Jordan Peterson on depression

in the book and you talk and really eloquently about where you grew up and listening to an interview which you recently you talk even more eloquently about depression and a better battle with depression and just from comments on Amoy social media and people interacting with me when I said I was going to interview you they were kind of blown away by your comments under pression and your comments on dealing with depression I have some questions are gonna put to you from listeners at the end boss you know I think a lot of people were surprised by us a lot of people were surprised to know we've spoken about it before but I hadn't heard personally you speak about it in that kinda way than you did and under Joe Rogan podcast and you were kind of getting emotional as well as that's something that just came out in the moment in the midst of the conversation well my my family going back several generations has been cursed with a particularly vicious form of depression and so it's been quite a catastrophe it really affected my grandfather for decades he was immobilized I would say after the death of his father it was really awful and it hit my father when he was in his late 40s there was there was signs of it before that especially in the winter and my dad's a very competent person and so the fact that that took him down to a large degree was a shock to everyone that knew him including him and then it affected me and it affected my daughter and a number of cousins and like it's really pervasive and so that's been it's nasty it's a nasty even dish you described as trying imagining that your whole family had just been killed the day before and our feeling yeah kind of on a consistent basis well I can tell well I can tell you like an example of it well my daughter has a serious autoimmune condition and it it's very painful she has had 40 affected arthritic joints which is plenty one is plenty three is a lot forty is way more than necessary and she her ankle and her hip deteriorated to the point where they were both replaced when she was 16 and 17 so she basically walked around for two on two broken legs and was on very high doses of painkillers and anyways it was quite the catastrophe and she also has this predisposition to depression and so we talked a lot about both of those things and I asked her one day if she'd rather have the Arthritis or the depression and she said she'd rather have the Arthritis so that's it that's not a bad index and then I talked to her too about trying to describe what it was like to feel that way and she said well it's like your dog just died all the time and she really liked her dog you know it was a real source of comfort to her when she was growing up and then about two years later two years ago our dog died and I asked her well is it like that and she said no it's lot worse than that and so it's not good so what causes it exactly I'm not I'm not clear about it looks like it's part of the audio immune condition that she has there's autoimmune disorders on mice family on both sides and and also on my wife's family so I think my daughter got both got it from both sides so but she she's much much better she's healthy now amazingly enough because I've actually gotten some questions about us and about your choice on who you've changed your toy to just specifically eat meat yes has benefited you I'm benefiting daughter I'm certainly been it's so far at least well you were it was your daughter that suggested this to you well yes she did she figured it out I would say and then she suggested that I try it and I thought well it had such amazing impact on her it's absolutely unbelievable I still don't believe it that it worked I still can't believe it but she's symptom free she she her depression is gone her fatigue is gone all her joint symptoms are gone she looks great she's doing fine that's amazing as a clinical psychologist and some he was trained in a you know practice center for 90 years is that something you can comprehend no no not really I mean look there has been there is evidence that depression is a lot of different things it's it's one term that covers all sorts of different disorders with all sorts of pathways and there is evidence that one of the functions of antidepressants is anti-inflammatory and that depression is an inflammatory condition and that it's associated with autoimmune dysfunction and so who knows how prevalent that is I mean it's more prevalent than people thought 20 years ago this science independent of my opinion and my daughter's opinion independent of that there's evidence for autoimmune involvement in in in the pathophysiology of depression the degree to which that's a contributor to to what degree that contributes to depression in the general population is unknown but is there a feeling that some of your followers and I don't say followers like you're the Messiah no you don't like that either but some of your fans I suppose yeah or people who bought your book and I'm will going to your shows and download your podcasts you know the lament of depression with some of these guys because obviously and girls because obviously you've said you know you know you know it's individual it's individualism that's that's kind of a portion to be responsible for your own actions and this is what has reverberate yeah which which are found base yeah yeah you mean about the potential contradiction between those yes yeah oh well yeah I mean look it's it's clearly the case that I think your best bet in life is to shoulder your suffering and to take responsibility and to move forward but that doesn't mean that you're not vulnerable on all sorts of fronts it's just your best tactic just because it's your best tactic doesn't mean it will always work but you don't have a better tactic so you know one of the things we constantly told my daughter was not to ever use her illness as an excuse mostly because it would blur the lines between her and the illness you don't ever want to do that you know so we wanted her to be as responsible as she could be given what she had to endure it was very difficult thing to figure out if you have a kid that's sick like that it's like well they don't want to get up to go to school well you probably wouldn't want to get up either if you were like in pain lots of pain what do you do say you stay in bed or do you say get the hell up if you can and and get out because the alternative is worse and so you know we always pushed her and encouraged her to bear as much as she could and I would say that was the right strategy because she's she did manage to have as much of a life as she could have under that condition stances and she's come through all this with her character intact so which i think is really quite beyond belief to me but it still seems to be the case so it isn't that shouldering your suffering and and bearing the responsibility for your life is a panacea because we're vulnerable to all sorts of things that happen to us that are in some sense ultimately uncontrollable and that's why people die right but it doesn't matter in the face of that there still isn't a better strategy [Music] [Applause]

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Length: 8min 1sec (481 seconds)

Published: Mon Jul 16 2018