John MacArthur "Expository Leadership"

well you asked me to ask you these questions a few days ago and I asked you to ask me some questions but I didn't miss true I didn't give them to you and this is we had a conversation when we were stuck in traffic a few weeks ago yes and I I like to ask you questions I can't think of someone I would rather ask questions to so I've practiced asking you questions and I'm going to try to ask some of those same questions but what I'm most reminded of right now is this is my ordination in Reverse not I don't think this is vengeance but I'm just reminiscent of a question you asked me yes I did ask you some questions at your ordination yeah yeah I've got tied into a pretzel on that deal and one of them was Austin what's your first priority when you go to a church and I tried eight different things I literally got there things you got me there okay and you said it was training men yeah and that's your passion and that's what this place is about lots of seminaries have degrees in Christian education and leadership this place is riveted on training meant to preach was that your tell us how that developed and was that your plan when you started the seminary yeah it was definitely the plan in starting the seminary because it is the priority responsibility for anybody called into the ministry we have one great task and that is to disseminate the revelation of God in Scripture to communicate that to people through every means possible that is what spiritual leadership comes down to it's not about administration it's not about organization it's not about structure it's not about methodology it's it's it's it's all about the communication of the message that God has placed in the contents of Holy Scripture and disseminating that to the people to the extent that we are given the opportunity to do that so being skilled in doing that is the essence of what it means to be called into the ministry whether you are a an apostle a prophet an evangelist or teaching pastor historically the same responsibility is borne by you if you're if you're in a New Testament apostles to the unbelieving world if you're a New Testament prophet you spoke to the church the message of God if you're an evangelist you take the Word of God to the unconverted if you're a pastor teacher you take it to the church believing people but but the content of what we do never ever changes it never goes beyond Scripture and it must reach the fullness of Scripture Paula defines the the ministry as as declaring the whole Council of God relentlessly publicly from house to house it's always the same thing so when you talk about a seminary you're talking about preparing people to be able to to interpret the Word of God and effectively communicate that at every level on a personal or on a public basis and when you talk about making this seminary a seminary about exposition training meant to do that work it's because of what you believe about the relationship between preaching and leadership and leadership as preaching right first of all I'm not talking about some kind of method here expository preaching Kent I don't think reduce be reduced to some mandated approach I don't think there's any biblical approach that we have to stick with like three points in a poem for illustration I think there there are a myriad of ways to communicate the message but there's only one way to get the message and and so what we would endeavor to teach you here is to enable you to interpret the scripture so that hermeneutics theology exposition the languages all of those things aid you in interpretation that's the core of what we want to train you do that's what matters the homiletic part of it can be all over the place in fact if you are if you are thoughtful about preaching you will not get stuck in one methodology especially if you're going to stay in the same place a long time there needs to be there needs to be a lot of by a and how you do them the methodological kind of preaching so that so you're not predictable but what can't change is the science of it the art of it can shift and move and it should and if you for example were to approach a passage of Scripture like I have say a passage in Romans chapter eight that I have preached on maybe fifty times no two of those fifty times would have been exactly the same homiletically well they would have been exactly the same interpretive ly so what we want to do is to help you to in to interpret to have the tools to interpret Scripture now you asked the question about leadership essentially the dominant feature of your spiritual leadership will be your preaching it will be your preaching that is that is how you lead the people of God that's how you Shepherd the people of God by preaching the Word of God teaching the Word of God whether it's publicly or from house to house that's the heartbeat of what you do but the most powerful influence you will have as a leader it will be your preaching that that's what moves the church that's what compels the church which then is to say that you better have more than information underlying all your information must be conviction deep and profound conviction that drives a passion and drives enthusiasm so that that becomes contagious and then you'll be surrounded with people who catch the fire of that conviction and that rises initially out of your view of Holy Scripture if you have a if you have a strong view of Scripture if you see scripture for what it is the word of the Living God if you if you catch the the Wonder and the glory of Scripture it should light a fire in your heart and that's where your convictions come from and conviction is what sets the information on fire and what creates the passion that attracts people of conviction to around you and multiply your effectiveness that's what leadership that's where leadership really starts and thinking about younger men beginning in the ministry and needing we all no one's going to accuse you of lacking conviction I'm sure of it how do you develop there how do you get to that place where you develop and grow and have deep roots on that conviction I think first of all it first of all it comes I mean you're looking at a humanly it comes from your view of Scripture as I said you if you're equivocating on the authority of Scripture you're never going to really have conviction or else you're gonna you're going to end up playing a game or being an actor or something so it comes from your view of Scripture and then it comes from your knowledge of Scripture I I probably have more conviction now that I've ever had and I've always had a lot because I always had a high view of Scripture I would always defend the Word of God til the dying day I never have equivocated on Scripture it was 40 years ago I stood before the faculty of fuller seminary and said you have a problem because you do not believe the Word of God I said that to the faculty and several board members and the president at the seminary you are in trouble because you have the wrong view of Holy Scripture you equivocate on the doctrine of inspiration and inerrancy and you are in profound trouble John given the context of that moment you were a relatively young man then yeah and I was invited to come by board members to talk to the administration the faculty in the board because they were concerned that that the people when they went to fuller to a board meeting were telling them how biblical they were and then when they went back into the public where they live they were hearing how liberal they were so they wanted some people to come in so they invited well they invited in hey who was with African mission a missionary who said he would never take a Fuller graduate on the mission field even if he was a medical doctor because they equivocated so much on Scripture we're talking 40 years ago I said you know you guys think you can play this game acting evangelical and really you know bending - the higher critics and I said you like the guy in the Civil War with a blue coat and a grey pants you're going to get shot by both sides so this is not this is not going to work that's exactly what I said this is not going to work and and then they had one other guys at theologian who who took a little bit of a kind of a mediating position but yeah that so I'm only using that as an illustration I think that's why fuller fell into the charismatic camp and has largely been taken over by the charismatic because they had a weak view of Scripture and so they're left with defining everything experientially and you go to the extreme with that but but I think it starts there and then it is aided and abetted by your intense study of the Word of God and the Word of God becomes so powerful so clear so comprehensive so consistent and that's the thing that I would say you know Here I am this week again all day yesterday studying maybe six eight hours in passages of the scripture that I'm very familiar with I can barely stay in my chair because I'm so overwhelmed with the supernatural character of Scripture based upon this intense effort over 50 years of looking into this book and it just can the convictions continue to mount so you know the next book that's going to come out is going to be more volatile than the last one that came out that was a polemic approach because of the passion even runs greater so I think it comes from a view of Scripture and then from continual study of Scripture the intense study of Scripture in which the supernatural character of Scripture becomes more and more and more and more obvious and and it just it ignites it ignites a fire in my heart and so that in a sense that relentless commitment of Scripture shows up not only in your preaching but as ala Moeller says in his book on leading with conviction which you need all to read leading with conviction it's a new book on leadership best thing that's ever been written on leadership ever really gets it fully understands it it's like he's been running around in my brain because I you know if I could have I would have said everything he said it's really good but but what he essentially says is that effective leaders lead with conviction can and for us that conviction is founded on revelation and conviction is is contagious it's also powerful because it carries the truth with it so yeah that that's what that's what drives my my sense of a mission and and of course that's a big story and then that's a whole redemptive story that you're you're fitting into so it's it's much bigger than you the vision is bigger than you the mission is bigger than you because the truth transcends you which is why preaching is not about the packaging first it's about precision first it's about a true and accurate interpretation and then it's about the clarity of communication of that true and accurate interpretation clarity is what the issue is you know it's very easy to be hard to understand it only requires that you not know what you're talking about and if you don't know what you're talking about nobody else will either it's very hard to be crystal clear because in order to be crystal clear you have to have mastered the text if it's clear when people say to me that was very clear they don't understand that that wasn't clear the first time they read it that was clear because of the way I explained it and the reason it became clear to them was that it was clear to me and clarity is what you're after clarity and accuracy precision John you've talked to me about this before related to that kind of precision and being clear and being even concise and able to get the point across so well to so many different kinds of people and Sunday's you're preaching a seminary professors and brand-new Christians and people from the neighborhood and everything else and one thing that we see in your preaching is that you can speak on all of these subjects because you speak within the well of what you know and what you've grown in you've talked about those boundaries before talk to the guys about what you see in some preachers today that don't have those boundaries and how they speak and what you're speaking from when you speak you with me sure yeah I understand exactly what you're saying look teaching you exegesis it's only one part of this training teaching you Greek and Hebrew and you know exegesis and hermeneutics that's only one part of it you need to be taught theology you need to be taught systematic theology that is the product of exegesis historic accurate systematic theology that is that is the product of centuries and centuries of careful thoughtful exegesis of Holy Scripture you need to be taught that and that's what we're teaching you we're not inventing a theology we're not teaching you some kind of modern theology we haven't come up with this on our own we're teaching you classic tried proven tested theology and and when I was talking to Austin about this this is this is what what I'm telling you is so very important when you have a consistent and accurate theology it becomes the fence the wall around your preaching because I would venture to say that if I got up in an hour sermon I could probably read my notes in in 10 to 15 minutes so what what is the other 45 minutes what is that that is essentially extemporaneous for me the notes that I have are simply road signs that just keep me on the path it's like a GPS written by my own hand that keeps me tracking in the direction that I need to go but 80 to 80 percent at least of the things I say aren't even in those notes so what protects me from going out of bounds what protects me from going out of bounds is the theology that is deeply embedded in my heart I know what not to say I don't say things that are irresponsible I don't it is your theology that frames the freedom of your preaching and sometimes you listen to preachers well all you know if you listen to the typical run of preachers on television and many of them on radio they say outrageous things doctrinally because they have no theology they make it up as they go and so it's it's critical that you be trained in theology so that the freedoms that you enjoy in the in the in the passionate experience of preaching are controlled by the convictions that have been firmly established in your own mind in your own heart and then you're free to let that go within the framework of your study because there's certain protection that that you have you have boundaries and you know what those boundaries are you're not going to you're not going to say what Benny Hinn said there are nine members of the Trinity you would never say that because you know that's not true but but he would say Jesus told him to tell you that mmm so that that's an extreme illustration but that's the you know when you think about why the seminary curriculum is what it is you from what I've said this morning you begin to see the importance of these two aspects absolutely in thinking about that issue those those boundaries one thing guys may not know about you is you listen to a lot of preaching and not just mostly you hear yourself preaching because you're preaching all the time but you in other times listen to other people preach more than I think guys would anticipate you have an iPod that's gorged with preaching and so once you talk a little bit about the ugly the bad and the good that you here maybe tendencies you see in young guys today who are preaching and some of the bad stuff I know you have a terrible time with some of the stuff you hear on TBN but let me hear about the bad the ugly and the good in whatever order you prefer well that's such a broad question let's talk about the ugly ugly is your reverence treating scripture in a cavalier foolish superficial silly a way ugly is I'm looking for truth and I'm looking for Jesus but you're in the way this is too much of you it's about you too much theater too much me too much I be beware of preachers who are the heroes of all their own stories flee from them when you become the hero of all your own stories you're done you are never the hero of your stories if you're going to use stories about people don't make you the hero that's artificial that's a crutch that's what people do when they haven't got anything biblical to say they talk about themselves the worst preacher at that is Joyce Meyer by the way brightening talks about herself all time but many preachers do that that that's unacceptable to me and then all the obvious things misinterpreting of scripture failure to to draw out of scripture what just a little bit of effort would yield that is just barely below the surface but rich and helpful and meaningful and you know anything you would know what all the bad things are but that kind of thing but the thing you see so much of is this dominant sort of proud self promoting personality this sort of personal spiritual heroism and the the utter lack of really dealing with the text I would go beyond that I would say and I and you may have heard me say this some of you your sermon your handling of the word of God should have nothing to do with the time or the place in which you gave that message in other words if you can't get your sermon out of your zip code and out of your month you better get rid of that sermon if it doesn't try and send anytime and anyplace then it can't be a true interpretation of Scripture I'm talking about the interpretation not necessarily how you apply that so you know this idea that you've got to exegete the culture you got to interpret the times you got you got to know the pop culture you got to know what's going on in the world around you you've got to speak to that you've got to bring the Bible out of its ancient context and put it in a modern context look that that that's a terrible terrible terrible thing to do to the Word of God it transcends everything it transcends every I'll give you a little illustration this guy came to visit me a few months ago and he had a little red box about maybe three inches square little box like a cube and he said I want you to see this and and I said wow this is what is this he said the inside is a chip you plug a little chip in a little tiny chip and it has 32 hours of preaching 32 hours of preaching and he said he reminded me that we lost the Vietnam War you remember we lost that so all of Vietnam is communist churches don't have the opportunity to be free they're so Christian people meet in rice paddies and little shacks all around Vietnam he said at the last count I think he said there are 35,000 groups in Vietnam who meet together and listen to this little red box and there's 32 hours of the teaching of the word of God and I said well what's on it he said you're on it he said we have four vietnamese translators going all the time to keep downloading more of these 32 hours to go into this little box listen for 32 hours they bring back the chip to a Center they get another chip to replace that chip and we thought they'd take a month to go through it they're going through them in a week John MacArthur from Southern California preaching in a rice paddy in Vietnam wha-what does that tell you about the content of the message what what does that tell you that that that's how you have to preach you you can't you don't want to get caught in this contemporary trap of talking to some niche audience or you will beYOU will paint yourself into the corner of obsolescence you'll be the you know you're going to be living and preaching guys in a time when everything you say is going to be recorded and you're either going to be timeless or you're going to be obsolete if ever it was true that he being dead yet speaks it's true now think about it that's a frightening thing I mean I do realize that for all the generations after I'm dead they're all going to think that I was born 60 years old because since the iPhone came in there are a million pictures of me over the age of 60 and none before every time I meet somebody from somewhere else smile I'm on your iPhone so yet but it's it's also yeah I mean you're aging nicely though oh thank you but what I'm saying is it's the same thing with your your ministry your sermons if ever the bar has been raised it has been raised but if ever the opportunity has been raised it's been raised giving illustration last month grace to you 3.3 million sermons were downloaded 3.3 million sermons from for one month in the month of June downloads were drawn into 204 countries of the world you talk about fulfilling the Great Commission how wonderful is that I don't think about that I don't think about how can I be you know popular in Vietnam I don't know anything about that's the first I ever heard of they do that on their own those kinds of things but I but I'm just saying it's a great reminder of if you handle the Word of God in and of itself it's transcendent it just it just goes beyond look at Grace Church on a Sunday morning we look like Los Angeles yeah we are so epically mixed that I can't even pronounce the names of the new members every month is that not is that not the way it should be since the Lord is drawing his church from every tongue tribe people a nation so I just those are the things that concern me in this contemporary situation sound theology hard work of exposition making sure that your message is the message of the Word of God that transcends your moment in time it transcends your location and it can it can it can be anywhere in the planet and and it can be used by God it's so helpful and I think that description brings to mind so much modern preaching and what's not the accent the accents on the now and not on the timeless truth and you have taught us that by example what you're now saying the size this other point yeah are you going to emphasize this other point is it's one thing to be proud it's another thing to be outrageously proud and not know it or not think it matters that there is there are some situations in which the pride is so palpable that you can't even get past it and and and yet they see it as as some kind of a style point plus you know one thing that the true study of the Word of God should do in your life is to continually humble humble you humble the preacher humble the preacher and where you see this blatant self promoting pride which has captured this sort of Rockstar preacher genre today it betrays it betrays a complete indifference to the true work of the Spirit through the word and and therefore you know that they're not really faithful to doing to be doing what they should be doing and what they're saying is you know I care about these people I care about the context and the culture and it's not that you don't care about your audience it's that you are asking the text questions that matter to your audience I think you care more for your audience than they do well I think God cares more about the audience than I do that's right and I think God has determined the way that he will reach the audience look I I can only I can only function within the purposes of God I can only function within his divine plan I can only function within his purposes for his elect I can only I can only be a servant to his eternal purposes I can only be an instrument by which he calls those whom he chose before the foundation of the world so so the only question I ask is what is God asking of me so that I can be an instrument for him to fulfill his purpose it's Sunday morning an illustration Sunday morning I came thinking you know this is really going to be dull this is going to be our Sunday night I mean this is going to be dull this is not going to be very interesting because I'm going to talk about the Messiah I'm going to talk about the concept of Messiah Messiah comes from a verb that means to smear oil on and I'm going to talk about that and I go through the scripture and I did that Sunday night and somebody came up to me afterwards Andrew Gutierrez and said I just want you to know because I was feeling like you know this is really academic this should be in a seminary class I was just kind of plowing through verses and reading stuff here and there to show you know what Messiah meant there were many messiahs many anointed people Kings prophets priests in the Old Testament showed how that worked and blah blah and then Andrew comes out and says I just want you to know that two people were so moved by the study of Messiah tonight they came and gave their lives to Christ well the Lord drew two people two of his own elect in a pedantic study on the concept of the of the word Messiah to himself I mean I've seen this my whole life sometimes when I think I may have you know preached the most provocative penetrating captivating message nothing happens and in in the most pedantic dull kinds of context the Lord does his work so I think you've got to understand that that's where your theology is so very very important but I'm never I'm never trying to do anything but serve the purposes of God and I know based on what you were asking me this is the answer that he does his work through his word he does it through his his word do I love the people before me yes does God love those people yes he loves them everlastingly and he will draw them by that love to himself through the means of his word and you downplay your homiletics and you just now you thought that was a data dump but that I that sermon is a great example of what you're talking about earlier you preach with variety your sermons don't all sound the same and that one had I think a very riveting the Sunday night sermon conclusion and introduction because you framed it in a particular way it was a very technical sermon but you framed it in a way that was very personal and you even set that up Sunday morning and I think that really helped people get to where you were going what how does that happen you're not always alliterated you do different things that you preach with a lot of variety honestly and is that intentional or is that just the way God wired you how's that work how'd you come up with the Andrew thing the Andrew the Andrew Messiah question this is what he was saying when he said the word Messiah that's how you built Sunday night sermon around well Andrews statement yeah I started Sunday night if you weren't there on what we render says we have found the Messiah we found the Messiah nobody explained that I mean if if Andrew runs over to his brother and says we found the Messiah you know you might say well what does that mean well what do you mean Messiah what does that word mean what are you talking about Peter didn't ask that and he didn't explain that because they had a fully fully comprehended concept of Messiah that is a huge issue we have found the Messiah so Sunday night I said okay let's talk about what the Messiah is I I can't went back to John 1:41 we have found the Messiah what does that mean that that's a discovery that you need to make yeah you need to make that discovery what does it mean we found the Messiah so I don't know how that were I don't know why I do that I don't know why I do it the way I do it I do know this I do know this I never do it the second time right whatever whatever comes up at the first shot is what I go with 999 times out of a thousand yeah and and it I think and maybe this gets to what what you were going to ask I always ask questions of the text I my approach to the to the preparation is to ask questions of the text it starts with what does this say what what is this saying here I mean so that means I go into the original language if I need to I find out what what is this saying what what is the what is the actual message here in the original text what is it saying and then I ask what does it mean what are what does this word mean what does this phrase mean and and then the questions begin to accumulate okay all right now that we know that that means that what is the implication here or what are other scriptures that relate to this or where would I go to find more information about this how can I enrich this and what would be the practical implication of this and if this is the practical implication then what is that going to generate what and I just pound away with questions upon questions upon questions till I've exhausted my questions and what comes out of that is a sermon that is all the answers that I've come up with essentially it's just a string of answers building on each other and then and then when I'm done preaching I go down in the front and the people all come up and ask me the questions that I didn't answer that's how it works every Sunday night a guy comes up it's the first thing he says is well if you say that then what about this passage and he's just taking me to the next step in my normal process that really effective interpretation of Scripture is having exhausted all the obvious questions about that text you just keep asking them and asking them and asking them and pour it into that process you're thinking like the hearer I'm thinking like I'm us look I am hearing that text speak to me I'm no different than the guy in the pew I'm no different than the plumber in the second row I want to know what this thing is saying and I want to understand its implications in my own mind I want to think I want to think like he thinks I want to make sure that I cover the questions that the person in the pew is going to ask of that passage I don't know if that yeah it's it's not that you're you don't care about application it's that your desire to apply is a transcendent application I don't use many people's questions about the tax right I don't I don't feel compelled to go beyond the scripture itself because I think the scripture itself rightly understood has powerful implications and once people are hit with those implications application is the work of the Holy Spirit so I don't think I need to give to tell them for things to do this afternoon for example and this brings up another issue I was listening to an hour-long message by Andy Stanley Andy Stanley who probably has the second biggest Church in America next to Joel Osteen uh and and he was talking about you know he's got a PowerPoint thing you know and I told you about that like smoking a cigar the only one who enjoys it someone doing it the PowerPoint thing so you know he's doing this PowerPoint it's cool communication you know and he's doing his thing and he's saying you know this is how you should do this is what you should do is it's not about the Bible it's just about you know becoming the person let's see becoming the person the person you would like to like you would like you to be you know one of those kind of sort of clever things and he's saying you know get out of debt if you want to be a guy that girls want be this do this try this do this don't do this don't sleep together you know get out of debt postpone the physical Andy's goal giving through all going through a whole litany of things and you know they're laughing and and all the responses are you know kind of superficial and I'm listening to this and I'm saying why why why why would I do that well if I want to sleep with this girl why would I sleep with her you know if I if I want to get involved physically what why not why should I get out of debt if I want to get a new BMW I'll go into debt why because you tell me that it's completely impotent unless there is a driving internal motivation on the part of the person listening to be obedient to this truth and where is that come from that doesn't come from cleverness that doesn't come from the environment that you're in that doesn't come from the music that comes internally from the love of Christ that is because you love Christ because you have such a vision of Christ such a revelation of Christ brought home to you by the preaching of the word of God you have been so caught up in the wonder of who Jesus Christ is and you love him and didn't he said if you love me you will do what you will keep my Commandments so where do these people get this deep affection in that environment where do they get that I just think I just think you're talking and what you say could be accurate it could be true it could be beneficial somebody might say yeah you know I think I'll do that you know for the next 12 hours but where's the motivation that that's what is missing in this contemporary model of people giving people advice even biblical advice because they haven't shepherded their people into a profound love for Christ that longs to honor him you know I think I think Piper for years has has talked one step above that or one step beyond that in desiring God but it needs to go past that you can't get stuck at desiring God because how do you do that how do you desire God how do you make him your highest joy how do you get there I think you've got to go all the way to Christ and I think you you have to you to desire to honor Christ you have to have such a love for Christ otherwise trying to make yourself desire God becomes kind of an emotional thing you've got to go past that you've got to come to Christ and you know that's why certainly for me the focus of ministry continues to be Christ and I can't get past him I just can't Here I am after going through Matthew Mark Luke and John 25 years and now I start poking around asking people what should I do now that I'm done I should die I should be dead I should go to heaven I'm still here what do I do and people say do John do John people saying do the gospel John why why why aren't they saying to me preach Colossians why aren't they saying preach 1st Thessalonians let's learn about the rapture of the church because who are they enamored with who do they love they love Christ this is what is missing and I would encourage you when you do go out and start to preach preach Christ you know start in a gospel you couldn't do better than to start with the Gospel of John because it's written that people might believe that he is the Christ the Son of God and believing have life in his name and you need to evangelize whoever you're talking to first of all right and that's the best that's the greatest polemic so I just think there's so much preaching that is funny clever it may be insightful may be intense but there's not enough going on in the ministry there to develop in the hearts of people a true love for Christ it's not a Christ exalting ministry where the people have a passion for him and unless that's a deep-seated conviction in the heart obedience then is dependent on emotion and then so they crank up the emotional pitch of everything they crank up the music they crank up everything to try to raise people's emotional level to do what really can't be done on an emotional level so it can't be sustained and that's what we're grateful for is your example in that and a sustained look at the scriptures over these years and we see the fruit of that in this church in people who genuinely love and want to honor Christ and we're grateful for your leadership and example in that I think you pretty much took over this Q&A I'm not sure I was necessary here you answered every question I could have anticipated it more I think it'd be helpful for the guys if you uh if you prayed for them and then we can let them go thank you thanks John for your time really really no thank you very much father we look we understand Lord what you've called us to is a great great responsibility we understand that it's an equally great privilege we understand that that the privilege has no parallel in the world that you know just being a believer makes us greater than John the Baptist think of being a preacher of the gospel we understand the privilege we also have to understand the parallel accountability the seriousness of the calling to which we've been called we can do it with joy but not with superficiality we can do it with with with true joy we can relish it we can love it it can fill our hearts with delight but at the same time we can't we can't treat it with a trivial approach and we just thank you Lord that you've raised up the master seminary in this great faculty to prepare these men to to enter in this privilege responsibility and to do it with joy and to do it with power and effectiveness we just pray that out of this wonderful group of men here you'll raise a generation of world impacting preachers because they have the potential to touch the entire world now and may it be it may it be that they are able to do that and be faithful that may their conviction be matched by their courage may their courage be matched by their competence may their competence be matched by their communication and may their communication be matched by their continuity give them in during long ministries marked by character marked by character faithful character and when the story is finally done and record is written may it be well done good and faithful servant and pray that for each man here for your glory in Christ's name Amen

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Published: Tue Dec 04 2012