Karrie's Choice | Full Episode

foreign 2018. we are currently at this Japan County Sheriff's Office conference room present is Carrie nyrider and also her attorney the time now is 10 58 a.m so what point does your dad first approach you with this plan um it was him and I we were home he was saying like that he was gonna kill himself what he brought up that he was that there was this other option kind of thing um where he would he wanted to kill my mom first bite oh Carrie don't push the Biba Jerry is doing a good job the story in my eyes is about Lloyd and Michelle and there's a door and there's my husband he was such an attentive father [Laughter] [Music] wow I thought he was a really amazing person he's very charismatic it shows a lot of care is too cold Michelle is truly a brilliant person she's got a wonderful sense of humor and this great wit what's your favorite toy outside Carrie um your baby swing my first impression was that they were sort of like a very perfect ideal family and they were really good at putting up that front but over time I saw that perception sort of started to change I was Michelle's lawyer her husband had filed for divorce Michelle was surprised that he filed for divorce she was a stay-at-home mom she had done everything she thought she could do to make him and the family happy Carrie was at RIT she was set to graduate in another year she says the dad came to her I can't afford to pay the bills I can't afford to pay your mother there's no way out I have to kill myself I'm sorry you guys have to go on without me or I got Plan B here [Music] 's my mom 's under some strange happening at a uh at our friend's house I thought I saw the mother standing in the stairway but she's being Motionless and I could see through the stairs and see that somebody was clearly at the bottom of the stairs and they looked like they needed some sort of help did you ever think this case would go the way it did no or out with a male subject on the top floor of the Spring Street Garage as he's on the ledge [Music] we just don't have cases like this where this level of pervasive evil trickles through an entire life and then ends in such a horrific event [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] Street Garage on a cold January Day in 2018 45 year old Lloyd Nye rider was surrounded by local and State Police he's on ledge on the fifth Story of a parking garage in Princeton New Jersey threatening to jump it wasn't supposed to end this way almost 30 years earlier in 1989 sixteen-year-old Lloyd had fallen for an older classmate Michelle Blondie they were going to the same High School and she was graduating and we told her she could invite friends and she invited Lloyd Michelle's Mother Genie remembers how quickly the relationship developed how did she feel about him oh she was falling in love two years later in 1991 Michelle and Lloyd tied the knot [Applause] the newlyweds headed off to college now no Michelle gave birth to a daughter and two years later a second child carry who's that it's my sister Carrie well hi Carrie the family settled in the upstate New York Community of Corning Steuben County district attorney Brooks Baker it's got a place where a lot of folks still don't lock their doors Corning is a quaint Family Place best known as the headquarters of Fortune 500 company Corning Glass Lloyd worked there as an engineer hi Mama Michelle gave birth to a third daughter and she homeschooled the kids I'm making a movie of you you are I'm afraid I'm not being very interesting right now later she would teach at a local college she was an English Professor when I met her so she was big on reading and writing and she would always really encourage her girls to be well spoken and educated Meena Raj met the Night Rider's middle daughter Carrie in ballet class and the two quickly bonded all of our dance families were very close her mother Cynthia would become one of Michelle's closest friends when's the very first time you met Michelle I met Lloyd first because he would bring the children to class dance classes he would do their hair and the mothers would rather smitten with him but as Cynthia's daughter Mina spent more time with Carrie she became concerned about Lloyd's overbearing parenting style there were times when I'd call my mom and tell her that I was worried about how strict of a disciplinarian he was for really really small things it was sort of like you never knew when he would snap and if he decided he was mad at one of them he would call them over yell fronten Center have them drop to their knees in front of everyone the first time I witnessed that Carrie was very close to me and I could see physically see her body shaking I've seen him slap them slap across my face yeah would he do things to Michelle he would put her down with a smile in his face and then around Thanksgiving 2007 Michelle suddenly cut ties with her parents her mother believed Lloyd was behind the rift what do you think happened I think that he threatened her either to harm the children or to harm her or to harm her she said Cynthia it was Lloyd that made me cut off contact with him he didn't want her to have a place to go if she wanted to leave but it turned out to be Lloyd who left the following year in 2008 he took a new job in New Jersey leaving Michelle and the kids behind in Corning once he was gone Michelle seemed like a different person better better she seemed much more relaxed and in 2013 after the couple had divorced Michelle moved into this new house with the girls and that's when the real trouble began Lloyd wanted sole custody of the children Lloyd was relentless in using the legal system to harass Michelle it just never ended Michelle's divorce attorney Susan bestgatomer there were 26 separate sets of filings post-divorce and how unusual is that is super unusual if you have two or three it's a lot to have 26 is astounding and what was he suing for what were these filings for he continually filed things making false claims against Michelle Lloyd was trying to get out of child support and Michelle accused Lloyd of trying to turn the kids against her the oldest daughter was already living with Lloyd and Kerry had gone off to college but Lloyd continued to fight for custody of their youngest child them 14 years old we agreed not to show recent pictures of her I think anybody who worked in the courthouse had heard about the Knight Rider case this husband and wife were going at it Non-Stop so this is one of those cases that everybody sort of heard about or talked about over the water cooler or at a bar out and the name came up it was one of those cases that just didn't go away but in late August 2017 Lloyd did something unusual Susan got this text from Michelle and she says I'm in shock Lloyd did not show up for the appearance for his petition for sole custody he did not withdraw he did not ask for a German he did not answer the Court's phone calls or emails nothing how unusual is that for him knowing how many of these filings he's made it was very unusual it was very unusual it was Unthinkable really because of Lloyd's no-show the case was dismissed Michelle seemed relieved and happy it was summer and she had a mutual friend of ours and the children sliding on Big Blocks of ice down a hill of grass [Music] two days later Monday August 28 2017. a family friend came to pick up the Night Rider's 14 year old for swim practice instantly he knew something was very wrong there's some strange happening at a uh at a friend's house Corning police Sergeant John mcdivitt was the first to respond to Michelle's house that afternoon all right so tell me what you've did so I walked up to the front door here and through these three panes of glass I could see inside and I could see a female laying at the bottom of the stairs open the door a dog came running out I came running in and as I got closer I could see there was a rope around her neck there was no pulse she was cold and stiff to the touch [Music] here he found 46 year old Michelle Knight Rider dead so your first thought when you saw her was what it appears to be a suicide by hanging [Music] but Corning police chief Jeff Spalding wasn't so sure because you couldn't figure out how she got a Mark here no I didn't I didn't like that that was unsettling it appeared as though somebody had gone behind and thrown a rope over the neck and pulled back and down and caused that what's more Michelle's youngest child the 14 year old at the heart of the custody battle and who was supposed to be picked up for swim practice was nowhere to be found obviously the number of possible outcomes there that are bad is is tremendous thank you [Music] I said if we checked basements and we checked addicts that we checked garages in the hours after police arrived at Michelle Knight Rider's home a frantic search was on Lieutenant Jeff heverly couldn't find her 14 year old daughter anywhere she should have been around I knew that she resided with Mom later that day he got a phone call this is Lieutenant Everly can I help you hi um my name is Carrie it was 19 year old Carrie Nye Rider Michelle's middle child my friends call me today you told me about my mom [Music] um is that she um I'm sorry that's okay told the officer that her younger sister was safe and still with you now yeah he's in my apartment she was nearly 100 miles away with Carrie in Rochester New York Carrie then told heavily how it happened she had driven back to Corning late Saturday night to spend one last night in her bedroom at home started freaking out she would freak out a lot Carrie said her mother raged at her accusing her of taking her father's side in their family court battles and she woke up and was afraid and she went to her room and she was yelling Carrie says she decided to leave taking her younger sister with her she claimed that she was concerned for her younger sister so she had taken her outside put her in the car and then had driven her to Rochester while police were relieved that Michelle's youngest was safe Carrie's Story didn't really make sense why would Michelle be so upset on the same day she had been celebrating her Court victory those who knew Michelle Bess couldn't believe she'd take her own life I never believed it she was determined to have a successful life and she did she had a great job and it was not the place in her life where she would have committed suicide after all of the really difficult years she had been through while it appeared Michelle had hanged herself there was that odd ligature mark on her chin as police awaited the results of the autopsy I thought we would get some some definite results they would say oh yeah 100 this is a homicide or yeah 100 this is a suicide but the medical examiner's conclusion surprised them they tell us undecided undetermined causation Michelle's mother didn't need an autopsy to tell her what happened I did not believe she killed herself she immediately thought murder and one name came to mind I'm thinking it's more than likely Lloyd killed her but I couldn't figure out how because he had an alibi foreign ER was in fact more than 2500 miles away in California for a job interview when police discovered Michelle's body how long has he been in California um since yesterday Kerry told investigators all about it was he incorning at all yesterday no he helped move me in to my apartment on Saturday okay but he wasn't in Corning even if Lloyd wasn't in Corning he had been close about 100 miles away so all of a sudden he's only an hour and change away up in Rochester Kerry says that after her father helped her move into a Rochester apartment on Saturday he spent the night in a hotel and flew out to California the next day he was still there when the family notified him of Michelle's death he flew back east and within 36 hours showed up at the Steuben County Family Court he came to turn off his child support and maintenance payments that's the first place he went when he had heard his ex-wife and committed suicide that's correct police caught up with him outside the courthouse investigator hey how are you good just cautious about how I approach a car I don't want to startle anybody and they sit down and investigate his car and they do a videotaped interview and have a long conversation and Michelle knows she's coming or she did yes okay Lloyd calmly Echoes Carrie's Story in the hours before Michelle's death he was in Rochester helping Carrie move into her College apartment I go check in at the Microtel Lloyd says he checked into that hotel Saturday hotel security cameras back him up Carrie came over for a while dark parking lot video then shows both he and Carrie heading to her car I walked her out to the car now when you go back to the hotel right yeah I invited her to breakfast the next morning and at 7 A.M the next morning cameras show Kerry arriving for breakfast now with her 14 year old sister in tow and you also then checked his phone where was his phone during that time checked his phone it kind of corroborated what uh what Carrie had told us that Dad stayed at the hotel but the hotel video tells a different story when Lloyd walked carried to her car that night he could be seeing getting in the car with her and then driving off and the video doesn't show him coming back that night so while Lloyd's phone was in the hotel room all night where was Lloyd investigators had to wonder especially when they looked at the hotel video from the next morning we don't see Lloyd All Night Long here it is 6 30 in the morning and here he comes onto the camera he's walking across the parking lot and he's walking to his his vehicle he still appears to be wearing the same clothes that he had on the night before Lloyd's story was that he stayed at the hotel room all night the video evidence is saying no he didn't police were now certain Lloyd was lying to them they dug deeper looking for a motive he was not in a good Financial Place Lloyd had over a hundred thousand dollars in credit card debt and he was paying his ex-wife almost six thousand dollars a month Baker says that after Rochelle's death Lloyd tried to collect on Michelle's life insurance for a payout of 260 thousand dollars they suspected Lloyd killed Michelle and Carrie might be covering for him so we decided to go up on a wiretap on on Lloyd's phone and Carrie's phone freaking out me too almost two and a half months after Michelle's death police began listening in I don't know [Music] hi sweetie how's your drive so far oh it's fine very good in Fall 2017 a little over two months after Michelle Knight Rider's death Corning police began listening in on Lloyd and Carrie Knight Rider's phone calls well we didn't go up on the wire until mid-november this had happened at the end of August beginning of September so it'd been you know two months and there wasn't a lot that was being said so in order to uh you know kind of refresh things we did what was called tickle The Wire tickle the wire it's a ruse familiar to Cops working drug cases an investigator calls Carrie saying they have more questions Corning police chief Jeff Spaulding played the recording for us is this Gary director [Music] um but the reason I was calling uh well I didn't know if you were going to be around if uh you had time to meet up with me or what time you might have to stop in to see me I should be able to meet with you Monday if you're available okay after hanging up with police Carrie quickly called her father just like we hope the next phone calls to Lloyd saying what do I do what exactly did you tell him I don't know and Lloyd says oh it's probably just for it's just formed don't worry about it but then he says and this is where we sort of puts our doubts aside he says but I don't think I want you talking to him tell him I'm sorry I got I got a counseling appointment back in New Jersey tonight I'm telling this has been really hard on me [Music] God it'd be nice but then it was just over Why Live exactly why not just go sit down with the investigator spend 20 minutes and and and tell the same story you already have so it can't be bad police are clearly suspicious but with that undetermined official autopsy holding the case back the D.A asked a private forensic pathologist to take a new look and confirm finally whether Michelle was murdered we take all the pictures from the autopsy we take all the findings the documentation of evidence and we go and sit down with him there was no body for him to examine because Lloyd had Michelle's remains cremated but the Pathologists saw that rope mark on Michelle's chin and particular hemorrhaging in her eyes and then he leaps through a few more things kind of the way doctors do in silence and and says this is a homicide Michelle Knight Rider was strangled to death police headed out to confront Lloyd and Carrie I mean at that point you're thinking Lloyd's the ringleader no no question do you think that if in fact Carrie Knight Rider was involved she was going to be the weak link I thought that she she would be the weak link you put her in her interview room without dad without her cell phone um and you do a hard interview with her I thought she would be the first to give on January 24 2018 five months after Michelle's death two investigators showed up at Lloyd's office in New Jersey at the same time a pair of State Police Troopers find Carrie at her College internship in Syracuse New York was this your Hail Mary pass was this it yeah that's uh that's what we considered game day investigators break the news to Lloyd and and they say Lloyd look we got to tell you something the medical examiners ruled this homicide were you down there that night no in Rochester and so that night you were in your hotel room all night and they suggested that geez Lloyd maybe you want to take a lie detector test and to my surprise he's he said sure So they gave him directions to a police station down in New Jersey where we had a polygraph operator that was already on call Lloyd appeared confident in his innocence 200 miles away in Syracuse Carrie was anything but carrot cracks carry cracks there it was in barely a whisper on a police audio recording Carrie admits her father went to her mother's house with her that night and she helped him get in undetected you walk in the front door of the house you you tell me this one where was Mom and she was at the top of the stairs so she's uh my dad come in and then they started arguing so he went upstairs and they were arguing in her room Carrie said her mother stopped yelling and it suddenly got very quiet at first she tells police she didn't know why but then she admits you saw him yeah that's sweet you know [Music] when you saw her with your life it was one of those holy cow moments uh it was like wow investigators then took Carrie to a police station they wanted the whole story on video she says her father came to her a week before the murder she says the dad came to her and says I can't afford to pay your mother there's no way out Lloyd gave Carrie an unfathomable ultimatum and so basically he was gonna kill himself um there is a play he wouldn't kill himself which was killing my mom she says Lloyd laid out his plan they would make it look like a suicide okay put the Rope around Carrie says she stayed downstairs watching over her younger sister asleep in the living room and my dad went upstairs into my mom's room and she was like what are you doing completely why are you here oh so she was yelling she was like why why yeah the commotion woke up Carrie's sister yeah she woke up to take her out when Lloyd was finished he sneaked out the back of the house around the side and then climbed into the open rear hatch of Carrie's car according to Carrie her 14 year old sister never knew her father was there Rochester police were now ready to arrest Loy the only problem he never showed up for that polygraph test he had disappeared they lost him and they didn't they did lose them but Lloyd still had his phone and we still were up on the wire on Lloyd's phone we knew that his phone was in downtown Princeton somewhere they managed to trace it to a municipal parking structure and there on the roof was Lloyd Nye Rider when the officers moved in to confront Lloyd and to to pick him up he bolted and hopped up on the rail and threatened to jump off the five-story parking garage to commit suicide what do you make of Carrie's Story watch more of the confession on Facebook at 48 hours for two hours Lloyd Nye Rider kept police at Bay when he turned his back they made their move this New Jersey state trooper who who played football somewhere uh he makes a 10-yard Sprint and just flattens him tackles him today Lloyd was arrested and charged with first-degree murder of his ex-wife Michelle Nye Rider Carrie their daughter Carrie who the police believed had been manipulated by Lloyd faced second-degree murder charges for helping her father get into the house that night what was your reaction when you heard that I'm not Carrie 2018 did tourney Brooks Baker began preparations to face off in a courtroom this became essentially our nerve center our war room for the for the trial this is not typical for the cases you usually try no even a murder case usually we can survive in a box or two but to go four or five boxes demonstrate how much material there was here there's a reason why you have that up there don't you yeah this is Michelle's the final day of Michelle's life it is it is this is this is a Saturday she was murdered this is a good day for them they went icing they got you can't really see it but they're they're on great big ice blocks this reminds us why we're doing it because this lady is not here to have another day like this Baker knows his odds of convicting Lloyd will greatly increase if he could convince Carrie to testify against your father she's looking at 15 years to life if she cooperates with the understanding that if she does not cooperate and is not truthful at trial she'll face 25 years to life [Music] it takes Carrie sitting in a jail cell a couple of weeks to decide she agrees to testify against her father and plead guilty but then during an interview with investigators she surprises everyone with a new detail yeah open the door my mom was screaming on the floor and he said you need my help get lifting her admitting for the first time she had an even bigger role helping her father cover up the murder we dragged her around the corner and he tied the Rope to the to the one prong of the banister and lifted her up and put her through her over the side sorry that's okay okay she laid her hands on her mother and felt her her mother's cold dead body that's that's pretty that's pretty hardcore this is the woman that gave you life and you maybe didn't directly take her life but you helped the individual that did it was so hard to understand how could a child do this to her mother could Lloyd really have manipulated Carrie into this and and I had that same problem and even as we were preparing for trial I said Carrie and you're going to be asked that question there was a moment when you your father says to you it's either I have to kill mom or or I kill myself and you have to help me and those are the only two choices and why she's a smart girl she could have said no well and and you know all those folks in Jonestown could have said we're not going to drink the Kool-Aid you think she was brainwashed I really think she was brainwashed we found out that there is a a definition for what he was doing and are you talking about parental alienation yes I am yeah parental alienation is when one parent consistently badmouths the other in front of their children and it's something Michelle worried about in fact in these court documents filed in the Years preceding her death Michelle actually accused Lloyd of turning Carrie against her the district attorney thinks that's exactly what happened I can understand how you could cause your children to dislike the other parent but to kill that other parent that seems like a step too far I don't think it's causing dislike that's not what this presentation it causes them to absolutely devalue them as people case in point two years before her death Michelle was backing out of her driveway while Carrie bickard with her and tried to block her car from leaving friends say Lloyd then convinced Carrie that Michelle tried to run her over Carrie even called police on her mother and while the charges didn't stick the idea seemed to if you can brainwash your daughter into thinking that her inching out of the driveway was your mother trying to run you over then well she tried to kill you so it's okay for you to help try to kill her and when Lloyd later gave Carrie that ultimatum so basically he was going to kill himself um or there is a swims up which was killing my mom the D.A says Carrie felt she had no choice but to choose her father over her mother but would the jury believe it as Lloyd's trial approach the D.A was determined to paint a picture of Carrie as Lloyd's Pawn but Lloyd had his own plans is his defense going to be that she did it it has to be foreign out more about the signs of Parental brainwashing at 48hours.com [Music] how much were you looking forward to trying Lloyd Knight Rider for murder you know you never look forward to a trial because it means 90 hours of work every week this one I wanted to try I wanted I wanted everybody to see who Lloyd was and for Michelle say to see what he had done to her the evidence against Lloyd Nye rider was circumstantial all the district attorney had was Carrie's word and the jury might not believe her story what he needed was physical evidence linking Lloyd to the murder of his ex-wife Michelle we took Michelle's clothes we had them re-examined by the state police looking for touch DNA when we got done what we found was Lloyd's DNA had had contact with Michelle's clothing the pajamas she was wearing the night she was murdered prosecutors gave Lloyd the damning news and a final opportunity to come clean we made him an offer I sort of expected he would never ever accept he had to plead guilty as charged to first-degree murder he would face a sentence of 25 years to life with the possibility judge consentence him to life without parole and just two trial so what did Lloyd decide to do he decided to plead guilty as part of his plea deal Lloyd had to recount his role in the murder but when it came time to take personal responsibility I thought we were going to go bad for minute one because he starts off blaming Michelle there were no cameras in the courtroom but Lloyd tells the judge he killed Michelle because he believed she might hurt their children that would be Lloyd blame everybody else blame the victim but then he sort of said but that doesn't matter I have no excuse murder is wrong and and he went through and allocuted line by line of what he did in the end Lloyd fulfilled his end of the plea deal admitting he planned and carried out the homicide and that he manipulated Kerry into helping him so what should happen to him I want him to have life in prison to wanted to ever get out and ever hurt my grandchildren again he has an evil mind Michelle's Mother Genie spent days writing a statement she hopes will persuade the judge to give Lloyd a stiff sentence she read it to us Lord Knight Rider abused and tortured my daughter for 25 years he coerced his own daughter into helping him kill her mother Carrie is now in jail facing the possibility of years in prison Lloyd and I Rider should never be given the opportunity to harm anyone again please your honor give him life without Pearl and that's exactly what the judge would do and what do you think about what happened today the outcome oh I'm I'm so Overjoyed I'm so happy it's life without Pearl and Michelle got Justice okay but there was still the matter of Carrie and what prize should she pay for her mother's death that's a harder one isn't it that's a hard one I don't believe she should go to prison I think that she needs psychiatric help I think she needs a lot of therapy district attorney Brooks Baker would agree Carrie needed therapy but he didn't think that would be enough she has to pay a price she has a service action I think for her own sanity she needs to serve some Penance remember Carrie initially pled guilty to second-degree murder a charge that could put her in prison for 15 years but the D.A supported a decision allowing her to now plead guilty to a lesser charge second degree manslaughter Genie again wrote To The Judge I always ask myself what would Michelle want me to do I do not believe my daughter Michelle would want a long prison sentence for her daughter she would want her to eventually lead a happy life and the judge would be lenient very lenient [Music] Carrie Knight Rider was sentenced one to three years in a state prison it was a huge relief to Jeannie who planned to tell her and her two sisters all about Michelle and just how much she loved them [Music] she knew that she had lost them the tool list and she wanted them to be happy and she hoped that someday they would realize what was done and come back to her and see how hard she fought for them to have a good life she wanted to live a beautiful life to have a beautiful life and for them to be happy [Music] Carrie Knight Rider was released from prison on parole on January 16 2020. this is horrible this poor woman Ezra is able to remember she was attacked on a muddied road everything changed when law enforcement found the body 48 Hours next series [Music]

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Published: Tue Oct 18 2022