Jordan Peterson: Pickup artists, psychopathic goals & resentful men

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I talked about this in one of my other classes I think I finally got it right in some ways this is something we're thinking about because I think this is this is a critical choice that people make so here's two ways to use language like let's say I'm going to pick up a girl in a bar all right so I have a goal in mind and the goal is sort of the girl is irrelevant to the goal insofar as she could be another girl so it's it's it's it's a psychopathic goal in some ways because really really because the individual doesn't matter it is I'm serious about that it's a so what I'm gonna do say if I'm a pickup artist I follow these pickup artists on line a because I'm so curious about their use of psychology and all they ever do is come up with it's like a whole horde of men talking about how to deceive and manipulate women it's it's extraordinarily interesting and extremely psychopathic and and also it's very very very very very unsophisticated and unskilled because what the guys are they're lumps basically and what they're trying to do is to acquire the veneer of sophistication and that's psychopathic so anyways that's my my little spiel on pickup artists but they're very interesting so what they're doing is teaching their followers instrumental language so if you want to sleep with a girl here's how to do it here's how to manipulate her you don't they have a bunch of tricks like wear an expensive watch and dress up and also don't just dress up so dress up rich roughly speaking but also add something peculiar to your wardrobe like something that really stands out as somewhat odd they call that peacocking so that the girl can see that not only are you rich and successful but you've got that little bit of individuality that sets you apart from all the other rich and successful guys you know and so that's like an Osiris Horus combination basically but it's all bullshit because the guys aren't like that so it's so-so and then they have all these little routines they use that they're verbal routines and they have these guys they go to the bar with to help them with their little routines and it's like it's completely what are they doing they're using language instrumentally they have a goal in mind which is their goal and they know that what the goal is and they know that the goal is right insofar as they're pursuing the goal and then they're willing to say any thing to obtain that goal now you think well I think that's the instrumental use of language what do you do if you're not using instrumental language that's interesting what you do is you try to communicate about the situation and your response to the situation whatever it is as clearly and accurately and articulately as you possibly can all the time and see what happens that's a whole different thing because the proposition there is to the degree that you're transforming your experience into reality into articulated reality the things that will follow from that will be the best things that can possibly be even if you don't know what they are so there's an openness and in that approach it's like I'm gonna conduct my relationship with person X in the most truthful possible manner and I'm gonna see what happens and then I'm also going to assume that whatever happens is the best thing that could have happened it's like how the hell do you know if it's the best thing that could have happened maybe the person's all offended and irritated I've seen this with my clients a lot so especially with the agreeable ones say because they're all bent out of shape with resentment because they're not saying something you know and so and you know and because they're not saying something they're getting shepherded into some situation they don't want to be in like maybe they're they have to go live with someone they don't want to live with and they don't want to you know express themselves because that'll hurt someone's feelings it's like so we talk about that in a bunch and we figure out how you could say what you actually think and usually what happens is they say it they get in a whole bunch of trouble and then two days later the problem goes away so they're afraid to say what they they're actually using silence instrumentally basically because their idea is I don't want to fight with you well so how do I not fight with you I don't say anything that will upset you it's like well upset you win exactly you know like if you if you're an intimate partner with someone and you see them doing something stupid repeatedly that is going to lead them into a pit in like a month or two months or a year five years you don't get to say well I'm not gonna fight with you just because that'll be trouble because sooner or later they're gonna fall in a pit and that's gonna be trouble too so you're not doing them any damn favors you're just for stalling the catastrophe into the future it's not helpful where instead you could say well here's how it looks to me and this is you know how it looks it looks to me like this is where this is going and you probably don't want to go there and even if you do I'm not going to aid and abet it and then they're going to get all upset and they're gonna tell you that you're interfering and that you're mean and that you're cruel and that you can only see the bad and things and if you withstand all that and they're gonna get really angry and stomp out and if you can withstand that then they're gonna cry they'll go home and think about it in a week later they'll come back and say I never want to see you again probably not or they'll say geez II know I thought about that and what you said made sense and I'm gonna do I'm gonna try to do something about it so but you have to decide to begin with whether or not you whether or not you're willing to risk the consequences of the truth and that doesn't mean you get to use the truth as a weapon I mean that's not truthful you can use the truth as a weapon you know if you see someone who's perhaps not as attractive as they could be you could say you're you're rather ugly you know which in some senses of the truth it's a it's a statement about but it's not the truth at all because for it to be the truth it has to be embedded what it really has to be is embedded in the Osiris Horus pyramid you know what the utterance has to serve the entire function of that integrated unit it has to serve tradition it has to serve enlightenment it has to serve vision and if it isn't doing any of those things it's not the truth even if it's the truth in this local tiny slice you know I I just told you the truth it's like no you didn't you took a little fragment of what could be interpreted to be the truth and you turned it into a bat and then you hit me with the bat and then you defended yourself by a false argument that's claiming that when you use the truth in a local manner like that you're actually moral that's right that's not true it's incredibly deceptive because you know the best way to deceive someone is to sort of tell them the truth and then you not only you can really get the person a name because not only are you innocent because you told the truth they're even more guilty because they're too weak to handle the truth so man you can really wall up someone with that so anyways that's the container of what matters and it first manifests itself in this potentially horrific form and so then the question is well are you willing to confront that and in what way are you willing to confront it and then out of that arises at the very top that's illumination you know it's maybe the night first I think that's a crescent moon although I might be wrong about that I think it's a crescent moon what arises out of that is the contents of the unconsciousness and then finally illumination you know so it's like Horus are rising from the depths it's a story of transformation

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Length: 7min 40sec (460 seconds)

Published: Sat Feb 10 2018

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