Joe Rogan and Eric Weinstein Discuss IQ Tests

the gyro can experience give you an idea of where my energy comes from let's imagine that you actually believe that males and females are equally intelligent okay just a fish Aryan equivalents can I say lol then you're then what would you be you'd be fascinated as to why you don't have males and females and an intellectually depending in equal numbers in any in an in a demanding occupation so you'd start saying huh if I already assumed that males and females are equally intelligent I care about different categories how much of this is about fertility how much of this is about kin work how much about of this is about structural oppression how much of this is about path dependence you do some very careful thing in order to understand your problem and only when you'd finally understood your problem would you say okay now I have an idea how to remediate it we need a financial product that transfers money from late life to early life because the the huge burden that knocks women out of the stem pipeline might be that they have to take care of elderly parents or young kids bingo now now you're working in a totally different idiom because you've actually come up with a different idea or for example if if you make if you hard code like it's Sean Carroll I think just had a podcast in which he said something to the effect of well on the IDW has kind of been too interested in race and IQ I have never been interested in racing like you the only time I became interested in race and IQ was when I started hearing there is absolutely no variation between groups and you know in any kind of cognitive endowment well certainly there is in terms of height the ability to radiate heat melanin content of the skin the ability to absorb sunlight it doesn't pass the smell test that you could be able to say that a priori it's just it's not a scientific type statement it's something you'd have to investigate so in that situation am i interested in in some finding that says that one group is smarter and other groups are not as smart do I believe that IQ equal smartness no I don't believe i Q equals smartness do I believe that there's no cultural bias I think there is cultural bias right you know I'm definitely on record of saying there are ways in which groups that are said to fare less well in terms of IQ demonstrate actual intellectual dominance this is some rich weird area I've never cared about before the only reason that it becomes interesting to me is that suddenly we're making these incredible proclamations with certainty like you know you can't say this word or this is absolutely true and like life doesn't work like that there's no word in the English language George Carlin made this point all the time there are no bad words there's bad intent yes they're bad people well isn't it also the issue being a part of a group same or I the IDW is too interested in race and IQ I'm not I'm not who is I mean I'm really not I don't discuss that at all I understand but who is interest is discussed it before but he discussed it with someone who was studying I don't think Sam cared I think so I felt that he had Sam felt that charles murray had been railroaded yeah by him by he sam harris and then as sam came to understand what it is like to have a mob turn on you Sam said maybe I'm wrong about charles murray and then ezra klein made this really interesting point in a really unfair way against sam which was basically like hey you don't know what charles murray is he's a hybrid he's not just a social scientist he's also got an agenda right is that accurate I think so I have never read Murray's work but I don't know enough to say either but deeply polarizing I think I'll curve the whole idea about being able to recognize the differences in jetan and race and IQ it's like it's a very contentious subject both analyze well I mean look I have to admit that I don't score that well on certain tests so I have it built in total skepticism of IQ tests SAT test a CT tests any kind of test because it's an unnatural examination not intelligence it just isn't what is it it's a proxy like there are people who think oh it's a really good proxy I've never met someone who has a really a high IQ though that I deemed to be intellectually inferior yeah but I've met people who don't have very high IQs who just blow me away yes right well there's absolutely there's a type of intelligence at certain people possess particularly creative intelligence yeah there's a creative intelligent people that met might not score well on SAT test but they're capable of producing amazing stuff whether it's literature comedy whatever whatever it is movies they can make things they can do things they have a genius in their ability and that requires some intelligence what requires some immeasurable - something that you can't put on a scale well this is about you know I said to Jordan I said Jordan Peterson I said I don't think I have an IQ because the conceit you have to remember that a priori we would always have guessed that I intelligence was many different things it was a composite of like lots of different types of intelligence right the conceit around IQ is you'd think that was true but guess again there's essentially one kind of intelligence there's one scale it's a surprise oh that's really surprising tell me something of the various forms of intelligence is one of the things that you call intelligence processing yes yes processing very important okay I don't score well on processing in fact I don't think anyone in my family has ever scored well what do you mean by processing as some kind of mechanical process of how quickly and flawlessly you can encode information play with it and get it out you know like if you're a dyslexic is it but let's take spelling lots of people on Twitter say haha you misspelled here in fact it's HEA R in the case that you meant it really just shows me something about your intelligence that you can't keep track of spelling okay that's your level of [ __ ] do you happen to know how many brilliant people can't can't spell can't write well also you're not even thinking trying to get the word out and you misstep yeah but like my mind you know at some point I got sent home I think because I was asked to draw a chicken in school and I put two wings in four feet on it I'm so non-observant Mike my my handwriting my get sent home yeah something like this they sent you home I was like aberrant or you know I was making fun of the teacher because it was for well you know famously mrs. buck euro in first grade sent me out of the class because I said that the spider wasn't an insect because it had eight likes and that it she sent you out of class yeah because I was well you're correct in that case I was in the case of a chicken I wasn't but well maybe saw some weird [ __ ] Chernobyl chickens yeah man turn Chernobyl chicken chicken Kiev that's good that's comedy gold well my point my point being that if you don't have a high confidence in net normal metrics the race and IQ discussion doesn't land like so to get back to Charles mark yeah so Charles Murray it is it's hard to say he wrote the bell curve right I was either dismissed as being racist or applauded by people who you would call white nationalists who trot out his ideas as proof rent as measurable proof that certain races are superior and you know we could discuss the human the online people who trot those out all the time and they use it to form these weird groups of people that love to hear that right and that smacks of racist so this is the issue which is you have a situation in which he appeared to have a political orientation which is that he didn't want money spent in certain ways and he wanted it spent in others there there was an in political interpretation of why he wanted that which was maybe he's a closet racist then there was facts that will tend to empower people who are actually racist all right but let me pause you there sure but then there's the actual data right now in examining the actual data if you just look at the actual data is is it racist to look at the the real numbers like if you say Nigerians in particular who are incredibly industrious and some of the more successful immigrant groups they come over to America yeah also happen to be black if you wanted to look at Nigerians right in terms of like if you wanted to if you if you if all if you if you wanted to look at them particularly as a group be very difficult to be racist you'd have to say well these are superior a lot of superior intellects come from Nigeria they also tried out the Asian one right that eight like this is one of the weird things that people like to show that they're not racist right like look at shows Asians are of a superior IQ I I was Alon that one that one's puzzling same one because I think with certain people with certain males let's just go with males they look at african-americans and they see superiority in in certain ways they see superiority athletically artistically musically you look at the contributions of African Americans culturally across the board in terms of like the real that the Jimi Hendrix those Miles Davis speed of thought and creativity analytic well not just that also athletically like the the [ __ ] outliers are just so many there's so many Michael Jordan's Mike Tyson's Sugar Ray Leonard's there's so many african-american outliers who are just extraordinary or in terms of their their accomplishments right but not that many asian-americans in that regard so it's almost like they'll concede like they're not doing the things that make me jealous see I'm saying okay they're not they're not creating this insane music although there are a few right but overall they're not creating these insane athletic accomplishments that these white Americans can't keep up with right so we'll say but look their superior intellectual II so I can't be racist I'm pointing out that these Asians who I'm not jealous of because they don't do the things that I wish that I could do but then when it comes to the air can Americans you're there pointing out all the things that the African Americans can do that they can't do mm-hmm but they're saying all but they're intellectually inferior well this is proven I'm not racist I don't want this to be true but it seems to be true I say you see I'm saying it's like a way of it's a way of suppressing accomplishment right Wow like almost mitigating the impact of the the jealousy that they feel so if you think about for example first does that make sense I think so first of all I just I hate this top yeah your topic it's a weird sound but it feels greasy even touching it well but now we have to write like this I I feel like my wrong view of it is if you'd never brought this thing up we would never have had to deal with it and I no longer believe that's true because we have so much inadvertent data all right like I don't want the data on chess we have an idea of how many grandmasters there are and which groups like male-female Asian black you know various portions of Europe I don't know what that data means but I can't stop the data because it's gonna be generated even if nobody comes up with a standardized test because it's a game and it's scored and it has something to do with intellectual abilities right on the other hand I mean I'm a competitive guy and I you do comedy I do some some amount of music I can guarantee you that both of us have had our ass kicked at some point African Americans who excel in both of these areas and I don't mean you know all God's children got rhythm I mean getting out funk in a competitive situation you know looking over somebody's shoulder on the keyboard and they're thinking so quickly and in so many dimensions I can't even imagine what the hell is going on right so therefore I never had a lot of fear about it because I you know I'm in close proximity with somebody who's just kicking my ass and therefore I thought I could leave these topics alone I would never have to deal with it the way in which that they come up but you know in a way that is really unpleasant is this new thing which is that all imbalances are all structural oppression all right and which doesn't allow for trade-offs between groups like fins fins are good at some things they're not good at others nobody believes in like aunty Finnish prejudice so we don't think about it right it's just not a it's not a big issue for us now Finnish humor how many finished comedians are there no idea right well how many do you run into at the Comedy Store that's a bet it's a bad example because you're dealing with America America in American comedy and also you're also dealing with the highest level of the game it's like you know the Comedy Store is essentially like the it's like the harvard research labs of stand-up comedy yeah but some might nobody's worried about auntie Finnish behavior we're worried that were prejudiced against certain groups we're worried that we're prejudiced against Jews we're worried that were prejudiced against Mexicans against blacks we have a pretty clean idea of what bigotry we really still need to worry about right and we feel guilty about it and that's why you say it has this kind of Lube richest quality so that what are you really up to over there well why are you looking at that data set all right and what my comment is is I don't know how to stop this thing I'm not excited about it I'm not interested in it I definitely think that we have to actually think about the social implications of all these things but if your if your idea is that we're gonna stop this at the level of data and analysis I can't afford that I just can't afford that we need to have somebody who's able like for example microcephaly you've got people with smaller heads than the rest of us maybe because of the Zika virus well is it is it unethical to study what the cognitive impairment due to microcephaly is right I don't know I don't know what to do but I know that I want to have a very thoughtful conversation well how can it be how can it be unethical to study the cognitive impairment of someone who's it affect affected by a disease and that could possibly help fund research help fund preventive measures what if there's a correlation with with smaller heads and cognitive impairment you know and then what are some like let's pick mosaic Down syndrome mosaic Down syndrome doesn't have the same profile as regular Down syndrome you get much higher functioning people right I mean ultimately we're all souls and we have to figure out dignity and we have to figure out some system by which we can live with this increased level of knowledge but does examining impairment right does that really mean that it's a prejudiced like what what about an examining impairment from people who've been injured should we avoid doing that because we don't want to be able to you see what I'm saying not quite because we're talking about reality right we're talking about issues if you're if you're examining someone who contracted the Zika virus and it led to them developing a smaller head which is one of the horrible side effects of that right is examining that in some way some sort of prejudiced it should we avoid examining well if we avoid examining it we might do some damage if we examine it and publish the findings we might do dude it I mean there's a saying you might do damage to the people that are infected look or a flick if we don't begin with an idea that ultimately the issue is compassion for ourselves and others and that a lot of our genetics and our history predisposes us to bad behavior now that we're living with each other like we have to start I mean as hippie-dippie as the sound we have to start from a place of love and decency right here I certainly agree but I think that we should avoid reality well that's this is the thing right yeah so now I have this other thing which is reality is compassionate in and of itself remember when HIV was an equal opportunity disease and it just started in the gay community and it's gonna jump the fire road and it's going to be as much a heterosexual problem as it was a homosexual problem that turned out not to be true it was an ideological statement that didn't look at the differences between different kinds of epithelium and different sexual practices between gays and straights it was a it was a an activist position that started to compete with a epidemiological position or a biological position and so historic what we did is we had private expert communication and it's not always clear that you can trust your experts it's not always clear that you should start with the data what if the data says terrible things like maybe the data on people with microcephaly says something and you have got a person who's going to be judged by the size of their head which is visibly off from the rest of their body you know we we haven't taken up the challenge of our time which is okay we've got a lot more information than we want it and we have a lot more ability to analyze it and we know something about ourselves we know that we have got bigotry as part of our our makeup and we know that we're not really good at certain ways of integrating information and not you know becoming triumphalist and jerkish about it and taking victory laps as if it's a competition like my group's better than your group right so that's where we're stuck now I want to be struggling with other people or saying look I don't know what the answers are I don't think you know as I brought up before I don't think East Africans are cheating on the Boston Marathon because they've come to dominate it just because you know suddenly you had a diverse group of people replaced by a very tiny group from Ethiopia and Kenya we are we are behaving as you would expect when compassionate people who recognize that they have been bigoted and structurally oppressive encounter data that they can't handle which the science is giving us more data than we ever wanted on these things and we're not answering the challenge of our time and that's what my issue with social justice is it's not about I don't want a better planet or a more inclusive planet it's like stop crowding out the really difficult interesting open-hearted and hard-headed conversation with this dime-store nonsense about simple answers and simple simple truths because those aren't true and it's not going to work in the long term I mean I guess that's maybe the idea is we're competing with social justice for the rights to try to come up with a better more equitable future and a complaint about it isn't you guys are trying to come up with a better more equitable future it's what if you're going to make the same mistake when we said well the heterosexuals are as much at risk as the homosexual well that wasn't true we needed to devote resources to our homosexual community and we did need to get the heterosexual community interested and we had a problem and we needed to think about you know very thoughtfully we've got an epidemic that's killing people [Applause]

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Published: Fri Jul 05 2019