Joe Rogan - Is Mormonism a Cult?

the Joe Rogan experience series or something along those lines see that's an interesting yeah I'm absolutely convinced most of these guys believe what they say maybe they're bullshitters at the start or they only partially believe but they they repeat their rhetoric their followers give them positive reinforcement they come to believe it and you know David Koresh he was you know I right down the barrel he totally believes willing to die for his beliefs and he also was having sex with everybody yes it's so common yeah and his ex-girlfriend grew up and one of these sort of religious cults and it was the same deal the head guy was having sex with all the women and you know he would have sex with different people's wives and everybody had to let him yeah say the fundamentalist Mormons what's his name that's in jail no Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jefferies Jim Jefferies my friend the comedian but anyway yeah that's you know that's how it gets corrupted I don't know if you ever read John Jon Krakauer's book under the banner of heaven this is the guy the mountain climber that did into thin air and and and the one about the Alaskan kid anyway he wrote this book called under the banner of asking kid who died yes yeah when they made that movie about moving into the into the wild yeah so he did into the wild into thin air Krakauer was a great writer so this book he starts to investigate the murder of this polygamous family in Utah just as a journalist he's gonna do a story for The New Yorker or something and then he realizes this takes them down the path of this incredible world of polygamy which still goes on now legally it's not legal but they marry one and then the others are so-called Sister Wives and they're just there and they live on these in these border towns along the border between Colorado and Utah like Colorado City and I've been to some of these places it's like it's like in a Twilight Zone episode you go into this town gas station or whatever it's like oh it feels kind of weird here and so Krakauer discovered this whole world of you know going all the way back to the founding of the religion and what's the dosage Smith and you know he gets this revelation from God that well basically he's banging the woman down the street he's married and so he gets this revelation from God and Krakauer has this this scenario in the book where he tells his wife now honey I've been talking to God and you're not gonna believe this but he says I have to hit marry this you know so-and-so down the street she's like oh yeah well I I have to start seeing other guy no no God was very specific about this is just for the guys and and how do I know you talked to go well my buddies they were there they heard it also and this is the the first page of The Book of Mormon is an affidavit these are the people that heard the revelation and there they all sign it and it's like okay so this is how it started when Joseph Smith started it all off in 1820 he's only 14 yes it's made me a 14 year old is not a liar it's perfect they just learn how to live it's anything like that they're bad people when you're 14 years old you are a developing entity right you know your frontal lobes not fully formed you don't really know what you did practicing sentences you know what you're doing trying to exert your influence and this guy was just very creative he was and he got chased out of and palmira in New York is where he started and then he moved to Missouri when basically he was in trouble with the law and and other issues and then he got in trouble there and he was killed and and usually this ends a cult when the leader dies now there's a there's a kind of a there's a critical period if you get a new dynamic leader to take over like in the case of Scientology David Miscavige took over after l ron Hubbard passed over to the other side and he managed to keep it going the same thing with bring him young it was bring him young that turned this little cult into a world religion and they just went further west to Utah to get away from federal authorities now how much of a hit is Scientology taking from that Leah Remini say I don't you know I've not seen any data like on memberships and they're all secret about that anyway it's my dietary data so who knows I can't imagine they could survive well they could survive because I have tons of money through real estate investments but I can't imagine their numbers or it could be doing anything but shrinking yeah between the Lawrence Wright book then the HBO documentary three with a feature just creepy stuff crazy yeah and your dialog with with alia was incredible and she's just a hero amongst you know secularists that you fight against cults yeah that's really that's really the only the best way to do it not top-down laws against cults unless they're doing something obviously illegal but just bottom-up members speaking out I had David Miscavige's dad on as well right that was that was sad yeah that was sack because that fella I was talking to a guy who felt like he wasted his life right and lost his son right and he brought his son into Scientology the whole thing was that was really disturbing yep it's just it's just very strange that the United States government is allowing those people to be tax exempt I mean just go and look at what they're proposing and what they believe and the thetans and the frozen's entities that were dropped into the volcano all the crazy show the story about their you know this is what really worried me about the IRS I mean I've always thought you know I don't fear hell or the devil but I fear the IRS you know I take I'm pretty careful about that but they're the only major organization I've ever seen that beat the IRS and they did it through thousands of lawsuits I think they sued him like 3,500 times or something well they and every single member that they could get to do it right sue them as well they were getting all their members to sue it they were suing I think that was the story isn't that how it worked yeah and eventually the IRS said okay if I get your tax exempt witness I mean if they're letting the Mormons do it and why wouldn't they let the scientists do it sir I really don't think any religion should know that's ridiculous I mean in 2018 with what we know about reality the fact that we let some old voodoo superstitious nonsense we're a not have to pay taxes and exert extreme power politically socially right economically it's crazy well so and they like preachers get it they could they can live in a house tax-free they have to pay property tax on the on the home that they own you know so there's a lot of these side benefits also that you don't normally hear about so gross so the Freedom From Religion Foundation and some of these other organizations ACLU you know trying to combat some of this but but legally how do you distinguish that from say a nonprofit like Doctors Without Borders or one of these other groups the Clinton Foundation yeah there was some statistic recently in the Clinton Foundation how much money in 19 2014 they actually donate to charity oh Christ it was like six percent something like extremely low the rest of it what payroll yeah mostly expenses private that's what their scams yeah all these things are scams yeah it's just yeah it might be good to just clean house and and just no one gets nonprofit status or tax-free status yeah I'm not sure just well I mean I feel like there is room in the world for compassionate charities that are actual charities yeah really legitimate there's room in the world for them and I think that they should have tax-exempt status but I think we should be really stringent right you know about what we accept yeah well the Supreme Court then they have a problem is where do you draw the line right you know do you you know because somebody says well I have a goofy belief the Janes have some weird beliefs or something but you know but they're but they're man in the soup kitchens they're helping the poor and there's no corruption right so what's the difference we name the Scientologists to say hey you know we have our own religious belief set to use sound goofy but you know to us they're true what's the difference well the Mormons are fascinating to me because they do seem goofy when you look at the idea that Joseph Smith who was a fourteen year old found golden tablets that contained a lost work of Jesus and only he could read them because he had a magic seer stone right and then when the the local townspeople came to see well where are these stones oh the angels came and took them away because they did not believe like it's so preposterous but Mormons are really nice people totally nice they are the that's cult yeah they're the sweetest nicest well I think they've made the transition from cult to religion to a religious sect yes and most most Christians no longer consider them a cult some evangelicals do because they're pretty far out but most mainstream Christians say yeah yeah other Christians I mean they accept Jesus as their Savior technically that gets you in the club they just got to let all that Joseph Smith stuff go yeah they're the way they treat people's Fant I mean yeah I'm not a big fan of them going to these poor countries and proselytizing and you know getting these vulnerable people to become apart but I think the way they deal with community yeah and the way they deal with each other it's like over it's a very warm and friendly and family environment and most of the Mormons that I've met that are practicing have been very nice people yeah and they're and they're serious about their tithing and the ten percent I mean they they have strict rules about this like capital gains its equivalent companies so if you sell your house and make a profit you got to get 10% of that to church not just your income they asked your paycheck yeah and they're pretty pretty strict about that and the money as far as I know mostly goes for good causes that really does help poor people [Applause]

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Published: Wed Jan 24 2018