recall that during the interview you were told that you weren't giving the state anything to make them want to do anything for you who stated that investigator Bennett okay yes sir she she was upset I mean we were just talking about the same thing over again when she said that you had a real issue right not that I recall what's the issue well if you didn't help the state and give them something that they could work with there was only one way you were ever getting out of prison and that's in a box why do you keep stating that sir you're in jail for the rest of your life right yes sir if the state doesn't help you the only way you're getting out of prison is when you die but they never said they were going to help me I wasn't promising that's not my question what's the only way that you're getting out out of prison if the state doesn't help you I'll die in prison during this second proper they asked you you mean to tell me that you had no clue that he came to Tallahassee answer he told me he was not he never told me he was going to Tallahassee do you recall saying that you didn't know that sigfredo Garcia was going to Tallahassee yes sir I never knew he went to Tallahassee you never knew Seco Garcia went to Tallahassee no sir okay during these propers you never told the state about monthly payments did you monthly payments that Charlie was making monthly payments to you what the checks from from the Adon Institute yes they were aware of that how about the cash he was giving you every month he wasn't giving me any cash every every month oh really yes he wasn't giving you $2,000 of cash every single month that you're HT on the wires trying to accept no sir he was just giving you a adalon Institute check yes sir what would the $2,000 be for before he gave you the Adon Institute checks you were getting $3,000 a month right no sir it wasn't until 1 hour and 13 minutes in the first profer that you first admitted that you didn't work for the idon Institute right yes sir I lied about it in the profer in the proper I don't know when I said it but I lied in my trials about getting those checks from the Adon Institute so I said those were checks that I needed to show so that I can get insurance for my children you recall them asking you about a meeting with Charlie in the car before dolita yes sir and you said that you couldn't recall what was discussed yes sir you recall that during the second proper you told the state that you didn't know the police were at your door during the wire and if you had known they were at the door you would have let them in I I don't think I mention it in that way but they didn't announce themselves when they were knocking on the door in fact aren't we going to see in the wires that you were hiding from the police I was not hiding I was at home weren't you hiding at home from what I was working from home that day weren't you making a bunch of phone calls to a lot of people saying the police are at my door I don't know what to do I can't answer the door I'm afraid weren't you hiding from them somebody was knocking at the door they didn't State who they were so I was calling Sig Fredo and nobody was picking up then one of his co-workers finally called back and said that there's FBI over there speaking to him and he's going to come by the house and he came by the house yes and you all discussed how you were going to stay here hidden and not answer the door right I didn't discuss anything they just said that there was like an FBI agent or an agent outside so I just never you decided not to answer the door and let them in right no why would I let them in let me make sure that we're being clear here yes sir did you know that the police were outside your door I didn't know who was outside my door I didn't know until his coworker had stated that there was an undercover or an agent outside and after he stated that did you know that there was police outside your door they were gone oh really yeah like they knocked okay and then they were gone you didn't stay hidden for over 45 minutes while these phone calls are happening I was at home I just didn't open the door okay during the entire first profer and 2third of the second profer you never said that Charlie did it or ordered it isn't that true not specifically no now today you come in here and you talk about how on Halloween Charlie asked you if there was someone who could hurt his ex- brother-in-law right I stated that on the profer that's fine yes sir it took you a while to stay in the profer but I admit you did took you about an hour and 40 minutes but today that's what your testimony was right yes sir do you know that you had only started dating Charlie adelon about two weeks before Halloween probably we just started talking I don't know specifically if it was two weeks do you know that at the time of Halloween 2013 Charlie idon had absolutely no idea anything about your ex I wouldn't know sir well let me let me see if I can refresh your memory do you recall text messages in no November 27th of 2013 where you said toer refresh okay we show the witness the document but let me ask some questions first go ahead isn't it true that Charlie adelon didn't know about your ex until November 27th 2013 I wouldn't know sir and even then he didn't know much about him I wouldn't know let me approach with uh what number is it defense exhibit 34 you have it text messages what am I looking at these text messages between you and Charlie needles does that refresh your recollection that he didn't know about your ex until the earliest November 27th 2013 yes sir Halloween's in October right yes sir now you talk about this letter and Charlie printing it up in all the times in Charlie's house you ever see him does he have a comp he doesn't own a computer right he had a little office in his in his house but I don't know if there was a computer or not I don't recall do you recall during these interviews that the investigators kept on pushing you whether Charlie gave you money during the trips repeat the question sir do you recall during these interviews that the investigators kept on pushing you asking you a lot of questions about whether Charlie adelen gave you any money before the two men took the trips yes and I answered them I know you did okay and it took you 22 minutes left in the second Pro offer where you finally said he gave us he gave him he gave you a few hundred before each trip yes sir repeatedly before then you couldn't even remember that right you were confused as you said it no I could remember it it was just very hard when I was speaking especially when I was speaking with um Sergeant um Sanford in the room because he was frustrated with me so once he left the room it was an easier conversation to have and I wasn't so pressured it was an easier conversation to have because in fact investigator Bennett started to play the part of Katie mbanow right I don't know what you mean by that well she started to testify for you no sir she did not it wasn't mostly her talking and you saying yes no sir isn't it true that it wasn't until an hour and 16 minutes and 31 seconds into the second proper where you were still continuing to say that you didn't become aware that this was going to be a murder until some time between the first and second trips to Tallahassee yes sir I told you it was very hard for me to admit my part in all of this I'm sorry so 4 hours into your propers you were still saying that you didn't know the first trip was for a murder that's fair to say right yes sir all right let's go on to a little different subject you started dating sigfredo Garcia just After High School yes sir by the time you broke up with him you had been uh with sik Fredo on and off for more than a decade yes sir by the way when you dated Charlie adelen he thought you were broken up with sigfredo Garcia right I was broken up with him well did you have sexual relations with s Fredo Garcia while dating Charlie Adon yes I did Charlie didn't know that right I mean that's not something I would tell him now you you considered him to be your husband yes sir you met Charlie Adon at work yes sir at a place called Sofi Dental Sophie Dental sorry Sophie Dental yes sir and that was in South Beach yes sir and you started dating in the middle of October of 2013 in the middle of October no we started dating before that when did you start dating I I don't recall the exact date but it was definitely before October if I told you I have do you recall that your first date was at a restaurant kind of in the building I believe so yes if I told you that the date of that was October 9th would that refresh your recollection Could That Be Right possibly yes sir now when you dated Charlie idon he treated you well yes sir I think you said you didn't know he had money you knew he had money I mean he wasn't very flashy with it I know he was well off he took you to nice dinner yes sir that was different than your past relationship right I've been in nice dinners with s fro did Charlie treat you nicer than sigfredo I wouldn't say that he treated me nicer at that at that time yes because I was going through a lot with Zig Fredo did Charlie ever lay hands on you no sir did see Fredo we've gotten into arguments yes one where he ripped RI off your necklace no he's never ripped off any necklace of mine no now at first Charlie was the pursuer is that fair to say he pursued you yes sir over time you became more serious I believe so and he made it clear to you over time namely in the spring of 2014 that he didn't want anything different than casual right right I mean I think we were both in agreement with that yes but you had qu you had questions about it you asked him right I believe so and he told you I like the way things are yes sir now sigfredo came to know that you were dating Charlie correct yes sir and during your second trial you testified that you told s Fredo about Charlie to make S Fredo mad probably you wanted to throw it in your his face that you were dating a successful dentist right that I was dating somebody period because I never really dated anybody after Sig Fredo Sig Fredo hated Charlie um I mean yes you told Charlie on one occasion if you see him run isn't that you told him not that I can recall now is it possible that you told him that no but he would be scared of sik Fredo yes see kredo considered you the love of his life right I believe so he made it clear to you that he wanted you back and didn't want you to be with Charlie right not that he made it clear but we were trying to work it out for our family now Charlie talks a lot right yes he does and he repeats himself over and over yes sir as a traveling uh periodist he's in the car a lot for work right yes sir and what does he do when he's in the car a lot talks on the phone talk on the phone yes sir and he'd call you a lot on the phone right he would at that time yes and at that time he would sometimes call you early in the morning right yes sir he'd call you sometimes in his breaks at work yes sir he'd call you late at night yes we were dating exactly he talked to you a ton yes sir he talks to his mom a lot on the phone too right I believe so well you witnessed it right yes you would be with him a lot when he would talk to his mom right on the phone yes sir and by the way you talk on the phone a lot with sigfredo Garcia right yes sir and that makes sense because he's the father of your two children right yes sir now in 2014 you became aware of Charlie's family issues right yes sir you heard him talking on the phone a lot to his mom right yeah he's always talking to his mom and also when you guys would go out as you know Charlie likes to talk right yes sir and so a topic of frequent conversation would be what you just talk to his mom about right no he never told me what he was talking to his mom about no so he never told you about the problems that his sister was having he wouldn't recount those conversations that he was having with his mom not when he's on the phone with his mom maybe if we're just you know laying down and talking he'd mention it once in a blue moon and you would ask him questions about it right not really he told you about this TV was cheaper than a Hitman joke many times right yes he's made that comment before and he repeated it to many people right yes sir he has he makes a lot of bad jokes right yes he does did you ever tell him Charlie why are you making that joke when we're actually hiring a hit man like don't you think that's a bad idea did you ever say that to him no because he's feels like he's Untouchable no because you really weren't hiring a Hitman he didn't know he was hiring a Hitman right that's why you didn't tell him that right he knew he was hiring a Hitman so when he made that joke in front of Professor Laos on March 11th at Yardbird that he made that joke yeah you know he made the joke at that dinner right I don't recall that no sir okay unless I was talking to Wendy and I didn't pay attention to what they were talking about well let's talk about that dinner a little bit on March 11th just six weeks before the first attempt that in your propers you didn't know about you all ate outside on the patio yes sir and during this dinner you and Wendy talked a lot about your exes didn't you not that we talked a lot about the exes I always speak of my children so I'm pretty sure I mentioned my kids and she mentioned her kids you didn't probe information from Wendy about her ex and while you were that's why you brought up your exes your ex no sir we did not talk about any exes you were aware were you aware that sigfredo and LS Rivera were sitting in a car scoping you out I didn't know that until my trial now State showed you a picture of you on the beach with Wendy adelen yes sir no discussion about a murder plot during that no the jet ski incident was Charlie scared yes sir were you upset of course did it cause a whole string of text messages and fights between you and sigfredo after that incident yes you were afraid that Charlie was going to break up with you right not really really your text messages don't show that you were upset that Charlie might break up with you that sreda was trying to run your life well I was upset but I didn't really care if if Harley was going to break up with me or not now I want to take you to the week of the murder and we'll start with July 14th you had dinner with Charlie the night of July 14th right not that I can recall oh you don't recall having dinner with him the night of July 14th no sir are you sure you didn't have dinner with him the night of July 14th I can't recall if You' show me something do you recall him working late and coming towards your house and meeting them at a place near the water on July 14th no sir well let's do it this way if you had dinner with him on July 14th Just 4 days before the the murder yes sir did you pick up money from him at that point in time no sir cuz I don't even remember that dinner assuming that the dinner happened I think the state's going to prove okay did you pick up any money from him at that dinner no sir I don't even recall that dinner fair enough do you recall having lunch with them on July 17th the day before the murder no sir let me try to refresh your memory on this yes do you recall on July 16th that Charlie worked late and went out to dinner with Erica Johnson I can't recall do you recall that you got in a fight with him that night because you thought he might be cheating on you no sir I don't recall it do you recall that there are text messages in which you were upset that he was out so late you don't recall that no sir do you have something to show me I don't need to do you recall that he told you on that call that he had worked late that he had gone out with Erica and that he would have a lunch with you the next day I don't recall any of those days sir do you recall that on the call on that night the evening of the 16th it's actually the very morning of the 17th it's after midnight that you were adamant that you wanted to have dinner with him on the 18th no sir I I don't call any of those days that's why you don't remember that it's fine show me the answer is you don't remember that right no I can't recall I get to ask the questions yes sir okay yes that's how this works yes sir now you went to lunch with him near his house do you recall that no sir one moment yes sir do you recall going to vas it's like a Cuban Mexican place right by Charlie's house I know of the restaurant but I don't remember the date when we went or you know we've eaten there before yes you don't recall going there the the day before the murder no sir nonetheless if you had been there you didn't collect any money that day right no sir do you recall that during that lunch you got in a big fight during what lunch the lunch on the 17th that you don't remember how can I tell you what happened if I don't remember the DAT and you're not showing me anything let's talk about uh after the murder one moment your honor isn't it true that Charlie adelon gave you $138,000 the night of the murder not $100,000 I never counted a money isn't it true that you were paid $3,000 every month after the murder no sir isn't it true that you told Charlie adelen that a terrible thing had happened your friend got an idea to do this you didn't know anything about it but you would help him repeat that question sir isn't it true that you told Charlie adelen that a friend of yours had done this that you had talked too much but that you would do everything you could to help Charlie adelen no sir isn't it true that you told him that if he ever went to the police these people would do to him and his family what they had done to Professor marel no sir if the state proves that for the next 20 months you received payments does the state have it wrong that I receive payments for the next 20 months after July 18th if the state proves I'm they're going to bring up a financial person who's going to show cash payments when the state proves that do they have it wrong no because I deposited throughout every month the payments that Charlie were making to you no what sigfredo had given to me is it true that you were the Mastermind behind Professor marquel's murder no sir that was Charlie I'm sure it was I didn't have any information on Mr marel do not volunteer information wait for a question respond accordingly to the question sorry your honor by the way on these wires that we're going to hear you're repeatedly lying to Charlie right repeatedly lying about what well you're telling him that you're calling the undercover number right yes I like you never called the undercover number no because I was telling sik Fredo to call that number ma'am let me ask the questions I know you have an agenda but let me ask the questions ja to strike argum Su of the jury are to disregard the last comment about any agendas please continue on those wires you tell Charlie adelon that you've called the undercover number don't you yes I said that and you never called the undercover number of course why would I call it you tell Charlie adelon that you tried to call the number but it's a non-working number do you recall saying that I believe so yes and that was a lie yes we were all lying to each other you call Judge he was responding to your question you don't have to like the answer I actually love it you never lied to sigfredo on those wires did you yes I did when did you lie to sigfredo on those wires well he was lying to me actually I asked a different question when did you lie to Sig Fredo on those W wires give me one example of lying to S frea you're right I'm I'm stating that sik Freo was lying to me miss Ma Banner I'm ask the question one more time no I didn't lie to sigo you never once lied to sigfredo Garcia on those wires not that I can recall no but you repeatedly lied to Charlie adelen on those W wires didn't you yes sir I did by the way you and Sig Fredo Garcia talked about how you needed to get a burner phone right no Sig Fredo was the one who got the burner phones okay you and SFO got burner phones right Sig Fredo bought the burner phones yes and you used a burner phone right yes he advised me to do so did you ever talk to Charlie idon about getting a burner phone I wasn't aware but I think I thought he had one you told Charlie idon that sigfredo Garcia left a voicemail for the undercover you recall telling him that I believe so yes that was a lie right I believe SFO did leave a voicemail to the undercover you think he did or you think they just heard about the voicemail that he actually never called the undercover if he said he did he probably did now shortly after the murder you and Charlie break up right yes sir like immediately after I don't know if it's immediately after but we stopped you know hanging it out as much now you keep on saying that the state hasn't promised you anything right yes sir but you're hoping that they're going to help you right of course I want to see my children again

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Published: Tue Oct 31 2023