Jordan Peterson on if he’s taken up Michael Eric Dyson’s Munk Debate offer

you had to pay the people on the left as well obviously they did the month debate a company I want to go where Michael Eric toys and Michelle Goldberg and I think some people were surprised that Stephen Fry was standing on your side of the stage and I've always been impressed by Stephen Fry immunity can incredibly articulate that's very impressive just he's just generally very impressive certain Anna's and it was a couple of point shred at the base where it's the most frustrated of you know the last few minutes in particular watched a lot of your stuff I've listened to a lot of your stuff and maybe the most frustrated I've seen you because you felt were a couple of those comments put out there and somebody I think she said I think Michelle Goldberg said something about you and you said that's actually not true and she said Google ish mhm so is that just you know trials and tribulations of a public to face you don't have to wait to give your side of it or we genuinely frustrated well I was frustrated for two reasons I think one is I don't think the monk debate team the people who produce the debate specified the question with sufficient care so and it's very hard necessary if you're going to have a debate of that sort to specify the question very carefully but I also think that the the debate opened with Michelle with basically ad hominem attacks rather than discussion of the issue at hand and so I was frustrated about that although not not to any great degree I thought Dyson Dyson's insistence on let's say racializing the disability no appointment yeah yeah angry mean angry you know something like yeah he had a quite a poetic way of putting it but the white man was part of it and I thought well like what the hell man first of all I think he had Canada confused with the United States because that sort of thing just doesn't work in Canada we don't have the same history of racial tension that characterizes the United States we have our own brand of racial tension it emerges mostly between with regards to the First Nations people and and and the European settlers let's say so and that can be it has its own brand of unpleasantness but that's that's that's not the same problem that plays itself out in the main in the united states i was frustrated because i supposed to the degree that i was frustrated was more appalled really that that sort of discussion would emerge in that sort of debate it's not helpful but that's part of the identity politics issue everything's about your damn group where you said you don't know anything about me that was dumb he doesn't know anything about me yeah well i know he invited me in his supercilious manner to go attend you know it was a black church which was a perfectly fine idea i suppose but he has no idea what sort of involvement i've had with with with the trials and tribulations of minority people in my life I've had a hell of a lot more experience with that sort of thing than he thinks so because we haven't gotten taken him up on his offer he never offered and just said he was going to offer now he did contact me about the possibility of a another discussion in podcast form which I he's on the back burner at the moment I don't know if I'm going to take him up on that or not I'm probably not particularly inclined to but most of that was moral posturing as far as I was concerned and he and he you know he made a variety of assumptions about me for the reasons he stated and I just find that sort of discussion entirely counterproductive I don't like the identity politics players you don't like it on ears I don't like it but period I don't care if it's right with you like you have to keep pointing to SOPA because it seems to be the left that are really coming after you more well there's no well part of that is because I'm in academia there's no conservatives in academia it's not like there's right-wing identity politics professors there is zero of them so it's the the left it's the radical left that dominates the humanities and the social sciences a fifth of them claim to be Marxists a fifth of human is a fifth of social science it's a fifth of social science professors 20 percent outright claim Marxist allegiance it's like what the hell there's no excuse for that not after what happened not after what happened in the latter half of the 20th century and a fair bit in the first half - there's simply no excuse for that and one of the technical problems in our society is that we haven't figured out how to identify the unacceptable left and that doesn't mean that the left is unacceptable that's not this is elements on both sides is that what you're saying I'm saying that the left can go too far obviously they went too far in the Soviet Union they went too far in miies China they went too far in Cambodia it's like they've gone too far many times with murderous consequences but we don't know exactly when now we've kind of figured it out on the right we more or less we figured out that if you start making ethnic or racial claims of superiority that you've gone too far you're no longer in the arena of reasonable political dialogue now then the right can go too far that's how they do it they do it with ethnic and racial superiority primarily when does the Left go too far well we're not sure well that's not good enough because clearly they can go too far my sense is I that the Left goes too far when it calls for equality of outcome equity which is the new buzzword for equality of outcome it's unacceptable in my estimation it's not part of productive political dialogue it's it implementing equality of outcome policies produces nothing but catastrophe now but you know that doesn't have the same emotional impact when you say well he's a far-right neo-nazi who's making claims of ethnic superiority it's like you get a shudder from that you know of disgust that that's a normative response but you don't get the same shudder when you hear that someone is pushing for equality of outcome because it doesn't have the same it doesn't have the same punch yeah even though I think it's an equally pernicious and dangerous doctrine so it's a technical problem it's not only a problem on the left like the moderate leftists absolutely have to separate themselves from the radical leftists but they don't know how and you might say well that's the problem that's a problem for the moderate left us to figure out but it's not it's a problem for all of us to figure out we haven't done a very good job of it and that that's not good so and I don't exactly know how to solve it except to say that it needs to be solved there's no clear distinction well there is a clear distinction but there's no clear barter to go okay you've gone too far now right well and also the like one of the things that characterizes people who are temperamental II inclined to be on the left is that they don't draw borders they're high in openness which is a dimension of creativity and they're low in conscientiousness especially orderliness and the combination of being low and orderliness and high and openness means you don't like borders you don't because you learned information to flow freely and so if you don't like borders this is partly why trump knew that making borders with borders the issue was an intelligent political move he intuited that borders are actually the primary what would you call domain of dispute across the political axis but its borders at every level border between concepts borders between people borders between cities and states and and countries it's the prime political issue the leftists are skeptical of borders because they interview interfere with the flow of information you think is a psychological reason why oh definitely there's no doubt about it people do vote their temperaments but one of the problems with that is because the leftists can't draw borders they can't draw borders or around those who are too radical and it's less troublesome on the right because right wingers are willing to draw borders now I think it's also easier technically because there's something you can point to oh there's a claim of ethnic or racial superiority box shelved it's very hard to do on the left but it's necessary so [Music] [Applause] [Music]

Channel: The Delve

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Keywords: entertainment.ie, Mike Sheridan, Jodan Peterson, Jordan B Peterson, The Delve, Politics, Identity politics, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro, The Rubin Report, Hillary Clinton, Pod Save America, psychology, protesting, Chris rock, republican, democrat, liberal, classic liberal, Munk Debate, monk debate, political correctness, stephen fry, michelle goldberg, Michael Eric Dyson

Id: AO-FXpyBbNs

Length: 8min 30sec (510 seconds)

Published: Sat Jul 14 2018