Joe Biden: Lying or Losing It?

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Just saw the national evening news take issue with Biden's memory of events. I think the MSM is now BiDone.

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>> I've been in and out of Afghanistan and Iraq 28 times. I've been in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan over 29 times. I've been in and out of Afghanistan and Iraq over 30 times. >> That is former Vice President Joe Biden, who the Washington Post is reporting has been telling a story during stump speeches where he seems to be mixing things up. Combining three different stories into one story that's completely fictional. And I don't think that there's ill intent here but it does appear that Joe Biden's having a difficult time remembering things. There have been other cases as of late where Joe Biden demonstrates that his memory isn't quite there. And it's actually kinda depressing to see it because I'll show you the examples in just a minute, but I wanna give you a few details before I provide the video evidence that the Washington Post is writing about. Cenk, did you wanna jump in? >> Yeah, so the numbers that he mentioned there, ohm I was there 28 times, 29, 30. It turns out that his campaign today said, okay fine, it was 21, the real number's 21. Now by the way, if you said 21, that's a lot, there's nothing wrong with 21. You went there to see how combat was going when you were a vice president, when you were a senator, etc. You don't have to make up to the 29 or 30, right? >> I don't think he did. I- >> Yes, that's what I wanna get to next. The story, you said totally fabricated, as Anna will explain the details, you'll see it's actually not totally fabricated. It became fabricated as an amalgamation of a number of different stories. >> Yeah. >> So I think that if you hear the whole story, you'll see that he does not, I agree with Ann, he does not have bad intent and then the question is, is he starting to lose it a little bit? Or did Joe Biden always fudge stuff? Was he always a little careless and telling these stories as a politician? So now let's give you the details and you make up your own mind. >> So he's been giving this account of a heroic military action since 2016. He's given a similar speech since 2016 on various occasions and one of the occasions was recently. And each time the story changes considerably and again it appears as though he has taken bits and pieces from other stories and has combine them into one story. So in the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony. Almost every detail in the story appears to be incorrect based on interviews with more than a dozen US troops, their commanders and Biden campaign officials, it appears as though the former Vice President has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story of bravery, compassion and regret that never happened. And I gotta be honest with you, even in reading the Washington Post reporting on this, it was kind of hard to keep track of what actually happened the day of the event that he's trying to share information about. So it has to do with a member of the military who's attempting to save one of his peers, and in the real story the peer unfortunately did not make it, he was trapped in the vehicle and the heroic soldier wasn't even able to retrieve the body because of the fact that his body was already on fire, melting as was recouted by the soldier. Now I'm gonna show you a few video examples of the different times that Biden tried to tell this story and how it's changed, take a look. >> Found myself in Iraq being asked by General Oriano, a four star, to pin a silver medal on a young captain. I had been asked in a forward operating base in the middle of a god forsaken nowhere in the upper Kunar Valley in Afghanistan, to pin a Silver Star on a young, coincidentally navy captain in what they call a FOB, a foreign operating base. I've pinned medals on Silver Star on soldiers up in the upper Kunar Valley. In the middle of a fire storm, the poor guys had gone through, young Navy Captain, Navy, Navy, up in the mountains in the Kunar Valley, Afghanistan. >> So he talks about this as a Vice President, he experienced this as a Vice President. However, as the Washington Post reports, Biden visited that province in 2008, as a US Senator, not as a Vice President. The service member who performed and celebrated rescue that Biden described was a 20-year-old Army specialist, not a much older Navy captain. So look, he should get the story right, all the little details. Those are little details but again, the way that he tells the story indicates that that event never happened. Bits and pieces of other events were kind of grouped together into this one fictional story. >> Yeah, and he's told a lot of different versions. In one version, a guy's Humvee's burning, he pulls him up. In another version the guy careening down a 200 foot cliff to get a soldier that's died and it brings them up anyway, etc. Now the real story is that at first the Washington Post didn't get to the Humvee story until the very end. And I thought if he made up the Humvee story too much, as I'm reading the story, I'm like, come on, man, you can't make up a story about a burning car if it doesn't exist. It turns out that story does exist. So he went in 2011 as Vice President, he went in in 2008 as a Senator. And he took a whole bunch of these stories. The only story that doesn't exist is the one about the guy careening down the mountain. But the heroic soldier who pulled his fellow soldier down after he's been shot through the jaw and the neck and saved his life is true. The guy who didn't want the medal was in the burning, the guy who tried to pull the guy out of the burning car but couldn't, that's why he didn't want the medal, he's like, I didn't get to him. And he was really broken up about it. And so the essence of the story that Biden's saying about a service member who is broken up about not wanting a medal even though it was a bronze star not a silver star, etc., is true, it's just took two stories in a real and smashed it into one story, and got all the details wrong. Now, look, if you don't know, Biden's run for president many times. And in the past, he got knocked out of one race because of plagiarism charges. Now what's interesting is that Al Gore, who was in the race with him, running against him. Heavily defended him on the plagiarism charges, and said, it wasn't true. He gave credit to the author in every other speech that we were on the stump together, that one time he didn't and so it's a really mixed record of Joe Biden telling stories. And look, and then you get into the question of, what standard do we apply? If it was the old days, Brian Williams got canned for this. Then he got rehired at late night on MSNBC, etc. But he lost a massive job in news because of this. On the other end, Trump has literally told 12,000 lies. >> He's told more than that, but the Washington Post finally started keeping track of how often he lied, and I wanna give you the details on that. So let's go to graphic six. From the beginning of his presidency until the middle of last months, Trump has uttered more than 12,000 false or misleading statements. He has continued to add to that total since then. So the number is higher, yeah. >> Yeah, so I don't know that Trump's weighed in on this, I mean tik tok, right? It depends on whether Fox and Friends covers it, but if he does, he'll probably go over the top and be like, Joe Biden can't remember anything he's a liar, are you kidding me? The one person that cannot comment on this at all is Donald Trump. Now, having gotten past that, look, I don't support Joe Biden for the democratic nomination. He's too moderate or conservative for my politics. I wanna progress it. But is this something we should be concerned about? I don't know, I got it at 50/50. I'm more worried about his mental state than I am about. Does he have bad intent, is he like a liar who likes to grandstand, no, he went to Iraq and Afghanistan 21 times, he did pin a medal. He got the details very wrong on a number of occasions, but the essence of it is true, so I wouldn't use that against him. >> Yeah, look, I think intent matters, in this case, I do not think itโ€™s the same situation as Brian Williams. I think that Brian Williams had the intent of lying. And it was a way of making- >> No, he embellish the story. >> He embellish but like embellishing it is being misleading. Itโ€™s lying to the audience about what you actually experienced and what your role was. In this case, I don't think that Biden's trying to embellish. I don't think that his intent is to lie. I genuinely think that he's having a difficult time with his memory. And this is it. An isolated incident, right? I mean, there's one video after the next. We talked earlier this week about how he was campaigning in New Hampshire, he thought he was in Vermont. How do you not know you're in New Hampshire while you're campaigning? And also this video went viral just yesterday and it features Joe Biden giving a speech and he forgets something pretty huge because he's made it a central part of his campaign. Take a look. >> They invaded another country and annexed a significant portion of it called Crimea, right? He's saying that it was President, my boss, it's his fault. >> So he forgot President Obama's name. Look, I think is actually super heart breaking. So this is not a political discussion. This is more about where he is health wise and it's really painful to watch this. >> Yeah, look, I've said, I don't know dozens of times that I that I like Joe Biden to, even though he's conservative even though that crime bill was terrible, and I don't agree with his philosophy and reaching out to Republicans. I don't think he should be the candidate. But his story of grief around his family and him recovering from it. It's just too heartbreaking to not like the guy. And he's handled it like a champ, etc. And remember Obama convinced by not to run in 2016. And there was a recent report out saying that he didn't think he should run this time. And Obama knows if they had lunch all the time. I think it was every day. So I don't know if Obama knows he's not up to it for whatever reason, but if he makes it past the primary, and this stuff gets exposed in the general- >> We're in trouble. >> No, no, no, we can't have that. But I do feel bad for Biden. I mean right now, we still have a long way to go. If Biden wins the nomination, then I'm gonna feel bad for all of us. But right now, we can't have him in. If you're in New Hampshire and you're running for President, it's New Hampshire. I mean how could you confuse it with Vermont? If it was a random thing? Hey, I wanna be on a fishing trip. I forget if we were a New Hampshire, Vermont, that's totally normal. If you're running for President, it's like, the first state, Iowa or Kansas? No, it's Iowa, it's Iowa. You can't confuse it with any other state. Iowa, New Hampshire are the two best known things in politics. And so there's an issue here, guys. There's a real issue. I feel bad about it. We're not trying to be underhanded like, we're feigning concern because we like the other candidates. No, we're actually concerned. And I do feel bad. But he's not a Republican. At the end of the day, I disagree with him strategically and substantively, but he's not a bad guy. And so it's tough to watch, and it's tough to see that right now he's leaving, and that's bad news for everybody.
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Channel: The Young Turks
Views: 115,146
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Keywords: 190829__TA01Biden, News, Politics, TYT, The Young Turks, Cenk Uygur, Progressive, TYT Network, Ana Kasparian, political establishment, John Iadarola, Joe Biden, Joe Biden story, Joe Biden war story, Joe Biden campaign, 2020, 2020 election, Barack Obama, democratic primary, Afghanistan, Navy campaign, Kunar province, Donald Trump, Obama administration, general election
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Length: 12min 42sec (762 seconds)
Published: Thu Aug 29 2019
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